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Chelsea, we were talking about Pablo Escobar's hippos a while ago.

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I can't remember what episode it was.

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It was a while ago and it was an opener.

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So I generally don't keep track of what episode openers were on.

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Until like the very end of December.

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Not even.

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Maybe the one we just did.

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I have an article out of the India Express.

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This is posted on March 3rd, 2023.

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And it's by the Associated Press out of Bogota.

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Okay.

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It is titled, Hippos living near Pablo Escobar's former Columbia Ranch

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may be shipped to India.

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So they may have found a home.

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What a twist.

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OK.

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Columbia is proposing transferring at least 70 hippopotamuses,

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which I really feel like it should be hippopotamai, but I assume they have it right.

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And that is a lot of hippopotamai.

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Hippopotamuses.

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Hippo-potom.

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Like that one.

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Hippo-potoms.

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Yes.

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I just realized I need to look up where this word comes from,

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because whoever named this fucking thing was way too fancy.

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Hippopotamuses.

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You don't think it was our old buddy capability, was it?

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Oh, no, no chance in hell.

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He was he's far too capable.

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Oh, yes.

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You didn't give a fuck about hippos.

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Anyhow, while you look that up, for how dangerous they are,

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you should not have to say there's a hippopotamus coming.

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Like if there's a moose running at you, super easy.

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It's a moose.

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No, not about mooses.

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It's super easy to say hippopotamus or it's a pack of them.

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You're right.

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It's dangerous if you're taking so much time to figure out how to say.

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Or, you know, in a panic, so you're you've got a tongue twister going on.

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That word down at that point.

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Yeah.

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You're fucked if you can't pronounce it.

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Anyhow, sorry.

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Columbia's proposing transferring at least 70 hippopotamuses

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that lived near Pablo Escobar's former ranch descendants of four

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imported from Africa illegally by the late drug lord in the 1980s to India

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and Mexico as part of a plan to control their population.

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The hippos, which are territorial and way up to three tons of spread

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far beyond the Jacinda Nepols Ranch, located 200 kilometers from Bogota

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along the Magdalena River.

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Environmental authorities estimate that about 130 hippos in the area

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in Antioca, Antioquia, Antioquia province and their population

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could reach 408 years.

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Escobar's, High Candonapolis and the hippos have become a sort of local

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tourist attraction in the years since the king pain was killed by police in 1993.

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When his ranch was abandoned, the hippos survived and reproduced in local

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rivers and favorable climatic conditions.

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Scientists warn the hippos do not have a natural predator in Columbia

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and are a potential problem for biodiversity since their feces change.

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The composition of the river and could impact the habitat of manatees and

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capybaras. Last year, Columbia's government declared them a toxic, invasive species.

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And the plan to take them to India and Mexico has been forming for more than a year.

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Said Lena Marcella de los delirios, Morales.

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That's quite the name.

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Just kept thinking it was ending and it was not.

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Director of Animal Protection and Welfare at Antioquia's Environmental Ministry.

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The hippos would be lured with food into large iron containers and transferred

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by truck to the International Airport in the city of Rio Negro, 150 kilometers away.

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From there, they will be flown to India and Mexico, where there are sanctuaries

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and zoos capable of taking care of these animals.

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This is possible to do.

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We already have experience relocating hippos and zoos nationwide.

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Said this guy, but the names are so long, I'm just going to forget that it's a name

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halfway through, so we're going to skip it.

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He is a spokesman for Coronary, the local environmental authority that would be

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in charge of the relocation.

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The plan is to send 60 hippos to the Green's Eulogical Resource and Rehabilitation

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Kingdom in Guaharets, India, which one of these people said would cover the

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cost of the container and airlift.

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Another 10 hippos would go to zoos and sanctuaries in Mexico, such as Ostock,

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located in Sinaloa, Sinaloa, maybe.

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I don't know.

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We work with Ernesto Zezueta, which is a very perfectly reasonably lengthed name,

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who is the president of sanctuaries and zoos in Mexico, who is the one who liaisons

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with different countries and manages the rescues, said the official.

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The plan is to focus on the hippos living in the river surrounding the Hacienda

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Neapol's Ranch, not the ones inside the ranch, because they are in a controlled

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environment and don't threaten the local ecosystem.

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The relocation would help control the hippo population.

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And though the native habitat is Africa, it is more humane than the alternative

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proposal of extermination as an invasive species.

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Ecuador, the Philippines and Botswana have all expressed their willingness to

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relocate Colombian hippos to their countries, according to Antiqua's

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governor's office.

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So yeah, that's the update.

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So they're trying a new thing.

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I have so many questions about this.

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I have minimal answers.

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Better than trying to track down the hippos'

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testicles, because it's proven very hard.

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It's impossible.

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It's been shipped them all around the world.

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But I love that it's such a problem for Colombia right now.

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All these other countries are like, oh, we'll take them.

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You got hippos?

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We'll take those hippos.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Is it a monkey paw situation where it's like, no, you just you wish you had hippos.

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You don't actually want hippos.

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Yeah, no, it is.

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Yeah, it's one of those situations.

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You just can't locate those testicles.

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It's all in the mysticism of the hippos.

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So as always, I guess we're going to keep an eye on these hippos

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and get into this episode.

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where real life Elmo sightings

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get the treatment they deserve, should they ever occur.

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Chelsea, does that happen to be the topic today?

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No, it does not.

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But it's on the list now.

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Well, we are your ever ready podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today, Chelsea has an episode on some fancy suited individuals, I believe.

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Almost.

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You guessed it.

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OK, you did tell me prep beforehand.

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So yes, you knew it was an Elmo.

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You set me up.

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I wish right now we had the copyright to the Men in Black song

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so that it could gently bring us into this episode.

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That would have been so cool.

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But alas, here we are, as cool as if we had the actual Men in Black song.

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So here's one which I think it's about time we got around to Men in Black.

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And my bee, Will Smith, probably being the most famous of my bees.

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Am I right in saying that?

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I don't know any of their other names.

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I have to just agree with myself on that one.

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Today, we're going to delve into some fun facts, sightings and other stuff.

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Maybe let's see what I put together for you today as we go through this

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like all my episodes.

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Who and what are the Men in Black?

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The Men in Black is a term used to describe mysterious men

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working for unknown organizations.

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Actually, you know what? I'm going to I'm calling bullshit.

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That seems like a massive assumption,

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because I do not believe anyone has actually confirmed

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that these men in black are actually being paid.

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No, nor have they confirmed who actually employs them.

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They don't necessarily work for pay per se.

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But exactly.

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So we can't say that they're employed for anyone

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working for unknown organizations.

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These fucking homeless people, they're terrorizing the country.

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Yeah, they could be.

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You never know.

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It's just a gross misunderstanding of the men in black.

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It could be slaves. I don't know.

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And they always say at the end of their visit that they would go for just 20 bucks.

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They get the 20 bucks and they just hop on the train and move on to the next town.

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Nobody ever gives it to them, though, from what I imagine.

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No, true.

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Or from what I've heard. Yeah.

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Sometimes they present a white card with the word security on it,

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but that proves nothing, I would think.

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I mean, I could write a security on a card and present it, but it doesn't mean shit.

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They've also been cited in Canada, United States, Australia and New Zealand.

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Maybe more when I search.

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Those are the ones that come up.

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So I can't confirm if they have been cited in other countries or not.

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They probably have.

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I just missed writing that one down.

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Way ahead of you, Taylor.

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Yes, there are WIB men in black, but they're limited edition, very rare.

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So if you're ever visited by a woman in black, I lottery ticket.

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Luck is on your side that day or not.

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Anyway, they usually have one main purpose.

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They threaten and scare people to muzzle witnesses of strange paranormal phenomena,

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mostly UFO oriented and are often very threatening as I kind of.

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Yep, I already said threatened and they warn people to give up their research into UFOs

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or not to speak about a sighting they had about a UFO.

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I just want to check at this point.

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Is it always UFO related?

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Yes, from all the ones that I've seen at least.

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Have you seen other wise?

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No, I was just curious if it was ever with regards to cryptids or just specifically

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alien sightings without UFOs.

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I don't have.

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Yeah, you bring up a good point.

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I don't have.

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Yes, I do.

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You actually I do talk about it.

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It is in relation to cryptids as well, because all my like real life sightings I have in

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this are UFO related.

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They do have a few just one off mentions that are cryptid related, which there is a famous

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one that I'll get to that I'll go through.

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So I just about misspoke there.

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Yeah.

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And also, I do know of probably bleep out his name at this point, but the

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sighting isn't particularly about a UFO per se.

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Kind of is.

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I know.

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It's kind of and also it's only kind of a sighting because it's not actually one.

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He's involved.

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And we're going to talk about that one as well.

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So yes and no.

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I mean, some of the cryptid sightings that we'll talk about have been sighting in

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conjunction with UFOs, not all the time, but it's kind of a gray area, I would say.

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I'm going to leave it at that.

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And then we can just go through this.

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So they almost always appear unannounced.

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Almost always.

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Again, all of these are just kind of send some people.

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Some people are holding positions.

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That was sometimes they do.

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You'll see.

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As with everything we do with cryptids and paranormal stuff, it's kind of like

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what are the majority of things, but there's always outliers, of course.

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The M.I.B. even go as far as appearing out of nowhere.

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Yeah, materializing, right?

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Materializing.

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That's the frickin word I'm looking for.

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Fucking words are disappearing right in front of your eyes.

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They almost always wear black suits and hats with dark sunglasses.

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And I say almost always, but it is always that they're wearing black.

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All the ones that you are going to be cataloging.

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Yeah, they've never really shown up in like a pair of Bermuda.

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Yeah, they got called in from vacation really quick.

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They're described as being incredibly tall, drive outdated black cars and arrive

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in groups of two or three and have been overheard referring to each other by

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numbers instead of names.

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That matches the movie like specifically.

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Oh, yeah.

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I also believe that the reason that you say almost always unannounced, I fully

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believe after that movie came out, those cars are always blasting Will Smith's

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Men in Black rap.

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This is loud as possible, which technically counts as an announcement.

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For they say, here come the men in black.

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I know.

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I mean, if there is a song with my name in it, I'd probably always be blasted

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in that wherever I was expected or not expected as well.

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It's just my theme song.

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Never get into the clandestine activities.

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Chelsea.

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I try my hardest.

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They're also described as being cold and emotionless or often behaving strangely.

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Some may say not even fully human behaved and witnesses have reported supernatural

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features like glowing eyes, strange complexions, blank faces, shaved heads, no

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eyebrows, monotone voice, pale skin.

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Some witnesses even report the smell of sulfur present with their interactions

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with the men in black.

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I don't believe I actually talk about one, but it's in there.

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Just be just be aware of that.

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I mean, they could just because they lack social cues, they could be passing

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gas around everyone.

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And in everyone's defense, I mean, I feel like sometimes I don't even

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actively human.

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Just be gentle on your judgments.

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If you come across some black thing, we have a tough day.

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Chelsea, correct me if I'm wrong.

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John Keele is the first person to talk about these guys, right?

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Yes, you're bringing up everything that I'm going to talk about in my head.

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This OK.

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OK, we'll get to it.

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I know what vaguely lost about.

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Do you want to bring up anything else that's going to be in this episode?

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Have we ever confirmed that the men in black, each individually look different?

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Or could it be just a man in black?

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It could. It could be a clone.

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Well, I just mean one guy that's going around doing all this shit.

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Well, he's always with people.

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Oh, true.

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So you could be having double vision, maybe every time you see this guy.

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Thank you for actually looking into that woman in black.

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Do they ever commingle?

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Would it ever be a group of both men and women in black?

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I don't know.

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I would assume so because it's so rare to see one.

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Like you assume that they separate?

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No, you would see them together.

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OK.

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Because like you'd be really lucky to see three women in black.

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It was.

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Yeah, but maybe she just like operates alone and she's the outlier.

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She could be.

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Like I said, these are not all rules to some of them are exceptions.

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So it very well could be just like them having jobs.

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We could be making a really big assumption here.

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OK, so also some really strange things they do.

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Some witness accounts report being questioned about microwaves being in their

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presence if it's on to turn it off, if there is one in the house when they're around.

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They try to drink Jell-O.

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Now, this one I'm a little bit curious on as to how this came up naturally.

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Yeah, just to be fair, what I am envisioning is somebody offered them up cups of Jell-O

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and the clearly awkward man in black who did this didn't see the spoons and didn't

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want to seem rude.

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So just like slurped it back.

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We've all done like Jell-O shots around.

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Shots are a thing.

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Yeah, they are.

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I'm picturing it's dessert time with the family and because they show up unannounced,

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they didn't know it was dessert time and they were having Jell-O.

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So of course they get offered Jell-O.

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They just didn't know what to do with it.

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So they drank it.

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Or did they specifically request the Jell-O and then try to drink it because they're

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like that's can I offer you anything to drink?

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Yes, Jell-O.

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That would truly be the bizarre thing that they prefer to drink Jell-O.

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And that is their beverage of choice.

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Yeah, it's kind of like actually in the Men in Black movie where the guy asked for

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sugar water and they think that's weird.

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Yeah, but it's Jell-O.

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Like in real life, it's Jell-O, not sugar water.

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And actually, no, if you asked for that too, it wouldn't have settled by the time

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they brought it to you.

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So you could drink it.

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Oh, that's true.

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You'd have to be pre-prepared for the Men in Black visiting.

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Now, that is a lesson to keep in mind.

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Always never have Jell-O prepared because everyone knows Jell-O is their drink of

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choice. Men in Black love Jell-O.

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It's said Jell-O.

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They love to drink it.

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OK, they also do not know what a ballpoint pen is.

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It's come up again.

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Same question as a Jell-O.

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How in the hell did that come up?

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Like, do they know how other types of pen works?

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Feather or anything?

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I can't explain a ballpoint pen.

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No.

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Why is there not a quill in your hand?

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And where they like, can I borrow a pen?

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And someone was like, sure, here's a ballpoint.

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They're like, what the fuck's up with that?

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Yeah.

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I can't touch that.

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It is unclean.

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Like fucking garlic to a vampire.

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Eat that, but it'll take some Jell-O.

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OK, so those are some things about the Men in Black for you to know.

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Let's start with, well, not really start because I already

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started. Let's move on to the Men in Black origin story.

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Love a good origin story.

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June 27, 1947, to a man, a boy and a dog.

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That's what I'm going to call this story.

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Earl Dahl, the man.

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He does get a name.

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He was on a conservation mission in the Puget Sound near the eastern

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shore of Washington's Moorie Island.

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If that sounds familiar.

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Oh, we could do a research expedition.

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It's not that far away.

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You could.

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It's come up recently in a recent episode as well.

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That sounds familiar to you in our foot episode.

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Same area.

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This man does have both of his feet.

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Oh, as far as we know.

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For now.

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Does it come up?

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For now.

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His feet literally never come up in the story.

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So he could have showed up in a previous episode of O'Feed.

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He could have been his.

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So the man was gathering logs when he saw six doughnut shaped

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obstacles.

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Your way to put it.

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Objects.

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Obstacles.

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I do know how to read that word.

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I'm identifying it almost perfectly.

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OK.

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He said obstacles in which he probably does mean objects hovering

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about half a mile above his boat.

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For a long one of them fell nearly 1500 feet followed by.

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Yeah, he's gathering logs with his boat.

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Yeah.

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OK, like a beachcomber.

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OK, I didn't question it, but it could have been.

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There's a lot of logging in this area in which they keep logs.

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The famous show that our parents used to watch Beachcomber's in Canada.

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I thought that was what that show was all about, like grabbing

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arid logs or something.

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I don't know.

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I never watched the show.

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OK, OK.

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I've never even heard of it.

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But yeah, they do keep logs in rivers for like paper mills and stuff

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like that because there's so much logging for stuff.

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Don't worry about it.

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I'd rather put it that way, actually, because I don't fucking know.

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OK, so one of them falls down, raining metallic debris, some of which

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hits doll's son, the boy on the arm, as well as the family dog dog.

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Fortunately, he didn't survive the ordeal, the dog.

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Doll was able to take some pictures of the aircraft with his camera,

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which he later showed to his supervisor, Fred Christman.

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This sounds like someone wasn't being very creative on that last name.

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Somebody's making up names.

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Yeah.

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And somebody's also not capable in their jobs, or they would have nicknamed him such.

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A skeptical Christman went back to the scene to look for himself and saw a

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strange aircraft with his own eyes, which is weird.

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You wouldn't think it would still be there.

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Following morning, doll was visited by a man in a black suit.

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They ended up at a local diner where the man was able to recount in extraordinary

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detail what doll had just experienced.

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Well, what I have said is proof to you that I know a great deal more about this

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experience of yours than you will want to believe.

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The man said drinking a cup of.

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Can't even get it out.

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The man said drinking a cup of Jell-O.

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That was too easy.

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Doll was told not to speak of the incident.

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If he did, bad things would happen.

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The supposed events of Morrie Island have continued to fuel conspiracy theories to

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this day, even though a US government investigation dean did a hoax.

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Take what you will from the government saying it's a hoax.

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But, doll and crimson did later admit as much.

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So there's that.

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Remember when NASA said like, no, we're going to debunk all this stuff and they're

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like, oh, wait, yeah, maybe we shouldn't spend money on that because that will just

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feed everything.

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Yeah, just avoid.

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Yeah.

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So this was read to a much larger audience as it was published in a book by Gray

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Barker titled quote, they knew too much about flying saucers and quote, I have to admit

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is a little disappointed needs a better name.

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Well, it does need a better name, but I was disappointed by the origin story.

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But I feel like I'm let down by a lot of things we do in episodes on this podcast.

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I'm sad a dog had to die for this story.

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I know, but since it's a hoax, I'm hoping the dog is alive.

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Maybe there just wasn't a dog.

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That would be the best thing.

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Yeah, I don't want the dog not to exist.

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OK, so dog didn't die.

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And I feel bad for the dog still.

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Maybe that was the hoax.

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The dog is still alive 80 years later.

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Best story ever.

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We fixed it.

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So our new tagline for Journey to the Fringe should be just like we came up

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with better ones on the lawn episode.

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This one's going to be you're going to be let down things for listening.

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So that's the origin story, the disappointing origin story of the men in black.

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Let's get into a few little tidbits and sightings that Taylor already ruined for us.

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And I would just like to say at this point, it's only man in black.

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Is it not?

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Yes, the made up man was a man in black.

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Yes.

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So men in black have famously been cited in conjunction with the Mothman sightings.

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Thanks, John Keel.

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The Dover Demon sightings.

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I don't know.

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We haven't done the Dover Demon, have we?

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It's familiar, but I don't think we've done an episode on it.

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I don't think we have either, because I'm not sure that I know what that is.

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And I feel like if we did it, we would know.

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Yeah.

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Or specifically.

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So I feel like we're going to have to do that.

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OK, well, it's going on the list.

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It'll get there eventually.

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There have also been reports of Bigfoot researchers who had the hair samples

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confiscated by two men in dark suits driving a black sedan.

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That sounds awfully specific for it to be more than one.

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What could be anybody?

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Dark suits?

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They need to be black.

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Come on.

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You never know.

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The lighting could have been bad.

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There could have been some confusion and there was no Jell-O, so they couldn't be sure.

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Yeah.

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In the mid 1950s, ufologist Albert K. Bender was about to unveil a paper

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that was supposedly going to reveal that the US government had, to one degree or another,

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covered up proof of UFOs.

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He planned on publishing his findings in the space review.

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That was until he was visited by men in dark suits again, who threatened and warned him

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not to continue investigating UFOs, Bender claimed.

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These men visited him in his house and commuted with him telepathically, received a metal disc

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from them and instruction.

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Would that be a DVD?

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He reported that he felt like he was being transported.

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These men apparently shared insights in their nature of UFOs.

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These men shared the origins of UFOs with Bender.

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That seems like the same sentence said twice, but in different ways.

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But that just seems to me counterintuitive.

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They're like, hey, don't talk about your experience with UFOs, but also don't talk

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about these secrets I'm about to disclose to you.

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To make sure you keep the secret, I'm going to give you more secrets.

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I'm going to give you better secrets.

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That secret's not even good.

499
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160
It's kind of like if you don't want somebody to spill the beans on a secret,

500
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,000
you're telling them, you make them give you shit on them.

501
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,600
You need to know. Yeah, you need to know.

502
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,920
Exactly. So that's maybe he did this in a backward sort of way.

503
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,400
And maybe that's the paranormal thing where you're like, wow, that's not a human thing to do.

504
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,480
What an alien.

505
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Let's speak from another planet.

506
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,800
He's confused.

507
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,120
Again, don't judge.

508
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,040
He might just have been having a hard brain day and his brain wasn't working.

509
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,920
It was a hard day at the office.

510
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,560
We've all been there.

511
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Yeah.

512
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,320
He was feeling overworked for the company that's not paying him.

513
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,360
Thinking about where Rance going to come from.

514
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,200
Yeah, exactly.

515
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,760
You'd better think something about.

516
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,560
So afterwards, Bender became really ill and didn't eat for three days.

517
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,880
As a result of the visitation, Bender felt encouraged to share what he had seen

518
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840
with other UFO investigators, but was refused.

519
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,000
Bender suffered frequent headaches after the three men visited him and his co-workers reported

520
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,120
that he seemed scared.

521
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,240
His experiences were recorded in, again, we already heard about this poorly named book.

522
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280
They knew too much about Flying Saucers by Gray Barker.

523
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,160
Or he is again.

524
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Who was Bender's IFSB associate?

525
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,520
No idea what those letters mean at all.

526
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,520
And we're not going to find out.

527
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Bender's experience formed the legend of the men in black.

528
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,720
Bender did not speak of the event for nine years.

529
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,280
And in 1962, Bender wrote Flying Saucers and the three men to tell his own story.

530
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Very straight to the point.

531
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,480
In the book, Bender recounts that the men in black were from another planet.

532
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,640
Barker published his book, but there is speculation that Bender's experience was only a dream.

533
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,960
And Bender went on to manage a motel in California.

534
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040
I always got the good stories, guys.

535
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,880
So let's move on from that.

536
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,320
We need to stop at this point.

537
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,240
And Chelsea, did you actually Google IFSB?

538
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Oh, certainly did not.

539
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,800
You're certain that she was not his Islamic financial service board member?

540
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,160
I cannot affirm that I did not know that.

541
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,840
OK.

542
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,680
Or that they are not that to him.

543
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600
That just adds another hole to go down for the rabbit hole.

544
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,840
It does. It does.

545
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,600
So let's get off that guy.

546
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,520
He's now managing a motel or something.

547
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,680
And that's not where we're interested in.

548
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,680
And still alive.

549
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,640
Like that dog.

550
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Yeah. Exactly.

551
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560
It's only happy stories on this episode.

552
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,200
Toledo, Ohio, 1956.

553
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,000
Robert Richardson is the subject of this one.

554
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Robert Richardson was driving along, minding his own business supposedly.

555
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,720
At least how the story goes.

556
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,720
I have my doubts.

557
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,160
And a fucking UFO comes out of nowhere and he hits it.

558
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Die.

559
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,960
Yeah.

560
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,360
Like so he just hits it.

561
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560
On impact, it vanishes.

562
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,680
However, not without a trace.

563
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Rather, leaving behind a small chunk of metal,

564
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,000
because that's what was left of the wreck.

565
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280
So Richardson takes it with him to wherever he goes after.

566
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,520
Week later, Richardson is visited by two men in black suits.

567
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,920
And they asked for the metal to which Richardson said he turned it over for testing.

568
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,920
His men were pissed.

569
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,720
They told him, quote, if you want your wife to stay as pretty as she is,

570
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,520
then you'd better get the metal back.

571
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,040
And that is such a weird threat.

572
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,080
It is.

573
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840
So that was the only encounter he had ever had with them.

574
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,960
He has no idea who they were and how they knew about the metal.

575
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,080
And if I was having doubts about if somebody knew about the metal I had,

576
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,000
I probably would have been like what metal?

577
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,520
Because a week later, I probably would have forgotten all about the metal, first of all.

578
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280
God, you're like one of those eight year olds to send back in time.

579
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,640
Yeah.

580
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,640
I can't what metal?

581
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,200
I think my dad has it.

582
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,800
I left it at school.

583
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,280
So that is an encounter that happened to Robert Richardson.

584
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,640
Short and sweet.

585
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,000
He's, I don't know, not owning a motel in California at this point.

586
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,080
So there's that.

587
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,440
Next, John Keel.

588
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Briefly, you guys, I'm sorry.

589
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,360
We haven't even talked about John Keel yet.

590
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,720
We will in the future.

591
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,400
A long time ago and then not for a while.

592
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Yeah.

593
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,160
He writes about the Men in Black and the Mothman prophecies

594
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600
is mostly where the Men in Black encounters come from,

595
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,640
because I've done quite a few episodes on the Mothman at this point,

596
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,560
that in Chicago and not once did Men in Black come up.

597
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,840
No, and most famously, not where John Keel looked at the Mothman either.

598
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,360
Yeah.

599
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:40,520
So I would say they're pretty much exclusively tied to John Keel's Mothman encounters.

600
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,600
He refers to the Men in Black as demonic supernaturals,

601
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,760
dark skin and or exotic facial features,

602
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,680
and he popularizes the term M.I.B.

603
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,280
While this stuff is happening,

604
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,320
while we get our crappy origin story and stuff like that,

605
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:02,560
their sightings, John Keel kind of brings that into culture.

606
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,960
No, I don't think that's the word I'm looking for.

607
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,160
The zeitgeist.

608
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Yeah, in the popularity within the UFO field.

609
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,560
The mainstream.

610
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,520
That's a fucking weird fear.

611
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Yeah, yeah, the mainstream.

612
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Oh, do I want to talk more about John Keel?

613
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,360
No, that's it.

614
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,120
None of this is really relevant.

615
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,360
Enough about Keel.

616
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,440
Let's take a moment to talk about someone much more interesting.

617
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Anna Acorid as predicted by Taylor.

618
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,520
I just loved Anna Acorid when you actually listened to him talk.

619
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,320
He's not particularly interesting.

620
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,480
I don't think he really adds anything.

621
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Have you watched any of those interviews that he does?

622
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,880
They're not good.

623
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Yeah.

624
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000
Also, just famously,

625
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Dan Acorid is very much so in the paranormal community.

626
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Rote Ghostbusters is basically based off of his research into the paranormal.

627
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520
Yeah, so that's one of the things that I put in here.

628
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,640
Oh, go ahead then.

629
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Oh, no, that's fine.

630
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Yeah, but basically what Taylor's saying,

631
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,400
he did co-write the Ghostbusters as a result of his interest in the paranormal.

632
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360
He's also super interested in the paranormal.

633
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520
And I did not know this.

634
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,680
He's an official Hollywood representative of Mufon.

635
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Do you know that?

636
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,040
No.

637
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,280
Oh, I know.

638
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,560
We're learning new things about Dan Acorid.

639
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,920
I'm just going with the assumption that everybody knows who Dan Acorid is.

640
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120
And I'm not explaining shit.

641
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Anyway, maybe he would be a good guy to do a full episode on one day.

642
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,560
They're not as good at interviews.

643
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,720
This episode is just about the MIB experience he had.

644
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Well, not this episode, just this part.

645
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Dan Acorid has actually produced a handful of paranormal UFO TV shows and movies

646
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,800
that differ from the Ghostbusters.

647
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Their actual accounts of how they, quote, are already among us,

648
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,280
including PSI factor, Chronicles of the Paranormal,

649
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,280
and Dan Acorid unplugged on UFOs.

650
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,040
So here's how the story goes.

651
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,080
He's really cool.

652
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,160
His family has roots really far back in like the occult I was reading about him.

653
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,840
That's why I think he'd be a good person to have an episode on.

654
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,640
In 2002, Acorid was signed on as the executive producer and host of a show

655
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,960
called Out There with Dan Acorid in the early 2000s.

656
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,760
The show would feature interviews with famous UFO experts and stories

657
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,920
highlighting extraterrestrial interactions, things like alien abductions,

658
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,280
cattle mutilations, and crop circles.

659
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Out There was greenlit by the sci-fi channel and the production team filmed eight episodes,

660
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,120
a whole eight of them.

661
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,720
According to Acorid, the network pulled the show at the last minute.

662
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,320
Acorid received the news of the show's cancellation as they were filming the last bit

663
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,240
for the final episode of the season.

664
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,800
Suspicion abounds among the UFO community and online forums

665
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,160
because not only was the show canceled without explanation,

666
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,960
the episodes have never been released on DVD,

667
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,280
and they have never been made available to be seen by the public.

668
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,600
Because the show was owned by sci-fi,

669
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Acorid was not allowed to release the episodes himself.

670
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Now, here's where it gets weirder.

671
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Acorid recounts while taking a break during the taping of the final episode of Out There,

672
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,680
he went outside to smoke a cigarette on the street.

673
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,320
While he was out, alleges that a block forward sedan was parked across the street.

674
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,280
And the car were two incredibly tall, angry, blank-faced men staring at him.

675
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,960
I don't know how you would identify that they're angry with a blank face,

676
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,800
but here we are, you just know it.

677
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680
So, Dan Acorid was on the phone at the time,

678
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,600
and according to his version of the events, he looked away for less than a second.

679
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,840
And when he looked back at the sedan, the men had vanished.

680
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Acorid claims he would have had to see the car drive past him to leave

681
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360
because they were on a one-way street in the middle of New York City.

682
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,120
After he re-entered the building to resume shooting,

683
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Acorid received the news within a couple of hours of the show's cancellation,

684
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
and he was told to stop filming immediately.

685
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Spooky.

686
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040
That's Dan Acorid's encounter with the men in black.

687
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,360
It's probably the most detailed one we have yet.

688
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,080
But he really had like no actual interaction with them.

689
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,920
No, not at all.

690
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,840
It was all just like secondhand and he vaguely saw some people that looked weird.

691
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760
I mean, we all see people that look weird all the time.

692
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,480
That's weird.

693
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880
So next one is Dr. Herbert Hopkins.

694
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,280
He was working as a consultant on a UFO case in Maine.

695
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,600
One evening, he received a phone call from someone purporting

696
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320
to be an activist in the UFO community,

697
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,960
asking him if he was alone and if he could visit Hopkins to discuss the case.

698
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Only minutes later, the man arrived, like freakishly fast,

699
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840
like he hung up the phone and then he went to the front door.

700
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,840
But he was just outside the office, yeah.

701
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,840
And he was there.

702
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Oh, that gives me a...

703
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,880
To be fair, I might do that.

704
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,360
Just conversation you don't want your face attached to.

705
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680
So you call them beforehand and they'll go, OK, good.

706
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,920
OK, good. I'm standing outside.

707
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,600
But it'd be awkward if I told you that.

708
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760
So I'm just going to show up and not mention it.

709
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Yeah, exactly.

710
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,480
I'm glad you're at home.

711
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040
They're all saying, look like an idiot because I'm already here at your front door.

712
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:02,280
The man was wearing a black suit and a black tie and had very unusual facial appearances

713
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,160
with no hair, eyelashes or eyebrows.

714
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,320
So the poor guy had alopecia.

715
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,520
And didn't want to be seen in public, so he wanted to call ahead.

716
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Yeah, poor guy.

717
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,720
So it was extremely pale, like a doll, and his lips were ruby red.

718
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880
So super weird looking.

719
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,000
I would find that super probably weird as well.

720
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
No hair or anything, but like red lips.

721
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,240
The image of my mind is actually pretty funny.

722
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,480
His speech was expressionless and monotone like a robot.

723
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Upkins dog began barking erratically the minute the man entered the home.

724
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,360
After the bizarre visitor was finished questioning him about the UFO case,

725
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,080
the visit got even stranger.

726
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Here's how it went according to the website, The Night Sky.

727
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,000
Here we go.

728
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,280
Man in black informed Hopkins that there were two coins in Hopkins pocket,

729
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,320
which was correct, says, and asked him to remove one.

730
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Hopkins complied and held the coin, a shiny new penny in the palm of his hand.

731
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
The M.I.B. told Hopkins to watch the coin closely.

732
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:11,080
After a few moments, the coin took on a silvery appearance and then appeared to be going out of focus.

733
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,320
It then began to fade in and out, eventually disappearing altogether.

734
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,720
The M.I.B. informed Hopkins that the coin would never be seen on this plane again.

735
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,280
So there you have it. There also thieves, fine thieves.

736
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Then inquired as to whether Hopkins was familiar with alleged UFO abductee Barney Hill.

737
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Hopkins replied that he has heard of Hill, but was under the impression that he had died in the not too distant past.

738
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,200
The M.I.B. informed Hopkins that that was correct.

739
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:43,120
Quote, Barney didn't have a heart, end quote, said the M.I.B.

740
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Requote, it's like you no longer have a coin, end quote.

741
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,240
It should be noted that Barney Hill actually died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

742
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,440
M.I.B. then gently suggested that Hopkins destroy any material that he had related to the UFO case.

743
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,400
So that's a lot to unpack right there.

744
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Yeah, he's making up lies about Ernie Hill.

745
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,880
Hopkins, extremely shaken by the encounter, followed the advice of the man and burned all the files he had related to the case.

746
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Oh, that is extreme.

747
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,440
I feel like if I was scared enough, I would just pack him up and put him like in another room.

748
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Seems extreme.

749
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,640
So while he had repeated phone troubles after the experience.

750
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,960
This sounds like a guy who knew how to burn documents fast.

751
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Yeah, you gotta know how.

752
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Oh, it's just like my last case.

753
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,640
He had no UFO files left.

754
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Yeah.

755
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
He was horrible at his job.

756
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,400
The M.I.B. then gently suggested he had no other options but to become an M.I.B.

757
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,040
He just wrote security on a white card.

758
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,680
I defiantly don't pay.

759
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:48,480
Yeah.

760
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:55,280
So the phone company said his line had been tampered with and he never saw the man again.

761
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,240
So that's like a super weird encounter.

762
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,880
Again, I mean, none of these are really normal encounters.

763
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Again, they might be having tough days.

764
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Who are we to judge?

765
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Paul Miller was returning home after a hunting trip when they saw a luminous disc in the sky.

766
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,480
This landed in an empty field and two humanoids emerged from the craft.

767
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,520
They're fired his gun at them.

768
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,400
I always get a kick out of people who do this and believe to have injured one.

769
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,040
It's so amazing.

770
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,760
Like it's at least 10% of the populations.

771
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Like so anyways, I'm going to shoot because I don't know if it's safe or not.

772
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Shoot first, ask questions later.

773
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,880
I believe is how that go.

774
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,000
He believed to have injured one of them when he fled down a railroad in his car.

775
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,320
However, in that moment, he realized he had lost time as he was fleeing, I guess is what that refers to.

776
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,720
It was almost three hours later than when he first encountered the craft.

777
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,720
He shrugged it off and went back to his Air Force job the next day.

778
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:02,320
I would chalk it up to shoot in way more than you thought you were.

779
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,360
Yeah.

780
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,720
You were just having so much fun.

781
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,760
Yeah.

782
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,320
For three more hours.

783
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Yeah.

784
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Three.

785
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Yes.

786
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,440
It happens.

787
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,720
So he goes back to his Air Force job.

788
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,960
However, upon entering work, he was immediately confronted by three men in black suits.

789
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,440
He told him that they had his file, despite having told nobody about the event.

790
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,320
The men said they knew all about it and mentioned that the encounter would be best forgotten.

791
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,520
It did go on for three hours.

792
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,560
So.

793
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Yeah.

794
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Let's just.

795
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,680
We've heard that you love to do this.

796
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,200
Paul, you need to stop.

797
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,160
We're going to stop people from talking about it.

798
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,720
Just move on with your life.

799
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,760
Yeah.

800
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,520
So this is what Paul says.

801
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
They seem to know everything about me.

802
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,520
How long I shot for, where I worked, my name, everything else.

803
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,360
They also ask questions about his experiences as if they already knew the answers.

804
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Miller, terrified, did not come forward about his experience until years later.

805
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,720
Sorry.

806
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,760
What does that mean?

807
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,080
The ask questions like, so you're an asshole, right?

808
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,360
Yeah.

809
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,800
We know you are.

810
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,840
We know you are because you shot for three hours.

811
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,480
Yeah.

812
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,280
You keep losing time shooting for so long.

813
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,760
You kind of seem like an asshole.

814
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,760
That's just a short little one.

815
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,760
This one's more well known.

816
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,320
I believe I've heard about you.

817
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Probably heard about this one too as well.

818
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,040
This is one of the first pictures of M.I.B.

819
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Oh, is it in the hotel?

820
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,400
No, I'm going to talk about that when you keep spoiling my topics.

821
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,760
I know a lot about the men in black.

822
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
I'm going to describe it to you.

823
00:38:54,080 --> 00:39:00,280
So it's just this guy in New York, like standing in a little inlet wearing a top hat.

824
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Oh, I haven't seen this one.

825
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Really?

826
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,920
So this is the first man in black captured on film.

827
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,320
If you've heard any story, this is a really famous men in black story.

828
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,680
UFO researcher Jack Robinson and his wife, Mary, began to experience extremely

829
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,320
strange events as they pursued more alien and UFO related research.

830
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,280
They would come home to find their house rummaged through,

831
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,880
rummaged and looked through and their UFO files disturbed.

832
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,800
Mary also began to notice a strange man in a black suit and hat staring up at their

833
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,360
apartment from the doorway.

834
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:38,160
Mary mentioned this activity to a friend, the activity being window watching men

835
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,560
looking into their apartment.

836
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,200
I don't know.

837
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,280
So the friend drove over.

838
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,240
He was interested.

839
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
He was like, OK, I got to see this activity.

840
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,000
I'm going to partake in it as well.

841
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,280
He drove over and saw what she was talking about for himself after the couple had

842
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
noticed the man in black three days in a row.

843
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Friend Tim Green-Beckley snapped a photo, which is the one that you saw.

844
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,840
I'll post it to the socials is believed to have been one of the most iron clad

845
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960
pieces of proof of the men in black.

846
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
I mean, this guy does look like he's wearing a top hat.

847
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Yeah, that.

848
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,920
I didn't think they'd be that fancy.

849
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,160
I don't think they are.

850
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,400
And also, like outside of their description of the photo.

851
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,920
Sorry, I assume we're looking at the same photo.

852
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,000
It's a guy kind of standing behind a pillar and kind of it looks like underneath

853
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,960
an awning like it might be raining outside or just hiding kind of.

854
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Yeah, either or staring out into space a little bit, not necessarily out of space.

855
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Like he's waiting for a car.

856
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,640
OK, that's the same look.

857
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,000
I mean, pre smartphone, that's what you would look like looking for a car that's

858
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,120
coming to pick you up.

859
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,320
That's true. That's true.

860
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,760
Yeah, so that's the story behind this picture.

861
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,640
I wouldn't say he looks out of the ordinary or out of place or a threatening or.

862
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,520
The problem is you don't know anything around him, so you can't say if it's out

863
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,720
of the ordinary, like it could be a slum area, but.

864
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,160
And he's definitely not looking up into any apartments.

865
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,800
No, I can tell.

866
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,120
Yeah, that's a men in black autograph.

867
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,960
It is unfortunate that they're the only ones who can give reference to this photo

868
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,320
or place it to where it is to give it anything that might make it part of the M.I.B.

869
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,320
Yeah, nothing at all does that.

870
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,880
Sorry, why is it not shorting to Mib?

871
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,720
John Keel is all I can say.

872
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,920
OK, you can thank fucking John Keel for that.

873
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,720
Fucking John Keel.

874
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,360
Yeah.

875
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,760
M.I.B. is just kind of a mouthful and men in black almost feels like the same amount

876
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,080
of work mouthwise.

877
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Mib, no, it's less work to say Mib.

878
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,080
It is less work. Yeah.

879
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Definitely more to say M.I.B.

880
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,760
Next one that you've also just alluded to.

881
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,160
I hate your false October 14 2008.

882
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,720
I mean, you've done some nice foreshadowing with this episode.

883
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,520
If there's one thing we're known for, it's foreshadowing.

884
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,680
It is.

885
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,720
And if there's another thing we're known for, it's our catchphrases.

886
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,120
It's true.

887
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,160
And Woody Bantor to take forth with you into situations

888
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,720
in which you would like to feel less awkward and more human.

889
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,720
Yeah, conversation starters is really what this podcast is all about.

890
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,720
Exactly.

891
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,720
I mean, nobody wants to be questioned on their humaneness.

892
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,120
So as I'm feeling for the M.I.B. in this episode,

893
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,560
no one likes to be made fun of when someone's

894
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,120
feeling less human some days.

895
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,160
So this next encounter takes place in Niagara Falls.

896
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160
Not sure which side United States or Canada.

897
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,600
It could make all the difference.

898
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Maybe it was in the falls.

899
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,520
We don't know.

900
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,160
It probably wasn't in the falls.

901
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,360
I don't know.

902
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160
It's not in the fall yet.

903
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,760
October 14 2008.

904
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,760
Hotel manager Shane Sovar, an unnamed hotel security guard,

905
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,760
reported seeing a large triangle UFO outside of the hotel.

906
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,920
Aerial phenomenon investigations team looked into this sighting.

907
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,120
I have never heard of this organization.

908
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,560
I think that's the first time it's ever come up in our podcast, too.

909
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,400
It has.

910
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Yeah.

911
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,320
Literally never heard of it ever.

912
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Maybe that's who the M.I.B. are working for because they're so small

913
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,360
they can't pay anybody.

914
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,360
So they reported that a couple of weeks later,

915
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,320
according to three other witnesses that two men in black visit,

916
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,960
there's this is a lot of people relaying a story.

917
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,720
It's like telephone at this point.

918
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,680
They say the witnesses that is and then the witnesses say to the organization

919
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,920
then the organization tells us that two men in black visited the hotel

920
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,920
and terrified the hotel staff.

921
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,960
And we're looking for Shane and the man named Hotel Security Guard

922
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,920
and they were not there at the time.

923
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,560
On word of this or return back to work,

924
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,520
Shane, the hotel manager, reviewed the hotel security footage

925
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,760
and the men appeared on the tape.

926
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,920
Witnesses describe the men as tall with black suits, black hats,

927
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,360
identical faces, extremely pale skin, no eyebrows, eyelashes

928
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,920
and abnormally large eyes.

929
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,720
A woman who spoke with the man claimed that she felt that the men knew

930
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,320
what she was thinking.

931
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520
I'm going to send you this video.

932
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,320
What do you think of the footage?

933
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,960
I've always found it very odd.

934
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Like, yeah, it does.

935
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,920
Those guys do look out of place for everything going on.

936
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,560
The things that they're saying to describe them,

937
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,920
it is not high enough resolution to actually confirm

938
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,520
like they look exactly the same.

939
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,920
They're the exact same height or even what they're really wearing.

940
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Like you can see they're wearing suits.

941
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,520
You can't confirm like it's identical or anything like that.

942
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,520
You can't confirm like, whoa, these guys are like super strange looking.

943
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,520
And then what's up with Shane that like the MIB would actually

944
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,320
want to see him and also not know where he is.

945
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,320
That was the thing that stuck out to me the most that they weren't there.

946
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,080
The second thing is they had a UFO sighting,

947
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,680
which is why I think people are making the assumption that they showed up

948
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:52,680
to talk to them.

949
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,280
And I believe they don't actually say maybe he says in this interview,

950
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,280
I'm actually going to try and download that to put the audio in.

951
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Maybe that might be better than the Dan Ackroyd one.

952
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:02,280
Okay.

953
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,280
Yeah, Dan Ackroyd looks face it.

954
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,280
It doesn't.

955
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,680
I was underwhelmed by what he said as well.

956
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,680
But that was the one thing that kind of if they're supposed to be super natural

957
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,680
and have paranormal experience,

958
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,440
and have paranormal things associated with them,

959
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,640
why didn't they know that they weren't there?

960
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
That did stand out to me as well as something super strange as well.

961
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,240
And like outside of this one,

962
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640
I have not heard one sighting where it's like it turns out they were looking

963
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,440
for my friend who hadn't seen me in a while.

964
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,040
No, none of the ones that we talked.

965
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,840
I mean, we have talked about a hoax.

966
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Yeah.

967
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,840
Yeah, talked about many things.

968
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,040
None of them were actually like showed up and they weren't there and they're like,

969
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,400
can you just leave a message that we stop by?

970
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,800
No, that's my neighbor.

971
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,400
Yeah.

972
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Yeah.

973
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,600
And then like they never show up to actually talk to the guy.

974
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,600
So it was just a missed encounter in the end.

975
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,800
That's the deal behind the video footage that I mean,

976
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,000
it's not really that recent anymore.

977
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,600
It's recent in my mind, but it was 2008 that that came out.

978
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Yeah, that sighting can almost drive.

979
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,600
That's it.

980
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,600
I don't think it's real old.

981
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,160
So that's that.

982
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Now, one of my favorite places to look for stories is Reddit.

983
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,760
So I'm going to kind of we're winding down a little bit here.

984
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,360
I'm going to give you some Reddit sightings because I love them.

985
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,160
That's where you go to talk to the people.

986
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,160
So I'm going to share some Reddit sightings now.

987
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,360
I have a story told by Corthus 59 and they say my elder brother was an

988
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,560
intelligence analyst for the army.

989
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,520
In his wife and another couple went up onto a hill near the base to

990
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,320
observe a full moon one night like tonight.

991
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Just a casual night out.

992
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,560
They witnessed an amazing aerial phenomenon with a blazing blue orb

993
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,720
conducting maneuvers that no human craft could do.

994
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Both my brother and his friend were experts in the capacities of all

995
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,320
aircraft extant at that time in the world.

996
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,320
It works.

997
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,120
After observing the event for some time, the light suddenly stopped and

998
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,320
held a stationary position in the sky.

999
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,280
All in the car had the certain feeling that it was noting their observations.

1000
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Then it seemed to surge towards their position looming large.

1001
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,080
All the above was happening around 10 p.m. at night.

1002
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,480
The next thing they knew it was 4 a.m. in the morning and their car was 100

1003
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,080
miles east of their base.

1004
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,680
It was also sitting exactly in the middle of a harvested wheat or barley field.

1005
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,680
He got out and walked all around the car.

1006
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,280
There were no tracks out in their position in the field.

1007
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
It was just sitting there in the middle as if it had been dropped out of the

1008
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,240
sky.

1009
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,920
A period of hysteria struck them all and they fled the scene and just kept

1010
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,520
going until they intersected the interstate.

1011
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,480
That was when they realized how far they were from the base.

1012
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,040
Some days later, men in black visited my sister-in-law at her home and also

1013
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,080
visited the wife of my brother's friend.

1014
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,440
They did not ask any questions.

1015
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,680
They just made very ominous threats and not about not talking about what happened.

1016
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,880
Not about it or just about talking about it.

1017
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,280
Don't talk about it.

1018
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Don't talk about it. Okay.

1019
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,640
Some years later, my brother said they had arrived at his office on base and

1020
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,440
threatened him.

1021
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,840
It really rattled him was that no one else in the complex saw them arrive or leave.

1022
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,840
And this is in a controlled access intelligence area.

1023
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Even years later, my brother, a hardened Vietnam vet, would start pouring tears

1024
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,840
when speaking of coming to in the field.

1025
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,080
My sister-in-law would burst into overt weeping at the mention of the men in

1026
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,040
black, even on a television show.

1027
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,400
There are deeply paranormal undertones in these events and encounters.

1028
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,840
My brother doesn't show tears for anything, not pain, not loss.

1029
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,000
He has a thousand yards stare of the combat veteran.

1030
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,400
Light moving in the sky does not shatter him.

1031
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Something very deep and profound is going on with these kinds of encounters

1032
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,200
that assaults the mind and being of those who go through them.

1033
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,000
That's the end of that sighting.

1034
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,200
An interesting one, probably one of the most intriguing ones that we read tonight.

1035
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,000
Yeah.

1036
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
If I'm being honest, that's why we go to Reddit.

1037
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,800
Reddit is a plethora of knowledge and a grab bag of good and bad.

1038
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,360
Yes, I was just going to say, sometimes you do have to sift through them.

1039
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,560
I do love Reddit because there's some really good, like you said, the good and

1040
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,800
the bad and then on the bad, you get the good comments or you get the people who

1041
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,400
actually know how to analyze the stuff and ask really good questions and

1042
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,640
and make it come out that they're full of shit.

1043
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,360
Yes, which I appreciate.

1044
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,240
So it also helps me narrow down what what stories I'm going to share with you

1045
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,400
sometimes just by reading the comments of the good people.

1046
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,440
Next one is rising standing in 2011.

1047
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Me and my girlfriend saw UFO at point blank range.

1048
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:53,800
Holy shit.

1049
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,800
It was 1 a.m.

1050
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,600
And we were leaving the neighborhood for food right across the street.

1051
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,400
No food in this neighborhood.

1052
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,400
You got to go get some other neighborhood food.

1053
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,240
This is some really oddly put together sentences right across the street in the

1054
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,200
next neighborhood was a UFO.

1055
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,520
Low and directly over at home.

1056
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,560
Where the food was.

1057
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,360
Yes.

1058
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,400
Yeah.

1059
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,040
It just makes sense.

1060
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,840
Right across the street in the next neighborhood.

1061
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,160
Not long after that, some weird things started happening.

1062
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,160
I did not believe in Mib at the time.

1063
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,120
That's what we're calling it.

1064
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,720
My B now.

1065
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,560
And I did not understand it as them until later.

1066
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,680
It somehow clipped.

1067
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,760
Is this going to somehow connect together?

1068
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,760
I hope it does.

1069
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,320
The girl said when I was gone at work one day that she heard furniture

1070
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,160
moving. Who the fuck is this girl?

1071
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Girlfriend.

1072
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,080
He closed the door and locked it later.

1073
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,720
She said she went out and it was back to normal.

1074
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,120
Even though I was very into paranormal and had had a lot of experiences,

1075
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,800
I honestly didn't believe her.

1076
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,160
I thought she was crying for attention because I was working a ton.

1077
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,320
Later, I came to see that happening.

1078
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Fuck, why did I choose this story?

1079
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,600
This looks as good as any copy paste.

1080
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,520
I don't know how to describe the feeling of I'm not getting enough attention.

1081
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,000
I will move the furniture in the kitchen or the living room or wherever I need to

1082
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,360
and then move it back and say this happened because you are neglecting me, sir.

1083
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,160
Yeah.

1084
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,560
It's the oldest trick in the book for lack of attention.

1085
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,760
Yeah.

1086
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,160
I probably should edit out the story and just stop right here, but I'm committed now.

1087
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,560
So I got to go through with it.

1088
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,760
Later, I came to see the happening as Mib harassment, though.

1089
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Who knows?

1090
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,400
Anyway, one night, not long later, I awoke and there was a tall person standing in the

1091
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,000
bedroom doorway actually just says standing in bedroom doorway.

1092
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,200
There is no.

1093
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,200
I'm glad you added some context words.

1094
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,640
I know there's a lot of non context in this story.

1095
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,440
I had no fear response, which is obviously strange.

1096
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Two dogs in the house, no response from them.

1097
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,920
Loaded gun on the nightstand.

1098
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,360
No thought of grabbing it.

1099
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,120
No response.

1100
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,320
No, that's strange.

1101
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,480
That's really strange.

1102
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,240
Not the dogs.

1103
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,160
The guy usually shoots.

1104
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,040
He usually does.

1105
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Friend asleep beside me, not stirring.

1106
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,720
Man, it was tall and dressed in an old style.

1107
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:25,600
All black, long coat, 40s style reporter hat.

1108
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,040
He even had an old camera up to his face.

1109
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,240
What the fuck?

1110
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:37,640
Because of all the anarchronism is suspect ghost encounter, not Mib.

1111
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,720
Anyway, he was using the camera.

1112
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,800
What the fuck?

1113
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,280
The giant flash bulb was.

1114
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,080
I don't think I read this story.

1115
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Wait, this is one where he's like covered with like the down of the camera.

1116
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,720
No, just had a camera up his face.

1117
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,400
OK, but he has a bulb.

1118
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,640
What does have a bulb?

1119
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,480
An old camera up to his face.

1120
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,320
I don't know.

1121
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,000
The giant flash bulb was going on and off, like taking pictures of me and the girl.

1122
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,800
Why does he keep calling his girlfriend the girl?

1123
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,160
It was this rope by Mib.

1124
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,240
Yellow is delicious.

1125
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,680
Yes, I love yellow.

1126
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:17,280
Do not solidify.

1127
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,000
Just drink.

1128
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,080
He keeps calling his girlfriend the girl.

1129
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,560
But there's no sound with this once

1130
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,320
whoever was only visual.

1131
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,760
She feels mistreated.

1132
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,920
Weird, hey?

1133
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,080
Yeah, wanted to see the face, but couldn't because of the camera.

1134
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Soon felt extremely sleepy.

1135
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,960
And next thing I knew it was morning.

1136
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,560
I did not tell the girl from what happened because I thought it was a ghost

1137
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,920
and she'd be scared.

1138
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,800
And then she'd move the furniture and just be in the same spot.

1139
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,160
So a few mornings later when we wake up, the girl seems weird.

1140
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,480
I asked her what's wrong.

1141
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,720
She says last night she woke up and it's all men was in our bedroom.

1142
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,960
I asked why she didn't wake me and she said she felt lulled or pacified.

1143
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,680
I asked what he looked like and she said tall, all black, old time clothes.

1144
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:07,560
I couldn't believe it.

1145
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,080
I said, what was he doing?

1146
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,040
She said he was just standing beside the bed looking at us.

1147
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,000
I got very curious about the face because I couldn't see it when I woke up.

1148
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,120
I asked what his face looked like and she said she couldn't see it.

1149
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,640
She said she tried to look directly at his face.

1150
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,560
Vision literally kind of blurred up or clouded.

1151
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,560
And when she looked back at something else, her eyes refocused.

1152
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,640
She said after a few moments, she felt very sleepy and here we were.

1153
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,680
Later, I came to her like this was mid harassment.

1154
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,840
I think they can track UFO activity.

1155
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,600
I think they came to see what was up with us after our UFO encounter.

1156
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,280
Maybe they want to study why certain people have UFOs around.

1157
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,360
I think it's possible they dress weird to give people an untellable story.

1158
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,720
Wow. Wow.

1159
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:52,360
Wow.

1160
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,400
What a story.

1161
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,760
I don't even know what to say about that.

1162
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,240
So that's about this guy and the girl.

1163
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,240
That's about it.

1164
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,520
I mean, that was the last encounter I have.

1165
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,560
I'm kind of happy you included that one.

1166
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:08,040
Yeah, because it was both so wild on like his treatment of his relationship.

1167
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,120
And second off, just like how the actual interaction took place.

1168
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Yeah, do you think he's telling the truth?

1169
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,600
No fucking idea.

1170
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Do you think the girl exists?

1171
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,000
No, not when you switch between girlfriend and the girl so readily.

1172
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,840
Do I think that the girl exists?

1173
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,720
Yeah, that's fair.

1174
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,720
Yeah, I'm glad I included that as well.

1175
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
I was going to include a few explanations.

1176
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,200
We are over an hour at this point, so we're probably at this point good

1177
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,080
unless you only have like five minutes.

1178
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,040
I was just thinking like, what do you think they are?

1179
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,320
Honestly, they're more than likely something that was made up right from the start.

1180
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,560
The evidence is there that it was made up right from the start.

1181
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,520
Yeah, however, I can see somebody who would want to intimidate somebody

1182
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,320
from making a story about it, knowing about the MIP's ideas,

1183
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,960
being able to intimidate somebody into changing their mind about talking about something

1184
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,280
just based on the persona of the MIP later on.

1185
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,600
So I'm more so lean on the made up thing though.

1186
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,880
Yeah, I always come away disappointed when I look at things like this.

1187
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Yeah, unfortunately.

1188
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,920
Other than Mothman hasn't let me down.

1189
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,240
No, actually, there's a few things that haven't.

1190
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,320
But when we look at tangible things, it's usually be prepared for disappointment.

1191
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Yeah, and we haven't done an episode on Black-eyed kids,

1192
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:30,160
but they kind of in their demeanor and how they're supposed to act

1193
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,240
kind of remind me of Black-eyed kids.

1194
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,520
It's almost like the Blackness moves the suit when they grow up.

1195
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,960
Oh, good points, good points.

1196
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,680
But yeah, that's Men in Black.

1197
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,360
What a roller coaster is always and disappointment.

1198
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,200
Yeah, and I think this is a good time to remind you

1199
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:51,720
to always keep some microwave to jello with a ballpoint pen within.

1200
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,480
Just ready in the refrigerator, just in case.

1201
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:55,960
Just in case, of course.

1202
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Why wouldn't you at this point?

1203
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,120
I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

1204
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,360
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1205
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480
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1206
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,480
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1207
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,880
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00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,000
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00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
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