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I might be a bit late on this one, just a tad, but it's still very important information that I feel like I must impart on the audience.

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I have continued following the birds aren't real saga because it really compelled me.

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I hate birds and I always knew that they're up to something.

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So I'm going to read for you an email from the birds aren't real guys they sent me.

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And I just wanted to share it with everybody because it affects us all.

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This email is entitled the CIA killed Santa.

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I'm just going to go through it.

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It's coming from a reasonable point of view to begin with.

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That's what I like.

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Starts grounded.

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Does beautiful graphics on this by the way.

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And it says why Christmas is so problematic brought to you by birds aren't real.

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I'm just going to explain the whole picture to you.

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So we have a US Air Force airplane flying over a hill with a markers on it.

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The crosses say Cupid Dasher Rudolph vixen comet.

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Right.

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This is about Christmas if you didn't gather that.

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So that's why I said it's a bit late.

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So it says the US government has killed reindeer and the government dropped poisonous toxins

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to kill the real birds for drone replacement.

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They accidentally killed Santa's reindeer in the process.

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Santa is the local nickname for a man named Chris Kringle from Montana in the 60s.

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Santa was not happy about this demanded answers and spread the word throughout the town about

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those mystery toxins from the sky.

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And there's a picture of Santa with rosy cheeks looking upset.

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Santa was real and he was assassinated by the US government is the next title.

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So the government refused to have their secrets built.

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Christopher Kringle was a real man who was disappeared by the deep state after they heard

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he was running his mouth.

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They shipped him off to Guantanamo Bay where he was burned at the stake simply for asking

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questions.

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He was one of the first bird truthers.

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Christmas is a scum garbage holiday and it gets worse.

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12 days of Christmas is a government brainwashing song.

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In the song half the days are about birds no one has ever seen.

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Turtle doves, partridges, French hens, etc.

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What do these have to do with Christmas?

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Why do we carol so blindly?

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Christmas makes you dumb.

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Christmas was introduced to the public as a way of lowering the collective IQ so that

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bird robots would be accepted easier.

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So then there's a nice infographic chart showing the year that Christmas was introduced.

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So the 1950s, 1960s.

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That was the year Christmas was introduced.

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There's a peak in intelligence in between 1960 and 70.

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And so then Christmas really takes off and you see it just plummet now.

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And that that's intelligence.

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It's down.

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Next heading.

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Think about it.

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It makes sense.

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Sitting around a pine tree in our house eating candy out of socks that we nailed to our fireplace

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talking about a man in our chimney saying nonsense like ho ho ho and fa la la la la.

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What does that even mean?

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They want your brain soft.

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There's a picture of carolers there and there's an arrow pointing at them that says in any

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other context this behavior would have you institutionalized.

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It's a fair point.

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So all in all, this information is sponsored by Coca-Cola.

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Coca-Cola official beverage of Birds aren't real.

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And then you can go to their website to buy some activism gear.

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But not Coca-Cola.

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No, not Coca-Cola.

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No, you have to go to Santa to get the Coca-Cola because he sells it.

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Exactly.

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He does sell it.

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He's the number one supplier of Coca-Cola.

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And that's the very belated update that I have for you today.

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Well with that, I think you should all go look at burns aren't real dot com.

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Right.

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Yes.

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And sign up for their newsletters.

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Sign up for their newsletter because apparently it has some great information like that.

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Has really great information.

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And we should get on with the episode.

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Okay, let's do it.

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From the unexplained to the mundane.

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Come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe.

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When life or podcasters offer you fringe, you tell them perhaps.

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We are your perhaps accepting host, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today we are here celebrating the Lunar New Year that is celebrated by a large chunk

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of the world.

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Now we are going to celebrate it in a strange way.

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We are going to be looking at the moon and all that it offers to us in very strange ways.

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More so what people are talking about about the moon than the actual moon itself.

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The moon's great.

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And I think I should just start out with a few stats that you might not know about the

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So how do you calculate a lunar new year?

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Well it is the second new moon after the winter solstice.

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I think that's pretty straightforward, right?

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Why second?

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No idea, but that's how they do it.

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That's weird, but okay.

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I accept it.

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That's how it works.

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A few more things that just generally you might want to know about the moon.

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These are the strange facts about it.

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It is the second densest satellite in the solar system behind only Jupiter's moon Io.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah, if you took a tablespoon of the moon and the tablespoon of all the other moons,

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the moon would be the second densest.

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You might have noticed this about the moon, but just so that we all know it, the moon

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is tidally locked to the earth so that the same face is always constantly facing the

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earth so that you will never see the moon looking different in the sky other than being

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partially darkened.

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This does actually lead to some weird theories about the moon, but those will come up later.

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It's actually very common for things to be tidally locked around other things, particularly

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when we're looking at other planets and far away solar system.

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One thing I found weird is that the moon is actually not as bright as you think it would

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be.

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It's about the color of an old asphalt road.

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It just looks very bright because it is reflecting the sun off of it.

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That's weird, like a grayish color?

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Yeah, yeah, like a mid to dark gray.

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And this just has to be said because there might be people out there and it'll come up

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later again.

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The sun and the moon are not the same size.

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The moon is about 400 times smaller than the sun.

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However, the sun is about 400 times further away from the earth than the moon is.

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Therefore, when they cross in the sky, they seem to be about the same size.

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I'm sorry, do people really think that they just...

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We're going to talk about that later.

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Like the earth is bigger than the moon, right?

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The earth is bigger than the moon.

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It's not coming up.

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And then people think that the sun was smaller than the earth.

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We're not going to talk about that because this is a moon episode.

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The moon is slowly drifting away from the earth.

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It moves away from the earth about 3.8 centimeters per year.

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And in fact, we live in a unique time in our orbit because it's only because of the time

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that we exist in that we actually witness solar eclipses.

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Had our species existed several million years in the future, eclipses might not actually

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be a thing because they won't have the same ratio of size to distance, fortunately.

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So the moon won't fully cover the sun if it were to cross it.

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Weird.

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And of course, way in the past several billion years or a billion years, the moon would not

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form a perfect eclipse.

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It would just fully cover the sun and you wouldn't get the corona around it.

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That's so weird.

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You live at the perfect time, that means.

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The earth is affected by the moon in several ways, not just tides.

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Tides are very much so a part of the moon orbiting around the earth, but there's also

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little movements of the earth that occur, not just water when the moon is orbiting around.

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Well, it also affects people, I think.

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I can definitely tell when talking to someone that it's a form of eclipses.

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That's actually not going to come up in this episode just because it's common, like astrology,

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believing people say that, but I couldn't find any evidence behind it.

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Or crazy people willing to explain their theories other than full moons make people crazy.

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Well, you know what?

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I should start making charts of how many crazy people I talk to in a day and then where the

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moon is.

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And I know people who work at hospitals and stuff like that say the same thing, but then

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again, I don't know any scientific studies that have taken people up on that.

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I would also like to hear about the retrograde things as well.

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If you're willing to keep a chart on that, I would actually really be curious about it.

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I would love to, but let's be honest, I will forget about this conversation.

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Like the earth, the moon also experiences earthquakes.

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However, on the moon, they're called moonquakes.

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They're much smaller than the earth's.

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However, they can still happen and they can last up to half an hour.

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And there is water on the moon.

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This is in the form of ice trapped within dust and minerals on and under the surface.

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It has been detected on areas of the lunar surface that are a permanent shadow and are

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therefore very cold and even the ice to survive.

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The water on the moon was likely delivered to the surface by comets.

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That's interesting.

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And I just need to go back to the earthquakes for a second.

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Does the moon have tectonic plates?

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I believe so.

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Caused by gravitational influence.

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Unlike quakes on the earth that last only a few minutes, it doesn't say on this.

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I just wanted to say there are moonquakes.

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I don't know what causes them.

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I'm not sure if they have tectonic plates or not.

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It could be Mongolian death worms.

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It could be.

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Or what are the ones in Beetlejuice called?

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Sand worms?

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Sand worms?

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The ones in tremors, which I can't remember.

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Are those sand worms too?

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Oh, what are those called?

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They're not called tremors.

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They might be called tremors.

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That's all I had to say.

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But those are like my main things that I need to talk about.

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A couple more I just wanted to say.

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These are not from stats or anything.

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They're just things that I remember from the past.

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And I've learned and I feel like aren't common knowledge that we should talk about.

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If a moon has a moon orbiting around it, that is very theoretically possible.

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Do you know what it's called?

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Moon squared.

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A moon moon, in fact.

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And if it had a moon, it would be called a moon moon moon.

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That is scientific reasoning behind that.

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And when you're seeing the moon in the sky, it can appear any time of the day.

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Surprisingly, even I know when you see it during the day.

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When you see its shadow, it is not the earth's shadow reflecting off of it or on the moon.

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It is simply telling you where the sun is in reference to the moon.

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And the shady part is the furthest away from the sun.

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Oh, I always thought it was the earth.

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It's a good one.

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Yeah, I know.

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That threw me off too.

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That's literally all you're seeing.

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If you see only a sliver of the moon, then that means the sun is really far away on the

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opposite side.

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Because there is in fact no dark side of the moon.

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There is only the far side of the moon that ever sees us.

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Because it gets sun all the friggin time.

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Oh, light side of the moon.

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But with that, we're going to get into the weird stuff.

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And we're going to start with, of course, the theory that for a short time, the moon

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was inhabited by bat people.

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Not related to Batman, of course, just people that were part bat.

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What about Bat Boy?

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They might have been related to Bat Boy.

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I didn't read enough on it in the Weekly World News back in the day.

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But in August of 1835, the most widely read newspaper in the world reported that there

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were man bats living on the moon.

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The New York Sun told of bat-winged copper-haired humanoids who were four feet tall, very intelligent,

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and lived in pyramids.

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The newspaper claimed source, the work and findings of John Herschel, a real and respected

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astronomer, who had seen these bats from his seven-ton telescope he had transported from

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England to South Africa.

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This was not true in any way, but it didn't stop people from freaking out and including

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a committee of Yale scientists who went in search of Herschel's research to learn more

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themselves to see if this was correct.

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It took a full month before the New York Sun admitted it was a hoax, and it tended to be

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satire and a comment on science relationship to religion.

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This was dubbed the Great Moon Hoax, and it actually increased the newspaper's circulation.

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The Great Moon Hoax.

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Not the regular moon hoax.

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I couldn't find the regular moon hoax.

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The greatest moon hoax of all time.

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I always love thinking of these places of things that they're like, man, we just gotta

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come up with a plan because otherwise we're all fired.

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And the guy being like, I know, it'll be the greatest moon hoax of all time.

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I always think of that with like the fart toys that are out there for kids, and it's

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like, we gotta come up with a new toy for Christmas or we're all fucked.

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We're not gonna get our bonuses.

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We're gonna be out in the streets, our families are gonna be like so pissed at us.

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It's like, I got it.

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The fart machine.

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The same thing in my mind.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Things that are gonna save the day.

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That is constantly what the marketing or directions team's meetings are like.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Constantly on the verge of being fired.

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What do you guys actually do?

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Fuck, we gotta come up with something.

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That's actually in my mind, how the immune system's meetings look when they come up with

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allergies.

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Like, your immune system is sitting there saying, fuck, what do we actually do around

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here?

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We live in like a sterile environment.

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I know, that fucking corn.

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No, that's actually terrible for the body.

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That's the thing.

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We're gonna fight it.

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We don't need to be fired.

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That is the same thing.

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It's like the greatest moon hoax of all time.

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Fucking peanuts.

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Everywhere dangerous, they kill us, we gotta stop them.

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Must be stopped with that fucking moon.

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There's bats on it.

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Yeah, which leads us, of course, to why would people actually go to the moon?

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We apparently did in the 1960s, but there's bats there, so who would actually want to

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go there?

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Actually, about 5% of the American population thinks that the moon landing was a hoax.

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All of them, I guess.

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Because I don't know why you would think the first one was a hoax and not the next, but

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I've never actually seen it worded as, do you believe we've never been to the moon?

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Just the moon landing was a hoax.

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Yeah.

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There's bats there, so that's the greatest moon information of all time.

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This takes back to the 1970s.

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It kind of goes right when it happened in ways we're gonna talk about.

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The real big push for the moon landing was a hoax kind of comes up in the 1970s.

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An early and influential book about the subject of a moon landing conspiracy was called We

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Never Went to the Moon, colon, America's $30 billion swindle.

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It was self-published by Bill Kasing, a former US Navy officer with a Bachelor of Arts in

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English.

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This comes from Wikipedia, so they're really foreshadowing here.

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Despite having no knowledge of rockets or technical writing, Kasing was hired as a senior

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technical writer in 1956 by Rocketdyne, the company that built the F-1 engines used for

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the Saturn V rocket.

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He served as head of the technical publications unit at the company's propulsion field laboratory

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until 1963.

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The many allegations in Kasing's book effectively began discussion of the moon landing being

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faked.

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Kasing claims that the chance of a successful crewed landing on the moon was calculated

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at 0.0017% and that despite close monitoring by the USSR, it would have been easier for

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NASA to fake the moon landing than to really go there.

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That's kind of the big part of the USSR thing, because they've been in space for a long

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time.

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And in 1980 the Flat Earth Society accused NASA of faking the landing, arguing that they

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were staged by Hollywood with Walt Disney sponsorship based on a script by Arthur C.

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Clarke and directed by Stanley Kubrick.

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Kubrick always comes up with the moon landing.

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Folklorist Linda Daig suggested that writer-director Peter Hyams filmed Capricorn 1, which shows

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a hoax journey to Mars in a spacecraft that looks identical to a Palo craft, which have

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given a boost to the hoax's theories' popularity in the post-Vietnam era.

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Daig sees a parallel with other attitudes during the post-Watergate era, when the American

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public were inclined to distrust official accounts.

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Daig writes, quote, the mass media catapult leads half-truths into a kind twilight zone

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where people can make their guesses sound as truths.

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Mass media has a terrible impact on people who lack guidance.

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And in A Man on the Moon, first published in 1994, Andrew Chaykin mentions that at the

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time of Apollo 8's lunar orbit mission in 1968, similar conspiracy ideas were already

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in circulation.

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So these have been going on for a long time.

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There's a lot of different reasons why it was hoax, but most people point to a few things

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that they show that it's hoax.

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And we're going to go over those.

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So first off, it's the photographic and film oddities that people see.

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So they brought back film and video.

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So of course there's problems with that.

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And we're not going to go over the myth busting on it.

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In fact, there's an episode of the Mythbusters going over most of these that I think is actually

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great.

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Yeah, I've seen it.

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One is that the crosshairs that are on the film are sometimes rotated or in the wrong

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place.

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The quality of the photographs is implausibly high.

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There are no stars in any of the photos.

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The Apollo 11 astronauts also stated in post mission press conferences that they did not

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remember seeing any stars during extravehicular activity.

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Conspiracists contend that NASA chose not to put the stars into the photos because astronomers

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would have been able to use them to determine whether the photos were taken from Earth or

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the Moon by means of identifying them and comparing their celestial positions and parallax

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to what would be expected for either observation site.

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The angle and color of shadows are inconsistent.

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This suggests that artificial lights were used.

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Their identical backgrounds and photos, which according to their captions were taken miles

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apart, that this suggests that a painted background was used.

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The numbers of photos taken is implausibly high, up to one per 50 seconds.

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The photos taken contain artifacts like the seemingly matching seas.

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There's a rock that apparently has a sea on it and people believe, oh, this is clearly

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a prop because it has lettering on it so they are supposed to put the sea rock in the sea

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location.

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Yeah.

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And a resident of Perth, Western Australia, a woman named Yuna Ronald said that for two

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or three seconds in the original broadcast of the moon landing, she saw a Coca-Cola bottle

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roll across the lower right quadrant of her television screen that was displaying the

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live broadcast of Apollo 11.

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She also said that several letters appeared in the Western Australia discussing the incident

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within 10 days of the lunar landing.

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I find that one hilarious and a lot closer to the Mandela effect than any other.

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I was just going to say, is this the Mandela effect?

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Yeah, no.

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There appears to be hot spots in some photos that look like a large spotlight was used

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in place of the sun.

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Next up, who filmed Neil Armstrong stepping onto the moon?

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Nobody knows.

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Of course, all of those are actually very easily answered, except of course that one

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where she claims to have seen a Coke bottle, which the answer is no, you didn't.

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But that's really hard to argue.

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So and especially if there's only one person that's come forward saying, yeah, literally

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no one else.

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People also contend this is outside.

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This is the environmental issues of going to the moon.

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Astronauts could not survive the trip because of exposure to radiation in the event Alan

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radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation, which is just in space.

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It's a highly radioactive area that some people believe would just straight up kill

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humans while they're going through it.

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Some conspiracists have suggested that starfish prime, a high altitude nuclear test, formed

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another intense layer of the Vanilla belt to making it even harder to get through this.

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Also, even if humans get through it, how could film in cameras or video cameras come back

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without being fogged or severely damaged through radiation?

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Conspiracists say that the moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that cameras

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could not film without being melted.

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The Apollo 16 crew could not have survived a big solar flare that fired out that could

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have fired out when they were on their way to the moon, which no solar flare is actually

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fired out at that time.

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So don't worry about that.

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And that the flag placed on the surface by the astronauts fluttered despite there being

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no wind on the moon.

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This suggests that it was filmed on earth and a breeze caused the flag flutter.

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This would have been caused by indoor fans used to cool the astronauts since their spacesuits

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cooling systems would have been too heavy on earth.

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They also believe there were mechanical issues just with the entire space exploration itself.

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The lunar module made no blast crater or any signs of dust scatter on its landing and therefore

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didn't actually land on the moon.

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They also say there are problems with the recordings.

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There should have been more than a two second delay in communications between earth and

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the moon at a distance of 400,000 kilometers.

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And you don't hear that in any of the recordings.

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Of course, those have been edited to make them very easy to listen to as opposed to

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waiting over two seconds between hearing what they said.

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And this one's actually true.

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There is much missing data attached to the original moon landing, including audio and

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video recordings, as well as missing original blueprints.

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Nobody does know what happened to those.

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It's kind of just like it's over 60 years old and they ran into a storage problem.

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So they just got lost.

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That one's obviously aliens, not that they faked it.

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And of course, deaths of NASA personnel.

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In a televised program about the moon landing hoax allegations, Fox Entertainment Group

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listed the deaths of 10 astronauts and two civilians related to the crewed spaceflight

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program as part of an alleged cover up.

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It's hilarious that they're saying that this is to cover up the conspiracy because there's

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like 40,000 people involved in every step of the actual creation of the rockets to get

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to the moon and getting to the moon.

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And they only had to kill 10 to keep it a secret.

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Those are the most important secret keepers.

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Yeah.

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And then this is the story behind the Stanley Kubrick involvement.

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So Stanley Kubrick is accused of having produced much of the footage for Apollo 11 and 12.

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Part of this is because he had just directed 2001, a space Odyssey, which is partly set

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on the moon and featured advanced special effects.

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It was claimed that when 2001 was in post-production in early 1968, NASA secretly approached Kubrick

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to direct the first three moon landings.

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The launches flashdown would be real, but the spacecraft would stay in earth orbit and

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fake footage broadcast as live from the moon.

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No evidence was offered for this theory, which overlooks many facts.

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For example, 2001 was released before the first Apollo landing and Kubrick's depiction

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of the moon's surface differs greatly from its appearance in the Apollo footage.

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The movement of characters on the moon in 2001 differs from that of the filmed movement

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of Apollo astronauts.

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It does not resemble an environment with one sixth the gravity of earth.

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Several seasons in 2001 showed dust billowing at spacecrafts landed, something that would

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not happen in the vacuum environment of the moon.

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Kubrick did hire Frederick Ordway and Harry Lange, both of whom had worked for NASA and

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major aerospace contractor to work with him on 2001.

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Kubrick also used some 50 millimeter F slash point seven lenses that were left over from

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a batch made by Zeiss for NASA.

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However, Kubrick only got his lens from Barry Linden in 1975 and the lens was originally

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a still photo lens and needed changes to be used for motion filming.

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In December of 2005, a video surface which allegedly shows Kubrick being interviewed

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shortly before his death in 1999.

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The video purportedly shows the director confessing to T Patrick Murray that the Apollo moon landing

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was faked and research quickly found, however, that the video was a hoax.

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So that's like all the ideas behind it.

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Why do people think it was faked?

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There's a whole bunch of reasons.

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One of them being that because they ran into the dome above the earth, that's the flat

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earth theory and they need to just placate people and make them believe that that's not

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what happened.

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That's pretty time.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The other one was the space race.

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I think we've talked about this before.

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The Americans for a long time were objectively absolutely being annihilated in the space race.

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USSR was the first one into space.

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They got the first dog in the space, the most important claim.

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They got the first human in space, Yuri Gagarin.

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They still are the only ones to ever send a probe to Venus.

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They did a ton of things and the US arbitrarily decided, you know what really wins a space

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race?

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Putting a human on the moon and then did that and then said they won.

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And then they said space race over.

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I guess that's what happened.

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But that's one of the motivations for faking the space race because they were so objectively

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losing the space race.

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They needed a win somewhere.

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The other reason is because NASA was just created not that long ago.

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It had to justify its own existence and exhort and budget.

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So they said, hey, why don't we fake a moon landing so that we can just keep getting these

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billions of raking it in?

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Yeah, why not?

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And then of course the landing happened during the height of the Vietnam War.

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So they just say the US needed a win.

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And what better way than getting some man on the moon?

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So all those are some of the reasons that you hear as to why they faked it.

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Of course, not going with the one where they hit the dome and didn't know what to do.

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So they faked going past the dome.

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00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:42,380
The dome being the dome over the flat earth.

483
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:43,380
Of course.

484
00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:47,100
And yeah, everybody had heard these stories before.

485
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:48,860
NASA's heard them a thousand times.

486
00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:55,020
And in 2002, NASA actually gave James Oberg, I've never heard of him before, but they gave

487
00:24:55,020 --> 00:25:00,700
him $15,000 in a grant to write a point by point rebuttal of the hoax claim.

488
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:06,300
And then they realized that, wait, if there's an officially NASA sanctioned rebuttal to the

489
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:11,320
conspiracy theories that might actually just encourage more people to believe the conspiracy

490
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,320
theory.

491
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:18,420
So they promptly canceled that idea, which I find hilarious.

492
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:23,500
So wait, you're just going to like let these crazy people's ideas be like justified and

493
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,020
actually have to respond to them?

494
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,020
Yeah.

495
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:27,020
Yeah.

496
00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:28,020
You know what?

497
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:29,020
Nevermind.

498
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:30,020
We're not going to do that.

499
00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:33,460
Next up, Chelsea, did you know there are Nazis on the moon?

500
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:36,340
By moon, do you mean South America?

501
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:37,900
I do not mean South America.

502
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:43,460
I in fact mean, and I'm not talking about the great movie Iron Sky, which alleges a

503
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:46,260
science fiction future where Nazis are on the moon.

504
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:53,300
No, I am in fact talking about a book by Vladimir Trzyski, which alleges actual Nazis movement

505
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,380
to the moon.

506
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:57,340
I've never heard of this, no, but slightly intrigued.

507
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:58,340
Is it true?

508
00:25:58,340 --> 00:25:59,340
Okay.

509
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:02,980
Well, this comes from a book called Close Encounters of the Kugelblitz kind.

510
00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:03,980
Okay.

511
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:07,740
It's by Vladimir Trzyski, it's written in the nineties and I'm just going to read an excerpt

512
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:08,740
from it.

513
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:12,700
The Germans landed on the moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exo

514
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:17,040
atmosphere rocket saucers of the Meath and Shriver type.

515
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,540
The Meath rocket craft was built in diameters of 15 and 50 meters and the Shriver Walter

516
00:26:22,540 --> 00:26:27,500
Turbine power craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle.

517
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:32,980
It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10 stories of crew compartments and stood 45 meters high.

518
00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:36,900
Ever since the first days of landing on the moon, the Germans started boring and tunneling

519
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:37,900
under the surface.

520
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,700
And by the end of the war, there was a small Nazi research base on the moon.

521
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:47,540
The free energy Tachyon Drive craft of the Honey Boo 1 and 2 type were used after 1944

522
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:52,140
to haul people, quote, material and the first robots to the construction sites on the moon,

523
00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:53,140
end quote.

524
00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:57,220
When Russians and Americans secretly landed jointly on the moon in the early fifties with

525
00:26:57,220 --> 00:27:01,660
their own saucers, they spent their first night there as the guests of, quote, the Nazi

526
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,660
underground base.

527
00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:07,940
According to the authors of the underground German documentary movie from the Thule Society,

528
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:12,740
the only produced craft of the Honey Boo 3 type, the 74 meter diameter naval warfare

529
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:17,620
dread knight was chosen for the most courageous mission of this whole century, the trip to

530
00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:18,660
Mars.

531
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:23,320
The craft was of saucer shape, had the bigger andromeda Tachyon drives and was armed with

532
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,320
four triple gun turrets of large naval caliber.

533
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,060
A volunteer suicide crew of Germans and Japanese was chosen because everybody knew that this

534
00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:33,920
journey was a one way journey with no return.

535
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,340
The large intensity of the electromagnetic gravitic fields and inferior quality of the

536
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:44,460
metallic alloys used then for the structure elements of the drive was causing the metal

537
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:48,660
to fatigue and get very brittle only after a few months of work of the drive.

538
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:53,780
The flight to Mars departed from Germany one month before the war ended in April of 1945.

539
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:57,720
The radio messages with the mixed news was received by the German underground space control

540
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,380
center in New Schwabeland and by their research base on the moon.

541
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:02,940
So on Mars and on the moon.

542
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:04,300
And the moon, yeah.

543
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,880
And this is going to tie in a bit to old episodes that we did.

544
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,620
This is just a critique of who this Vladimir Trzyski is.

545
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,940
I just need to find what book this came from.

546
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:15,900
I believe it's Nazi UFO myths.

547
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,420
Yeah, Nazi UFO myths by Kevin McClure.

548
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:19,420
He wrote this.

549
00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:23,580
One of the few references that I haven't managed to find before writing this piece is a book

550
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:29,060
probably from 1993 called Close Encounters of the Kugelblitz Kind by Vladimir Trzyski.

551
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:34,660
Trzyski first appeared in or around that year claiming to be the quote, president of American

552
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:36,980
Academy of Dissident Sciences.

553
00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:40,820
When I wrote to the academy asking for further information, my letter was returned.

554
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:43,100
The academy not being known at the address.

555
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:48,460
He also claims that he is a Bulgarian born engineer and physicist, graduated cum laude

556
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:53,340
from the masters of science program of Tokai University in Tokyo in 1980.

557
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:57,740
He was hired as a solar energy researcher in Bulgarian Academy of Sciences before immigrating

558
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,580
to the US in 1984.

559
00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:05,780
Trzyski seems with a little help from Al Bielik of the Completely Loopy Montauk Project, who

560
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:11,540
was co-founder of the academy to have introduced a completely new strand of Nazi UFO material.

561
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:12,540
Well that does it.

562
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:16,700
It also appears in one of the series of the Montauk Project books.

563
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:21,820
It is so outrageously unbelievable, implausible, and devoid of supporting evidence that it

564
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:27,740
has proved to be very popular among those who believe in all Illuminati conspiracies,

565
00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:32,300
the New World Order, and the links between our rulers and the reptilian aliens.

566
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:37,300
The last trace I found of Trzyski is as a speaker at a patriot meeting in 1998, but

567
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:44,020
is influenced on creating an alternative revised history in which Nazis won the end.

568
00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:46,100
I was buying it until you said Al Bielik.

569
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:47,580
No, I love that part.

570
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:52,300
By the way, not the last reference from previous episodes that we've done.

571
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:53,980
You just wait until we get to the end.

572
00:29:53,980 --> 00:29:54,980
You know what?

573
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:59,500
As we go on, you get more and more references to all these people we've seen in other episodes.

574
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:00,500
Yeah.

575
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,500
You didn't see before.

576
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,100
It's like they're all in one big puzzle piece that connect all together.

577
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,380
It's weird.

578
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:07,380
I did like this.

579
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:09,740
This comes from thesun.co.uk.

580
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:13,380
It's an article from an author by the name of Douglas MacKinnon who wrote the book The

581
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:15,740
Dawn of a Nazi Moon, Book 1.

582
00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:20,940
Or I think there's more from there, but the first one is called Book 1.

583
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:22,340
You know, reputable source.

584
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:24,220
He somewhat corroborates this.

585
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:27,840
Douglas MacKinnon worked for the Pentagon and had conversations with Soviet generals.

586
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,140
As Russian troops closed in on Nazi Germany's top secret, Pionimund rocket base, one of

587
00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:37,380
the Russian Army's forward observers' team reported seeing the flames of several large

588
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:42,060
rockets, multiple sizes larger than the V-2, lift off from the base into the darkness of

589
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:43,340
rain of that evening.

590
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:47,340
The Soviet generals then said, to the best of their knowledge, those rockets never came

591
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:49,100
back down anywhere on earth.

592
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,300
He closed with, to this day, I have always wondered who was in those rockets and how

593
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:54,300
many.

594
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:58,700
Soon after becoming privy to that conversation, I went back to my office, made notes that

595
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,700
I had absolutely no idea what to do with.

596
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,660
The reported remarks from the general being so fantastical and incredulous that there

597
00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:08,900
was really nothing anyone could do with them unless they wanted to end their government

598
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:10,540
career instantaneously.

599
00:31:10,540 --> 00:31:14,740
As I truly enjoyed my job at the time, I put the notebook in the bottom of one of my desk

600
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:15,740
drawers.

601
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:19,900
When I left the Pentagon in early 1993, the notebook was transferred to a box, which subsequently

602
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,920
moved from one home to the next until two years ago when I opened it to look through

603
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520
it before discarding the contents of the trash.

604
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240
It was then that I came upon the long forgotten notebook.

605
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,900
During the time I made those notes in 1990, and then afterwards, I had worked space related

606
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,800
issues for the White House, the Pentagon, the United Space Alliance, and NASA.

607
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,700
As I sat on a suitcase in my garage in 2018, rereading the old notebooks, it occurred to

608
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,620
me that there was now a new race back to the moon started.

609
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:49,620
Race between the PRC, the People's Republic of China, Russia, and the United States.

610
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:53,280
As I looked at the notes, I kept thinking, as crazy it sounds, what if?

611
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,700
What if military contingents from Nazi Germany did reach the moon in 1945?

612
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,580
How would they have gotten there with the technology back then?

613
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:02,380
How would they survive upon landing?

614
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:03,700
Nazis thriving on the moon.

615
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,480
This is what he actually wrote about.

616
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,520
It's a what if.

617
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,100
So he heard a few offhanded remarks from Soviet generals and he's like, oh yeah, so the Nazis

618
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,100
got to the moon.

619
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,740
And then he wrote one of those like Tom DeLong novels where it's like alluding to things

620
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:17,980
that he thinks are true.

621
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,960
But there's a few people that have said Nazis on the moon.

622
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,440
They're all kind of crazy.

623
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,860
But you know who's not crazy?

624
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:26,460
The people who talk about the hologram.

625
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:27,860
Because the moon doesn't actually exist.

626
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:29,460
It's a hologram up in the sky.

627
00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:30,820
Like the bat signal?

628
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:32,180
Kind of like the bat signal.

629
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:33,180
Yes.

630
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:34,180
Okay, cool.

631
00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:37,820
And then the most part, these people actually fall into the flat earth category, who actually

632
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:43,340
believe that the moon and the sun are the exact same size in the night sky because,

633
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:44,340
you know, it's a dome.

634
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:48,660
So they have to be the same size because you can't go that far.

635
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:50,460
Okay, that makes sense now.

636
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:51,980
It's very confused.

637
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:56,140
Depending on who you actually talk to within the flat earth society, some of them believe

638
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:59,420
there are, yes, there are actually balls that go through the sky.

639
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:00,740
Some believe it's a hologram up there.

640
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:02,060
It's projected on the dome.

641
00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:06,820
Dave Marsh, an NHS manager from Derbyshire, who came to flat earth belief in November

642
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:11,220
2016, tracked the movement of the moon across the night sky in order to compare his observations

643
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:15,460
to the, quote, official records and see if the movement of the moon matched that of the

644
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:16,900
globalist model.

645
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:21,480
We're not even going to get into who the globalists are because that's a really slanted

646
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,180
way of saying that I'm really distrustful of Jews.

647
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:28,540
So the result of his backyard experiments differed from data he found online, leading

648
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:32,900
him to conclude that, quote, the moon is a projection put there for a reason, which we

649
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,940
could study for a thousand more years and never understand.

650
00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:41,220
And more cautious experiment might look to the accuracy of their equipment before drawing

651
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:43,140
such radical a conclusion.

652
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:45,060
But it's hard not to admire his commitment.

653
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:46,060
That's from the garden.

654
00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:48,580
Because they're strong, passionate words.

655
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:49,580
Yep.

656
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:54,020
So that's the flat earth stuff there.

657
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:59,780
I really actually want to go from here to moon truthers, which has its own sub Reddit,

658
00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:02,740
which unfortunately nobody submitted anything in three years.

659
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:06,700
So it's kind of bad, but there's the moon truthers website.

660
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:11,180
And I need to read this to you because this reads first, I'm going to state it out front,

661
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:14,340
because if you don't state it, not everybody's going to realize it.

662
00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:16,420
This is satire and it is fantastic.

663
00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:17,980
I like a good satire.

664
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:20,960
Welcome to one of the moon truthers official websites.

665
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,740
The moon truthers are people who believe that the moon is in fact not an actual hunk of

666
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:25,980
rock orbiting the earth.

667
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:30,380
And that is merely a light projection being shined by the US government to distract us

668
00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:32,960
from the true secrets in our country.

669
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,060
Keep scrolling to learn more.

670
00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:37,780
If you're interested in becoming a moon truther, please go to our official website below.

671
00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:38,780
It's circular.

672
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:40,900
It keeps sending you between these two websites.

673
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:42,760
It's stupid.

674
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,500
So this is what the moon truthers believe.

675
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,500
The beginning.

676
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:50,380
The night used to be dark, only lit by the few lamps throughout streets in 1953.

677
00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:55,060
People started to notice that the government were doing things a little out of the ordinary.

678
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:59,220
The people of America did not agree with the government turning their backs on the citizens

679
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:00,900
they're supposed to protect and govern.

680
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:05,340
They caused a great rebellion known as the truthers and started to uncover secrets, which

681
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:06,740
made them more mad.

682
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:09,420
The government wanted to continue to rule over brainwashed pets.

683
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:14,140
So they held a fake truth rally and released a certain gas that put them all to sleep while

684
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:18,380
they set up the light in the sky to keep the American people looking up instead of around

685
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:19,380
them.

686
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:22,340
When the people woke up, they believed that the moon had always been there.

687
00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:26,340
Those who weren't affected and knew what happened were either forced to work for the

688
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:28,700
government, imprisoned or even killed.

689
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:34,020
Those who escaped and knew that this all had happened made a group called the Illuminati,

690
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:38,340
named after the word illumination for the light put for the moon.

691
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:40,740
I did not know that about the Illuminati.

692
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:45,740
The Illuminati has shifted from what it once was and the moon truthers have started the

693
00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:47,020
old tradition again.

694
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:51,300
We have escaped imprisonment and death to show you the truth.

695
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,300
And then they have a quick little explanation in relation to the Illuminati.

696
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,660
The Illuminati was originally a group against the government because of the illumination

697
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:00,960
of the government put in the sky.

698
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,740
Since the group has become more of a cult and has even become a partner with the government

699
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:05,940
in certain aspects.

700
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:10,160
The moon truthers are more focused on the original idea of the Illuminati and have branched

701
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,260
off as the way that they do things we don't agree with.

702
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:14,260
We are not rivals.

703
00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:16,260
We are just separate.

704
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:21,140
And yeah, that's moon truthers, which I had to include because it was a fantastic little

705
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:22,140
set here.

706
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:23,140
I do like these truthers.

707
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:26,220
They make us think about the information they put forth.

708
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:27,220
Which is truth.

709
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:28,220
Yeah.

710
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:29,220
Because why wouldn't they?

711
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:31,340
They're called the truthers and the other people are not the Illuminati.

712
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:33,580
They're called the government in fact, which is bad.

713
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:36,020
That's why we trust them.

714
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:37,860
But that's enough about the hologram moon.

715
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:42,060
Let's talk about the physical moon that has nothing inside is in fact hollow.

716
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,880
Now there is a theory that first off, the moon is a celestial body.

717
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,020
It is real, but there's nothing on the inside.

718
00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:52,460
And the inside actually is either a moon base or a city or something.

719
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:56,420
But we don't see all that the moon is because it is hollow on the inside.

720
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:57,420
Yeah.

721
00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:58,420
And that in it doesn't turn.

722
00:36:58,420 --> 00:37:01,220
So it's just full of mysteries on most angles.

723
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:02,220
Yeah.

724
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,220
Except on the side that we can see.

725
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:04,220
Yeah.

726
00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:09,340
But this theory kind of gets hold in the 1960s, 1970s when seismometers were installed on

727
00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:12,260
the moon by the Apollo missions and they recorded moonquakes.

728
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:17,380
The moon was ascribed to ring like a bell during some of these quakes, specifically the shallow

729
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:18,380
ones.

730
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:21,820
The phrase was brought to popular attention in March of 1970 in an article on popular

731
00:37:21,820 --> 00:37:22,820
science.

732
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:27,580
And these are tests where they deliberately push cash loads into the moon, like coming

733
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:28,580
back from the moon.

734
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,420
They said, let's just drop shit and see what happens.

735
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:31,420
And they did.

736
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:36,460
They said the moon rang like a bell on November 20th, 1969, Apollo 12 deliberately crashed

737
00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:39,460
the ascent stage of its lunar module onto the moon's surface.

738
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:44,360
NASA reported that it rang like a bell for almost an hour, leading to arguments that

739
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,300
it must be hollow like a bell.

740
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:47,300
Sounds familiar.

741
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:48,300
I've heard it before.

742
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,740
However, lunar seismology experiments since then have shown that the lunar body has shallow

743
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:57,020
moonquakes that act differently from quakes on earth due to the difference in texture,

744
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:59,380
type and density of the planet strata.

745
00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:03,560
But there's no evidence of any large empty space inside the body.

746
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,140
Now there may be small caves, but that's just a different thing.

747
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:08,140
Yeah.

748
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:09,140
We also have caves.

749
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:10,300
Yes, exactly.

750
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:15,420
And to add to this, like we said, the moon is the second densest moon in the solar system.

751
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:22,400
However, it is only 3.3 grams per cubic meter, whereas the earth is 5.5 grams per cubic meter.

752
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,280
So it is still about 60% of the earth's density.

753
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,980
So it still is not as dense as a planet could be.

754
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:34,120
One explanation for this discrepancy, of course, is that it's hollow.

755
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,940
The other one is that the moon is actually formed from the earth, but it's formed from

756
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:40,780
the crust, which is actually less dense than the inside.

757
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:45,060
Well, it would make more sense for it to be part of the crust than part of the interior

758
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:46,100
of the earth.

759
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,780
Because if you're taken from the inside, you have real problems.

760
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:54,860
Yeah, unless it was just like expelled from a volcano or something and shot out into the

761
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:55,860
atmosphere.

762
00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:00,720
Yeah, of course, all these tests are likely done after the Nazis got there and hollowed

763
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,720
out the inside.

764
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:02,720
Of course.

765
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:03,720
Who's to say?

766
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,100
Who's to say at this point?

767
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,660
And then what did the Nazis do with all this stuff from the inside of the moon?

768
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:09,660
Well, that of course...

769
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:10,660
Oh, they shot it out the far side.

770
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:11,660
Yeah.

771
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:12,660
And now it's the moon moon.

772
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:13,660
Yeah.

773
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:14,660
That's where we get the term moon moon.

774
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:15,660
That doesn't orbit.

775
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:16,660
It just stays behind it.

776
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:20,540
Yes, on the dark side, which is actually the brightest side.

777
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:21,540
The far side.

778
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:22,540
Yes.

779
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:27,600
And then there's some people that think, of course, this hollow moon theory is crazy.

780
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,500
Of course, what we're actually looking at is a spaceship.

781
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:36,600
In 1970, Michael Vassin and Alexander Shcherbakov of the Soviet Academy of Sciences.

782
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,780
Of course, you know you're getting good research when the only place that you can actually

783
00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:43,100
find the research is from Russian scientists.

784
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:47,540
Yeah, I'm noticing that a lot on everything that you're saying.

785
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:51,860
I actually heard a very interesting hypothesis behind it in a book that I was reading.

786
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:56,740
It's called The Utopia of Rules by David Graver that we might talk about at a separate date,

787
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:59,380
but it has nothing to really do with what I just said.

788
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:00,660
So we're going to continue on.

789
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,880
We've talked about somebody who just did research on Russian.

790
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,880
It was David Wilcock.

791
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,880
It was David Wilcock, yes.

792
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Yeah, it was David Wilcock.

793
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,620
He exclusively used Russian sources and I forget who it was, but he's like, hey, I'm

794
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:15,980
an idiot, but stop using the fucking Russians.

795
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:20,620
It's not good.

796
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:23,380
I forget who told him that, but it was hilarious.

797
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:24,380
No, I know.

798
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:26,020
Those are golden episodes.

799
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:29,580
Yeah, if you haven't listened, please go listen to our David Wilcock episodes.

800
00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:30,580
They're great.

801
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:32,580
You're in for the long haul.

802
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:36,580
So these guys advanced the hypothesis that the moon is a spaceship created by unknown

803
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:37,580
beings.

804
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:41,060
The article is entitled Is the Moon a Creation of Alien Intelligence? and was published in

805
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:43,900
Sputnik, the Soviet equivalent of Reader's Digest.

806
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:48,540
The Vastin-Skirbakov hypothesis was reported in the West that same year.

807
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:53,640
Their hypothesis relies heavily on the suggestion that large lunar craters generally assumed

808
00:40:53,640 --> 00:41:00,220
to be formed from meteor impacts are generally too shallow and have flat or even convex bottoms.

809
00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:04,140
So just nice smooth round like they'd look like contact lenses.

810
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:08,740
They hypothesize that small meteors are making cup-shaped depressions in the rocky surface

811
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:13,340
of the moon while the large meteors are drilling through to a rocky layer and hitting an armored

812
00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:14,460
hull underneath.

813
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:19,860
So when you have a meteor hit, you don't actually expect like a smooth, perfect convex layer.

814
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:24,880
You have in the middle a little bit pop back up and you have like a second indentation.

815
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,180
So that's why they're saying it's weird that they're perfectly convex.

816
00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:29,180
Does that make sense?

817
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:30,180
After you explained it.

818
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:31,180
Okay.

819
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:32,640
That's what we see when they hit Earth.

820
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,780
So that's what we expect and they're saying that's what you see in the shallow ones, not

821
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:36,780
the deep ones.

822
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:37,780
Okay.

823
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:38,780
Well, wouldn't it be different on the moon?

824
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:39,780
You would think.

825
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:40,780
With no gravity?

826
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:45,580
The author referenced earlier speculation by astrophysicist Joseph Sklowski, who suggested

827
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:49,100
that the Martian moon Phobos was an artificial satellite in hollow.

828
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,140
This has since been shown not to be the case.

829
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:55,940
Skeptical author Jason Colavito points out that all of their evidence is circumstantial

830
00:41:55,940 --> 00:42:01,260
and that in the 1960s, the atheistic Soviet Union promoted the ancient astronaut concept

831
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:04,580
in an attempt to undermine the West's faith and religion.

832
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:07,660
But that has not stopped people from fully believing this.

833
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:09,700
And I absolutely love this website.

834
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,260
I found it is, shoot, did I close that webpage?

835
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:14,260
Where is it?

836
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:15,260
Yeah, I closed that webpage.

837
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:16,260
That's okay.

838
00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:17,260
I wrote actually down what he said.

839
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:20,780
This was from a guy by the name of Gotzi Waring.

840
00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:23,660
I just have to say that's why you never close a webpage.

841
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:24,660
Yeah.

842
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:25,660
Yeah, exactly.

843
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:26,660
Because you're going to need it eventually.

844
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:27,660
Never close one.

845
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:30,060
Okay, I give to you.

846
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:32,880
And he only believes that NASA is covering up.

847
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,020
The moon is an alien space station.

848
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:40,540
He posted this in 2019, April 15th with the title UFO Exits Door and Moon gets deleted

849
00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:43,140
from NASA image archive after reporting it.

850
00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:49,300
April 2019, UFO sighting news, data discovery 2013, location of discovery, Earth's moon

851
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:50,300
Apollo.

852
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:54,740
I reported finding these two photos in the NASA images atlas back in 2013.

853
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:56,260
But between then and now they got deleted.

854
00:42:56,260 --> 00:43:01,060
It looks as if NASA is using the research I do at this site to help edit out the existence

855
00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:02,060
of aliens.

856
00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:04,400
These photos are much more important than you may think.

857
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,300
The evidence that NASA deleted is not just a UFO, but is also 100% evidence that the

858
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,380
moon is not real, but actually an alien space station.

859
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:13,380
That's right.

860
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:14,540
The moon surface appears real.

861
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:18,880
But as you see, the surface can open up huge doors that allow ships to exit and enter at

862
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,040
any given time.

863
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,500
How do you think that the public would react if they knew that the moon was not real, but

864
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:27,460
an alien space station with its surface covered with debris to make it look like a moon?

865
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:31,740
The public would panic, chaos wouldn't sue, and the world's government would be in turmoil.

866
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:35,780
All from two little photos, but they stopped all that from ever happening with a single

867
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,520
stroke of a delete key.

868
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,860
That's why NASA exists to control what the public knows.

869
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:43,140
It's got to be wearing.

870
00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:47,300
NASA has responded to these in the past, and they're saying that people that claim they

871
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,860
see objects on the moon are simply seeing mind tricks or psychological phenomenon called

872
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:57,140
pareidola, which is simply like people seeing things that they're familiar with in patterns,

873
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:59,540
like you know, seeing Jesus on a piece of toast.

874
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:01,820
Or like seeing shapes of the clouds.

875
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:03,820
Yeah, or a face on the Mars.

876
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:06,020
Yeah, yeah, it's famous.

877
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:10,340
But like one of the things that they're saying, like why they think it's a space station too,

878
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,340
is because of the perfect solar eclipse that the moon creates.

879
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:15,780
Like why else would it do that?

880
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,620
Again, it is weird that it is a coincidence that this happens, but people use it to go

881
00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:21,260
a little further than that.

882
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:23,180
Some people also say that this is ridiculous.

883
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:24,180
It's not hollow.

884
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:27,700
It's not a space station that has an inside with space stuff.

885
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:31,340
It's simply that there are bases on the far side of the moon.

886
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:35,740
Some claim an ancient alien civilization has made it their home away from the prying eyes

887
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:40,500
of humanity, which if you wanted a place that's close to Earth and we can't communicate about,

888
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,180
the far side of the moon makes a lot of sense because it's blocked out if you're on the

889
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:45,620
other side looking at it.

890
00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:48,860
You can't communicate with Earth because it's on the far side.

891
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:49,860
Yeah.

892
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:50,860
It's blocked.

893
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:54,700
But many think the truth is far more connected to mankind, a secret lunar base set up by

894
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,340
one of Earth's superpowers.

895
00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:00,380
Some claim the Nazis managed to colonize and set up a base on the moon, while others insist

896
00:45:00,380 --> 00:45:03,480
the US is the one who has a huge complex on the far side.

897
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,700
There are wild claims that Adolf Hitler landed men on the moon back in 1942 and a Bulgarian

898
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:13,380
researcher by the name of Vladimir Trzyski, who has already come up in this episode, claims

899
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,700
he has evidence to prove the bizarre theory.

900
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,340
He's the one who said that the Nazis got there in the 40s.

901
00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:19,340
I remember that.

902
00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:22,140
Does David Wilcox talk about any of these guys in the 40s?

903
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:27,780
Hey, guess who we're going to talk about.

904
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:30,340
Just give me two paragraphs.

905
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:34,620
Oh, good.

906
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:39,420
There are also people that say there are massive structures on the moon that have to be non

907
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:40,780
naturally occurring.

908
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:44,980
And you can see them in photographs taken by the lunar orbiter in February of 1967,

909
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:48,980
which shows a mile high piece of something rising from the surface of the moon.

910
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:53,020
NASA conspiracy theorists, Richard Hoagland, that's who we were talking about with David

911
00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:54,020
Wilcox.

912
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:55,020
Right.

913
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:57,700
He said, don't use the Russian.

914
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:00,460
Richard, you just he's an idiot.

915
00:46:00,460 --> 00:46:01,460
You're right.

916
00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:02,460
He was like, hey, I'm an idiot.

917
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:03,460
Don't use the Russian.

918
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:04,460
Yeah.

919
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:05,460
Yeah.

920
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:06,460
Sounds like something Richard Hoagland.

921
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:10,140
That's probably a direct quote.

922
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:13,980
So he said there was a mile high monolith on the moon.

923
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,820
He called it the Shard and argued that no geological phenomenon can explain it, so it

924
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:19,140
must be artificially made.

925
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:23,680
And what turned out later, however, that Hoagland had processed the image, the spot of light

926
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,540
in the image turned into the Shard.

927
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:28,740
So it was just like a misprocessing of the photo.

928
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:33,340
And another photo taken during the Apollo 15 moonwalk in 1971 to break some bright light

929
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:35,460
above astronaut David Scott's head.

930
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:39,080
This led some people to suggest that maybe it's evidence of alien activity, but experts

931
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,260
have said it's just lens flare.

932
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:44,780
And then, of course, we have to talk about the people who have been there.

933
00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:49,700
People like Corey Good, who at the age of 17 participated in the secret space program

934
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:54,300
called SSP, which is our secret space program.

935
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:59,140
The full name of this program is the Sun Guardian program.

936
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,500
And the specific year was around 1986.

937
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:06,860
In the early stages of participating in this program, Corey Good and his buddies were trained

938
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:10,620
on the human base on the moon, which of course was on the far side.

939
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:15,180
And my God, both David Wilcock and Corey Good have talked about this on episodes of their

940
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:16,580
shows before.

941
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:21,380
David Wilcock's was called Ancient Wisdoms that he had, where he talked about Corey Good's

942
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:26,860
connection to the moon bases and then Corey Good had a show where they were held at gunpoint.

943
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:28,820
It was not while they were held at gunpoint.

944
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:32,380
And then, of course, Corey Good and Wilcock did the lunar operations command episode of

945
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:36,640
a show I forgot to put the name of, which says, according to our insider, many people

946
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,380
already live and work in bases embedded under the lunar surface.

947
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:44,940
This is just one integral part of five active space programs.

948
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:50,100
Corey Good discloses five secret space programs and discusses the role our moon plays in interplanetary

949
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,100
diplomacy.

950
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,100
Holy shit.

951
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,100
Five.

952
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,100
Yeah.

953
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:59,020
I really like that they started off with according to our insider and then end off with Corey

954
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,020
Good's going to tell us this shit.

955
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:05,100
Because they knew if they started off with Corey Good says this stuff, it's going to

956
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:09,220
be like, oh, God, again, people who are listening to it love them.

957
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:10,220
Yeah.

958
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:13,540
This must be the most interesting human being ever to live.

959
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:16,380
Like he's done so much with the blue space.

960
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:18,220
People are paying for that information.

961
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:19,220
Yeah.

962
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:23,940
Yeah, both Corey Good and David Wilcock have talked extensively about the bases on the

963
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,860
far side of the moon that connect us with the interplanetary order.

964
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:28,900
They're fucking insane.

965
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:29,900
You can quote me as saying that.

966
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:30,900
That doesn't.

967
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:31,900
I don't think I'm going to get this.

968
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:33,780
I was buying it until you just said Corey Good.

969
00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:35,820
I was like, Nazis on the moon.

970
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:36,820
Okay.

971
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:37,820
The bell rings.

972
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:38,820
Yeah.

973
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:39,820
It all makes sense.

974
00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:40,820
And then you're like, Corey Good.

975
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:41,820
And I was like, fuck this.

976
00:48:41,820 --> 00:48:42,820
I'm out.

977
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:46,020
And I'm just happy so many people made a guest appearance on this episode.

978
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:47,020
It was great.

979
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:48,020
I love it when it all happens.

980
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:51,100
I love it when it all comes together like this.

981
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:54,980
I'm going to take it back and I'm going to end you off with this little factoid that

982
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:56,980
will make it sound a little more fun.

983
00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:01,180
And that is we all know in European and Western society that there's a man on the moon.

984
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:04,180
If you look at the moon, you can see the face of the man.

985
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:06,540
But in Asian culture, it's actually a rabbit.

986
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:07,540
No.

987
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:09,400
Yeah, they see a rabbit and he's living up there.

988
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,340
Up there with Chang'e, who was destined to be there in Chinese mythology because she

989
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:16,820
stole her husband's immortality potion that he was tricked into.

990
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:17,820
It's a fun story.

991
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:21,100
I think it's a good place to pick up the story of Chang'e and Houyi if you're looking for

992
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:22,500
mythology to look at.

993
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:25,380
But I think that's a good place to end, especially when we're talking about the Lunar New Year

994
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:27,820
and some Chinese dabbling into the Lunar-ness.

995
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:31,460
That would be a good thing to Google for the Chinese Lunar New Year.

996
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:36,980
But I feel like if I started to Google it, I would not, based on how I would phonetically

997
00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:40,220
spell that, bring up the story you're referring to.

998
00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:45,220
No, you definitely would not.

999
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:47,260
And that's part of the mystery of it.

1000
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:50,660
That's the moon in a nutshell in a dome that we can never escape.

1001
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:51,940
Chelsea, any questions?

1002
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:57,900
Well, I learned that the moon is a very mysterious place and we're just not sure what's up with

1003
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:58,900
it.

1004
00:49:58,900 --> 00:49:59,900
Yeah.

1005
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:04,380
It's mystery and not sure what else to say other than that, other than we don't know

1006
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,380
what it is or what it's doing, who lives there.

1007
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,720
And I just do want to put a caveat on this.

1008
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,180
These are fully westernized conspiracies with the moon.

1009
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:19,940
I did not look into any other cultural conspiracies or weirdness of the moon, which I'm sure we

1010
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:24,540
could actually turn into a thing, but it would be a little bit hard to research.

1011
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:25,540
Would be.

1012
00:50:25,540 --> 00:50:28,780
I've never thought about that other culture conspiracy theories.

1013
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:33,460
They're probably so weird, but probably not any weirder than Corey Goode and David Wilcock,

1014
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:34,460
what they're putting out.

1015
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:40,660
No, and to be fair, there's probably conspiracy in other cultures that Corey Goode exists.

1016
00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:46,260
Like no man can claim that many things and be real.

1017
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:54,300
I'm glad I predicted that after all the Russian scientists.

1018
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:59,100
And with that, I want you all to take a second, depending on if the moon is out or not.

1019
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,300
It might be even if it's the day, you never know.

1020
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:05,540
It's not just a nighttime guy, but I want you to take a look and go look and see, can

1021
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:08,220
you actually see the bunny in the moon?

1022
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,020
And if you have, I think I've given you a little thing that you can take forward with

1023
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:13,020
you.

1024
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:14,740
And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

1025
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:16,100
We have been Journey to the Fringe.

1026
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,820
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1027
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:23,320
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1028
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:29,620
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1030
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1031
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1035
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