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Chelsea, this week's intro is actually kind of a follow-up on my previous episode.

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Not per se anything that's like from that episode, it's just more on the why lawns and

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lawn adjacent things are kind of shit.

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This comes from The Guardian.

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It was posted on March 10th, 2023 and written by Tom Perkins.

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Title, artificial turf potentially linked to cancer deaths of six Phillies baseball

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players.

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Report.

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What?

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The link between a rare brain cancer that killed six professional US baseball players

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and toxic chemicals in artificial turf is raising a new round of questions over whether

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synthetic sport fields pose a health threat to athletes and others who use them.

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The six athletes who all died from glioblastoma played most of their career with the Philadelphia

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Phillies, a team that for decades competed on artificial turf in veteran stadiums, the

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Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

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All artificial turf is made with toxic PFOS compounds, something that we've heard about

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many a time as a forever chemical.

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Yeah, it sounds familiar.

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And some types are still produced with recycled tires that can contain heavy metals, benzene,

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volatile organic compounds and other carcinogens.

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And a growing number of US municipalities and states have outright banned or proposed banning

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them.

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The Phillies players deaths are more evidence that regulators need to prohibit synthetic

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fields said Kyla Bennett, a former environmental protection agency scientist, now with the

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public employees for environmental responsibility nonprofit.

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Quote, there is a high number of Philadelphia Phillies diagnosed with this rare cancer and

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it looks weird.

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So that should be a red flag.

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We don't know what those chemicals are doing to us.

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What happened to exercise and caution when we're talking about human health?

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End quote.

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Great question.

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However, all brain cancer experts who have spoken with the Guardian or were quoted in

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previous stories on the Phillies deaths cautioned that it is impossible to prove all the ball

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players cancers were caused by PFOS from the turf.

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This is a quote from a neuro oncologist that they're talked to.

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The bottom line is anything in the world is possible.

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But what's plausible and provable are totally different things said Henry Friedman, a neuro

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oncologist at Duke University who treated two of the players.

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Quote, there is no way to now say if these chemicals are there, they are causing the

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tumors.

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The federal government estimates about 12,000 synthetic turf fields exist in the US and

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at least 1200 more are installed annually.

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Only five professional baseball players still use synthetic fields, the inquire reported.

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Several layers comprise synthetic fields, plastic grass blades, plastic backings that

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hold the blades in place and infills that weigh down the turf.

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Until recently, infill was always made with recycled rubber tires called crumb rubber,

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which EPA testing has found contains high levels of dangerous chemicals, which we've

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actually talked about in another episode before.

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Yeah, so many things coming up.

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PFOS can be ingested, inhaled and absorbed through the skin or even enter the body through

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open wounds.

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The Elise Ball players competed on artificial turf between 1971 and 2003 and six former

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Phillies died in their 40s and 50s, about three times the rate of the adult male general

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population.

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But researchers noted that the age group in which they died is at higher risk for the

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disease and that could skew the results.

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Experts have said other factors could contribute like pesticides used on grass fields, chewing

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tobacco or drug use or concussions.

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It seems weird that concussions would lead to cancer, but it does seem weird.

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I don't know, I'm not an oncologist, so I can't tell you.

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I think that's enough of that article.

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Chelsea, anything you want to say?

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No, so that just proves, well, yes, I guess I could add some stuff into this.

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No, you're refusing.

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You seem to see a few things.

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I mean, it just goes to show that maybe they should be playing on a bed of flowers would

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be safer for them.

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And they bring up smoking and stuff like that.

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But with smoking, that's a decision that you're making when it's artificial turf and

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it's your job to be playing on something like that.

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It's causing.

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You could also say that nobody forced them to make millions of dollars playing baseball,

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but I think that's a shitty argument, though, especially when you know kids also play on

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these fields.

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It's true.

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And also when you get hurt on the job, too, that's like nobody forced them to do that

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thing that was making me for their livelihood.

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And I personally have not heard a solid argument that just turning the field into a forest

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and or bettos wouldn't drastically improve the sport of baseball.

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I think it would.

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I would be more intrigued.

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I can't say I would watch it still, but more intrigued I would be.

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And that's what I had to add.

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And with that, we can go right into this episode.

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From the unexplained to the mundane.

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Come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, the podcast that journeys through the fringe.

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Maybe one day we could do a podcast called Return from the Fringe and really complete

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that loop.

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But for now, we just kind of drop you guys off and say, see you.

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We are your neglectful tour guides and podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today, Chelsea appears to have found an asshole of the UFO community.

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Chelsea, am I correct in one?

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Okay, perfect.

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You're correct.

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I always love a good asshole.

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Please don't take that out of context, anybody.

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And I am going into this blind because I have no idea who this guy is.

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And I wonder, I have a feeling I know what a return from the fringe would look like,

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but I really like to see it come to life.

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But today I'm excited because I did find just on a whim in Reddit.

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I totally forgot this guy existed.

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I know Taylor says he has no idea who this guy is, but I'm about to prove him wrong because

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he does know who it is.

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And this guy, he won't let us down on our asshole.

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Do you call it?

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I'm coming to the fringe of a vast whole episodes, I guess.

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This person is Stanley Romanek.

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The person I'm going to talk about is quotation, the centerpiece of the most documented extraterrestrial

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contact story in the world and the multitude of evidence he has collected over the 13 years

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challenges conventional beliefs and quote.

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And that quote I just read to you comes from his documentary.

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It's the first quote that flashes across the scene, followed by many more.

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Does it say who said it?

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No.

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Just this guy.

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If it's unaccredited, I just kind of hope it's David Wilcock, but you know he would

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never let his name go unaccredited.

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It didn't say physicist.

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True.

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So, I would also hope this is David Wilcock, but I'm going to talk about this documentary.

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David Wilcock does not show his face in it.

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So there's also two more unnecessary minutes of more quotes, but I'm not going to bore

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you with that at this time.

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You have any guesses at this point?

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Who he is?

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The 13 years biggest UFO thing in history.

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Most evidence.

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Most evidence.

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Challenges conventional beliefs.

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His name as far as I know is not associated with, oh what's the one in Britain?

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Like the two big ones I think of is Roswell, which isn't that great at the end of the day.

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And what's the name of the forest?

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Rendlesham.

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Rendlesham Forest.

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Not even close.

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Do you recognize the name?

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No.

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Okay, so just based on that quote, I wouldn't have any idea either.

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So let me just go post this general.

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Do you want it?

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Sure.

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About to blow your mind who I'm talking about.

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You know, look at this and you're going to know exactly.

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So have you ever seen the infamous great...

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Oh god, yes, I know exactly.

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No video.

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Affectionately known as the Boo video.

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That, my friends, is Stanley Romanek.

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Oh, this is going to be a good one.

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Okay, so that's who we're talking about, this guy.

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Wait, did you know he's an asshole?

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Do you think he's going to be an asshole?

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I suspect mostly because we've already kind of preordained him.

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It's true we did.

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I heavily influenced that thought.

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And we are very impartial podcasts.

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Clearly the guy's an asshole.

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We mostly only do assholes.

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That's our only interest, as we said, going into this.

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So after a quick Google search to see what was up with Stanley, I have to put it out

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there right now that this Stanley is not to be confused with this other Stanley on Instagram,

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who also goes by Stan Romanek, that's his name, he doesn't just go by it, who is Carpenter

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slash owner at level home improvements.

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He goes on to say in his Instagram bio, I'm not the guy that was abducted by aliens, so

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stop frame requesting me, you lunatics.

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I'm just putting that out there at this time.

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Can we interview that guy?

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I'm sure he has some good stories just on now.

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I didn't even try based on his intro on his Instagram.

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The Stanley we're talking about is not Carpenter owner.

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He is Stanley Tiger Romanek.

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I'm not even shitting you.

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And as an alien experiencer, I think that's how you would describe it.

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He has many claims starting in the year 2000, which this is how his encounters start.

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December 27, 2000, the first UFO seen by Stan was in the daytime at the location of El

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Alameda and Jewel in West Denver, Brackets Lakewood.

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I don't even know if that's relevant.

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When first observed, he says it was about 53 from Stan's car.

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I don't know why he's talking in the third person.

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Maybe there's another Stan.

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Maybe it was Carpenter owner Stan.

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Before they're falling out.

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Directly above the level of power lines along the side of the road was keeping pace just

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ahead of my moving car at about 40 miles per hour in the air at a slight angle forward.

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Approximate size was that of a minivan.

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I slowed then stopped my car as did other cars and their drivers observing this object.

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After a few moments, the object instantly popped to a higher height several feet up

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causing an intense sonic boom that was felt on my.

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That was felt on my.

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Can we go back?

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It moved several feet or several hundred feet?

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I missed 100 several hundred.

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Okay, that makes much worse.

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Sorry about that.

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Carpenter in the 10th.

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I just for the life of me, I could not see a sonic boom coming from three feet of movement

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and him just being like, oh yeah, that's gonna sonic boom.

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It moves so freaking fast.

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Okay, but here's how he knows it was a sonic boom because he felt it on his clothes and

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his body.

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Other than the sonic pop, the object made absolutely no sound.

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At this point, the camera was ready to film and the video was taken.

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So what else happens to Stanley Tiger Romanek?

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That would make him an official experiencer to the lengths that we read on the quote.

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Well, he felt it in his clothes.

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Isn't that enough?

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Yeah, exactly.

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He felt the whole being of being an experiencer.

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The core of his clothes.

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But let's talk about what else makes him a diabolical experiencer.

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So he frequently witnesses UAPs, apparently extremely frequently, like all the time.

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The odds are so slim that he wouldn't be experiencing them this often, but he does.

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Abduction experiences.

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So this includes aliens following his car, visiting his home.

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One account, he woke up wearing a ladies flannel nightgown.

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Okay, and this one gets weirder.

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Okay, so obviously he was abducted and the clothes were confused with other abductees.

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Obviously there's no other answer than they definitely belong to Betty Hill.

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But the DNA tests were too expensive to prove they were Betty Hill.

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We just have to assume.

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Yeah, we're assuming we're just trusting Stanley Tiger Romanek at this point.

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I quite like that fact.

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We're not even like into this yet.

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No, we got that little tidbit.

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Chelsea, I feel fairly confident about at least the Betty and Bernie Hill abduction.

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I don't remember a single part of it where Betty awakens naked or wearing somebody's

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previous clothes.

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No, you don't.

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Or being abducted in the night.

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No, he's stretching it at this point.

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At this point, this is beginning.

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I don't know if he's trying to lend some credibility to himself, but this is only the first thing

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it goes on.

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So it goes on.

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What else makes him a diabolical experiencer?

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Well, of course, being implanted with alien artifacts, having sustained multiple mysterious

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injuries inflicted by aliens and some of these implants glowed under black light.

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He was an experiencer of not only telepathic communications with aliens, but also received

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communications through a ghost box and voicemails.

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So in his ghost inbox, in his regular voicemail on his phone.

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Okay.

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And a ghost box is one of those things that it just goes through different radio frequencies.

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Oh, yeah.

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And it's basically just static, but every now and then has little ticks.

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And I'm not sure the science behind how they think that it works to communicate with ghosts

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and stuff like that.

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That's how he says he was receiving communication with extraterrestrials as well.

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We also have that he is the offspring of an alien human hybrid.

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I need to assume at this point he didn't pay for the DNA test.

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Because they're crazy on that one too.

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Yeah, no, everything that comes with the cost is pretty much too crazy for him to prove

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anything.

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We've just got to kind of make some assumptions.

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There's only so much money to go around.

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We're putting our full faith in Stanley Tiger Romanek right now.

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Poor Stanley Tiger Romanek.

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Yeah, he doesn't have that much money.

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This quote comes right from the Coast to Coast A.F. website for Stanley's bio.

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He says he's also found strange scoop marks on his body a number of times.

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I don't even know what the fuck that means.

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Like an ice cream bucket.

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Yeah, like I'm just picturing what that would look like on his body if it was like an ice

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cream scoop.

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I'd be concerned about bleeding out at that point.

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What else do you scoop?

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I don't know.

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Like the only thing I can even think of is ice cream or mashed potatoes and you're going

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to do the exact same thing.

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But it's not the weirdest thing in this bio that makes him an experiencer.

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And then my last point here is what makes him such a famous experiencer.

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After working with therapist Deborah Lindemann, he retrieved memories of encounters with humanoid

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like beings that he calls the paw some people.

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He described them as having huge eyes, straightly hair and long faces.

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They showed him visions of catastrophic earth events that include 600 miles per hour winds

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and major explosions, which he was told would occur in December of this year.

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Not sure what year that was, but let's just assume that that is coming on.

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That year is not 2023.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah, it's not 2023 for sure.

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So it has become painstakingly clear through the journey I've taken that the big thing

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about Stan is that he can't corroborate a single fucking thing that he claims.

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Starting with at least in this episode that he woke up wearing Bitty Hills night care.

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I love that one.

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But he does, however, have this documentary called Extraordinary, Extraordinary, the

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Stan Roman X story.

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And Extraordinary it is.

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The DVD gives this movie a magnificent and excessive 3.8 out of 10 and I watched it.

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Well, I watched about three quarters of it.

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It just becomes unwatchable by the end of it and by the beginning.

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So you're welcome because you do owe me a thank you for enduring that.

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And let me just summarize some of the weird ass things in this documentary that I would

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characterize as complete fiction.

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This literally covers pretty much every paranormal aspect you could think of.

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You got aliens, ghosts, orbs, shadow people, math, voicemails, documentaries with Stanley

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Tiger Roman out talking.

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It's so god awful.

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Like incredibly shaky home video footage for the first half with literally no talking other

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than Stan on these shitty videos.

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And what we do get are quotes that you have to read between flashes of like really crappy

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photographs and videos of what you assume to be a compilation of just bullet points

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of all this like incredible proof that he has written out and they just like will randomly

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flash across the screen like he witnessed all these UFOs and stuff like this with these

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video footages that don't prove anything at all.

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I also just want to point out that literally all the videos and photos are so shitty they

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don't prove a fucking thing.

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Some are quite obviously fake.

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There's have absolutely no form of reference to what you're looking at or hearing.

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Some are literally just a black screen with conversation in which I would assume either

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was made illegally or staged.

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It would have to be.

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There's no other context for what they're talking about.

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Like at one point he's saying that there's a UFO.

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He woke up outside and he was abducted by a UFO and it's quite literally it just looks

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like a flashlight flashing into some bushes.

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I'm not even kidding you.

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So this is like Blair Witch Project level of special effects.

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It is and I think I make reference to that as well.

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Everything that he shows in these videos are things that have no reference and can easily

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be faked and it's like I can't remember when the documentary came out but it's not even

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like good it's not done with effects.

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Like this would all have to be like things that you just were creative enough to try

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and fake on your own.

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We have equations with literally no explanation given of said equations.

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They just like kind of flash across the screen at some point.

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In my mind that's to show his sanity.

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That's what you want to do in a documentary like this.

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Yeah and the bullet point says that the aliens gave him this.

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It's really just random numbers and at one point the Drake equation comes onto the screen

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and the bullet point on this one says that this is the Drake equation except Stan multiplies

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it by 100.

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So there's that.

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Now it's the Stan equation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because he tweaked it.

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I don't know if someone is supposed to be like this gotta be real now.

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He multiplies it by 100.

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I can't believe we skipped over that in the Drake equation episode.

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We did miss this.

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We missed that huge step for mankind.

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The Stanley Tiger Romanuk out for us.

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The documentary also has random photos of UFOs with dates written across them at the

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bottom.

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Many more photos and video footage in which you have absolutely no idea what you're looking

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at.

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A lot of these UFOs there are some that you're like okay that could maybe be UFOs.

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Some of it's obviously not a UFO.

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Every single video and most photos are presented in a way that prove absolutely nothing kind

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of like I said and without the bullet point flashing across the screen that shared the

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encounter or proof you would have no idea what you're looking at.

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We move on to paranormal investigators inside the house doing EVPs which are just like computer

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voices saying things.

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Photos of shadow people and I say that with quotes because most of them are just clearly

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someone standing in front of the flash of a camera.

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There's photos of Stan roughed up with bleeding noses.

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This actually comes up again because we see the same photos reused in the documentary

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for another part that I'm going to talk about and it actually gets quite hilarious because

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he starts walking in circles and using the same information for different circumstances

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where he needs it to fit.

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Then he literally has photos of his computer typed out that say you can't hide on it.

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So this is what I mean by you have no proof that this is an actual threat from somebody.

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Nobody could do that.

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It has to be someone who broke into his house and threatened him.

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Absolutely not proof of anything.

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Photos of melted drugs which the aliens melted for some reason.

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Prescription.

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Why are they such addicted drugs?

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I know.

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It's not like you know.

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Turns out the real assholes were the aliens the whole time.

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I should have just done that for the episode.

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Then we get some voicemails.

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A woman robot voice just saying someone is surveilling him but they can't tell him who

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they are calling him a star seed.

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Now what I'm wondering by the point this is happening this all seems so randomly put

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together.

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Yes.

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It does seem randomly thrown together in the documentary as well.

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But at this point when he's getting random voicemails from these aliens and they're

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calling him star seed what I'm wondering is what the fuck would these things theoretically

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want with this guy.

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Because he kinda seems like an idiot.

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Yeah outside of his claim to fame in the UFO community like where does his money come

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from.

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No idea.

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In this documentary you don't really hear from him at this point in regards to anything.

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At this point in my opinion I'm like what do they see in this idiot.

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The whole documentary all we've heard him say in these videos so far is like what is

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that.

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I passed out.

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What the hell is that.

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Holy shit.

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And so on.

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Because he's shocked at what he's seeing.

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So he doesn't seem so extraordinary to me.

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You think he would be like normalized to at this point.

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Yeah and he never stops being shocked by it while it's been happening for so long.

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So at this point I'm like hmm I don't know they seem to have some sort of very big interest

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in him as if they want something from him.

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If they're sticking around him this much and harassing him by voicemail and also he's

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receiving these threats on his computer.

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Then all of a sudden there are children contacting Stan.

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Weird giving what we find out later in this episode.

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That's enough foreshadowing at this point.

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But at one point Stan is outside taking a photo of a cat.

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We see these photos.

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There's a cat like running around the yard.

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And there's a bullet point that says a kid jumps out from behind the barbecue.

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And sure enough the next photo that pops up is a very poorly photoshopped giant head

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of a child.

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It is so obviously photoshopped behind the barbecue.

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Added to the photo obviously at a later date.

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It's very obviously not in the actual photo.

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It's not even to scale with what you would think a child's head would be in there.

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Maybe it's just a really tiny barbecue.

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You don't know.

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It could be or just an extremely like a child with elephantitis or something.

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Yeah.

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Oh what's the name of that where they have water in the head?

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Hydro something.

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Yeah it would have to be water.

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Hydrocephalus?

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I can't remember.

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That sounds like it could be right but I don't know.

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But it's literally just an abnormally large child's head behind the barbecue.

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Like behind pegs of the deck.

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Really weird.

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Okay so you get the gist of the encounters here.

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They're random.

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They make no sense.

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We're trying to make sense of what's going on in this documentary.

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About halfway through we get to another part of the episode which I wasn't expecting.

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And it's the interviews.

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It's called macrocephaly just in case people work here.

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Okay we were wondering.

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We get to the interviews.

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So the interviews start off with like a bunch of random people.

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You have no idea who they are.

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You Stanley.

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They're just explaining who Stanley is.

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Like randomly one person was like regular guy, he wears shorts and socks and a shirt.

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Another guy comes on and he says answered questions quickly, appropriately.

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It was impressed.

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Literally that's all he said.

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And then it goes to the next guy.

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So then finally we get to hear from Stanley himself.

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And now I'm going to say right here that these are Stanley's words describing his life.

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Not mine.

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It's not mix this up.

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I am not paraphrasing or anything.

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I'm letting you know right from Stanley's mouth.

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And this is where it gets very good because now we're like okay maybe we're going to

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get some context for what the fuck's going on.

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And it's actually going to make sense at this point.

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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And since it does start to make sense because we get to hear from Stanley.

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And it does all start to come together in a very different way.

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It really does.

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Stanley comes on and says he grew up at severe dyslexia and he goes on to say quote Stanley's

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words I'm going to tell you one more time.

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Quote I was always put in special ed classes with the retarded kids and quote.

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Now for reference this documentary was made in 2013.

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There we go.

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10 years ago.

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It's not like this was so long ago that this was a totally appropriate thing to say.

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So then he goes on to say literally in the next breath quote I had gang members around

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me all the time because of the neighborhood we lived in the crypts on one side the bloods

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on the other and they were constantly fighting amongst themselves and I was always you know

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stab wounds and stuff like that.

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I was always caught in crossfires and quote.

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Chelsea this feels like an awkward question to ask but is Stanley white.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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How did you know?

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Shot in the dark.

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At this point I'm like okay.

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What?

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So then it goes on there's more quotes here that I wrote down.

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So quote again.

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Requote they used to pick on me a lot because number one I was the only white kid.

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Oh that would answer your question immediately.

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Because they stabbed them.

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Yeah.

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By picking on they stabbed them.

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God.

493
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Number two I had a learning disability and I had to learn to fight because of it.

494
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,920
He beat me up and so I had to beat everybody else including the principal.

495
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,920
Wait.

496
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320
I'm not high school I went to.

497
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,680
So end quote.

498
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,720
This is supposed to tell us in his own words who he is or to bring everything together.

499
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720
I'm not really sure.

500
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,560
My boy is he telling it.

501
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,040
He is saying stuff.

502
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080
I have no reason to not believe some of this.

503
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:38,200
Now at this point I'm still wondering what the fuck do these aliens see in Stanley.

504
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,200
They wanted to stab him.

505
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,200
They took scoops out.

506
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,200
He's got a stabbable face is what I'm gathering.

507
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,200
Okay.

508
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,200
Holy shit.

509
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,200
There is some.

510
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Okay.

511
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,200
It goes on.

512
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,800
So we're privy to some hypnotherapy sessions done by Deborah Lindemann.

513
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,360
Remove on which he talks about his alien hybrid babies that he has.

514
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,880
At one point Stan claims to have been riding his bike to work when he was confronted by

515
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:08,680
a van full of four obviously paramilitary quote quotes men who intend to intimidate him into

516
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,680
silence.

517
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,720
A fight breaks out and Stan not only says now that he grew up in southwest Denver so

518
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000
he knew how to fight a little bit.

519
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,920
After his fucking crazy story about the crypts and the bloods and then he goes on to describe

520
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,760
his sweet fighting moves including how he used a bicycle chain as a weapon that allowed

521
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,200
him to easily dispatch his attackers before they flee.

522
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,720
So like I said earlier he uses like five minutes later he tells a story that completely

523
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,640
contradicts the other one that he told.

524
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:45,640
And then we see the same pictures flash across the screen of when he said the aliens abducted

525
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520
him and like people were out to get him and stuff.

526
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,320
We see him with like black eyes and stuff.

527
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,280
We see those same pictures again flash across the screen for this encounter.

528
00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,280
I don't know if he thinks we're idiots watching the documentary or what's going on at this

529
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720
point but that's a fucking enough of this shit.

530
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,720
That's the documentary.

531
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,720
Wow.

532
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,720
I know.

533
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Um I have to say at this point he seems of the assholes we've talked about the one I

534
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,440
want to meet the least just because with all the rest of them I'm fairly certain on their

535
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,720
fighting ability.

536
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,120
This guy I've got no idea.

537
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,920
It might be really good.

538
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,920
It might be terrible.

539
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,560
I would like to just read some user reviews from the IMDB about this documentary.

540
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920
One out of ten a disturbed individual.

541
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,240
One out of ten unintentional comedy goals.

542
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,120
One out of ten.

543
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,800
This generation's the rub.

544
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,560
A cry for help.

545
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,840
One out of ten good grief star seat.

546
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,280
One out of ten I've never laughed so hard.

547
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,000
One out of ten total waste of time.

548
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,040
One out of ten obviously a scam.

549
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
One out of ten horrible stand should be ashamed.

550
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,520
One out of ten this is a documentary.

551
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,440
Ten out of ten the Stanley Romanette comedy.

552
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,400
One out of ten this is embarrassing.

553
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,400
Who cares.

554
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,640
If you already believe then go ahead if not this won't be the one to change your mind.

555
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,360
One out of ten oh dear.

556
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,640
Okay so you get the gist but let's move on.

557
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Let's talk about the boo video that I showed Taylor but not you.

558
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Let's talk about it.

559
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,000
So not only did this video make its rounds around the internet it was super famous.

560
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600
If you see it you know what we're talking about.

561
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,600
So it does also appear in this documentary because of course it does.

562
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Why wouldn't it?

563
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,760
The whole documentary is a smathering of poorly recorded videos so the boo video in

564
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,640
all of its glory just makes sense.

565
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,440
I'm going to describe to you the video.

566
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,080
July 2003 Stan claims he was having trouble with peeping toms.

567
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,480
So he decides to set up a camera facing out the popular peep show window to see what was

568
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,800
going on see if he could capture the peepers.

569
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Now get this within minutes of turning the camera on we see what appears to be a grey

570
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,280
alien peer in the window.

571
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,480
It just pops up.

572
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Then the grey alien ducks down either having seen movement in the house or spotting the

573
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,680
camera.

574
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,160
Yeah said oh shit a camera.

575
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Yeah and then he rises again peering through the window.

576
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,400
This catches Stan's attention or something and Stan comes over and the alien ducks down

577
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,800
out of sight again and Stan looks down at the window and seems startled I think a little.

578
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Notice the video in a nutshell but what you don't see in any of these videos is what we

579
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,640
see later after the video in the documentary in the expanded director's cut I guess.

580
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,720
This is where we see the same boo who I'm assuming is the grey maybe we named him boo.

581
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,240
I'm not sure what his name would be but in the documentary we see photographs of this

582
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600
fine fellow around Stan Lee's house.

583
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Right after the boo video plays on screen a photo comes on the screen of the grey peering

584
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,600
through the railing of his deck.

585
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Then another of what I assume to be some friends that are not seen again in the documentary

586
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,520
just a picture of his friends posing with another grey vaguely in the background.

587
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,720
You can tell this is not the same grey though this one kind of looks like a balloon.

588
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320
Then another one this one's way off in the grass and the lawn.

589
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,080
There's nothing literally for reference in the photo or size.

590
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,400
So to me they kind of looked like they could have been just like a miniature grey.

591
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,640
You don't know there's nothing else in the video other than grass blades and grace.

592
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,640
This one's good.

593
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,720
Then the word flashes across the screen because remember there's no one talking aside from

594
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,560
the eavesdropping and in quotes this is what's flashing across the screen.

595
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,840
A few times strange images were found on digital cameras.

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,400
That's when we get some beautiful random grey selfies.

597
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,680
Unfocused round black grey eyes.

598
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,360
Unfocused slip for a mouth.

599
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520
The bottom of a round black grey eye.

600
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,520
Two nose holes.

601
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,280
The bottom of a round black grey eye.

602
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,280
It's literally just random unfocused grey selfies on a digital camera.

603
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Then we're blessed with another video right after the grey selfies.

604
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Random bullet reads 030505 1245 AM.

605
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,720
I must point out that while the bullet point reads 1245 AM in the bottom right of the screen

606
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,200
it says May 5th 05 310 AM.

607
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
So it doesn't even match up with what the fuck you're saying.

608
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,520
This is what it says, grandpa grey and bright flashes of light woke up on the kitchen floor

609
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
at 1 35 AM so now we have three fucking different times.

610
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,400
I don't even know what's going on.

611
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,320
I'm also not entirely sure what the fuck grandpa grey means.

612
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Anyway, in this video, the continuation of the boo video, it starts outside in the driveway

613
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,240
where Stanley says he literally is saying this in the video.

614
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,960
No, no one outside.

615
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,320
We move inside the house and the camera zooms in on the fucking wall for some reason so we're

616
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,400
trying to figure out what the fuck's going on with Stanley at this point.

617
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,000
And while we're zoomed in on the wall, Stan goes, ah, oh my god, what the fuck is that?

618
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,080
The camera then turns around and there's a grey literally squinting at this guy in disgust

619
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,840
from around the corner.

620
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,400
And he's just standing there fucking squinting at him.

621
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,600
And Stan is fucking acting the side himself like, holy shit, what's it doing?

622
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Well, it's not moving is what it's doing and it's suspended all of time and space and

623
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,640
eventually just kind of ducks out and Stanley goes, oh, where is it going?

624
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Oh my god, I can't believe it.

625
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Wimpering, where'd it go?

626
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,280
Where'd it go?

627
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Where'd it go?

628
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Holy shit.

629
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,840
All the while the camera is going Blair witch on us, not focusing on a single thing.

630
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,440
And might I add the worst high pitch voice acting I've ever heard.

631
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880
That's my play by play of the grey.

632
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,880
What would you call it?

633
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,880
The grey?

634
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,880
The grey mask.

635
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,960
What do they call the event in Japan?

636
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960
The incident.

637
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,600
The incident, the grey incident.

638
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,040
That's that's the grey incident.

639
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,640
Grandpa grey incident.

640
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,640
Yeah.

641
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,560
So Romanek along with Jeff Heckman, who is just some random weird guy appeared on Larry

642
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,240
King Live in 2008 claiming to have recorded an alien peering into his window.

643
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:55,240
On May 30th, 2008, Heckman publicly screened the video at the Metropolitan State University

644
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,360
of Denver.

645
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
That forbid photos by reporters.

646
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,760
Heckman, I can't remember what he does.

647
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,960
I guess I'll just tell you.

648
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,960
No, I won't.

649
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,680
That's as much as I tell you about Heckman.

650
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:10,480
He was doing something to promote extraterrestrials at some point.

651
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
How he got tied to him was on Larry King, no idea.

652
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,800
I know this is a podcast about this, but I can only do so much.

653
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,640
In May 2008, Romanek was also interviewed on Coast to Coast AM.

654
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,640
George Norris suggested that Romanek take a lie detector test to prove the authenticity

655
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,360
of his alleged alien video to which Romanek agrees.

656
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,520
When the test was conducted later in 2008, Romanek failed on the question, is the boo

657
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,040
tape a hoax?

658
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,200
Romanek claimed that he had a medical condition which prevented a lie detector test from working

659
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,200
on him.

660
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
If he then tried to fight the machine.

661
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Funny, the only test he ever underwent to prove the authenticity of this, he failed.

662
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,280
Yeah, it's too bad.

663
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880
You can't do another one because you know, they're too expensive and you're sweaty or

664
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
something like that.

665
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
It's a medical condition.

666
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,840
All his medication got melted by the ETs.

667
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,080
Did they ask him about that?

668
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,640
And yes, yes, he was telling the truth on that one.

669
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,320
At the 2009 Mysteries of the Universe conference, Romanek claimed that he was set up by Norris

670
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,240
to fail the lie detector test.

671
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:20,800
Norris not that diabolical.

672
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Yeah, there's one thing that everybody knows about George Norris and that he's a plotter.

673
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Yeah.

674
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Son of a bitch.

675
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:33,080
A video expert consulted by Romanek claimed that the Denver Alien Video would have cost

676
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,080
50,000 to fake.

677
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,520
That could explain why he didn't have money to prove with the DNA test that the 90 was

678
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,520
Betty Hills.

679
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,640
However, the Paranormal Investigations team, Brian and Baxter, were supposedly able to

680
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,360
reproduce the video for about $90.

681
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,480
The original Boo video was uploaded to YouTube in August 2009, which quickly sparked popularity

682
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,040
among the UFO and alien research community.

683
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,080
So yes, you know the video.

684
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,080
We go on.

685
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:08,240
Appearing on ABC Primetime in 2009, Romanek made the unsubstantiated claims that he underwent

686
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:14,840
hypnosis by R. Leo Sprinkle, a psychologist who specializes in alien abduction cases.

687
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,280
He's come up on one of our episodes, but I can't remember where.

688
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,760
The name doesn't sound familiar, so I can't help you with that.

689
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,760
Really?

690
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,120
No, I'm pretty sure he's come up, but that's neither here nor there because neither of us

691
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,120
can remember.

692
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,000
Romanek claims that under hypnosis, he wrote out the Drake equation.

693
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Of course, we know that he times it by 100, which is a formula used to estimate the number

694
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,360
of communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy, but times 100.

695
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,960
And then added times 100 to it.

696
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,120
He's so far ahead.

697
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,120
That just proves it.

698
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,720
Yeah, 100 times ahead.

699
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:54,560
Joe Nicol from the Center for Inquiry suggested the equation was done through simple memorization.

700
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Yes.

701
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,720
I mean, yeah, I can't say he's wrong on that.

702
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,560
I mean, why would the Drake equation be beamed telepathically to Romanek?

703
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,240
We did an episode on this and it was created by humans.

704
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,240
Yeah.

705
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,240
To map the number of civilizations.

706
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,480
Francis Drake, he's up to some weird telepathic shit.

707
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,480
Yeah.

708
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,680
So at this point, I'm like, why does that prove anything to do with aliens and why would

709
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,640
the aliens know the Drake equation?

710
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Yeah.

711
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Why would they need to?

712
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,680
They know they exist and by extension that we exist.

713
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,360
So it's like a root point.

714
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,160
And why would they have a specific equation for the what exists in the Milky Way galaxy?

715
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,240
And why would it be exactly the same but times 100?

716
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,240
And plus they know we're here.

717
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,840
So why would they be calculated?

718
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,840
I don't know.

719
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,840
Yeah, exactly.

720
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,520
I was like, huh, why is this a huge thing for him?

721
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Okay.

722
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,960
So in the same interview, a real tell all, Romanek said that he had physical evidence

723
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,440
of his abduction experiences by way of an alien implant in his leg.

724
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,320
When a medical test for the implant was requested, Romanek said it disappeared.

725
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,360
It was fucking alien.

726
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
They're so crafty.

727
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,000
I would have blamed it on George again.

728
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Either that or the squinty alien.

729
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
He was totally up to something being all squinty like that.

730
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,920
In yet another interview this time in 2015 on the Peter Maxwell slatery show, Romanek

731
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,680
admitted to faking the strange movement of objects that occurred during a 2014 interview

732
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680
on the same show.

733
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,280
I'm not really sure what they're talking about there, but maybe you do and maybe that's

734
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,280
important.

735
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,280
While this says nothing about the authenticity of the Boo video, it has caused more skeptics

736
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,560
to doubt the authenticity of the video as it would.

737
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So now that that's out of the way.

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Now can we talk about the elephant in the room?

739
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It's a big one.

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So trigger warning and viewer discretion is advised and so on for what's coming up next.

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On February 13, 2014, Romanek was arrested after turning himself in at the Larimer counter

742
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,600
jail on charges of possessing and distributing child pornography, the outcome of an eight

743
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,320
month investigation launched by the US Department of Homeland Security.

744
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,640
More than 300 images as well as video files depicting child pornography were found on

745
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Romanek's computers and after appearing at the Larimer County Courthouse, Romanek was

746
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,320
released on a 20,000 personal recognizance bond.

747
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,760
In 2016, Romanek pleaded not guilty to both charges after refusing a plea deal from the

748
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,240
8th Judicial DA's office.

749
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,840
Also on February 2014, Romanek's wife, Lisa, said quote, we will be taking ufology into

750
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the courtroom end quote.

751
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,680
And news outlets love that.

752
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,040
They probably love that she said that.

753
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,720
After the trial, their defense attorneys, Colorado law firm McClintock and McClintock

754
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stated that they did not do this because it was not relevant to the case.

755
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,640
They advised Romanek to appeal the conviction and hire new defense counsel to handle and

756
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,280
appeal the case, which according to Romanek's attorneys is standard advice.

757
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Following the announcement of the verdict, Lisa Romanek said that they plan to file a

758
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,320
notice of appeal within the 45 day period.

759
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,600
I'm not sure if it says in here, but basically her argument was that people are trying to

760
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,040
discredit him with the groundbreaking UFO information that he has.

761
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,280
And this is the first time his wife came up.

762
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,360
Is she usually involved in his stuff?

763
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,760
She does appear in the documentary a little bit.

764
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,400
It's all, you know, crazy shit.

765
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600
So she was in the documentary.

766
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,240
Romanek made public allegations.

767
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,840
Oh, here, I just said it to you, but it says it in the next paragraph.

768
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,300
Romanek made public allegations that the government had planted the evidence on his computer at

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the sentencing hearing deputy district attorney Joshua Ritter accused him of deception to

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00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,360
try to place blame on others and doctoring evidence in the form of videos falsely alleging

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00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,200
that his computer had been hacked.

772
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Ritter disclosed that Romanek had even tried to frame his stepson Jacob Shaddock for placing

773
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
the pornography on his computer.

774
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,920
The prosecutor pointed out that even the defense team would not allow such fabricated evidence

775
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:57,920
in court.

776
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,680
By the late 2017, Romanek was found guilty of felony possession of child pornography,

777
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but not guilty of distribution of child pornography.

778
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,560
His sentencing was held December 14, 2017, where he was sentenced to serve two years

779
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,160
in the Larimer County Community Corrections halfway house and to register as a sex offender.

780
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,500
He reported immediately to jail to wait for space to become available at that facility.

781
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:26,440
As a sex offender, he is now subject to 10 years of intensive supervised probation,

782
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,320
not allowed to use computers or electronic devices on monitored and not allowed contact

783
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,720
with children under 18 without approval from the community corrections program.

784
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,320
What if they're just hiding behind his barbecue?

785
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,320
Exactly.

786
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520
But those were never real.

787
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,520
Let's admit it.

788
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,120
I know you never saw it, but trust me.

789
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,840
I feel like this is really going to hamper his electronic investigations into everything.

790
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,840
I know, I know.

791
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,720
I was just thinking that as I read it because that's all he did was walk around recording

792
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,720
things apparently.

793
00:40:55,720 --> 00:41:05,360
In 2017, Romanuck's attorney, Ted McClintock, I cannot get this word out, McClintock stated

794
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,120
that his client plans to appeal the conviction.

795
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,200
To date, no appeal has been filed.

796
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,820
The implementation of Romanuck's mandatory sex offender program has been delayed several

797
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:20,120
times and dragged out with him making unverified claims that physical illness were keeping him

798
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,720
from completely complying with the court orders.

799
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,520
And I love this article titled Man.

800
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,160
An extremely contagious illness prevents court appearance.

801
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:34,120
A Colorado alien abduction author and convicted sex offender says he has an extremely contagious

802
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,680
disease that prevents him from appearing in court.

803
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,640
April 17, 2019, 2.22 PM.

804
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Wow, he's actually like he's a year ahead of his time.

805
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Yep.

806
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,480
So, Love Land Colorado.

807
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,200
A Colorado alien abduction author and convicted sex offender says he has an extremely contagious

808
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800
disease that prevents him from appearing in court.

809
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,680
The Love Land reporter Harold reports Stanley Romanuck was scheduled for a status conference

810
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Tuesday but presiding 8th judicial district Judge Susan Blanco allowed Romanuck and his

811
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,280
attorney Allison Lee Rutenberg to appear via conference call.

812
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,320
The purported, contagious disease has led Romanuck to misseveral therapy sessions required

813
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,000
by his sentence which calls for two years of community corrections and at least 10 years

814
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,440
of sex offender intensive supervised probation.

815
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,920
Romanuck was found guilty in 2017 of felony possession of child pornography in his Love

816
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,920
Land home.

817
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,080
Romanuck was sentenced to two years and a half way house in order to register as a sex offender.

818
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,320
After these man-eating diseases caused him to misseveral court days during his original

819
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:42,520
sentence, Romanuck was re-sentenced on November 30, 2020 to 10 more years of intense supervised

820
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,520
probation.

821
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,160
The judge expressed concern that Romanuck was not taking responsibility for his crimes.

822
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,440
And that my friends is asshole Stanley Tiger Romanuck.

823
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Huh, Chelsea, this didn't come up in your episode but doing a little bit of googling

824
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,720
while this was going on, did you know Extraordinary is a trilogy?

825
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,720
What?

826
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:04,720
Yeah.

827
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:05,720
It is?

828
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:09,920
Yeah, it's done by a group called J3 Films and it's called, so the first one's Extraordinary

829
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,640
the Stan Romanuck story, next one is Extraordinary the Seating and the third one is Extraordinary

830
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,080
the Revelations which came out in 2021.

831
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,360
They had no idea.

832
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,200
And I was just looking at it and it might be on Amazon Prime, I'll have to take a look.

833
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Just listen to the names in this movie.

834
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,840
Oh no.

835
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,800
Narrated by Jimmy Church, the deepest voice in the UFO community.

836
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,520
And it also features names such as Richard Dolan, which is unfortunately not Richard

837
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Doe, that's a different guy.

838
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,240
Nick Pope, George Noiree.

839
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,240
What?

840
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,240
L.A. Marzulli.

841
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,200
This has a lot of names in it that are prominent people in the UFO community.

842
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,120
I found it because I was looking at the movie and I looked at the director's name and he's

843
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,680
associated with this company.

844
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,560
So this might be something to look into for a future episode.

845
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,560
For a future episode?

846
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Oh hell yeah.

847
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,720
I don't know how you can start a series off with that episode though.

848
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,280
And then continue it on.

849
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,880
Honestly, when I was watching it, I was like at the beginning I was like, this is shit.

850
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680
And I was like, I'm just going to stick it out.

851
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,680
I need to like do a summary of what's in the documentary at least, at the very least of

852
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,880
how like so we can make fun of how shitty it is.

853
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,960
And then he started talking and I was like, holy fuck.

854
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,680
This guy changes his story in the documentary while you're watching it.

855
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,680
I'm thinking we're all fools and we don't remember what he just said.

856
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,880
Yeah, that's Stanley and you see him even continue on.

857
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,280
Once he goes to court, he continues to kind of lie about things.

858
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,280
You just can't stop lying.

859
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,280
Yeah.

860
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,280
You can't stop.

861
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,160
This guy doesn't have a law practice and law degree behind his name to back up some of

862
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,400
his lies somewhat.

863
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,680
There's literally we have no idea where he came from.

864
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,360
The guy was in the special classes at high school.

865
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,360
Other than that, that's literally the only thing and he got stabbed by the crypts in

866
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,480
the bloods.

867
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,440
That's all we have for reference of what he does.

868
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:12,240
The aliens really seem fascinated to want to make alien hybrids out of him for some

869
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,240
reason.

870
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,760
I call him star seed.

871
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Maybe he was just really scoopable.

872
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,800
Scoops and alien implants, which glowed under black light.

873
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,880
I kind of want to give him another nickname.

874
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,880
Scoops.

875
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,880
Scoops.

876
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Tiger.

877
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,880
Stanley Tiger.

878
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,880
Scoops.

879
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,880
Roman.

880
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,520
So yeah, I didn't expect this to go where it went as well.

881
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Oh, wow.

882
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,520
I know.

883
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,360
I was quite pleased with this episode.

884
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,760
Yeah, it got a little dark at the end.

885
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,080
It did get very dark, but it was also something I knew nobody was going to be expecting.

886
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Yeah, huh.

887
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,960
But something everybody is expecting now is the end of this episode.

888
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,400
So it is coming to an end.

889
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,320
If there is one expected thing to happen in this episode, it is that.

890
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,120
And I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

891
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,600
We are Dream to the Fringe.

892
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,760
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

893
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,760
Bye.

894
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,280
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895
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:11,480
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897
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,760
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899
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900
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,800
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901
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,400
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902
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,720
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