1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,960 Do you actually want to read some of the article before you go on about it? 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,080 That's fine. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:04,840 Okay. 4 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,840 So just be the new Chelsea series of openers where I just read it right to you. 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,520 And I act as shocked as you because this is my first time reading it. 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,760 To be fair, even if it was your second or third time, it may act like it's the first. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:18,520 True. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,280 It all comes off the same anyway. 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,280 This one is entitled mysterious voice haunting American airlines flights. 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,520 I did read a couple instances of it before we got to this point. 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,360 Over the summer of 2022. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,640 So this is recent as we're in fall 2022 now. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,160 There has been reports of mysterious moaning sounds during several 14 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:39,720 American airlines flights. 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,880 Moans have been described as a guttural human voice crying out in pain, but the 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,880 source of the voice has not been found. 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Not people trying to join the mile high club. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,960 Is it most notable report comes from actor Emerson Collins. 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:00,760 He posted the following tweet recording the sounds and adding his commentary. 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,160 Someone on this flight seems to have broken into the intercom system and 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,280 continues to make a sound that is somewhere between an orgasm and vomiting. 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Ladies and gentlemen, we realize there is an extremely irritating sound coming 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,120 over the public announcement. 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,840 The flight deck is trying to troubleshoot, trying to turn it off. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,680 So please be patient with us. 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,560 We know this is a very odd anomaly and none of us are enjoying it. 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,640 So we do appreciate your attention just for a few more moments. 28 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,320 So we figure out how to turn it off. 29 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:54,160 Thank you. Who is having a puke yank? 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,840 Okay. That's enough of that. 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,800 It was initially assumed the voices were just a prank from someone who had found 32 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,920 a way to sneakily use the aircraft's PA system until it began happening over and 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,520 over again on different flights. 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,240 John NYC on Twitter pulled together a handful of different reports in a Twitter 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,440 thread on NYC says currently on AA 1631 and someone keeps hacking into the PA 36 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,400 and making moaning and screaming sounds. 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,520 The flight attendants are standing by their phones because it isn't them. 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,920 And the captain just came on and told us they don't think the flight systems are 39 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,640 compromised. So we will. 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,360 There's obviously more, but I'm not going to read more. 41 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,160 Twitter thread contains several different reports from airline employees and 42 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,480 frequent flyers on both Boeing 737, 800 different types of planes. 43 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:45,240 Other people have reported hearing similar sounds on flights as far back as 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,640 July, 2022 flights are always American airlines and usually flying around the 45 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:52,200 greater Los Angeles area. 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,160 Do you think that it's the, what did we call him? 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,080 Balloon man? 48 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Pac-Man? 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,360 Flying humanoid. 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:58,880 Yeah. 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,080 Jetpack man. 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Yeah. 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Maybe he's got a PA system now. 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Yeah. 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Maybe he's just flying close enough. 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,400 I would be curious if any new radio stations opened up in this period of time. 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,680 And like, they just have a really bad radio signal that interferes with it every 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:14,280 now and then. 59 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,000 It would have to be a really bad radio station to be putting those noises onto 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,320 the air and having people listen. 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,360 There's a lot. 62 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,640 I don't think this has to do with the haunting because the ghost, I mean, the 63 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,320 ghost could have a sense of humor to be haunting airlines. 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,320 You could haunt one specific corporation. 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,240 I'm sure of it. 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,560 You definitely could. 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,200 I mean, I would probably want to haunt a corporation if I wanted to and do it 68 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,160 with like hilarious, sarcastic, weird, blah, noises on the intercom. 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,480 I'd want to haunt Disney. 70 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,360 And then you have the option to go to all their different theme parks. 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Yeah. 72 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,240 Like for life, for all of death, which is longer than life. 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,520 Now there's just a bunch of people giving their experiences. 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,040 July, somebody says they heard strange pain sounding groans coming from the 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,720 aircraft sound system four or five times. 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Aircrew didn't know what was going on. 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,040 We've all had those weird airplane poops though, that's, you know, 78 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 that painful moans come out. 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,920 Yeah. 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,680 And then you just have to go onto the PA system. 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Another person said it happened during her flight. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,280 The flight attendant said it had happened on the same plane a few days earlier, 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 but they hadn't been able to figure out where it was coming from. 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,120 September six, another flight. 85 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,360 This was the flight we just listened to on Twitter. 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,360 Then another one mid September. 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Oh, this is like still happening. 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Doug Boner wrote that there were lots of weird noises. 89 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Yeah, I'm assuming that's how you say it. 90 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,480 B-O-E-H-N-E-R. 91 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Okay. 92 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,040 That's how you would say that, right? 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Boner said there are lots of weird noises, including an, oh yeah, just before landing. 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,520 That is crazy. 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,640 He assumed the pilot has left his mic on. 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,280 Are these just pilots maybe that aren't willing to admit they didn't 97 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:55,960 turn off the PA system? 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,440 It's a troll for sure. 99 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,480 For sure it is. 100 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Okay, the September 18th, lots of moaning and screaming noises coming through the intercom. 101 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,400 The voice sounded male and would only last five to 10 seconds before stopping. 102 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,040 Official response from American Airlines is that they are having problems with the 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,320 PA system malfunctioning on several of the aircraft. 104 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,480 That seems about right. 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Impossible explanation. 106 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,520 That's all they've said. 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,160 Okay. 108 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Some have speculated that someone is hacking into the PA system somehow. 109 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,560 That makes sense. 110 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,240 The intercom system on the aircraft were closed analog systems, which make it very 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,800 difficult for anyone to hack into them without physically picking up a microphone or 112 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,720 phone physically connected to a device on the wired system. 113 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,200 I wonder if anybody's like been keeping track of where the pilots have been as well. 114 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Maybe if they like tied it all together, it's all the same pilots. 115 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:52,280 Most likely explanation is it's an issue with the PA amplifier system, which has a 116 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:56,960 filter on it that removes any sound that isn't a human voice leaving only sounds 117 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,080 which sound human. 118 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,280 That doesn't seem right. 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,200 It's somebody trolling for sure. 120 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,040 If it's that widespread, they got to be flying a lot or know how to hack into a 121 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,320 vehicle that is moving through the sky several miles up, moving 700 kilometers an hour. 122 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,560 You would think if it's that big, it's probably not that big of an issue. 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,920 They probably have bigger issues, but they would be putting something together to see 124 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,320 if there's a common denominator of passengers and pilots or stewardesses until it actually 125 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,680 impacts ticket sales or anything really that's valuable. 126 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,920 They won't do anything about it. 127 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,720 Yeah, it'd be annoying, but I'd also be talking about that flight forever. 128 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,160 So the mystery continues of American Airlines. 129 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,640 Look at that. Good advertising. 130 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,240 So check out American Airlines. 131 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,240 See if it moans. 132 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:44,240 Yeah, I was just going to say, let us know on your next American 133 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Air flight what goes down. 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,200 And with that, let's get this episode started. 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:07:10,360 From the unexplained to the mundane, join us on our journey to the fringe. 136 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,240 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where hard hitting fringe questions are answered. 137 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,120 Like, why is it called a grilled cheese? 138 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Does anyone cook them on a grill? 139 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,920 No, everybody does it on a stovetop in a frying pan. 140 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,480 So it should be a fried cheese or maybe closer and good compromise griddled cheese. 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,640 I don't know the answer. 142 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,280 We only answer fringe questions no one else is answering like that one. 143 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,480 This is just an example, which is too bad. 144 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,840 I do want to know the answer, but apparently that's going to be left up to future. 145 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Anything else other than grilled cheese doesn't sound right. 146 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Doesn't have the right mouthfeels. 147 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,000 We are your hypothetically wondering hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 148 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,520 And today we will be doing another Halloween episode. 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:07,080 And what goes with Halloween more than witches, vampires, ghouls, ghosts and hell? 150 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Well, the idea of being cursed. 151 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,680 You're not going to curse everyone, are you? 152 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Well, we might. 153 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,320 I don't know for sure. 154 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Okay. 155 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,560 Really depends on if just talking about some of these things does curse people. 156 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Like the play Macbeth, but we're not doing a play of Macbeth. 157 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,120 So it doesn't really apply to us. 158 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,480 Today, we will be talking about items and events that allegedly are cursed 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,720 throughout the eras and people who have been afflicted by these curses and what's 160 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,720 happened to them just for ease of understanding right up front. 161 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:44,000 We are only looking at the alleged curses, not the simple answers as some of them may 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,480 be, in fact, to how they are not actually curses. 163 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,320 And this is stupid. 164 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,920 We are keeping the suspense of scariness and Halloween in good spirits with this. 165 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,160 So buckle up. 166 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,440 We're going to go through the gambit of cursed things. 167 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,840 We're going to start with the vaguest ones and we're going to work our way down. 168 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:00,120 Okay. 169 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,760 I like where you're going with this. 170 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,160 First off, we're going to talk about the Silver Bassano base. 171 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,640 Chelsea, have you ever heard of this? 172 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,200 I've not, no. 173 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,560 And I'm also wondering why a base is cursed. 174 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,920 Sorry, it's a vase. 175 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,400 I don't know why I put base. 176 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,120 Okay. 177 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,760 The Silver Bassano vase. 178 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Okay, I've also never heard of that. 179 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,040 So that's also good. 180 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,120 This is a fairly nondescript vase that dates back to roughly the 15th century, 181 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,440 at least allegedly. 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,040 The curse of the 15th century Silver Bassano vase is said to have started 183 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,160 with the young Italian bride on the Iver Herr wedding. 184 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,200 She did not show up for her ceremony. 185 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,600 When people went to look for her, 186 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,200 she was found dead from a mysterious cause in the vase and clutching the vase 187 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,400 to her chest, which was a gift that was given to her that night. 188 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,680 From an unknown person. 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,080 Sounds like grounds for a curse. 190 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,120 At least if that's actually how it worked. 191 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,120 I don't know, like history is spotty in the 1500s. 192 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,400 Yeah, I also heard this is a fairly vague example. 193 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Well, I mean, there's no names attached to it in any way. 194 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Even the Silver Bass. 195 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,480 Despite rumors that the silverware was now haunted by a deceased owner, 196 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,840 it was then handed down the family as each new owner died a mysterious and sudden death. 197 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Allegedly, it was two or three family members it passed through the hands of. 198 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,000 During this time, each of them dying of some sort of bizarre illness. 199 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,720 Finally convinced the vase was cursed, 200 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,640 it was buried away where it remained for years until it was rediscovered in 1988 201 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,240 when a homeowner was digging in his backyard. 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Inside the vase was a single note which read, Beware, this vase brings death. 203 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Obviously, if you dug that up in your backyard, you saw that note. 204 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,200 You wouldn't want to hold on to it either. 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,760 So he naturally went and sold it at auction. 206 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Exactly. 207 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,560 And heedless of the great warning, the new owner threw the note away and promptly 208 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,960 sold the vase at auction for roughly three thousand American dollars. 209 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:50,760 Who wouldn't do that? 210 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,200 The pharmacist who purchased it died unexpectedly not long after he acquired it. 211 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,640 And with that, the deadly curse struck again. 212 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:03,400 It would strike twice more, allegedly a doctor and an archaeologist before finally 213 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,760 the family of the archaeologist threw the vase out of window and it was promptly 214 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,120 picked up by a passing police officer who went up to the family's home and find 215 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,720 them for littering and returned it. 216 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,440 They paid the fine and said they didn't want to see the thing again. 217 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,920 So the officer tried to pawn it off on many museums. 218 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,280 None of them wanted it. 219 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,040 So he decided to bury the vase and with it, the curse in an undisclosed location 220 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,640 where it remains to this day. 221 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:32,880 This seems like an example of someone who decided to curse a vase and haunt a vase 222 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:38,520 upon their death where other people choose to haunt corporations such as American Airlines. 223 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:44,280 I'm not sure if that's what it is or somebody put a curse on it and killed a bride, 224 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,720 a nameless bride. 225 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Ah, you took it in a different direction. 226 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,960 And then she was trapped in. 227 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,560 Ah, see, I wasn't even thinking that. 228 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,400 I was thinking she was killed on her wedding day, had the vase. 229 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,600 Maybe it was given to her by the murderer. 230 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,560 And so she cursed the vase. 231 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,120 She is attached to the vase because she cursed it. 232 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,720 Both are equal and relevant. 233 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:08,560 Who knows? 234 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,800 But what I like about it is the believability and the specificity of that curse. 235 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,400 Yes, very specific. 236 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,320 Very specific people like pharmacists were hurt by this. 237 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Yeah, the lawyer, actually doctor. 238 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:19,880 Yes. 239 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,440 This next one I find fascinating because I've never put it together this way, 240 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,240 but it's probably not a curse, but we're going to go through it. 241 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,080 It's called the Curse of Tipikinu or Tikumseg's Curse. 242 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,160 And it is a widespread explanation for why, for some reason, 243 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,360 between the 1840s and the 1960s, a U.S. 244 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,160 president seems to die every 20 years or so in office. 245 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Rumor has it that the Native American leader Tikumseg administered the curse 246 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,200 when William Henry Harrison's troops defeated his forces at the Battle of Tipikinu. 247 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Seems weird, but William Henry Harrison was elected in 1840. 248 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,760 He caught a cold during his inauguration, 249 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,600 which turned into pneumonia and he died April 4th, 1841, one month into his tenure. 250 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Abraham Lincoln shot April 14th, 1865, 24 years later, died the next day. 251 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,680 James Garfield shot by Charles Guiteau in July of 1881. 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,320 Garfield died several months later from complications in office. 253 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:23,160 William McKinley on September 6th, 1901, was shot by Leon Chogos, who considered 254 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,520 the president an enemy of the people, and McKinley died eight days later. 255 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,600 And that's a 35 year gap. 256 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,120 Warren G. 257 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,520 Harding was elected in 1920 and he suddenly died of either a heart attack 258 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:37,120 or a stroke while traveling to San Francisco three days after being elected. 259 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected president many times, 32, 36, 40, and 44, 260 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,800 and then died of a stroke suddenly in 45. 261 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,920 And then John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 in Dallas. 262 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Notably, nothing strange about that murder, but. 263 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,720 Oh, not off the top of my head. 264 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Continued it on right around 20 years after. 265 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:05,400 And the chain breaker Ronald Reagan was in fact shot in 1981, but he did survive. 266 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,840 Some say this broke the curse. 267 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:07,760 And then George W. 268 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,400 Bush, who was elected in 2000, escaped and went on to serve for a second term in office. 269 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 However, he did have a close run in with a shoe. 270 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,080 Had Thrower known about his sacred duty as a curse bearer, he would have probably 271 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,400 brought something more deadly like a stiletto. 272 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,160 And I think most importantly, with the Tip Canoe Curse, this would also mean we're 273 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 hitting the prime years for a president to die in office right now. 274 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,400 I think they've got the prime president for it. 275 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Is that bad to say? 276 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,200 Well, not only that, if the next one's Trump, he'll be in his 80s, too. 277 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Let's be honest, Trump seems in much better health than Biden. 278 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,560 See, I don't know. I've seen what Trump eats. 279 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,800 He tweets out a lot of McDonald's and KFC. 280 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Okay. 281 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Oh, president presidential curse. 282 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,800 Yeah, from the Native Americans who they had subjugated for a long time. 283 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,040 It's not a bad curse. 284 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,240 I give it a point five. 285 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:04,760 Okay. 286 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,720 Next up, the curse of King Tut, which we all know his name's Tutankhamun. 287 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,720 Why is it King Tut not King Tut? 288 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,720 Anyhow, in 1923, archaeologist Howard Carter and his sponsor, Lord Carnivron, 289 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,040 opened the burial chamber of the ancient Egyptian boy King Tutankhamun. 290 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,160 The tomb hidden in the valley of the kings in Egypt had been untouched and packed 291 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,800 with treasures, yet while they marveled at the astounding archaeological finds, 292 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,960 some entered the tomb with trepidation. 293 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,480 It's rumored that a message inscribed into the burial chamber's entrance read, 294 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,960 Death shall come on swift wings to him who disturbs the peace of the king. 295 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,600 I never understood people who wanted to disturb mummies anyway. 296 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,160 I mean, I get that they look cool, but you should probably just leave them alone. 297 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,440 Like, would you go digging up graves and being like, this is so cool? 298 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Like, what are they? 299 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,080 We've surprisingly done that for a long time. 300 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,200 That's true. We have. 301 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,120 And then for a long time, like there were so many mummies in Egypt, 302 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,160 they were using them as firework. 303 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,560 Yeah, pretty much. And they're all over the globe now. 304 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Also, the other part with the mummies specifically in Egypt, 305 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,440 they were buried with a ton of nice shit. 306 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Yeah, that's true. 307 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Which now they can't use in the afterlife. 308 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Thanks, assholes. 309 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Yeah, I think it's fairly rude of people to be doing that. 310 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Yeah. But with that inscription supposedly there, 311 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,840 let's talk about the people this impacted. 312 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,280 George Herbert, the fifth Earl of Carnivon, 313 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,840 the man who financed the excavation of King Tut's tomb, Lord Carnivon, 314 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,400 accidentally tore open a mosquito bite while shaving and ended up dying of blood poisoning shortly after. 315 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,920 This occurred a few months after the tomb was opened in a mere six weeks 316 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,280 after the press started reporting on, quote, the mummy's curse, 317 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,640 which was thought to afflict anyone associated with disturbing the mummy. 318 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Legend has it that when Lord Carnivon died, all the lights in his house, 319 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,600 or according to some accounts, the lights in Cairo mysteriously went out. 320 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Oh, that's cool. 321 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:57,240 Sir Bruce Ingham, Howard Carter, the archaeologist who discovered the tomb, 322 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,560 gave a paperweight to his friend, Bruce Ingham, as a gift. 323 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,520 This is kind of a showing of the times. 324 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,440 The paperweight consisted of a mummified hand wearing a bracelet 325 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:14,160 that was supposedly inscribed with the phrase, curse be he who moves my body. 326 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,280 So I don't know if they were friends per se. 327 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,520 You know who'd love this guy? 328 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:21,880 This fucking idiot. 329 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,960 Yeah. 330 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,320 God, I hate this guy. 331 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:28,200 I immediately thought of you when I saw this. 332 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,600 I hate going to dinner parties at your house. 333 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Ingham did not die from the mummy's curse, though, 334 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,200 though his house burned to the ground not long after receiving the gift. 335 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,120 And when he tried to rebuild, it was hit with a flood. 336 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,560 That ain't coincidence. 337 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,280 George J. Gould. 338 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,400 Gould was a wealthy American financier and railroad executive 339 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,360 who visited the tomb of Tutankhamun in 1923 340 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,600 and fell sick almost immediately afterward. 341 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,120 He never really recovered and died of pneumonia a few months later. 342 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,200 Aubrey Herbert, Lord Carnivans half brother. 343 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,640 He was born with a degenerative eye condition and became totally blind late in life. 344 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,840 A doctor suggested his rotten infected teeth were somehow interfering with his vision, 345 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,440 and Herbert had every single tooth pulled from his head in an effort to regain his sight. 346 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,920 Surprisingly, he died of sepsis as a result of the surgery. 347 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,360 Just five months after the death of his supposedly cursed brother. 348 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,480 And just in case you were wondering, he did never regain his vision. 349 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,120 Hugh Evelyn White, a British archaeologist, 350 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,440 visited King Tut's tomb and may have helped excavate the site. 351 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,240 After seeing death sweep over about a dozen of his fellow excavators by 1924, 352 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,280 that number is embellished, definitely. 353 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Evelyn White died by suicide. 354 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,760 His alleged suicide note written in his own blood read, 355 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 I have succumbed to a curse which forces me to disappear. 356 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,440 What the fuck? He wrote it in his own blood? 357 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,560 Yeah. Aaron Ember, an American Egyptologist, was friends with many of the people 358 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,360 who were present when the tomb was opened, including Lord Carnivans. 359 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,600 He died in 1926 when his house in Baltimore burned down 360 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,640 less than an hour after he and his wife hosted a dinner party. 361 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,240 He could have exited safely, but his wife told him he had to go back 362 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,320 and save his manuscript he had been working on while she fetched their son. 363 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,520 He and the family maid died in the catastrophe. 364 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,720 The manuscript that was lost, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, was the working title. 365 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,320 What? Oh, he didn't just lose that. He also lost his life. 366 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,240 Richard Bethel. He was Lord Carnivans secretary 367 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,680 and the first person behind Carter to enter the tomb. 368 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,840 He died in 1929 under suspicious circumstances, 369 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,920 though one modern historian has attributed, 370 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,400 I had to add this just because of our history, 371 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,160 they have attributed his death to the work of the occultist Alastair Crowley. 372 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,440 I don't know how that might actually be something to look into, 373 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,440 but this was a tight turnaround for this episode. 374 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,040 Bethel was found smothered in his room at an elite London gentleman's club. 375 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,640 Soon after, the Nottingham Evening Post 376 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,360 mused that the suggestion that Honorable Richard Bethel had come under the curse 377 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,840 was raised last year when there was a series of mysterious fires at his home 378 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,720 where some of the priceless finds from Tutankhamen's tomb were stored. 379 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,800 Bethel's death then drove his father, Lord Westbury, 380 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,040 to commit suicide by jumping off a building. 381 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,760 The press were quick to catch on to the connection with the King Tut. 382 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,120 Sorry, let's go with the right way of saying it. 383 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Connection with King Tut attributing the death to the mummy's curse. 384 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,560 I appreciate that. 385 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,720 There's also Sir Archibald Douglas Reed, a radiologist, 386 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,040 who x-rayed Tut before the mummy was given to museum authorities. 387 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,560 He got sick the next day and was dead three days later. 388 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,040 That's all I know about that. 389 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,440 Then there was James Henry Breasted, the inventor of breasts, 390 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,920 another famous Egyptologist of the day, 391 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,600 and he was a member of Carter's team when King Tuck's tomb was opened. 392 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,440 Shortly thereafter, he allegedly returned home to find that his pet canary had been 393 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,720 eaten by a cobra and the cobra was still occupying the cage. 394 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Since the cobra is a symbol of the Egyptian 395 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,720 monarchy and a motif that kings wore on their headdresses to represent protection, 396 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,880 this was rather ominous of a sign. 397 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:03,000 He was breasted in 1935, and that I mean he died nowhere near any visits he had to Egypt. 398 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,960 And then finally, this guy doesn't die, but Howard Carter. 399 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,320 And sorry, I shouldn't say he doesn't die. 400 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:08,600 He definitely dies. 401 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,440 But it's not associated with this at all. 402 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,640 It's lymphoma when he was 64. 403 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 His tombstone, in fact, says, May your spirit live. 404 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,640 May you spend millions of years, you who love speed sitting with your face 405 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,920 to the north wind, your eyes beholding happiness. 406 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,640 And basically he was able to escape the curse. 407 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,600 For a long time, people visiting the golden mask of Tutankhamun were warned not to look 408 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,960 into its eyes lest the curse strike them down to know might seem fairly mysterious. 409 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:43,800 But of the 20 plus people who excavated King Tut's tomb, only nine of them actually died 410 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,000 within that next three year period or so. 411 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,600 29 died of curse circumstances. 412 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,240 20 plus people entered the tomb and then process of excavating it. 413 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Only nine of them actually die of weird things in the next couple of years. 414 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:03,000 And again, you do have to extend the period quite significantly to say that it's a curse. 415 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,080 That's the thing with curses. 416 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,600 You never know when they're going to hit you. 417 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Could be now. It could be in 50 years. 418 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,800 Good curse would be sooner rather than later, I think. 419 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,080 Or not because you're waiting for it constantly. 420 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,880 So it declines your quality of life. 421 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,000 Yeah, I have a few comments on this one. 422 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:19,480 Okay. 423 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,120 Number one, as somebody who what are they called? 424 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Like coroners that pronounce like how people died. 425 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:26,480 Yeah. 426 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,040 I wonder how many times that's used now where they're like this person died of 427 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,320 mysterious circumstances and they actually say it was probably a curse. 428 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:37,840 You think that still happens? 429 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,440 It depends on what you mean. 430 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,560 Like, do you mean in Canada, US, Western Europe or like all over the world? 431 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,360 I probably just mean here because I listen to a lot of true crime. 432 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,000 And there's mysterious circumstances in true crime sense. 433 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Like they were murdered probably. 434 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,960 But how many times is it like this might be a curse that we're looking at, guys? 435 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Probably very slim to none. 436 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,720 Just putting it out there is over thought. 437 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,280 Cause of death unknown does come up, I'm assuming, quite a bit when it actually 438 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,720 comes to stating what killed the person. 439 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,280 True. 440 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Okay. 441 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,120 I'm going to start thinking curse. 442 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,000 Second, I'm going to rate this one 9.5 out of 10 because I would do the same thing. 443 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,640 And I'm going to put this into my will when it gets updated or I make one. 444 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,440 Anyone who disturbs my grave and steals my shit, they're getting cursed. 445 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,480 I would wait. 446 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Let's see if you come up with a better answer by the time we're done this entire episode. 447 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,600 Yeah, I feel like King Tut is right. 448 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,040 Cursing everybody is my feelings right now. 449 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,840 Well, you just waste at the end. 450 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,520 You might hear a better answer. 451 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Next up, the Hope Diamond. 452 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:52,040 This pricelessly, roughly 115 karat blue Hope Diamond was allegedly stolen from the eye of a Hindu statue. 453 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,680 Several accounts, however, we don't know for sure. 454 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,280 This is based on remarks written down by a French gem merchant by the name 455 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,600 of Jean-Baptiste Tavignet, who obtained the gem in India in 1666. 456 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,360 You know, hanging out in a part of the world that isn't Western Europe. 457 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,400 What are you going to do? 458 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,880 You're either going to subjugate the people that are already living there or are you going to steal their shit? 459 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,600 He went with the latter option. 460 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:22,720 He obtained the gem in 1666 and suggests that the gemstone originated in India in the Kohler mine in the Bunter district of Andhra Pradesh. 461 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,320 And this would be in the 17th century. 462 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,080 Several facets of the gemstone history are unclear, though, 463 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,280 including its original location, condition, finder and owners. 464 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,560 The earliest historical records start with Tavignet, so we don't know much about it. 465 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,920 He brought it to Paris as a large uncut stone and the first known precursor to the Hope Diamond. 466 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:50,560 This large stone became known as the Tavignet Blue, and it was crudely cut into a triangular stone of 115 karats when it arrived in France. 467 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,000 Another estimate waited at 112 karats before it was cut. 468 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,200 It is considered to be the most famous diamond in the world. 469 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,240 It's legendary not only for its huge size and value, even larger than the Pink Panther, 470 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:09,960 which may or may not exist from my understanding of how those movies work, and value, but also for its deadly curse, 471 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,160 for it is foretold that bad luck and death will visit whoever owns or touches the diamond, 472 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,240 probably for the shitty karma that it accrued by being stolen. 473 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Good thing that they cut it up into so many small pieces so everyone can have some. 474 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,040 So, Jean-Petit's Tavignet. 475 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:31,040 The story goes that this gem merchant came down with a raging fever soon after stealing the diamond, 476 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,760 and after he died, his body was possibly ravaged by wolves. 477 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,000 However, other reports show that he lived until the ripe old age of 84, so who knows? 478 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Probably cursed though. 479 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:41,480 Probably. 480 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,680 Next up, King Louis XIV bought the stone from Tavignet and had it recut in 1673. 481 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,240 Oh shit. 482 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,200 It was then known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown, or the French Blue. 483 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,400 King Louis dies later of gangrene, and all of his legitimate children die in childhood, save for one. 484 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,840 But to be fair, this was the 1600s. 485 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,280 That's not out of the ordinary. 486 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,040 Next up is Nicolas Fouquet. 487 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,360 Working for King Louis XIV, it is said that he had worn the diamond for a special occasion. 488 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,600 Shortly thereafter, he fell out of favour with the king and was banished from France. 489 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,440 The king then changed his sentence to life imprisonment, so Fouquet spent 15 years in the fortress of Pinerol. 490 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,400 Some rumours state that he was the real man in the iron mask. 491 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,000 However, this is disputed and nobody knows for sure. 492 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Next up, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. 493 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Louis XVI inherited the French Blue, obviously from the previous Louis. 494 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,920 And allegedly Marie Antoinette wore it. 495 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:42,200 However, there's no paintings that she posed for where she's wearing it, so this is kind of just rumour that she wore it. 496 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,200 I think we all know kind of what happened there. 497 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,840 A little. 498 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,440 But they got French Revolutioned, like hard. 499 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Marie-Louise-Princesse-de-La-Bam, La Mbelle, a member of Marie Antoinette's court, was also her closest confidant. 500 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,320 She was apparently given to wear on occasion and she was killed by a mob in the most horrific fashion, 501 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:05,880 apparently hit with a hammer, decapitated, stripped and disemboweled, among other things. 502 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,360 Her head was impaled on a pike and carried to Marie Antoinette's prison window. 503 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,360 Wilhelm Fals, a Dutch jeweler who re-cut the diamond. 504 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,200 His son ended up murdering him, for he knew that he had obligations under the curse and then killing himself. 505 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,120 Simon Malchard, a Greek merchant. 506 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,000 He drove his car over a cliff, killing himself, his wife and his child. 507 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,560 Yikes. 508 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,440 And then Evelyn Walsh-McLean. 509 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,640 She was an heiress who lived a charmed life. 510 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,800 She would wear the diamond. 511 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,840 And there are stories that she would put the jewel on her dog's collar so it could think it was living the high life and walk around the apartment, 512 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,120 but it could not leave the apartment and show everybody how fancy it was. 513 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,720 So nobody knows for sure. 514 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,440 First, her mother-in-law died. 515 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Her son died at the age of nine. 516 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,120 Her husband left her for another woman and later died in a mental hospital. 517 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,320 Her daughter died of a drug overdose at 25, and she eventually had to sell her newspaper, 518 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,720 The Washington Post, and died owing massive amounts of debt. 519 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Evelyn's surviving kids sold the diamond to Harry Winston nine years later, 520 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:07,960 and Winston mailed the gem to the Smithsonian for $2.44 in postage and $155 in insurance. 521 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,560 And in 1958, that's when it was donated to the Smithsonian. 522 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,800 And since it has arrived at its new home, the curse appears to now be inactive. 523 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,600 So much so that according to a curator, it has brought nothing but good luck to the museum ever since. 524 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,360 Thank God. 525 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 And you can actually go see it at the Smithsonian Museum. 526 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,800 However, before it got there, its curse couldn't really stop. 527 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,480 So James Todd, the mailman who delivered the diamond to the Smithsonian, 528 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840 apparently had his leg crushed in a truck accident shortly thereafter. 529 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,320 He also suffered a head injury in a separate accident. 530 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,800 Also, his house burned down. 531 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,920 Don't know the timeline on any of that. 532 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Maybe the museum is just immune to curses because it houses so much cursed things. 533 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,520 It's like Mr. Burns and all his diseases. 534 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600 How often does that come up on this show? 535 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,040 That's not the first time. 536 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Yeah, all the all the mummies cursing really balances it out. 537 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,000 Yeah, although the giant curses, they might actually amplify it. 538 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,800 Who knows? 539 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,040 Next up, this is a fun one. 540 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,840 It's called the Billy Goat Curse, and it's a sports one. 541 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,120 On October 6, a sad day in Cubs history, 542 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,440 the Cubs entered game four of the World Series, leading the Detroit Tigers two 543 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,720 games to one and needing to win only two of the next four games played at Wrigley Field. 544 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,320 This came from a bar website, so I'm just reading it as is. 545 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,680 It'll make sense once we're done. 546 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,200 OK, a local Greek, William Billy Goat Sianis, owner of the Billy Goat Tavern 547 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,240 and a Cubs fan, bought two tickets to game four, hoping to bring his good luck 548 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,640 goat Murphy with him to the game at the entrance to the park. 549 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760 The Andy Fran ushers stopped Billy Goat 550 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640 from entering, saying that no animals were allowed in the park. 551 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,960 Billy Goat frustrated, appealed to the owner of the Cubs, P.K. 552 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,160 Wrigley. Wrigley replied, let Billy in, but not the goat. 553 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Billy Goat asked, why not the goat? 554 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000 And Wrigley answered, because goats stink. 555 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120 According to the legend, the goat and Billy were upset. 556 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,840 So then Billy threw up his arms and 557 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,280 explained the club ain't going to win no more. 558 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720 The club will never win a World Series 559 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,720 so long as the goat is not allowed in the goat. 560 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200 Also, Curse them. I'm sure he did something to. 561 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Yeah, probably. 562 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,760 Subsequently, the Cubs lost game four 563 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,320 and the remaining series getting swept at home from the World Series. 564 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120 Billy Goat promptly sent a telegram to P.K. 565 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,320 Wrigley, stating who stinks now for the next 20 years throughout the remainder 566 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,160 of Billy Goat's life, the Cubs would finish each season at fifth place or lower, 567 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,920 establishing a pattern that would reverse the Cubs luck and term the team 568 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,520 the lovable losers. 569 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,560 This World Series would become a dream and wait till next year would become 570 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:49,000 the team's motto from 1946 to 2003, the Cubs posted a terrible 466 win percentage, 571 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,360 having only 15 winning seasons and finishing in first place a mere three times, 572 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,600 having no pennants, no World Series appearances, let alone wins with only four 573 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,680 postseason experiences, resulting in a complete reversal of their fortunes. 574 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,320 And for this time, they were actually pretty popular. 575 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,840 And sorry, this is October 6, 1945. 576 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800 A few examples of the curse, which I find hilarious. 577 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,680 In 1965, a year before he passed away, 578 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,720 Billy Goat Ciannis finally felt satisfied and claimed the curse is lifted. 579 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,320 But the goat still was better. 580 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,800 The Cubs began the season winning and posted throughout the season and into mid 581 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720 August with a commanding first place lead. 582 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,440 On September 9, 1969, at Shea Stadium, 583 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,720 the Cubs played the New York Mets in a critical playoff race game. 584 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,720 A stray black cat walked between the Cubs captain, Ron Santo, 585 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720 who was on deck and the Cubs dug out. 586 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,240 The Mets would pull ahead of the Cubs in that series and eventually win both 587 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,280 the newly formed NL East in the 1969 World Series. 588 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Curse by curses. 589 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720 And there have been many attempts to lift it. 590 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,160 In 1973, Billy Goat's nephew and new Billy Goat tavern owner, Sam Ciannis, 591 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,560 with the help of Tribune columnist Dave Condon, brought the goat to Wrigley 592 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,080 in an attempt to lift the curse. 593 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,920 The goat was escorted to Wrigley in a white limousine and given a red carpet 594 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,240 entrance to the park with a sign saying, all is forgiven. 595 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,920 Let me lead the Cubs to the pennant. 596 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,840 The ushers at the entrance denied the goat Socrates, a descendant of Murphy, yet again. 597 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,800 And the Cubs saw the midseason first place lead wither away to another unsuccessful season. 598 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,680 Didn't they know why he was there? 599 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,000 Apparently not. 600 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080 There have been many attempts other than that to break the curse. 601 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,560 In 2003, a group of Cubs fans headed to Houston with a Billy Goat named 602 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,520 Virgil Homer and attempted to gain entrance to Minute Maid Park, home of the Astros, 603 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,240 which are a rival of the Cubs. 604 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 After they were denied entrance, they unfurled a scroll, 605 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800 read a verse and proclaimed they were reversing the curse. 606 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,280 This was also the Chinese zodiac year of the goat. 607 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,640 So they thought that that would help. 608 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,240 In another bizarre twist, it was reported a butchered goat was hung from the Harry 609 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Kerry statue on October 3rd, 2007, to which the Chicago Sun noted, 610 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480 if the Prinksters intended to reverse the supposed Billy Goat curse with the stunt, 611 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,200 it doesn't appear to have worked. 612 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,760 That's going to make it worse. 613 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,720 In 2008, a Greek Orthodox priest sought to end the curse, likely by exercising the 614 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,680 curse from the field during the 2008 playoffs with the spraying of holy water 615 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,000 in and around the Cubs' Degu to no avail. 616 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,760 On April 1, 2011, a social enterprise called Reverse the Curse dedicated to 617 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,560 bringing innovation to property by giving goats to families in developing countries 618 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,360 was initiated. The goats provided families with milk, 619 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,720 cheese and alternative income to help lift them out of poverty. 620 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Reverse the Curse was expanded into reversing the curses that afflict the 621 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 world's children in education and obesity. 622 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,080 In February of 2012, five Chicago Cubs fans calling themselves Crack the Curse 623 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,800 set out on foot from Mesa, Arizona to Wrigley Field. 624 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,720 They brought along a goat named Wrigley, 625 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,760 who they believed would be able to break the curse of the Billy Goat upon arrival 626 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,040 at Wrigley Field. Additionally, they attempted to raise 627 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,160 $100,000 for the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. 628 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160 On April 10, 2013, a severed goat's head was delivered to the Cubs in an 629 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,080 impossible effort to lift the curse. 630 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,480 Wow, there's a lot of mutilation going on to try and lift the curse. 631 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,840 Yeah. And finally, somebody thought of an actual good idea. 632 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680 October 7, 2016, it's called the Chicago Diner. 633 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:13,480 A local vegetarian, Ivery, near Wrigley Field, teamed up with Farm Sanctuary to 634 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,840 try to reverse the curse of the Billy Goat by displaying posters in the windows at 635 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,040 their location. The posters feature a goat named Peanut, 636 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,440 who urges the Chicagoans to reverse the curse by going meat free. 637 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,760 And in 2016, they actually won the World Series. 638 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,840 So the vegetarian restaurant did it. 639 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,720 Yes. That's a feel good story. 640 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,680 Maybe not eating goats was the key to this all along. 641 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,440 That was a nice one. And not mutilating them. 642 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,760 Yeah. I figure. 643 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,840 Yeah. In 2016, the Cubs beat the Cleveland Indians in the 2016 World Series 644 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,880 in seven games after trailing the series three games to one. 645 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,360 They won game seven by a score of eight to seven in ten innings at Progressive 646 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,800 Field in Cleveland, Ohio. 647 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,920 And then let's leave this one off with a potential curse. 648 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,520 And that will be the curse of Genghis Khan's tomb. 649 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,920 I thought we don't know where it is. We don't, actually. 650 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,440 There's a great story behind that. 651 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,760 Genghis Khan, commonly known as Genghis Khan in the Western world, 652 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,920 probably the most famous Mongolian ever to live, once ruled everything between 653 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080 the Pacific Ocean and the Caspian Sea. 654 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,800 Upon his death, he has to be buried in secret. 655 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,520 A grieving army carried his body home, killing anyone it met to hide the root. 656 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,280 And when the emperor was finally laid to rest, his soldiers rode 1000 horses 657 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160 over his grave to destroy any remaining trace. 658 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040 So that's part of the reason we don't know where he's buried. 659 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,640 The other reason may in fact be due to the Mongolian belief that the world will end 660 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,160 of Genghis Khan's tomb, as that would be said. 661 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,760 Obviously, it's never been found. We have no inklings on it. 662 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,680 Never been found. 663 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,920 It actually doesn't stop people from looking for it. 664 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,840 I wouldn't assume so. 665 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,840 Yeah, but Mongolians are very weary of tomb based curses because of one known 666 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,720 as the Curse of Tamerlane, a 14th century Turkish Mongolian king whose tomb was 667 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,480 opened in 1941 by Soviet archaeologists, Tamerlane. 668 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,080 Upon opening his coffin, the team discovered an inscription, 669 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,240 whoever opens my tomb shall unleash an invader more terrible than I. 670 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,480 And within a matter of hours, Adolf Hitler's troops invaded Russia, 671 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,000 and an estimated 26 million people died as a result. 672 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,840 So that's kind of why Mongolians don't really want to mess with this Genghis Khan. 673 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,640 Yeah, but they're just a small portion. 674 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,080 I bet you there's I mean, we already said there's probably a lot of people looking for it. 675 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,640 But with that, we're going to wrap up this episode on cursed things and cursed places. 676 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,400 It truly can be a corporation that is cursed. 677 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,960 So probably haunted as well. 678 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,720 And case in point, the Cubs. 679 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,920 So I hope you learned a little something here. 680 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,080 We made your Halloween just a little bit more creepy and spooky, 681 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,840 and we will see you next week. 682 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,040 I just want to say that I'm still going to curse anyone that digs up my grave and taste my shit. 683 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,920 Okay. Oh, yeah. 684 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640 Sorry. Did you get any new ideas for what to write in there? 685 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,400 I don't have any. 686 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,240 I mean, I can think I'm going to take my time to think about what I'm going to curse people with. 687 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,840 I thought you might want to take Genghis Khan's idea of what? 688 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,160 Hiding my grave? 689 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,520 No, the world will end if you mess with my stuff. 690 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,600 It's probably going to be something similar to that. 691 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,760 Just a general curse is just the idea I have right now. 692 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,640 But the diabolicalness of it is still TBA. 693 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,440 Okay. Well, with that, we will leave you all thinking about what curses you wish to leave on your stuff in your body, 694 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,800 which is also your stuff kind of in a weird way. 695 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,840 Thank you all for listening, and we'll see you next week. 696 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,200 Bye. 697 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 698 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,000 If you have liked what you have listened to, 699 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,880 please like, share, subscribe or follow depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 700 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:47,000 Also, please, if possible, leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 701 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,120 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 702 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,520 I bet you we are there. 703 00:37:53,560 --> 00:38:00,440 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell us that we're wrong and terrible either way, 704 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,160 please send us an email at journeytothefringe.gmail.com. 705 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:31,960 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.