1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,900 This is a little out of the ordinary for intros, but I came across this and I thought it would be kind of cool. 2 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:12,460 It's gonna be a very short intro, but I thought it'd be fun. It's a journal article I found entitled the Fermi Paradox 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,540 Revisited Technosignatures and the Contact Era by Amory Wandel 4 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:21,840 published in December 2022 in the Astrophysical Journal. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,340 And I thought it'd be interesting because we have covered the Fermi Paradox and the Drake Equation in a previous episode. 6 00:00:27,340 --> 00:00:33,500 I'm just gonna go over the abstract and if you find it enticing by all means go check out the Astrophysical Journal. 7 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:35,640 The article is right there for you to read in full. 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,700 So a new solution to the Fermi Paradox is presented. 9 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:45,700 Probes or visits from putative alien civilizations have a very low probability until a civilization reaches a certain age. 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,560 Called in this paper the Contact Era. After the onset of radio communications, if biotic planets are common, 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:58,180 putative advanced civilizations may send probes not to any planets showing biosignatures, 12 00:00:58,180 --> 00:01:02,040 but rather to planets with technosignatures such as radio broadcast. 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,080 The contact probability is defined as the chance to find a nearby civilization 14 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:14,980 located close enough so that it could have detected the earliest radio emission called the radiosphere and sent a probe that would reach the solar system at present. 15 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:21,680 It is found that the current contact probability for Earth is very low unless civilizations are extremely abundant. 16 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,220 Since the radiosphere constantly expands with time, so does the contact probability. 17 00:01:27,220 --> 00:01:34,780 So the contact era is defined as the time since the onset of radio transmissions at which the contact probability becomes of order unity. 18 00:01:34,780 --> 00:01:38,660 At that time alien probes or messages become more likely. 19 00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:45,080 Unless civilizations are highly abundant, the contact era is shown to be of the order of a few hundred to a few thousand years 20 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,080 and may be applied not only to physical probes, but also transmissions. 21 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Consequently, it is shown that civilizations are unlikely to be able to intercommunicate unless their communicative lifetime is at least a few thousand years. 22 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,080 So just to break that down a bit, this was not one of the answers that we had to the Fermi paradox. 23 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,080 But what they're saying is if you are a technologically advanced civilization, 24 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:12,080 you're going to want to focus on things that are more likely to give you a positive response when you're sending out messages. 25 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:18,080 So what they're saying is you're going to look for planets or stars that are giving out radio communications 26 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:25,080 that seem odd or seem like they're manufactured instead of just spraying every planet that has biosignatures on it 27 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,080 so that you could actually communicate with what you're trying to communicate. 28 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:36,080 And that means that what you would actually be looking for specific windows where the radio signals that you've sent out can actually reach other planets. 29 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:42,080 So until Earth's radio signatures are far enough out that they might be seen or heard by other life forms, 30 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,080 we can't really expect to hear communications back. 31 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Oh, and I feel like did we talk about this? I can't remember. It was so long ago. 32 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,080 But if we're sending something out into space, it's such a tiny pinpoint. 33 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,080 The odds of it hitting anything, I think. 34 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,080 But every year it expands. And that's the big thing. 35 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:06,080 And that's why they say for there actually to be communications, your technological window needs to be a few hundred or a few thousand or a few hundred thousand years 36 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,080 so that you can actually receive a response to. 37 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:14,080 Yeah. And space is so big, though. It's just going out in one direction, is it not? Not all directions. 38 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,080 It's going in all directions. Oh, it is. OK. Yeah. 39 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,080 Because you would be doing the radio signal. Oh, it was I wrong. Yeah. OK. 40 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,080 But yeah, because we are at the dawn of the radio age, more or less. 41 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,080 If you look at it at the grand scheme, specifically, we're talking about a few thousand years for your window. 42 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,080 We're very unlikely at this point to receive your responses back. 43 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:39,080 But as time goes on, you're more and more likely if there is other life forms out there to receive a response. 44 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. 45 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,080 And that's just a very rough breakdown of what these guys are talking about. 46 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:53,080 So go check it out if you want something a little dry, but exciting to read nonetheless, because at the end of the day, it is a scientific paper. 47 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,080 Yeah, it is. But it's an exciting thing to think about. 48 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Like, what if it gets out there and hits a planet or terrifying, happy or terrifying? 49 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Yeah, because that also runs into that other problem of the Fermi paradox is that there is a malevolent life form out there 50 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,080 that is just looking for radio communications to eat up everybody. 51 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Yeah, we must have good sources on this planet to be living. 52 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:21,080 So, yeah, I do really like that there are the two exact opposites right there. 53 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,080 They're waiting till we get that to them so that they can come eat us. 54 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,080 Exactly. We are delicious. 55 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,080 But yeah, I feel like it's a fun read. So go check it out. For now, let's get on with this episode. 56 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,080 OK. 57 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:45,080 From the unexplained to the mundane, why don't you come join us on our journey to the fringe? 58 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, now recorded in the past, which is much easier than the omnipresent we were doing. 59 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,080 We are, or at least were at the time, your podcasters, Taylor and Chelsea. 60 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,080 Here today talking about some cryptids. It's been a while since we did that. 61 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,080 All the way back to our New Year's episode, technically, more specifically, it's been a much longer than that. 62 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,080 But let's not hold back anymore. Let's get into those cryptids. 63 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Chelsea did them, so I don't know what we're talking about. 64 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,080 I'm just trying to think what was the last cryptid that we talked about? 65 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,080 Mothperson. 66 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,080 Oh, right. That was a while ago, though. 67 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,080 I think it was November. 68 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:25,080 And plus I came up with a new follow up to Mothperson, Owlman, which is going to become Owlperson when we do that episode. 69 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Owlman. Because you have not. 70 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Owlman. 71 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Because there's no sightings of owl penis on it, I understand. 72 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,080 Okay, well, it's cryptid time. I put together a random. 73 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Oh, God, Chelsea, I hope you're ready for the genital related questions that will come. 74 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,080 I always am. 75 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Oh, God. 76 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:59,080 I'll just click on the heading genital when the questions come up. 77 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,080 You've got a heading for each genital. 78 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Genital sightings. 79 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,080 Backstory. 80 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,080 The backstory of the genital. 81 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,080 Let's move off the genitals and to this episode. It's cryptid time. 82 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,080 I put together a random. 83 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,080 You can't separate those two topics, Chelsea. 84 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,080 Episode and genitals are one. 85 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,080 Damn it. 86 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:31,080 That's only anything related to do with Mothperson or anything ending in person because they're labeling it man. 87 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Of course we want to do it. 88 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Now for the third time, I've put together a random assortment of cryptids you more than likely have not heard about. 89 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,080 So let's talk about them and see what we think. 90 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:50,080 The first cryptid of choice today is the Lovelang Frog coming to you straight out of Ohio. 91 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,080 What is so cryptid about the Lovelang Frog and how is it different from an everyday regular frog? 92 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Well, this creature is said to be a humanoid creature with the face of a frog and body of a person. 93 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Essentially, it's a bipedal cryptid with the face of a frog. 94 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,080 It's been described as roughly four feet tall with green leathery skin. 95 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,080 He or she. 96 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,080 Oh, shit. 97 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,080 I didn't put a genital section in this one. 98 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,080 I was just going to say because you said the head of a frog, body of a human. 99 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,080 No, it's a frog. 100 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Can't frogs be both? 101 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,080 Well, it can be hermaphroditic. 102 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,080 It usually has to do with the environmental factors. 103 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,080 Yeah, I remember with that Alex Jones split. 104 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Yeah. 105 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,080 This is crap. 106 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Gays. 107 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Frogs. 108 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Freaking frogs. 109 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,080 It's not funny. 110 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,080 I'm going to say it real slow for you. 111 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Gays. 112 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Frogs. 113 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Yeah, and to be fair, if it is frog genitals, I wouldn't know how to gender it. 114 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,080 So I just say it's he, she. 115 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Sure. 116 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Yeah, it's an it. 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,080 That's good enough. 118 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,080 But to be fair, it wasn't gendered to begin with. 119 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,080 It's the Loveland frog. 120 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,080 So we can continue. 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Well, I gendered it by accident. 122 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,080 We sure talked about his genitals anyways. 123 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Don't worry. 124 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,080 As any cryptid episode does. 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Okay. 126 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,080 It walks upright and has webbed hand and feet. 127 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,080 And all the sightings have been specifically in Loveland, Ohio, which I didn't even know 128 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,080 was a place. 129 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,080 So we learned that on this episode at the very least. 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:21,080 And he's famous in the Ohio parts and he's it has even been made into a musical. 131 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,080 It's called Hot Damn. 132 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,080 It's the Loveland Frog. 133 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:31,080 The legend goes back to 1955 when a businessman, but I'm not sure which business he was the 134 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,080 man of. 135 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,080 It didn't say he was he was driving along. 136 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 The businessman was driving along an unnamed road late at night. 137 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,080 It's all very vague. 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,080 For business purposes. 139 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Yes. 140 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Yeah. 141 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Sometime in May. 142 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,080 It's all very great. 143 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,080 He was heading out of the Branch Hill neighborhood. 144 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,080 No idea where that is in Loveland. 145 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,080 They put it in. 146 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,080 So it must be important when he spotted three figures standing up on their hind legs. 147 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Now, I just want to point out right here something I find interesting, which is the way they 148 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,080 describe this because how would you otherwise know they weren't just standing regularly 149 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,080 on two legs? 150 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,080 That's not how we would describe just a person walking generally. 151 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,080 That's bipedal. 152 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,080 You wouldn't say, no, you wouldn't say they're standing there on their legs. 153 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:25,080 Those damn punk kids were standing there on their hind legs. 154 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,080 I couldn't believe it. 155 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,080 Yeah. 156 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,080 I found that odd could just be a part of the storytelling of a part of the legend that 157 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,080 they're trying to get to that it was abnormal or something. 158 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Maybe. 159 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,080 But I just wanted to point that out. 160 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,080 Anyhow, each was about three to four feet tall with leathery skin, frog faces, lopsided 161 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,080 chest, whatever the fuck that means. 162 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,080 I have no idea. 163 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Wide mouse without lips and wrinkles instead of hair. 164 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:57,080 In most versions of the story, the creatures are spotted under or over a poorly lit bridge 165 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:03,080 and one was holding a wand sometimes described as a bar device that shed sparks. 166 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,080 That sounds like a much more scientific logical way to say wand. 167 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,080 Yeah, that really is. 168 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Yeah. 169 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 It's not sounds crazy. 170 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,080 I've already spotted a frog on its hind legs. 171 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:23,080 At that point, why don't you just say Roman candle there? 172 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,080 Or does he not know the term Roman candle at this time? 173 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Because that seems like the better way to explain it. 174 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,080 A bar like object shooting sparks. 175 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Yeah, they really broke it down to the most logical thing possible. 176 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,080 Well, he had to use what his businessman brain could like just comprehend with the business. 177 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Exactly. 178 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,080 I got to wonder what business he's in. 179 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Humans do not generally stand on hind legs. 180 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,080 That is for sure. 181 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,080 These are our hind legs that we walk on. 182 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,080 Yeah, so it definitely wasn't a Roman candle. 183 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,080 That is the business that he was in for sure. 184 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Otherwise, he would have really pushed that and use it to his advantage. 185 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,080 No, you know what? 186 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:10,080 But he could be in some sort of competitor firework where it's kind of like taboo to bring up Roman candles. 187 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,080 It's true. 188 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,080 That is so true. 189 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,080 That actually makes a lot more sense. 190 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,080 You can't even say Roman candle. 191 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,080 It's a lot of sense. 192 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,080 It's good advertising. 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,080 It's all coming together now. 194 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,080 Yeah. 195 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,080 Okay, so next part of the story. 196 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:30,080 Want to take a stab at the aroma that filled the air when he saw these creatures? 197 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,080 I'm going to go with sulfur. 198 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,080 You know what? 199 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,080 That's what I was thinking too. 200 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,080 But it was get this alfalfa and almonds. 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 It's true. 202 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,080 It's true. 203 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,080 I for sure was guessing sulfur as well. 204 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,080 God, this businessman confuses the hell out of me. 205 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,080 I know. 206 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:59,080 I could not tell you those smells like no, I have no idea what the fuck alfalfa is other than a little rascal. 207 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,080 He was talking about the kid. 208 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,080 He's got a lot of hair gel. 209 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,080 Smell the hair gel, you know, like alfalfa. 210 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Yeah. 211 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Okay. 212 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Forget this. 213 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Forget all of this happened. 214 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,080 We're moving on to another exciting. 215 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,080 Well, you can still remember it. 216 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,080 Wait, is that where it ends? 217 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,080 It was just sparking bars and smell the alfalfa and that was it. 218 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,080 Alfalfa and almonds. 219 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,080 That was it. 220 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Anyhow, that's the end of my. 221 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,080 Yeah, he just drove home and like lived his life. 222 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,080 Went on with his business ways. 223 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,080 Exactly. 224 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Probably making fireworks. 225 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,080 See, now that he knows so much about alfalfa, I'm kind of feeling different. 226 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,080 I know. 227 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,080 It's weird. 228 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,080 It's that that's the weirdest part of this story. 229 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,080 I think. 230 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,080 And to me, if you're identifying that smell, like that means that you wouldn't be expecting 231 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,080 to smell alfalfa, but at the same time, know the smell and are smelling it. 232 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,080 So I kind of feel like with alfalfa and all. 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,080 Yeah, it's not like there's a field right there where they were growing alfalfa where 234 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,080 you can like easily identify. 235 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,080 Oh, that's the smell. 236 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,080 Even though I couldn't do that because I don't know what else looks like. 237 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,080 This is so unexpected. 238 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,080 I'm like, oh, I'm going to do this. 239 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,080 It's so unexpected. 240 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,080 I'm smelling alfalfa and almonds. 241 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,080 I don't even know if I could tell you that I'm smelling almonds in a moment. 242 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,080 See, that one is a little easier just because I know what marzipan smells like, and I don't 243 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,080 know if that would necessarily be the smell I would identify as almond, but I could see 244 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,080 that as at least a smell. 245 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,080 Marzipan isn't exactly almond. 246 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,080 It's pretty much all almond. 247 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,080 Yeah, it is, but I wouldn't. 248 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,080 I've also put almond extract. 249 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,080 If I smell marzipan, I'd be like, this smells like marzipan, not almonds. 250 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Anyhow, we can move on from this because there's another lighting. 251 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,080 Can we? 252 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,080 It changed our lives. 253 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,080 Yeah, it changed our lives. 254 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,080 I feel like this is going to stay with us. 255 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:01,080 I'll be forever in search of the smell of alfalfa, not the little rascal. 256 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:07,080 I also figured out where I really want our logo to be now is a four-foot frog-like creature 257 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,080 standing on its hind legs with a spark-shedding bar in it. 258 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,080 That would be really nice. 259 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,080 And I don't know where I've seen before, like a frog. 260 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Is it like Futurama or something? 261 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,080 The Hypnotode? 262 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,080 No, that's the Hypnotode on Futurama. 263 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Oh, it is. 264 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Yeah, that is what I'm picturing because they're a race, aren't they? 265 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Yes. 266 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,080 And a keep. 267 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,080 Okay, that's what I'm picturing. 268 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,080 He must have had like a, what are they called? 269 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Cipher? 270 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Like the thing you rule with. 271 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,080 Oh, a scepter. 272 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,080 Scepter. 273 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,080 I was close. 274 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Okay, so onto the next sighting. 275 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,080 And that you can forget, we'll never forget the alfalfa. 276 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,080 We can forget the businessman. 277 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,080 In 1972, there was a sighting by a police officer. 278 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,080 That's right. 279 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:55,080 March 3rd, 1972, of course, Ray Schaucke, a Loveland police officer, was driving on Riverside 280 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,080 Drive near the Toats Boot Factory and the Little Miami River. 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,080 It actually goes by Little Miami River, but little sounds so much better and it means 282 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,080 the same thing. 283 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,080 And yeah, it's Lil, you got to shorten the word. 284 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Yeah, Lil, I have no time to say little. 285 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,080 The word little should not be bigger than big. 286 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,080 It shouldn't. 287 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,080 You're right. 288 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,080 It seems wrong now. 289 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,080 It should at most be the same size because then you're not showing any deference, but 290 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,080 yeah. 291 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Point of the matter is an unidentified animal scurries across the road in front of the vehicle 292 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Ray was driving. 293 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Said animal was illuminated in the vehicle's headlights and Ray described it as about four 294 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,080 feet long and about 50 to 75 pounds, which I find to be a weird detail. 295 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Like I just saw something that's 50 to 75 pounds. 296 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,080 I wouldn't say that unless I tried to lift it. 297 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,080 And even then it's sketchy if I'm telling you how much something's weighed based on 298 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,080 me lifting it. 299 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,080 Would you just estimate something's weight like that? 300 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,080 I could not mostly because it would be in frog form and I just couldn't like, I can't 301 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 estimate how much frogs weigh. 302 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,080 Anything, even a human. 303 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,080 I don't think I can tell you how much it weighed accurately. 304 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,080 I'm not one of those freaks at the carnival. 305 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,080 I think cops kind of have to do that because they're constantly giving like if a suspect 306 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,080 is on the loose, they have to say like rough estimates of like height and weight. 307 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Do you think they get tested on that? 308 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Like the police academy and then they're practicing for the test. 309 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,080 They're just like walking around to their like family and loved ones being like 125, 310 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,080 165. 311 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,080 You look like you put on two and a half pounds. 312 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Am I correct? 313 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,080 I'm going to update your record. 314 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Just like asking how much they weigh and if they got it right when they guessed. 315 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Anyhow, I find that a weird detail that he estimated that. 316 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,080 But you bring up a good point. 317 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Maybe he has to do that. 318 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,080 With a frog or something scurrying in front of your car? 319 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Like I just don't see something scurried in front of my car. 320 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,080 It's about four feet long and 75 pounds. 321 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Yeah, exactly. 322 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,080 It's just odd. 323 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,080 It is odd. 324 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,080 But maybe as a police officer, just as much as you have to be constantly doing math, you 325 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,080 also have to be guessing how much things weigh. 326 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,080 Maybe. 327 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Maybe. 328 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Maybe. 329 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,080 So he first spotted the animal crouched like a frog, obviously, because it's a frog cryptid. 330 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,080 Then it stood erect to climb over a guardrail towards the river. 331 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,080 Notice how we didn't see it stood on its hind legs. 332 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,080 We're just glad we're past the genitals part. 333 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,080 Yeah, that was our own doing, by the way. 334 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,080 It wasn't a part of the story. 335 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Two weeks later, a second Love Land police officer, Mark Matthews, reported seeing an 336 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:40,080 unidentified animal crouched along the road in the same area of ray sighting. 337 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,080 I wonder if this is anywhere near a nuclear power plant, by the way, to see frogs just 338 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,080 get up on their hind legs and walk around like a human. 339 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,080 I don't know if that's a thing though in real life. 340 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,080 I think it's just the Simpsons episode. 341 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,080 No, and this is somewhat reminding me of the Warner Brothers frog, where that it only like 342 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,080 gets up and moves around and then Warner Brothers sings and dances when only one person is there. 343 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Oh yeah. 344 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,080 That was a good, I was just thinking about that episode the other day, actually. 345 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,080 That's a good one. 346 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,080 Yeah, that's completely right. 347 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,080 It could be based on this. 348 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,080 You never know. 349 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,080 So anyhow, this officer takes a completely different method to seeing this creature. 350 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,080 And he actually hit it. 351 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,080 I shot it. 352 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:28,080 That was a complete spelling error in my notes. 353 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,080 He shot it. 354 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,080 He didn't hit it. 355 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,080 He pulled out his gun and he shot it and recovered the body and put it in the trunk of his vehicle 356 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,080 to show Ray. 357 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,080 In an interview, Matthews recounts, I know no one would believe me, so I shot it. 358 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,080 He said. 359 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Man, I don't know if I want to go to Love Land or never go to Love Land. 360 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 These people seem different. 361 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,080 They're estimating the weight of things they see. 362 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,080 They shoot things that if they think no one would believe them. 363 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,080 And there's frogs with wands. 364 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Yeah. 365 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Thank God it wasn't some unicycler on the side of the road. 366 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,080 No one's going to believe me. 367 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Cut to him throwing the unicycle into the trunk of the car. 368 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,080 He said the thing was half dead anyway when I shot it. 369 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,080 According to Mark, it was a large iguana about three to three and a half feet long, and he 370 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,080 didn't immediately recognize it as an iguana because it was missing its tail. 371 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:31,080 Now, the other thing in his story that I found strange is that the iguana was squatting on 372 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,080 the side of the road. 373 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Did it not like stand on its hind legs? 374 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,080 No, it doesn't stand on its hind legs. 375 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,080 We kind of get to that later in the story, but I don't like I I'm familiar with what an 376 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,080 iguana is and I don't think they just squat there. 377 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,080 They just like be. 378 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Huh. 379 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,080 They don't squat, right? 380 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,080 I wouldn't generally say an iguana would squat. 381 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,080 I'm just looking at a description of an iguana from National Geographic. 382 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,080 So they can be six point five feet long with their tail because their tails are huge. 383 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Yeah. 384 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,080 They're eleven pounds at six and a half feet. 385 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,080 So that's sounding very different. 386 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:11,080 He didn't know, but I mean, that other guy would have to be really off on his estimate. 387 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,080 Like really. 388 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:18,080 And I mean, if what we made up is true about them having to constantly be estimating people's 389 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,080 weight, that wouldn't leave room for error. 390 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,080 So not with nothing. 391 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,080 Yeah. 392 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080 That's scientific proof that he's wrong. 393 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:32,080 So it was speculated that the iguana was either someone's escaped pet or a pet that wasn't 394 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,080 wanted any longer and was released into the wild. 395 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,080 I'm going to say it probably wasn't someone's escaped pet because someone whose escaped 396 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,080 pet was shot by the cops would probably be pissed. 397 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,080 And you probably would have heard that it was like, um, that was my iguana. 398 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,080 Just on the darker side, the police actually kill a lot of pets per year. 399 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,080 It goes widely unreported. 400 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,080 Really? 401 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,080 Un and underreported. 402 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Yeah. 403 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 I don't like that at all. 404 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,080 So it could have been is what we just found out there. 405 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,080 So I'm going to continue because that was a depressing piece of information. 406 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,080 And this is a fun episode, right? 407 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Yeah. 408 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,080 It was probably the most depressing piece of information ever said on this podcast. 409 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,080 That's not true. 410 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,080 No, it's not. 411 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,080 It's not true at all. 412 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:20,080 So anyway, according to Mark, Ray confirmed that the creature was in fact the animal he 413 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,080 had seen only a few weeks earlier. 414 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:29,080 So this is where we can say, didn't he see it take a step over the guard rail as iguanas 415 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,080 do? 416 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,080 They're definitely tall enough to just step over guard rails. 417 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:40,080 If I did see an iguana step over a guard rail, I got to say, I would probably be having nightmares 418 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,080 about that iguana doing that because it's not natural. 419 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Or maybe it is. 420 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,080 I don't know. 421 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,080 I've never seen it happen though. 422 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,080 So Matthew's recounted the incident to an author of a book about urban legends, but 423 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,080 says the author omitted the part that confirmed that the creature was an iguana rather than 424 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,080 frogman. 425 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,080 Hence, starting all the commotion about frogman. 426 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,080 This directly contradicts another article I read that says no one gave interviews and 427 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,080 it was just local word of mouth in which the story got around and leaked into the media. 428 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Matthew's also recounted the frogman story in 2016 again on WCPO Channel 9. 429 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,080 In their interview, Matthew's recounts, quote, 430 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Naturally, I didn't believe him in regards to Ray, but I could somehow tell from his demeanor 431 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,080 that he did see something Matthew said, unquote. 432 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Matthew's eventually left the Love Land Police Department and went on to serve with the police 433 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,080 in Milford and later Glendale. 434 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:40,080 He has since moved to Florida where he said people still sometimes seek him out for his 435 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,080 experience with frogman because of the story's strange allure, though he no longer grants 436 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,080 interviews. 437 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,080 So that's the official story. 438 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,080 I did hear in a few places, I was listening to some podcasts about this, I didn't actually 439 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,080 see it written down or anything, that there was actually a lot more time between the two 440 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:03,080 encounters with Ray, the first one, actually seeing the Love Land frog and the second guy 441 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,080 with the iguana. 442 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,080 And what they said was that Ray just kind of wanted to put an end to. 443 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:14,080 Yeah, I was actually just going to ask, is that just like, it doesn't guarantee, but 444 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,080 it could be an easy out from belittling and questions from people about what was actually 445 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,080 seen. 446 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:27,080 I didn't come across that in anything I read, but it was brought up in more than one podcast 447 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:33,080 that I listened about this, that it happened a while apart and that he just wanted to put 448 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,080 an end to the ridicule that he was getting for witnessing something like this because 449 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,080 he did stick with his story, obviously, but then when this came, it was kind of something 450 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,080 to say, yeah, that's what I saw. 451 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,080 It just doesn't fit exactly what his original encounter was. 452 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,080 There's no way it could have a iguana with no tail and iguanas live without tails. 453 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,080 Yeah, they can in fact shed their tail to like escape. 454 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Oh, that's gross. 455 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,080 Yeah, as a detail, I didn't that that's going to give me nightmares, too. 456 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Apparently iguanas in multiple situations would give me nightmares. 457 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,080 They're kind of creepy. 458 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,080 There's a reason we live so far north. 459 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080 It's true. 460 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,080 It's specifically because of iguanas and moth persons. 461 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080 They haven't been sated above the Great Lakes. 462 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Or west, or west of the Great Lakes. 463 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,080 It's true. 464 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Yeah, so that's the Love Lamb Frog and we're moving on. 465 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Unless you have something to say about the Love Lamb Frog. 466 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,080 I don't think so. 467 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,080 You wouldn't think of a frog as a cryptid, slash human, something that has human-like 468 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,080 qualities because it's an amphibian, but that was a nice one. 469 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:45,080 Yeah, I've actually, I thought there were more sightings of it, but it is unique that 470 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080 there are a couple, including by businessman. 471 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Yes, businessman. 472 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,080 From Ohio. 473 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,080 God, I'm so curious about his business. 474 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,080 I know. 475 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,080 That's the most fucked up part of that, Dory, right there. 476 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,080 What was he doing? 477 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080 What was his business? 478 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,080 He seemed so busy that he didn't stop. 479 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:15,080 But he did somehow, somehow, see, we see he didn't stop, but he did smell the alfalfa 480 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,080 and the almond. 481 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,080 Yeah, but that could have been the snack that he was just having in between business meetings 482 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,080 he forgot about because he was so busy. 483 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,080 That's true. 484 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,080 That's true. 485 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,080 I got to seek out some alfalfa in the near future just to know. 486 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,080 See if it's a distinct smell. 487 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,080 I'm just going to carry around almonds as well. 488 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,080 So if I do come across it, I can just combine the smells and know exactly what the Love Lime 489 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Frog supposedly smells like. 490 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,080 So, of course, we're talking about multiple cryptids, so I was like, let's take a look 491 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,080 around and see what else we have for weird cryptid encounters. 492 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,080 And did I find one? 493 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Of course I'm going to find one. 494 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,080 So this one is the Hopskinville Goblin encounter. 495 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,080 Have we heard of it? 496 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,080 Ooh, I've heard of a goblin. 497 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,080 I can't remember if it's this one, but I believe it would be. 498 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,080 I don't know that there's many goblins out there. 499 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,080 So this encounter took place in Kentucky, of all places, so you know it's going to be 500 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,080 good. 501 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Even just the episode on Kentucky cryptids would probably make for a good one. 502 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Oh, this is between the communities of Kelly and Hopkinsville. 503 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,080 It must have been closer to Hopkinsville because that's the one you usually hear associated 504 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,080 with the encounter. 505 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,080 But it was, in fact, between the two. 506 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,080 I wonder if there's a fight over the name, like if they've each tried to push the... 507 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,080 Well, it could be, like in Kelly, they call it the Kelly Goblin encounter. 508 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,080 But generally it's called the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin encounter. 509 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080 But that's what you hear most commonly. 510 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,080 That's why I labeled it that. 511 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,080 So the story goes like this. 512 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:48,080 The evening of August 21st, 1955, so that's a long time ago, five adults and seven children, 513 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,080 which are two families, arrived into the Hopskinsville police station visibly shaking, claiming that 514 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,080 small alien creatures from a spaceship were attacking their farmhouse and that they had 515 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080 been holding them off with gunfire for nearly four hours. 516 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,080 That sounds exhausting. 517 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,080 And by the way, the guns had no effect on these creatures that were attacking them in 518 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,080 the farmhouse. 519 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Two of the adults, Elmer Sutton and Billy Ray Taylor, claim that Billy Ray, whatever 520 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,080 happened to that name, plummeted in popularity, claimed that they had been shooting at 12 521 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:28,080 to 15 short, dark figures who never entered the house, repeatedly popped up at the doorway 522 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,080 and peered into the windows. 523 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,080 There were dozens of eyewitnesses to these incidents, which included two families present 524 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,080 at the farmhouse and others in the area, some of whom had no connection to the families 525 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080 at the farmhouse and even one in another state. 526 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,080 What are they doing there then? 527 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,080 Yeah, perhaps most significantly, the witnesses also included several local policemen and 528 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,080 a state trooper who saw and heard strange phenomena such as unexplained lights in the 529 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,080 night sky and noises that very same night. 530 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,080 Not when they went to investigate, but... 531 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,080 See, you say there's police officers that have seen them, but I have not heard a heightened 532 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,080 weight estimate yet. 533 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080 So I don't believe you. 534 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080 No, there's not one, so it's probably a hoax. 535 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Yeah. 536 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:17,080 Seven people present at the farmhouse claim that they were terrorized by an unknown number 537 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,080 of creatures, even though I literally just said, how many did I just say? 538 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Nobody can know. 539 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,080 That's the weird thing. 540 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080 I was sure that I just said how many it was, but... 541 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080 And moving on, because I can't... 542 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,080 I believe you said multiple. 543 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,080 Let's just say you said multiple. 544 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080 I thought I said 14 or something like that. 545 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,080 Who knows? 546 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080 I thought it was like 14 people were present. 547 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Yeah, I don't know. 548 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Okay, I'm not even going to go back and read because I don't want to. 549 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,080 Okay, so the creatures are similar to gremlins, which have since often been referred to as 550 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080 the Hopkinsville Goblins in popular culture. 551 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,080 Even on our podcast, that's what we refer to them as. 552 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,080 The residents of the farmhouse described them as around three feet tall with upright pointed 553 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080 ears and thin limbs. 554 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,080 The beings legs were said to be almost non-functional or devolved, even in a state of atrophy. 555 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,080 Wow. 556 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:11,080 Long arms and claw-like hands or talons, the creatures were either silvery in colour or 557 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,080 wearing something metallic. 558 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,080 Their movements on occasion seemed to defy gravity with them floating above the ground 559 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,080 and appearing in high up places, and they walked with a swaying motion as though wading 560 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,080 through water. 561 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Concerned about a possible gun battle between local citizens or city police, five state 562 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:35,080 troopers, three deputy sheriffs, and four military police from the nearby US Army Fort 563 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080 Campbell drove to the Sutton farmhouse. 564 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,080 They really thought they had an epic gun battle going on here. 565 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Yeah, if they're shooting as much as I'm guessing. 566 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,080 And sorry, I don't know how often they're shooting. 567 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,080 I'm just assuming it's like nonstop shots out the door. 568 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080 That's what the picture conjures up, doesn't it? 569 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,080 That's what we're all picturing, I'm sure. 570 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Yeah, and sorry, as a Canadian, I'm just picturing a very stereotypical gun response from an 571 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,080 American family, particularly in the Bible Belt. 572 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080 It's true, because this is where it's happening. 573 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,080 And that's in all likeliness, the reality of the situation. 574 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,080 They're even thinking it. 575 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080 They're bringing in people from the US Armed Forces. 576 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,080 So I'm just wondering, do they get into like the start of this altercation and how it devolved 577 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,080 to gun violence, or did it just start with gun violence? 578 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080 Like, did they knock at the door? 579 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,080 Did they just see it and say... 580 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,080 We do not get into it. 581 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,080 I think they just saw it and were afraid that... 582 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,080 I don't know, they're just afraid. 583 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,080 It doesn't say, but that's what I'm assuming, is they were just trying to protect themselves. 584 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,080 It doesn't say that a friend had just seen them and they wanted a body to prove to a friend? 585 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:48,080 No, but we did run into this on the other episode where he just saw something that he couldn't 586 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,080 explain. 587 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Yeah, nobody will believe me. 588 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,080 So that could have been what they were doing in this situation as well. 589 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,080 So they went to this farmhouse. 590 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,080 It seems like it's in a rural area between the town of Kelly and... 591 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Neither of which towns I've ever heard of, so they can't be changed. 592 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,080 No, neither. 593 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,080 I haven't heard of Love Land either, so we're really covering some geography on this episode. 594 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:19,080 The police and other military, whoever they brought with them, their search yielded nothing 595 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,080 apart from evidence of gunfire and holes in the window and door screens made by firearms. 596 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,080 I mean, at that point, you got to believe there is something there, at least for them 597 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080 to have been shooting and damaging their property. 598 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,080 Or they really need an excuse for shooting someone. 599 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,080 Yeah, or not, given what we just admitted that we were picturing in our heads. 600 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Okay, so sorry, I just wanted to give a little bit of background. 601 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,080 Hopkinsville has a population now of 31,180. 602 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:55,080 And the picture of the town that they put for the Wikipedia page is the Presbyterian 603 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,080 Church. 604 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,080 So I don't think it has many monuments or things to do, so it seems rural. 605 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080 I was expecting you to say actually that it's the Goblin. 606 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,080 So they do have more going for it than this. 607 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,080 Residents of the farmhouse included Lenny Lankford... 608 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Why do we have to list all the names? 609 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Lenny Lankford, her children Lonnie Charlton and Mary, two sons from a previous marriage, 610 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:29,080 Elmer Sutton, John Charlie Sutton, and their respective wives Vera and Aileen. 611 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Oh God, this sounds... 612 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Aileen's brother, Opie Baker and Billy Ray Taylor and his wife June. 613 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:44,080 Both the Taylors and Vera Sutton were reportedly carnival workers who were visiting the farmhouse. 614 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Oh gosh. 615 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,080 The next day, neighbors told two officers that the families had packed up and left after 616 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,080 claiming the creatures had returned about 3.30 in the morning. 617 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,080 So that's the incident. 618 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,080 And I just went through the whole family that was there. 619 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,080 I'm not sure why that's an important detail of the story, but it is. 620 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,080 I was waiting for a Cletus to show up in that family. 621 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080 There almost was. 622 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080 Yeah. 623 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:16,080 The sighting supposedly inspired E.T. critters and a Pokemon called Ruby and Sapphire is 624 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080 based on this as well. 625 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,080 Officially, it is looked at as a complete hoax. 626 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,080 However, there's not a whole lot other than the above information on the incident. 627 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080 So to me, it's a mystery. 628 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080 That's all I could find. 629 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080 Nobody saw them. 630 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,080 And the police and military that showed up, they didn't actually see anything, did they? 631 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080 No, they just saw destruction. 632 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,080 But apparently in one part of the story, there were sightings of strange lights in the sky 633 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,080 in the same night. 634 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Okay. 635 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Yeah. 636 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,080 They don't actually seem violent or like they were trying to attack. 637 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,080 Although at the same time, a gun fight and a gunfight did break out. 638 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,080 So I mean, we don't know the start of the. 639 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,080 Yeah, it doesn't say the creatures had guns. 640 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,080 And as far as we can tell, nobody was killed in that family or wounded or hurt. 641 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,080 No, nobody was at all. 642 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,080 Everybody escaped unscathed. 643 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,080 Perfect health. 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,080 I don't know about the Kearneys, but. 645 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:19,080 Okay, so I have one last cryptid story and I'm going to keep the strangest going. 646 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,080 The next one, I'm very proud of this one. 647 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,080 We're really getting around a really rotund cryptid feature today. 648 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,080 It's a well-rounded and cultured episode is what you're saying. 649 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,080 Very incredibly. 650 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,080 If you end up in a black pie affair in the next little while, like you have your talking points. 651 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,080 You have your fodder, yes. 652 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:47,080 In between munches of caviar and sips of martinis or whatever it is that fancy people drink these days. 653 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,080 This one's definitely going to help you with the. 654 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,080 What do they call it when you're like bumping elbows? 655 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,080 What do they call that? 656 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,080 The small talk? 657 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,080 The social parlay? 658 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,080 Yeah, that sounds better than whatever I'm trying to say. 659 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:11,080 Okay, vegetable man. 660 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,080 I get why you needed the fancy word. 661 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,080 I wasn't coming with it, but you really. 662 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,080 You just wait until the vegetable board. 663 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080 There's a fancy word for it. 664 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,080 Crudite. 665 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,080 When the crudite comes out, you can say, by the way, have you heard of vegetable man? 666 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,080 If you're struggling on this night, just stand by the vegetables and any. 667 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,080 Crudite. 668 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,080 Comes up. 669 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:43,080 You ever hear a vegetable man as someone's taken a bite of a carrot? 670 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:51,080 Guaranteed no one will talk to you ever again. 671 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,080 So it's a true story. 672 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:59,080 It happened to a friend of a friend of mine during the waning hours of a day in July in 673 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:06,080 1968, a bow hunter by the name of Jennings Frederick was out hunting outside Fairmont, 674 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080 West Virginia as he moved through the woods. 675 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:14,080 I had to click on vegetable man and I was like, holy shit, this story is crazy. 676 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,080 Chelsea, quick clarification. 677 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080 Was he hunting with a bow or for a bow? 678 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,080 Like a bow you put in your hair? 679 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,080 Well, I don't know. 680 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,080 You said it was a bow hunter. 681 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,080 So I'm just curious. 682 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,080 Hunting with a bow or for a bow? 683 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,080 I think with. 684 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,080 Unless he lost his bow. 685 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080 And he was hunting for it. 686 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,080 And he does it a lot so much that he's considered a bow hunter. 687 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080 He loses it all the time. 688 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,080 He actually just asks his friends to hide it in the woods. 689 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Because Jennings is a dumbass. 690 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,080 I mean, I don't know if this story proves otherwise. 691 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Sorry. 692 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,080 It's a true story. 693 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,080 This happened to a friend of a friend of mine. 694 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,080 I'm sorry. 695 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,080 It actually happened. 696 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,080 As Jennings moved through the woods in search of game. 697 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,080 Okay. 698 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,080 He's searching for animals. 699 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,080 Frederick heard an odd noise. 700 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,080 It sounded like a record player running faster than it should. 701 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080 A sort of high pitch jabbering. 702 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,080 When he tracked down the source of the sound, he came face to face with a creature. 703 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080 I need to say something. 704 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080 I mean, a record player shouldn't run fast at all. 705 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,080 It shouldn't run at all. 706 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080 Yeah, you can't. 707 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080 It should run. 708 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,080 No, it should play. 709 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,080 It should not run. 710 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080 Okay. 711 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,080 It just conjured up it was moving faster than it should, which is at all. 712 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,080 Jennings is quoted as saying, 713 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Suddenly there is a being with semi-human facial features, long ears and yellow slanted eyes. 714 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,080 Its arms are no bigger than a quarter. 715 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:53,080 Its bodies resembled the stock of a plant in shape and color, for it was slender and green. 716 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,080 None of that fucking made sense to me in my head. 717 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,080 Did you get that? 718 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,080 I really tried in my head. 719 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,080 I did not. 720 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080 Neither did I. 721 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080 And it's laid out right here in front of me. 722 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080 Its arms were no bigger around than a quarter. 723 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080 That's very small. 724 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,080 Its body resembled the stock of a plant. 725 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,080 No, but around. 726 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,080 So how long were they? 727 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080 So they're normal sized arms, quarter? 728 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080 It doesn't say how long. 729 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,080 They must be regular. 730 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,080 But not, they're skinny. 731 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,080 Yeah, I'm picturing like stick-made arms. 732 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,080 Okay. 733 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Yeah. 734 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,080 Its body resembled the stock of a plant in shape and color. 735 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,080 What kind of plant? 736 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,080 Like is this a tree trunk? 737 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080 A flower? 738 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080 Yeah. 739 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080 Oh, it was slender and green. 740 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Pepper plant. 741 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,080 Yeah. 742 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,080 Yeah, so pepper plant. 743 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080 Okay. 744 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,080 Okay, we can go with pepper plant. 745 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Jennings would go on to say that the being looked weakened and sickly. 746 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080 The jabbering increased. 747 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080 Suddenly he could make out the words. 748 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080 Hints at telepathic communication as it says in brackets. 749 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080 In quotes, you need not fear me. 750 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,080 I wish to communicate. 751 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,080 I come as a friend. 752 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080 We know of you all. 753 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,080 I come in peace. 754 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,080 I wish medical assistance. 755 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,080 I need your help. 756 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Okay. 757 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:11,080 With that, the creature lunged at him and wrapped Frederick up in his surprising strong 758 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,080 arms. 759 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Is this turning into a romance? 760 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,080 Frederick was unable to break away from the embrace as the creature pierced his skin with 761 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,080 the thorns on his fingers that were close to seven inches long. 762 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,080 These prickly needles or thorns. 763 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080 Okay, now I understand vegetable man. 764 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,080 Okay. 765 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,080 He tapered down into section cup shapes where the first knuckle would have been on a human 766 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,080 finger. 767 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:40,080 While it drained blood from him, Frederick found himself enthralled by the flashing colors 768 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,080 of the creature's eyes. 769 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:48,080 Then almost as quickly as it had pounced, the vegetable man raced away up a hill. 770 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Before he could even react to this eccentric entity's plea for help, it seems weird that 771 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,080 he would say, please help and then attack him. 772 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,080 It goes against all. 773 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,080 Maybe it thought it had consent for help and it just needed blood and it was a vampire. 774 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,080 That's true. 775 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,080 That's true. 776 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,080 You bring up a good point. 777 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:12,080 As soon as the vegetable man and its hypnotic gaze had vanished, Frederick felt the throbbing 778 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,080 pain rush back into his now poke marked hand. 779 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080 Interesting detail. 780 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,080 It went into his... 781 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,080 Wait, sorry. 782 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,080 When you were describing him getting stabbed, was he talking about his hand or the vegetable 783 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,080 man's hand? 784 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,080 His. 785 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,080 Okay. 786 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,080 It took his blood. 787 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,080 So when it disappeared over the hill, it had... 788 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080 I missed this part. 789 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,080 It had gravity defying steps that had carried it no less than 25 feet. 790 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,080 Okay. 791 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080 So it ran away weird, I guess, and fast. 792 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,080 As the pain returned, he also felt a swell of panic. 793 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,080 As he raced away from the scene of his encounter, he heard a deep humming sound, which Frederick 794 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:58,080 later surmised may have been the propulsion system of the UFO taking the ostensibly alien 795 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,080 entity home. 796 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,080 I don't think he would use that word right. 797 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,080 Frightened by the ridicule that would almost inevitably... 798 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,080 Okay. 799 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,080 I just have to say this here. 800 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,080 Humming of a UFO. 801 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,080 I say this every time I hear a Tesla drive by. 802 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080 Teslas make the sound that I imagine that UFOs would make. 803 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,080 I don't know why. 804 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,080 I think that's intentional. 805 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080 I think it's to make it seem like a science fiction technology. 806 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,080 Yeah. 807 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,080 I don't know why, but every time I hear a Tesla, I'm like, that's exactly what I imagine 808 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080 a UFO to sound like. 809 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:33,080 So then it could either, in this story, it could be there be a UFO or Tesla driving by. 810 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,080 Yeah. 811 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,080 But this seems like it was well pre-Tesla. 812 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,080 Oh, it probably was pre-Tesla. 813 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,080 Because it's 68. 814 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,080 It was... 815 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,080 Yeah. 816 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,080 68. 817 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,080 Was it? 818 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,080 It was 68. 819 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,080 You have such a good memory. 820 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,080 Okay. 821 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,080 So he was frightened by the ridicule that would almost inevitably accompany his account 822 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,080 of this run-in with the vampiric varmint vegetable. 823 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,080 They specifically went with alliteration on that one. 824 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,080 Yeah. 825 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080 Yeah. 826 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,080 It's quite odd, some of the words that are used in this. 827 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,080 And I'm quoting directly. 828 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,080 These are not some of my words. 829 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,080 Some of them are. 830 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,080 I won't tell you which ones. 831 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080 That's true integrity right there. 832 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,080 Just in case I use some of my words wrong. 833 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,080 And you don't like those ones. 834 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,080 Exactly. 835 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,080 Frederick resolved to keep the story to himself and told his family that the wounds on his 836 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,080 hand had been caused by a briar patch. 837 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,080 Some years later, however, he found that he could no longer live with the secret and revealed 838 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,080 his strange story. 839 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,080 Okay, get this. 840 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080 Get how this story ends. 841 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:39,080 And revealed his strange story to an author, paranormal investigator, and occasional hoaxer 842 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,080 by the name of Gray Barker. 843 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,080 What a twist. 844 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,080 I feel like we need to do an episode on Gray Barker. 845 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,080 He seems like quite the character based on that one sentence. 846 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080 I know. 847 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,080 It is so important to the story that we said occasional hoaxer. 848 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,080 To date, the 1968 encounter is the only signing of the vegetable man. 849 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,080 Okay, what a riled ride that episode was. 850 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,080 Yeah, geez. 851 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080 I know. 852 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,080 I did such a good job on this one. 853 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:20,080 I, if you have to run into one, I think it's got to be the Loveland frog. 854 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,080 I would choose, yeah, I think I would choose the Loveland frog too. 855 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,080 There's something just like whimsical about him and his wand. 856 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080 Well, and there's no like loving embracement happened there. 857 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,080 Yeah. 858 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,080 His heart was farting. 859 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,080 Yes. 860 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,080 Those are my stories. 861 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,080 I would say like I have so many questions, but I know there's no answers. 862 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080 There's none. 863 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,080 And in most of these cases, well, two of them for sure. 864 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,080 Loveland frog, there was more than one incident and encounter. 865 00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:02,080 But for the other two, they are, they are, they are one off solo one off. 866 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,080 Never to happen again. 867 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,080 And I think at least we got one follow up episode possibly from Gray Barker coming from this. 868 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,080 Yeah, I have him up. 869 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,080 So I'm going to add him to the list. 870 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,080 Why not? 871 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,080 Why the hell not? 872 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080 Why not throw Gray Barker on there? 873 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,080 The occasional. 874 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,080 What if he's related to Bob Barker, brother? 875 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080 Never came up. 876 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,080 Can't say. 877 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,080 No, that'll be something to look into for the actual episode. 878 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,080 And that that's my episode. 879 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,080 Well, Chelsea, thank you so much for this episode. 880 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:38,080 I know I'll be very happily sipping on my sherry talking about the finer things in life and just happening to mention a vampiric 881 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:45,080 vampiric vegetable varmint that lovingly embraced and penetrated a man in the woods. 882 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,080 Yeah, I like that. 883 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,080 That's the theory of the story that you focus on for that. 884 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,080 Yeah, I mean, there will be likely be more like because they will have more questions. 885 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,080 I have to assume. 886 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080 But that's how you intrigue. 887 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:07,080 And for those of you listening for etiquette purposes for black tie affairs, you bring people into your stories with intrigue so that they feel like 888 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,080 they can't leave the store. 889 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,080 And for that, you are welcome. 890 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,080 We are here for our higher society tips for the most part. 891 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,080 I think that's what the end of the day this podcast is all about. 892 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,080 That's our mission statement. 893 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,080 Quite often. 894 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,080 No, that's our secret mission statement. 895 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,080 Yeah, I said the quiet part. 896 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,080 And for that, we have to end the episode now. 897 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080 I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 898 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080 We are journey to the fringe. 899 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080 Thank you for listening. 900 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,080 We'll see you next week. 901 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,080 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 902 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:55,080 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe or follow, depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 903 00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:01,080 Also, please, if possible, leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 904 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,080 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 905 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,080 I bet you we are there. 906 00:46:08,080 --> 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