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Chelsea, have you ever applied for a job, maybe exaggerate a little bit on the resume

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and you were really worried about them finding out or asking about it?

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Maybe a little.

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Okay. Well, this story might be somewhat relatable, although in the most extreme form out there. This

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comes from Vox. I'm going to withhold the title for a while because it gives away the story.

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It was posted December 27th, 2022, and it has to do with the US election that just happened

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in November. So the biography of newly elected Congress member George Santos seemed quite

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impressive. He's a 34 year old son of immigrants and had graduated from Barrett College, a public

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college in New York, before going on to work at firms like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.

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Santos eventually became a successful financier who started an animal rescue charity. Here's

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the problem. Everything about that apparently is a lie. As revealed in the New York Times on December

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19th, it wasn't just that Santos exaggerated his resume. He had invented everything basically,

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full cloth. The Times found that he apparently did not graduate from Barrett College. He did not work

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for Goldman Sachs or Citigroup. There were no records of him being a successful financier,

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nor were there of him registering his animal rescue charity that he apparently ran.

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How did he get through the interviews?

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I mean, it's just running for office. So I don't know how the other side didn't say like,

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look into any of this. That's very true, especially in the States.

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Yeah. And the Times also found that he had been charged with check fraud in Brazil. Further,

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a number of outlets have found no evidence of Santos's repeated claims to be Jewish,

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to have Jewish heritage, or to be descended from refugees fleeing the Holocaust.

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Santos even described himself at one point as a proud American Jew in a campaign position paper.

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Who is this guy?

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He is going to be a congressman representing New York State.

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Still is.

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Yeah. Well, as of right now, like this all just came out.

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In a media tour with Friendly Outlets Monday, Santos admitted to putting a little bit of fluff

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on his resume. In other words, he conceded that he never graduated from college, never worked

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for Goldman Sachs or Citigroup, and wasn't Jewish, though he claimed to be, quote, Jew-ish.

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That is, that's literally everything.

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Yeah. Santos brushed off lying about basic biographical information as embellishment,

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and he pushed back on the Times reporting about his criminal charges in Brazil. Quote,

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I am not a criminal, unquote, he told the New York Post. And of course, the New York Post being like

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the extreme far-right newspaper as well. The story has sparked one of the most bizarre political

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scandals in American history. Members of Congress have committed murder in office. In fact, a member

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of Congress has even killed another member of Congress. Even in the present day, we've seen

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every scandal under the sun, from Anthony Weiner tweeting a lewd picture of himself to Marjolee

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Taylor Greene's infamous Facebook post about Jewish space lasers. But it's hard to think of a

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precedent for a scandal like this. So who is George Santos?

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Yeah, that's my question. My bet for who he is, is his mom went out of town and he was left in

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charge of his siblings and the babysitter died. And he had to think of a job quick and he had no

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prior experience. So he had to make up a resume and then go to work.

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And he was 34 years old. Okay.

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Okay, no. I thought he might be a teenager. Which is, don't tell mom the babysitter's dead.

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Yeah, I know. But that also does track with what is actually provable on his resume.

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Babysitter probably would be something that might actually apply.

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Okay, who is he really?

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Just to give you a bit of an idea too, he's a Trump-style Republican.

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Like he ran as I am very pro-Trump. I am also a gay Republican so that nobody can really fight

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me on certain things because you know, a lot of conservative rhetoric is bad on that.

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Okay, well that's probably made up to you.

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Yeah, I don't know at this point, like literally everything.

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Yeah, too.

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The only thing I do know is I'm pretty sure the guy does like Trump in his policies.

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I could see not being able to lie about that.

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There are some things we do know about Santos, the openly gay son of Brazilian immigrants.

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He was elected in November to an open congressional seat that includes a thin slice of Queens and much

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of the North Shore of Long Island in Nizau County. I probably mis-said that word, but whatever.

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Santos defeated Democrat Robert Zimmerman by a margin of 54% to 46%.

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This represents a major swing from 2020 when Biden had won the district by the same margin.

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And that year Santos ran against incumbent Tom Sozi in a similar district and lost

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handedly by a margin of 56% to 43.5%. The representative-elect is also an ardent

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Trump supporter, so much so that he was at Trump's ellipse rally on January 6, 2021,

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and has repeatedly falsely claimed that the former president won the 2020 election.

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Also for all his alleged lying about his resume, it is clear that one of the companies that he

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actually worked at, Harbor City Capital, has been accused by the Securities and Exchange Commission

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of being a Ponzi scheme. As for Santos's other employment, he did spend a stint as a Portuguese

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language customer service agent for Dish Network a decade ago. So those are the two jobs they can

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confirm. Those are the two things they can confirm. Then those were on the actual resume.

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He was just going back and being able to see what they could actually find.

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It's not like he was talking about his work on the call center at Dish when he was running for

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office. My theory could still check out. Yes. What we don't know, we don't know a lot. This ranges

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from basic facts about Santos's biography to deal tales about his dealings with the Brazilian

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criminal justice system and everything in between, including where he actually lives.

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But most importantly, we don't know where he actually lives. He's never been able to confirm

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it. Most importantly, we don't know where Santos's money comes from. The representative-elect loaned

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his own campaign $700,000 during the 2022 election cycle and claimed an income of $750,000.

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He also listed millions of dollars in assets, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro worth

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up to $1 million and a seven-figure savings account. This is not good. It's a major shift

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in the fortune for someone who was evicted twice in 2015 and 2017 for failing to pay rent and had

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been taken to court for not paying debts. Even in 2020, he reported income in one category,

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compensation in excess of $5,000 paid by one source with no other assets. In 2020, the guy

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was worth roughly $5,000 and now he has a multi-million dollar bank account. Santos has

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provided no information about his finances on his media tour, except to concede that he owned no

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property. He had previously claimed on Twitter to be a landlord who owned 13 properties.

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So what happens now? Dan Goldman, a fellow representative-elect from New York and a

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former prosecutor, has suggested that Santos face criminal investigation for conspiracy to defraud

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the United States, as well as filing false statements to the Federal Elections Commission.

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In an interview with Fox, Goldman shied away from weighing in on whether Santos should be denied his

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seat in Congress. Quote, I think the bigger question is not whether I think George Santos should be a

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member of Congress. The bigger question is whether Kevin McCarthy and the Republican leadership think

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that George Santos should be a member of Congress. End quote. However, as of now, McCarthy needs Santos

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almost as much as Santos needs McCarthy. The Republican leader is facing a revolt among

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hard-right Republicans opposed to him becoming Speaker of the House in January. With the slim

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incoming GOP majority, it means McCarthy can only risk a handful of defections for a position that

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requires a majority vote of the entire House. Shortly before the Time Story was published,

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Santos endorsed McCarthy on Twitter. Further, because Santos represents one of the most

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democratic seats in Congress, held by a Republican forcing him to resign under any circumstances

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risk, it would be a difficult seat for a Republican to hold in a special election and a loss would

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further imperil an already slim GOP majority. In the meantime, it's a matter of waiting for the

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next shoe to drop. The Office of New York Attorney General Letitia James is already looking into some

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of the issues that have come out and unsustainable as the current status quo might seem, the only

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impetus right now for Santos to resign will be a sense of shame. And it seems very unlikely that

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he carries that burden as he's gone on TV many times saying, I did lie a little bit. I'm sorry.

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But is that, is that not wild? That is a wild story. And I quite enjoyed that.

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Good. If you want to go read the story yourself, it's called Did George Santos lie about everything

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by Ben Jacobs on Vox. Isn't it great? Or if you live that job? Yeah. Isn't it great how if you go

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into any job interview personally with that much lying, like even a little bit of lying, you're

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kicked out the door in like five seconds. This guy, no, no, he's probably going to serve for a

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little while at least. Yeah, it's wild. I quite enjoyed that. That was, that was quite nice.

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You're welcome. And with that, we're going to start the episode.

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From the unexplained to the mundane. Come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe. Now nominated for four Emmys. It may not have the

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same impact if you write to the judges nominating yourself, but they say it's just an honor to be

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nominated. We are your award nominated hosts, Taylor and Chelsea here today to talk to you

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about one of those strange enigmatic characters within the UFO community. I don't know if you

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could technically say he's in the UFO community. I think he likes to stay out of it, but that's

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mostly because he's so rich that who knows what the hell he's doing at any given time. That is,

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of course, the hotel mogul known as Robert Bigelow. Now Chelsea is doing this episode,

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so I'm going to let her take it from here. Yeah, Robert Bigelow. You know, I didn't actually know

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that he was into hotels first until like recently. Actually, I don't even know if he's into hotels.

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He just made money in hotels. He might not look them at all. We'll figure it out. It's true. I

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mean, if I, well, you never know. I don't know that I actually get into that, but we'll get into some

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stuff. So it's time for a lot of things. It's time to do an actual good guy in the community instead

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of an asshole in the UFO paranormal community. I mean, to be fair, you know my position on

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billionaires. There's no such thing as a good billionaire. So I can't say he's a good guy per

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se in the community, but he's doing interesting things. He is doing interesting things. And it's

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just time for some Robert Bigelow, male Jiggalo. Just kidding. Just kidding. It's a different guy.

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I'm pretty sure. It never actually clarified in my research actually. So he could be male Jiggalo.

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It is interesting. It's Rob Schneider who plays Deuce Bigelow. And it's just, it's an amalgamation

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of both those names. So I'm just wondering if there was any sort of karmic comedy going on.

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Yeah. Yeah. Universal comedy going on in that. I can't, nothing came up in my research. So I

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cannot confirm nor deny that. Okay. So we can just- I don't even know what we can't confirm or deny,

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but we can't. We can just leave this now shrouded in mystery and move on like it never happened.

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Okay. So the point that I'm trying to make nonetheless is that today is the day we will

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finally take a look at the man, the myth, the legend, the very opposite of asshole, but more

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beloved saint of the paranormal community, Robert Bigelow. Notice I didn't say billionaire

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because saints aren't billionaires. And he actually really reminds me of someone that would show up

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in the venture bros. Like this eccentric person with lots of money. He wouldn't be a villain.

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I don't think. I mean, then who would they be? That's all that show is. He would be someone like-

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Like, um, would he be, Oh, what's his name with the giant head? He would be someone maybe that

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would help. What's his face? Venture. Okay. I could definitely see him as a phantom limb like

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character, but he's a villain. So yeah, no, I don't think villain, you know, he might be a villain.

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I don't know. Okay. Let's get into this out of the venture bros because he's not actually in the

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venture bros. He's a real person born May 12th, 1944 Robert Thomas, Thomas Bigelow it's pronounced

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Thomas grew up in America's most wholesome town, Las Vegas, Nevada. At the time it was,

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it still is. Robert took an interest in the nuclear weapons tests happening about 70 miles

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Northwest of Las Vegas. And there started his passion in science at the age of 12. Bigelow

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decided that his future was in space travel as we all did when we were 12 years old. I know I did.

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However, we will see that he was actually serious. Unlike the rest of us. Cause I am definitely not

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in the space travel business. Hey, if I had his kind of money, I would make something happen

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of my space. That's true. That's true. But we, we differ from him. So here's a quote from Bigelow.

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When I was 12 or 13, I made a commitment to myself to really get involved in something to do with

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space and something to do with UFOs. If I ever had the money to do it. So I made a premeditated

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contract to myself to get into some kind of field where I could make a lot of money. Like what kind

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of 12 or 13 year old has that amount of foresight? Like I still don't have that amount of foresight.

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Yeah. But we also didn't live in a day and age where land was dirt cheap and one of the most

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expensive cities in North America and be able to grow with that. Like, like the guy grew up in a

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city of what? Maybe 1000 people in the 1940s. Let me check really quick. Las Vegas population,

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1945. Okay. In 1950, it had a population of 24,000 people. Okay. That's still not high.

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And then today Las Vegas is one of the biggest cities in North America with 2.839 million people.

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Oh my God. I did not expect that. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. He grew up in a very lucky time to do what

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he did. Now, to be fair, maybe he saw that chance, but it's very much so. It only happened because

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of the circumstances of where he was. Okay. Yeah. Let's go with that. So despite Bigelow's

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limitations with mathematics, he resolved to choose a career that would make him rich enough

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that one day he could hire the scientific expertise required to launch his own space program.

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And sorry, Chelsea, just really quick. 1940, the population of Las Vegas was 8,400. Oh my God.

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Yeah. That's crazy. Oh yeah. Right away, even as 12 years old, he was thinking ahead and I would

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have literally never thought of that. Still haven't. He goes to the University of Nevada in

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Reno in 1962 and studies banking and real estate and graduates in 1967. Oh, Robert is a fucking smart

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guy. So he follows his father into real estate from the time he graduates through the nineties.

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He develops commercial real estate hotels, motels and apartments and builds his fortune on the

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hotel chain, budget suites of America. It's not even high end. It's budget. I love that.

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A furnished units rentable by the week or month and catered to low income workers living on tips

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or paycheck to paycheck. Eventually he unloads much of his housing stock in the boom years

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immediately before the 2008 crash. He didn't unload all of it. I believe he still does own

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some real estate. Don't know if it's still the hotel. It didn't really elaborate. So what I got

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from that though is that he was a slumlord who made everybody pay week to week. He did. I did

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read an article. I didn't put it in here. He was trying to evict some people during COVID. They

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did go to court and he did say that they were very lenient with people. Yes, they were people who were.

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Yeah, but he made his fortune off of people who couldn't afford to actually rent anything month

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to month. It sounds like. Of course, this may be a gross misrepresentation of what it was,

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but that's what those pay week to week people who live there long term are doing. They can't afford

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to rent anywhere else either because they have bad credit or they just don't have the money for a

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deposit. That's the problem with those. And he became a billionaire off that. So again,

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exploitation always makes a billionaire. You are reading in between the lines. Yes,

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I do appreciate that. So budget suites made him the fortune he promised himself. The Wall Street

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Journal in 1999 said he valued his real estate empire at $900 million. Forbes estimated it in

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2007 at $700 million. And today he's often called a billionaire, but he dismissed specifics of

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it's not what matters. He said it's easy to say when you have the money, but it's not everything.

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So given the title of this episode, let's first talk about Bigelow's venture into the space frontier.

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Unless we have anything to add on that last part. No, no, I actually, I don't mind

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when a billionaire actually says it's not about the money and he's not upset that it's misquoted.

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As a very famous Donald Trump once sued the Forbes list for misstating his net worth. Oh,

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great. That's a really great trait in a person. He's the king of lawsuits, that guy. So let's

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talk about the space frontier. In 1999, Bigelow founds Bigelow Aerospace. He indicates that he

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planned to spend up to $500 million US to develop the first commercial space station with the goal

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of the station costing 33% of the US $1.5 billion that NASA expended on a single space shuttle

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mission. Oh, to give you a little bit of history that you will most definitely need coming up,

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NASA originally considered the idea of inflatable habitats in the 1960s for space and developed

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the Transhab inflatable module concept in the late 1990s. It's a really interesting idea because

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most places you'd actually want to set up a place like that, it's going to have some sort of atmosphere

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that you can likely put into anything to inflate it. Or it's fairly easy to bring along your own

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condensed gases, but it would be very easy to actually just get the gas wherever you are.

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From space? No, like if you're inflating, you're likely on some sort of satellite or planet. Oh.

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Like if you're on Mars, you're going to use Mars's CO2 based atmosphere to inflate it.

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People are going to live in there. Yeah. They breathe CO2? No, but you're inflating it with

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CO2, not putting it in the inside of it that you're going to live in. This is craziness.

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That doesn't make sense. Okay. Have you ever been in a bouncy castle? Oh, it wouldn't go into it

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where you breathe? I'm talking about the bouncy part. Yes. I'm talking about the bouncy part.

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That makes sense. That makes sense. You just wouldn't want to poke a hole anywhere. You want

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to wear very dull things. Okay. So the Transhab project was canceled by Congress in 2000,

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and Bigelow Aerospace purchased the rights to the patents developed by NASA to pursue private

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space station design. In 2006 and 2007, Bigelow Aerospace launched two demonstration modules to

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Earth orbit, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. It was also planned for full scale space habitats to be used

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as orbital hotels, research labs and factories. Impressive. I remember when they were talking

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about that. Ever did come to fruition though. Yeah, it bugs me. He didn't actually invent

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anything though. He just bought what he invested in as a society. Which you kind of see him through

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this whole thing kind of being like, I'm going to get enough money, but then he kind of, he's not

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the brain child of anything. He just kind of buys into all of it, into his interests. Yeah. And I

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mean, can't say I can blame him. I mean, I can't say I would have the brains to be coming up with

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my own ideas in space. Maybe I'd like go through old patents and be like, yeah, this one seems

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interesting. I guess I'll find that. Yeah, but I also didn't commit my life to space travel.

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That's true. I committed my life to an incredibly broad range of obscure and fringy topics.

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Yeah, exactly. And here we are. So on the 20th of December, 2012, NASA awarded Bigelow Aerospace

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a 17.8 million US contract to construct the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module,

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BEAM, under NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems, AES, program. In 2013, Bigelow indicated that

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the reason he went into the commercial real estate business was to obtain the requisite resources to

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be able to fund a team developing space destinations. It's only one way to get that money and it's from

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taking it from the pores, damn it. Exactly. October 2017, Bigelow announced his plans to

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put an inflatable space hotel into orbit by 2022. Wait, seriously? Huh? I wouldn't think an inflatable

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one would work around Earth just because it would always be perpetually falling into Earth. Yeah. So

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you'd need some sort of propulsion. Yeah. So the inflatable space hotel reminds me of that fun,

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inflatable neon furniture from the 90s. You know, like couch and stuff. Just in space, yeah.

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In space. And it's exactly the same after that. Exactly. And it just like, all the furniture in

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there is like, that's what I think of when I think of it. That was bound to make a comeback,

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obviously. The project was estimated to cost 2.3 billion in total and the cost of a three-day stay

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in the hotel was estimated at $5 million, otherwise known as chump change. So he's really

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going the opposite direction on this. This is not a pay by the week type thing. It's three days.

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Stay by the three days upfront. Can we speculate about people who stay past their three days stay?

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They're calling in the Slemlords and they're gonna- They're bringing in the space sheriff.

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With the lead pipe to break the legs of the millionaires. Okay. That's what's in my mind.

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Or maybe they pop in the bridge or I don't know. Because I'm just thinking, because they're

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weightless, what's breaking their legs gonna do? If anything, you want to break their arms so they

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can't hold on to things. Maybe they get kicked out into space. They just- On the fourth day,

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if somebody's still in there, they just open the exterior hatch.

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Sheriff's is both an eviction and a cleaning service.

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I love it. Okay. So I know you're trying to distract me from the math I was just about to

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talk about. You're welcome, by the way. So I'm sure you're doing the math. Taylor was. Taylor

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was looking out for you. That math is so easy. I can even do it without a calculator. So don't

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be scared. Don't look at your screen. Don't look at your screen. How much in a year? How much in a

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year per room? You mean? Because they can save three days for five million dollars. Five million.

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How much in a year per room? Oh no, I don't do that math. Okay. Okay. It's about 605 mil.

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Yeah. I don't think they'd allow that. I don't know if they would. So anyway, 2020- Okay. I said

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math too much and there's too many numbers floating around in my head. 2022 to 2023, which is the year

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we're in now. That's a year past. So- That's not a year. Just so you know. That's very easy math.

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It's not? 2022 to 2023 is not a year. What is it? Well, it could be a fiscal year, but it's-

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That's two years. It could be a date. It could be a day. Technically, it had to be at least two days.

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Projected date for space hotels was last year. So I'm sure you're like, hey, I don't think there's

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hotels in space yet unless I miss something major or I'm just that poor and can't afford three nights

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in space and it's a secret to everyone else. I'm on a timeline projectile right now and that timeline

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I just gave you is 2017. So just stay with me until my timeline's complete, please. I will come back

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to this. That was a long tangent for me to say that. So back to 2017. This plan was a part of a

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partnership with United Launch Alliance, which I have to tell you what they are. The United Launch

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Alliance is an American supercraft launch service provider that manufactures and operates a number

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of rocket vehicles that are capable of launching spacecraft into orbits around earth and to other

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bodies in the solar system and beyond. That's a bit of a lie, isn't it? Mostly yes, but we just

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got off your opener. So it's not that big of a lie. That's not that big of a lie comparatively.

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I mean, if you just wait long enough, it will go beyond the solar system. Exactly. The company,

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which is a joint venture between Lockheed Martin Space and Boeing Defense Space and Security was

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formed in December 2006. Launch customers of the United Launch Alliance include the Department of

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Defense, NASA and other organizations. They're the etc. Bigelow has been working on the Bigelow

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Expandable Activity Module, the BEAM, clever. Wait, wait, wait. Is that a bouncy castle?

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The Infallible Neon Fetcher. I had to come up with a scientific name for a bouncy castle. That's

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what I would call it. BEAM, yeah. The Activity. The Expandable Activity Module. Yeah. Yeah. That's

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so much money. That's way too much money for a bouncy castle. And somebody else had to come up

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with that name for you. You can rent those for like a hundred bucks. Yeah. They launched bouncy

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castles. So developed by Bigelow Aerospace under contract to NASA for testing as a temporary module

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on the ISS. Oh, interesting. I quite like the idea of the astronauts being able to take advantage of

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a bouncy castle in zero G. Like that just seems fun. Yeah, it doesn't. Or not fun at all.

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And also to see the International Space Station as I know it in my head with a bouncy castle off the

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edge. Very excited to see this. I'm still just picturing like that neon inflatable couch with

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like little flip flops from the 90s. I wanted those so bad. Yeah, that are partially see-through. Yeah.

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for future crews traveling in deep space. BEAM is launched to the ISS on the 8th SpaceX cargo

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resupply mission on April 10, 2016 and was birthed at the ISS on April 16, 2026. What? That can't be

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right. Sorry, can you say that again? I cannot. Okay. Hold on a second. These inflatable technologies,

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man. They go through time so strange. Oh, 2016 and was birthed at the ISS on April 16, 2016.

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So that's six days later, not 10 years later. Okay. And was expanded and pressurized on the 28th of May 2016.

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I mean, it could have been theory just been they inflated it at the ground and just were

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letting it float up. Inflated it with helium. Yeah. I'll see you in 10 years.

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Although originally planned to be a two year test, it had exceeded expectation and it is used as

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additional cargo storage at the ISS to this day. Oh man, that seems less fun. I know it's and if

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you were to look at it, it looks like it's like a hut, a white hut. A yurt, if you will. A yurt.

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A yurt. That was the one I was looking for. I wasn't about to search my brain for that word.

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In March 2020, Bigelow Aerospace laid off all 88 members of staff and halted operations.

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The guy that came up with the beam name was laid off. No. Yeah. He was a part of those 88.

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He was integral to those 88 people. I mean, to be fair, he probably got those people those jobs up

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until that point. He kept them employed until that point. So they're all the same.

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They're all laid off. They halted operations after over 20 years of business and the move only

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partially credited to the coronavirus. I don't think we need to go into what that is. I've given

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you a lot of information, but I'm just going to leave that one a mystery if you still don't know

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what that is. Quick question. Do you know if they liquidated their stock to say like get cheap things

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for kids birthday parties by chance? No, they did not do that. Oh man. Unfortunately. I know.

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So they still have it for the liquidation sale. Okay. Perfect. As you hear Furious taping.

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In March 2021, Bigelow sued NASA for 1.5 million US alleging he was not paid according to contract

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for product testing and development. Beam is now under the ownership of NASA since the Bigelow

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aerospace suspending of operations in 2021. So that's the aerospace story. Any questions

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about aerospace? Did NASA also hire the genius behind beam? Unfortunately not. Oh, it was not

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liquidated. Well, he might be up for sale on TV. He might be. Okay. I'll keep my eye out. We're

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looking for kids performers. Might be on Fiverr. Yeah. Creator of beam. Genius behind beam.

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So now let's talk about anomalies research. Sky is an eccentric millionaire that I will never be.

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Bigelow has had an interest in UFOs since forever. I can relate. We can probably all relate. While

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mine dates back to the late eighties, Bigelow's dates back to the 47th. He's got Roswell like

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almost in eye shot there. Yes, he does. A landmark year for flying saucer fever after the crash of

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something still mysterious in the desert outside Roswell. So Taylor was bang on on that. Also that

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May when he was three, so cut to the fifties, Mr. Bigelow said his maternal grandparents, Tom and

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Delta Thiebaud, driving down from the mountainside outside Las Vegas after dark when a glowing object

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flew toward them, filling their windshield and terrifying them before streaking off.

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We're late getting back home and so shaken. Mr. Bigelow said that my grandfather couldn't drive a

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car for a while. As to what happened to them during the missing hours, Mr. Bigelow said they

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wouldn't talk about it. Bigelow has had his own anomalous experiences, including one that I don't

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talk about, which is a direct quote from him. They're starting when he was about seven. He chalks

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them up to just dreams, he said, but they left an impression on a child growing up in the dawning

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age of rocketry, atomic testing clouds in the Nevada desert. I was totally hooked, he said.

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In 1992, Bigelow established the Bigelow Foundation collaborating with Bob Lazar.

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Do we have him on a list of some sort? Bob Lazar is one of our good guys in the community.

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Him and Jacques Vallée make up a very short list. And Bigelow's in a gray area now. Through his

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foundation, he has funded many studies of UFOs, psychic ability, and related issues. It is said

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that he's funded Bud Hopkins, Johnny Mack, Bob Lazar, and Linda Moulton Howe, who received a

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research grant from Bigelow in 1994 to study plant and animal tissues associated with mutilation

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cases. And sorry, Linda's on that list as well. Bob Lazar fills the same category as I would say

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Robert Bigelow fills. I wouldn't even know how to do anything with Linda Moulton Howe. Oh yeah, sorry.

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I meant Bob Lazar, he's a great guy. I'm just going to interject here quick. This is the only

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instance in what I'm going to talk about where Bob Lazar comes up in here. However, I have heard

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Bigelow speak about him a few times because they are friends and whatever it is I just said. If

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you're not sure who Bob Lazar is, please refer to our future episode on Bob Lazar that will probably

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be out now. But not, but who knows? Yeah, who knows? For the majority of you at this time,

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probably not. Who knows when we'll do that? How did this friendship come to be? No idea. But in

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digging into this a little, I could find limited information, but here's the limited information I

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could find. Lazar and Bigelow formed a company together called Zeta Reticuli 2. Obviously,

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this is after the brains of Beam was laid off and they probably lost his contact information or

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couldn't afford him. Maybe he went on to bigger and better things. And Bigelow financed a small lab

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for Lazar to conduct work. In an interview, Bigelow says the following about Lazar.

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Bob was intriguing because he knew so much, Bigelow said during the recent interview. He's a smart guy,

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he's no dummy, he's a smart man, he's a smart guy, and very creative. And so again, I say that the

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ponderance of evidence to me is in his favor and that he's by large legitimate. Just a quick

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Cole's notes of Bob Lazar for anybody who has not listened to our future episode that may or may

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not be out at this point. He worked at Area 51 allegedly. Allegedly, he was also a very famous,

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or a very intelligent scientist at the time. And it's hard to corroborate his story. He went out,

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had a tell-all expose. I believe it was with George Knapp, was it not? Yeah, it's with a few

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people. George Knapp, I believe it was George Knapp. But the story's very messy. At the end of the day,

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he worked at Area 51, nobody knows what he actually did. Because no one can corroborate it.

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Yeah. And he's a weird guy. He's a really weird guy. That's about it in a nutshell. So he does

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tell some stories about Lazar on the Joe Rogan experience, and he's apparently been friends with

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Lazar even before he came out with these claims. Lazar, that is, not Robert Bigelow saying he's

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friends with Bob Lazar. Anyhow, that's that, and Bigelow believes Lazar is telling straight facts.

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So take with that what you will. Next, I found a post on Scientific Research, whatever that is,

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it was a website I found, by Angela Thompson Smith, PhD, who worked at the Bigelow Foundation

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between October 92 and April 94, who said she looked into some of these things. It was a fairly

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long article, so I just took some things to just talk about them real quick and see what they're

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up to with this foundation. The first was the Mount Wilson Ranch. Besides Robert Bigelow's

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interest in the Northeast Utah Skinwalker Ranch, there was also mention of Jacques Vallee.

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Jacques Vallee. You get me every time. Jacques Vallee's Bin Science Volume 4 of Bigelow Visiting.

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1996, another ranch which he subsequently purchased. This ranch was near Pioche, Nevada,

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and was called the Mount Wilson Ranch. What is interesting to me is that Angela and Bigelow

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were aware of the details of unusual events at this ranch as early as 1993. I've actually never

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heard of this ranch. Back in March of 1993, the foundation received some information about another

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ranch about 50 miles north of Pioche, where there had been reports of UFO sightings. The ranch was

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historically the site of many gunfights and early deaths. One of the ranch occupants told interesting

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stories of UFO sightings. In his partner, were in their pickup truck one night and saw unusual

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lights that drew their attention. The two men thought that each light was an individual object

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and that all the lights moved in unison. Colors were off white and yellow white. Men estimated

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that the lights were about a football field distance, but there was no noise, no static on

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the radio. Later they had another sighting of several lights over a dry lake bed. This light

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moved erratically and kicked up a lot of dust from the lake bed. Third sighting was of a single light

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that seemed to dart up and down above a mountain. And that is a brief summary of the Mount Wilson

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Ranch. Next is Fife, Alabama. In April 1993, Mr. Bigelow asked me to travel to Huntsville,

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Alabama to follow up on some UFO sightings and cattle mutilations that had been happening in the

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area. In Alabama, I met a couple of local newspaper owners, the Bakers, who had reported extensively

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on the UFO flap over Fife, Alabama, and a local policeman who was investigating the sightings.

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After a while he opened up to me and talked very frankly about the UFO sightings, cattle,

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mutilations, and abductions that were happening in Alabama. On the last day of my residence in the

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Lake Gunterville Lodge, I had a rare UFO sighting. From the balcony of my room I saw a large round

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red and white light rise up vertically. It appeared to rise vertically out of the lake. It did not

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wink with strobe lights and soon disappeared into the clouds. And that's Alabama. Next, Area 2000.

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So do you think in all these scenarios that he's buying them because they're in the middle of

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nowhere? They might be interesting. And worst case scenario, he'll just open up a budget motel.

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From my understanding, he's done. If the motel's at this point, aside from a few that he's hung

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on to, that wouldn't make sense, would he? Because he wants to have like all this money to continue

391
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buying these things. And sorry, I should say maybe not budget motel, inflatable motel like you see in

392
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space. Yeah, it could be. However, he didn't do that with Skinwalker. I know that for sure. Oh yeah,

393
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he sold it. I forgot about that. Sorry. He sold it. I'll talk about it a little. Yeah. I think it's more

394
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just he was interested in the phenomenon and instead of just being like I'm interested in this,

395
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let's send a researcher. He was like, I'm gonna buy it. Like no one does. Unless you were me.

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Next one, Area 2000, which I also haven't heard of. Also in the spring of 93, Bigelow funded a radio

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show which commenced on the 4th of July, 1993. It was called the Area 2000 radio show. I thought

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this was an area, physical area. I was gonna wonder what happened with like with all the other

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other 1998 because we all better. Areas, right? Areas. Yeah. Yeah. This ran for six months until

400
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Bigelow lost interest in it. Angela's job was to find interesting relevant news stories and have

401
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them ready for the Las Vegas journalist, George Knapp to read on air. Oh, that's so sad. Did he

402
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lose interest in this? I love George Knapp. I'm bored. I'm fucking bored of you, George.

403
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Later, Linda Moulton-Hal joined the station as a news presenter. What? How did this stop? I've never

404
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even heard of this. But it was 93, wasn't it? Yes. Okay. Show generated reports of sightings and

405
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other experiences and we followed up quite a few UFO sightings around the country. That was a quote

406
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from who I'm not sure. Oh, probably Angela. I was talking about her. Whatever Angela was.

407
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It works for him. Of course. So that's the end of Angela. We're not talking about her anymore.

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Bye, Angela. Goodbye. In 1995, Bigelow founded the National Institute for Discovery Sciences,

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which is NIDS, to fund the research and study of various fringe sciences and paranormal topics.

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You can tell this is before Beam Guy. I know. I know. It just doesn't have the same pizzazz

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anymore. Yet. This organization studies UFOs, cattle mutilation, black triangles, et cetera,

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et cetera. And deputy administrator, Colm Calher, was quoted as saying that organization was not

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designed to study UFOs only. We don't study aliens. We study anomalies. They're the same thing in a

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lot of people's minds, but not in our minds, unquote, but in our hearts, unquote by me. By the

415
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way, the organization attributes the black helicopters to the military. And that is just

416
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a fun fact for you there. That does not have really any bearing on anything else other than

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that was their finding on that. I've literally not given you anything else. Following year in 1996,

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Bigelow purchased Skinwalker Ranch. I don't think I really need to say more about that here because

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that would be its own episode that I don't even think we would even know how to begin to touch on.

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So touch on it. We will. At some point, I think we will. Maybe a little as best as we can. I think

421
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we've alluded so much that at some point we have to at least- Acknowledge it. I found it really

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awkward to say touch it a little. Skinwalker Ranch. I don't even want to touch it a little.

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Okay. So episode maybe maybe not forthcoming. So if anyone's listening to the future,

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did we do it? I don't know. Let us know.

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Bigelow purchases the ranch for $200,000. Can you imagine? How many acres was it? Does it say?

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This is not even a price you pay for real estate. How many acres was it? A lot? It's gotta be a

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quarter section at least, right? At least 400 acres? 600 acres? It has to have been in something

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that I- Nah, I don't know about that. 512. Yeah, about a quarter section. Okay. Mr. Bigelow said

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he saw interdimensional forces at play through portals at certain paranormal hotspots like

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Skinwalker. He also said that he had frequently visited the ranch without experiencing the kind

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of chilling events others reported, as if some intelligence were selecting the people to act upon.

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Bigelow quotes, I slept like a log every single night, he said. I don't know why he then didn't

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rent it out as, and saying this is the best sleep you'll ever get. I put some inflatable domes up on

434
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it. Inflatable couches everywhere. It's like going back to Blockbuster in the 90s. It's the 90s,

435
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but taunted and you'll sleep so well. You won't see shit. And no human was physically harmed,

436
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but he said he and other visitors often carried strange things home. Like, as sulfurous. What?

437
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Like a good sleep. Yes. Like feeling super rested. And he also stole so much shit from that place.

438
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He owned it. He does seem like the owner who just like, he goes into the lab and just starts

439
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stealing shit, but he can't do anything about it. He's being really secretive about it, but he

440
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technically owns everything. Like test tube just sitting there, he puts it in his pocket. Typical.

441
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It's typical of eccentric. Got a trench coat on with so many pockets. Just like filled with shit.

442
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It's not even good shit. I hope it's more useful where it was, especially for you.

443
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Okay. So the stuff that people are actually carrying home is things like sulfurous stink in

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a certain part of their house. His wife felt the presence of a faceless creature pressing down on

445
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her side of the bed. That's a very weird thing to say upon reading it just now and thinking about

446
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it. I don't know how you would feel the presence of something having no face unless you saw it.

447
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Yeah. That really sounds like a, oh, what's it called? Hague syndrome? What's the actual term?

448
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Old Hague. Old Hague syndrome, but like faceless. Yeah. It could also be like hat man or

449
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a lot of different things, but usually those people are witnessing no face. Yeah. I mean,

450
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yeah. Shadow people like it had no face. He sold the ranch in 2016 because he was bored

451
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for about 500,000. Just kidding. He wasn't bored. He probably was though.

452
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To another billionaire. And he made a pretty good profit. He did make a really good profit. He sold

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it to another billionaire. Realty tycoon, Brandon Fugal, who has continued his own private on-site

454
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research. So from now on, it's just passed from eccentric billionaire to eccentric billionaire

455
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doing testing and the paranormal there. Oh, the main mysteries at Skinwalker Ranch were never

456
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solved, Mr. Bigelow said, but he added lots of things have never been made public that we have

457
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things that I personally initiated that we have photographs of. I don't know what he's holding

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on to. In April, 97 Bigelow donated $3.7 million to the University of Nevada to found the Bigelow

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chair of consciousness studies, which allows students to take undergraduate courses dealing

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with their psychology for college credit. In December, 2017, Bigelow was reported by the New

461
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York times to have urged Senator Harry Reid to initiate what became the advanced aerospace

462
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threat identification program or AATIP, which is a government study led by that was led by Louise

463
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Elizondo, who we know from our episode on Tom DeLong. That one is actually in the past. So it's

464
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up there if you want to go look. Program operated from 2007 to 2012, tasked with the study of UFOs

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and was funded by 22 million over five years until it ended. And it was began with the US Defense

466
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Intelligence Agency. Bigelow is of course convinced that extraterrestrial life exists and that they

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have visited Earth. And you both Bigelow, I just don't have all that money to do all this fancy

468
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stuff with. We can just vaguely talk about it on our podcast. Yeah, exactly. That's the most we can

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do. The Institute was sadly disbanded in 2004. An article by Dale Stevens, who sat down with a former

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staff member of NIDS, claimed that NIDS fell prey to a variety of internal problems. This is a good

471
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one. Including air management, lack of direction, lack of creativity. I mean, they lost the beam guy,

472
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lack of funding and negative culture. Again, Chelsea, the beam guy isn't there yet. He's not

473
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there yet. Oh yeah, this is after before before. Yeah, they haven't found the beam guy yet. I'm just waiting for you to also say boredom.

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This bores me. Oh, morale fueled by annual layoffs. This was compounded by the elusive nature of the

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field of study. In one example, when my acquaintance, newly hired, asked for direction, the response

476
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given was to spend a couple of hours a day surfing the web for items of interest. Also boredom. With

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that article by Dale Stevens summarizing why it was shut down, that unfortunately concludes the anomalies

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research. So now we move on to the consciousness studies. In June 2020, four months after bone

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marrow disease and leukemia claimed the life of his wife of 55 years, Diane Bigelow, Robert founded

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the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies to support investigations to life after death. He kind

481
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of reminds me of Houdini on this one, but he's the one that it was his mom that died. He was trying to

482
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find a psychic that could actually contact his mom, right? Yeah, but he was doing it through debunking

483
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as opposed to how funding the research. Yeah, Bigelow holds a contest seeking the best available

484
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evidence of survival of consciousness with prizes of 500,000, 300,000, and 150,000 for second and

485
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third place. As is usual with people holding contests for proof of the afterlife, if you didn't

486
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get that from his wife dying. Led a fairly tragic life with the death of loved ones. Bigelow's

487
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interest in consciousness grew after the 1992 suicide of their 24 year old son, Rod Lee,

488
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father of a baby son and yet an unborn daughter. Son Rod II grew up to struggle with drug addiction

489
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and would also die from suicide at 20 in 2011. So this contest took place in 2020. I never did find

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a winner. I don't know if he also just got bored and didn't like complete it. Or not awarding it.

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Or what happened with it. I couldn't find anything to finalize that thought in this. So now I just

492
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scoot on to the next thing I have written down. In January 2021, he put up an award of 1 million

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US for anyone who could demonstrate the existence of life after death. So with both of those,

494
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there's nothing more. Who won? If he found it, I'm assuming he didn't find it. Who got the 1 million

495
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,720
or what's going on? If he's bored or not, who knows? Yeah, he's probably bored. He was actively

496
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going around doing some media with these two contests he had. He was on the Joe Rogan show.

497
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He was on a few other little things kind of promoting it. And with that, in my notes,

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I conclude with a photo of Robert Bigelow, which I'll put on the socials, hopefully,

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of him smiling nicely with a space background. And that's how we end this episode is of me looking

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at this picture. And you have many closing thoughts. I'm just wondering, did this change

501
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,800
your view at all of Robert Bigelow, either in a positive or a negative light? You know what,

502
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,640
I don't know that it changed. I think I was just like, hmm, that's the history. Okay. And it just

503
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kind of gave me a little bit more information on him. I don't think he's bad. I know for a while,

504
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you kind of thought he was a pretty great billionaire that's funding like sci fi research.

505
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Yeah, I think he's pretty cool doing that. But also at the same time, like, what is actually

506
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coming from him? Yeah, exactly. No, it has an interest in it. And he's taking all of that

507
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:46,160
information for himself. He's not really doing anything with it. Exactly. And when you look at

508
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,680
like what he did with Skinwalker Ranch, he learned nothing and just kind of turned a profit on selling

509
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:58,320
it. Yeah. But he also says that he has pictures that he has that prove something, but didn't do

510
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anything with that. Yeah. Plus, he's probably making all that money from George Knapp writing

511
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,200
that book on it. Yeah. Well, and that's a bunch of media stuff on it. I think it's just kind of

512
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that billionaire mindset where it's like at the end of the day, even if you made all that money

513
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,720
to do a certain thing, like you have to corrupt yourself to make that much money and you kind of

514
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,960
destroy the whole purpose of it. Yeah. I never thought of it that way. So I'm glad that we're

515
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,600
here to discuss this as we're always here as Journey to the Fringe to discuss these things.

516
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And you're right, because at the end of the day, he's out for himself. He's not out there to better

517
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anything really. And everything he kind of touched just kind of dissolved into nothingness and didn't.

518
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Because he either got bored or wasn't making money. Got bored. Yeah. He didn't really. Yeah,

519
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,080
I don't know that he at the end of this, I can say that he really, I came away being like, wow,

520
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:57,440
he contributed to this. But he did even Beam, like anybody can go through copyrights and be like,

521
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I'll just make this idea. If I had enough money, I could skim through or I could pay somebody,

522
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:09,920
several people to skim through NASA, the Pentagon for things that they have patented that they're

523
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not doing and say, hey, let's just take that. Just to say that you had your hand in it and you

524
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can fund it. Yeah. So I guess that's the takeaway. We didn't really get, I was impressed at 12 that

525
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he was like, I'm not that good at math, but I want to do something in space. Yeah, but no,

526
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:32,000
if you look at, if you look at billionaires biographies, they always have this like,

527
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,880
like from a young age, they were destined to do this. The one I'm seeing it with right now,

528
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Chelsea, I know you listened to Behind the Bastards. They just did Sam Bankman Freed from FTX.

529
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And they have that little like cult of personality behind him and how like he talks about from a

530
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,640
young age that he was destined for greatness and his whole, he needs to make a lot of money to do

531
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,920
good in the world. And like all he ended up doing was defrauding everybody. And I should say sorry,

532
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,240
allegedly defrauding everybody because the suit's still in court. But you know,

533
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:09,280
who else was destined for great things? Charles Manson. Yeah. Well, I don't know if he was

534
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:17,120
destined. He did things. He did. Large in nature. He knew that he was destined for greatness. And

535
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,400
so there's also that. Yeah. Considered the billionaires. Yeah. And let's face it,

536
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,840
if he were to have actually been a billionaire when he did those things,

537
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,880
the biography would look very different. It really, really would. It would look very,

538
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,560
very different. Incredibly. You bring up a very nice point on that. Yeah. That's the story of

539
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:43,680
Robert Glow. Well, thank you for bringing that to us, Chelsea. I don't know whether or not to call

540
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,600
him an asshole of the UFO community. I think enigmatic is the best way to describe it. Being

541
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somebody that you can't fully understand for we are not rich enough to do that. That's true.

542
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:02,400
That's an interesting character. I look forward to doing more of these spotlights on people because

543
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,040
they're always weird when it comes to this group. Yeah. But anyhow, that's probably a great place to

544
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end this off. I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank

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you all for listening and we'll see you next week. See? Thank you for listening to Journey to the

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