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Chelsea, we've been following somewhat, and by following, I mean, we did an update on it, and I believe the Urant episode.

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The James Webb Space Telescope.

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Yeah, we've updated on it a few times.

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Yeah, so we've been following it. I think that's safe to say.

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I found an article that just came out, February 22nd, 2023.

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This is from Colorado.edu, so Colorado State University.

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Okay, no, no, not really, but okay.

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Written by Daniel Strain.

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The Webb telescope spots super old, massive galaxies that shouldn't exist.

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In a new study, an international team of astrophysicists have discovered several mysterious objects hiding in images from the James Webb Space Telescope.

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Six potential galaxies that emerged so early in the universe's history and are so massive that they should not be possible under current cosmological theory.

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What?

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Each of the candidate galaxies may have existed at the dawn of the universe roughly 500 to 700 million years after the Big Bang, or more than 13 billion years ago.

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They're also gigantic, containing almost as many stars as the modern-day Milky Way Galaxy.

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It's bananas, said Eric Nelson, co-author of the new research and assistant professor of astrophysics XEU Boulder.

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You just don't expect the early universe to be able to organize itself that quickly.

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These galaxies should not have had time to form.

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Nelson and her colleagues, including first author, Evo Labay, of the Swinburne University of Technology in Australia,

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published their results on February 22nd in the journal Nature.

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The latest finds aren't the earliest galaxies observed by the James Webb Space Telescope, which launched in December of 2021 and is the most powerful telescope ever sent into space.

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Last year, another team of scientists spotted several galaxies that likely coalesced for gas around 350 million years after the Big Bang.

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Those objects, however, were downright shrimpy compared to the new galaxies, containing many times less mass from stars.

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The researchers still need more data to confirm that these galaxies are as large and date back as far back in time as they appear.

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Their preliminary observations, however, offer a tantalizing taste of how James Webb could rewrite astronomy textbooks.

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Another possibility is that these things are a different kind of weird object, such as faint quasars, which would be just as interesting, she said.

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There's a lot of excitement going around in 2022. Nelson and her colleagues who hail from the United States, Australia, Denmark and Spain,

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formed an ad hoc team to investigate the data James Webb was sending back to Earth.

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The recent image stemmed from the telescope's cosmic evolution early release science, Sears for short survey.

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These images look deep into a patch of sky close to the Big Dipper, a relatively boring, at least at first glance, region of space.

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The Hubble Space Telescope first observed in the 90s, and that's that very famous, like, deep field view picture that Hubble did.

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Where it's just like nothing but stars, that's all you see.

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Okay, yeah, I know that.

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Yeah, it's that one where they just spotted the Hubble Space Telescope at just a blank spot in the sky.

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And, like, it's nothing but galaxies.

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They did that in the exact same spot with the James Webb.

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And this is what they found.

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They loved that spot.

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They just love that spot.

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If any spot is gonna prove them wrong, it's that spot.

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Nelson was peering at a posted stamp-sized section of one image when she spotted something strange, a few fuzzy dots of light that looked way too bright to be real.

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They were so red and so bright, Nelson said.

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We weren't expecting to see them.

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She explained that in astronomy, red lights usually equal old lights.

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The universe, Nelson said, has been expanding since the dawn of time.

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As it expands, galaxies and other celestial objects move further apart, and the light they emit stretches out.

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Think of it like the cosmic wufflet of saltwater taffy.

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The more the light stretches, the redder it looks to human instruments.

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I don't know if that analogy helped you in any way, but it certainly did not.

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The redder something is, the further away it's moving from us is at least the running theory.

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And things that are coming closer to Earth, they're gonna look more brilliant.

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The team ran calculations and discovered that their old galaxies were also huge, harboring tens to hundreds of billions of sun-sized stars worth of mass, on par with the Milky Way.

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These primordial galaxies, however, probably didn't have much in common with our own.

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The Milky Way forms about one to two new stars every year, Nelson said.

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Some of these galaxies would have to be forming hundreds of new stars a year for the entire history of the universe,

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which is just mind boggling.

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Nelson and her colleagues want to use James Webb to collect a lot more information about these mysterious objects,

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but they've seen enough already to pique their curiosity.

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For a star, calculations suggest that they shouldn't have been enough normal matter,

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the kind that makes up planets and human bodies at that time to form so many stars so quickly.

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If even one of these galaxies is real, it will push against the limits of our understanding of cosmology,

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Now, I'm gonna leave it there.

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There is more to the article if anybody wants to go take a look,

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but it is actually on our subreddit if anybody wants to take a look.

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Why this is a big deal is these galaxies shouldn't have been able to form that close to the start of the universe.

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Like they shouldn't be able to get that big the type of matter that's in them shouldn't have existed yet.

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There's basically two explanations that they can think of at this point.

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It's either that we're wrong on how long ago the Big Bang happened,

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or our fundamental understanding of how galaxies form is incorrect.

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I don't know. Smart people talk about space.

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We got it figured out.

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leaving to some interesting findings.

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Let's see if these are actually confirmed because again, they don't for sure know what these are,

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but they're pretty sure they're galaxies and they're pretty sure they don't make sense in our current model.

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So I thought that was pretty fringy and pretty cool.

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And with that, we can get into the episode.

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe,

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where we strive to inform on fringe topics, but not too well,

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lest these topics then become too popular and thus lose their status as fringe.

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We are your sufficiently informing hosts, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today we take a look at some of those species that are not those extinct,

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but have not been de-extincted species.

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Chelsea, I'll let you take it over from there like midthought.

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I do want to comment that I'm doing such an excellent job based on your opener or that,

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not the opener opener, because I don't know that much about space.

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You're doing an excellent job of galaxies.

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I like that.

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Because I know those were shocking to me.

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We don't know what those are and it defies everything I know about space.

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So back to what we're actually talking about today.

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I'm going to pick up what Taylor was saying.

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I chose to focus on a couple heavy hitters in the long extinct community,

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the large and in charge, the no way in hell there could be sightings of these long extinct creatures.

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Could there?

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These sightings are live sightings of the extinct abyss.

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They're not clones per se as per our last episode, I'm pretty sure.

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Unless I'm foreshadowing again.

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But sightings that make us think maybe they're not so extinct,

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sort of like the Psylissine or maybe I go as far as say dinosaur ghost,

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but maybe not because we already did an episode on that.

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For reasons.

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This is a different episode.

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Reasons.

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I think to start, I went with the Saber 2 Tiger.

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Hit good as anything, I guess.

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You're probably familiar with the Saber 2 Tiger.

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They were around a lot on the Flintstones, if you recall.

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I've also always been a little bit upset that they didn't just call it the Tusk Tiger.

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It could have gone by many things and most of the things,

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most of the dinosaurs I find that I do know,

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they go by much different names scientifically than the nicknames that we've all gave them.

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Oh man, I've been going through child like under one books

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for reasons that I will not be disclosing on this podcast.

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Recently.

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And yeah, like there's Brontosaurus or Brachiosaurus in those books

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and apparently it's called Diplodocus now.

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Like Mind Blown.

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Is that its actual name?

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Because I feel like growing up, we didn't actually learn their real name.

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because there was basically two competing paleontologists

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who kind of started making up dinosaurs to like one up the other.

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or are bones from different dinosaurs.

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they started to realize that some of the dinosaurs that we talk about never actually existed.

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They were just a gimmick to one up another paleontologist.

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Oh no, this is bad.

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I don't like this.

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Maybe we do a Bone Wars episode at some point.

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Yeah, I just wrote it down.

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Okay, so that's not what this episode is about.

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Savor tooth tiger.

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They existed all over the world 42 million years ago up until about 11,000 years ago.

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Wow, they had a really good role.

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One of the dinosaurs did.

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They existed for a long time.

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I don't think the saber tooth tiger is a dinosaur.

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He's not?

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No, it's a tiger.

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Oh, but he goes by something else.

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That's our nickname for him.

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Yes, but it's a mammal.

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It's a mammal.

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I thought dinosaur was just anything that existed in that time.

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No, dinosaurs and 65 billion years ago.

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So to my surprise, I learned they're not.

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They're not dinosaurs.

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That was just a surprise surprise.

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tigers that we know and love today.

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They're pretty big.

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They have the big teeth, the saber tooth, and they're big.

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So by big, I mean they hunted bisons and camels and those are big freaking animals.

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All the dinosaurs did and they usually just perform mundane household duties.

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For proto humans.

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I would actually call them slaves because I don't think they were being paid.

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This will make sense in a second.

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So the best place to start on a sighting like this is Africa.

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And I think we really need to do a dinosaurs of Africa episode because while Africa

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has all the crazy animals of the world like zebras and hippos and all the cool animals,

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giraffes, those half zebras, the quaggas, I think.

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And like Mochili and Bambi.

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lots of them.

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Dinosaurs in Africa.

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Dinosaurs alive and well in Africa.

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I'm just curious if you're for using the term dinosaur.

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Are we talking about like just anything that's old?

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Because again, we're talking about saber two tigers, which are now I'm really confused

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about what dinosaurs are.

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That one's don't really screwed us on this one.

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It really did.

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It was strictly like dinosaurs and then oh yeah, saber tooth tiger.

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That's all I know.

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So I would say that's a majority of where I know the saber tooth tiger from pretty much

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exclusively it's the saber tooth tiger incident.

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Outside of that, I don't think it really comes up a lot in life.

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Okay, so let's talk about this again.

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One cryptid and I love that this is considered a cryptid again.

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It's supposed to be an extinct animal like the Phyllisine, but then it like borders on

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cryptid because it's like, does it exist?

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Does it not exist?

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If it's declared extinct, then it is a cryptid.

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So that's where the boundary lies.

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Whether or not it's extinct.

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If you want to go back, we did an episode.

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I think it's called cryptid 101.

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It's one of our first episodes.

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I think it's okay.

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It's a good episode.

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It's a good episode.

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You're probably going to notice a difference, but it's still a good episode.

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There's effort.

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There was effort there.

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We tried so hard.

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There's effort on all of them kind of.

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So this cryptid is cited in the remote regions of the Inetti Plateau in eastern Chad, Africa.

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The natives of the area have long told of two distinct types of large cat, cat like creatures.

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or Dilali, collectively often referred to as the Inetti Tiger.

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So that's what I was just talking about.

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They have like two distinct regions that they inhabit in these areas.

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Again, I'll get into it.

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These beasts are described as being much larger than a lion or other big cat and covered in

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thick dark red or reddish brown fur, which often exhibits black or white stripes.

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Most interesting of all is that the creatures are said to sport two very long, sharp front

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fangs, which are often described as being like a walrus and claimed to be up to 16 inches

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in length.

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It sounds very much like the saber tooth cat, which is why it's in this episode.

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I narrowed it down for you.

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And indeed, when natives have been shown pictures of these creatures, they have been convinced

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that this is what they are.

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Do you think they got the pictures from the Flintstones?

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Probably.

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They're like, yeah, that's him.

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He talked to me.

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In particular, the Maturotus genus, which existed in the middle Pleistocene.

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What is it called?

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I thought I took these out because I couldn't pronounce them.

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Which existed in the middle Pleistocene.

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Far from being merely an elusive mystery creature known to the natives of the region,

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the Ineddy Tigers have been spotted by outsiders on occasion as well.

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In 1910, there is a rather dramatic account of a group of French missionaries who were

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traveling up the Emingui River, which were pounced upon by a massive cat with large,

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protruding fangs, which apparently leapt right out of the water and drugged down one of their

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party like a crocodile before submerging and vanishing.

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And this happening before the Flintstones existed?

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They have no idea.

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They got no reference point.

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I know.

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They didn't even know.

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This is why it's called this tiger because they don't know Saber II Tiger at this point.

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Were the Flintstones.

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In the same area, there is a hunter and naturalist named Marcel Harley who found a dead hippopotamus

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in 1920 by the river that exhibited deep, grevious wounds that were seemingly inflicted

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by no known predator, which he would later write about in his diary.

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Couldn't hippos do that too?

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Wouldn't hippos have like the exact same teeth?

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I don't believe hippos have the same teeth per se.

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Are hippos vegetarians?

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They are, but they'll use their teeth in self-defense.

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Yeah, I don't imagine them to be like large Saber II teeth though.

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Just type in hippoteeth and look at the photos.

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And the most concerning thing is all is the grevious wounds.

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Yeah, just type that in.

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They're terrifying.

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The most interesting fact I know about hippos are about their balls and how they don't stay

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in one place too long.

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We learned a bunch.

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This show knows way too much about hippos.

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Whoa, I did not think hippos had teeth like this.

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Yeah, they're terrifying.

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They have Saber II teeth.

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Yeah, but they point up, I guess.

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Like they would be pointing in the opposite direction than a Saber II Tiger attack.

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These are really gross and ugly teeth.

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Of course, hippos also do exist in water and could be upside down.

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So it could have been an upside down hippo.

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Sometimes when you're in water that long, you don't know right side down.

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You forget.

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Yeah, it's really hard.

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Okay, so he's writing about this in his diary.

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In 1975, the hunter Christian Linnoel.

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Sorry, can we just stay on that one for a little while?

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I want to give him a little bit more credit that probably wasn't a hippo because he was

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literally looking at a dead hippo and saying like, yeah, nothing could have done this that

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I know of.

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And there were hippo teeth like literally the other end.

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It's true.

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Yes.

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So maybe it wasn't hippo teeth.

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He didn't write about that in his diary.

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I don't think because that's the end of that thought.

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Okay.

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He wrote about it in his diary.

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So that's all I got.

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Okay.

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This was the hippo incident.

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In 1975, the hunter Christian Linnoel was with some native guys at the Inetti Plateau when

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they heard a booming spine tingling roar issue forth from the murky depths of a cave.

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The panic natives allegedly immediately identified it as one of the saber tooth creatures and

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refused to continue further.

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I mean, who would go into the cave?

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No one with any brains.

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That's for sure.

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No one who wants to write about it afterwards.

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But interesting, Linnoel would also on the same excursion find a horribly mutilated hippo

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near the river Wanja, which he believed had been killed by something with very long sphangs.

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So there's that.

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No sightings of it yet.

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Just a lot of dead hippos.

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Lots of dead hippos.

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So we know those exist for sure.

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So those are those sightings.

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Those are the hippo incidents.

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Let's explore further in Africa.

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Maybe we get some actual saber tooth sightings.

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I really thought there were saber tooth sightings.

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Like Taylor said, we can't do it too well.

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No, exactly.

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Specifically, though, so we're going to the Sahel and Sudanian belts between the Sahara

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and Central Africa.

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One of the earliest references to this type of cryptic comes from the Imatong Mountains

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in South Sudan.

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The way this one goes, dead hippo, blah, blah, blah.

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Just kidding.

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I'll tell you the real story.

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Some laborers working high in the Ekoli Hills, which are the western ranges in the Imatongs.

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We all know where that is.

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Clearing fire lines came to me with a tale of having seen a large animal bigger than a

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lion and very broad.

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Its head was large with a pointed muzzle and black mouth with long canine teeth.

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The general color was brownish with vertical yellowish white stripes on its flanks.

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It left in a long gated footprint the size and shape of that of a small boy but with

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claws.

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Small claw boy, okay.

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It's a werewolf.

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The beast was quite unknown to them and they were very scared about it.

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This sighting comes from Jackson JK, animal life in the Imatong Mountains.

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In the Bongo Massif in the Central African Republic, which is C-A-R, remember that because

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I had to refer back to that many times to see what C-A-R was in the upcoming books.

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So in the C-A-R and the Mountains of Chad, I hope you remember what that means.

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The Tiger Dimontane.

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Tiger Dimontane of these regions is described as a cat larger than a lion with red fur striped

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with cream, a short hairy tail and very large protruding teeth.

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It is nocturnal and carries its prey off to caves in the mountains.

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Mountains of the Bongo Massif claim that the Gissagram had been seen doing this in 1937

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and big game hunter Christian Lenol's tracker later described a firsthand experience of

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his behavior in the C-A-R.

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Hold on, is this the same guy?

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It is the same guy.

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Let's see if we get a better account.

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Oh he says again, because I'm pretty sure we already talked about this account, a very

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famous account.

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He convinced me they took me to a rock shelter cave where, according to them, there was a

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mountain tiger about 30 years ago.

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We were there in 1970.

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My first tracker, Dishame, affirmed that he had seen it with his father during a hunting

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expedition in these hills of Mali.

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He and his father had managed to kill a ron antelope and when they were skinning it,

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a mountain tiger emerged from the bush to seize the trophy, carrying it off without

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apparent effort in front of the both terrified and dumbfounded hunters who returned empty

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handed to the village.

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He didn't mention that in the other one.

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They needn't have been afraid as the Tiger de Montaigne apparently does not harm men,

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nor does it hunt buffaloes, preferring large antelopes.

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In fact, the Hajire people of Chazgwuri mountains say that, well it might look frightening,

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its big teeth force it to open its mouth so slowly that anyone can escape from it.

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Imagine that.

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And that's why they're extinct.

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And sorry, when they say man, they mean the species man, right?

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Like it doesn't thrive on women and children, right?

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Yes.

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Us as a species.

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Because that's generally how you refer to all of us.

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Okay.

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It would just be weird if it thrived on women.

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Yeah, that would be weird.

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No other creature does that.

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Little did we know.

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I mean there's parasites known as babies that do.

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True.

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So we're a real meat species because almost, no, I'm just kidding.

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All humans, yes, it's something.

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Every species would more than likely do that.

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The most exactly similar to the Saber II Tiger is also the water lions of Africa, which you

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may have put two and two together by this point because we did mention this one that

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was vaguely killing hippos, but we didn't know what it was.

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Also took someone out like a crocodile.

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So there's the river Saber II Tigers and there's the mountain Saber II Tigers.

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I like the picture of the water lion.

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That thing looks creepy.

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Oh, I didn't even do that.

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That's a good, hold on a second.

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They literally have it in the stance like a crocodile coming out of the water to grab

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something.

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I'm sorry.

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This needs to be on a t-shirt.

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Are you watching them with the lion head like?

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No, I'm just on the cryptid website for water lions.

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I have to send this to you.

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Okay, look at that water lion.

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Oh, that is beautiful.

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Yeah, that's nice water lion.

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Honestly, all we need is like a clock in the corner and Andrew Bozziago's face and we

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got a 2024 campaign right there.

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Okay, so we have the two type of tigers Saber II Tigers.

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Sorry, I left out a very important part of that tiger descriptor.

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The water lions like love the water for some reason and that's the only kind of deciphering

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point between the two is where they kind of dwell.

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Okay, but we're talking about fresh water, right?

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I'm pretty sure, yeah.

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Okay, because I just want to make sure that sea lions are a distinctly different thing.

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We're not talking about that.

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Yes, they are.

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So because these have also been compared to walruses in this episode, but they're not

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near oceans, I'm assuming they still dwell near the land.

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And also like there's only two blinks for water lions that pop up.

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Everything after that is all sea lions because Google apparently thinks I'm an idiot.

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What's that name of that lion that's in water?

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Okay, water lions, they dwell near the water as we were just talking about.

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And they go by up to as many as 24 different names in 16 different African nations, especially

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the Central African region, which is the C.A.R. in my notes and I just think that's bizarre.

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These cryptids as well as five unnamed versions and the stories are surprisingly consistent

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over such a large area, although the alleged color of the coat varies strangely enough.

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Their defining characteristics are their fangs and their habit of killing hippos, unlike

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the tiger de montaigne.

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Water lions do attack man and are consequently feared.

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The other ones just can't open their mouths.

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So that's the other differing factor.

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The ones in the mountains can't open their mouths.

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That's enough.

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So they're harmless.

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So between 1994 and 1995, there's two sightings, one included in this one sighting I'm about

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to tell you with.

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One man, a prospector named Dennis, super African name, claimed to have seen one swimming

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in 1962 or 1963.

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And a guide named Marcel even claimed to have almost been knocked into the river when Moro

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Ngu, ambushed him in 1985.

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That's the name of the Saber II Tiger.

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Next one was a Chiuemba man, claimed to have seen a long fanged animal in these marshes,

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where there has long been rumors of a hippo killing monster during the 1920s, but his

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description was rather unusual.

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I mean all of them have been pretty sane up until this point, so let's see where this

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goes.

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He described the Chippei Kui as rather larger than a hippopotamus, covered with shaggy hair

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and endowed with slippers instead of legs and feet.

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This seems like a completely different animal.

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This seems like the other kind of waterline that Google wants me to talk about.

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It kind of does.

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He also added that it has two large teeth that projected downwards like those of the

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Saber II Tiger, though we're dependent mostly on teeth here.

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He said that this animal could kill the hippopotamus and that he had several times seen not one,

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but two or three of these monsters playing about in shallow swamps at the edge of the

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lake Ban Guelieu.

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I may say that neither of us believed him and the passage of years has not provided

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any confirmatory evidence that might tend to make me more credulous now.

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So that was published by McCray Farqua Bailoyle from More African Mysteries, the national

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review.

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He was not the first to claim to have seen waterlines in this region.

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According to Rhodesia pioneer Joseph E Hughes, a British native commissioner claimed to have

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encountered a short tailed black swamp leopard, which wounded some of his men.

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Well that one just sounds distinctly different though.

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Yeah, it does.

476
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:35,900
So with all this confusion that I've just laid out for you here, I really thought I

477
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:41,940
did a better job of proofreading all this into a cohesive information for you.

478
00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:43,900
Let's just move out of Africa.

479
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:50,420
Clearly they're seeing saber two tigers and this all completely lends to a point of favor

480
00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:53,380
that they're still alive and well in Africa.

481
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:56,540
Some moving their jaws faster than others.

482
00:26:56,540 --> 00:27:01,460
So Mexico, there is an account from the great cryptozoologist Ivan Sanderson.

483
00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:06,940
He's so great I have not even heard of him, who claimed that in 1940 he had come into

484
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:12,300
possession of a unique skin from some sort of big cat, which natives said had been killed

485
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,540
in the area not too long before.

486
00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:20,380
The skin measured around 6 feet long and was unlike any sort of cat known to the area.

487
00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:25,380
Displaying stripes of dark and light brown, very dark hindquarters and most unique of

488
00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:29,660
all was some sort of hairy rough that grew upwards from the shoulders and over the neck

489
00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:30,660
and ears.

490
00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:35,180
Sanderson had the skin stored for future analysis, but unfortunately it was destroyed along

491
00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:38,140
with other unique skins when the building was flooded.

492
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:42,740
Based on the unique nature of the skin, Sanderson speculated that it was a new species which

493
00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:45,300
he called the Mexican roughed cat.

494
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,260
And there has been speculation since that it might have come from a surviving saber

495
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:50,260
tooth cat.

496
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:51,260
So that's Mexico.

497
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:52,260
I'm just looking.

498
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:54,900
Ivan Sanderson apparently wrote quite a bit.

499
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:56,500
He wrote on paranormal stuff too.

500
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,940
He had a book called Things and More Things.

501
00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:01,380
Abominable snowmen.

502
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:05,900
Things come to life, the story of subhuman on five continents from the early Ice Age

503
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:06,900
until today.

504
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,540
Invisible residents, the reality of underwater UFOs.

505
00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:15,460
Investigating the unexplained, more things, uninvited visitors, a biologist looks at

506
00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:17,660
UFOs and things.

507
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:20,060
So I think that's in the reverse order.

508
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:21,060
I.

509
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:22,060
Wait, sorry.

510
00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:25,860
It is a reverse order because he has things and he has more things in the first book.

511
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:27,180
I said things and more things.

512
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:30,620
I really like the titles for.

513
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,700
Like what am I going to call this book?

514
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,060
Things is perfect.

515
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:35,300
That just perfectly encapsulates.

516
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:36,300
What's this about things?

517
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:37,300
I don't know.

518
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,020
He also wrote fiction under the name Terrence Roberts.

519
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:41,780
I hate it when they do that.

520
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:43,100
They not.

521
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,900
Well at least this time he's not a military propagandist.

522
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:46,900
Yeah.

523
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:47,900
Yeah.

524
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:48,900
I'm sorry.

525
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:49,900
I haven't read the biography.

526
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:50,900
Nobody ruin it for me please.

527
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,900
We want to ruin it for ourselves.

528
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:53,900
Yes.

529
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,900
In a later episode.

530
00:28:55,900 --> 00:29:02,620
We're just up South America where the allegations of surviving sabertooths exactly parallels

531
00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:04,460
those in Africa.

532
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:09,060
The sightings generally falling into the two categories of river or mountain.

533
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:10,380
Even their names are similar.

534
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:11,380
Sorry Chelsea.

535
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:13,780
I need to do an aside really quick.

536
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:17,820
During World War II, Sanderson worked for British naval intelligence in charge of counter

537
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:20,380
espionage against the Germans in the Caribbean.

538
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:25,420
Then for British security coordination, finally finishing out the war as a press agent.

539
00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:26,420
What?

540
00:29:26,420 --> 00:29:27,420
Yes.

541
00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:31,380
He's another military press guy who got into UFOs.

542
00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:34,220
And why can't I remember that guy's name right now?

543
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:35,220
Junkheel.

544
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,180
Did he also go by the pen named Junkheel?

545
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:38,180
I don't think so.

546
00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:40,740
Oh man, this guy's got a pencil thin mustache too.

547
00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:41,740
Oh okay.

548
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:43,340
You know he's up to no good.

549
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:44,340
But I'm a fan of that.

550
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:46,500
I'm going to be honest.

551
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:51,380
I just wrote him down so we'll take a look at that in future.

552
00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:57,220
So stories of sabertooths have come out of the tropical clout forest in Peru, Colombia,

553
00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:00,340
Ecuador, and especially Venezuela.

554
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:07,900
Where the Tigre de Tero has been seen in Canema National Park in the Guayana Highlands.

555
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:14,820
There was an account in 1966 from a seaman in Paraguay who claimed to the naturalist

556
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:20,940
Peter Matheson that the locals of Colombia and Ecuador often spoke of a striped big cat

557
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:26,500
around the size of a jaguar out in the jungles that possessed outsized and very sharp protruding

558
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,500
front teeth.

559
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:34,300
Interestingly, in Paraguay there was a possible sabertooth cat shot and killed in 1975.

560
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,300
Very possible.

561
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,860
The carcass apparently had a long gait of front teeth measuring 12 inches long and when

562
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:45,660
a zoologist named Juan Acavar examined it he reportedly believed it to be a surviving

563
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:46,660
sabertooth cat.

564
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:51,340
It is unknown what happened to the specimen after that which is frustrating to say the

565
00:30:51,340 --> 00:31:06,980
least following a long legacy of supposed missing physical evidence of cryptids.

566
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:13,900
Between November through March of 1991, Kirsten Sosa, a Pemon Indian in his 50s was hunting

567
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:20,140
in the jungle about 3 days upriver on the left bank of the Carreo River.

568
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:21,140
Very specific.

569
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:26,540
The animal the size of an adult jaguar, they are really comparing it to a jaguar not a hippo

570
00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:30,980
in South America, emerged from a thicket to drink water from a pool.

571
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:36,140
It was neither a puma since it did not have a long tail nor a jaguar since it did not

572
00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:39,180
have the characteristic spots of camouflage.

573
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:43,300
He also pointed out that an important detail that strongly caught his attention, although

574
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:49,580
the feline was positioned on fairly flat ground, its front legs were higher or most robust

575
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:50,940
than the back ones.

576
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:56,220
Its color was a yellowish brown or light brown and what appeared to be two large fangs protruding

577
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:57,220
from his mouth.

578
00:31:57,220 --> 00:32:00,740
Now that is better than any sighting we had in Africa.

579
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:08,780
South America is doing a way better job but Africa does have the dinosaurs or sabertooth

580
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:12,540
tigers or potentially hippos or sea lions.

581
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:19,180
The aquatic variety of these sabertooths in South America are called water tigers.

582
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:20,180
Go big year.

583
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:26,020
Compared to the water lions, South America's water tigers seem less mythologized.

584
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:29,060
Almost every account I have described them as real animals.

585
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:35,020
Their apparent heartland is restricted to rivers of the Boianas, the Atlantic territories

586
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:40,180
of South America between the mouths of the Amazon and Morinoco, which similar creatures

587
00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:46,180
are reported from as far north as Nicaragua and Costa Rica and perhaps as far as Paraguay.

588
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:52,520
In 1962, the inhabitants of Merre Pesula in French Guayana blamed a monster called the

589
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,520
Papoke.

590
00:32:53,520 --> 00:33:00,700
When the body of a boy named Ustache, Bulgense was found scavenged more likely by known animals

591
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:02,220
in the Moroni River.

592
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:12,180
Colonel Rene Raccattle later spoke to a Rekuyane Indian named, who claimed to have seen what

593
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:16,500
he called a Maipolina in the Moroni in the same year.

594
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,340
Holy man, that's just a lot of words I don't know.

595
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,140
That is a lot of words, yeah.

596
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,620
Emma Pette described it as follows.

597
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:25,140
Hopefully this goes a bit easier.

598
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:27,980
It is in English, so there's that.

599
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:30,380
It was three meters long by one wide.

600
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:32,620
It was also about a meter thick.

601
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:34,140
I don't even know what that means.

602
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:38,820
It's four legs, all clawed, resembled the anteater's hind legs.

603
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:45,020
The head wore two eyes identical to those of the Maipori, which is the name given in

604
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:46,700
Guayana to the tap here.

605
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:52,260
The ears were drooping a stripe 10 to 15 centimeters wide and a different color from

606
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,760
that of the coat appeared on the head and the back.

607
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,460
This is a really good sighting so far.

608
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:57,620
It's very detailed.

609
00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:01,620
The mouth was armed with visible teeth, according to the description he gave me.

610
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:03,780
They would be like the teeth of a walrus.

611
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:06,100
The tail resembled that of a cow.

612
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:11,060
The chest was whitish, like the line on the back, while the rest of the body was rather

613
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:12,060
tan.

614
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:19,420
The hair as a whole was short and that is from Riccate Vrené in 1978 from this French

615
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:20,420
book.

616
00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:22,260
It was sighted from.

617
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:28,980
Those of 2020, inhabitants of Pepechton say they still sometimes see the poke poke in

618
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:30,460
the forest and in the river.

619
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:38,540
A very similar water tiger, the Massacura man, is or was also reported in the Demerara

620
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:39,540
river in Guayana.

621
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:43,900
Like the poke poke, it supposedly disembowels children.

622
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,660
That's the first time that has come up.

623
00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:49,580
This one actually, they do say men don't have to worry.

624
00:34:49,580 --> 00:34:52,780
They don't either.

625
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:58,180
So Sabertooth Tiger, that's what we got for sightings.

626
00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:03,340
I can't say I'm convinced that it's still out there.

627
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:08,940
There's probably something out there, but Sabertooth, water tiger.

628
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:13,100
Based on the sightings that you've described and like what people are saying about it,

629
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,980
I'm kind of hoping they're not real.

630
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:19,760
They sound kind of terrifying, except the one that you can just easily walk away from

631
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,760
as it tries to bite.

632
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,060
Yeah, no, that guy seems cool.

633
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:25,580
He seems like he might be alright as a pet or something.

634
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:31,420
So someone better try and domesticate that soon if they can actually have a legit sighting

635
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:32,540
of it, I guess.

636
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:40,260
So we're just going to move on from that confusing little bit of this episode on the Sabertooth

637
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:41,980
and ST for short.

638
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:45,140
If you don't want to say Sabertooth, it takes up too much time.

639
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:49,740
We're going to move on to the woolly mammoth, Big Woolly himself.

640
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:54,540
And he's mainly extinct during the epoch, in which I'm not even going to put in here

641
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:58,660
because they say if you say it too perfectly bad things will happen.

642
00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:59,900
I just took it out.

643
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,180
This epoch was about 2 million, how do you say this number?

644
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:05,180
2,588,000?

645
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:08,660
It's 10,000 years ago.

646
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:09,940
I'm pretty sure that was right.

647
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:10,940
Yeah, you're good.

648
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:11,940
Yeah.

649
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:17,420
That's the scientific way to pronounce that number, but I think I did it okay.

650
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:22,260
Woolly mammoth was the last of the mammoth species and was similar but slightly larger

651
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:24,940
in size to the modern day African elephant.

652
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:29,140
The main difference is that it was covered in shaggy hair, like the woolly mammoth we

653
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:30,900
know with a head full of hair.

654
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:36,020
He had smaller ears than the elephant to minimize the effects of the cold since it was alive

655
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:37,380
during an ice age.

656
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:43,140
And it's enormous tusks which it used for fighting, foraging, moving, I mean moving

657
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:47,260
objects very much like the elephants we know and love today.

658
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:52,180
Although the mammoth declined considerably during the end of the era it's from, there

659
00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:57,780
were relic populations that are believed to have still been around up until perhaps around

660
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:02,500
4,000 years ago, after which it is considered to have finally gone extinct.

661
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:08,540
In recent times there have been many discoveries of well preserved skeletons, tusks, dung,

662
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:14,620
which is poop if you weren't sure, stomach contents, and even full carcasses buried

663
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:17,700
underneath the ice in both Siberian and Alaska.

664
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,140
And I think that's actually happened since we've been alive.

665
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:22,780
I think I remember that in the news.

666
00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:24,260
Oh yeah, they find them all the time.

667
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:27,660
Big news, yeah, just like fully preserved which is weird.

668
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:29,860
We don't find like other dinosaurs like that.

669
00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:30,860
And then they try to eat them.

670
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:31,860
Is this a dinosaur?

671
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:34,620
I'm gonna go with no, it's not a dinosaur.

672
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:35,620
It's not a dinosaur.

673
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,500
Yeah, it's like an elephant.

674
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:41,740
It's kind of hard to believe a sabertooth tiger existed for 40 million years longer

675
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:43,340
than a woolly mammoth though.

676
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:48,800
Yeah, a woolly mammoth actually had like lots of ancestors though and I still consider

677
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,300
them both dinosaurs.

678
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:51,300
Okay.

679
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,420
And no one's really gonna change my mind on that.

680
00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:56,780
Well, it's not like you're in that profession so don't worry about it.

681
00:37:56,780 --> 00:37:59,780
It's true, so I can hold any belief I want to.

682
00:37:59,780 --> 00:38:05,020
So an early encounter with a mammoth, these ones I remember more of than the sabertooth

683
00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:09,140
one so these ones I think are a little bit more organized.

684
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:15,260
Early encounter with a mammoth was by an English explorer David Ingram in the 1560s.

685
00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:20,420
During his travels he took very detailed notes on the regional flora and fauna as well as

686
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:24,700
the topography and customs of the native peoples he encountered.

687
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:29,460
These notes are overall very accurate like David Ingram accurate.

688
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:35,100
The explorer wrote of how he had seen hairy elephants roaming about which is remarkable

689
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:41,060
considering that there's no such indigenous animals at the time and also Ingram's notes

690
00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:46,740
were usually quite accurate just like I just really emphasized it's coming up again just

691
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:48,580
how accurate they were.

692
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:51,660
Generally he didn't make up facts about hairy elephants.

693
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:55,980
It wasn't just the thing he added at the end of every journal I'm sure.

694
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:56,980
Yeah.

695
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:58,780
Again with the fucking hairy elephant.

696
00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:03,500
It wasn't one of those things but they're like David Ingram and his fucking hairy elephants.

697
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,500
He can never leave those out of his story.

698
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:14,300
Very articulate, very precise, except for those fucking elephants he adds at the end of everything.

699
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,780
Definitely a shortfall.

700
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:18,500
He could have gone places.

701
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,180
He could have gone far.

702
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:25,500
We wouldn't have sent him so far north if he did.

703
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,820
Another very early account comes from the 1580s when a Russian family called the stroganovs

704
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:37,780
supposedly sent mercenaries led by Yermak Pefiyanovich to hunt down some bandits in

705
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:40,160
Siberia what a time to be alive.

706
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,340
When they passed the Earl Mountains Yermak claimed that they had come across what he

707
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:49,460
said was a large hairy elephant lumbering through the wilds.

708
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:54,420
Natives to the area then confirmed that these creatures although rare were very real indeed

709
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:57,620
and were sometimes hunted for their ivory and meat.

710
00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:02,060
I don't know if anyone's ever put this forth but I believe the Earl Mountains is where

711
00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:04,660
the Dyatlov Pass incident happened.

712
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:06,420
Do you think it was a woolly mammoth?

713
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:07,820
It could have been a woolly mammoth.

714
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:08,820
Okay.

715
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:12,100
Or maybe a mountain saber two tiger.

716
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,100
I'm pretty sure.

717
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:16,580
We often overlooked water lines.

718
00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:21,300
I'm pretty sure they've probably done their due diligence and ruled that out however but

719
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:22,860
I just thought I'd bring it up.

720
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:25,140
We are journey to the fringe after all.

721
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:31,540
In the early 1800s there were several reports of supposed surviving mammoths as they all

722
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:33,100
are at this point I believe.

723
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:38,500
In 1807 there was a report from the explorer David Thompson who told of hearing from First

724
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:43,140
Nations in Canada of enormous elephant like creatures hanging out in the wilds of British

725
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:45,020
Columbia Canada.

726
00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:46,660
That's right we have woolly mammoths.

727
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:48,580
We should have a woolly mammoth on our flag.

728
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:53,580
The natives said that the immense hairy creatures were rarely seen and that they slept while

729
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:55,820
leaning against trees.

730
00:40:55,820 --> 00:41:00,860
Thompson encountered elephant like tracks in 1811 which he believed had been made by

731
00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:05,060
a young mammoth and in the end Thompson would say this of the encounter.

732
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,700
Quote, the circumstantial evidence of the existence of this animal is sufficient but

733
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:14,700
notwithstanding the many months the hunters have transversed this extent of country in

734
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,820
all directions and this animal having never been seen there is no direct evidence of his

735
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:24,920
existence yet when I think of all I have seen and heard if put on my oath I could neither

736
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,300
assert nor deny its existence.

737
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:32,300
For many hundreds of miles of the rocky mountains are yet unknown and through the ephiles by

738
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:39,300
which we pass distant 120 miles from each other we hasten our march as much as possible.

739
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:40,300
End quote.

740
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:45,140
It's interesting that I live in the Thompson Oak Gnoggin as a region and I'm wondering

741
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:46,660
if it's named after this guy.

742
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:50,460
Oh I don't know maybe or maybe it's just a coincidence.

743
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:51,460
It could be a coincidence.

744
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:52,980
Thompson's a common name.

745
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:55,580
Yeah it's just gonna say.

746
00:41:55,580 --> 00:42:01,180
There's also an account in the Edinburgh magazine supposedly made in 1803 in Western

747
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:07,180
Canada weird name for a magazine in Western Canada but here we are talking about it.

748
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:09,820
This is near a place called York Fort.

749
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:11,860
So tons in Canada for some reason.

750
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:14,260
And you're positive this is not on the British Isles.

751
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:19,220
No I'm pretty sure I at least know where Canada is if anything.

752
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:20,220
I hope.

753
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:22,340
I really hope I could point that out on a map.

754
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:28,660
The witness Thomas Pollock claimed to have been a sergeant with the Hudson Bay Company

755
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:33,700
at the time and he and his guide had come across quite the curious beast while venturing

756
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,340
out to make contact with native tribes.

757
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:42,660
Pollock would say this of what happened thus quote we left York Fort on the 19th of May

758
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:48,060
1803 about a fortnight after having been sent across a river the name of which I do

759
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:51,300
not now recollect by Mr. Lewis's orders.

760
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:56,340
The guide and myself suddenly came upon an animal of enormous size that appeared about

761
00:42:56,340 --> 00:43:00,780
20 feet in height and had very heavy and unwieldy appearance.

762
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:05,620
I can give but a very lame account of it on account the consternation in which I was

763
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:06,620
thrown.

764
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:11,820
The largeness of its belly was enormous nearly touching the ground its color was dirty black

765
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:18,780
end quote so this elephant like large creature was obese like its stomach was on the ground.

766
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:24,500
I don't know how that would make for any sort of mobility in any sort of animal if its stomach

767
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,700
was on the ground other than crocodiles it's always on the ground for them unless it's

768
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:30,020
in the water.

769
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:36,020
Exciting in 1818 there is yet another account of Big Woolly from the Rocky Mountains this

770
00:43:36,020 --> 00:43:38,820
time in the United States part of the Rocky Mountains.

771
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:43,020
The witness said that there is what seemed to be woolly mammoths wandering around the

772
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:48,100
region and would say this of the mysterious creatures quote.

773
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:53,060
The fact of its existence rests upon the testimony of two different parties who had been sent

774
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:56,500
some errand into the interior valleys of those mountains.

775
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:02,500
The first party came suddenly upon an animal in a deep informally unvisited recess and

776
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:09,060
were so alarmed as its religious size exceeding that of the largest elephant at its unknown

777
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:14,220
aspect they immediately retreated in great consternation to the encampment from which

778
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:15,980
they had been dispatched.

779
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:20,580
Another party was sent to the same spot to ascertain the fact and though the animal was

780
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:26,100
not observed its footsteps could be distinctly traced and each compartment of its hoof is

781
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,940
stated to have admitted both the feet of the travelers.

782
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:33,900
It ought to observe that these parties were perfectly familiar with the appearance of

783
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:39,140
the buffalo which indeed they were in a daily habit of killing and that the animal which

784
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:43,740
they saw cannot therefore be regarded as an individual of that tribe.

785
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:45,380
The tribe of Buffalo.

786
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:47,980
God they talked weirder than the 1800s.

787
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:50,220
I know that's why I'm having troubles with this.

788
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:55,780
It was seen to as I have stated in a very remote and central valley and the intervals

789
00:44:55,780 --> 00:45:00,500
between its paces are described having been of astonishing magnitude.

790
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:05,140
Now we know well that animals of immense size have inhabited the northern parts of our earth

791
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:10,380
in former times and the huge remains which are every day dug up are more likely to have

792
00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:16,060
belonged to individuals of such an animal as that now alluded to then to any extinct

793
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:18,140
species of the former world.

794
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:23,700
In the same year 1818 to refresh your memory after all of that quote that I just read to

795
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:27,420
you you probably forgot I forgot where am I.

796
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:32,940
There was a similar experience made by a Russian hunter who would finally relate the

797
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:41,460
encounter decades later to Mr. Senor M.L. Gowan of the French consulate in all places

798
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:44,180
Vladistok Russia in 1920.

799
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:50,420
A hunter said that he had found enormous elephant-tine footprints as he was exploring out on the

800
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:54,740
taiga and that he had then followed the tracks for several days.

801
00:45:54,740 --> 00:46:06,900
What kind of time does this guy have on his hands?

802
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:11,460
He began to think that he would never find the source of the mysterious giant tracks but

803
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:14,780
then he would come across two apparent woolly mammoths.

804
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:17,580
He would say this of the ensuing encounter.

805
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:21,540
One afternoon it was clear enough from the tracks that the animals weren't far off.

806
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:26,860
A wind was in my face which was good for approaching them without them knowing I was there.

807
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:31,980
All of a sudden I saw one in the animals quite clearly and now I must admit I really was

808
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:32,980
afraid.

809
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:35,340
It had stopped among some young saplings.

810
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:39,300
It was a huge elephant with big white tusks, very curved.

811
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,580
It was a dark chestnut color as far as I could see.

812
00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:47,060
It had fairly long hair on the hind quarters but it seemed much shorter on the front.

813
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:50,460
I must say I had no idea that there were such big elephants.

814
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:52,660
It had huge legs and moved very slowly.

815
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:57,780
I've only seen elephants in pictures but I must say that even from the distance, he

816
00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:02,980
was about 3000 meters from them, I could never have believed any beast could be so big.

817
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:04,500
The second beast was around.

818
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,140
I saw it only a few times among the trees.

819
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:08,500
It seemed to be the same size.

820
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:13,700
So if he hasn't seen an elephant I'm not sure the scale of what he's talking about

821
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:16,660
because I mean elephants are pretty big as well.

822
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:22,900
Next up we have another report that was relayed by Colonel F. Fowler who in the late 1800s

823
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:25,140
resided in Alaska.

824
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:30,020
When talking to a reporter he related a tale about something he had seen out in the wilderness

825
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:34,940
near the Snake River while traveling to an Inuit trading post.

826
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:39,340
Once at the outpost he claimed that he had purchased a load of what he thought was fossilized

827
00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:45,020
mammoth ivory from Chief Tuliteema and upon inspecting the tusk, Fowler claims that he

828
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:48,780
found fresh traces of blood and flesh upon them gross.

829
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:53,780
When he asked the chief about it, Tuliteema explained that the ivory had come from animals

830
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:59,380
that had been killed just 3 months before, just about 50 miles away from where they were.

831
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:03,620
According to the chief, the hunting party had run into a whole herd of mammoths and

832
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:06,060
it managed to take down two of them.

833
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:08,460
Yeah I guess I could read this.

834
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:11,900
Fowler would explain the stream's incident thus.

835
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:17,620
He says, he and his band were searching along a dry water course for ivory and had found

836
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:19,340
a considerable quantity.

837
00:48:19,340 --> 00:48:24,420
One of the party who was in advance rushed in upon the main body one morning with the

838
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:30,420
startling intelligence at a spring of water about a mile above where they then were.

839
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:33,980
He had discovered the sign of several of the big teeth.

840
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:40,220
They had come to the spring to drink from a lofty plateau further inland and had evidently

841
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:43,220
fed in the vicinity of the water for some time.

842
00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:48,100
The chief immediately called about him, his warriors, and the party under the leadership

843
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:49,980
of the scout approached the stream.

844
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:52,700
So they went to the stream, him and his posse.

845
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,340
It nearly reached it.

846
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:59,860
When their ears were suddenly saluted by a chorus of loud, strolled trumpet-like calls,

847
00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:04,700
an enormous creature came crashing toward them through the thicket, the ground fairly

848
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,180
trembling beneath the ponderous footfalls.

849
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,020
What a way to say that.

850
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:14,220
With wild cries of terror and dismay, the Indians fled, all but the chief of the scout

851
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:17,220
who had first discovered the trails of the monsters.

852
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:21,580
They were armed with large caliber muskets and stood their ground opening fire on the

853
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:22,580
mammoth.

854
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:27,020
A bullet must have penetrated the creature's brain, or it staggered forward and fell dead

855
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:31,620
and subsequently on their way back to the cramped ground, they overhauled and killed

856
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,380
a cow big teeth, which was evidently the mate of the first one killed.

857
00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:40,900
I asked the hunter to describe the monster, and taking a sharp stick he drew me a picture

858
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,540
of the pale animal in the soft clay.

859
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:48,820
According to his description, it was at least 20 feet in height and 30 feet in length.

860
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:53,620
In general shape, it was not unlike an elephant, but its ears were smaller, its eyes bigger,

861
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:55,820
and its trunk longer and more slender.

862
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:59,780
Its tusks were yellowish white in color and six in number.

863
00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:00,780
What?

864
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:01,780
Huh.

865
00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:02,780
It had six tusks?

866
00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:06,340
And also, I just want to point out at this point, how was he using color when he's

867
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:08,180
outlining something in clay?

868
00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:10,780
I think he just ascribed it that way.

869
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:13,060
Okay, we're gonna have to assume that.

870
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:18,340
Four of this tusks were placed like those of a boar, one on either side of its jaw,

871
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:19,340
in each jaw.

872
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:22,740
They were about four feet long and came to a sharp point.

873
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:27,980
The other two tusks he brought away and measured them and they were over 15 feet in length

874
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:31,420
and weighed upward of 250 pounds each.

875
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:34,700
They gradually tapered to a sharp point and curved inward.

876
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:39,540
The monster's body was covered with long, coarse hair of a reddish-done color.

877
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:40,540
What a sighting.

878
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:42,980
Lots of First Nations sightings.

879
00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:48,420
I actually wish I could include some legends of First Nations in this.

880
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:50,620
That's an afterthought, obviously.

881
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:53,260
That might be its own episode.

882
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:59,380
Yeah, these are clearly European encounters with First Nations and then saying, yes, these

883
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:01,500
are what they are seeing.

884
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:06,500
So I apologize, I probably could have presented that in a better way, but that's an afterthought.

885
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,740
So maybe a future episode.

886
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:14,420
In October of 1899, there is a strange article called Killing the Mammoth published in McClure's

887
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:17,140
magazine written by a Henry Tuchman.

888
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:21,180
The article discussed the supposed killing of the last mammoth, which had apparently

889
00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:25,540
happened in 1890 out in the Frigid Wilderness of Alaska again.

890
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:30,620
Tuchman claimed that he had been staying at Fort Yukon for the winter and at some point

891
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:35,500
he was showing some pictures of African animals to the native Inuit when one of them saw a

892
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:39,820
picture of an elephant and they all became excited and agitated.

893
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:51,860
One villager called Joe, said he had seen such a creature recently not far away, which was

894
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:56,580
odd since there should have not been any elephants around for thousands of miles.

895
00:51:56,580 --> 00:52:01,800
Joe claimed that he had seen the creature, which he had called the T. K. Koa, while out

896
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,860
hunting for beaver with his son some years before when they came across the massive creature

897
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:08,580
apparently bathing in a lake.

898
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:13,340
The son then promptly shot at it, but the creature was only angered by this and they

899
00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:14,400
were treated.

900
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,180
This was all very intriguing to Tuchman, who interpreted this as a sighting of a possible

901
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:24,780
living woolly mammoth and made plans to actually go out after the forbidding winter had passed

902
00:52:24,780 --> 00:52:27,140
to investigate the area of the sighting.

903
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:32,100
When summer came and the snow melted, Tuchman supposedly went out into the rough wilds with

904
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:36,700
an Inuit guide and they finally found what they were looking for after spending over

905
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,900
a month camping out in wait.

906
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:43,580
At one point he set up a fire under the impression that the mammoth would emerge to try and stamp

907
00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:46,340
it out and unbelievably they seemed to work.

908
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:51,580
The mammoth allegedly came out of the trees to proceed to try and stomp out the fire and

909
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:55,940
at that point the two hunters opened fire until the mighty bees fell.

910
00:52:55,940 --> 00:53:00,180
They then went about skinning the colossal animal and collecting its bones, but the coming

911
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:04,740
onset of the winter meant that they were forced to hunker down with their trophy until the

912
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:05,740
spring.

913
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:09,740
According to Tuchman, he finally did manage to sell the bones and remains to his kill to

914
00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:10,980
the Smithsonian.

915
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:13,060
They allegedly kept them under wraps.

916
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:17,820
Although the story was subsequently widely reported on in many publications of the time,

917
00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:21,940
this thought to have most likely been a hoax and the Smithsonian itself has denied the

918
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:26,420
claims but it's still bandied about as a possibly true event.

919
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:31,940
Or his part, Fowler continued to claim that the whole tale was true, even going as far

920
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:35,540
as to say that the government knew these creatures were still alive.

921
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:36,540
Okay.

922
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:39,780
So that brings me to my last woolly mammoth sighting.

923
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:44,060
And this is going to be what if you just type in woolly mammoth sighting, I bet you this

924
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:45,700
is the one that comes up.

925
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:46,700
Yeah.

926
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:47,980
I'm going to do that right now.

927
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:49,380
Just type in woolly mammoth.

928
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:53,820
Woolly mammoth sighting and go to videos while I talk about this.

929
00:53:53,820 --> 00:54:01,540
The most recent talked about piece of supposed photographic evidence, not just stories from

930
00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:03,820
the 1800s here anymore.

931
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:07,500
This is photographic video from 2012.

932
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,420
Is this the one crossing the river?

933
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:10,420
Yes.

934
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:11,420
So you can watch it.

935
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:17,140
The Opposite Russian government employed engineer named Ludovik Pitho allegedly managed to

936
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:23,860
film a woolly mammoth wading through a river in the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug region of

937
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:27,140
Siberia while surveying for a planned road.

938
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:32,380
It became an immediate internet sensation and caused many jaws to drop as well as many

939
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:33,940
theories to swirl.

940
00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:36,060
Man, that is one grainy video.

941
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:37,060
Yeah.

942
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:40,820
It's very grainy and I watched it and I was like, I can't see it.

943
00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:42,940
It kind of looks like a woolly mammoth.

944
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:46,180
I actually think it more looks like a bear with a fish in its mouth.

945
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:47,180
Yeah.

946
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:48,540
So that's the thing.

947
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:52,900
I first watched it and I was like, okay, I could see woolly mammoth if we're looking

948
00:54:52,900 --> 00:55:00,620
at this until I saw one of the explanations is a very out of focus bear carrying a fish

949
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:04,860
in its mouth in which it looks exactly like that.

950
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:05,860
Yeah.

951
00:55:05,860 --> 00:55:07,900
And that's definitely what it is.

952
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:13,540
And that is the latest woolly mammoth site and with all of those credible woolly mammoth

953
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:18,780
sightings, except for the last two hoaxes or confusion that I just shared with you.

954
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:25,300
I think there's definitely some more substance to the woolly mammoth sightings than a saber

955
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:27,700
tooth for sure.

956
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:32,220
I want to will it to be the more true of the ones we went through today?

957
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:36,620
Like, if we could just live in a world with woolly mammoths and slow-mouthed tigers.

958
00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:40,020
It would be a better place.

959
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:46,380
You would definitely want to, what do they call it when you selective breeding the saber

960
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:49,940
tooth tiger that you just can't close his mouth that fast.

961
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:52,420
So it's not that dangerous.

962
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:54,180
That's probably the one in the Flintstones.

963
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:55,740
I'm going to go out on a limb.

964
00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:56,740
Yeah.

965
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:59,420
You can get your can in there and just get it open.

966
00:55:59,420 --> 00:56:00,420
Yeah.

967
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:01,420
In time.

968
00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:07,060
There's so many good household needs that they would be there to provide.

969
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:08,060
That's the end.

970
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:11,900
So do you have any thoughts of my extinct animal sightings?

971
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:13,460
I think it was a lot of fun.

972
00:56:13,460 --> 00:56:18,340
I know I personally am now going to start ending all of my logs with a sighting of a

973
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:21,380
furry elephant creature taking after Ingram.

974
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:22,740
You're going to be like, yeah.

975
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:26,540
And I think if there's one thing that was taken from this, it's that.

976
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:27,540
Yeah.

977
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:31,620
And we all include furry large elephants in our logs going forth.

978
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:32,620
Yeah.

979
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:35,460
It's going to be an incident while it'll be one major incident.

980
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:37,460
The furry elephant.

981
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:41,500
The lying furry elephants and everything that we do moving.

982
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:46,180
And if there's one more thing that I do take from this episode as well is that if we split

983
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:50,060
up our episodes, despite the fact that we're recording them beside each other, it can seem

984
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:52,660
like we have ongoing jokes.

985
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:55,660
It really brings it all together.

986
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:59,660
It looks like we thought ahead, which I quite like.

987
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:02,340
But only for like a month apart of episodes.

988
00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:03,340
Yeah.

989
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:04,340
And then that's it.

990
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:05,340
It'll never come up again.

991
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:06,340
Yeah.

992
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:11,500
No, that was a fun little jaunt through time and no less than three continents.

993
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,660
So thank you for that, Chelsea.

994
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:14,780
You're very welcome.

995
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:18,220
And I'm sure we could actually do more of these because there are more extinct creatures

996
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:19,220
out there.

997
00:57:19,220 --> 00:57:22,620
And not one time I was a little sad that you didn't do this.

998
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:25,940
Did you mention that they could just be woolly mammoth ghosts?

999
00:57:25,940 --> 00:57:28,180
I did briefly bring it up a little.

1000
00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:33,980
I said dinosaur ghosts because I really just generally throw them all into dinosaur.

1001
00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:35,980
Yes, I'm noticing.

1002
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:40,940
So by that, I didn't mean woolly mammoth ghost.

1003
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:44,180
So do you think we live in AD and that means after dinosaurs?

1004
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:45,980
After dinosaurs.

1005
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:46,980
Okay.

1006
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:47,980
Yeah.

1007
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:50,420
They were just a general time period of animals.

1008
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:52,820
I'm dinosaur.

1009
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:55,300
D and AD.

1010
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:56,300
Yes.

1011
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:57,300
Okay.

1012
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:58,300
And with that, I think we...

1013
00:57:58,300 --> 00:57:59,300
Yeah.

1014
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,300
I think that's a good place to end this off.

1015
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:02,580
We just learned a lot.

1016
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:04,980
And I don't know what to do with this information.

1017
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:06,540
I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

1018
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:07,980
We have been Journey to the Fringe.

1019
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:08,980
Thank you all for listening.

1020
00:58:08,980 --> 00:58:10,980
We will see you next week.

1021
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:13,980
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1022
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:16,340
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1023
00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:22,540
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00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:42,860
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00:58:42,860 --> 00:58:46,260
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00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:49,780
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1031
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