Okay, so Chelsea there was a fairly important election in Brazil that happened in the last few weeks
Okay, Alula de Silva versus Bolsonaro. I think a fight they have yeah
It does and honestly if you go listen to their like debates, it's literally just insulting each other
So it was pretty great
Especially if you listen to it with the dubs because you know, I don't speak any Portuguese
So it doesn't help me to just see somebody profusely. That's true. It is quite nice
Sometimes though to just hear you know, like in other languages and yeah, Lula came out which is great news for the Amazon rainforest
But I learned something I had no idea about before this while I was learning about Brazil Chelsea
Have you ever heard of the Confederados? Oh, okay. This is going to be it does
It's a very weird subgroup in Brazil and I have found an article on it
I can't tell you the title just because it kind of gives it away
Okay, it was posted on history.com on June 22nd 2020 and it's about the US Civil War of all things
So by the time the Civil War ended in 1865 much of the South laid in ruins physically
economically and socially fears of Yankee reprisal and racial conflict
Herculated through society enslaved people had been freed Confederate President Jefferson Davis was imprisoned for William H
Norris a former Alabama State Senator and staunch Confederate. It was all too much to bear rather than rejoin the United States
He and his son traveled to southeastern Brazil in late
1865 and purchased about 500 acres of rolling hills and reddish soil that reminded them of Alabama
They then bought three enslaved workers planted cotton sent for the rest of the family and proceeded to live as if the Confederacy had
Not collapsed the Norris family was not alone in their desire to avoid Yankee rule in the decade after the Civil War
Roughly ten thousand and I've seen this number anywhere from three thousand to forty thousand
Southerners left the United States with the majority going to Brazil where slavery was still legal though hardships prompted most to come
Right back descendants of the so-called Confederados
Maintain a presence in Brazil even today amid the post Civil War chaos several countries tried to entice Southerners
Largely for political and agricultural reasons in Mexico
For example Emperor Maximilian the first soon to be executed before a firing squad ordered land and tax breaks and hired Confederate
Oceanographer Matthew Fontaine Mori to be his Imperial Commissioner of Immigration
the best incentives however came from Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro the second a
Confederate ally who had sheltered and supplied southern ships during the Civil War
he offered land to the Confederados for as little as
22 cents an anchor and subsidized their transport to Brazil provided temporary lodging upon arrival and promised them quick citizenship
And at times even personally greeted them as they disembarked
Much of the southern media opposed the Exodus as did Robert E Lee who believed all efforts should go towards rebuilding the South
But Dom Pedro counter-attacked by taking out advertisements in US newspapers
Meanwhile pro colonization Southerners produced glowing reports that portrayed Brazil as a tropical paradise
Of course when they got there, it was nothing like what they had been told
Dom Pedro seemingly had two main motives for luring in the Confederados the first of which was agricultural
He saw these people as bringing new technologies and new abilities in farming Brazil, which in fact they did what a target market
Yeah, this big market will bring it to Brazil
Yeah
And it's because Brazil didn't outlaw slavery for another I think about 30 years after the Confederacy fell
So they just moved there and continued their practice and they basically said these people know how to run slaves
So let's just get them to run our farms
What a terrifying vertical and they brought with them watermelons and pecans into their new country along with state-of-the-art plows
Furthermore, it was public policy in Brazil to whiten society by bringing in Europeans and European descended Americans at the time
Slave leader made legal in Brazil which over the course of its history imported more than ten times as many enslaved people as the United States
In fact, it did not ban the practice until 1888 becoming the last country in the Western Hemisphere to do so
Sorry is a little bit off on that 30 years, but it was a lot longer still and in 1865
They didn't even have an abolitionist movement in Brazil. So I found that crazy that that happened and
Chelsea I just need you to google image search Confederado Brazil festival. Oh, no, I want to
Yeah, it's just so bizarre to see
Federado
Brazil fest. Oh, no
Those are kids and that is modern-day. This is something that still lives on to this day
These people have why send it who are still practicing things and dressing up as Confederate soldiers
What's up with South America and like the Nazis went there?
Yeah
And Japanese people I still need to learn more about the southern Japanese
But there's a whole thing with that too just goes on it just gets more bizarre as I get older
What's going on in South America?
Something this is so this is terrifying
I just found it so crazy that I was learning about Brazil during the election and this is something that I learned about I
Never I had to share a thought that what happened to the people that didn't want to outlaw slavery
Yeah, of course, they're gonna go because they were basically I wouldn't say colonized
But the north basically came in and watched them with a fine-tooth comb
There's a few things that about their culture that really take on that security level that they had or I guess
Watchman level that they had over them and some of them just said nah
No, I really like that slave situation and we're gonna be treated like shit here. So let's just go to Brazil and yeah
They wanted to they wanted to whitewash the country. So they were on the same page. It's kind of we're all
Forfied. Yeah
I'm speechless. I'm speechless. Yeah, so um with that everybody
Please go google Confederado Brazil festivals and look at those pictures that come up like it is bizarre
It is really bizarre and there's a lot of kid pictures dressed up in garb. I guess we could call like yeah
And with that I think we can start the episode
From the unexplained to the mundane come join us on a journey to the fringe
Hello and welcome to journey to the fringe the place where animals get freaky at least from an investigatory point of view
We are your creepy animal behavior talking people Taylor and Chelsea here today talking about some cryptids
No, it has been a long time in the making so I actually can't remember it is a Chelsea episode and I can't remember
What her topic is so I'm gonna let her take it over from here. You got what you said, right?
Yeah, let everybody who's listening as well as Taylor who's also listening in on what my episode is about
I thought it was about time for another moth person episode. It's not by popular demand
It's just by my demand because I quite enjoy a good moth person episode
You're drawn to it like a person to a flame late. Yes any any light it could be any late and I love that person
I know in my previous Mothman episode moth person episode. Excuse me
It was the Chicago variety mentioned that there was a huge amount of sightings in the Lake Michigan area
Apparently not just of the moth person variety
I also learned that there's a lot of strange and unusual happenings going on in the area including flying humanoids
But also UFOs and orbs and things it just crazy stuff in particular going on
There's also like a Lake Michigan triangle. They have tried to listen to a podcast on it, but they're boring. Yeah, so I'm not gonna show
I'm so upset that like the triangle is the only
Paranormal shape unless you kind of get into the like Saturn death cults or the past Saturn's rings kind of group
Which then hexagon kind of becomes a paranormal shape but outside of that
It's just triangles you want to talk about any other shapes your shit out of luck
It's true. They should make it more interesting like by changing it up and stuff like that
I mean, there's a pentagram, but you never hear is that referred to as a spook no
I've never heard of the Alaskan pentagram unless you're talking about those gays that go to the park and sorry
I that I use that very slurry
But please go back and listen to Satanic panic at the daycare to kind of get that reference plus
It's a complicated shape. So yeah, it has many triangles in it
Yeah, we have to think something more naturally occurring like the don't think squares are naturally occurring
Oh, sometimes they are in like rock formations. Yeah, that's neither here. Also triangles don't really actually occur anywhere
That's true as well except in mysterious places. Yeah, maybe that's the thing
You know what? No, it is the least amount of work because you only have to find three connecting locations
That's true. You could find one and just circle back
No, if you're gonna go for any other shape like to get to get a surface area
You need three points minimum and everybody's just putting in the minimum work. No, you could circle it a city. That's paranormal
It's a minimum. Yeah, but then even then they're gonna they're gonna find a triangle in that city where all the paranormal shit happens
That's true. But then I guess
And it's cuz the triangle is the most paranormal shape of course
Because it's the most powerful shape
Yes, it is and the pointiest of shapes
The most dangerous there's so many points. Okay, so not only did I learn little something about triangles
Just now I also learned a little something while I was doing my research about geography in my research in this episode
Which is as much as I shouldn't admit this is that Chicago is directly on Lake Michigan
So technically included in the Lake Michigan Moppers and Domino. Hey, it's confusing. Why do they there's a there's a Lake Ontario in there, too
Why do that the great unless it's fully in Ontario? No, it's not included. It's just like the Lake Michigan area
Yeah, which is what Chicago's on?
It's stupid. We we do terrible jobs with our geography in Western Society. Yeah and naming stuff. Sometimes I'm okay at it
Yeah, the ones that really pissed me off actually sorry
Just I need to go on a naming tangent when you name something new and you also use another
Adjective inside there like new Westminster what just call it new minster
You don't need two adjectives in there. Yes, you do
No, and then there's New South Wales like no you don't need that just new Wales
And West
Minster I never thought about that before it bothers me so much
But there isn't a new minster, but there's a new West
Anyhow keep go ahead. Okay. Anyhow, that's why I was finding the same sightings for this original research
I guess but don't fret I have new and exciting sightings for you
I was that sounded weird together exciting sightings and just so you know the Chicago
Oh hair sightings are still going strong just in case you're wondering they're still happening
Also as a repeat if you've listened to the previous episode shout out to the awesome sources
I went back to for these encounters UFO clearing house as well as phantoms and monsters
So let's jump in first sighting I have is from a retired Milwaukee Fire Department slash medical services
Officer in reference to a fire rescue they were doing in Milwaukee
So the northwestern mutual south building in downtown Milwaukee was evacuated on the morning of Wednesday, November 26
2014 after smoke entered the building location was at
720 East Wisconsin around 8 a.m
And that triggered alarms to the Milwaukee Fire Department later that day during the early evening a fire slash
Medical services call was made at the same location
Window washer employee was trapped near the top of the northwestern mutual building the witness was the lead officer
He and another officer made their way to the top of the building after they ascended to the top of the building the witness
Noticed movement on top of the US Bank Center building at 777 East Wisconsin
Have approximately a half block away from their location at first
He thought it was just another person on top of the adjacent building but soon realized that this being had large wings
At the time it was early dusk, but enough ambient light was available in order to get a good description
He also noticed green goggles over the eyes later realized that this humanoid had bright green light
emanating from the eyes body was dark in color with a slight built body standing approximately
Six feet the witness and his partner watched the winged humanoid unfurled its wings to a span of over 12 feet and without
Flapping slowly ascended into the air. So wait it has wings, but it doesn't actually need the wings
Yeah, I believe that came up in the last episode as well. Yeah, and I got caught off guard. I didn't do a relisten
I gotta say I just listened to it recently actually and I can't recall the reason and that's where this episode came from
But that you see both where they're actually using the wings and where they're not using the wings
The witness remarked how it flew effortlessly with its wings
Extended to the full width. It soon glided out of sight that one super creepy
I decided this one makes the cut because of the eye thing the green goggles over the eyes
But then he realized that he had bright green light emanating from the eyes you imagine
No, I can't actually reminds me of the first boss and Turtles in time for the Super Nintendo
Like it's that bug guy and he's got the green goggles on. Oh, yeah, I remember that guy
I think that's who I've been picturing when I was picturing this guy. Okay, be honest. Okay next sighting
This one's going back to July
2006 on the 15th or 16th if you were wondering and the witness and her husband were in the process of moving from Milwaukee
Wisconsin to a small area between Whitewater
Eagle view I assume is Wisconsin was about 930 p.m
And there is a bright full moon in a clear sky. Nothing good ever happens at this moon
No clouds in the sky. We were traveling down highway 59 East asked Eagle turning onto Road X
Obviously shouldn't want to name the road unless there's a road X
somewhat desolate stretch
thin band of trees are on each side of the road with open fields behind them this area is about 18 miles approximately
East of Whitewater located between Eagle and North Prairie, Wisconsin
My husband was driving his two young children in the backseat
I believe asleep suddenly swooping over the trees on our left lowering down in front of the car windshield
Upwards again over the treetops to our right gliding and a slow ascent over the field is what I would describe as a man
Bat like features flying like a bat perhaps why she would say that like features
This creature was as real as you and I are we had a very close look up at it
It was long six to seven feet in length
I say length because it was flying sideways looking into the car. Oh, that's so creepy much like doing the side stroke
It was dark gray very leathery skin one wing kind of tucked into its side one facing the ground
And the other flapping while it flew. Okay. Phew. It's both not flapping and flapping
Wing was huge and exactly like bats. It got me the most were the eyes. They were very round
The whites would be looked for you me best way to this. I have never seen this word in my life
Rhu emy
The word our H you sorry what our H you emy I'm pretty sure that's not a word. Oh it is
Watery, that's disgusting. Okay, we we learned another thing
Chicago's on Lake Michigan and room. How would you say that?
Fumi sorry, I'm I just went to the Google. I don't have the Oxford one up which would show me how to say it
It's really weird that this specific dictionary sentence example has roomy eyes
Yeah, that's what mine says to me. Oh me. Yeah, there we go. Like rheumatoid arthritis. Yeah
Okay, so its eyes were looked roomy the best way to describe it that they must have been super close to be able to notice
That the irises were of a very pale blue. I was not afraid
I was astounded amazed and even excited
Husband was shook up and would not stop when I asked him to the kids were in the car. Would you stop?
He wait she asked him to stop. Do you stop? I mean only if they had room
Huh?
Huh? No, please don't stop
Yeah, no, I don't know that I would stop I'd either speed up or slow down
If the thing slowed down with me, I'd probably speed up again
I mean she fed full autonomy probably to at least roll down her window. She wanted to
Can you imagine though if your passenger rolled down the window with them playing next to you?
Maybe he wants to say something. I don't know I see and you're not pulling over
Okay, so she goes on I hope this will also bring more people forward who have seen this mystery creature or other
creatures as well perhaps was reading recently online of a woman in Minot, Wisconsin who in about
1960 also had seen a creature of this description
Notice that some who have witnessed this compared to the creature from the movie Jeepers Creepers. There are definitely similarities
I have never seen the movie or to my mind
And Lon Strickler gives a note on this sighting. He says it was on the edge of the Kettle Moraine
Low Prairie State Natural area the pale blue eyes on the sideways flight using one wing is quite interesting
Out of all the sightings I've received over the years. These characteristics are unique
So that's another one. Oh these moth people that look like bats have been working on their flying tricks
Yeah, obviously this one didn't move his wings, which probably takes some work a lot of work and probably concentration
And then the other one only moved one of its wings. He tucked it in did a fancy move with the other one
No, yeah
I thought the one on the bottom was like flapping and the one on top was tucked in one on the bottom was tucked in
I think the other one. Okay. Well what it was flapping. Yeah, one on the top. Yeah. Yeah, so
Yeah, they've they're they've been around for so long that they're training do like new and unique things to scare people
I guess okay. So next one April 13 2018 at about 10 to 10 30 p.m
You are parked in the parking lot next to redacted which is right off of redacted. I do not wish to discuss
I do not wish to discuss what we were parked there for so
I used to say it's a dark place to park at night a boyfriend looked up and totally freaked out when he says he saw a large
pair of glowing red eyes staring back at him looked up and saw something standing in front of my car with two glowing red eyes
It made a sound of chirping that we heard when we turned down the radio
And we moved it put what looked like a hand on the hood of the car
And then we saw what looked like wings spread wide open it panicked and turned red
On the car which automatically turned on my headlights and it lit up what looked like a large bat had black skin
That looked like glossy wet leather that shined in the light screamed at us pushing its head out in its arms back
Then flew up into the air can hear the wings flapping as it jumped up and within a few seconds
It landed behind my car its body still able to be seen when I pressed the brakes and the brake lights shined
The bus were screaming at us and we were like what is this?
The body still able to be seen when I pressed the brakes and the brake lights shined the bus were screaming at this point when it flew back up into the air and landed about six feet from the passenger side door where my boyfriend sat
Wasted no time in trying to get out of there as we backed up and whipped the car around we saw it land in front of us
We saw it land in front of us to the side of the car about three feet away
I can't stop thinking about that woman rolling down her window on the left
We wasted no time trying to get out of there as we backed up and whipped the car around we saw it land in front of us
The side of the car about three feet away honked my horn and turned on my brights and it screamed again and flew up into the air
We screeched on to redacted and headed toward I think it was redacted
My boyfriend says he saw it land again just off the road on his side of the car
Did not stop to investigate and floored the car to get out of there well obviously
Gone on to redacted and were passing the apartment buildings when we saw something fly right over our car lower than the lamp post screaming as it flew out of sight
Oh this one's screaming as it flew
Got to my house and stayed in the car for about 15 to 20 minutes I was hysterical and crying and my boyfriend was shaken up
Took me another 30 minutes to get myself together and go drop off my boyfriend and drive myself back home
I have had repeated nightmares since then it's been difficult to sleep without the closet light on
My boyfriend also says he has nightmares I hope you believe me and that you don't think I'm crazy
Could have been a large bird like some people say it might have been
I know whatever it was must have been intelligent I just have the feeling that tells me so
Yeah a large bird probably wouldn't follow your car home
No it definitely well I've never had that happen at least
No
I don't think a bird would want to do that and it doesn't normally scream at you
So long contacted the witness and received the following additional information
He says I estimate it stood about seven feet tall and the wingspan has to be about seven to eight feet or more wide
I almost got the feeling like it was toying with us it knew we were scared shitless and it toyed with that by scaring us even further
As far as physical reactions it took me a few hours to finally get back to somewhat normal
I threw up twice just from jitters and I had a feeling like I was being watched even though the curtains were closed
Currently I still feel like I'm being watched almost like I'm marked in some way
Last night was the first night I slept without the lights being on and it took me about an hour and a half to finally fall asleep
It puts me off to wanting to go out at night anymore even though I have to in order to finish college by July
Third note you've been out to that same spot countless times previous and this is the first time we've seen the thing
So that's the next one that one's terrifying
Yeah that one's terrifying especially the after notes that she felt like she still feels like she's being watched
Yeah of course that could be a sign of trauma
Yeah I mean I'd probably be terrified after seeing kind of like people who come home with PTSD and they feel like they're still in the war
That's true like constant that would do that to you
This one, Witness Who Goes by J.E. experienced two separate encounters with cryptid winged entities near her residence in Mineral Point, Wisconsin
Located in Iowa County in the southwest area of the state
J.E.'s first encounter occurred during an afternoon in spring 2019
J.E. had been feeling spiritually vulnerable and attempting to improve her personal protection with the archangels Michael and Raphael
At the end of the breezeway that extended from her front room there was a window in which J.E. would use to access the flat roof
As she approached and looked out of the window she observed two crouching beings with feathered wings facing the large St. Mary's and St. Paul's Catholic Church
A few blocks behind her apartment building at 224 Davis Street
These beings seemed to be arguing with each other
Also the figures were stone gray in color and solid like concrete
J.E. immediately thought that these were representations of St. Michael and St. Raphael
As she continued watching they stood up to a height of 7 to 8 feet but seemed to be fading in and out of a non-corporeal slash corporal state
They then fully extend their wings to a span of 10 feet or so and flew off towards the Catholic Church
Second encounter took place in the autumn of 2019 while J.E. was walking her dogs late at night between 1 to 2 a.m local time
She was in an alleyway near her residence heading towards High Street, the main thru-fair in the small town
She soon noticed small lights or orbs descending around her
As she approached the steps near the Mineral Point Opera House at 139 High Street her attention was drawn to what she described as
A large gargoyle like entity perched on top of the buildings across the street
Being's claws were extended off the edge and the massive feathered wings were unfurled to a span of 20 to 25 feet
Entity was solid gray in color with a heavy girthed body
Face was described as a cross between a bulldog and a lion with pointed ears and a long snout but having a snub nose
Okay that sounds like a bat
Yeah, J.E. watched- it does, doesn't it?
J.E. watched the being for two minutes or so after its dark eyes seemed to focus his gaze on her
Then stood up and displayed a very tall body with wings fully extended
It began to move off the edge in an attempt to descend but disappeared into the ether
After the initial shock of encountering this impressive wing creature
J.E. was thankful for the opportunity to observe it
She recalled her trips to Paris and Notre Dame stating that this being looked like a real life gargoyle
Those ones I find really interesting because they don't really fit into the other sightings
Even that I've read so far
Yeah and it is weird that this person saw the exact same kind of winged cryptid twice
Because like there are so many different varieties of like shape, sizes, colors, eyes, wings that it can come in
That she saw the exact same one twice
It also makes you wonder because in her initial sighting she's trying to summon or like summon for protection like angels
And she sees it in a very religious context so I also wonder if it's not her perception
Influencing that
Yeah her perception influencing what she's seeing because they also have winged feathered wings
I know what to say winged wings
Yeah that could influence her memory for sure
I don't know if that's what you were going for but that could definitely influence what she would see
Yeah I'm thinking so so that's why I wanted to put this one because it's just a little bit different than the other encounters
Next one which is a brief one
February 25th 2019 I received a telephone call from an eyewitness N.V. who stated that she had observed a winged being in the early morning around 5 30 a.m near Arion, Wisconsin
N.V. was traveling west on Creek Road on her way to work as she approached the Turtle Creek Bridge
She observed a large winged being that she described as a flying witch
The being was at a treetop altitude and was gliding in her direction
It was early dawn but enough light available for N.V. to make out of form
Winged beings suddenly descended towards N.V.'s car and barely missed colliding with the hood
N.V. described that that being's wingspan was much wider than her car and that the body was a brownish color like a paper bag
Body looked feminine and slight the wings were bat shaped and very large
She never noticed the wings flapping
Speed in which it descended was not natural
Face was unremarkable almost blank
N.V. noted that she swerved and almost hit the guardrail
N.V. did not notice where the winged being flew after the encounter
N.V. is of Hispanic descent and stated that the being looked very similar to a witch
It was described to her as a child
N.V. was quite upset and worried that she may encounter this being in the future and disdaining
Yeah completely different completely different
And also I pick and choose these so
Well yeah but I like a mannequin face basically like kind of has features but pretty blank
Yeah that's what she described I know
And like just a completely different color and feminine like nobody has described as feminine
Yeah and which light
Like none of these count I mean that's a different culture though
But she also again you brought this up on the last one which I find interesting on this one as well
She brought up her cultural background to describe what she was seeing
So it's oh that's true well that's what some of it that you find
So I don't know if they're interpreting they go into seeing this weird thing
They get a little shocked in their memory gets distorted based on their cultural background
Or if based on strong belief
The much more bizarre version of that and much way less evidence behind it would be
Whatever entity is doing this is taking on the form of what the person they want them to see
Wants to see them would be able to extrapolate from their cultural background
That's a good point I was gonna say that I didn't even think of that
Point which is but there's no no evidence at all to that side it's just speculation
Yes but that's a really good point on the other side of the spectrum of that
And I guess you could say if somebody's seeing a dog I guess
They would probably describe it based on their own personal background and experiences as well
And not everyone's going to come up with the same exact thing
We can only ever describe things from our previous experience
Especially with words that we've learned from our previous experience
That would be like this like we can't describe color to blind people well
Because all we've ever done with color is with our eyes or with our experience with it
So we can't extrapolate it out in any other way
It looks so orange like orange you know
Like an orange you know the fruit
But that's also something I like what you say because that's a very paranormal type of
Attribute that you can give it is that it's adapting specifically to the person
It's giving people custom experiences
Which is always nice customer service or like terrifying customer service
Okay next one
I recently talked to a witness JL who had a UFO experience and then later a winged humanoid
encounter at the same location
That's right on the evening of January 1st, 2000, JL and her son were traveling on Spring Creek Road
in Rockford, Illinois
As they approached Rock Creek they both observed a large diamond shaped craft
Hovering above the creek
Craft was brightly lit and there was a distinct beam of light coming from the bottom towards the creek
JL slowed the car and the craft suddenly cut off the beam
At the same time the craft slowly ascended into the night sky
JL and her son had lingering dreams after the incident
And both started to notice paranormal activity around them
Then on October night in 2002 around 8 p.m.
So that's about a year and a little bit late
No, two in math is no good
I mean a certain amount of time later around 8 p.m.
JL was again driving on Spring Creek Road near Rock Creek
The important thing is it wasn't the same time
This was a different time a different date on or around
She observed a winged shape approaching her head on
Yeah, that's right a winged shape
This might yeah no some sort of shape in the middle and it had wings on it
Okay, I can get that
By the time this flying anomaly got near her it swooped up and over the car
JL states that the winged being was humanoid in shape with two leg-like structures trailing below it
Wingspan was so wide that it literally blocked out all of the streetlights
He estimated that it was six feet in height black in color
And had large wings approximately 12 feet in total width
She immediately stopped the car got out and looked down the road behind her
She stopped the car she stopped
Like we all agreed this you wouldn't do that
This is the woman from earlier is it?
No well it could be no it's not no it's not
It's likely not
It's likely not this is a different place in Illinois or Wisconsin
She immediately stopped the car got out and looked down the road behind her
Winged being had vanished but she noticed that the trees were moving
as if a huge gust of wind had gone through them
She also stated that the being never flapped its wings
It seemed to be propelled by an unknown force
JL had experienced a sense of consternation and anxiety ever since the incident
Even though she now lives in Tennessee
This I think they all have after bearing witness to this
Huh
Yeah another weird one right this one with the UFO
Yeah well and it's that it's that feeling again
She kind of described of being watched constantly after the event again
Did you not get that from that last little bit?
I don't remember it really coming up before but
It kind of seems like it is
I can't recall in this one no I can't recall from the initial episode that we did at all
So I don't think I should comment on it because I can't remember
I don't know I don't think that would ever leave me if I saw something like that
But I'm also terrified of things with wings
It would use that against me wouldn't it
Yeah
It would it would okay
It would just be wings
Yeah that's the
Or a fish with wings
So disturbing just the wings
Okay and to the point this is going back a few stories of people seeing kind of what is in their reality
That one is distinct because I don't know if I should even be going back a couple stories
But people specifically mostly though there are ones with feathers
Most of the time they're seeing bat like like leathery wings look wet in some instances
And that woman specifically saw feathers
So that's also a thing to the point of are they like somehow reading minds or something
To fit a certain perception a person is having and it's super weird
That's definitely a paranormal attribute of it
Yeah yeah you got to admit that also it could be just the fact that a collapse or a creation
Of the mind is going to take on cultural backgrounds that you're used to
Yeah
Though it would be weird that so many mental breakdowns wouldn't incorporate a winged creature
In this one specific world
Or more specifically whether the wings are leathery or feathered
Or whether the eyes glow green, yellow or red or glow at all
Yeah but there are psychological phenomenons that happen in specific parts of the world
That are strangely specific as well
Like what is it called it's like the
The dancing one?
Not the dancing one it's like Quebec lager or something like that Quebec lager syndrome
One sec let me find it quick
Not Quebec
The jumping Frenchmen of Maine is that what I'm thinking of?
The jumping Frenchmen of Maine were a group of 19th century lumberjacks
Who exhibited a rare disorder of unknown origins
The syndrome entails an exaggerated startle reflex
Which may be described as an uncontrollable jump
Individuals with this condition can exhibit sudden movement in all parts of the body
Jumping Frenchmen syndrome shares some symptoms of other startle disorders
Okay so that's not what I was thinking of
But also proving your point a little bit because it would be something super like specific
Yeah just a specific part of the world
That's specifically Frenchmen
I know there's other examples I can't think of them off the top of my head
Yeah no there's for sure that that thing
On that tangent that came from another part of our episode brings me to my last sighting
As always best for last Claire and Ashley both of whom are 18 years old
Both women from Oregon Wisconsin I thought I said that wrong for a second
Said in a phone interview with investigator Tobias Wayland
They'd seen an 8-9 foot tall creature with a wingspan of 10-15 feet
While driving outside of town last November 26th
Ashley said that she had initially seen something unusual while driving between Oregon and Staughton
On Highway 138 at around 10pm that evening
Quote I was on that road because I was going to Staughton for some stuff she said
I was driving my car I noticed this thing
I couldn't tell how big it was it just looked like a black shadow
Start across the road but it was probably a football field ahead of me
First I thought it was my windshield because I have cracks in my windshield
But that doesn't make sense because I've driven that road hundreds of times
I've never seen my windshield do anything like that
It was insanely fast I was like
I think I just saw something but I'm not going to say anything because I'll sound crazy
End quote
Later at around 10.30pm both women were going for a drive together
When they say they saw a flying humanoid sweep across the road in front of them
At the intersection of Sandhill Road and Rutland Dunn Townline Road
Quote There is a possum in the road and we stopped because we didn't want to hit it
We were driving around it and then we looked up and it was huge like 9 feet long
End quote Claire said
Pre-quote It was flying and it swooped down across the road and out of our sight
We were both like you saw that too right?
Quote Pre-quote
The creature was like a quarter of a football field ahead of us
It was really close it was way too big to be a deer
It was kind of reddish brown in color I want to say but it was darker
If we hadn't stopped for that possum it would have hit our car
That thing was huge my thought was dear lord it's a pterodactyl
End quote
Lampost's position in the intersection partially illuminated the being from underneath they said
Allowing them to determine its approximate color and dimensions
According to the two women the creature was headed north
It was too high up to be illuminated by the car's headlights
Very bottom was illuminated but we couldn't see the top of it
It wasn't fully illuminated but light was cast on the other side
Since it was at the intersection that we normally turned at
We normally turn at that intersection because we make loops around town
Swoop from the south towards the north
When you get to the intersection you have to turn north
And I was terrified to turn north I didn't want to turn north
Er describe the creature as looking like Mothman and said
It looked like a very bulky person
Its limbs were a lot thicker than a human's would be
A lot bigger around had these absolutely huge wings
There were arms on its side actually I didn't know if they were arms
They were appendages on its sides and the wings were on its shoulders or back
But I couldn't really tell
Didn't see its head when it swooped down in front of us
I didn't see any head or neck when it swooped down
They decided to continue their drive
Eventually working up the courage to revisit the location of their sighting
Again who would do that?
Who stops?
Who repeats the visit?
Who goes back?
And around 11 pm as they drove by the area again
Claire spotted something unusual in a nearby field
Jesus Christ
Although the creature had first been seen heading north
When they returned it was standing on the south side
In a plowed down cornfield
Oh my god
We were at the point where we thought it would be gone
But then it wasn't said Ashley
Ashley who was driving didn't see the creature standing in the field
Claire however said she saw a strange creature with very pronounced red eyes
This is so scary
Looked out the back window and the creature was standing in the field
It was almost a full moon so it was pretty illuminated
Its head didn't look like it had a neck
It looked like it was just an extension of its body
Looked like a human had tucked their head into their shoulders
It had very pronounced red eyes
We didn't have any headlights in the back
And the only thing that would have reflected would have been the lamp post
So they were either reflecting really brightly or literally glowing
Go by that field all the time
I've never seen anything like that before or since
The woman described the creature as super fast especially for its size
It was very fast
The wings were very very large
The body was so stocky
Silhouette was similar to how I would describe Bigfoot
Which I know I'm using other known cryptids to describe this one
But that's really what it looked like
There was no pronounced neck but it looked very stocky
It had very large bird-like wings
I couldn't tell if it had feathers
Ashley said that she thought that the part illuminated by my headlights looked like reddish brown fur
It was either very fine feathers or fur
I didn't really see a texture
There weren't large feathers on the body that I would have been able to see
The only thing I can say is that when I saw the silhouette of it in the field
I could see jutting off points from the wings that I would call feathers
But I really don't know
Could have just been wing shaped like that
Both women said they screamed after seeing the creature fly over the road
Claire added that she froze with fear in response to the sighting
I felt fear, yeah
There is also the element of that's not supposed to be here, Ashley said
You just know that whatever that is, it's not from around here
It's not supposed to be here
Yeah, like wrongness, added Claire
We passed that place a couple more times
And the rest of the night we just got a weird
There's something that shouldn't be here feeling every time we were in that area
So they repeatedly went back
I just, these are young girls
They probably had the windows down yelling at us
Yeah, there's a lot of mistakes happening here
The initial sighting they stopped at something on the road
And they're just circling back
I just feel like these are all bad mistakes
They like, they took the like book out on how to react in a horror movie
They did, they're making all the horror movie people who die first mistakes
I wonder if they know that
Yeah, and two young girls like yeah that really does seem like the first victims
Yeah, and I'm really loving their description of all of these things that are going on as well
They both also noticed that other unusual phenomenon happening that same evening
Such as deer moving away from the spot where they had seen the creature
And unusual interference on the car's radio
I mean they drove past the place like 15 times now
They're making detailed notes of what's going on in this specific area all night
Quote, this was the weirdest thing that I noticed
It was way earlier
It was probably on their first circle around
But it counts for the whole night basically
We kept seeing deer crossing the road Ashley says
Almost ran into two different deer on two different sides of town
Usually if I see a deer at all it's one deer at night
Bergen does not get a lot of deer
And I saw over seven deer that night and we saw a whole herd running away from that spot
Hold on
What time of year is this?
This one doesn't say the time of year
November 26th, okay so it's that season
Yeah that's deer season is that not?
Yep that's true deer season
So not that weird I would say
The deer were freaked out they were running away they were panicky added Claire
Radio said Claire it kept glitching like crazy
And it hasn't really done that before he says
It was cutting in and out getting staticky
And then picking up another channel that was on some gospel program
I know what channel that is and it's very far away from the channel we were on
She added that the radio would glitch only when we drove by that spot
Only a few days later on the evening of November 29th
Claire said she had another unusual sighting in literally the same place
Yeah she's going she loves that place
She drives by like five times a day
She does she really yeah exactly
Quote I saw a shadow on the road because we drive the same route every day we drive
And then five more times just to be safe she said
I saw a shadow that looked like it
She didn't actually say that I should clarify that because I'm quoting
And it sounded like she said it
I saw a shadow that this is actually her talking
I saw a shadow that looked like it and then something run into the trees
All I could really tell was that it was winged and very very big
But I couldn't give you a definite shape
Similarly to the sighting reported by Claire and Ashley
A man in Woodstock, Illinois reported a sighting of an eight to nine foot tall
Being covered in dark fur with large wings on February 22nd 2019
Outwitness said that he thought the creature may have been bigfoot initially
But then noticed that it had a large set of membrane wings attached to the back
Standing over the top of its head
Investigators Tobias and Emily Wayland visited both the Woodstock sightings area in 2019
And the area in which Claire and Ashley said they had their encounter only a few weeks ago
Investigators went to the site of Claire and Ashley's encounter twice
You must go more than once
First time at approximately 10 30 p.m and again around 2 p.m about a week later
Didn't notice any radio interference in either time
However upon review of the footage they recorded during their initial visit
They did notice some very unusual audio interference on both cameras used during the investigation
Same interference was present upon the review of the footage taken on their second trip
Although it was much lighter
Strangely the interference was only recorded in the immediate area of the sighting
Investigators were unable to find any signs of large satellite dishes
Ham radio towers or other equipment in the area that might be responsible for the interference
A variety of reasons that I included that sighting
The major one is they're both sighting bigfoot as it's looking like bigfoot
Yeah
Which I thought was was a good one
And there's just a lot going on with this one that they first have an up-close encounter
Yeah it's multiple sightings with two the exact same people
Yeah and it's just super creepy like it's up close and what is that like close encounter
Of the second kind no that's third
Yeah yeah well I have to think back
Then they come back and it's out in the field like how creepy is that
Like usually with these paranormal things it's like a one-off
But then you circle back around because you're curious
You're like there's no way that thing is still there waiting for me
And there it is with this fucking red eye
And they continuously circle back and continuously talk about the things that are just off about the environment
Which yeah may not be but at the same time it is interesting that on this night
So many things seem off repeatedly
Yeah
Because they always do seem like one-off events
Yeah they do except in my episode I had a few where they're encountering
They're having more than one encounter with them
Which is another thing that I hadn't really run into with this before
And I found actually a couple encounters where they run into the same being a few times
The one with the holy lady and the one with these two girls
And they also draw a comparison to a pterodactyl which also drew me in
And that's the end of my episode
I don't think I have any questions to go with this
Like they're just bizarre sightings that like I just love that these these are sightings outside of the norm
They are
What people expect people to be seeing
They are and of course I'm not going to give you just the you know
Man looks outside and sees typical moth man sitting in tree
I went for ones and or Elvis
Exactly I went for ones that that are going to give you a little bit more
You know fear when you go to sleep tonight because you feel like something's watching you now
Yeah and that closet light now needs exactly exactly that's what I went for
Yeah and specifically I do believe that we're probably a free sleep or sleeping podcast
Yeah
I'm glad everybody here has now participated in this episode
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