1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Chelsea, what do you got? I'm not giving you a choice of things to choose from. I'm just going to 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,920 give you this this random article that I found actually just before I came on to here to record. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,120 And this one is called, I don't even know what this one is called, but there's a quote directly 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:24,880 at the top. So this might be the title. Okay. It might be it. And it is, where did these holes in 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:31,520 the ocean floor come from? Nobody knows, says scientist. Basically, the National Oceanic and 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:38,880 Atmospheric Administration Ocean Exploration Team, that is a mouthful, discovered multiple sets of 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:46,080 holes on the Atlantic Ocean floor late last month during the voyage to the ridge 2022 expedition. 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:52,880 Now, these mysterious neatly aligned holes have been discovered deep in the ocean, as I'm pretty 9 00:00:52,880 --> 00:01:00,560 much, I think I just said. And scientists are stumped over their origin. The small oblong cavities 10 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:07,200 are spaced about 10 centimeters apart and repeat in some cases for several meters. It looks a little 11 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,520 bit like a sewing machine punched its way through the sea bottom as Mike, I don't even know how to 12 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,800 pronounce his last name. So he's just Mike, a deep sea biologist with the national, I'm not saying 13 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:27,280 that again either. No way. Researchers in this place's ocean exploration team initially discovered 14 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,400 sets of holes two and a half kilometers below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean north of the 15 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Azores late last month. Later, the researchers found more holes and this time around 1500 meters 16 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,560 deep on the Azores plateau. There's many hypotheses about what this could be. There's 17 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,680 just some people saying it might be from a spike tire. I'm pretty sure it's not from a spike. It's 18 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,920 actually says that in this article could be from a spike tire, but it's pretty far down into the 19 00:01:53,920 --> 00:02:00,880 ocean. So I doubt it's a spike tire. Yeah, I assume they would be deep sea worms. Yeah, it says they 20 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:07,600 probably think it's an animal, but anyhow, this long name researching thing really doesn't know 21 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:14,400 why it's there, how it got there or anything like that. And leave you with one last quote from this. 22 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,840 It might be the title, but this one's in the middle. So I'm not sure. And that is, I've never seen 23 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,280 anything like that before. With that, I think it's a great time to start the episode. 24 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:31,760 God, I really hope that wasn't the title of the article. You know what, I would read more. I'm 25 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,160 a sucker for clickbait. I've never seen anything like that before. Maybe people will keep listening now. 26 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,360 On the unexplained to the mundane, why don't you come join us on our journey to the fringe? 27 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,000 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, now with less than 30 parts per million of lead, 28 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,720 making our consumption only dangerous for the young and feeble. We are your mostly safe host 29 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,640 for consumption, Taylor and Chelsea here today, following up on our space themed episode with a 30 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:14,800 NASA episode. And I started out with a general idea of what I want to do for this episode. And 31 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,400 there's so many different fringy controversies you can go down the rabbit hole with when it comes to 32 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,760 NASA. We could do that NASA is full of Nazis or at least started full of Nazis. Unfortunately, 33 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:31,600 we've done that one. That's true though. Yeah, we could do the moon landing and just anything 34 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,400 regarding that. Like, did you know there's an entire Wikipedia page just on fake moon landing 35 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:43,280 conspiracies? You know what, I'm always disappointed when I go to you, oh Jesus, Wikipedia for 36 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,400 anything conspiracy theory or cryptid related because it's all just shooting it down and all 37 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:55,600 the reasons why it's not real. Yes. Because they get scientists to edit those. Yeah, but I also 38 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:01,600 feel like they have some like hope. Yeah. Yeah. Not hope, just like some hope. Hopium. 39 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Yeah. Hopium. Hopium. Like, I don't know what the word is. Like mystique, some like, you know, 40 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,600 nice. I don't know. Just give me some promise that it might be true for a little bit and then 41 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:20,640 shoot it down. We could also do that astronauts keep seeing UFOs while they're in space. We could 42 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,560 do hell. NASA has many logos that have occult symbolism within them. The fact that they have a 43 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Mars rover up there that keeps photographing gophers, lizards and bigfoot. We could talk about how 44 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,920 NASA's live feeds keep mysteriously cutting out when people say they see weird things on them, 45 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,280 or that NASA keeps denying there are planet sized spaceships siphoning fuel from the sun, 46 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:50,960 or that NASA works in cahoots with Russia and other space programs to push a spherical 47 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,680 planet agenda. That one's not out of the realm of possibility. Or hell, the fact that NASA 48 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,960 teleported a teenage Barack Obama to Mars to fight in a Mars war. That's a good one. Yeah. 49 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Which unfortunately would be a lie because that one's not actually NASA. That's CIA. Right. But 50 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:16,000 instead I decided to focus on a nice little weird story that is based fully in fact about the weird 51 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:23,680 guy who hacked NASA once. Okay, I like weird guys. Yeah. And God, Gary McKinnon, fucking Gary, is as 52 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,960 weird as they come. That's who it is, Gary. Yeah, it's Gary. Gary's are crazy. Yeah, they are. Like 53 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,960 there's Gary Bucey, who's like the craziest living person on the planet. He's still living, right? 54 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. And yeah, so I'm going to tell you a tale about the time that Gary McKinnon 55 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,360 hacked NASA and everything that came from there. So Gary McKinnon at the time this happened in 56 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:53,600 the early 2000. He's 46 years old and he suffers from Aspergers. He's a... Oh, I've seen him. I'm 57 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:59,840 sure you have. Please. Yeah. Yeah. Gary's lawyers describe him as a UFO eccentric, to say the least, 58 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:05,440 who used the internet to search for alien life and is accused of causing the US Army's entire network 59 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:11,680 of more than 2000 computers in Washington to shut down for 24 hours, which the US called the biggest 60 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:18,400 military hack of all time. Oh. Yeah. So Gary has fully admitted that he hacked both the Pentagon 61 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,760 and NASA computers under the pseudonym Solo. That's his name that he hacks under. Okay. 62 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Saying he was looking for evidence of flying saucers and other extraterrestrial activity. 63 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Or not. And in an interview, he describes what he heard from former NASA whistleblower, Donna Haer, 64 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,120 who had been told by a colleague that the space agency was airbrushing UFOs from their photos. 65 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,880 There was a colleague who was in another room. Sorry, this is a quote from Donna. There was a 66 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,360 colleague who was in another room. They all had secret clearance, but they were on different 67 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,600 projects. And she was in this chap's lap or room or whatever it is. And he said, come and take a look 68 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,400 at this. Haer's colleagues who are working in building eight of the Johnson Space Center in 69 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Texas, then reportedly showed her a picture of a large white disk above Earth. He later told her 70 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,080 his entire lab was to do with airbrushing out UFOs from higher-esatellite imagery from NASA. 71 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,200 McKinnon also told the show that it was relatively easy to hack the space agency computers because 72 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,960 the organization was not using non-rotable internet addresses. So yeah, that's the reason why he did 73 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,120 it and just he said it was really easy. And he spent around two years not only breaking into NASA's 74 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,800 online security, but also all the Pentagon's IT systems using a program called Landsearch. 75 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,880 So when Gary was able to do this, when he got into NASA's files, he claims he saw folders named, 76 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,640 and these are the four, filtered, unfiltered, processed, and raw. 77 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Ha, ha, ha. However, he had a 56 kilobyte dial-up internet connection, 78 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,680 56K dial-up, and it slowed him down and he managed to just get one picture from the folder before he 79 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:59,920 lost access. An image of a cigar-shaped spacecraft. Okay. When was this? Did we talk about this year? 80 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:05,840 I have not actually yet. It was between 2001 and 2002. Okay. So he was on dial-up. 81 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,560 It's not out of the realm of possibility. 82 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,040 I mean, we were still on dial-up at that time, 83 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,800 but we lived in the boonies, so we had no other option. 84 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,560 But people living in cities, I know they had. 85 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,120 They had faster. They had cable internet. 86 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:19,960 Faster internet. 87 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,800 Oh, he's in the UK, right? 88 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Yeah. 89 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,240 I wouldn't know about the UK, but what, 90 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,080 at the house of the dial-up? 91 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,440 I couldn't tell you about 92 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,160 trans-fundamental internet speeds at that time either. 93 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,080 Okay, suspicious, but okay. 94 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Well, but no, he actually did hack NASA. 95 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,800 Like the story behind this, there's no question about that. 96 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Yeah, I'm not calling BS on that. 97 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,680 I'm just wondering why the hell 98 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,880 he had dial-up internet at this point. 99 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Yeah. 100 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Why didn't he wait a few years 101 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,200 until he had not dial-up internet? 102 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Was a thing you would have known. 103 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,080 Yeah, it's true. 104 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,960 During his search, he claimed to have found 105 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,920 spreadsheets also on NASA's database 106 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,400 titled Non-Terrestrial Officers, 107 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,080 which he believes is proof of the US having space warships. 108 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,680 Describing what he saw, 109 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,280 he said they were probably 20 officer names 110 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,920 and eight to 10 ship names 111 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,520 beginning with the letters USS, 112 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,680 which I would find hilarious if they were using USS 113 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,640 because that's all how they named ships in Star Trek. 114 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Like the Enterprise, the most common ship 115 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,920 that people know from Star Trek is the USS Enterprise. 116 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Yeah. 117 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,360 So an interesting find, I guess, to say the least, if true. 118 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,600 And this is right from his, 119 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,800 like he did several interviews after the fact. 120 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,640 This is right from one of his interviews 121 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,160 as to what he was doing in his own words. 122 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,560 A NASA photographic expert said that there was a building eight 123 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,040 at Johnson Space Center, 124 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,080 where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs 125 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,040 from the high resolution satellite imaging. 126 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,800 I logged on to NASA and was able to access their department. 127 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,720 They had huge high resolution images 128 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,280 stored in their picture file. 129 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,880 They had filtered and unfiltered 130 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,320 or processed and unprocessed files. 131 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,320 My dial-up 56K connection was very slow 132 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,080 trying to download one of these picture files. 133 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,960 As this was happening, 134 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,800 I had remote control of their desktop 135 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,160 and by adjusting it to four-bit color 136 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,360 and low-screen resolution, 137 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,720 I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. 138 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,680 It was a silvery cigar-shaped object 139 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:17,080 with geodesic spheres on either side. 140 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,640 There was no visible seams or riveting. 141 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,560 There was no reference to the size of the object 142 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,920 and the picture was taken presumably 143 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,040 by a satellite looking down on it. 144 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,720 The object didn't look man-made 145 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,960 or anything like what we have created. 146 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,160 Because I was using a Java application, 147 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,240 I could only get a screenshot of the picture. 148 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Did not go into my temporary internet files. 149 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,760 At my crowning moment, 150 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,840 someone at NASA discovered what I was doing 151 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,200 and I was disconnected. 152 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,280 I also got access to the Excel spreadsheet. 153 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,440 One was settled non-terrestrial officers. 154 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,600 It contained names and ranks of US Air Force personnel 155 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,640 who were not registered anywhere else. 156 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,480 It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, 157 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,960 but I've never seen the names 158 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,960 of these ships noted anywhere else. 159 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,840 So, I did that quote. 160 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,760 So, that's what he said he was doing on there. 161 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Can I ask a quick question or shall I hold my question? 162 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,560 No, go ahead. Go ahead. 163 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,080 Okay, so that's what he did. 164 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,440 How long was he hacked into NASA? 165 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,320 He says in total it was some time from in 2001 166 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,840 to some time in 2002. 167 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,880 Okay, so he did it multiple times. 168 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Does he talk about anything else he found 169 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,160 other than just finding things related to UFOs 170 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,080 and extra terrestrial secret space stuff? 171 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,200 No, he does not. 172 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,080 And the weird thing is, is he hacked into many other departments 173 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 and he doesn't talk at all about what he was doing 174 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,360 in those other departments. 175 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,600 And part of the problem too is this guy has, 176 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:38,520 he is on the spectrum. 177 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,120 He has Asperger's, so he hyper-focuses on things. 178 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,640 Maybe he just didn't find it interesting. 179 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,880 I just find it interesting in his quote 180 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,400 that literally everything he clicked on 181 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,840 was related to UFOs in his opinion. 182 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,440 And then second of all, 183 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,920 that the image that he's viewing is in very low resolution. 184 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,240 I can only imagine with a dial-up connection 185 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,680 the quality of an image that he's looking at. 186 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:06,840 Yeah, and it was just coming in line by line, 187 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,320 very slowly as he was getting it. 188 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Who knows if he even saw the whole picture? 189 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,240 But who will nonetheless, 190 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,280 and I, could you imagine NASA having all these folders 191 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,000 in every folder that you go into? 192 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,160 It's like auto-shopped, not photoshopped. 193 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,120 Yeah. 194 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Like, and obviously he's actually done it, 195 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 but that would be cool to be able to hack into NASA 196 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,600 and like see that kind of stuff. 197 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Cause I would imagine that they do heavily photoshop. 198 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,440 They're known to heavily photoshop their stuff 199 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,640 because the surface of Mars is not red, 200 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,360 and they were photoshopping the color of it for a while. 201 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Well, for the longest time, 202 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,680 we were only getting black and white photos from space, 203 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:47,840 so they add color. 204 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,240 Oh yes. 205 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,080 Yeah, so far. 206 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,680 So that, I fairly like his description. 207 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,600 Like, I wanted to see if there were anything alien related, 208 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,200 so I just went in there and saw it. 209 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,000 Here's the Wikipedia description of what happened. 210 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,160 McKinnon has admitted in many public statements 211 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,720 that he obtained unauthorized access to computer systems 212 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,560 in the United States, 213 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,040 including those mentioned in the United States indictments. 214 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,240 He stated his motivation drawn from a statement 215 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,280 made before the Washington Press Club on May 9th, 2001 216 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,440 by the Disclosure Project, 217 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,480 was to find evidence of UFOs, anti-gravity technology, 218 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,120 and the suppression of free energy, 219 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,080 all of which he states to have proven through his actions. 220 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,600 I could not find quotes from him on anti-gravity 221 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,640 or free energy, so weird. 222 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,640 He'd be nothing that he saw actually. 223 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Well, yeah. 224 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Why would NASA have free energy or anything as well? 225 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,200 Well, Tesla was working on it. 226 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,040 NASA? 227 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:37,880 I don't know. 228 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,840 That's the only thing I can connect it to. 229 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,320 Okay, because he hacked NASA, not Tesla, right? 230 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,680 Yeah, yeah, he hacked NASA. 231 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,000 I don't know if you can hack Tesla. 232 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:48,840 The person, not Tesla. 233 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:49,680 True. 234 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,080 It would probably be pretty difficult. 235 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 In an interview televised by the BBC's CLIC program, 236 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,760 he stated of the Disclosure Project 237 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,520 that they are some very credible, relied upon people, 238 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,880 all saying, yes, there is UFO technology. 239 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,760 There's anti-gravity, there's free energy, 240 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,560 there's extraterrestrial in origin, 241 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:07,160 and they've captured spacecraft 242 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,320 and were first engineered in. 243 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,040 He said he investigated a NASA photographic expert's claim 244 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,000 that a Johnson Space Center building eight images 245 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,280 were regularly cleaned of evidence of UFO crafts, 246 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,120 and confirmed this, 247 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,360 comparing the raw originals with processed images. 248 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 He stated to have viewed a detailed image 249 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,880 of something not man-made and cigar-shaped. 250 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Floating above the Northern Hemisphere, 251 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,320 and assuming his viewing would be undisrupted, 252 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,520 owing to the hour, 253 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,640 but he did not think of capturing the image 254 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,200 because he was so bedazzled, 255 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,000 and therefore did not think of securing it 256 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,480 with a screen capture function and software at the point 257 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,920 when his connection was interrupted. 258 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,200 So I just like that description of it, 259 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,200 where he talks about a lot more overall, 260 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,840 but I couldn't actually find anything outside of him 261 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,480 really being into UFOs. 262 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,560 But there's just clear agreement 263 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,680 that the guy had the chance to take a photo, 264 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,480 and if you're able to hack into NASA, 265 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,640 why would you not screen capture? 266 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,520 He said at one point that he did 267 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,080 of the one that was in very poor... 268 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,360 I know, I know, that's the weird thing. 269 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,800 He said he did, but in Wikipedia, they said they didn't, 270 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,560 and I've never seen the photos that he screen-captured. 271 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,680 Screen-captured, so I'm more in line with Wiki 272 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:14,880 how they've described it. 273 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,480 But he himself was quoted as saying he's screen-captured. 274 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Yes, it's very true. 275 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,920 So odd. 276 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,120 And then the next part of it, 277 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 which is the US description of events. 278 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,480 US authorities stated he deleted critical files 279 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,640 from operating systems, which shut down 280 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,600 the United States Military District 281 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,840 of Washington network of 2000 theaters for 24 hours. 282 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,960 McKinnon also posted a notice on the military's website, 283 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,400 quote, your security is crap, unquote. 284 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,520 After the September 11th attacks in 2001, 285 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,920 he allegedly deleted weapons logs 286 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,040 at the Earl Naval Weapons Station, 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,240 rendering his network of 300 computers 288 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,720 inoperable in paralyzing munitions supply deliveries 289 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,840 to the US Navy's Atlantic Fleet. 290 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,440 McKinnon was also accused of copying data, 291 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,200 account files, and passwords onto his own computer. 292 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,840 US authorities stated that the cost of tracking, 293 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,200 correcting the problems he cost was over $700,000, 294 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 which frankly I found was very cheap. 295 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,600 They're giving a very different story 296 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,440 of what he is saying that he did. 297 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Yeah. 298 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Are there legal ramifications 299 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,560 for what they're saying he did? 300 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,400 Oh yeah. 301 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Okay, because he's basically saying, 302 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,600 I went into these files and look at these UFOs. 303 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,400 UFOs definitely exist, 304 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,480 but the US is saying that he went 305 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 and deleted some pretty heavy stuff. 306 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,920 And why would he wanna do that 307 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,120 if he's only after UFOs and free energy? 308 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Yeah, and the interviews that I've seen with him, 309 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,920 like to be fair to the interviewer, 310 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,880 I get why you wanna focus on the UFO stuff. 311 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:49,880 You gotta ask him, 312 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,840 what the fuck are you doing with the rest of the stuff? 313 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Yeah, like what else did you see? 314 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Or why? 315 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Or is he really just after, 316 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,720 like he's making it out to seem 317 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,880 like he was only after UFOs. 318 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:00,720 Yeah. 319 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,600 If he's actually going in and delete, 320 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,120 like why those files? 321 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:06,920 And he's saying the actual thing. 322 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,960 And how do they know that it's him 323 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,480 that was deleting files? 324 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,400 Well, I don't get into it fully, 325 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,240 but this next line is somewhat damning. 326 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,000 While not admitting that it constituted 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,440 evidence of destruction, 328 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,960 McKinnon did admit leaving a threat on one computer. 329 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,840 US forest policy is akin 330 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,320 to government sponsored terrorism these days. 331 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,880 It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand 332 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,600 down on September 11th last year. 333 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,600 I am solo. 334 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,400 I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels. 335 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,080 And US policies to fight back, 336 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 these attacks as strongly as possible. 337 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,720 As a result of Mr. McKinnon's actions, 338 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 we suffered serious damages. 339 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,720 This was not some harmless incident. 340 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,400 He did very serious and deliberate damage 341 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,160 to military and NASA computers 342 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,720 and left silly and anti-American messages. 343 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,040 All the evidence was that someone was staging 344 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,880 a very serious attack on US computer systems. 345 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,200 Yeah, I mean, why were they so easy to hack into 346 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,080 if they didn't want their system hacked into? 347 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,840 Because it was dialed up. 348 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,200 Nobody really focused on IT back in the day. 349 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,720 Oh yeah, this is before like all the national security stuff, 350 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,560 I guess. 351 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,400 Yeah. 352 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,400 Okay. 353 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,200 But yeah, kind of a crazy story so far, eh? 354 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,520 Yeah, like it. 355 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,720 So he gets arrested by the British national 356 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,480 high tech crime unit in March of 2002. 357 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,600 And they held him in custody for about six or seven hours. 358 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,320 His own computer and once he was fixing for others 359 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,200 were taken away and the other machines 360 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,000 were eventually returned, but they kept his hard drip 361 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,160 that was sent to the US. 362 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,840 And in November of 2002, 363 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,400 the US Department of Justice started 364 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,800 their extradition process. 365 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,280 And I took this directly from the extradition, 366 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,760 documents that were posted online, London. 367 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,480 England hacker indicted under computer fraud 368 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,240 and abuse act for access in military computers. 369 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,760 Gary McKinnon of London, England was indicted 370 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,320 in Alexandria today by a federal grand jury 371 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,280 on seven counts of computer fraud and related activity. 372 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,480 McKinnon faces on each count a maximum sentence 373 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,560 of 10 years of imprisonment and $250,000 in fines. 374 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,640 The United States intends to formally request 375 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,280 the United Kingdom Extradite McKinnon. 376 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,800 According to the indictment between March of 2001 377 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,080 and March of 2002, Gary McKinnon accessed and damaged 378 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,480 without authorization. 379 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,960 92 computers belong to the United States Army, 380 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Navy, Air Force, Department of Defense in NASA. 381 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,320 And six computers belong to a number of private businesses. 382 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,400 And this is, I find this kind of weird, 383 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,280 but this is Gary's a weird guy. 384 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,560 So like whatever he thinks is just in his mind. 385 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,680 So he could face up to 70 years in jail 386 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,000 with what he was being charged with. 387 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 He also suspects he would be sent to Guantanamo Bay, 388 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,280 but I could not find any evidence as to why he believes that. 389 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,840 I mean, if he has Asperger's, it could be for any reason. 390 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Yeah. 391 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Could have been in the files that he was into and deleting. 392 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:51,880 Yeah. 393 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,640 He deleted them so there's no proof. 394 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,440 Yeah, that's exactly how it works. 395 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000 And then the British Crown prosecution was also going 396 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,200 to bring charges against him, but they dropped them 397 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,360 in June or July of 2005. 398 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,760 And at that point he's put in prison 399 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,000 and going to be extradited to the US. 400 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Oh no, not to Guantanamo. 401 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,680 I know, exactly to Guantanamo. 402 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,800 So the UK was going to extradite him, 403 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,600 but Gary gets a lawyer and he appeals the extradition. 404 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,080 And I don't just purely my opinion, 405 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,880 the lawyer has a terrible plan here. 406 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,040 So they appeal it. 407 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,520 And as Barrister told the law lords that the prosecutor 408 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,440 had said McKinnon faced a possible eight to 10 years 409 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,160 in jail per count if he contested the charge 410 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,120 without any chance of repatriation, 411 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,920 but only 37 to 46 months if he cooperated 412 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,520 and went voluntarily to the United States. 413 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,880 So that would be a plea deal. 414 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,680 If you agree to just go and serve the time, 415 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000 you're pleading guilty, you can just do the time. 416 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,840 Okay. 417 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,200 And plea bargains are not a part of English jurisprudence. 418 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,440 So Gary's Barrister said that the law lords 419 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,240 should deny extradition if there was an abusive process. 420 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,160 Quote, if the United States wishes to use the processes 421 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,880 of English courts secured the extradition 422 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,600 of an alleged offender, then they must play by our rules. 423 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,880 So because they offered him a plea deal, 424 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,440 he's saying, no, they can't do that. 425 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,840 They have to use British rules for an extradition. 426 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,680 Okay. 427 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,840 And then the House of Lords absolutely rejects it 428 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,160 and they say that the difference between the American system 429 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,040 and our own is not perhaps so starked 430 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,320 as McKinnon's argument suggests. 431 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,600 And that extradition proceedings should accommodate 432 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,480 legal and cultural differences 433 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,440 between the legal systems of the many. 434 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,640 Foreign friendly states with whom the UK 435 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,320 has entered into reciprocal extradition arrangements. 436 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,600 I may not understand British law, 437 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,000 but that just seems like a bad argument in my mind. 438 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,120 Yeah, I'm not really sure, to be honest. 439 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,800 And then he appeals again 440 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,840 to the European Court of Human Rights, 441 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,280 which actually puts a bar on the extradition. 442 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,720 On June 23rd, 2009, he won the right 443 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 to apply for judicial review against the extradition. 444 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,520 And then he loses at the High Court. 445 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,280 So he's gonna get extradited until one plucky young 446 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,480 political up and comer by the name of Theresa May, 447 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,640 who's actually Prime Minister of the UK at this time. 448 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,440 In 2012, announced to the House of Commons 449 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,200 that the extradition had been blocked. 450 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 She specifically said that Mr. McKinnon is accused 451 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000 of serious crimes, but there is also no doubt 452 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,400 that he's seriously ill. 453 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,640 He has Asperger's syndrome 454 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,520 and suffers from depressive illness. 455 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,920 Mr. McKinnon's extradition would give rise 456 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,280 to such a high risk of him ending his life 457 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,880 that a decision to extradite would be incompatible 458 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600 with Mr. McKinnon's human rights. 459 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040 She stated that the director of public prosecutions 460 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,760 would determine whether McKinnon should face trial 461 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,800 before British court. 462 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,520 On December 14th of 2012, the department's DPP, 463 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,720 Kier Stamer, announced that McKinnon would not be prosecuted 464 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,600 in the United Kingdom because of the difficulties involved 465 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,360 in bringing a case against him 466 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,560 when the evidence was all in the US. 467 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960 So this guy actually never served any jail time, 468 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,280 but it is the weirdest court cases 469 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,600 that you would ever hear. 470 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Because he was gonna be extradited 471 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,080 and then he can't be extradited 472 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,800 because the UK says, look, this guy has Asperger's 473 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,560 and would not fare well in a US prison. 474 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,400 And then they would try him, 475 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,560 but the US government has all of the evidence 476 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,000 and they don't wanna pay to send somebody over 477 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,480 with all that evidence and all the people 478 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,400 who can sit on the trial for it as witnesses. 479 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,640 So they're just like, fuck it, you can go. 480 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,840 So they won't even like offer to throw him in jail in the UK? 481 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,320 No, he's never actually got charged with anything. 482 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,560 Now, I also do wanna just conclude this quote 483 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000 from Gary's mom while this is all going on. 484 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,560 I'll do it in my best cockney dachshund I can. 485 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840 Oi, what Gary did was wrong, 486 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,840 born of his compulsive and obsessive behavior, 487 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000 but does not justify Gary's extradition, 488 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680 which would be a cool and excessive punishment, 489 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 particularly given his ass-bocus. 490 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,680 However, just because he didn't serve time, 491 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,760 doesn't mean that he doesn't have repercussions 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,040 from it to this day. 493 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,360 In fact, his lawyer after this all finished up 494 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,560 made a statement saying like every other country 495 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,680 that America has an extradition treaty with 496 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560 that extradition warrant is still out there and still live. 497 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,280 So basically Gary can never leave the UK 498 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,640 for the rest of his life. 499 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,480 Oh, that sucks. 500 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,320 Yeah. 501 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,080 But hey, this was a long time ago. 502 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,640 What's Gary up to these days? 503 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,280 Well, the most recent update I could find on him 504 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,720 was from 2014. 505 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,560 A long time ago. 506 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,280 And yeah, Gary is now offering a personalized 507 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080 low entry cost search engine optimization service 508 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,840 for businesses and organizations through his company, 509 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,520 smallseo.co.uk. 510 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,360 Are you sure that's not spam? 511 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,680 No, it's not. 512 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,000 Actually, it was on, there was a website called 513 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,280 like freegary.co.uk and it was giving updates 514 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,920 the whole time and the very last update is 515 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,280 this is what Gary's up to now. 516 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,240 He charges $40 an hour and on average, 517 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 clients get charged about 250 pounds. 518 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,280 I'm pretty sure we get a million emails 519 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,640 from Gary McKinnon like every day. 520 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,120 On his website too, there's people who leave reviews. 521 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,960 I can recommend smallseo to anyone wishing 522 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,520 to promote their website on all the main search engines. 523 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,680 Gary was expert and professional in all his dealings. 524 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,520 Gary. 525 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,200 But yeah, that is the weird saga of the guy 526 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,400 who performed the largest hack in US Department of Defense 527 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,240 history and says he found UFOs on NASA's hard drives. 528 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,240 Nice, like that. 529 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Really took a turn, didn't it? 530 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Did, yes. 531 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,880 Thought it was a feel good. 532 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560 It kind of is a feel good story in the end actually. 533 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,600 Oh, and also sorry, can you please go to 534 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040 smallseo.co.uk right now and look at the logo 535 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,040 he decided to use. 536 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,680 Smallseo.what? 537 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,160 .co.uk. 538 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600 I like that logo. 539 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,160 It goes with our logo. 540 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Yeah, it is a circle with a UFO at the top 541 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,280 beaming up a man who's standing on the ground. 542 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,080 And then one of the first picture flashes 543 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,480 is a small man sitting on the keyboard of a laptop. 544 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,200 Yeah, he's recommending it. 545 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,040 But him? 546 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,840 Very well, could be. 547 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,960 But that is the end of this episode, 548 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560 probably not the end of our discussion on NASA. 549 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,680 There are many things we could discuss NASA for. 550 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,320 You listed like five at least to starting this episode on. 551 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,920 So we're going to have to do more. 552 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Exactly. 553 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200 In the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea 554 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,200 talking about some weird NASA stuff. 555 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,800 Thank you all for listening and we will see you next week. 556 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,640 Thanks. 557 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 558 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,120 If you have liked what you have listened to, 559 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