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Okay, this is an article on The Guardian.

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It was published on February 10th, 2022, and it is written by one Nina Lacani.

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One in three Americans have detectable levels of toxic weed killer in their body.

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Study finds.

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Human exposure to the herbicide 2-4-D has substantially risen amid expanding use among

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farmers despite a multitude of health and environmental concerns, according to the first

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nationally representative study evaluating the footprint of the chemical.

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The herbicide was developed in the mid 1940s and quickly became the go-to weed killer for

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farmers, focusing on increasing crop yields while also gaining popularity among gardeners

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looking for a pristine lawn.

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Its popularity dipped in favor of Roundup and genetically modified cotton and soybean

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resistance to this herbicide, but it has seen a resurgence since the spread of Roundup-resistant

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weeds have been found.

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2-4-D is currently riding high thanks to this whack-a-mole approach to pest control and

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industrialized farming, with about 600 U.S. agricultural and residential products now containing

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the chemical, which can be ingested through the skin, mouth, and nose.

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Who would have thought?

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Who would have thought that it's more than just having to fully eat the entire thing?

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Researchers from George Washington University examined the urine sample of 14,395 people

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aged 6 and older from all walks of life who take part in the annual National Health and

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Nutrition Examination Survey.

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They looked for biomarkers to the pesticide and compared the exposure levels detected

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from the use of 2-4-D from 2001 to 2014.

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As the pesticide grew in popularity among farmers and gardeners, so did evidence of

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human exposure rising from a low 17% in 2001 to a high of almost 40% a decade later.

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Whoa.

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I'm just going to skip ahead a bit.

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A further study must determine how rising exposure to 2-4-D affects human health, especially

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when exposure occurs early in life, said Melissa Perry, professor of environmental and occupational

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health and senior author of the paper.

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Children and other vulnerable groups are also increasingly exposed to other pesticides and

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these chemicals may act synergistically to produce health problems.

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The study also found that black participants who multiple previous studies have shown to

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have higher exposure to all sorts of environmental pollutants showed signs of lower exposure

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to the weed killer than white Americans.

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This may be a result of historically racist policies restricting access to homes with

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gardens and green spaces for black communities, the researcher argued.

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And overall, the use of 2-4-D increased by 67% from 2012 to 2020, which wasn't even a

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group that they were testing.

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It was from 2001 to 2014.

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So even higher now.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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I mean, you got to have a nice garden.

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Apparently.

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You got to.

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At the risk of cancer and anything else that it might do to you.

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You got to.

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For the garden.

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For the garden, we should all die.

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I think it's reasonable.

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Nobody wants weeds.

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And with that, I think we've bummed you all out enough to actually start a fun episode.

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a Journey to the Fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe.

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The only podcast brave enough not to assume a cryptic gender identity.

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Don't believe us?

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Look back, please, at our episodes, most specifically our Mothperson episodes.

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We are your unassuming hosts, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today we're doing a bit of a follow up on an episode that in itself was a follow

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up.

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Now, Chelsea did the Mon Talk episode not that long ago.

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And there was kind of like a one-off sentence that kind of set my research mind abuzz.

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It was specifically about Project Phoenix and its relationship with Orgo and Energy,

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which didn't really mean that much at the time.

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It was really literally a sentence that I said, I'm not going to tell you anything else.

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Yeah.

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Too complicated.

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You already had an interest in it, right?

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Yeah, I've heard it enough that and I didn't really know what it was that I decided it

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was time to actually take that look.

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And my God is the history of this thing crazy.

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Great.

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Because I know nothing about it.

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It turns out most of this episode actually isn't about Orgo and Energy itself, but its

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main researcher.

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So you might not leave knowing much more about Orgo and Energy.

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We're never going to know anything about Orgo and Energy.

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But you're going to know enough about Orgo and Energy.

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And if you even look at the Wiki page, I didn't really know what Orgo and Energy was just

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from the Wiki page.

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It's pretty short.

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It's pseudoscience and that's about where it leaves it off.

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Where you really need to go is you need to go look at the original researcher by the

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name of Wilhelm Reich.

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That's what we're going to be doing.

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We're going to start this episode off.

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I'm going to give you the briefest definition I can of what Orgo and Energy is.

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And then we're going to look at who Wilhelm Reich is because it is absolutely paramount

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to knowing why this gets brought up and just how bizarre it is.

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He's paramount.

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He is absolutely the key to all of this.

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So there's no Orgon without?

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Yeah, the trail starts at Wilhelm Reich, if you will.

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What is Orgo and Energy to keep it as simple as possible?

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It is a massless omnipresent substance similar to like the ether that people talk about or

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chi, but more closely associated with living energy than with inert matter.

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It could also allegedly coalesce to create organization on all scales from absolutely

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tiny atoms in what they call bions in Orgo and Theory to macroscopic structures as big

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as clouds or even galaxies at the absolute biggest level.

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Wilhelm Reich, unfortunately, never lived to the day where he could study Orgo and Level

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on the galactic level.

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So that one's still a mystery.

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I feel like we're still probably not there, but that's just an assumption at this point.

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We're still in our infancy in Orgo and Energy.

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Just a total assumption on my behalf on that one.

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The thing that I've always associated, I don't know if you've ever seen this, Chelsea, it's

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a box that just has a chair in it for people to sit and they close it.

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I am familiar with it because I am looking at it currently.

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So that's an Orgo and Accumulation chamber.

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And I've seen it before and I'm always like, what is it accumulating?

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I don't know.

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And like, it doesn't hook up to anything.

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It's just a box.

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No.

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And it has reflective matter on the inside?

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Kind of.

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We might get into it.

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So is this like Bitcoin?

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No, you don't get money from it.

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You might potentially not get cancer, but that is a heavily disputed thing.

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It's even hard to say what Wilhelm Reich said about it.

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With all the gardening going on in this day and age.

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You might as well just sit inside a chamber.

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You're probably healthier inside a chamber of metal and other products.

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Who is this Wilhelm Reich character?

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There are a few things I'm going to say that just sound weird.

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Why am I including this?

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A few paragraphs after I say it is going to make sense.

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Especially this one here.

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Wilhelm Reich was born in 1897 into a wealthy family in what would now be Ukraine.

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Although this was all written pre-Russian war with them.

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So I don't know where in Ukraine it was and whether or not it's still in the hands of

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Ukraine.

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He lost his virginity at the age of 11 to a family cook and to have visited a brothel

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at age 15.

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Yes, it is paramount to the story.

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After serving in the Austro-Hungarian army in World War I, he studied medicine in Vienna

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when he heard of a seminar on sex being given by Sigmund Freud.

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That man that we all know, Sigmund Freud.

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What is going on?

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Yeah, this is how it starts.

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Wilhelm Reich goes and visits Sigmund and he's like, hey, I love your work.

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Can I get a reading list?

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I need to know where I need to advance to help get to where you are.

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And they just immediately are like, oh yeah, we both really care an awful lot about weird

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sex stuff.

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So we're going to be friends now.

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So these two are just friends now.

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And in fact, kind of work buddies now, like it just happens.

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Freud began referring patients to him and Reich started developing his own theories,

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becoming convinced of the power of sexual healing.

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Honestly, if this is where he decided to stop his research, he would probably be remembered

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somewhere on the level of Freud, probably closer to like Carl Jung or Carl Jung.

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So he would have been a highly respected psychotherapist of his day.

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He actually had some interesting theories that he worked with.

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This not being necessarily one of them, but this is a direct quote from one of his books.

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If undischarged sexual energy caused neurosis, mightn't it follow that the discharge of

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sexual energy was in itself a healing force?

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He wrote this in the book, The Function of the Orgasm in 1926.

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And he was convinced that good quality sexual climaxes promoted physical health.

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When Reich gave Freud a copy of The Function of the Orgasm, the skeptical older man Freud

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muttered that thick, eh?

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And the pair would eventually fall out over their differing views.

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In a letter to another psychoanalyst, Freud referred to Reich as the impetus young man

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passionately devoted to his hobby horse, who now salutes in the genital orgasms the antidote

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to every neurosis.

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When Freud later developed cancer, Reich regarded it as a result of sexual frustration.

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He got mouth cancer from smoking cigars.

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This is also where he probably came up with like his biggest claim to fame as a psychotherapist.

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Reich proposed that muscular armor was a defense that contained the history of the patient's

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trauma.

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For example, he blamed Freud's jaw cancer on his muscular armor rather than his smoking.

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Freud's Judaism meant he was biting down impulsively rather than expressing his emotions.

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Dissolving the armor would bring back the memory of childhood repression that had caused

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the blockage in the first place.

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As a psychotherapist, he had a lot of ideas of like, we need to sit down with these people

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and actually talk with them, not just let them talk themselves to an answer.

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We need to ask them questions, give them responses.

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He was big on facing them, like face to face.

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And then on the weirder end of his muscular armor thing, he also believed in like physically

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touching patients to help them get past their muscular arm, which might be massaging in

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certain places.

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It does make sense though, like nervous kicks, you can talk about it and there might be something

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to it where it comes from.

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And that's kind of where the idea of muscular armor comes from insight is psychoanalytical

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view.

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Does that make sense?

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A little.

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Must touch the patients.

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Yeah, let's touch the patients and get past it.

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And I'm just going to state it now, it ends up to a lot of claims of sexual assault in

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his clinics, not necessarily by him, but people working under him.

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But I just need to get that out of the way because I didn't include the part at the end

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where there's just a ton of kids.

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And we're just going to get past that part.

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Also on top of that, he was living in what would be that time, the mid twenties Germany.

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Also he claimed to be a developed Marxist.

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He argued that the proletariat was so politically impotent because the workers were sexually

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repressed revolution.

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Right claim could only happen in an uninhibited release of sexual urges.

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With that being said, developed Marxist, a lot about sex.

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Hitler comes to power and he's like, this, this doesn't look good for me.

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They're already cracking down on anybody who is not following gender conforming views,

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sexual conforming views.

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Maybe I need to get the fuck out of here.

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So he gets on a train and he heads to Norway.

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He leaves his first wife behind and he continues the research.

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I didn't look too much at that part just because it's not as crazy as the other stuff this

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guy does.

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It's not, but he just like, see ya.

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He loves her his entire life, but he ends up having to leave her in Germany and he heads

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to Norway.

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Weird tidbit.

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Another weird tidbit.

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And this in Norway, by the way, this is all on his Wikipedia page.

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Like I went to a few outside sources to look at everything, but the conspiracy stuff is

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just batshit insane.

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So you have to stick with the Wikipedia page and make sure that it all makes sense together.

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In Norway, he starts to continue on a path of research that he was already on, but this

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is where Orgone really starts to come into light.

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So while in Norway, as part of his biome research, Reik undertook extensive microscopic observations

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of living cancer tissue.

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He concluded that tumor formation involves a process of bionis, tissue disintegration,

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and reorganization into amoeboids, cancer cells similar to the natural organization

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of protozoa.

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He had previously observed in pain fusions.

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Reik was also able to isolate a specific pathogenic type of bion that he called the P. bacillus

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from cancer tissue.

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Reik also integrated insight derived from his clinical work in the study of cancer and

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in his own clinical work with cancer patients, he frequently noted a characterological resignation

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and shallow breathing.

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In this context, he recognized the importance of Otto Warburg's earlier findings of reduced

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aerobic respiration in cancer tissue.

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And I just need to say this part onwards for a little while comes right from an Orgone

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Institute website.

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There are still people who talk about this stuff a lot.

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During his medical research on cancer, Reik developed a series of blood and tissue tests

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that were employed both for early diagnosis and to follow the patient's progress during

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treatment.

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The three Reik blood tests consisted of one, the microscope test, which measures the rate

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of bionis disintegration of erythrocytes, red blood cells in physiological saline and

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determines whether or not they disintegrate into blue PA biomes or T bacilli.

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Two, the autoclave test, which assesses the cohesiveness of enthorocytes following sterilization

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in an autoclave and three, the blood culture test in which an attempt is made to culture

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T bacilli in bacteriological broth.

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Reik also employed the examination of unsustained live specimens of sputum or vaginal secretions

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in order to detect precancerous or cancerous cells.

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This is where he discovers Orgone energy.

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I just had to keep that in there because I didn't want to just go right into it.

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I wanted to show he's at least doing some research and it is at least sounds fancy.

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So it did sound rather fancy.

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In 1939, Reik found that biomes prepared from ocean sand, SAPA biomes, had unusual radiant

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energy properties, including luminescence in the dark, fogging of photographic plates

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and reddening of skin exposed through quartz glass.

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The finding that they could induce a charge on organic materials that would register on

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an electroscope led him to call the radiation Orgone energy.

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In an attempt to isolate this radiation, Reik enclosed the SAPA biome cultures in a modified

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Faraday cage.

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A Faraday cage is basically a box that you could build that keeps electromagnetic waves

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out.

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You can build these.

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These are very real things.

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Like you can't use your phone inside them.

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If you've ever seen Better Call Saul, Saul's brother lives in a fairly large Faraday cage

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because he's scared of electricity.

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But was surprised to find that the radiant energy phenomenon persists without the cultures.

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After a series of observations and experiments, which continued in the United States where

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Reik reestablishes their laboratory in late 1939, he came to the conclusion that Orgone

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energy was also present in the surrounding atmosphere and could in fact be concentrated

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by an apparatus such as his modified Faraday cage, which consisted of a galvanized iron

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box surrounded by an organic material such as wood, wool, or fiberboard.

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This apparatus, the Orgone energy accumulator, was then further modified to increase its

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effects and extensively employed by Reik in both physical and biological investigations.

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Reik made the remarkable discovery that a slight temperature difference called TOT existed

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between Orgone energy accumulators and a control cabinet lacking metal, but with similar insulating

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properties.

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A difference which exhibited a diurinal variation increased in fair weather and decrease in

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rainy weather or high humidity.

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He also found that the discharge rate of charged electroscopes was much slower inside an Orgone

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accumulator than in a control box or in an open air area.

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And also that the electroscope discharge rate exhibited a diurinal variation and responded

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to changes in the weather similar to TOT.

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Several studies replicating these original findings have been published and the interested

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readers referred to the bibliography.

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We'll link the website in our summary just so people can go there if they feel like it.

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So that's basically what he found.

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You could find temperature variations inside of Orgone accumulation chamber that he had

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built versus outside it.

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And he felt that it was helping stop cancer from growing inside the Orgone.

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And this was just a feeling he had at this point.

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Well, he did studies on it.

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They say these are backed with things, but if you keep listening, you're going to learn

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a bit more.

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Okay, I'll do that.

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Like we saw from his earlier life, Reik really believed, like he had an obsession with sexuality.

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So he believed Orgone was closely associated with sexuality.

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Reik following Freud saw nascent sexuality as the primary energetic force of life.

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The term itself, Orgone, was chosen because it had the root word orgasm combined with

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the root word ozone.

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So Orgone, orgasm ozone.

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The focus on sexuality, while acceptable in the clinic perspective of Viennese psychoanalytical

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circles, scandalized the conservative American public even as it appealed to counterculture

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figures around the world.

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This guy inspired quite a few of the hippies, especially the writers in those days.

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Also strangely enough, came up with the term sexual revolution.

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He did?

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Yeah, he is credited with coming up with that term.

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Interesting.

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Once this is all done, basically a professor came over and listened to a lecture he was

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giving in Norway from, I believe it was the New School in New York.

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I didn't write it down right here.

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I think it comes up later, but they come over and they're like, my God, you have such unique

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ideas.

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You need to come over to the US.

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So they bring him over, they get him a teaching position at a university and he comes over

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and he's like, perfect.

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This is the perfect place to start marketing and selling my Orgone accumulation chambers.

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So in 1940, when he moves to the States, he began to build insulated Verity cages, he

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called Orgone accumulators, that he said would concentrate the Orgo.

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The earliest boxes were for laboratory animals.

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First human sized five foot tall boxes were built in December of 1940 and set up in the

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basement of his house, it was made of plywood lined with rock, wool and sheet iron and had

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a chair inside and a small window.

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The box had multiple layers of these materials, which caused the Orgone concentration inside

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the box to be three to five times stronger than in the air, Reich said, and patients

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were expected to sit inside them naked.

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I don't know if my professor said, hey, you need to come over to my basement, get naked

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and get inside this box.

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It sounds like all sorts of stuff.

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I'm going to sign up for that research.

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So the accumulators were tested on plant growth in mice with cancer.

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Reich wrote to his supporters in July of 1941, that Orgone is definitely able to destroy

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cancer in the room.

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This is proved by the fact that tumors in all parts of the body are disappearing or

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diminishing.

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No other remedy in the world can claim such a thing.

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Although not licensed to practice medicine in the United States, he began testing the

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boxes on human beings diagnosed with cancer and schizophrenia.

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In one case, the test had to be stopped prematurely because a subject heard a rumor that Reich

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was insane.

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There were stories which were false that he had been hospitalized in the Utica State Mental

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Hospital.

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In another case, the father of an eight-year-old girl with cancer approached him for help,

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then complained to the American Medical Association he was practicing without a license.

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He asked his supporters to stick with him through the criticism, believing that he had

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developed a grand unified theory of physical and mental health.

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These are a bit of the claims.

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The therapeutic effects of the Orgone energy accumulator were nothing short of miraculous.

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In severe cases of burns, a pamphlet on the device claimed, Experiences have revealed the

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amazing fact that no blisters appear and that the initial redness slowly disappears.

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The wounds heal in a matter of a few hours.

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Severe ones need a day or two.

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The box's concentration of Orgone can even sterilize wounds plus treat colds, arthritis,

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ulcers, and yes, even cure cancer if caught in its early stages.

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There's no evidence that Reich actually made a pamphlet that said that, but there were

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pamphlets that said that out.

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And then in 1940, Wilhelm Reich wrote a letter to Albert Einstein because he thought he had

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such good ideas, saying that he had a scientific discovery he wanted to discuss.

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And in January of 1941, he visited Einstein in his home in Princeton.

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Like this guy was that well known that Einstein actually felt like he at least had to humor

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the guy with a visit, where they both talked for nearly five hours.

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He told Einstein that he had discovered a specific biologically effective energy, which

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behaves in many respects differently to all that is known about electromagnetic energy.

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He said it could be used against disease and as a weapon in the fight against the fascist

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pestilence.

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Einstein agreed that if an object's temperature could be raised without apparent heating source,

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as Reich was suggesting, it would be a quote unquote bomb.

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And that was like the claim that was biggest about the Orgone accumulation chamber is that

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it was able to raise the ambient temperature in it as opposed to everything else around

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it without any energy source.

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It should be impossible.

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Like you shouldn't just be able to raise temperature willy nilly.

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You need an input energy.

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And that's why if it's true, Einstein said this would go against a lot of what's going

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on or at least in our research in physics.

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So we're humans create like living beings create this energy, right?

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Everything creates it.

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I didn't quite put the quote, but he says that the aurora borealis northern lights,

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that's Orgone energy.

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He gets to it eventually, weather is made by Orgone energy.

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It's inside us.

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It creates our happiness, our good feelings.

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It's just something that's in the universe.

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It's inert.

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It's like chi, it's ether that flows through.

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It's life force.

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So it's not the fact that you're in an insulated container and it's like body heat

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reflecting back or something like that?

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No.

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Reich was much encouraged by the meeting and hoped he would be invited to join Princeton's

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Institute for Advanced Studies.

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During their next meeting, he gave Einstein a small accumulator and over the next 10 days,

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Einstein performed experiments with it in his basement, which involved taking the temperature

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above inside and near the devices, stripping it down to a spare occasion to compare temperatures.

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He observed an increase of temperature, which Reich argued was caused by Orgone.

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One of Einstein's assistants pointed out that the temperature was lower on the floor

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than on the ceiling.

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And Einstein concluded that the effect was simply due to the temperature gradient inside

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the room.

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Through these experiments, I regard the matter as completely solved, he wrote to Reich on

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February 7th, 1941.

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So Einstein gets ahold of this and says, dude, you just don't understand how temperature

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works apparently.

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Like it's just going to be warmer higher up than near the ground.

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Simple as that.

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Reich responded with a 25 page letter in which he tried to change Einstein's mind.

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To rule out the influence of convection, he told Einstein that he had taken certain measures,

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including introducing a horizontal plate above the accumulator, wrapping it in a blanket,

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hanging it from the ceiling, putting it underground and placing it outside.

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He wrote that in all these circumstances, the temperature difference remained and it

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was in fact more marked in the open air.

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Einstein did not respond to this or to Reich's future correspondence, and Reich would write

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regularly reporting the results of his experiments until Reich threatened three years later to

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publish their previous exchange.

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Einstein replied that he could not devote any further time to the matter and asked that

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his name not be misused for advertising purposes.

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Reich believed that Einstein's change of heart was part of a conspiracy of some kind

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and perhaps related to the communists or prompted by that rumor that Reich was ill.

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And Reich published the correspondence in 1953 as the Einstein affair.

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He starts to get a little crazy at this point.

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Reich lost his position at the New School in 1941 after writing to the director Alvin

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Johnson to say he had saved several lives in secret experiments with the accumulator.

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Again, he's not supposed to be practicing medicine, so the New School is going to be

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getting into trouble for this.

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And they don't want to be associated with this guy who's illegally practicing medicine.

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So Johnson was aware of Reich's claims that he could cure cancer and told him the New

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School was not an appropriate institution for the work.

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Reich was evicted from his house on Kessel Street, which I didn't bring up, but his

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original house after his neighbors complained about the animal experiments going on inside

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it.

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However, his supporters, including one, Walter Briel, gave him $14,000 to buy a new house

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and he settled into a new one.

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Things get a little heated on December 12, 1941, five days after the attack on Pearl

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Harbor and a day after Germany declared its war on the US.

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Reich was arrested in his home at 2 a.m. by the FBI and taken to Ellis Island, where he

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was held for three weeks.

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At the time, a lot of Germans were arrested because they thought they were sympathetic

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to the German war movement.

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He clearly wasn't, and it actually was a case of mistaken identity.

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But this did make him even more paranoid than he was before.

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So he gets a little crazier after this.

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In November of 1942, Reich purchases an old farm for $4,000 in Dodge Pond, Maine, near

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Wrangley with 280 acres of land.

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He called it Organon.

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And he started spending summers there and had a one-room cabin built in 1943, a laboratory

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in 1945, and a larger cabin in 1946, and finally an observatory in 1948.

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In 1950, he decided to live there year-round and in May that year moved from New York with

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his son Peter, his wife Ilsa, who is his second wife, and Reich's daughter Eva with the idea

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of creating a center for the study of Orgon.

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Several colleagues moved there with him, including two physicians with an interest in Orgon and

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Lois Wevel, who ran the Orgon Press Institute.

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The artist, William Moyes, joined Reich as an assistant at Organon and later married

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Eva Reich, his daughter.

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Organon still houses the Wilhelm Reich Museum, so you can go there if you want.

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I don't know what's actually there.

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I didn't look at anything on it.

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And as well as a holiday cottage available to rent, one of which is the cottage in which

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Wilhelm himself lived.

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There's a unique Airbnb experience.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I wonder how many weird chambers there are in that building.

477
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,640
Yeah, probably a lot.

478
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,080
It's going out on a limb.

479
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,480
While he's doing all this stuff in Organon, his reputation took a sudden downturn in April

480
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:38,240
of 1947 when articles were posted by one Mildred, Eddie Brady, in Harper's and the New Republic.

481
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,560
In the latter one, the New Republic was entitled The Strange Case of Wilhelm Reich.

482
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,880
With the subhead, the man who blames both neurosis and cancer on unsatisfactory sexual

483
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,320
activities has been repudiated by only one scientific journal.

484
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Brady's ultimate target was not Reich, but psychoanalysts, which according to Turner,

485
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,780
she saw as akin to astrology.

486
00:25:57,780 --> 00:25:59,680
But she specifically wrote about Reich,

487
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Orgone, named after the sexual orgasm, is according to Reich a cosmic energy.

488
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320
It is in fact the cosmic energy.

489
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Reich has not only discovered it, he has seen it, demonstrated it, and named a town Organon,

490
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,320
Maine, after it.

491
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Here he builds accumulators of it which are rented out to patients who presumably derive

492
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440
orgasmic potency from it.

493
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,440
She claimed falsely, however, that he had said the accumulators would cure not only

494
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,800
impotence but cancer.

495
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Brady argued that the growing Reich cult had to be dealt with.

496
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,520
And it's at this point that the FDA gets an eye on Reich and he gets even more paranoid

497
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,460
because people start coming by and asking him questions about what he's actually doing.

498
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:41,760
His paranoia gets a little further and Reich and his second wife, Ilsa, divorce in September

499
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,760
of 1951.

500
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,360
Here's the story about it.

501
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,900
Essentially, because he thought she had an affair, she continued working with him for

502
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,620
another three years.

503
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:53,740
Even after he divorced, he suspected her of having affairs and persuaded her to sign

504
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:57,840
confessions about her feelings of fear and hatred towards him, which he locked away in

505
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,360
the archives of his Orgone Institute.

506
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:05,800
He wrote several documents denouncing her while having an affair himself with Lois Weville,

507
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560
who ran the Orgone Institute Press.

508
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Like the two women in his life.

509
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,480
While this is all going on though, Reich said he had discovered another type of energy that

510
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,560
he called dead-orgon radiation, or D.O.R., a cumulation of which played a role in desertification.

511
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,600
He designed a Cloudbuster row 15-foot aluminum pipes mounted on a mobile platform connected

512
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,000
to cables that were inserted into water.

513
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,960
He believed that it could unblock orgone energy in the atmosphere and cause rain.

514
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Turner described it as an orgone box turned inside out.

515
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,560
He conducted dozens of experiments with the Cloudbuster, calling his research Cosmic Orgone

516
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,560
Engineering.

517
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,520
During a drought in 1953, two farmers in Maine offered to pay him if he could make it rain

518
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
to save their blueberry crop.

519
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Reich used the Cloudbuster on the morning of July 6, and according to Banger's Daily

520
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,080
News based on an account from an anonymous eyewitness who was probably his son, Peter

521
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,320
Reich, rain began to fall that evening.

522
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,480
The crop survived, the farmers declared themselves satisfied, and Reich received his fee.

523
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,560
However, over the years the FDA interviewed physicians, Reich students, and his patients

524
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,400
asking about the Orgone Accumulator.

525
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,600
I love this quote.

526
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,960
I tried, there's a hyperlink in the wiki, but I couldn't get to the actual FDA document.

527
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,960
But I just love this.

528
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,880
A professor at the University of Oregon, not to be confused with Orgone, who bought an

529
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,320
accumulator told the FDA inspector that he knew the device was phony, but found it helpful

530
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,040
because his wife sat quietly in it for four hours every day.

531
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,600
It just keeps going on and on with glorious things.

532
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,000
Oh yeah, it doesn't do shit, but it keeps her quiet.

533
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000
I just love that.

534
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000
It's like getting your kids video games.

535
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Yeah, I know it doesn't help them, but it shuts them up for a while.

536
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,560
The attention of the FDA triggered a belligerent response from Reich, who called the FDA Higgs,

537
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,760
which stood for hoodlums in government, and the tools of red fascists.

538
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,640
He developed delusions that he had powerful friends in the government, which included

539
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,580
President Eisenhower.

540
00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:00,580
No idea why.

541
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:02,680
There's no communications between them.

542
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Who he believed would protect him, and that the US Air Force was flying over Orgonen to

543
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760
make sure that he was all right.

544
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,240
On July 29, 1952, three inspectors arrived at Orgonen unannounced.

545
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Sheriff Wright said that Reich detested unannounced visitors.

546
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,760
He had once chased some people away with a gun just for looking at an adjacent property.

547
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,400
He told the inspectors they had to read his work before he would interact with them and

548
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160
ordered them to leave.

549
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,680
And I don't know if it worked or not, but there's a two year gap now.

550
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,000
In 1954, the United States Attorney for the District of Maine filed a 27 page complaint

551
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,320
seeking a permanent injunction under Section 301 and 302 of the Federal Food, Drug, and

552
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Cosmetics Act to prevent interstate shipment of Orgon Accumulators and ban promotional

553
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,840
literature.

554
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Reich refused to appear in court, arguing that no court was in a position to evaluate

555
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,840
his work, and in a letter to John D. Clifford Jr., the judge, he wrote,

556
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,500
My factual position in this case, as well as in the world of science of today, does

557
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:04,020
not permit me to enter the case against the Food and Drug Administration.

558
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:08,840
If such an action would, in my mind, imply admission of the authority of this special

559
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,120
branch of the government to pass judgment on my primordial pre-atomic energy, orgon

560
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,000
energy, I therefore rest the case in full confidence in your hands.

561
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,320
So naturally, his argument that this government body has no authority works with the judge

562
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,120
and he says nothing I can do.

563
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Just kidding, the injunction was granted by default on March 19th, 1954, merely one month

564
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,960
later, and the judge ordered that all accumulators, parts, and instructions be disparate, and

565
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,080
that several of Reich's books that mentioned Orgon be withheld.

566
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,400
The injunction triggered a further deterioration of Reich's mental health.

567
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,920
From at least early 1954, he came to believe that the planet was under attack by UFOs,

568
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,140
which he called energy alphas.

569
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:54,960
He said he often saw them flying over Orgonon, shaped like thin cigars with windows, leaving

570
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,760
streams of deadly black Orgon radiation in their wake, which he believed the aliens were

571
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,280
scattering to destroy the Earth.

572
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,520
He and his son would spend their nights searching for UFOs through telescopes and binoculars,

573
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,000
and sometimes when they believed they had found one, they would roll out a cloudbuster

574
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,960
to suck the energy out of it, the perceived or imagined UFO being the thing they're sucking

575
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,120
the energy out of.

576
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Reich claimed he had shot several of them down.

577
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,360
Armed with two cloudbusters, they fought what Reich called a full-scale interplanetary

578
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160
battle in Arizona, where he'd rented a house as a battle station.

579
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,160
The rumors were eventually true that he was insane.

580
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,720
In late 1954, Reich began an affair with Greta Hoff.

581
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,720
Hoff was married to another former student and patient of his, the psychologist Myron

582
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Sheriff, who decades later, with his fury on Earth, became Reich's main biographer.

583
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,040
So she wrote his biography eventually.

584
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,460
Hoff and Sheriff had had their first child the year before Hoff left in for Reich.

585
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:55,080
The marriage was never repaired, although the affair had ended by June of 1955.

586
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Two months later, Reich began another relationship, this time with Aurora Kerr, a medical researcher,

587
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,640
and in November, he moved out of Oregonon to an apartment in Albin Towers, Washington,

588
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,160
D.C. to live with her, using the pseudonym Dr. Walter Rohner.

589
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400
The crazier he gets, the more affairs he gets into.

590
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,880
I've noticed so many affairs.

591
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880
From this guy's full studies, like, it makes sense for the guy.

592
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,040
And he's so insane, and everybody wants to have an affair with him.

593
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,720
Oh, how many people have cloudbusters they can just show off?

594
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,720
That's true, that's true.

595
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,920
And he's got two of them that he can take to Nevada or Arizona.

596
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:34,040
However, while he was doing this battle in Arizona in May of 1956, one of his associates

597
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,600
sent an accumulator part through the mail to another state, which was in violation of

598
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040
the injunction that the FDA had put on him through the courts.

599
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,260
And specifically, this piece that was put through the mail was sent to an FDA inspector

600
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,660
posing as a customer requesting it.

601
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:53,440
So Reich and another associate, Dr. Michael Silvert, were charged with contempt of court.

602
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Reich appealed the lower-coast decision in October of 1956, but the Court of Appeals

603
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
upheld it in December of 11th of 1956.

604
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,360
He wrote several times to J. Edgar Hoover, who I'm sure he's come up on the show before,

605
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760
head of the FBI in the 40s and 50s.

606
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,520
He requested a meeting with him.

607
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,920
He never received a response.

608
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,280
And he appealed to the Supreme Court, which decided on February 25th, 1957, not to review

609
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,280
his case.

610
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,720
On March 12th, 1957, Reich and his colleague Silvert were sent to Danbury Federal Prison.

611
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Oh no.

612
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,120
Richard C. Hubbard, a psychiatrist who admired Reich, examined him on admission.

613
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,480
He recorded paranoia manifested by delusions of grandiosity, persecution, and ideas of

614
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,480
reference.

615
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,640
The patient feels that he has made outstanding discoveries.

616
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Gradually, over a period of many years, he has explained the failures of his ideas and

617
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,800
becoming universally accepted by the elaboration of psychotic thinking.

618
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,480
The Rockefellers, which he put sick beside because he said Rockefellers, are against

619
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,480
me.

620
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,560
This has been a delusion of grandiosity.

621
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,680
The airplanes flying over prison are sent by the Air Force to encourage me.

622
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,840
Ideas of reference and grandiosity.

623
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,000
On March 19th, Reich was transferred to the Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary and examined

624
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
again.

625
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
This time it was decided that he was mentally competent and his personality seemed intact,

626
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,720
though he might become psychotic when stressed.

627
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:12,800
A few days later, on his 60th birthday, he wrote to his son Peter, who was then 13.

628
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,800
I am in Lewisburg.

629
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,880
I am calm, certain in my thoughts, and doing mathematics most of the time.

630
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,400
I don't know who needs to say that.

631
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Is that what saying him does?

632
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,400
But I don't know.

633
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,920
Why include the math?

634
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,640
I am kind of above things, quote unquote, fully aware of what is up.

635
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Do not worry too much about me.

636
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Though anything might happen, I know, Pete, that you are strong and decent.

637
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,880
At first I thought that you should not visit me here.

638
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,060
I do not know.

639
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:42,480
With the world in turmoil, I now feel that a boy your age should experience what is coming

640
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,800
this way.

641
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,080
Fully digest it without getting a bellyache, so to speak, nor getting off the right track

642
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,720
of truth, fact, honesty, fair play, and being above board never a sneak.

643
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,240
Seems like a totally sane letter.

644
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,240
Yeah.

645
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,840
It starts off with F, so I mean.

646
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,320
Yeah, he's doing math.

647
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,320
All the time.

648
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Yeah.

649
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,320
Insane people don't do math.

650
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,320
That is a fact.

651
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,320
Oh no.

652
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,720
He then applied for presidential pardon to no avail, and Peter visited him in jail several

653
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,840
times, where one prisoner said Reich was known as the flying saucer guy and the sex box man.

654
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Which are apt.

655
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,840
Reich told Peter that he cried a lot, and wanted Peter to let himself cry too, believing

656
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,960
that tears are the great softener.

657
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,720
His last letter to his son was on October 22nd, 1957, when he said he was looking forward

658
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,600
to being released on November 10th.

659
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,280
He served one third of his sentence.

660
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,000
A parole hearing had been scheduled for a few days before that date, and he wrote that

661
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,840
he and Peter had a date for a meal at the Howard Johnson restaurant near Peter's school.

662
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:49,560
However, on November 3rd, 1957, Reich failed to appear for roll call and was found at 7am

663
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,540
in his bed fully clothed but for his shoes, and the prison doctor said that he had died

664
00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:57,720
during the night of myocardial insufficiency with sudden heart failure.

665
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,520
Just eight days until his release.

666
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Or at least supposed release.

667
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,240
He was buried in a vault at Organaude that he had asked his caretakers to dig in 1955,

668
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,080
and he had left instructions that there was to be no religious ceremony, but that a record

669
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,480
should be played by Schubert's Ava Maria, sung by Marianne Anderson, and that his granite

670
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,360
headstone should read simply, Wilhelm Reich, born March 24th, 1897, died dot dot dot, because

671
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200
he didn't know his death.

672
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,000
None of the academic journals really said anything about him or had an obituary for

673
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,440
him, but the Time magazines wrote on November 18th, 1957,

674
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Wilhelm Reich died at 60.

675
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Once famed psychoanalyst, associate, and follower of Sigmund Freud, founder of the Wilhelm Reich

676
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,760
Foundation, lately better known for his unorthodox sex and energy theories, died of a heart attack

677
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,220
in Lewisburg, Federal Penitentiary, Pennsylvania, where he was serving a two-year term for distributing

678
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:54,160
his invention, the Orgone Energy Accumulator, in violation of the FDA, a telephone boost-sized

679
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,040
device that supposedly gathered energy from the atmosphere and could cure while the patient

680
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,160
sat inside, common colds, cancers, and impotence.

681
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,040
That's the story of Wilhelm Reich and Orgone Energy.

682
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,000
What an incredible story.

683
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
That was something.

684
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:15,400
Now, I want to ask, was there any actual research done into whether this actually had healing

685
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,080
qualities?

686
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,520
There were two trains of thought in my research into this, and I didn't have enough time

687
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,200
to actually look into which one was correct.

688
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,880
The full believers in Orgone Energy say that there are papers out there that show these

689
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,360
things absolutely can cure many things.

690
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,280
There are some who say that it does show some signs that it can help.

691
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:42,080
I saw a paper that said that it was able to help the germination of seeds that were germinated

692
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,080
inside it.

693
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,080
Okay.

694
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Anything above that, they couldn't see.

695
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,200
And then there were people that found that there was nothing above placebo-level effects.

696
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,800
You would think that, I mean, placebo or not, it's still something, right?

697
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Well, yeah, but you could give a sugar pail instead of building a box for people to sit

698
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,760
in, unless you want four hours of privacy from your wife.

699
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Well, exactly.

700
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,380
I mean, that's enough.

701
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:04,380
Some people.

702
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:05,380
Yeah.

703
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:08,960
And especially when germinating seeds, I mean, how would that be a placebo effect?

704
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,280
It's pretty cut or dry.

705
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,320
It's not really...

706
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,480
And I could not look at the papers that actually cited that, so I'm not sure how official it

707
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,840
is that they did do that.

708
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,500
I can tell you that Albert Einstein laughed at it and said, it's pretty simple, the mistake

709
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,440
you made, and then never looked at it again.

710
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,680
And the guy's pretty credible.

711
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,480
That was my next question, because he pretty much just said you didn't account for it being

712
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,560
colder down below than up high, and then just kind of wrote it off.

713
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,720
But it doesn't seem like he looked at anything else.

714
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,760
Well, he studied it for 10 days and said that was the thing that was happening.

715
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,980
So I really don't know.

716
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:49,400
But I do know this guy is not taken seriously by anybody.

717
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,280
I could see why a little bit.

718
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,800
But him saying you didn't look at the temperature variance properly doesn't actually say there's

719
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120
no evidence that this is actually healing anything.

720
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Know what I mean?

721
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Yeah.

722
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,600
And I should also say, especially if you're looking at cancer treatment or any type of

723
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,800
medical treatment, you need to be very careful what you're actually looking at.

724
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,240
If something can cure cancer, it might be that you have some cancer cells in a petri

725
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,240
dish.

726
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:21,240
If you administer enough of anything to something just grown in a petri dish, it will die.

727
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,120
So just letting something live in a petri dish in a box likely could kill it.

728
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,220
So I haven't looked enough at what his actual studies were.

729
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:33,240
The turnaround was too tight and I'm not that well versed at reading medical research.

730
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,080
So I don't know if I'm the right person to do that.

731
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,840
Maybe we can talk to somebody someday who can actually read those for us and tell us

732
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,840
what's up.

733
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,120
But at this point, I'm comfortable saying that if nobody has taken this research seriously,

734
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,880
that there might be a reason for it.

735
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,880
Fair enough.

736
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,600
I really enjoyed the ride.

737
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,480
That was a really good one.

738
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,320
That was a nice biography.

739
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,640
And it's not done.

740
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,720
That's the biography, but there is more to it.

741
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:56,840
Oh, okay.

742
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,840
You know what was not mentioned at all in the entirety of that biography?

743
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,520
Any governmental work, like say on a project called Project Phoenix.

744
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,320
Oh, I didn't even remember.

745
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,360
In fact, he seemed to hate the government.

746
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Like at the end, he hated it.

747
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,400
Yeah, okay.

748
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
So how the hell did this guy get involved?

749
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,600
And I found a review of the Montag project by Preston Nichols.

750
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,680
The reviewer is a James D'Amelio, who is a PhD.

751
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,360
He has those extra letters behind his name.

752
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,840
Therefore his opinion holds some sort of level with us.

753
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,680
And I just need to read the whole of this review because I feel like it's going to

754
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040
shed some light on that episode as well.

755
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Okay, great.

756
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Let's shed some light onto it.

757
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,120
The author asserts that Wilhelm Reich played an important role.

758
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Chapter seven of the book titled Wilhelm Reich and the Phoenix Project identifies Reich's

759
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,120
discovery of Orgone energy, D-O-R, that's the dead Orgone energy, and other details

760
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,280
suggesting the author has studied Reich in some manner.

761
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,520
The author asserts Reich's atmospheric work was also followed by the US government officials

762
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,000
who with Reich's cooperation use his discoveries to develop the radio sound, a device sent

763
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,880
up in weather balloons for measuring upper atmospheric temperature, humidity and pressure.

764
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,000
However, the Montauk project presents the radio sound as a secret, reichian weather

765
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,120
control device developed in collusion with the US government.

766
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,000
A separate one page appendix titled Wilhelm Reich presents a few additional confused and

767
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,440
error filled paragraphs.

768
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,320
The author knows enough about Reich's work to use his terms such as Orgone and D-O-R

769
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,680
buster, which suggests the fabrications are not accidental.

770
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,560
The author cleverly accuses disbelievers and critics of his fantasy tale of engaging in

771
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,120
disinformation, which may be a Freudian slip for the motivation to include Reich in the

772
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,120
book.

773
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,920
For example, and this is a quote from the book, despite what disinformation you may

774
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,800
hear the government already knew that Reich could do and considered him a brilliant man.

775
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,320
They asked for his prototypes and he was happy to oblige them.

776
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Later the author asserts that the reichian weather control aspects of the radio spawn

777
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,480
are cleverly disguised in its electronics because of these precautions the secret was

778
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,800
maintained for over 40 years.

779
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,720
Of course there is not one shred of evidence behind these fairy tales, but no matter, the

780
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,840
book is filled with such paranoid confusion from start to finish.

781
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,480
To summarize my feelings about this book, it is mediocre science fiction, which he said

782
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,960
you could read it as.

783
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Yeah, that sounds like a great fact.

784
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,920
Yeah, oh and sorry that comes out.

785
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,080
The Philadelphia experiment for example is the least documented of any of the supposed

786
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,960
secret government research projects.

787
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,680
I recall reading about this experiment more than 30 years ago as a teenager in science

788
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,360
fiction paperback and comics.

789
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,000
The entire fabric of the story is woven from assertions by a few individuals who claim

790
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,080
to have inside knowledge which came to them after regaining previously blocked memories.

791
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,920
In an introductory passage the author admits the book is but an exercise of consciousness

792
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,440
and states the story is founded upon soft facts and grey facts in contrast to hard facts

793
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,280
backed by documentation.

794
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,560
And so by the author's own admission the Montauk project fails to document any of its

795
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:03,880
central premises regarding the reported strange experiments or the proposed role of Reich

796
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,400
or Tesla for that matter who does not open the book to apparently in any of it.

797
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,720
Having seen and weathered far more studied attempts to undermine Reich's solid research,

798
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,280
I can't get worked up about this book.

799
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,280
No scholar will take the book seriously because in addition to lacking documentation, the

800
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,200
author admits the disorientation, flights of fantasy, breaking with reality and open

801
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
involvement with psychoactive electronics.

802
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,880
My major annoyance is that growing numbers of laypeople who know nothing about Reich

803
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,120
are taking the book seriously.

804
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,760
It is becoming a hot item on the strangeness circuit.

805
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,360
Already I have received a dozen calls asking if the book is true.

806
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Several mail-ordered book catalogs devoted to unorthodox subjects also carry it alongside

807
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,360
other titles on bona fide subjects, letting an aura of legitimacy to it.

808
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,920
And recently the author Nichols has lectured to eager audiences at various free energy

809
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,280
or new age groups.

810
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,160
The Rimm Institute Center in Arizona also scheduled a workshop on time travel in the

811
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,400
alien presence with the following description in their catalog.

812
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,280
Quote, the Montauk Project has been called one of America's greatest modern mysteries.

813
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,600
The story began with the pioneering work of Wilhelm Reich and Nikola Tesla.

814
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,800
Took form in government-sponsored weather control experiments from the early 1940s and

815
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,080
crystallized in the ill-fated Philadelphia experiment on invisibility during World War

816
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,080
II.

817
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,680
The incredible story includes joint human-alien research, abduction and brainwashing, advanced

818
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,680
age regression techniques, psychics linked into Tesla technology, missing Nazi gold,

819
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,800
explorers lost forever in alternate worlds.

820
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,280
Nichols regained the blank memories of his role as chief technician for the project after

821
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,520
years of struggle.

822
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,040
And so the amazing story of Wilhelm Reich's secret government research spreads.

823
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,320
The author of The Montauk Project will likely find a warmer welcome on the public speaking

824
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,480
circuit than anyone who has only researched Reich's findings on fascism, sexuality and

825
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,240
biomes, organ accumulators, cloudbusters or other less spectacular subjects.

826
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,320
In fact, to satisfy the growing public's interest in this fairy tale, a second book,

827
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,840
Montauk Revisited, was recently released along with a video, Montauk Project Tour.

828
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,300
It is a strange social phenomenon indeed.

829
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:10,120
For those who have been emotionally touched and helped by Reich's discovery, who have

830
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,580
worked hard to keep the organomy clean of mystical distortions, delusions, fabrications

831
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:18,320
and hostile attacks, the book presents quite a challenge.

832
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,800
The public appears thirsty not for the difficult truths and facts developed in Reich's painstaking

833
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,880
research, but instead for whatever meager scraps of fantasy and mystical delusions which

834
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,360
can be conjured up to erode away those same hard facts.

835
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,720
Reich is more acceptable as the archetypical mad scientist or as part of a secret governmental

836
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,560
experiment, moving back and forth into other dimensions.

837
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,760
Perhaps this is to be expected from a popular culture addicted to violence, mysticism and

838
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,160
horror films, and it makes one wish Reich actually did develop a method for time travel

839
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,320
as there are a few people we'd like to tell were back to the stone age.

840
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,400
This guy seemed to quite like Reich so he's quite pissed off about how he's used, but

841
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,360
that's the only actual connection I could find between Reich and Montauk or Phoenix

842
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Project was that book.

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,720
Nobody else makes that connection.

844
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,880
That's hilarious.

845
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,640
So it was to just take the mysticism of the guy and add it into this other weird stuff.

846
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Which is also kind of partially how Tesla has the mystique he has today, but maybe we

847
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,640
could do a Tesla episode in the later days.

848
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,320
Yeah, I'm sure we could.

849
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,640
But yeah, that's Orgone energy and why it has to do with Montauk Project and Wilhelm

850
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,640
Reich.

851
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,320
One last thing, there were the proponents who really believed in Wilhelm Reich that

852
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,120
really came about the 1960s.

853
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,080
Like I said, the term sexual revolution comes from this man.

854
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,400
One of the big ones was William S. Burroughs who wrote A Naked Lunch.

855
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,400
Super weird book.

856
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,120
I believe it was one of the last books that was ever just outright banned in the United

857
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,120
States.

858
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,800
Here's a little paragraph I found about this.

859
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,640
William S. Burroughs was a major proponent of Orgone research, who often included it

860
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,440
as a part of the surreal imagery in his novels.

861
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Orgone interested Burroughs particularly because he believed that it could be used to ease

862
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,640
or alleviate junk sickness, a popular term for heroin withdrawal.

863
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,040
This fitted well in the context of his novels, which were usually narrative recreations of

864
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,080
his own experiences with narcotics and the beat life.

865
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,200
Burroughs explicitly compares kicking the habit to cancer in the novel Junkie and ties it

866
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,300
to the use of Orgone Accumulators.

867
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:19,600
At the time that Burroughs was writing, Orgone Accumulators were only available from Reich's

868
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Orgone Institute in New York.

869
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,720
Offered for a $10 per month donation, Burroughs built his own, instead substituting Rockwell

870
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,420
for the sheet iron, but believed it still achieved the desired effect.

871
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:35,280
So major influences through the 1960s believed in this man a lot.

872
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:41,200
So you really see a lot of his ideas and work kind of just being intermeshed with the 1960s

873
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,200
sexual revolution.

874
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,200
Interesting.

875
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,440
I really like this one.

876
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,560
This is a good one.

877
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,560
It was super weird.

878
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Like, did you expect that?

879
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Not one part of it.

880
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,840
No.

881
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,840
You know what?

882
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,800
I wish my biography would be this.

883
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,720
Like that was a pretty great biography.

884
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,800
I don't think that I could wish for anything more on a biography if it were me.

885
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Sadly, my life was taken another turn.

886
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,200
Where have I gone wrong?

887
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,120
If you want to learn more about Orgone Energy, there are definitely still websites out there

888
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,480
devoted to it where you can learn more.

889
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,160
There was specifically one webpage, the OrganomicScience.org, where you can learn about Orgone therapy.

890
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,240
I definitely tried to leave a lot of the sexual assault stuff out of this episode just because

891
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,440
we are already over an hour.

892
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,400
And that would have just added so much unneeded sadness to this otherwise interesting episode.

893
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Just keep in mind, if we're talking about Wilhelm Reich, there is a lot of sexual abuse

894
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
also.

895
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Okay, good to know.

896
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
At least alleged.

897
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,440
But yeah, that's what I got.

898
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Chelsea, anything to add?

899
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,440
No, I've added everything that I could think of.

900
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Okay.

901
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Well, with that, I bid you all an Orgonian adieu.

902
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,160
I am Taylor here, Chelsea.

903
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,560
We have been Journey to the Fringe.

904
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,360
Thank you all for listening and we will see you next week.

905
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,360
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906
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,360
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907
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,640
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909
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910
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911
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913
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:28,780
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914
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