Okay, it's time for an opener and I don't care if this gives it away. I'm just gonna read the headline murder
Don't do it. Don't do it
No, I have to i'm gonna do it murder suspect claims victim summoned bigfoot to kill him
We murder victim yeah
Okay murder suspect claims victim summoned bigfoot to kill him
Yeah
No, that's murder suspects
Which i'm confused what a murder suspect is
I'm reading it right? Okay. Let's talk about it. Yeah, aida, oklahoma. Of course. It's in oklahoma
Oklahoma not oklahoma an oklahoma man is facing a murder charge after he allegedly killed his friend
Deputies said he claimed the victim had summoned bigfoot to go after and kill him the hon totok
county sheriff's department responded to a call about an alleged killing
Saturday afternoon just outside of the city limits of aida oklahoma deputies arrived at the scene to 53 year old suspect larry sanders
Admitting to a family member that he had killed his friend jimmy naitan
Oklahoma state bureau of investigation said in a press release that sanders and naitan had been noodle noodling or
No, they were noodling noodling is how you catch catfish you stick your fist into a catfish hole and they bite on
And you just pull your fist out. Okay, it's a thing. It's crazy
That is crazy. I'm glad that you're here to say, you know what noodling is
It's with a fist just so you can earn the same
So they're doing this in the river when a confrontation ensued sanders allegedly struck and strangled naitan as part of the investigation
The sheriff's department was able to uncover a motive quote appeared to be under the influence of something
So his statement was that mr
Naitan had summoned bigfoot to come and kill him and that's why he had to kill mr
Naitan end quote sheriff john christian said search agencies in the sheriff's department weren't able to locate the victim's body until sunday afternoon
Investigators are now working to uncover proof of the alleged crime quote. It always makes it easier
You still have to prove all the elements of the crime and what the suspect is telling you you have to prove that that's
Actually what happened christian said end quote sanders is charged with first degree murder the sheriff says the death penalty is the harshest
Punishment the prosecution could push for in this case and that's that this was published by
Wmtv mbc15.com. So this sounds like a story that we're actually going to get an update on
Yeah, I was just looking at when this was published. There might be an update. It was published july 12
2022 so let's add that to the list of things we're watching
Okay, by popular demand people are gonna want to know what happened to this
All I was picturing is kind of like when two siblings are playing and one of them accidentally gets hurt
And they're like i'm gonna go tell dad and the other one's like no you can't go
But this one it was but this is
To kill you it really does seem that way doesn't it especially that they're out noodling
Yeah, and I had to share that with you and i'm not sure just because I saw noodling for the first time
They had to use it in a sentence. Oh, yeah
You can go look up on youtube noodling techniques or how to noodle catfish
Then you'll find videos of people like you stick your fist in the hole and they bite onto the fist
And then you just pull them out of their hole people die that way all the time actually because catfish can get huge
What yeah, okay. I guess i'm just gonna have to believe you on this one because oh right here that is
Is fucked up. Okay, I could have gone my whole life without normal. Yeah. Also you get scars from it
Sorry now i'm googling died noodling
noodling accidents noodling deaths per year noodling gone wrong
Okay, you know what with that we probably should get started with the episode if we must
From the unexplained to the mundane come join us on a journey to the fringe
Hello and welcome to journey to the fringe doling out fringe topics in bite-size roughly hour-long portions
Some people just take long bigger bites than others. We are your easily digested podcast hosts taylor and chelsea and here today
We are talking about lost continents and possibly racism
And let's face it because we're talking about lost cause and yes, we are at some point. That's what we call foreshadowing
That's usually what comes up in all the lost continents. We've looked at heavy racism heavy racism heavy
But what's continents could we possibly be talking about? Surely they must cover atlantis now
No, because atlantis isn't a fringe topic. Everybody knows about atlantis
But you know what people don't know about the lost continent of moo. What's that? That's a good question. I don't know
Okay
I just start the word
Today we are going to talk about the lost continent of moo to give you just a brief overview
Because it doesn't actually come up for a long way down into my episode turns out
I really just talked about two really weird guys for a while which at the end of the day is that not what this podcast is
All about just to give you an idea. What is moo?
Well, the lost continent of moo is the theory that there was a continent in the middle of the pacific ocean that encompassed
Basically all the way from hawaii down to australia massive continent
That was right there. That would make sense
Depending on who you're talking to some people believe lemuria and moo
Are the exact same continent right and that is why I actually had to check with you to make sure we didn't cover this already
But oh man, we did not cover this because I found some very interesting stories. Oh good because I don't remember you asking me that
Well, I almost changed my topic because it seems like we already covered this
So is there a continent there because it seems like with so many islands there might be you know what we'll get into it at the end
I think I gave you enough to at least give you an idea of what the continent is
And I think I gave you enough to at least kind of understand what moo is
That now I can actually get into the history of the people who talk about moo and bring it forth as a proposed lost continent
Okay, I need a setup
So to start this off we can go no further back than a man by the name of augustus la plongeon
La plongeon was born on the island of jersey on may 4th 1825 and at 19
He sailed to south america and sorry this guy just has such an interesting history that you've got to start with his entire life
Cool. Where's jersey jersey is an island just off of britain. It's one of the um, tax havens of the uk
Okay, he was born in a tax haven suite. I don't know if it was a tax haven at the time, but now it is
Okay at 19. He started sailing to south america and his boat got destroyed
It was shipwrecked and he ended up off the coast of chile. What would you do if you had got shipwrecked off the coast of chile?
What would I do? Um, yeah at the age of 19 probably assimilate. I think okay
And I guess that's technically what he did. Okay. Good. I'm on the right track from there
He settles in valparaiso and he taught mathematics drawing and languages at a local college keeping in mind
He's 19 at the time. So I don't know how he got that damn job, but he assimilated
Well, if you come in and you're confident enough in your skills, they don't know what you're talking about
But I know you must know something no and and he seems like a man with his wherewithal
So he should have been constantly doing math up until that yeah
So to teach it isn't that kind of makes sense if you're not like himid and like, you know
You come in you know what you're talking about what you're doing. That does not sound like augustus le plongeon. Yeah, exactly
Okay, cool he's dignified now
Yeah, so it uh, it seems like he does that for about four years and in 1949
He leaves chile for the golden dream of san francisco during the california gold rush
Okay, so he goes there and he worked as a surveyor for a while
You know the 49ers 1849 in fact when all the gold rushers went there
Okay, but instead of actually becoming a gold rusher
He works as a surveyor which actually probably gives you steadier work and gets you paid pretty well
He also apprentices to become a doctor of medicine during that time
So this is a guy who really can't pick one topic to continue forward with
Interesting. Okay one of his accomplishments as a surveyor included drawing a plan for the layout of the town of marysville
California and the central valley in 1851 augustus was paid for his service as a surveyor with land deeds
And he would sell these lands
He profited from the sale of these plots and his income funded basically the rest of his life and all
Archaeological expeditions that he may go on after this. Oh, right. I forgot we were talking about mu
Yeah, yeah, so that's actually the whole point of talking about okay
But no outside of that the guy has an interesting life. He does. Yeah, that is
That was a wild ride
Okay. Yeah
So good
He becomes a very wealthy man le plonjon travels back to england and he starts seeing demonstrations of a photographic
Process at the great exhibition. I forgot to look up what the great exhibition is
But this is basically when photography is taking the world by storm and he thinks man
I gotta get in on this so he stays in england to study photography under william fox talbot
Who kind of is one of the pioneers in britain of photography and he meets his wife alice that he ends up marrying
She is 25 years younger than him, but they come to an arrangement and she comes from a family
Her dad is very well known in the photography world and he wants to be a pioneer in archaeology
So they kind of marry their strengths together and they set off in archaeology
Augustus wanted to test these methods in tropical climates
So he spent time traveling to st. Thomas virgin islands as well as mexico australia china and the pacific islands
And he returned to san francisco to open a daguerreotype
Which is basically where you get portraits done a daguerreotype portrait studio on play street and in 1862
He traveled to lima peru and opened another photography studio and quote
Electrohydropathic medical clinic based on early form of an alternative medicine
I did not look into electrohydropathic medicine at all, but like fringe medicine
It has to be with a name like that. I don't think anybody practices
Electrohydropathic medicine anymore. So I I think it is now debunked
Fringe medicine, but he goes down to peru and then he starts to get into mayan archaeology
And this is where he really comes to fame. I took up most of this next part from a website called mexico unexplained
I think they summed it up very well. So this is what they say about the rest of his life here from the time
He set foot in chichén Itza agustus le plongeon sought to prove
Diffusion theories and to make the case that mayan civilization was not only old but it was the oldest on earth and the mother of many
other world civilizations
Le plongeon's interpretation of what he saw and found at chichén Itza has been called by some authors as quote
inventive and
The culture provided quote a blank slate end quote and could fill with it
Whatever he wanted sometimes bending the physical archaeological records accordingly one of le plongeon's first inventive
Interpretations of what he saw at chichén Itza had to do with a mayan rope design
He saw as part of a temple's frontal carvings
He declared that the maya had an ancient telegraph system that spanned the globe and connected it to other
Civilizations and colonies it had throughout the world. So the maya I believe it's actually the aztecs
Didn't have a written language. They use knots in ropes to convey information
So that's likely what was being represented there and he said no, it's clearly dots and dashes that they're showing
They had a telegraph system around the world the mayans were so advanced
Okay
One of the biggest licenses he took with what he was uncovering was when he discovered a series of wall carvings on el castillo
Also now known as the temple of kukulquen
Not only did le plongeon claim that one of the portraits of the warriors on the temple looked like him
He claimed that he was the reincarnation of that warrior and that he had actually lived in chichén Itza in a tey day
As one of its rulers he communicated his beliefs or assertions to the maya crew working with him and they believed him
No
No, he's paying their bill. So they're like sure sure so long as you're gonna keep
David wilcock took notes from this guy
He did have a strange knack for finding important artifacts everyone would agree
And so maybe some thought there was truth to what he was saying
He and his wife alice would pioneer a new pseudo scientific field while in mexico that of quote psychic archaeology
End quote they came upon major artifacts
They claimed by using a unique blend of supposed psychic abilities intuition and channeling spirits to help them with their finds in london
Alice le plongeon had been very involved in seances mesmerism and studying the occult
As they wrote about their findings and published them in newspapers and magazines in america
The work of the plongeon's gained the attention of then new york-based russian mystic and occultists
madame helena blavatsky
She's back
Blavatsky took some of the le plongeon mexican research and incorporated into her theosophical movement in her public writings
Blavatsky hailed augustus and alice le plongeon as pioneers and as she put it quote metaphysical archaeology end quote
While being celebrated among the mystical circles in new york and london the le plongeon's had less and less support from mainstream academic and
Antiquarian publications and institutions while they seem to have a special skill for finding impressive artifacts
The le plongeon's were the first to do major excavations at sites such as chichen itza and uxmole
And because of this there were plenty of things for them to find in every turn both augustus and alice kept up the mystical and
Occult angle and continued crafting their tenuous prehistory of the new world in spite of serious objections and doubts from those seeking a more
mainstream view of antiquity a big turning point in the research of the le plongeon's occurred when augustus found by psychic means of course
A large reclining stone figure seven meters underground which he called a chakmul a name meaning
Quote red or great jaguar paw end quote in yukatec maya
He immediately declared that chakmul had been a ruler of chichen itza
And he had seen this ruler depicted throughout the ruins on stone carvings and in murals
Le plongeon tried to spirit the statue out of mexico to get it to the 1876
Philadelphia centennial exposition in the united states but was floored by government officials who apprehended the chakmul and took it to mexico city there
It was exhibited as one of the most important finds in the century and part of the mexican patrimony that would never leave the country
Although le plongeon's plan was snuffed out
He continued to weave the ancient story of the mythical ruler chakmul who was also known as prince co
chakmul was the brother of prince ak the evil lord of uxmole prince ak defeated chakmul in mortal combat
Not the video game i'm assuming because this would be way in the past
But of course they had modern technology back then so maybe it was mortal combat
Who knows and chakmul's widow came to rule the kingdom as queen mu
The territory of chichen itza and its surroundings became known as the kingdom of mu queen mu was then forced to marry her evil brother-in-law prince ak
At which point she fled to egypt where she was revered revered as the goddess isis
She also brought with her a complex civilization with its origins in nexico one of queen mu's last acts in the americas
Le plongeon explained was to commission a stone carving dedicated to her husband in the form of chakmul statue with a further
elaboration of the ancient mayan ancient egypt connection came an even more fantastic claim regarding queen mu she had returned to the yukatan
115 generations later reincarnated as none other than alice le plongeon
His wife
While accepted by people such as the members of madame blvatsky's
Piosophical society very few serious scholars took the work of le plongeon seriously after queen mu ice's alice connection
This didn't stop the le plongeon and their discoveries and the interpretations kept coming in addition to claiming the connection to egypt through isis
Augustus le plongeon claimed to have discovered stone tablets in chichen itza showing details of ancient mayan rites of free masonry
As a high-ranking free mason himself le plongeon was eager to point out masonic signs and symbols in the ruins throughout the yukatan
He claimed that the triangular arches numbers of temple steps and carved figures seeming to wear masonic aprons indicated that the ancient mexicans had
knowledge of free masonry sacred mysteries in that these masonic rites and mysteries originated in the new world not the old
It was queen mu as isis who transferred this arcane knowledge to egypt
This assertion was a point of pride for augustus le plongeon because it seemed to give more legitimacy to american free mason lodges
Americans could thus shed some of its inferiority complex if it could claim such ancient roots to free masonry
Which was very popular in the united states at the end of the 19th century. This guy's insane
Like he stumbled into a fork in I mean it started okay, but now it's just like I yeah
Imagine going on an archaeology dig and being like that guy that was in charge you see in that picture. That was me
You guys all believe me right by the way, if you don't you're fired
I can't see see
Like that's just bizarre so
Um, one thing this guy was not good at outside of archaeology, of course was naming books
Le plongeon wrote several books on the subjects above that I just discussed
The first he wrote in 1880 and it was called okay. Get ready for this
Gonna take a while vestiges of the mayas or facts tending to prove that communications and intimate relations
Must have existed in very remote times between the inhabitants of maya and those of asia and africa
Okay, that's an awful name
Yeah, it's not catchy at all
nope
I would just pass that by yeah guys. I would start and i'm like there's this is too much
I can't even read this
I can't even read this that was just numbers 1984. Look at that. That's easy. I read that one
Yeah
His next book in 1886. Okay, get ready for this
sacred mysteries among the mayas and the quiches
11,500 years ago not the end just the colon their relation to the sacred mysteries of egypt greece chaldea and india
Yeah, semi-colon or freemasonry and times of interior to the temple of solomon end of title. He had so many opportunities to just
Just end it. Yeah
By the way that first title at least he did learn to break it up a little bit
No colons or semi-colons second title colon and semi-colon. So getting there
Oh, it sounds like
Found it enthralling though. You know what? I bet nobody got past the title and they just said oh, yeah
It was great. And then when you talk about those things they just agreed because they didn't actually hear what he said
That's a very good theory. I would probably go along with that
Yeah, okay
And this guy learned something in the next decade because in 1896 he comes up with his last book
Titled queen moo and the egyptian sphinx and that's it. Oh, that's it
Yeah, he must have taken some advice from someone he trusted or he died writing it somebody else is like, yeah
Yeah, we just got
His body just didn't have it in him to continue
So he just died because to be fair
He's 71 years old in that last book too and sorry he lives for 12 more years after that
Okay, so he lives to the ripe old age of 83. So I didn't happen to mention a mysterious island
Well that comes up a little bit
But it's more so the queen moo that or princess moo queen moo that really is where this kind of comes from
But the mythical idea of the land of moo first appears in the works of british-american
Antiquarian augustus le plongeon after his investigation of the mayan ruins in the yucatan
He claimed that he had translated the first copies of the popovu the sacred book of the quiche from the ancient mayan using spanish
He claimed the civilization of the yucatan was older than those of greece and egypt and told the story of an even older
continent le plongeon got the name moo from charles etienne brasseur de bourgogues who in 1864 also
Mistranslated what he was then calling the troano codex now called the madrid codex using delanda
Alphabet brasseur believed that a word which he read as moo referred to a land that had been submerged by a catastrophe
Le plongeon identified this lost land with atlantis and following ignatius donnelly in atlantis the
Anti-deluvian world in 1882 identified it as a continent that once existed in the atlantic ocean
So le plongeon originally and i saw it a little bit contradicting but i'm pretty sure this is the way that's correct
Le plongeon believed that moo was a continent that existed in the atlantic ocean where atlantis would be it's kind of an interchangeable name
And that from there atlantis was gone
They went to the new world and then went back to the old world and that's kind of how everything diffused from there
Okay, and here's a direct quote from le plongeon in our journey westward across the atlantic
We shall pass in sight of that spot where once existed the pride in life of the ocean the land of moo
Which at the epoch that we have been considering had not yet been visited by the wrath of human that lord of volcanic fires
To whose fury it afterwards fell a victim the description of that land given to solon by soncus priest of saiz
Its destruction by earthquakes and submergence recorded by playdo in his timaeus
Have been told and retold so many times that it is useless to encumber these pages with a repetition of it
Le plongeon claimed that the civilization of ancient egypt was founded by queen moo a refugee of the lands demise other refugees
Supposedly fled to central america and became the maya so it is a little confusing about what he said
But that kind of is the gist and where the original people first talked about the land as a lost continent
Not sure where I thought it would have shown up first, but I wasn't expecting well, maybe I was expecting this
To be perfectly honest
I actually thought that this was a lost continent people in asia believed existed or like china japan
I did not expect it to first come up from like mayan translations. No, no, but it's sounding about right from
Origins, I mean they're they all start pretty eccentric most of them some of them are pretty old
And that brings us to our next eccentric at this point for the most part
The le plongeon are near the end of their lives. So that that's kind of where their look into moo kind of ends
And somebody else takes up the mantle his name is james churchward and where most of the common age beliefs in moo come from
Most of it comes from this guy. So we're going to cover him a little bit in his back story
It's nowhere near as exciting as augustus le plongeon. So we're just going to cover it in more vague detail
So churchward born in britain. He then moves to southeast asia becoming a tea planter in sri lanka
He immigrates to the u.s in the 1890s and in churchward's biography entitled my friend
Churchy and his sunken continent. It was said to have discussed moo with augustus le plongeon and his wife in the 1890s
So he apparently was actually quite close with the le plongeon. He also is a very wealthy man
He owns a few patents like I was reading the timeline of his life and he has like eight twelve patents on different train
Technologies which are huge in the late 1800s. Yeah
1900s so he is a well-off man and he starts writing all the books that he ends up writing later in his life
So he's 75. I believe he's born in the 1850s in
1926 he writes the lost continent of moo the motherland of men in 1931 the children of moo in
1933 the sacred symbols of moo 1934 cosmic forces of moo and two more books the second book of the cosmic forces of moo
In 1935. I mean they're straight to the point. Oh, no, I'm sorry that that is the last book
He wrote second book of the cosmic forces of moo and I just want to take this excerpt
This is from his book the lost continent
And it's basically this the start of the first chapter and to give you an idea of what he actually believes about moo
I I couldn't find any better way than to just read it from his first book
Okay
When how we came across this knowledge chapter 1 the Garden of Eden was not in Asia
But on a now sunken continent in the Pacific Ocean the biblical story of creation the epic of the seven days and seven nights
Came first not from the peoples of the Nile or the Euphrates Valley
But from this now submerged continent moo the motherland of man these assertions can be proved by the complex records
I discovered upon long forgotten sacred tablets in India together with records from other countries
They tell of the strange country of 64 million inhabitants who 50,000 years ago had developed the civilizations
Superior in many respects to our own they described among other things the creation of man in mysterious land of moo by
Comparing this writing with records of other ancient civilizations as revealed in written documents prehistoric ruins and geological phenomena
I found that all these centers of civilization had drawn their culture from a common source
Moo we may therefore be sure that the biblical story of the creation as we know it today
Evolved from the impressive account gathered from other ancient tablets which relate to the history of moo history
500 centuries old the manner in which this original story of the creation came to light
Forms a tale that takes us back more than 50 years. It was a famine time in India
I was assisting in relief work the high priest of a college temple. Although I did not know it at first
He was exceedingly interested in archaeology and the records of the ancients and had a greater knowledge of those subjects than any other living man
When he saw one day that I was trying to decipher a peculiar bass relief
He took an interest in me that brought about one of the truest friendships
I have ever known he showed me how to solve the puzzle of those
Peculiar inscriptions and offered to give me lessons which would fit me for still more difficult work for more than two years
I studied diligently a dead language my priestly friend believed to be the original tongue of mankind
He informed me that his language was understood by only two other high priests in India a great difficulty arose from the fact that many
Of the apparently simple inscriptions had hidden meanings which had been designed
especially for the holy brothers than it calls a priestly brotherhood sent from the motherland to the colonies to teach the sacred writings
Religion and the sciences one day being an in a talkative mood
He told me there were a number of ancient tablets in the secret archives of the temple what they consisted of he did not know
For he had seen only the chests containing them although he was in position to examine the writings
He had never done so as these were sacred records not to be touched day after day
I attempted to discover some method by which I could attain access to the hidden treasures
But my friend although extremely curious was adamant in his refusal to let me see them quote my son and quote
He would say a touch of sadness in his voice
I would that I could satisfy your desire, but that may not be they are sacred relics
Must not be taken out of their containers
I dare not grant your wish, but you think they may not be packed properly and may break and crumble in their boxes
I urge we should at least look at them to see if they are safe, but this argument was of no avail
Six months past curiosity or anxiety about their condition had won the contest over my priestly friend for one evening on the table in front
Of him two of the ancient tablets were lying on a cloth. I examined with curiosity the long hidden tablets
They were apparently of some burnt clay and extremely dusty with great care
I cleaned them and then set to work deciphering the characters that were in the same dead language
I had seen studying with my friend fortune was with me that evening for these two precious forms of clay revealed facts of
Such import we both realized that here indeed were the genuine records of mood the history
However broke off abruptly at a most interesting point at the bottom of the second tablet
Not even the high priest could restrain his curiosity to see the rest
He said it is impossible for us to leave off here my son
I shall get the next tablet out tomorrow
Fortunately, the next tablet he procured were not of the same series
But had to do with an entirely different subject in order to find the consecutive tablets all had to be brought out
It was well for many of the tablets had been so badly packed that they were broken
These were restored with cement when I repacked them
I wrapped these tablets in tissue paper and cotton wool my son said the priest I feel that a sacred warning was sent to me
Through your voice to safeguard the relics months of intense concentration in translating the tablets followed
But the reward justified the effort the writing described in detail the creation of the earth and of man and the place where he first
appeared move
Realizing that I had unearthed secrets of great importance in the elucidation of that internal problem man
I sought the other lost tablets, but without success
I carried letters of introduction to high priests of temples throughout India
But in every instance I was received with coldness and suspicion
I have traced this same story from Mu to India where colonizers from the vanished
Continent had settled from India into Egypt from Egypt to the temple of Sinai
Where Moses copied it and from Moses to the faulty translations of Ezra 800 years later
The plausibility of this will be apparent even to those who have not studied the subject carefully
When they see the close resemblance between the story of the creation as we know it and the tradition that originated
That's the end of the quote from the book. Holy shit. Yeah
That's my comment any questions. I don't think so
Okay, so I just want to make a few notes here and it is something that many of his critiquers say
Yeah, did you notice how he described the priest he was talking to not?
Particularly yeah as if he didn't give a shit about the priest who is talking to him or giving even bothered to give him a name
Okay, so that anybody else could back up what he was saying. Okay now that you mentioned it
No, maybe that's good friend. His great friend that he was able to befriend
He got so close to that. He said I'm going to share this dead language that literally only two other people in the world
Know because it is so secret. Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother to name this priest. Why would you no logical reason?
No, or did he name where he was in India or in other places?
He also says he's into death, but he never bothers to claim where these tablets were
Maybe he thinks it gives him more credibility. That's the question. I don't know probably yeah
Hey, you know what like this this guy doesn't want to get in trouble because he shared like forbidden knowledge with him
Yeah, yeah, he's protecting them. Yeah doesn't want to get in trouble with the rest of the world
Oh, okay, what you want to exactly and another weird one. He ends up bringing up the Bible. Yes, he did like oh, yeah
This is all just the Bible. Yeah, it came up multiple times
He's also told at a later point that oh, yeah mu had a monotheistic religion which had four rules
God is one everything came from him and will return to him the body and soul are separate
The body dies and the soul doesn't while they are being separated
The soul is born in different bodies to reach perfection
The souls which reach the perfection return to God and merge with him
In other words, it is roughly on par with most new age bullshit that comes out and still comes out
It's very God shows up even Jesus shows up even in
Places where you wouldn't think Jesus would even be a known thing the next thing that does come up
This is in the intro
So this is just something I wanted to bring up all matters of science in this work are based on the
Translations of two sets of ancient tablets Nicole tablets
Which I discovered in India many years ago and a large collection of stone tablets over 2500 recently discovered by William Niven
In Mexico both sets had the same origin for both sets or extracts from the sacred inspired writings of mu the nicale
Tablets written with the Naga symbols and characters and legends say were written in the motherland and first brought to Burma and then to India
That's a direct quote from his book James Churchward
His great-grandson is actually alive and he talks about mu based on what his great-grandfather wrote
Oh my god, he'll come up later, but he specifically
Significantly interviewed it was an hour-long interview on his podcast. He has a podcast
I don't think he does it anymore, but he had a podcast
I should say he interviewed a professor by the name of and sorry
I just need to look it up because I was listening to it this morning and it is very important for this
Dr. Jeb card and hilariously enough from the University of Miami in Ohio
Which I'm guessing is near the Little Miami River or a little Miami
That is pertinent information
But
Anyhow, he was asking specifically about these 2,500 tablets that William Niven found in Mexico and he said oh, yeah
Actually the University of Miami has a couple of them and I'm fairly certain
It's not impossible, but I'm pretty sure they're fake and he goes into it and says basically
There are a few things that make him believe that first off in Latin America
If you're hiring locals to find things they like to fake things that they find so that you'll just buy them off them or
If you're leasing their land to find things they want you to find things so they'll fake things for you to find
a lot of freaking cool and
It's the fact that only he has ever found things like this and he said like even if you find something unique
Generally, we will find other things that are associated to it or have the same cultural identifiers on as within the area
There are other people digging in the exact same areas as William Niven
They never find the exact same things only William Niven ever finds these particular tablets
2,500 of them that are all completely different than anything ever found in Mexico outside of okay
So they're for sure fake. Yeah as a professor by the name of Jeb card at the University of Miami says
It was actually a very interesting podcast. We'll get into Jack later. That's churchwards son
And then the second half I didn't bring up in the first little excerpt from his story
But James Churchward talks about the Uyghur Empire and how it was actually a part of Mu
The Uyghur Empire would be the part of the continents that didn't sink that part of the colonies of Mu
They would be the parts that were left behind once Mu sank. Well, who are the Uyghurs?
The only place I know that term from Chelsea. Have you ever heard that term? I don't think I have
Okay, and it might just be how I'm pronouncing it to the place
I've heard it from are the Uyghur people of Western China who are being heavily brutalized right now put into concentration camps more or less
Or indoctrination camps. Oh, yeah in Western China
U I G H U R Uyghur camps China. It's in Xinjiang province. That's for looking at later
Oh, this is the same spelling for the people you're talking about right now
Yes
And it's because they actually technically draw their heritage from this group because there it was technically there is a Uyghur Empire
It existed in the seventh century. It spanned a great distance
It was basically like the Silk Road everything that encompasses Silk Road would be the Uyghur Empire
Okay, and it did actually stretch into parts of Europe, but he has a different definition of it
Although he never specifically really talked about it. I did find on his great-grandson's webpage
He put it kind of an excerpt for the Uyghur people and this is what he asked
Hans Stefan Santensen wrote and published a book in 1970 entitled
Understanding Mu that attempts to explain the theories of James Churchward and one chapter in it is the Uyghurs and is reproduced here
And this is right from that Churchward describes the great Uyghur Empire is the largest and most important
Colonial Empire belonging to Mu the Empire of the Sun quote next to Mu herself
The Uyghur Empire was the largest Empire the world has ever known
End quote the eastern boundary of the Uyghur Empire was the Pacific Ocean
The western boundary was about where Moscow now stands with settlements extending through Central Europe to the Atlantic
The southern boundary cut through what is now northern Persia India and present-day North Vietnam
And this is kind of why I wanted to talk about this this next paragraph
The history of the Uyghurs can be said to be the history of the Aryan races for all the true Aryan races
Descended from the Uyghur forefathers the Uyghurs formed chains of settlements across Central Europe in
Turchurae times after the Empire was destroyed by the great magnetic
Cataclysm and the raising of the mountains the survivors and their descendants once more form settlements in Europe
This was during the Pleistocene time the Slavs the Teutons the Celts Irish Bretons and Basques are all descended from Uyghur
Stop the Bretons Basques and genuine Irish are the descendants of those who came to Europe in Turchurae times
Descendants of those who survived the raising of the mountains
Legends all through the East tell how the whole of Central Asia including the Himalayas was at one time a flat
Cultivated land of fertile fields forests lakes and rivers with magnificently constructed roads and highway
Connecting the various cities and towns with each other these were well-built cities huge temples and public institutions
Elaborate private houses and palaces of the rulers today the land is a desert
You have to dig 50 feet down through a stratum of boulder gravel and sand before you reach the ruins of Caracotta
But elsewhere in the Gobi Desert where the water did not wash away all the soil to bare rocks
You can see the dried up beds of rivers canals and lakes that existed before the disaster
The waggers who appear to have been like the Quetzals of a light complexion with milk white skin with blue eyes and light hair
Predominating in the north were the first colonists from Mu
Aryans aren't like are we referring to that as like the made-up race that HPB was always talking about
No, we would be talking about it as like how the Nazis would define Aryans is like the perfect human blonde hair blue eyes
It's so what's made up. They're saying that these are descendants of Aryans and this is made up
I don't know if it's necessarily the same one because I haven't gone into how the Nazis actually defined Aryan
But I've always just kind of figured it like that's what they would be taught
Yeah, but it's not not that Larry in the fifth generation of humans
You know, it would more so be like the blonde-eyed blue-haired like perfect
Yeah, like I know what what Aryan means, but this isn't a real race and they're saying that these waggers are
Descendants of Aryans and they're not right? Yeah, that that's basically like they yeah, they can't be okay
I'm just putting it out there because this is where the racism comes in because HPB did the same thing
There's a lot of racism in the history that she drew from. Yeah. Okay. Just wanted to put that out there
Oh, and by the way, I keep saying the call records
He called the race from mood Nicole and their language Nicole and that's the one that three other people in the world speak at the time
or
Nicole records found by turtured in one of the Tibetan monasteries and again
This is where it says Tibetan when it might have been India
Who knows tell how the Nicole's 70,000 years ago had brought to the Weiger capital city's copies of the sacred inspired writings of the motherland
Turtured was told by his rishi that when the great flood swept up over eastern and northeastern Asia
It destroyed the Weiger capital city drowning all of the inhabitants and buried a great library
Which had been brought there by the Nicole's from the motherland many years afterwards than the calls in the west whom the flood had not
Reached went to these ruins and dug up the tablets and carried them to the temple in the west there
They remained until the mountains were raised and the temple was destroyed once more burying the records many many years afterwards the descendant of those
Nicole's who had survived the raising of the mountains went and dug them out again and brought them to the temple where they are now
Deposited churchward states that neither his monastery nor the tablets are unknown
And that they are well known to oriental scholars and that to his own personal knowledge five europeans three
Englishmen and two russians had visited this monastery
He also quotes his rishi as stating that the nicole library deposited in the secret archives of the temple located at iodia
Was never discovered by those who sacked the city and presumably remains there and under the ruins intact
That's his history of mu and the Weiger empire
They all seem to have a fairly lost civilization so to say
Lost continents have a similar kind of history don't they they sure do and in fact it comes up on bad archaeology
and fake archaeology wikipedia's
Which apparently are things which I was able to read
And also I just wanted to bring this up now. This is from the previous article
I was talking about the mexican explained one but makes more sense to say it here
We would see the histories of ancient mexico created by augustus la plongeon develop into something altogether different
After his papers and notes were passed to a man named james churchward by the recently widowed alice la plongeon in 1911
Churchward repackaged his stories and elaborated on them in his books
And it's quite interesting that he claims to have visited this high priest in india when he was a like young man
But doesn't write a book until he's 75
But is only 15 years after he talked to alice la plongeon about the stories that the family had from that
Of course the timing makes perfect sense. Yeah
Only natural the next steps there. Yeah. Okay, so this next part that I gotta bring up
It's the fake archaeology site
So it's talking about a few of the traps that he seems to fall into about lost continents
The first one is called hyper diffusion. Chelsea. Have you ever heard this term? No, okay
But it's going to make sense what it is like right off the bat hyper diffusion is the idea that all major cultural innovations
And societies derive from one major superior ancient civilization
It's just people see that people on opposite sides of the world are doing something somewhat similar like oh, yeah
So that must mean that it all comes from one thing. Yeah, usually if an individual believes in hyper diffusion
They do not acknowledge that two civilizations could evolve independently of each other and have similar aspects of cultures hyper diffusion
Is the basis of churchwards moo he claimed that moo diffused into all ancient civilizations that he believed to be perfect ancient maya ancient
Egypt ancient greece these civilizations also gained all their technology and structures from moo churchwards suggested all similarities between ancient
societies and cultures originate from moo the mentality towards the development of ancient societies is seen throughout all of his works especially
quote the lost continent of moo and quote his first book and most popular book about
Within this book he explains in detail about how people of moo traveled to other civilizations to survive a major catastrophe
And tried to teach ancient civilizations what they knew however churchward claims that these civilizations were of lesser quality than those from moo
So although they had information from moo none were successful as superior that makes sense
The other thing that seems to plague lost continent investigators hypothesize or archaeologists. I don't know the correct word for them is
Ethnocentrism yes ethnocentrism is the belief that all other countries or peoples are lesser to one civilization or group often in lost
Civilization theories it is believed that the lost civilization is superior to all people and their descendants are currently the most perfect and superior
societies and cultures the idea is seen deeply in james churchwards writings about moo churchwards main idea of moo
Was that it was the perfect human civilization his theory was that civilization had many races?
But the race that was white was the most attractive and intelligent dominating over the other races in the lost continent of moo churchward
Writes quote the dominant race in the land of moo was a white race exceedingly handsome besides this white race
There were other races people with yellow brown or black skins vase. However did not dominate end quote churchward believed that these white
dominant individuals then spread around the world and founded all the
Civilizations that people of today view to be exceedingly intelligent ancient egypt ancient maya and ancient greece
Just avoiding the fact that when the spaniards got to the new world there were no white people there
They were short very dark-skinned individuals
We've seen this on also every single one of our lost continent
It is not unique to moo. It actually just seems to be the standard rule not an outlier. Yes, that's a
Weird thing that they all have in common actually
Well to be fair the people that actually are ignorant enough to hypothesize an ancient continent also are ignorant enough to think they're just
Better than other people. That's right
It's just it's a very easy way to explain it away
That's very and it couldn't be anybody else it had to be white people because we're just the smartest and best
But even when we looked at what was that other lost continent we did and it was was it briefly?
Moo because there was an asian
There it's lemuria and lemuria lemuria has a weird relationship with moo
It sometimes is considered moo but it depends on who you're talking to whether or not they're the same continent
But particularly because if you take lemuria just as what it is
It is proposed as a land bridge between madagascar and india because it's the only place with lemurs
It was I went and listened to it again at season one season one. That was a while ago. It had multiple
Origin stories, I believe and there is an asian culture that believed that they were the origins
The teamers it still went back to them believing that they are superior and they were the original
And it's still taught in the island's education system in indonesia and making them
Because they were the first one to originally be on lemuria and therefore had all the knowledge
So they and it was still taught so it's still the same kind of concept
I mean not white but still we're the superior race because we came from this much older civilization and therefore it's everyone
Yeah, civilizations that has this viewpoint, but yeah
It's weird that it just ends up being something that comes up and I think it might actually have something to do with the ignorance
Of the idea that you know more than others and found this lost continent. Yeah, that's super strange
Okay. Okay. So yeah, those are two of the features that he seems to have and I should say churchward was never a
Educated archaeologist. He was an engineer by trade. He had many patents and that's where all his money came from
So I almost I don't know if he maybe falls into the area of dunning kruger effect
Which is you're at a point in your knowledge where you don't actually know enough to know how much you don't know
So you actually think you're good at something?
Yeah, everybody knows somebody in their life. Oh, yeah dunning kruger effect applies. No kidding
I never knew that that was a thing
But yes now that you mention it and then that archaeology had a little bit of a write-up on it
There's a wikipedia subset called bad archaeology and there is a write-up on moo and specifically about churchward
So I just wanted to give their two cents on it
There is no evidence that the nical ever existed outside of churchward's over fertile imagination
Every reference to them links back to churchward
No one knows where or when they lived and they left absolutely no evidence of their existence
Outside of the tablets churchward claimed to have deciphered moreover
There's no evidence that the tablets existed either despite a recent claim on his great-grandson's website that they had been
Relocated in a tunnel system beneath the three and cambranatha temple and cancha puram by one thomas ritter
As soon as we look for confirmation of just about any of churchward's assertions
We fail to find any and the real and the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that churchward invented almost everything in his books
In other words, it was a fraud whose works owe more to fantasy than to scholarship
Nevertheless moo has entered the fringe literature where authors are rarely fussy about checking their sources for confirmation
Yeah, that's the weird part of it. I think this is a good point to start talking about jack churchward
He is the great-grandson of james churchward. He runs a website and chelsea rated typed us in my
Dash moo mu.com you better be damn well ready
Sorry
Do you want to guess at what the website looks like before I say that guess can I just say back to your last point?
About what the hell was it people not fat checking stuff that really reminds me of the philadelphia experiment
There's a lot of things that are it should remind us of and a lot of things that we talk about
But when it comes to like moo and atlantis and lemuria and all these lost continents when you hear about it
you think about like
Mystical and like all this like new age. Yeah new age stuff heightened
Spirituality, yeah spirituality. Thank you
You think of all that but when you actually go in and do the research behind it
it's coming from all these places of
Of superiors like i'm better than you and racism and it's like all this messed up stuff where it's so
Associated with new age things and everything that I just listed
So it's super weird that it has such a and it's it's simply that people not fact checking the stuff
In which they're using and talking about in such a new age fashion. That's all I wanted to say on that
So i'm about to go to my.mu.com
My.mu.com
My-mu.com
Yeah, um telsey. I want you to give me your estimation of what this webpage looks like
Okay, I feel like it's gonna be it's gonna look like it's from the 90s early 90s
Is it gonna have a counter of how many people have entered the website?
It's gonna have banners a lot of banners. Do you think there's gonna be advertisements? Yes many. Okay, click on that thing
Okay. Oh, yeah, this is oh, yeah, it is straight out of the 90s banners everywhere
This is every website we go to now, but no advertising
No, no banners. There's there's one banner. I just want to draw your attention to the top right of the page
Yes, that is jack churchward. Is that a nice earring that he's wearing?
I believe that is a headphone piece, but I don't know for sure. I gotta say this can't be a headshot. Can it?
No, I it's not it looks like he photoshopped it like he edited the photo down to just that
Hey look over here and he gave a stance like i'm gonna put my glasses down
Like I know what i'm talking about and it looks like he yeah, that that's about it
I have to say on that but yeah, just let me pull my glasses down and look over them for a second
While you take that picture
So he seems to have made a living now in his life. Like what he does is he does talking points on his great grandfather's work
Okay, he also does have a podcast if you're ever looking for it my dash mu
Just search it in all the podcast things it will come up probably won't he hasn't posted since 2016. So and
Honestly, half of his episodes are like seven minutes long. So like you can actually listen to them pretty quick. Yeah
Except that professor who came on that episode's an hour long
That's an interesting change and then hilarious enough one of the presentations that he was asked to give he put on there and at the end of it
One woman just wants him to give her the gist of the book
She's like come on sell me sell the book to me and she just wants to know what's in the book
She's not gonna actually buy it. It's a really awkward altercation
I might include it right here. I just want to know more about mu
I thought you were going to talk about mu and what he discovered and
And could give us a picture of it
I thought I provided a map but no I didn't I I want to know
About mu not about the book. I want to know about mu. What was it like who lived there?
How did it get started?
This kind of thing is more why?
I because I thought if you rewrote what was written that you would be able to entice us
To then want to read the book because she started telling us some of the things that he knew about mu
That's what I was
That's what I'm asking. Okay
There were 64 million people
It was a lush land
according to James he believed that it was
He believes it was the Garden of Eden that that's where people were created
I want more
It's in the book
Come on entice me to buy
There's
The colonial empires and the evidence spread throughout the world that James said that he found
Can only go with
There's a lot of material in that book it's a 350 page book
But yeah, that's what he's up to and whenever he brings a guest on they seem to really refute the fact that his great-grandpa didn't actually
Have any hidden information and that this is all just lies
But when he's just speaking on his own, he seems to believe in his great-grandfather, but he could refute that I haven't listened to everything he said
Okay. I did just want to bring that up because what is an episode of ours if not referencing back to a website
That looks like it was made in the 90s and never updated. Hold on. I have to highlight everything
As I do on websites. Oh you you need to see now
Okay, there's nothing hidden on this one. There's no sex chats for us to accidentally click on you heard it here first
Mymu.com is clean. Yeah
So that's just what I wanted to bring up on Jack's Churchward
If you're hearing anybody like present talk about Mu, it's either him or somebody who's just talking about like ancient people
Nobody's really doing any more research on it anymore
Except we will talk about that in one second because I'm going to kind of lie like right after that
Is it us? Are we doing research on it?
No
Chelsea, do you remember how we were talking about everybody likes to use lost continents to prove that they're like just the better race
Yeah, we were just talking about that before the podcast
This guy named Mustafa Kemal Ataturk did this as well
He was the ruler of Turkey during the Armenian genocide
Yeah, because the Uyghurs are also Turkish
So he's like, oh, yeah, this proves that we are direct descendants of Mu, a lost continent and therefore a superior race
Of course
He appointed Hasan Tasin as Turkish ambassador to Mexico in 1935 with the mission of researching the Mu theory and the links between Mata and the Turks
Which was inferred from the supposed link of Mayas and Turkic Uyghurs with Mu
After he sent his seventh report which referenced Churchward's books, Ataturk brought them to Turkey and had them translated into Turkish
The rest of the reports were about Mayan culture and language
Tasin found many words that were common with Turkish via pseudoscientific word comparisons
One of those words was the word tepec which means hill in Mayan and sounds very similar to the word tepec in Turkish
Which also means hill
Of course, coincidental similarities don't happen in languages and this means Turkish was the source of every language in the world
Yeah, clearly
After this exploration, Ataturk gave Tasin the surname Mayatepec
So his name before was Hasan Tasin and he said no, your name now is Hasan Mayatepec because you know so much about the Maya
But yeah, horrible human being, he's likely the one who brought about the Armenian Genocide
Which hey, we're due genocide episodes, maybe we talk about it in the future
Yeah, maybe
Because you know we gotta keep this grounded
You guys can't be too happy
So that's it, right? That's all that Mu was and ever will be
Well, there is of course this one thing
The sea off of Yonaguni is a popular diving location in the winter months in Japan because of this population of hand or head sharks
But in 1986 while looking for a good place to observe sharks, Kihachiro Aratake, a director of Yonaguni Cho Tourism Association
Noticed some singular seabed formations resembling architectural structures
Shortly thereafter, a group of scientists directed by Masaki Kimura, a member of the Yonaguni group,
of scientists directed by Masaki Kimura of the University of Ryukyus visited the formations
The formations has since become a relatively popular attraction for divers despite strong currents
And in 1997, Japanese industrialist Yasuo Motonabe sponsored an informal expedition
Including pseudo-archaeology writers John Anthony Wesson, Graham Hancock,
Geologists and French theorists Robert Schock, photographer Santa Faia,
and a few support divers and instructors and a film crew for Channel 4 and Discovery Channel
Another notable visitor was freediver Jacques Maillol, who wrote a book about this
Basically, people believe that they found a pyramid off the coast of Japan
Yes
And people believe that this is lost remnants of the continent of Mu
Some people, I'm assuming
Some people, it is not the normal view of what's going on
Yeah
Geologist Robert Schock, who was brought up earlier, believes that it is most likely natural
Schock observed the sandstone that make up the Yonaguni formation to contain numerous
well-defined parallel bedding planes along which the layers easily separate
The rocks of this group are also crisscrossed by numerous sets of parallel vertically oriented
joints in the rocks
These joints are natural parallel fractures by which the rectangular
formations seen in the area likely formed
Yonaguni lies in an earthquake-prone region
Such earthquakes tend to fracture the rocks in a regular manner
He also observed that there are similar formations in the northeast coast of Yonaguni
John Anthony West visited the formation with Schock and agreed that it was natural
formation and that Kimura had not looked carefully enough at the natural processes at work
Schock also believes that the drawings identified by Kimura are natural scratches on the rocks
and suggests that the walls are simply natural horizontal platforms
which fell into a vertical position when rocks below them eroded
and the alleged roads are simply channels in the rock
And sorry, I cut a lot of this article out
But basically the guy who was first diving there said he saw scribings on the walls
that looked like people put them there and roads on the ground
That doesn't stop pseudo-archaeologists from claiming that it's an artificial structure
Kimura first estimated that the formation must be at least 10,000 years old
dating it to a period when it would have been above water
and therefore surmised that the site may be a remnant of the mythical lost continent of Mu
In a report given to the 21st Pacific Science Congress in 2007
he revised his estimates and dated it 2,000 to 3,000 years ago
because the sea level then was close to current levels
He suggested that after construction tectonic activity caused it to be submerged below sea level
So it was at land level and then it fell into the sea
Archaeologist Richard J. Pearson believes this to be unlikely
Kimura believes he can identify a pyramid, castles, roads, monuments, and a stadium
He further stated that he believes that the structure is to be remnants of the Yamatai culture
Supporters of artificial origins such as Graham Hamcock also argue that
while many of the features seen at Yonaguni are also seen in natural sandstorm formations
throughout the world, the concentration of so many peculiar formations in such a small area is highly unlikely
They also point to the relative absence of loose blocks on the flat areas of the formation
which would be expected if they were formed solely by natural erosion and fracturing
Robert Shock, who believes the formation was formed geologically, has noted that the rocks
are swept with strong currents
So that's where I want to end off
There might be a pyramid at the bottom of the ocean near Japan
that people claim is the lost remnants of Mu
but it's likely just a natural formation
But people are still, like, even today people are saying, oh yeah
this is still remembered as a place despite the fact that like these two people
who are mainly known for creating Mu are crazy people
Yeah, as are with most lost civilizations as we have found out
and maybe in the future we will find one that is not made up by crazy people
Oh cool
And it's funny because like there are actually lost continents that are agreed to by modern geologists
Right, we've covered some, right?
Yeah, Zealand
Zealand is a real lost continent, New Zealand is the remnants of it
But that doesn't stop people from guessing about these ones
The Pacific Ocean makes a lot of sense for where you'd want to find one because it's so huge
Yeah
And dotted with islands
And in fact, a lot of people link Nandmadaal to Mu
That was the other one
It doesn't make any sense though
In my mind they're saying, oh yeah, Nandmadaal must have been above land when it was built
But that doesn't make any sense because it'd be atop of a freaking giant mountain
So it'd be even harder to build at the top of a mountain
But there is Machu Picchu
There is, but it's not that high compared to where Nandmadaal would be
Really? Okay, so that doesn't make sense
But yeah, that's the episode
That was another, you know, look at these crazy people that made talk about these continents
Yeah
Because blatantly made shit up
And more episodes than I would like end up being like, wow, this is really ethnocentric, bordering on racism
It is, and it's just like I said earlier, it's like, wow, this is, you're taking something that is not
This is, you're taking something that people think is such a spiritual thing when you start hearing about it
And you go, wow, like Atlantis and Mu, it's so new agey
And then you actually look into it and you're like, wow, it's not really new agey at all
It's just people that made up some real racist things
And in fact, that is really interesting you bring that up
Because I have been hearing in the last, probably, I don't know if it's six months or closer to a year or two years
But a lot of new agey people falling very much so into an anti-vax fascist like viewpoint of the world
And I'm wondering if like the critical thinking process on that side of it is similar
It could be, it could be
However, I've been into like new agey things and maybe it is
You just, you just want to believe without looking into it
Whereas if these people did look into these things that are associated with what is new age
Then they would quickly find out
And I mean, I never looked into it until I had to do a podcast on it
Because it didn't interest me that much
I just thought, oh, like people who believe in this must just be higher thinking than other people
Because it was a lost civilization
But if you even look in a little bit into it
If you even listen to a podcast about it
It becomes quite evident is not what you think it might be
Because you just kind of made it up in your head what it is
Well, and it's so hard to just say like you can't just prove yeah, you're lying
Like that's it
When it's like no, I found tablets that nobody else can see because I don't have them
But I translated them from a language that nobody else knows
But this one guy you can't know his name
Yeah, and it turns out that the guy who looked into it and like started the whole thing
He was reincarnated from like royalty in Mexico in the Mayans
And it's just a pretty messed up site
And you bring up a good point
And maybe it is the critical thinking that's not there
Because yeah, there was a significant portion of the population
The group of people who are in the new age
And then ended up voting for Trump in the last election
And I mean, I feel like I'm one of those people
But when you really think about it
Because I believe in like new agey kind of things
But I wouldn't say I necessarily believe in this after we've looked into it and like other things
Yeah, every time you look into your things for this podcast, man
I know I'm always left disappointed
But I don't want to be grouped in with that
So I feel like I want to protect them
But at the same time, I don't know what to think in my head
But hey, maybe we'll know in the future what to tell you about that
It seems like an issue we'll probably be able to tackle
Because after all we are turning to the fringe
I am Taylor here with Chelsea
Thank you all for listening and we will see you next week
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