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Okay, it's time for an opener and I don't care if this gives it away. I'm just gonna read the headline murder

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Don't do it. Don't do it

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No, I have to i'm gonna do it murder suspect claims victim summoned bigfoot to kill him

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We murder victim yeah

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Okay murder suspect claims victim summoned bigfoot to kill him

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No, that's murder suspects

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Which i'm confused what a murder suspect is

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I'm reading it right? Okay. Let's talk about it. Yeah, aida, oklahoma. Of course. It's in oklahoma

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Oklahoma not oklahoma an oklahoma man is facing a murder charge after he allegedly killed his friend

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Deputies said he claimed the victim had summoned bigfoot to go after and kill him the hon totok

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county sheriff's department responded to a call about an alleged killing

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Saturday afternoon just outside of the city limits of aida oklahoma deputies arrived at the scene to 53 year old suspect larry sanders

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Admitting to a family member that he had killed his friend jimmy naitan

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Oklahoma state bureau of investigation said in a press release that sanders and naitan had been noodle noodling or

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No, they were noodling noodling is how you catch catfish you stick your fist into a catfish hole and they bite on

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And you just pull your fist out. Okay, it's a thing. It's crazy

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That is crazy. I'm glad that you're here to say, you know what noodling is

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It's with a fist just so you can earn the same

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So they're doing this in the river when a confrontation ensued sanders allegedly struck and strangled naitan as part of the investigation

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The sheriff's department was able to uncover a motive quote appeared to be under the influence of something

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So his statement was that mr

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Naitan had summoned bigfoot to come and kill him and that's why he had to kill mr

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Naitan end quote sheriff john christian said search agencies in the sheriff's department weren't able to locate the victim's body until sunday afternoon

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Investigators are now working to uncover proof of the alleged crime quote. It always makes it easier

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You still have to prove all the elements of the crime and what the suspect is telling you you have to prove that that's

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Actually what happened christian said end quote sanders is charged with first degree murder the sheriff says the death penalty is the harshest

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Punishment the prosecution could push for in this case and that's that this was published by

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Wmtv mbc15.com. So this sounds like a story that we're actually going to get an update on

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Yeah, I was just looking at when this was published. There might be an update. It was published july 12

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2022 so let's add that to the list of things we're watching

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Okay, by popular demand people are gonna want to know what happened to this

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All I was picturing is kind of like when two siblings are playing and one of them accidentally gets hurt

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But this one it was but this is

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To kill you it really does seem that way doesn't it especially that they're out noodling

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Yeah, and I had to share that with you and i'm not sure just because I saw noodling for the first time

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They had to use it in a sentence. Oh, yeah

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You can go look up on youtube noodling techniques or how to noodle catfish

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Then you'll find videos of people like you stick your fist in the hole and they bite onto the fist

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And then you just pull them out of their hole people die that way all the time actually because catfish can get huge

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What yeah, okay. I guess i'm just gonna have to believe you on this one because oh right here that is

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Is fucked up. Okay, I could have gone my whole life without normal. Yeah. Also you get scars from it

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Sorry now i'm googling died noodling

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noodling accidents noodling deaths per year noodling gone wrong

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Okay, you know what with that we probably should get started with the episode if we must

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From the unexplained to the mundane come join us on a journey to the fringe

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Hello and welcome to journey to the fringe doling out fringe topics in bite-size roughly hour-long portions

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Some people just take long bigger bites than others. We are your easily digested podcast hosts taylor and chelsea and here today

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We are talking about lost continents and possibly racism

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And let's face it because we're talking about lost cause and yes, we are at some point. That's what we call foreshadowing

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That's usually what comes up in all the lost continents. We've looked at heavy racism heavy racism heavy

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But what's continents could we possibly be talking about? Surely they must cover atlantis now

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No, because atlantis isn't a fringe topic. Everybody knows about atlantis

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But you know what people don't know about the lost continent of moo. What's that? That's a good question. I don't know

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I just start the word

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Today we are going to talk about the lost continent of moo to give you just a brief overview

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Because it doesn't actually come up for a long way down into my episode turns out

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I really just talked about two really weird guys for a while which at the end of the day is that not what this podcast is

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All about just to give you an idea. What is moo?

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Well, the lost continent of moo is the theory that there was a continent in the middle of the pacific ocean that encompassed

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Basically all the way from hawaii down to australia massive continent

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That was right there. That would make sense

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Depending on who you're talking to some people believe lemuria and moo

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Are the exact same continent right and that is why I actually had to check with you to make sure we didn't cover this already

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But oh man, we did not cover this because I found some very interesting stories. Oh good because I don't remember you asking me that

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Well, I almost changed my topic because it seems like we already covered this

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So is there a continent there because it seems like with so many islands there might be you know what we'll get into it at the end

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I think I gave you enough to at least give you an idea of what the continent is

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And I think I gave you enough to at least kind of understand what moo is

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That now I can actually get into the history of the people who talk about moo and bring it forth as a proposed lost continent

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Okay, I need a setup

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So to start this off we can go no further back than a man by the name of augustus la plongeon

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La plongeon was born on the island of jersey on may 4th 1825 and at 19

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He sailed to south america and sorry this guy just has such an interesting history that you've got to start with his entire life

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Cool. Where's jersey jersey is an island just off of britain. It's one of the um, tax havens of the uk

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Okay, he was born in a tax haven suite. I don't know if it was a tax haven at the time, but now it is

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Okay at 19. He started sailing to south america and his boat got destroyed

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It was shipwrecked and he ended up off the coast of chile. What would you do if you had got shipwrecked off the coast of chile?

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What would I do? Um, yeah at the age of 19 probably assimilate. I think okay

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And I guess that's technically what he did. Okay. Good. I'm on the right track from there

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He settles in valparaiso and he taught mathematics drawing and languages at a local college keeping in mind

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He's 19 at the time. So I don't know how he got that damn job, but he assimilated

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Well, if you come in and you're confident enough in your skills, they don't know what you're talking about

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But I know you must know something no and and he seems like a man with his wherewithal

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So to teach it isn't that kind of makes sense if you're not like himid and like, you know

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You come in you know what you're talking about what you're doing. That does not sound like augustus le plongeon. Yeah, exactly

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Okay, cool he's dignified now

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Yeah, so it uh, it seems like he does that for about four years and in 1949

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He leaves chile for the golden dream of san francisco during the california gold rush

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Okay, so he goes there and he worked as a surveyor for a while

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You know the 49ers 1849 in fact when all the gold rushers went there

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He works as a surveyor which actually probably gives you steadier work and gets you paid pretty well

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He also apprentices to become a doctor of medicine during that time

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So this is a guy who really can't pick one topic to continue forward with

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Interesting. Okay one of his accomplishments as a surveyor included drawing a plan for the layout of the town of marysville

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California and the central valley in 1851 augustus was paid for his service as a surveyor with land deeds

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He profited from the sale of these plots and his income funded basically the rest of his life and all

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Archaeological expeditions that he may go on after this. Oh, right. I forgot we were talking about mu

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But no outside of that the guy has an interesting life. He does. Yeah, that is

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That was a wild ride

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He becomes a very wealthy man le plonjon travels back to england and he starts seeing demonstrations of a photographic

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Process at the great exhibition. I forgot to look up what the great exhibition is

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But this is basically when photography is taking the world by storm and he thinks man

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I gotta get in on this so he stays in england to study photography under william fox talbot

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She is 25 years younger than him, but they come to an arrangement and she comes from a family

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Her dad is very well known in the photography world and he wants to be a pioneer in archaeology

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Augustus wanted to test these methods in tropical climates

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Which is basically where you get portraits done a daguerreotype portrait studio on play street and in 1862

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He traveled to lima peru and opened another photography studio and quote

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I did not look into electrohydropathic medicine at all, but like fringe medicine

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Electrohydropathic medicine anymore. So I I think it is now debunked

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Fringe medicine, but he goes down to peru and then he starts to get into mayan archaeology

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And this is where he really comes to fame. I took up most of this next part from a website called mexico unexplained

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I think they summed it up very well. So this is what they say about the rest of his life here from the time

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He set foot in chichén Itza agustus le plongeon sought to prove

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Diffusion theories and to make the case that mayan civilization was not only old but it was the oldest on earth and the mother of many

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Le plongeon's interpretation of what he saw and found at chichén Itza has been called by some authors as quote

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The culture provided quote a blank slate end quote and could fill with it

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Whatever he wanted sometimes bending the physical archaeological records accordingly one of le plongeon's first inventive

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Interpretations of what he saw at chichén Itza had to do with a mayan rope design

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He saw as part of a temple's frontal carvings

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He declared that the maya had an ancient telegraph system that spanned the globe and connected it to other

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Civilizations and colonies it had throughout the world. So the maya I believe it's actually the aztecs

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Didn't have a written language. They use knots in ropes to convey information

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They had a telegraph system around the world the mayans were so advanced

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One of the biggest licenses he took with what he was uncovering was when he discovered a series of wall carvings on el castillo

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Not only did le plongeon claim that one of the portraits of the warriors on the temple looked like him

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He claimed that he was the reincarnation of that warrior and that he had actually lived in chichén Itza in a tey day

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As one of its rulers he communicated his beliefs or assertions to the maya crew working with him and they believed him

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No, he's paying their bill. So they're like sure sure so long as you're gonna keep

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David wilcock took notes from this guy

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He did have a strange knack for finding important artifacts everyone would agree

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And so maybe some thought there was truth to what he was saying

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He and his wife alice would pioneer a new pseudo scientific field while in mexico that of quote psychic archaeology

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End quote they came upon major artifacts

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They claimed by using a unique blend of supposed psychic abilities intuition and channeling spirits to help them with their finds in london

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Alice le plongeon had been very involved in seances mesmerism and studying the occult

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As they wrote about their findings and published them in newspapers and magazines in america

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The work of the plongeon's gained the attention of then new york-based russian mystic and occultists

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She's back

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Blavatsky took some of the le plongeon mexican research and incorporated into her theosophical movement in her public writings

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Blavatsky hailed augustus and alice le plongeon as pioneers and as she put it quote metaphysical archaeology end quote

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While being celebrated among the mystical circles in new york and london the le plongeon's had less and less support from mainstream academic and

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Antiquarian publications and institutions while they seem to have a special skill for finding impressive artifacts

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The le plongeon's were the first to do major excavations at sites such as chichen itza and uxmole

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And because of this there were plenty of things for them to find in every turn both augustus and alice kept up the mystical and

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Occult angle and continued crafting their tenuous prehistory of the new world in spite of serious objections and doubts from those seeking a more

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mainstream view of antiquity a big turning point in the research of the le plongeon's occurred when augustus found by psychic means of course

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A large reclining stone figure seven meters underground which he called a chakmul a name meaning

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Quote red or great jaguar paw end quote in yukatec maya

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He immediately declared that chakmul had been a ruler of chichen itza

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And he had seen this ruler depicted throughout the ruins on stone carvings and in murals

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Le plongeon tried to spirit the statue out of mexico to get it to the 1876

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Philadelphia centennial exposition in the united states but was floored by government officials who apprehended the chakmul and took it to mexico city there

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It was exhibited as one of the most important finds in the century and part of the mexican patrimony that would never leave the country

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Although le plongeon's plan was snuffed out

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He continued to weave the ancient story of the mythical ruler chakmul who was also known as prince co

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chakmul was the brother of prince ak the evil lord of uxmole prince ak defeated chakmul in mortal combat

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Not the video game i'm assuming because this would be way in the past

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Who knows and chakmul's widow came to rule the kingdom as queen mu

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The territory of chichen itza and its surroundings became known as the kingdom of mu queen mu was then forced to marry her evil brother-in-law prince ak

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At which point she fled to egypt where she was revered revered as the goddess isis

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She also brought with her a complex civilization with its origins in nexico one of queen mu's last acts in the americas

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Le plongeon explained was to commission a stone carving dedicated to her husband in the form of chakmul statue with a further

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elaboration of the ancient mayan ancient egypt connection came an even more fantastic claim regarding queen mu she had returned to the yukatan

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115 generations later reincarnated as none other than alice le plongeon

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While accepted by people such as the members of madame blvatsky's

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Piosophical society very few serious scholars took the work of le plongeon seriously after queen mu ice's alice connection

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This didn't stop the le plongeon and their discoveries and the interpretations kept coming in addition to claiming the connection to egypt through isis

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Augustus le plongeon claimed to have discovered stone tablets in chichen itza showing details of ancient mayan rites of free masonry

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As a high-ranking free mason himself le plongeon was eager to point out masonic signs and symbols in the ruins throughout the yukatan

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He claimed that the triangular arches numbers of temple steps and carved figures seeming to wear masonic aprons indicated that the ancient mexicans had

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knowledge of free masonry sacred mysteries in that these masonic rites and mysteries originated in the new world not the old

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It was queen mu as isis who transferred this arcane knowledge to egypt

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This assertion was a point of pride for augustus le plongeon because it seemed to give more legitimacy to american free mason lodges

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Americans could thus shed some of its inferiority complex if it could claim such ancient roots to free masonry

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Which was very popular in the united states at the end of the 19th century. This guy's insane

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Like he stumbled into a fork in I mean it started okay, but now it's just like I yeah

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Imagine going on an archaeology dig and being like that guy that was in charge you see in that picture. That was me

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You guys all believe me right by the way, if you don't you're fired

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I can't see see

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Like that's just bizarre so

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Um, one thing this guy was not good at outside of archaeology, of course was naming books

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Le plongeon wrote several books on the subjects above that I just discussed

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The first he wrote in 1880 and it was called okay. Get ready for this

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Gonna take a while vestiges of the mayas or facts tending to prove that communications and intimate relations

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Must have existed in very remote times between the inhabitants of maya and those of asia and africa

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Okay, that's an awful name

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Yeah, it's not catchy at all

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I would just pass that by yeah guys. I would start and i'm like there's this is too much

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I can't even read this

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I can't even read this that was just numbers 1984. Look at that. That's easy. I read that one

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His next book in 1886. Okay, get ready for this

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sacred mysteries among the mayas and the quiches

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11,500 years ago not the end just the colon their relation to the sacred mysteries of egypt greece chaldea and india

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Yeah, semi-colon or freemasonry and times of interior to the temple of solomon end of title. He had so many opportunities to just

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Just end it. Yeah

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By the way that first title at least he did learn to break it up a little bit

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No colons or semi-colons second title colon and semi-colon. So getting there

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Found it enthralling though. You know what? I bet nobody got past the title and they just said oh, yeah

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It was great. And then when you talk about those things they just agreed because they didn't actually hear what he said

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That's a very good theory. I would probably go along with that

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And this guy learned something in the next decade because in 1896 he comes up with his last book

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Titled queen moo and the egyptian sphinx and that's it. Oh, that's it

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Yeah, he must have taken some advice from someone he trusted or he died writing it somebody else is like, yeah

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His body just didn't have it in him to continue

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So he just died because to be fair

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He's 71 years old in that last book too and sorry he lives for 12 more years after that

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Okay, so he lives to the ripe old age of 83. So I didn't happen to mention a mysterious island

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Well that comes up a little bit

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But it's more so the queen moo that or princess moo queen moo that really is where this kind of comes from

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But the mythical idea of the land of moo first appears in the works of british-american

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Antiquarian augustus le plongeon after his investigation of the mayan ruins in the yucatan

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He claimed that he had translated the first copies of the popovu the sacred book of the quiche from the ancient mayan using spanish

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He claimed the civilization of the yucatan was older than those of greece and egypt and told the story of an even older

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continent le plongeon got the name moo from charles etienne brasseur de bourgogues who in 1864 also

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Mistranslated what he was then calling the troano codex now called the madrid codex using delanda

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Alphabet brasseur believed that a word which he read as moo referred to a land that had been submerged by a catastrophe

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Le plongeon identified this lost land with atlantis and following ignatius donnelly in atlantis the

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Anti-deluvian world in 1882 identified it as a continent that once existed in the atlantic ocean

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So le plongeon originally and i saw it a little bit contradicting but i'm pretty sure this is the way that's correct

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Le plongeon believed that moo was a continent that existed in the atlantic ocean where atlantis would be it's kind of an interchangeable name

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And that from there atlantis was gone

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They went to the new world and then went back to the old world and that's kind of how everything diffused from there

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Okay, and here's a direct quote from le plongeon in our journey westward across the atlantic

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We shall pass in sight of that spot where once existed the pride in life of the ocean the land of moo

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Which at the epoch that we have been considering had not yet been visited by the wrath of human that lord of volcanic fires

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To whose fury it afterwards fell a victim the description of that land given to solon by soncus priest of saiz

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Its destruction by earthquakes and submergence recorded by playdo in his timaeus

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Have been told and retold so many times that it is useless to encumber these pages with a repetition of it

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Le plongeon claimed that the civilization of ancient egypt was founded by queen moo a refugee of the lands demise other refugees

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Supposedly fled to central america and became the maya so it is a little confusing about what he said

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But that kind of is the gist and where the original people first talked about the land as a lost continent

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Not sure where I thought it would have shown up first, but I wasn't expecting well, maybe I was expecting this

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I actually thought that this was a lost continent people in asia believed existed or like china japan

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I did not expect it to first come up from like mayan translations. No, no, but it's sounding about right from

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Origins, I mean they're they all start pretty eccentric most of them some of them are pretty old

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And that brings us to our next eccentric at this point for the most part

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The le plongeon are near the end of their lives. So that that's kind of where their look into moo kind of ends

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And somebody else takes up the mantle his name is james churchward and where most of the common age beliefs in moo come from

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Most of it comes from this guy. So we're going to cover him a little bit in his back story

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It's nowhere near as exciting as augustus le plongeon. So we're just going to cover it in more vague detail

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So churchward born in britain. He then moves to southeast asia becoming a tea planter in sri lanka

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He immigrates to the u.s in the 1890s and in churchward's biography entitled my friend

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Churchy and his sunken continent. It was said to have discussed moo with augustus le plongeon and his wife in the 1890s

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So he apparently was actually quite close with the le plongeon. He also is a very wealthy man

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He owns a few patents like I was reading the timeline of his life and he has like eight twelve patents on different train

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Technologies which are huge in the late 1800s. Yeah

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1900s so he is a well-off man and he starts writing all the books that he ends up writing later in his life

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So he's 75. I believe he's born in the 1850s in

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1926 he writes the lost continent of moo the motherland of men in 1931 the children of moo in

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1933 the sacred symbols of moo 1934 cosmic forces of moo and two more books the second book of the cosmic forces of moo

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In 1935. I mean they're straight to the point. Oh, no, I'm sorry that that is the last book

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He wrote second book of the cosmic forces of moo and I just want to take this excerpt

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This is from his book the lost continent

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And it's basically this the start of the first chapter and to give you an idea of what he actually believes about moo

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I I couldn't find any better way than to just read it from his first book

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When how we came across this knowledge chapter 1 the Garden of Eden was not in Asia

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But on a now sunken continent in the Pacific Ocean the biblical story of creation the epic of the seven days and seven nights

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Came first not from the peoples of the Nile or the Euphrates Valley

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But from this now submerged continent moo the motherland of man these assertions can be proved by the complex records

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I discovered upon long forgotten sacred tablets in India together with records from other countries

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They tell of the strange country of 64 million inhabitants who 50,000 years ago had developed the civilizations

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Superior in many respects to our own they described among other things the creation of man in mysterious land of moo by

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Comparing this writing with records of other ancient civilizations as revealed in written documents prehistoric ruins and geological phenomena

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I found that all these centers of civilization had drawn their culture from a common source

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Moo we may therefore be sure that the biblical story of the creation as we know it today

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Evolved from the impressive account gathered from other ancient tablets which relate to the history of moo history

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500 centuries old the manner in which this original story of the creation came to light

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Forms a tale that takes us back more than 50 years. It was a famine time in India

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I was assisting in relief work the high priest of a college temple. Although I did not know it at first

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He was exceedingly interested in archaeology and the records of the ancients and had a greater knowledge of those subjects than any other living man

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When he saw one day that I was trying to decipher a peculiar bass relief

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He took an interest in me that brought about one of the truest friendships

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I have ever known he showed me how to solve the puzzle of those

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Peculiar inscriptions and offered to give me lessons which would fit me for still more difficult work for more than two years

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I studied diligently a dead language my priestly friend believed to be the original tongue of mankind

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He informed me that his language was understood by only two other high priests in India a great difficulty arose from the fact that many

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Of the apparently simple inscriptions had hidden meanings which had been designed

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especially for the holy brothers than it calls a priestly brotherhood sent from the motherland to the colonies to teach the sacred writings

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Religion and the sciences one day being an in a talkative mood

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He told me there were a number of ancient tablets in the secret archives of the temple what they consisted of he did not know

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For he had seen only the chests containing them although he was in position to examine the writings

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He had never done so as these were sacred records not to be touched day after day

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I attempted to discover some method by which I could attain access to the hidden treasures

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But my friend although extremely curious was adamant in his refusal to let me see them quote my son and quote

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He would say a touch of sadness in his voice

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I would that I could satisfy your desire, but that may not be they are sacred relics

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Must not be taken out of their containers

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I dare not grant your wish, but you think they may not be packed properly and may break and crumble in their boxes

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I urge we should at least look at them to see if they are safe, but this argument was of no avail

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Six months past curiosity or anxiety about their condition had won the contest over my priestly friend for one evening on the table in front

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Of him two of the ancient tablets were lying on a cloth. I examined with curiosity the long hidden tablets

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They were apparently of some burnt clay and extremely dusty with great care

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I cleaned them and then set to work deciphering the characters that were in the same dead language

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I had seen studying with my friend fortune was with me that evening for these two precious forms of clay revealed facts of

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Such import we both realized that here indeed were the genuine records of mood the history

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However broke off abruptly at a most interesting point at the bottom of the second tablet

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Not even the high priest could restrain his curiosity to see the rest

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He said it is impossible for us to leave off here my son

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I shall get the next tablet out tomorrow

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Fortunately, the next tablet he procured were not of the same series

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But had to do with an entirely different subject in order to find the consecutive tablets all had to be brought out

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It was well for many of the tablets had been so badly packed that they were broken

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These were restored with cement when I repacked them

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I wrapped these tablets in tissue paper and cotton wool my son said the priest I feel that a sacred warning was sent to me

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Through your voice to safeguard the relics months of intense concentration in translating the tablets followed

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But the reward justified the effort the writing described in detail the creation of the earth and of man and the place where he first

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appeared move

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Realizing that I had unearthed secrets of great importance in the elucidation of that internal problem man

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I sought the other lost tablets, but without success

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I carried letters of introduction to high priests of temples throughout India

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But in every instance I was received with coldness and suspicion

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I have traced this same story from Mu to India where colonizers from the vanished

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Continent had settled from India into Egypt from Egypt to the temple of Sinai

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Where Moses copied it and from Moses to the faulty translations of Ezra 800 years later

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The plausibility of this will be apparent even to those who have not studied the subject carefully

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When they see the close resemblance between the story of the creation as we know it and the tradition that originated

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That's the end of the quote from the book. Holy shit. Yeah

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That's my comment any questions. I don't think so

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Okay, so I just want to make a few notes here and it is something that many of his critiquers say

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Yeah, did you notice how he described the priest he was talking to not?

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Particularly yeah as if he didn't give a shit about the priest who is talking to him or giving even bothered to give him a name

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Okay, so that anybody else could back up what he was saying. Okay now that you mentioned it

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No, maybe that's good friend. His great friend that he was able to befriend

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He got so close to that. He said I'm going to share this dead language that literally only two other people in the world

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Know because it is so secret. Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother to name this priest. Why would you no logical reason?

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No, or did he name where he was in India or in other places?

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He also says he's into death, but he never bothers to claim where these tablets were

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Maybe he thinks it gives him more credibility. That's the question. I don't know probably yeah

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Hey, you know what like this this guy doesn't want to get in trouble because he shared like forbidden knowledge with him

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Yeah, yeah, he's protecting them. Yeah doesn't want to get in trouble with the rest of the world

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Oh, okay, what you want to exactly and another weird one. He ends up bringing up the Bible. Yes, he did like oh, yeah

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This is all just the Bible. Yeah, it came up multiple times

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He's also told at a later point that oh, yeah mu had a monotheistic religion which had four rules

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God is one everything came from him and will return to him the body and soul are separate

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The body dies and the soul doesn't while they are being separated

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The soul is born in different bodies to reach perfection

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The souls which reach the perfection return to God and merge with him

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In other words, it is roughly on par with most new age bullshit that comes out and still comes out

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It's very God shows up even Jesus shows up even in

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Places where you wouldn't think Jesus would even be a known thing the next thing that does come up

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This is in the intro

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So this is just something I wanted to bring up all matters of science in this work are based on the

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Translations of two sets of ancient tablets Nicole tablets

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Which I discovered in India many years ago and a large collection of stone tablets over 2500 recently discovered by William Niven

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In Mexico both sets had the same origin for both sets or extracts from the sacred inspired writings of mu the nicale

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Tablets written with the Naga symbols and characters and legends say were written in the motherland and first brought to Burma and then to India

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That's a direct quote from his book James Churchward

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His great-grandson is actually alive and he talks about mu based on what his great-grandfather wrote

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Oh my god, he'll come up later, but he specifically

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Significantly interviewed it was an hour-long interview on his podcast. He has a podcast

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I don't think he does it anymore, but he had a podcast

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I should say he interviewed a professor by the name of and sorry

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I just need to look it up because I was listening to it this morning and it is very important for this

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Dr. Jeb card and hilariously enough from the University of Miami in Ohio

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Which I'm guessing is near the Little Miami River or a little Miami

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That is pertinent information

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Anyhow, he was asking specifically about these 2,500 tablets that William Niven found in Mexico and he said oh, yeah

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Actually the University of Miami has a couple of them and I'm fairly certain

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It's not impossible, but I'm pretty sure they're fake and he goes into it and says basically

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There are a few things that make him believe that first off in Latin America

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If you're hiring locals to find things they like to fake things that they find so that you'll just buy them off them or

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If you're leasing their land to find things they want you to find things so they'll fake things for you to find

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a lot of freaking cool and

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It's the fact that only he has ever found things like this and he said like even if you find something unique

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Generally, we will find other things that are associated to it or have the same cultural identifiers on as within the area

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There are other people digging in the exact same areas as William Niven

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00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:12,100
They never find the exact same things only William Niven ever finds these particular tablets

401
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,820
2,500 of them that are all completely different than anything ever found in Mexico outside of okay

402
00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:26,080
So they're for sure fake. Yeah as a professor by the name of Jeb card at the University of Miami says

403
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,480
It was actually a very interesting podcast. We'll get into Jack later. That's churchwards son

404
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,880
And then the second half I didn't bring up in the first little excerpt from his story

405
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,420
But James Churchward talks about the Uyghur Empire and how it was actually a part of Mu

406
00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:46,440
The Uyghur Empire would be the part of the continents that didn't sink that part of the colonies of Mu

407
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,960
They would be the parts that were left behind once Mu sank. Well, who are the Uyghurs?

408
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,600
The only place I know that term from Chelsea. Have you ever heard that term? I don't think I have

409
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,840
Okay, and it might just be how I'm pronouncing it to the place

410
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:06,880
I've heard it from are the Uyghur people of Western China who are being heavily brutalized right now put into concentration camps more or less

411
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,720
Or indoctrination camps. Oh, yeah in Western China

412
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,800
U I G H U R Uyghur camps China. It's in Xinjiang province. That's for looking at later

413
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,400
Oh, this is the same spelling for the people you're talking about right now

414
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,040
Yes

415
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:29,040
And it's because they actually technically draw their heritage from this group because there it was technically there is a Uyghur Empire

416
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,420
It existed in the seventh century. It spanned a great distance

417
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:38,240
It was basically like the Silk Road everything that encompasses Silk Road would be the Uyghur Empire

418
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,320
Okay, and it did actually stretch into parts of Europe, but he has a different definition of it

419
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,360
Although he never specifically really talked about it. I did find on his great-grandson's webpage

420
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,080
He put it kind of an excerpt for the Uyghur people and this is what he asked

421
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Hans Stefan Santensen wrote and published a book in 1970 entitled

422
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Understanding Mu that attempts to explain the theories of James Churchward and one chapter in it is the Uyghurs and is reproduced here

423
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,960
And this is right from that Churchward describes the great Uyghur Empire is the largest and most important

424
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Colonial Empire belonging to Mu the Empire of the Sun quote next to Mu herself

425
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,640
The Uyghur Empire was the largest Empire the world has ever known

426
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,760
End quote the eastern boundary of the Uyghur Empire was the Pacific Ocean

427
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,840
The western boundary was about where Moscow now stands with settlements extending through Central Europe to the Atlantic

428
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,660
The southern boundary cut through what is now northern Persia India and present-day North Vietnam

429
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:35,560
And this is kind of why I wanted to talk about this this next paragraph

430
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,520
The history of the Uyghurs can be said to be the history of the Aryan races for all the true Aryan races

431
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Descended from the Uyghur forefathers the Uyghurs formed chains of settlements across Central Europe in

432
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,860
Turchurae times after the Empire was destroyed by the great magnetic

433
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,400
Cataclysm and the raising of the mountains the survivors and their descendants once more form settlements in Europe

434
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:03,680
This was during the Pleistocene time the Slavs the Teutons the Celts Irish Bretons and Basques are all descended from Uyghur

435
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,460
Stop the Bretons Basques and genuine Irish are the descendants of those who came to Europe in Turchurae times

436
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,760
Descendants of those who survived the raising of the mountains

437
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Legends all through the East tell how the whole of Central Asia including the Himalayas was at one time a flat

438
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Cultivated land of fertile fields forests lakes and rivers with magnificently constructed roads and highway

439
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:34,440
Connecting the various cities and towns with each other these were well-built cities huge temples and public institutions

440
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,720
Elaborate private houses and palaces of the rulers today the land is a desert

441
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:44,240
You have to dig 50 feet down through a stratum of boulder gravel and sand before you reach the ruins of Caracotta

442
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,140
But elsewhere in the Gobi Desert where the water did not wash away all the soil to bare rocks

443
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:53,220
You can see the dried up beds of rivers canals and lakes that existed before the disaster

444
00:37:53,460 --> 00:38:01,500
The waggers who appear to have been like the Quetzals of a light complexion with milk white skin with blue eyes and light hair

445
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,300
Predominating in the north were the first colonists from Mu

446
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:12,260
Aryans aren't like are we referring to that as like the made-up race that HPB was always talking about

447
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:18,500
No, we would be talking about it as like how the Nazis would define Aryans is like the perfect human blonde hair blue eyes

448
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:23,220
It's so what's made up. They're saying that these are descendants of Aryans and this is made up

449
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:28,580
I don't know if it's necessarily the same one because I haven't gone into how the Nazis actually defined Aryan

450
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:31,300
But I've always just kind of figured it like that's what they would be taught

451
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:34,900
Yeah, but it's not not that Larry in the fifth generation of humans

452
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,460
You know, it would more so be like the blonde-eyed blue-haired like perfect

453
00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:45,260
Yeah, like I know what what Aryan means, but this isn't a real race and they're saying that these waggers are

454
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:51,580
Descendants of Aryans and they're not right? Yeah, that that's basically like they yeah, they can't be okay

455
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:56,780
I'm just putting it out there because this is where the racism comes in because HPB did the same thing

456
00:38:56,780 --> 00:39:03,420
There's a lot of racism in the history that she drew from. Yeah. Okay. Just wanted to put that out there

457
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:05,660
Oh, and by the way, I keep saying the call records

458
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:13,340
He called the race from mood Nicole and their language Nicole and that's the one that three other people in the world speak at the time

459
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,340
or

460
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:20,620
Nicole records found by turtured in one of the Tibetan monasteries and again

461
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:23,420
This is where it says Tibetan when it might have been India

462
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:32,140
Who knows tell how the Nicole's 70,000 years ago had brought to the Weiger capital city's copies of the sacred inspired writings of the motherland

463
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:38,220
Turtured was told by his rishi that when the great flood swept up over eastern and northeastern Asia

464
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:43,420
It destroyed the Weiger capital city drowning all of the inhabitants and buried a great library

465
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:49,740
Which had been brought there by the Nicole's from the motherland many years afterwards than the calls in the west whom the flood had not

466
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:54,540
Reached went to these ruins and dug up the tablets and carried them to the temple in the west there

467
00:39:54,540 --> 00:40:01,900
They remained until the mountains were raised and the temple was destroyed once more burying the records many many years afterwards the descendant of those

468
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:07,980
Nicole's who had survived the raising of the mountains went and dug them out again and brought them to the temple where they are now

469
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:13,260
Deposited churchward states that neither his monastery nor the tablets are unknown

470
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:19,020
And that they are well known to oriental scholars and that to his own personal knowledge five europeans three

471
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:21,740
Englishmen and two russians had visited this monastery

472
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:28,540
He also quotes his rishi as stating that the nicole library deposited in the secret archives of the temple located at iodia

473
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:33,580
Was never discovered by those who sacked the city and presumably remains there and under the ruins intact

474
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:37,180
That's his history of mu and the Weiger empire

475
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:41,900
They all seem to have a fairly lost civilization so to say

476
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:49,840
Lost continents have a similar kind of history don't they they sure do and in fact it comes up on bad archaeology

477
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:52,940
and fake archaeology wikipedia's

478
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:56,780
Which apparently are things which I was able to read

479
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:01,260
And also I just wanted to bring this up now. This is from the previous article

480
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:04,780
I was talking about the mexican explained one but makes more sense to say it here

481
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:11,740
We would see the histories of ancient mexico created by augustus la plongeon develop into something altogether different

482
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:18,460
After his papers and notes were passed to a man named james churchward by the recently widowed alice la plongeon in 1911

483
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:21,900
Churchward repackaged his stories and elaborated on them in his books

484
00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:28,540
And it's quite interesting that he claims to have visited this high priest in india when he was a like young man

485
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,700
But doesn't write a book until he's 75

486
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:37,260
But is only 15 years after he talked to alice la plongeon about the stories that the family had from that

487
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:40,460
Of course the timing makes perfect sense. Yeah

488
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:46,780
Only natural the next steps there. Yeah. Okay, so this next part that I gotta bring up

489
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:48,860
It's the fake archaeology site

490
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:54,620
So it's talking about a few of the traps that he seems to fall into about lost continents

491
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:59,260
The first one is called hyper diffusion. Chelsea. Have you ever heard this term? No, okay

492
00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:05,420
But it's going to make sense what it is like right off the bat hyper diffusion is the idea that all major cultural innovations

493
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:09,980
And societies derive from one major superior ancient civilization

494
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:14,460
It's just people see that people on opposite sides of the world are doing something somewhat similar like oh, yeah

495
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,620
So that must mean that it all comes from one thing. Yeah, usually if an individual believes in hyper diffusion

496
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:24,780
They do not acknowledge that two civilizations could evolve independently of each other and have similar aspects of cultures hyper diffusion

497
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:31,980
Is the basis of churchwards moo he claimed that moo diffused into all ancient civilizations that he believed to be perfect ancient maya ancient

498
00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:39,260
Egypt ancient greece these civilizations also gained all their technology and structures from moo churchwards suggested all similarities between ancient

499
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:46,220
societies and cultures originate from moo the mentality towards the development of ancient societies is seen throughout all of his works especially

500
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,780
quote the lost continent of moo and quote his first book and most popular book about

501
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:57,520
Within this book he explains in detail about how people of moo traveled to other civilizations to survive a major catastrophe

502
00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:05,500
And tried to teach ancient civilizations what they knew however churchward claims that these civilizations were of lesser quality than those from moo

503
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:10,540
So although they had information from moo none were successful as superior that makes sense

504
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:17,740
The other thing that seems to plague lost continent investigators hypothesize or archaeologists. I don't know the correct word for them is

505
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:25,640
Ethnocentrism yes ethnocentrism is the belief that all other countries or peoples are lesser to one civilization or group often in lost

506
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:32,640
Civilization theories it is believed that the lost civilization is superior to all people and their descendants are currently the most perfect and superior

507
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:39,840
societies and cultures the idea is seen deeply in james churchwards writings about moo churchwards main idea of moo

508
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,280
Was that it was the perfect human civilization his theory was that civilization had many races?

509
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:52,000
But the race that was white was the most attractive and intelligent dominating over the other races in the lost continent of moo churchward

510
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:58,240
Writes quote the dominant race in the land of moo was a white race exceedingly handsome besides this white race

511
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:06,320
There were other races people with yellow brown or black skins vase. However did not dominate end quote churchward believed that these white

512
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:10,000
dominant individuals then spread around the world and founded all the

513
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,020
Civilizations that people of today view to be exceedingly intelligent ancient egypt ancient maya and ancient greece

514
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:21,860
Just avoiding the fact that when the spaniards got to the new world there were no white people there

515
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,660
They were short very dark-skinned individuals

516
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:29,780
We've seen this on also every single one of our lost continent

517
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:35,700
It is not unique to moo. It actually just seems to be the standard rule not an outlier. Yes, that's a

518
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:40,100
Weird thing that they all have in common actually

519
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:47,460
Well to be fair the people that actually are ignorant enough to hypothesize an ancient continent also are ignorant enough to think they're just

520
00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:49,620
Better than other people. That's right

521
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:52,420
It's just it's a very easy way to explain it away

522
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:57,700
That's very and it couldn't be anybody else it had to be white people because we're just the smartest and best

523
00:44:57,860 --> 00:45:03,700
But even when we looked at what was that other lost continent we did and it was was it briefly?

524
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,940
Moo because there was an asian

525
00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:12,900
There it's lemuria and lemuria lemuria has a weird relationship with moo

526
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:17,540
It sometimes is considered moo but it depends on who you're talking to whether or not they're the same continent

527
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:20,660
But particularly because if you take lemuria just as what it is

528
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:26,500
It is proposed as a land bridge between madagascar and india because it's the only place with lemurs

529
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:31,940
It was I went and listened to it again at season one season one. That was a while ago. It had multiple

530
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:38,340
Origin stories, I believe and there is an asian culture that believed that they were the origins

531
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:45,300
The teamers it still went back to them believing that they are superior and they were the original

532
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:50,580
And it's still taught in the island's education system in indonesia and making them

533
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:56,740
Because they were the first one to originally be on lemuria and therefore had all the knowledge

534
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:00,260
So they and it was still taught so it's still the same kind of concept

535
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:08,260
I mean not white but still we're the superior race because we came from this much older civilization and therefore it's everyone

536
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:12,180
Yeah, civilizations that has this viewpoint, but yeah

537
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:19,140
It's weird that it just ends up being something that comes up and I think it might actually have something to do with the ignorance

538
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:25,380
Of the idea that you know more than others and found this lost continent. Yeah, that's super strange

539
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:32,740
Okay. Okay. So yeah, those are two of the features that he seems to have and I should say churchward was never a

540
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:39,060
Educated archaeologist. He was an engineer by trade. He had many patents and that's where all his money came from

541
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:43,940
So I almost I don't know if he maybe falls into the area of dunning kruger effect

542
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:48,500
Which is you're at a point in your knowledge where you don't actually know enough to know how much you don't know

543
00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:50,580
So you actually think you're good at something?

544
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:56,180
Yeah, everybody knows somebody in their life. Oh, yeah dunning kruger effect applies. No kidding

545
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:57,700
I never knew that that was a thing

546
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:02,020
But yes now that you mention it and then that archaeology had a little bit of a write-up on it

547
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:08,020
There's a wikipedia subset called bad archaeology and there is a write-up on moo and specifically about churchward

548
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,020
So I just wanted to give their two cents on it

549
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:15,380
There is no evidence that the nical ever existed outside of churchward's over fertile imagination

550
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:17,700
Every reference to them links back to churchward

551
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:22,420
No one knows where or when they lived and they left absolutely no evidence of their existence

552
00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:25,940
Outside of the tablets churchward claimed to have deciphered moreover

553
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:31,380
There's no evidence that the tablets existed either despite a recent claim on his great-grandson's website that they had been

554
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:38,580
Relocated in a tunnel system beneath the three and cambranatha temple and cancha puram by one thomas ritter

555
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:42,580
As soon as we look for confirmation of just about any of churchward's assertions

556
00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:49,940
We fail to find any and the real and the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that churchward invented almost everything in his books

557
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:54,820
In other words, it was a fraud whose works owe more to fantasy than to scholarship

558
00:47:54,900 --> 00:48:01,640
Nevertheless moo has entered the fringe literature where authors are rarely fussy about checking their sources for confirmation

559
00:48:01,940 --> 00:48:06,740
Yeah, that's the weird part of it. I think this is a good point to start talking about jack churchward

560
00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:12,820
He is the great-grandson of james churchward. He runs a website and chelsea rated typed us in my

561
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:16,820
Dash moo mu.com you better be damn well ready

562
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:17,220
Sorry

563
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:22,340
Do you want to guess at what the website looks like before I say that guess can I just say back to your last point?

564
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:28,500
About what the hell was it people not fat checking stuff that really reminds me of the philadelphia experiment

565
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:32,820
There's a lot of things that are it should remind us of and a lot of things that we talk about

566
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:39,140
But when it comes to like moo and atlantis and lemuria and all these lost continents when you hear about it

567
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:41,220
you think about like

568
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:47,620
Mystical and like all this like new age. Yeah new age stuff heightened

569
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,900
Spirituality, yeah spirituality. Thank you

570
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:56,660
You think of all that but when you actually go in and do the research behind it

571
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:59,220
it's coming from all these places of

572
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:05,960
Of superiors like i'm better than you and racism and it's like all this messed up stuff where it's so

573
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Associated with new age things and everything that I just listed

574
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:17,160
So it's super weird that it has such a and it's it's simply that people not fact checking the stuff

575
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:23,080
In which they're using and talking about in such a new age fashion. That's all I wanted to say on that

576
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,640
So i'm about to go to my.mu.com

577
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
My.mu.com

578
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,160
My-mu.com

579
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Yeah, um telsey. I want you to give me your estimation of what this webpage looks like

580
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,880
Okay, I feel like it's gonna be it's gonna look like it's from the 90s early 90s

581
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Is it gonna have a counter of how many people have entered the website?

582
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,920
It's gonna have banners a lot of banners. Do you think there's gonna be advertisements? Yes many. Okay, click on that thing

583
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:57,160
Okay. Oh, yeah, this is oh, yeah, it is straight out of the 90s banners everywhere

584
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,480
This is every website we go to now, but no advertising

585
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:08,120
No, no banners. There's there's one banner. I just want to draw your attention to the top right of the page

586
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,320
Yes, that is jack churchward. Is that a nice earring that he's wearing?

587
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:20,360
I believe that is a headphone piece, but I don't know for sure. I gotta say this can't be a headshot. Can it?

588
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,600
No, I it's not it looks like he photoshopped it like he edited the photo down to just that

589
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,680
Hey look over here and he gave a stance like i'm gonna put my glasses down

590
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Like I know what i'm talking about and it looks like he yeah, that that's about it

591
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,000
I have to say on that but yeah, just let me pull my glasses down and look over them for a second

592
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,360
While you take that picture

593
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:52,360
So he seems to have made a living now in his life. Like what he does is he does talking points on his great grandfather's work

594
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,360
Okay, he also does have a podcast if you're ever looking for it my dash mu

595
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,280
Just search it in all the podcast things it will come up probably won't he hasn't posted since 2016. So and

596
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Honestly, half of his episodes are like seven minutes long. So like you can actually listen to them pretty quick. Yeah

597
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,640
Except that professor who came on that episode's an hour long

598
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,440
That's an interesting change and then hilarious enough one of the presentations that he was asked to give he put on there and at the end of it

599
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,080
One woman just wants him to give her the gist of the book

600
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,400
She's like come on sell me sell the book to me and she just wants to know what's in the book

601
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,000
She's not gonna actually buy it. It's a really awkward altercation

602
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,400
I might include it right here. I just want to know more about mu

603
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,880
I thought you were going to talk about mu and what he discovered and

604
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,360
And could give us a picture of it

605
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:47,880
I thought I provided a map but no I didn't I I want to know

606
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:56,280
About mu not about the book. I want to know about mu. What was it like who lived there?

607
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,400
How did it get started?

608
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,360
This kind of thing is more why?

609
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,360
I because I thought if you rewrote what was written that you would be able to entice us

610
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,440
To then want to read the book because she started telling us some of the things that he knew about mu

611
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,920
That's what I was

612
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,920
That's what I'm asking. Okay

613
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,560
There were 64 million people

614
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,880
It was a lush land

615
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,240
according to James he believed that it was

616
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:37,960
He believes it was the Garden of Eden that that's where people were created

617
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
I want more

618
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,960
It's in the book

619
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Come on entice me to buy

620
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,880
There's

621
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,400
The colonial empires and the evidence spread throughout the world that James said that he found

622
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,400
Can only go with

623
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,000
There's a lot of material in that book it's a 350 page book

624
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:12,760
But yeah, that's what he's up to and whenever he brings a guest on they seem to really refute the fact that his great-grandpa didn't actually

625
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,360
Have any hidden information and that this is all just lies

626
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:23,720
But when he's just speaking on his own, he seems to believe in his great-grandfather, but he could refute that I haven't listened to everything he said

627
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:29,640
Okay. I did just want to bring that up because what is an episode of ours if not referencing back to a website

628
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,360
That looks like it was made in the 90s and never updated. Hold on. I have to highlight everything

629
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,960
As I do on websites. Oh you you need to see now

630
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:45,160
Okay, there's nothing hidden on this one. There's no sex chats for us to accidentally click on you heard it here first

631
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Mymu.com is clean. Yeah

632
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560
So that's just what I wanted to bring up on Jack's Churchward

633
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:55,000
If you're hearing anybody like present talk about Mu, it's either him or somebody who's just talking about like ancient people

634
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,800
Nobody's really doing any more research on it anymore

635
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,840
Except we will talk about that in one second because I'm going to kind of lie like right after that

636
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,840
Is it us? Are we doing research on it?

637
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,640
No

638
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:13,720
Chelsea, do you remember how we were talking about everybody likes to use lost continents to prove that they're like just the better race

639
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,160
Yeah, we were just talking about that before the podcast

640
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,080
This guy named Mustafa Kemal Ataturk did this as well

641
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,920
He was the ruler of Turkey during the Armenian genocide

642
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,560
Yeah, because the Uyghurs are also Turkish

643
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:36,120
So he's like, oh, yeah, this proves that we are direct descendants of Mu, a lost continent and therefore a superior race

644
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Of course

645
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:45,800
He appointed Hasan Tasin as Turkish ambassador to Mexico in 1935 with the mission of researching the Mu theory and the links between Mata and the Turks

646
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,360
Which was inferred from the supposed link of Mayas and Turkic Uyghurs with Mu

647
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:57,560
After he sent his seventh report which referenced Churchward's books, Ataturk brought them to Turkey and had them translated into Turkish

648
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,480
The rest of the reports were about Mayan culture and language

649
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:07,240
Tasin found many words that were common with Turkish via pseudoscientific word comparisons

650
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:13,240
One of those words was the word tepec which means hill in Mayan and sounds very similar to the word tepec in Turkish

651
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,360
Which also means hill

652
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:23,400
Of course, coincidental similarities don't happen in languages and this means Turkish was the source of every language in the world

653
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Yeah, clearly

654
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,320
After this exploration, Ataturk gave Tasin the surname Mayatepec

655
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:37,400
So his name before was Hasan Tasin and he said no, your name now is Hasan Mayatepec because you know so much about the Maya

656
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,680
But yeah, horrible human being, he's likely the one who brought about the Armenian Genocide

657
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,200
Which hey, we're due genocide episodes, maybe we talk about it in the future

658
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,240
Yeah, maybe

659
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,400
Because you know we gotta keep this grounded

660
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,440
You guys can't be too happy

661
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,040
So that's it, right? That's all that Mu was and ever will be

662
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Well, there is of course this one thing

663
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:09,880
The sea off of Yonaguni is a popular diving location in the winter months in Japan because of this population of hand or head sharks

664
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:19,000
But in 1986 while looking for a good place to observe sharks, Kihachiro Aratake, a director of Yonaguni Cho Tourism Association

665
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,320
Noticed some singular seabed formations resembling architectural structures

666
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,680
Shortly thereafter, a group of scientists directed by Masaki Kimura, a member of the Yonaguni group,

667
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,720
of scientists directed by Masaki Kimura of the University of Ryukyus visited the formations

668
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:39,560
The formations has since become a relatively popular attraction for divers despite strong currents

669
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:45,080
And in 1997, Japanese industrialist Yasuo Motonabe sponsored an informal expedition

670
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,960
Including pseudo-archaeology writers John Anthony Wesson, Graham Hancock,

671
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,680
Geologists and French theorists Robert Schock, photographer Santa Faia,

672
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,800
and a few support divers and instructors and a film crew for Channel 4 and Discovery Channel

673
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,120
Another notable visitor was freediver Jacques Maillol, who wrote a book about this

674
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,240
Basically, people believe that they found a pyramid off the coast of Japan

675
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:09,800
Yes

676
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,040
And people believe that this is lost remnants of the continent of Mu

677
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Some people, I'm assuming

678
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,280
Some people, it is not the normal view of what's going on

679
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:20,760
Yeah

680
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Geologist Robert Schock, who was brought up earlier, believes that it is most likely natural

681
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Schock observed the sandstone that make up the Yonaguni formation to contain numerous

682
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,640
well-defined parallel bedding planes along which the layers easily separate

683
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,880
The rocks of this group are also crisscrossed by numerous sets of parallel vertically oriented

684
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,760
joints in the rocks

685
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,520
These joints are natural parallel fractures by which the rectangular

686
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,240
formations seen in the area likely formed

687
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,440
Yonaguni lies in an earthquake-prone region

688
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Such earthquakes tend to fracture the rocks in a regular manner

689
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,720
He also observed that there are similar formations in the northeast coast of Yonaguni

690
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,120
John Anthony West visited the formation with Schock and agreed that it was natural

691
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,320
formation and that Kimura had not looked carefully enough at the natural processes at work

692
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,200
Schock also believes that the drawings identified by Kimura are natural scratches on the rocks

693
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,560
and suggests that the walls are simply natural horizontal platforms

694
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,000
which fell into a vertical position when rocks below them eroded

695
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,720
and the alleged roads are simply channels in the rock

696
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,800
And sorry, I cut a lot of this article out

697
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,200
But basically the guy who was first diving there said he saw scribings on the walls

698
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,920
that looked like people put them there and roads on the ground

699
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,920
That doesn't stop pseudo-archaeologists from claiming that it's an artificial structure

700
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,440
Kimura first estimated that the formation must be at least 10,000 years old

701
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,240
dating it to a period when it would have been above water

702
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,720
and therefore surmised that the site may be a remnant of the mythical lost continent of Mu

703
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,400
In a report given to the 21st Pacific Science Congress in 2007

704
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,320
he revised his estimates and dated it 2,000 to 3,000 years ago

705
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,800
because the sea level then was close to current levels

706
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,280
He suggested that after construction tectonic activity caused it to be submerged below sea level

707
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,160
So it was at land level and then it fell into the sea

708
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,160
Archaeologist Richard J. Pearson believes this to be unlikely

709
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,640
Kimura believes he can identify a pyramid, castles, roads, monuments, and a stadium

710
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,960
He further stated that he believes that the structure is to be remnants of the Yamatai culture

711
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Supporters of artificial origins such as Graham Hamcock also argue that

712
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,440
while many of the features seen at Yonaguni are also seen in natural sandstorm formations

713
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,640
throughout the world, the concentration of so many peculiar formations in such a small area is highly unlikely

714
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,120
They also point to the relative absence of loose blocks on the flat areas of the formation

715
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,520
which would be expected if they were formed solely by natural erosion and fracturing

716
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,280
Robert Shock, who believes the formation was formed geologically, has noted that the rocks

717
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,960
are swept with strong currents

718
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120
So that's where I want to end off

719
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,120
There might be a pyramid at the bottom of the ocean near Japan

720
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,480
that people claim is the lost remnants of Mu

721
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,800
but it's likely just a natural formation

722
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,160
But people are still, like, even today people are saying, oh yeah

723
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,680
this is still remembered as a place despite the fact that like these two people

724
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,560
who are mainly known for creating Mu are crazy people

725
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,280
Yeah, as are with most lost civilizations as we have found out

726
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,080
and maybe in the future we will find one that is not made up by crazy people

727
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:13,720
Oh cool

728
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,360
And it's funny because like there are actually lost continents that are agreed to by modern geologists

729
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Right, we've covered some, right?

730
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,560
Yeah, Zealand

731
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,800
Zealand is a real lost continent, New Zealand is the remnants of it

732
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760
But that doesn't stop people from guessing about these ones

733
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,080
The Pacific Ocean makes a lot of sense for where you'd want to find one because it's so huge

734
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:35,560
Yeah

735
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,000
And dotted with islands

736
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,600
And in fact, a lot of people link Nandmadaal to Mu

737
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,960
That was the other one

738
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,520
It doesn't make any sense though

739
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,520
In my mind they're saying, oh yeah, Nandmadaal must have been above land when it was built

740
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,720
But that doesn't make any sense because it'd be atop of a freaking giant mountain

741
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,760
So it'd be even harder to build at the top of a mountain

742
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,520
But there is Machu Picchu

743
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,760
There is, but it's not that high compared to where Nandmadaal would be

744
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,560
Really? Okay, so that doesn't make sense

745
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,760
But yeah, that's the episode

746
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,080
That was another, you know, look at these crazy people that made talk about these continents

747
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:09,640
Yeah

748
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:10,760
Because blatantly made shit up

749
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:17,800
And more episodes than I would like end up being like, wow, this is really ethnocentric, bordering on racism

750
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:24,840
It is, and it's just like I said earlier, it's like, wow, this is, you're taking something that is not

751
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,360
This is, you're taking something that people think is such a spiritual thing when you start hearing about it

752
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,760
And you go, wow, like Atlantis and Mu, it's so new agey

753
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,760
And then you actually look into it and you're like, wow, it's not really new agey at all

754
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,120
It's just people that made up some real racist things

755
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,080
And in fact, that is really interesting you bring that up

756
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Because I have been hearing in the last, probably, I don't know if it's six months or closer to a year or two years

757
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:57,880
But a lot of new agey people falling very much so into an anti-vax fascist like viewpoint of the world

758
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,080
And I'm wondering if like the critical thinking process on that side of it is similar

759
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,400
It could be, it could be

760
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,960
However, I've been into like new agey things and maybe it is

761
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,840
You just, you just want to believe without looking into it

762
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,840
Whereas if these people did look into these things that are associated with what is new age

763
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,760
Then they would quickly find out

764
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,920
And I mean, I never looked into it until I had to do a podcast on it

765
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,760
Because it didn't interest me that much

766
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,360
I just thought, oh, like people who believe in this must just be higher thinking than other people

767
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,600
Because it was a lost civilization

768
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,400
But if you even look in a little bit into it

769
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,640
If you even listen to a podcast about it

770
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,400
It becomes quite evident is not what you think it might be

771
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,760
Because you just kind of made it up in your head what it is

772
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,240
Well, and it's so hard to just say like you can't just prove yeah, you're lying

773
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,040
Like that's it

774
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:57,000
When it's like no, I found tablets that nobody else can see because I don't have them

775
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,800
But I translated them from a language that nobody else knows

776
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,720
But this one guy you can't know his name

777
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,520
Yeah, and it turns out that the guy who looked into it and like started the whole thing

778
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,480
He was reincarnated from like royalty in Mexico in the Mayans

779
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,600
And it's just a pretty messed up site

780
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,960
And you bring up a good point

781
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,680
And maybe it is the critical thinking that's not there

782
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,800
Because yeah, there was a significant portion of the population

783
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,720
The group of people who are in the new age

784
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,280
And then ended up voting for Trump in the last election

785
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,480
And I mean, I feel like I'm one of those people

786
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,320
But when you really think about it

787
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,040
Because I believe in like new agey kind of things

788
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:41,640
But I wouldn't say I necessarily believe in this after we've looked into it and like other things

789
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,320
Yeah, every time you look into your things for this podcast, man

790
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,280
I know I'm always left disappointed

791
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,160
But I don't want to be grouped in with that

792
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,840
So I feel like I want to protect them

793
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,360
But at the same time, I don't know what to think in my head

794
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,600
But hey, maybe we'll know in the future what to tell you about that

795
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,160
It seems like an issue we'll probably be able to tackle

796
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,800
Because after all we are turning to the fringe

797
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,160
I am Taylor here with Chelsea

798
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,720
Thank you all for listening and we will see you next week

799
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,680
Can I just read you this popular Google search if I Google noodling desk per year?

800
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,120
Yes

801
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,720
Noodling snapping turtle

802
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,400
That sounds so painful

803
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,640
So painful

804
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:25,020
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805
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,200
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806
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,520
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807
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,280
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815
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,360
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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,280
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817
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,200
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818
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819
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:07,800
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