1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,640 I think this opener is following up on one Chelsea did not that long ago. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,240 We're recording a buffer right now, so it's kind of hard to say where it actually falls 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,440 into the grand scheme of all the episodes. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:13,920 Is it British Andy? 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,400 No, it was about the avian flu. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,540 And I just saw this article and we're talking about this is why all the chicken and poultry 7 00:00:21,540 --> 00:00:24,600 and egg prices are so high right now is the avian flu. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,480 Well, I found this article to kind of give everybody an update and another side of it 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,480 on Reuters. 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,440 It came out January 21st, 2023. 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,480 It's by Leah Douglas and it is titled High Egg Prices Should Be Investigated, says US 12 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:38,480 farm groups. 13 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:39,480 Yeah. 14 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:44,120 The Federal Trade Commission should examine high egg prices for signs of price gouging 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,480 from top egg companies, a farm group said, as Americans continue to pay more than ever 16 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,200 for the household staple. 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,040 US regulators, farmers and industry have often argued in recent years about the power of 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,120 top agricultural firms set prices and drive up what consumers pay for groceries, such 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,480 as when the price of beef skyrocketed in 2021. 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,120 The latest concern is eggs, the price of which was up 138% in December from a year prior 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,840 before 25 a dozen, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,040 The US Department of Agriculture, USDA, has pointed to a record outbreak of avian flu 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,120 as a reason for the high prices. 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,880 But the nation's antitrust regulator should also examine record high profits at the top 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,120 egg companies, said farm action on Thursday in a letter to FTC Chair Lena Kahn. 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:37,080 CalMain Foods, which controls 20% of the retail egg market, reported quarterly sales up 110% 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:43,240 and gross profits up more than 600% over the same quarter in the prior fiscal year, according 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,560 to a late December filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,840 So these companies that are saying like egg prices are so high because of this, they're 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,160 making record profits. 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Yeah. 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,160 So it's very convenient. 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,440 That's nice. 34 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Whereas like it should just be eggs cost more because there's less of them, not because 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,720 the company is making more profits. 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Yeah. 37 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,080 And then you don't see their profits go up. 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Yeah. 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,520 The company pointed to a decrease in egg supply nationwide due to avian flu driving up prices 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,160 as a reason for its record sales. 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,760 The company has had no positive avian flu tests on any of its farms. 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,320 The US egg production was about 5% lower in October compared to last year and egg inventories 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,360 were down 29% in December compared to the beginning of the year. 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,080 The latest USDA data shows. 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,960 A significant drop, but one that may not explain record high prices said Basil Mushurbash, 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,400 an attorney with farm action. 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,960 That is quite the name. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:39,200 We want the FTC to dig in and see if consumers are being price gouged, said Mushurbash. 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,160 The FTC declined to comment. 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,360 In a statement, CalMain said that the higher production costs along with avian flu were 51 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,000 contributing to higher prices. 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,080 An egg marketing group said in a statement that egg prices reflect a variety of factors 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,480 and that wholesale egg prices are beginning to fall. 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,520 Nearly 58 million chickens and turkeys have been killed by avian flu or to control the 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,200 spread of the virus since the beginning of 2022. 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,200 Mostly in March and April, according to the USDA. 57 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,360 Previous largest outbreak in 2015 killed 50.5 million birds. 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,760 CalMain shares have fallen in recent weeks after climbing almost 50% last year. 59 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,840 So that's the article. 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,600 I just wanted to give another view on why egg prices are so high because a lot of the 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,480 times when you see these explanations, someone has behind the scenes kind of paid for that 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,520 explanation to happen or markets themselves in the media. 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,840 So nobody really wants to talk about the bad things. 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,880 Yeah, you got to wonder about with inflation and everything going up as well and how much 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,440 of it is companies raising their prices to make more of a profit knowing that inflation 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,440 is knowing they have an excuse. 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Exactly. 68 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Yeah, you can just say, oh, inflation, another 10%. 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Yeah. 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,480 And I'm not sure how far that avian flu one is back now, but good. 71 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Yeah. 72 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,200 And we'll keep you posted if there's anything else that we need to on that one. 73 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,120 But I think that's a good place to end that and start the episode. 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:12,720 From the unexplained to the mundane, why don't you come join us on our journey to the fringe? 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where sometimes the kernel of fringe that 76 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,280 we explore come on the macabre. 77 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:24,480 We are your clearly clever and hilarious hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, who just made you exhale 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,880 slightly heavier out of your nose, whether it be due to humor or cringe. 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,160 Anyhow, enough about me. 80 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,120 Let's talk about fringe and fringe. 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,120 We shall. 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,360 Chelsea has quite the topic for us. 83 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,680 I like to think that that puns involved in this one, but if it's not, oh, well, I just 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,520 need to get that pun out there. 85 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,720 And I shall turn it over to you. 86 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:50,600 OK, the topic this week, I thought would be an interesting subject because I don't know 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,200 much about Mother Shipton either. 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,600 And I thought it would be fun to find out more about her because I hear her name every 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,600 so often. 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,160 And every time I hear it, I'm like, that's something I should probably look into one 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,160 day. 92 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,000 And today's the day I look into it. 93 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,040 And now I'm going to share it with everybody. 94 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,640 So Mother Shipton, A.K.A Ursula Southale, like the bad octopus in The Little Mermaid, 95 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,640 right? 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,000 She was an octopus, right? 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,680 I think so. 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,200 That makes the most sense. 99 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Yeah. 100 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,760 But because it's half human, half octopus, it's a myrtapus, right? 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,480 His myr stands for half human, half whatever comes next. 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,560 I thought the maid. 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,320 I thought the maid part was the human because like humans are maids. 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,920 Oh, myr, maid. 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,560 So yeah. 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Octo maid. 107 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:40,560 Octo maid. 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,280 No, that doesn't sound as good as mermaid. 109 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:44,360 I thought she was like an octo witch. 110 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Yeah. 111 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,360 Octo witch. 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,440 I don't like octa in front of it, but OK, that's not what the episode's about today. 113 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Oh, man. 114 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,600 So why are we talking about Mother Shipton other than what I just said that I wanted to 115 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,720 look into her and bring you guys along for the journey? 116 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,100 Other reasons include because she was a prophetess, a soothsayer, which nobody ever really uses 117 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:10,800 that word anymore, and was sometimes described as a witch. 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Also like Ursula from The Little Mermaid. 119 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Right. 120 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,520 She was a witch. 121 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Yeah. 122 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Or just bad guy. 123 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,520 Octo witch. 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Yeah. 125 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Yeah. 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,520 She cast like spells and curses. 127 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Or octopus spells. 128 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:22,520 And traded stuff. 129 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,520 Yeah. 130 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Yeah. 131 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,680 Maybe like, I don't know, a sea genie? 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,800 Because like she gave you what you wanted. 133 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,800 Oh, yeah. 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,800 A sea genie. 135 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:32,800 I can see it. 136 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Yeah. 137 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,800 But like with a twist. 138 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,040 I also seem to suit the situation correctly. 139 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,640 We digress again. 140 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,880 Mother Shipton lived in the time of Henry VIII of England and predicted his victory 141 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,440 over France in 1513 in the Battle of the Spurs. 142 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,720 I've also never heard of that. 143 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,760 She also predicted the dissolution of the monasteries. 144 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,000 This is a long time ago, people. 145 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,300 This led to the redistribution of the wealth and land held by the monasteries to the emerging 146 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,280 middle class and the existing noble families. 147 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,560 See how much we're learning already? 148 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,560 It's like a history class. 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,880 And I'm teaching it. 150 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:10,880 That's fucked. 151 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,880 It is true. 152 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:19,100 It is said that she foretold the fates of several rulers within and just after her lifetime, 153 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:25,920 as well as the invention of iron ships, the Great Fire of London in 1666 and the defeat 154 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,680 of the Spanish Armada. 155 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,600 By the way, I just looked it up really quick. 156 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,360 She was in fact a sea witch. 157 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Okay, which just completely, completely disregards the fact that she has tentacles. 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Yeah, it does. 159 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,680 So I don't know what to think of that. 160 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,040 There has to be a better word for it. 161 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,040 I'll think of it. 162 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,760 It'll come to me in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. 163 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Yeah. 164 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,040 So that's what Mother Shipton in a nutshell predicted. 165 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Now, this isn't a true debate, but just a debate within myself as I was going through 166 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,360 this. 167 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,280 It is a debate amongst people who look into Mother Shipton as to where the predictions 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,400 came from. 169 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,360 There are sources that say Mother Shipton didn't write any of her predictions down. 170 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,000 There are others that say she kept a diary and others that say the poems came from scrolls 171 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,080 that were found that she wrote. 172 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,800 All in all, many legends and prophecies accredited to her were created after her death to enhance 173 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,440 the folk legend that she had become. 174 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Her legend was passed on through oral traditions in one of the many variations I read and is 175 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,200 perhaps sometimes embellished a bit. 176 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Since 1641, there have been more than 50 different editions of books about her and her prophecies. 177 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,040 And keep in mind, she's back in the day of 1513. 178 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,080 No, even before that, 1513. 179 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,240 I'll tell you in a minute here. 180 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,640 That's a pretty exact date to get wrong. 181 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,720 You could have just said the 1500s. 182 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,480 She's... we'll get to the exact dates coming up. 183 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Just bear with me here. 184 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,680 The earliest sources of the legends of the Mother Shipton were published starting in 185 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:12,120 1641-ish by a woman named Joanne Walker, who heard the story as a young girl and transcribed 186 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,880 it as Mother Shipton spoke of her life. 187 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,040 There's a huge gap between her death and any written records of her for about like a hundred 188 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,280 years or so. 189 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,880 And that's less time than Jesus. 190 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,400 So at least there's that. 191 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:33,320 There's also Samuel Pepe's recorded in his diaries in 1666, whilst surveying the damage 192 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,160 to London caused by the London Fire. 193 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,280 While in the company of the royal family, he heard them discuss the prophecy of the 194 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,460 event told by Mother Shipton. 195 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:49,040 With that being said, she may have shown up in a letter written by King Henry VIII in 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,040 1537. 197 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,720 So while Catholic people were rebelling against the dissolution of Catholic monasteries, Henry 198 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,920 VIII wrote a letter to the Duke of Norfolk where he refers to the Witch of York, which 199 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,480 is strongly believed that this letter is the earliest reference to the real Mother Shipton 200 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,560 who would have been prophesying about Henry VIII at this time. 201 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,240 And there would only be one witch in York. 202 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,240 I mean... 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,800 That just seems like a low amount of witches for the time in my book. 204 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,400 It really does because it seemed like they were running rampant at the time. 205 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,680 It's probably more for the yay sayers of Mother Shipton saying that it's more than likely 206 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:29,680 her. 207 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:30,680 Her reason's unknown. 208 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:34,340 She's a very mysterious kind of person as we'll get into. 209 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:37,100 So this is a lot about her prophecies. 210 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:40,940 We will get into a lot more about her prophecies. 211 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:43,000 That's just kind of setting up who she is. 212 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Why are we talking about her? 213 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,840 Why do we want to know about her? 214 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 So let's just talk about her origin story. 215 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,840 Mother Shipton was born 1488 so I was off by a little bit. 216 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,840 Not that bad though. 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:56,840 She'd be like 30-ish? 218 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,840 Yeah. 219 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,840 Around the time? 220 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,840 25? 221 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,600 She was alive at the specific year I just said. 222 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:09,680 In 1488 she was born to 15 year old Agatha Soothail in a cave in North Yorkshire outside 223 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:15,200 of the town of Nairsboro and died in 1561 at about 72 or 73. 224 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,160 So she lived quite a long life for this time. 225 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,240 These 100 year later peeps that are writing about Mother Shipton after she had died for 226 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,920 a while say that she was born during a violent thunderstorm and was deformed and ugly, born 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,080 with a hunchback and bulging eyes. 228 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,880 So just very ugly baby. 229 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:34,880 Born with that. 230 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,880 Yeah. 231 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,880 That's fun. 232 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Yeah. 233 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Upon being born she did not cry. 234 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:39,880 She cackled. 235 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,080 I mean what baby doesn't. 236 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,800 And the storm ceased and the smell of sulfur filled the air. 237 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,280 So that's the origin story. 238 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,840 And it is said that her mother Agatha, having been a poor and desolate 15 year old orphan, 239 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,080 had no means to support herself, had fallen under the influences of the devil and engaged 240 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,720 in an affair resulting in the baby Mother Shipton. 241 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,720 Which they refer to as a child. 242 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,900 Okay it's not more likely that she may have worked at a brothel because that's the only 243 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:11,360 thing that she would be able to do. 244 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,840 No it was the devil. 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,840 For sure. 246 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Okay. 247 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,840 Because that's the only- 248 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,600 I mean because that's what people 178 years later are telling us makes sense. 249 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Exactly, it was the devil. 250 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,000 There's no other options you'll see. 251 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,800 Other variations include that Agatha was a witch who summoned the devil to conceive a 252 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,240 child which is still very common to this day. 253 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,480 Not the option Taylor just said for sure because Mother Shipton's different and was fathered 254 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,480 by the devil. 255 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,960 Well absent fathered by the devil. 256 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,880 The devil was never evolved in her life. 257 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,160 No no he was just the genetic part. 258 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Didn't actually father. 259 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Yeah no. 260 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,120 I don't know if I'd expect the devil to stick around. 261 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,400 There's actually a series on Disney Plus right now what's it called. 262 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:08,820 And it's literally yeah like pretty much a situation where it's written by Dan Harmon. 263 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:14,020 And he also did Rick and Morty and it's basically and Danny DeVito's in it he plays the devil. 264 00:13:14,020 --> 00:13:19,640 And it's about the hellspawn of Satan who's living on earth who was fathered by a single 265 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,920 mother and she just like became of age and he's trying to parent her now. 266 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 This isn't Little Nicky we're talking about is it? 267 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,360 No it's not. 268 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,640 It's called Little- what is it called? 269 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,560 It's still called Little something though? 270 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,080 I think it is. 271 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,440 Okay I have to look this up just because it's bugging me right now. 272 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Yeah it's bothering me also that you don't know the name of it. 273 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,440 Little Demon yeah. 274 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Okay mother shipton story. 275 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Yeah more or less but like modern day. 276 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,560 I'll have to look into that. 277 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:55,720 Okay so whichever option it was Agatha for real would never disclose who the father was. 278 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,640 In those times that also meant that the two were ostracized from society and they lived 279 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,700 in the same cave Ursula was born in for the first couple years of Ursula's life. 280 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:11,320 This cave is now known as mother shipton's cave to this day and the cave where she once 281 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,960 lived mother shipton's cave is one of Inglis oldest tourist attractions and for hundreds 282 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,960 of years people have trekked to see the cave where she is born. 283 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,200 It's actually quite a cool cave. 284 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,360 Well I would hope if somebody's living there. 285 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,320 I don't think anyone lives there anymore. 286 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,320 Oh good. 287 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,800 This cave is referred to as a petrifying well and its water has mineral content so high 288 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,000 anything placed in a pool will slowly be covered in layers of stone. 289 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Tourists place items in the pool to later return and see it turn to stone. 290 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Like how later? 291 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,680 That's hard to say. 292 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Like is it a bathroom break or is it like you gotta wait 10 years? 293 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,800 I couldn't imagine long if it was tourists like why would you want to go back 10 years 294 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:50,800 later. 295 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Oh that would be the marketing gimmick for the town. 296 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Like you gotta come back you gotta come see if that thing turns to stone. 297 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,000 That's information I don't have unfortunately. 298 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,360 If anyone goes please tell us how long to wait until you have to go back because I'm 299 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,720 not even gonna google that. 300 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,640 It's too boring to actually be answered. 301 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Someone report back. 302 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:19,060 After two years of living in the cave the abbot of Beverly intervened and removed them 303 00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:24,200 from the cave being the devil child and the mother securing the place of Agatha in the 304 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,200 covenant of the Order of St. Bridget in Nottinghamshire and Ursula in a foster family in Nairsboro 305 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,360 and they never saw each other again. 306 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,680 So that's sad. 307 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,000 It is likely Ursula had a large crooked nose and suffered from a hunchback and crooked 308 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 legs. 309 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,960 This is synonymous with mothership and that she was just so ugly. 310 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,240 The physical differences acted as a visual reminder of the secretive events of her birth 311 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,160 and the townspeople never forgot about that. 312 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,940 She found acceptance with her foster family and a few friends but Ursula was ultimately 313 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:01,280 ostracized from the larger portion of people in town. 314 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,800 Weird and unexplained things were also said to have happened around her. 315 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Apparently when she was a toddler she was found cackling in her foster mother's kitchen 316 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,800 alone with pots and pans. 317 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Love to cackle. 318 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Big fan of cackling. 319 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,320 Babies like cackling. 320 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Yeah they do. 321 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:22,680 Not sure why not every baby is accused of being a devil child but this one's special. 322 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Just a special cackle. 323 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Another much talked about incident including the time a parish meeting was disrupted when 324 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,360 she played tricks on the local men who had been mocking her through the window. 325 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,100 She found sanctuary in the woods from all the ridicule like her mother and had spent 326 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:42,560 most of her childhood learning of plants and herbs and the medicinal properties of them 327 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,440 and became quite a renowned herbalist in the town where that expanded her circle. 328 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Being a herbalist. 329 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,260 People like that about her. 330 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:55,000 This expanding of circles led her to meeting Tobias Shipton. 331 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040 There's some foreshadowing for you. 332 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Not really but you see where this is going. 333 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,800 We're still good at this. 334 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:06,800 I know. 335 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Foreshadowing is my jam. 336 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,800 It's our forte. 337 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,960 It's right up there with English pronunciations. 338 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Tobias was a carpenter from York and when she was 24 it is said that she had placed 339 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,200 him under a spell in order for him to marry her. 340 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,760 A month after their marriage Ursula helped out a neighbour who had had some items of 341 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,440 clothing stolen from her home. 342 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,840 The following day a woman walking through the town singing I stole my neighbour's 343 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,280 smocking coat I am a thief before handing it over to Shipton and leaving with the curtsy. 344 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,960 So there's that. 345 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Really weird interaction. 346 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,840 I'm not sure if anyone else thought it was weird at the time. 347 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,040 And just so that we are clear we're still talking this is all written down like over 348 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,440 a hundred years after. 349 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,440 Yes. 350 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,440 Yeah. 351 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,440 Okay. 352 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,440 Everything is. 353 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,440 Yeah. 354 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,440 Okay. 355 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,440 I just wanted to make sure on that. 356 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,440 Yeah it's like the Bible. 357 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,440 Anyhow. 358 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,960 Tobias died only a few years after they were married before they had any kids so no kids 359 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,960 here. 360 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,200 The grief of losing her husband and the harsh words of the town prompted Ursula Shipton 361 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,480 to move into the woods and they moved to the same cave she had been born in for peace. 362 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,480 There she continued to create potions and herbal remedies for people. 363 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,560 I'm not sure why because... 364 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,480 She seems way too nice for her by treating her. 365 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Yeah. 366 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,480 You guys are assholes. 367 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,480 But here. 368 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,480 Fuck you guys. 369 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,480 I'm just gonna keep making you stuff in the woods. 370 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,480 This is gonna cure your ails. 371 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,480 I'd probably be making poison. 372 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Fuck you. 373 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,200 Nice spit in it. 374 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,200 Here you go. 375 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,000 It still works. 376 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,320 Mother Shipton's name slowly became more and more well known and people would travel far 377 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,720 distances to see her and receive potions and spells. 378 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,240 I wonder if she knew that people were also traveling to see the cave. 379 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,160 Maybe they weren't traveling to see her and get her spells. 380 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:57,760 They dropped a penny in and they just thought, oh hey, somebody's selling some potions here. 381 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Guess I need to pass the time, however much it is, while I wait for this thing to solidify. 382 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Shipton exhibited prophetic and psychic abilities from an early age and ended up writing her 383 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,720 prophecies, somehow. 384 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,000 As her popularity grew, she grew bolder and revealed she could see the future. 385 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,160 She started by making small prophecies involving her town and the people within and as her 386 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,080 prophecies came true, she began telling prophecies of the monarchy and the future of the world. 387 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,520 So wait, these people, she still has a relationship with the people in town in this story, yet 388 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,880 they tell her she has to live in this cave. 389 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,960 Well, if they didn't tell her to live in the cave, she just kind of retreated back to the 390 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,960 cave. 391 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,600 Okay, because they were treating her like shit. 392 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,640 But yeah, but it seems like the whole town really didn't like her and wasn't very nice 393 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,640 to her. 394 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,320 And you get the feeling when reading the stories is because she's so ugly and also because 395 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,920 she was fathered by the devil. 396 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,200 Yeah, but they don't find that out for like another 150 years. 397 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,200 That's true. 398 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,200 That's true. 399 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,200 She had no father. 400 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,600 So they also didn't like that, whether it was a devil or not. 401 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,560 But yeah, we'll see. 402 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:10,360 As with most stories we tell on this podcast, there were a lot of contradictions going on 403 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:11,920 in her story. 404 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:18,840 A lot of the problem is that nothing was written down and all the stories come 100 years later. 405 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,760 So yeah, well, how could you like I looked it up the literacy rate in England at the 406 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,880 time was about 11% and they count it literate to be able to sign your name. 407 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,880 Really? 408 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,920 Yeah, that is not good. 409 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,180 Yeah, I'm doing great by those standards though. 410 00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:38,480 So there's that I have going for me. 411 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,840 I have perfect grammar by 15th century English standards. 412 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,240 So it's weird. 413 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,880 You'll find that's a good fact to have because there's a lot of contradictions and it's weird. 414 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Even for if she was writing these things down, it would be like she would have had to be 415 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,880 a genius, I guess. 416 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:04,960 Yeah, it seems really unlikely that somebody born in a cave to a 15 year old mother who 417 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,040 likely wasn't well off would be literate like that just seems really unlikely. 418 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Yeah, so no, it's full of contradictions. 419 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,480 I mean, but maybe it just genetically came from her dad. 420 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Who knows? 421 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,400 It could have really especially if it was the devil. 422 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,880 I've heard that he has a pretty high IQ. 423 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Yeah, and if he's constantly doing math, yeah, and like writing those contracts. 424 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,800 Yeah, he is. 425 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800 He needs to stay sharp. 426 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,680 Justin eventually became known as Mother Shipton because of all the people she helped with 427 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,960 the forest flowers and mushrooms and predictions. 428 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,000 She was really on top of her game helping people while everyone was just really busy 429 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,520 by all accounts being assholes to her. 430 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Yes. 431 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:54,440 Yeah, obviously the mother predictor made her well known around England. 432 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,740 But by the way, everyone goes on about it. 433 00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:00,280 You would think it was because she was ugly and deformed. 434 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,680 So at this point, she's living quite the remarkable life. 435 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,360 I'm surprised there's not like she wasn't inspired by like the Brothers Grimm or something 436 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,200 like that to have a story about her. 437 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,200 They're in Germany. 438 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,400 Yeah, so they probably wouldn't have heard about her. 439 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Yeah. 440 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,940 Fun fact to add right here, because this seems as good a time as any for anyone that may 441 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:25,560 have been to this place or now wants to add it to their bucket list. 442 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,000 For what reason, I'm not sure you may want to though. 443 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,140 She is associated with the Rollrite Stones of Oxfordshire, which are old ruins and a 444 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:40,240 complex of Neolithic and Bronze Age megalithic monuments near the village of Longcompton 445 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080 on the borders of Oxfordshire and Warwickshire. 446 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Oh, those are cool stones. 447 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Yeah, they are. 448 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,120 And they're pretty old. 449 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:54,020 And reportedly a king and his men transformed to stone after failing Mother Shipton's test. 450 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:55,480 It was a math test, see? 451 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,600 So always be doing math. 452 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Both prove sanity and keeps you decalcified. 453 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,760 Yeah, exactly. 454 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,120 Almost exactly. 455 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:08,200 I find it interesting I chose to put that in that space in my notes because there is 456 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160 another space that I talk about stuff like this. 457 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,480 Okay, it's a creative interpretation. 458 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,400 So I'm just gonna leave that there. 459 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,660 There we are. 460 00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:19,700 That's where it lies. 461 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,160 Let's get into some prophecies of Mother Shipton. 462 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Of course, with an asterisk, of some of these may or may not have been predicted because 463 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,760 if, and as we've been going through, and you'll remember, her prophecies were apparently recorded 464 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,500 in a series of diaries that no one's seen the diaries. 465 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:40,420 It is more than likely that she actually didn't write shit down. 466 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:42,560 So that's probably the most accurate one. 467 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,900 So now I do have to admit that while I'm quite confused about how the poems came to be, because 468 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:53,180 on one hand there's a diary no one has seen, and on the other hand it's generally accepted 469 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:57,780 that there isn't any record of anything being written down relating to Mother Shipton until 470 00:23:57,780 --> 00:24:00,680 like 80 to 100 years after she died. 471 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,680 But I'm not here to pass judgment. 472 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,540 At this point in the podcast, I'm just here to provide you with some beautiful prophetic 473 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:11,620 poetry and let you know I'm a little confused as to what's going on with Mother Shipton's 474 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:12,620 records. 475 00:24:12,620 --> 00:24:16,400 There probably isn't any, is what I'm going with. 476 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,020 So let's start with one of Shipton's first local predictions which would have contributed 477 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:26,860 to her increasing in popularity in the local community as a fortune teller and prediction 478 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:27,860 maker. 479 00:24:27,860 --> 00:24:32,960 Quote, before Ouse Bridge and Trinity Church meet, what is built in the day shall fall 480 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,660 in the night, till the highest stone in the church be the lowest stone of the bridge. 481 00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:39,460 So let's break it down. 482 00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:42,340 Let's unpack her quote, her poetry. 483 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:47,780 Not long after Mother Shipton uttered this prophecy did a huge storm fall on York. 484 00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:52,780 During the storm, the steeple of the top of Trinity Church fell and a portion of the Ouse 485 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:56,100 Bridge was destroyed and swept away by the river. 486 00:24:56,100 --> 00:25:00,700 Later when making repairs to the bridge, pieces that had previously been the steeple of the 487 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:05,300 church were used as the foundation of the new section of the bridge, effectively making 488 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:10,420 Trinity Church and the Ouse Bridge what was built in the day and fell in the night. 489 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:14,700 And the steeple from Trinity Church, the highest stone, be the foundation of the bridge, the 490 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:16,640 lowest stone of the bridge. 491 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,860 It came true. 492 00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:21,060 By all accounts of what I'm writing to you right here. 493 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:22,820 It's true and she predicted. 494 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:26,020 So the event happened, the statement nobody knows. 495 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:29,340 The poetry, maybe? 496 00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:31,100 The event did happen, yes. 497 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,620 When she predicted it, who's to say? 498 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:34,620 Really. 499 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:35,620 Next one. 500 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:36,620 A print. 501 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:38,700 I at least like that they said she said it. 502 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,180 Like she didn't write that one down. 503 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:41,180 Yeah. 504 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:46,580 So it actually, it clears at least the eye test of what she might have been able to do. 505 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:47,580 Yeah. 506 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:50,060 Now here's the thing that I also have issue with. 507 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:52,260 Like why is this in poetry? 508 00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:57,140 Like I know a lot of this exists on local legend and people retelling the stories and 509 00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:58,140 everything. 510 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:02,460 Maybe poetry sticks in people's mind more because it rhymes. 511 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:04,940 It's like a song you get stuck in your head maybe. 512 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:05,940 Yeah. 513 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:07,540 That's what Nostradamus was all about. 514 00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:08,540 Yeah. 515 00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:10,140 The mysticism and like the poems. 516 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:14,540 And you would think that maybe I would look up the times he was making predictions. 517 00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:15,540 When is he from? 518 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:17,660 I think he's a hundred years before that. 519 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:18,660 Like 1400s. 520 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:22,100 His were written down 1503 to 1500. 521 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,660 Oh no, it's exactly this time. 522 00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:24,900 It's the same time. 523 00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:26,140 But he wrote it down. 524 00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:28,540 So he must've been a genius. 525 00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:34,880 So it might've been just the style at the time to put prophecies into poetry. 526 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,220 But if she can't write, which we make, you make a good point. 527 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:40,020 She probably was illiterate. 528 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:45,780 I would be very curious to see maybe just do an episode on rhyming prophets. 529 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,100 People also ask what they're looking up. 530 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:49,100 Nostradamus. 531 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,060 Does Nostradamus marry? 532 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:53,140 What a question. 533 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:59,860 My favorite thing is popular Google questions because people are fucking idiots. 534 00:26:59,860 --> 00:27:04,220 They Google the most fucked up things. 535 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:06,780 They sure do. 536 00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:07,780 Okay. 537 00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:09,100 Next prophecy. 538 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,540 You may have heard this one. 539 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:14,860 This one I've heard as well and I never associated it to Mother Shipton, but she's the one that 540 00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:16,900 said it? 541 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:17,900 Question mark? 542 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:23,300 A prince that never shall be born shall make the shaved heads forlorn. 543 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:28,860 This one is said to be about Edward VI, commonly believed to be born my c-section and the shaved 544 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:34,660 heads forlorn is a reference to making England into a more Protestant nation. 545 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:35,660 There are- 546 00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:36,660 Okay. 547 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:37,660 Yeah. 548 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:42,980 I don't want to go out the history of those religions to really shed light on that. 549 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:48,540 This history is something that is- most history is I'm not a history buff at all. 550 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:55,820 So let's just believe Mother Shipton's predictions, okay? 551 00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:56,820 You know what? 552 00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,260 We just need to find somebody who's really obscure in a culture that not many people 553 00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:03,660 know and just say, yeah, they said this. 554 00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:04,660 And they're like, did it come true? 555 00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:05,660 Yeah. 556 00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:06,660 Are you going to look into it? 557 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:07,660 No. 558 00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:08,660 There you go. 559 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:10,700 And so we're all learning history here. 560 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,340 You learned it here on Journey to the Fringe as you learn most of your knowledge. 561 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,100 That's a true statement. 562 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,420 That's why we have such smart listeners. 563 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:19,940 Wasn't an opener. 564 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:23,900 That is why we have such smart open- no, not openers. 565 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,220 Listeners, listeners. 566 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:26,220 And- 567 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:29,620 No, yeah, one's a byproduct of the other. 568 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:33,140 The openers are very good. 569 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:37,820 There are also a lot of predictions about Henry VIII, who was very popular at the time, 570 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:41,260 I hear, because of all of these predictions that I've read. 571 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:48,340 So the first one is, when the cow doth ride the bull, then, priest, beware the skull. 572 00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:52,940 And when the lower shrubs do fall, the great trees quickly follow shall. 573 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:58,780 The mitered peacock's lofty cry shall to his master be a guide, and one great court to 574 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:02,580 pass shall bring what was never done by any king. 575 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:07,020 Where shall grieve to see the day, and who did feast must fast and pray? 576 00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:12,700 Eight so decreed their overthrow, riches brought pride, and pride brought woe. 577 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:17,140 When the cow doth ride the bull, then, priest, beware the skull. 578 00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:22,100 So often when Mother Shipton would have visions of specific people, she wouldn't see faces 579 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,060 or names, but their family heraldry. 580 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:29,660 The cow mentioned represents the heraldry of Henry VIII, and the bull similarly represents 581 00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:30,980 Anne Boilin. 582 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:35,540 Mother Shipton is making the beginning of her prophecy to the marriage of King Henry 583 00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:37,780 VIII and Anne Boilin. 584 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:40,420 Once they are wed, the priests need to beware. 585 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:44,660 This is because their marriage marks the beginning of the dissolution of the monasteries. 586 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:46,740 Apparently that's a huge thing. 587 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,220 Where King Henry VIII… 588 00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:49,860 Yeah, that one is. 589 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:50,860 Yeah. 590 00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:55,420 That's because he wasn't allowed to legally divorce Anne Boilin, despite… because he 591 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:59,140 wanted to divorce her because he didn't get a son from her. 592 00:29:59,140 --> 00:30:02,060 And the Catholic Church said, nope, you can't divorce her. 593 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:04,380 And he said, well, I'm making my own church then. 594 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:05,900 And he started the Church of England. 595 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:06,980 Ah, right. 596 00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:12,980 So he demobilized all monasteries, priories, and covenants in England, which is… 597 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:14,860 Taylor did know the history. 598 00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:17,780 Any priests, he lied. 599 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:19,860 Apparently I did know it. 600 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:24,140 I never really think of the Church of England as Protestant, but I do know that part. 601 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:28,260 Both religious and secular lost their lives, suppressing against the laws made to limit 602 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:30,140 the Catholic Church's power. 603 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:34,540 Another quote, the miltered peacock's law shall cry to his master be a guide. 604 00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:37,160 That was actually from the quote that I just read there. 605 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,940 To go into that, in the late 15th century and early 16th century England, King Henry 606 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:46,260 VIII was not the controlling force behind all policies and matters of state. 607 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:51,580 The man who was in control of matters of the state was King's chief advisor Thomas Wolsey. 608 00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:56,300 Wolsey was the son of a butcher who rose up and became Chancellor and then a Cardinal 609 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:57,460 in the Catholic Church. 610 00:30:57,460 --> 00:31:02,020 He was the King's chief advisor and a control and figure in all matters of the state and 611 00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:03,940 Henry VIII's policies. 612 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:08,460 Wolsey was even often depicted as an alter-rex… what? 613 00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:10,660 Another king. 614 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,660 Kind of like T-rex, but alter and meaning king. 615 00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:16,820 Oh yeah, rex means king in Latin. 616 00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:17,820 Regina means queen. 617 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:21,300 That's why if you look at court documents usually it says RV. 618 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,940 The R stands for Rex or Regina. 619 00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:23,940 Oh. 620 00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:24,940 Depending on who's in power. 621 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,340 Look at all the stuff we're learning here. 622 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:29,380 I'm telling, you guys are learning. 623 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:33,220 Because his influence was so absolute in both political and religious spheres. 624 00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:38,700 In her prophecy, Mother Shipton refers to him as a mitered peacock, as he came from 625 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:43,380 the lowly state of being the son of a butcher to controlling and guiding King Henry VIII 626 00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:46,700 in all his policies for England. 627 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:51,020 So then we move on to, and one great court to pass shall bring what was never done by 628 00:31:51,020 --> 00:31:52,140 any king. 629 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:56,580 This portion of the prophecy refers to King Henry VIII seizing power from the Catholic 630 00:31:56,580 --> 00:32:01,780 Church in his creation of the Church of England, which had never been done by any king before. 631 00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:06,940 And then, the poor shall grieve to see the day, and who did feast must fast and pray, 632 00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:11,260 eat so to creed their overthrow riches brought pride, and pride brought woe. 633 00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:16,020 King Henry VIII wanted to take control of all the land and property owned by the monasteries 634 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:17,660 in order to enrich himself. 635 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:22,160 He did this by forcing the monasteries to surrender all their property and then he dissolved 636 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,480 or abolished the monasteries and expelled the monks. 637 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,420 The poor were ultimately the ones that suffered because the monasteries had been the source 638 00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:33,940 of most charity and fed and gave alms to the poor. 639 00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:37,980 With the monasteries all abolished, all the former funds used for charity went into the 640 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:40,780 king's treasury instead of being used to help the poor. 641 00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:48,620 I mean, they're giving a very lax description of how the church used its money. 642 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:50,220 Yeah, I mean... 643 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:52,260 Like all the money just went to charity? 644 00:32:52,260 --> 00:32:55,140 Yeah, that's not how the church has ever worked. 645 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:59,460 Yeah, but of course they do. 646 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:03,340 Mother Shipton then says this fall of the church was inevitable. 647 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:06,300 As the church became more wealthy, they became more prideful. 648 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:07,660 Their lack of humility... 649 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:09,940 But they gave it all to charity! 650 00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:10,940 Exactly! 651 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:18,460 Their lack of humility had ultimately led to their downfall. 652 00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:22,100 And there's no poem for this, I'm sorry, other than the one I just read. 653 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,300 It wasn't pride that led to their downfall. 654 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:30,100 It was the fact they wouldn't let the king divorce because he had no religious grounds. 655 00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:37,260 So if nothing, Mother Shipton's poem has just opened up this nice little dialogue for us 656 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:43,500 to learn about King Henry VIII and a little bit of 15th century England history for us 657 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,780 to chew on for a little bit. 658 00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:46,780 Which is nice. 659 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:49,160 Who doesn't like that every so often? 660 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,340 This is the first time in my life, to be honest, that I'm talking about this. 661 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,660 I'm pretty sure about that. 662 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:56,660 So then there is also King... 663 00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:58,140 No, not King. 664 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:00,500 I just ad-libbed that right there. 665 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:04,540 There's also Elizabeth the First Reformation. 666 00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:11,180 We quote, a maiden queen shall reign anon, the papal powers shall bear no sway, Rome's 667 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:13,780 creed shall hence be swept away. 668 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:14,780 That one's straightforward. 669 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:15,780 Yeah, it's straightforward. 670 00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:19,620 Then there's the broken ships of the Spanish Armada off the English and Irish coast. 671 00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:24,980 Quote, the Western monarch's wooden horses shall be destroyed by Drake's forces. 672 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:31,020 You'll notice I said Mother Shipton didn't name names in her quotes, and this one specifically 673 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:32,860 names a historical figure. 674 00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:37,460 So this one might be a made up prediction by a biographer. 675 00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:39,500 Little red flag on that one. 676 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:44,460 And it made it into the prediction portion, so he cannot be held accountable. 677 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:47,060 Then there is Mary Queen of Scots execution. 678 00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:51,020 Quote, a widowed queen in England shall be headless seen. 679 00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:54,020 Straightforward again, very straightforward on that one. 680 00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:56,980 Then the punishment of Essex for his rebellion. 681 00:34:56,980 --> 00:35:00,380 Quote, an earl without a head be found. 682 00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:03,660 Impressive predictions about people being beheaded. 683 00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:09,220 And the ascension of the Scottish King James VI to the throne of Westminster. 684 00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:15,220 Quote, soon after shall the English rose unto a male her place disposed. 685 00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:18,700 And then there's the Great Fire of London in 1666. 686 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:23,540 Mother Shipton having supposedly claimed that, quote, it comes against London. 687 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:25,060 What a good city this was. 688 00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:27,100 None of the world comparable to it. 689 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,620 And now there's scare a house left. 690 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:31,420 That one has a different feel to it as well. 691 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:32,420 That one's really straightforward. 692 00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:33,820 It is really straightforward. 693 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:36,540 It's almost like someone completely different wrote that one. 694 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:40,180 Or on a game of telephone, you know how telephone worked. 695 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:43,660 They just got a person who completely misunderstood at the end. 696 00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:46,220 But they wouldn't because telephones didn't exist. 697 00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:49,020 Oh, I guess they couldn't play that game. 698 00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:50,020 It can't happen. 699 00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:52,500 That's the closest we know it to though. 700 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,860 So then there are the end times predictions. 701 00:35:54,860 --> 00:36:00,140 Of course, you can't be a witch predictor soothsayer without end time predictions, obviously. 702 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:03,940 This one is probably one of the most notable by Shipton. 703 00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:05,620 Tell me if you've ever heard this. 704 00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:06,740 You might not have. 705 00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:11,220 The world to end shall come in 1881. 706 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:12,620 That's from Mother Shipton. 707 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:13,620 I have not, no. 708 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:14,660 Let's talk about it. 709 00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:18,740 You'll notice this one is not in 16th century English. 710 00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:19,740 Someone dropped a ball. 711 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:21,740 No, it's incredibly straightforward. 712 00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:22,740 Perhaps a... 713 00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:25,580 I don't feel like there's any allegories going on. 714 00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:26,740 Yeah, none at all. 715 00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:31,500 This version was not published until 1862. 716 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:36,900 And more than a decade later, its true author Charles Hindley admitted in print that he 717 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,720 had created the manuscript. 718 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:44,520 This fictional prophecy was published over the years with different dates and in or about 719 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,800 several countries. 720 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,580 The booklet The Life and Prophecies of Ursula Sondthale, better known as Mother Shipton, 721 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,460 predicted the world would end in 1991. 722 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:54,660 Also in the late 70s... 723 00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:55,660 1881? 724 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:56,660 1991. 725 00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:58,660 Okay, so this is a different prediction. 726 00:36:58,660 --> 00:37:03,260 No, it's just somebody that made this up in the first place and it just kept... 727 00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:04,260 Moving back. 728 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:06,500 Yeah, it just kept moving with the times. 729 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:07,500 That's how they go. 730 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:08,500 Yeah. 731 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,020 And in the late 70s, many news articles were published about Mother Shipton and her prophecy 732 00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:15,160 that the world would end in 1981. 733 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,700 So they all rhyme and end in one. 734 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:18,700 So... 735 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,140 Yeah, they're all fairly symmetrical choices. 736 00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:22,900 1881, 1991, 1981. 737 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:27,000 Those are the options. 738 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,820 And none of them happened. 739 00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:34,020 Among other well-known lines from Hindley's fictional version, often quoted as if they 740 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:35,580 were original, are, 741 00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:40,820 A carriage without a horse shall go, disaster fill the world with... 742 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:42,220 These are fairly straightforward. 743 00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:46,620 In water, iron then shall float, as easy as a wooden boat. 744 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:52,220 To summarize, Mother Shipton did not predict any end times from those quotes. 745 00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:58,540 There is a biographer as well that admitted to making stuff up about her life as well. 746 00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,540 Some scholars have argued that she is complete fiction and that many of her prophecies were 747 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:06,140 composed by others after her death. 748 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:10,980 There are those, however, that argue that she was in some way an actual person, embellished 749 00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:11,980 through local... 750 00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:12,980 In some way. 751 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:13,980 In some way. 752 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:16,620 Embellished through local tradition in a folk legend. 753 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:18,820 Which I mean, that happens. 754 00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:22,380 I probably think it's that, more than anything. 755 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:24,820 I mean, she's born in a cave. 756 00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:27,900 I mean, that is the things of local legend. 757 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:32,420 And there is at least one clue earlier than the 17th century which indicates that the 758 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:36,460 prophetess may be based in more than pure invention. 759 00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:43,060 In 1537, as Catholic rebels in Yorkshire rebelled against Henry VIII, which we talked about 760 00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:48,540 one of the first things I talked about, and his dissolution of the monasteries, the Assyl 761 00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:53,220 king wrote a letter to the Duke of Norfolk in which he disdainfully refers to the Witch 762 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:54,580 of York. 763 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:59,700 They do really believe that this is referencing the real Mother Shipton. 764 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,380 You do bring up a good point. 765 00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:06,900 There probably were a lot of people accusing others of being witches around the time. 766 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:12,140 I would also wonder, because it is with regards to talking about religious groups, if it's 767 00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:17,940 a way of backhandedly speaking about your enemies, like the witch there, which would 768 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:21,340 be just like, that's the Catholic group. 769 00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:25,460 Not having seen the actual letter, I can't tell you how they're interpretation of how 770 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:27,100 witches are used. 771 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,820 Especially when I'm reading this all in regards to Mother Shipton, there's always the confirmation 772 00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:37,660 bias where you're using it to make your point that it is about the real Mother Shipton. 773 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,180 And that's what Mother Shipton people say that they think it is more than likely about 774 00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:42,780 the real Mother Shipton. 775 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:48,260 So there's also the part that predictions made to come true are sometimes used as a 776 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:53,940 form of propaganda by governments or other institutions by means of saying, oh, look, 777 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:57,360 this was predicted by Mother Shipton and it's come true. 778 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,140 So people are just more apt to accept what's happening to them. 779 00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:07,160 So by making up these predictions, people are like more easily able to accept things 780 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,620 that are happening because it was prophesied about. 781 00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:15,580 With all that being said, Mother Shipton has a rather large legacy in England. 782 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:19,100 She accumulated considerable folklore, if you can't tell. 783 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:24,100 Her name became associated with many tragic events and strange goings on, according in 784 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,100 the UK. 785 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:30,200 North America and Australia throughout the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. 786 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,620 Many fortune tellers used her effigy and statue presumably for the purpose of association 787 00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:36,620 marketing. 788 00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:38,440 Many pubs were named after her. 789 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,380 Many too survived, one near her birthplace in Nairsborough and the other in Portsmouth, 790 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,700 where there is a life-size statue above the door. 791 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:46,900 Are either in a cave. 792 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:50,060 No, but there is the Mother Shipton cave where she was born. 793 00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:51,060 Okay. 794 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:57,120 I do also like to think that her persona lives on and how like the physical look of witches 795 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,380 on TV and movies carries on with like hunchback and physical deformities. 796 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:04,380 You're very right. 797 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,700 There's actually nothing in that, but it's very true. 798 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:14,060 And I'm going to post hopefully some pictures on the socials and it is very much stereotypical 799 00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:15,060 with. 800 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:16,860 That's kind of where it comes from in my mind. 801 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:21,540 Because outside of that, I know that I've done much research into it, but I don't think 802 00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:24,900 like the idea of witches being deformed comes from anything. 803 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,220 I wouldn't think so. 804 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:27,620 Not with that timeframe. 805 00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:29,180 That makes complete sense. 806 00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:34,580 A caricature of Mother Shipton was used in early Pantomimes and is believed by historians 807 00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:39,340 to be the forerunner of the Panto Dame, whatever that means. 808 00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:41,660 I don't have time to look into everything. 809 00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:43,580 I don't know what I'm talking about. 810 00:41:43,580 --> 00:41:44,580 I know. 811 00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:46,660 We have such a curious mind. 812 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:50,780 We say the questions we had and say, I'm too lazy. 813 00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:52,420 I can't just gloss over that. 814 00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:53,420 I have to tell you. 815 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,780 She also has a moth named after her. 816 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:00,940 The Mother Shipton moth seemingly bears a profile of a Higgs head on each wing. 817 00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:03,700 Very special to have a moth named after you. 818 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:10,580 A fundraising campaign was started in 2013 to raise 35,000 pounds to erect a statue of 819 00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:12,780 Mother Shipton in Narsborough. 820 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:17,220 Completed in August 2017, the statue sits on a bench in the town's Market Square, close 821 00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:22,500 to the statue of John Metcalfe, who knows who that is, an 18th century road engineer 822 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:23,820 known as Blind Jack. 823 00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:24,820 There you go. 824 00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:26,820 It was in there. 825 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:27,820 Lucky me. 826 00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:30,460 Let's also not forget Mother Shipton's cave. 827 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:32,140 There's also a statue in her cave. 828 00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:37,220 So if you really wanted to go around York, you can make a whole day of visiting all the 829 00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:45,020 Mother Shipton things, which might be fun, but that's Mother Shipton and her legacy. 830 00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:48,740 Speechless, I know. 831 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:49,740 Yes. 832 00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:53,780 I finally done it. 833 00:42:53,780 --> 00:43:00,460 I always like when we end an episode off with, by the way, this person might not actually 834 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:01,460 have ever existed. 835 00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:02,460 Yeah. 836 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:04,700 As it happens fairly often. 837 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,700 There's a good chance they didn't exist. 838 00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,500 As it happens fairly often when I go, you know what? 839 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:10,700 I'm finally going to do it. 840 00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:15,180 I'm going to look into this for a topic because I've heard so much about this person, but 841 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:16,660 it's just been like here and there. 842 00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:17,700 I don't know much. 843 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,660 And then I look into it and I'm like, hmm. 844 00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:22,580 That left me rather disappointed. 845 00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:23,580 That's kind of underwhelming. 846 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:24,580 Yeah. 847 00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:30,080 So I learned a lot of history about England, which is just like a few sporadic random history 848 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,140 facts that won't really stick in my head or give me any actual knowledge of anything. 849 00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:42,580 And then I was left kind of unfulfilled, but I couldn't not tell the story because what 850 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:47,100 if somebody else out there wanted to know about Mother Shipton and they rely on us for 851 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,780 this information. 852 00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:51,340 And now I've done my due diligence, I guess. 853 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:52,340 Yeah. 854 00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:55,460 And we did cover it and they say, I guess it's just a definitely interesting person 855 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:56,460 that existed. 856 00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:57,460 I'll move on with that one. 857 00:43:57,460 --> 00:43:58,460 Journey to the fringe won't even touch. 858 00:43:58,460 --> 00:43:59,460 Shame on them. 859 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:00,460 Yeah, because it's too interesting. 860 00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:01,460 Well, shit. 861 00:44:01,460 --> 00:44:11,860 Journey to the fringe, we damper down expectations. 862 00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:14,540 Interesting or not, we will cover it. 863 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:16,140 And we will make it uninteresting. 864 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:21,180 Took us so long to get to that mission statement. 865 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,700 Almost over 100 episodes. 866 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:24,700 Yeah. 867 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:29,260 So that's where we're leaving that. 868 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:30,260 Yeah. 869 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:35,740 And I do, I am curious now that we have talked about it and we might touch it again in the 870 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:38,060 future about that whole rhyming thing. 871 00:44:38,060 --> 00:44:41,820 Was that just like how you made things sound more like official, they're mystics? 872 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:43,380 And why did that come about? 873 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:49,940 Yeah, I guess we'll have to leave that for another episode unless we need to show this 874 00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:52,860 and you want to hear us talk about what we know. 875 00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:55,100 We have lots of time. 876 00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,020 No, we can edit here. 877 00:44:58,020 --> 00:45:02,660 Chelsea, thank you very much for mothership. 878 00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:03,660 What a story. 879 00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:05,380 Yes, the original mother. 880 00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:09,220 That's what she is known for. 881 00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:11,340 Anyhow I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 882 00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:12,860 We are Journey to the Fringe. 883 00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:13,860 Thank you all for listening. 884 00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:16,820 We'll see you next week. 885 00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:19,140 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 886 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:25,420 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe or follow depending 887 00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:28,500 on what venue you are listening to us through. 888 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:34,620 Also please if possible leave a five star review as that 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