So I've got three openers. Do you want to start with water pollution, water protecting us from
pollution or panspermia? The first one I want to hear first. Start with the worst one that it sounds
like first. The worst one. Well, following up on the episode we did not that long ago on water
and really how we all learned that tires are absolutely awful for the environment. Not long
after that episode came out there is an article in the Guardian about it. And first off I learned
that British people spell tires with a Y which kind of blows my mind. What? Yeah. That's insane.
Yeah. What is this world even? What is that? I know. Okay, I mean whatever to them. That doesn't
even matter. But not only that, they also talked about tires within this and they said that car
tires produce vastly more particles of pollution than exhaust as of now. Really? Yeah. So toxic
particles from tire wear are almost 2000 times worse than from exhaust as weights of cars increase.
What can we even do? Like invent a hover car? Well, and this is a weird thing. It's both. Cars
are getting bigger and they're getting heavier. But I'll talk about that once we're done with this
article. It was posted on the Guardian on June 3rd of 2022 and the article is written by Damian
Carrington. So almost 2000 times more particle pollution is produced by tire wear than is pumped
out of the exhaust of modern cars as of now. Wow. The tire particles pollute air, water, and soil
and contain a wide range of toxic organic compounds including known carcinogens and
the analysts say suggesting tire pollution could rapidly become a major issue for regulators. Tests have also
revealed that tires produce more than one trillion ultrafine particles for each kilometer driven,
meaning particles smaller than 23 nanometers. These are also emitted from the exhaust and are of special
concern to health as their size means they can enter organs via the bloodstream. What? Particles
below 23 nanometers are hard to measure and are not currently regulated in either EU or the US.
I was not ready for that turn. Yeah. Here's a quote from a Nick Molden at Emissions Analytics.
Tires are rapidly eclipsing the tailpipe as a major source of emissions for vehicles. Tailpipes are now
so clean for pollutants that if you were starting out fresh you wouldn't even bother regulating them.
We came to a bewildering amount of material being released into the environment. 300,000 tons of
rubber in the UK and US just from cars and vans every year. There are currently no regulations on
the wear rate of tires and little regulation on the chemicals they contain. Emissions Analytics has
now determined the chemical present in 250 types of tires which are usually made from synthetic
rubber derived from crude oil. There are hundreds and hundreds of chemicals many of which are
carcinogenic. The wear rate of different tire brands varied substantially and the toxic chemical
content varied even more. He said showing low cost changes were feasible to cut the environmental
impact. You could do a lot by eliminating the most toxic tires he said. It's not about stopping
people from driving or having to invent completely different new tires. If you could eliminate the
worst half and maybe bring them in line with the best in class you can make a massive difference
but at the moment there's no regulatory tool then there's no surveillance. And used tires produced
36 milligrams of particles for each kilometer. 1,850 times higher than the 0.02 milligrams per
kilometer average from exhaust. Very aggressive though legal driving style sent particle emissions
soaring to 5,760 milligrams per kilometer. So like 800 times higher. And this is the big thing here.
The average weight of all cars has been increasing but there has been particular debate over whether
battery electric vehicles which are heavier than conventional cars and can have greater wheel torque
may lead to more tire particles being produced. Bolden said it would depend on driving style
with gentle EV drivers producing fewer particles than fossil fuel cars driven badly. Though on
average he expected slightly higher tire particles from electric vehicles. Interesting take on that
because supposedly an electric car is supposed to be better for the environment but if it's all
coming from the tires. But they're not measuring um co2 going into the atmosphere as a uh as a
pollutant per se. Yeah. Like these are other pollutants to the environment. Without that
though as well on the side of tires as well that batteries are supposed to be worse for the
environment than just a regular car or the electric cars. Yeah. Lithiums are great. Oh. So yeah.
A few things against it right there. But yeah that's not even something we really talked about
in that episode was the fact that cars are getting heavier and larger which means there is more wear
coming off the tires and they're a very lowly regulated industry. Oh I had no idea that tires
even from I mean I know you're not supposed to stop obviously from our episode but that's crazy. I
had no idea. But yeah with that the world's a sadder place so let's talk about something
funner. Cue music. Let's go to the episode. From the unexplained to the mundane why don't you come
join us on our journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe where we
metaphorically take you to see normal's freak babies. You know the ones who's paying alimony
to them under the table. They live in the next state over and its spouse doesn't know about them.
We are your purveyors of normalcy filth Taylor and Chelsea. Speaking of freak babies talking about
one David Wilcock. That's a beautiful tie in. He is a freak baby. If you're not tuned in to the UFO
community or the alternative science community you may not know this man's name. However there
is a definite reason and linearness to the episodes that we've been doing the last little while.
Setting up to get to this point. This man actually a weird cosmological sort of way is the entire
reason this podcast came about. It is a weird cosmological way. Yeah we just wanted to shit on
people we did not like in the UFO community. He's one of the top on the list. He is top on the list
and it is that hatred for him that uh really brought us about to where we are now. So you
have this man to thank. If he did bring one good thing into the universe it is this podcast episode.
Yeah so in the end just go thank him for that. He born the podcast. Thank you for that and now
it's gonna take a turn I think. I mean we're gonna see. Maybe not. Okay we'll see. We're gonna
distinctly break this up into a two-part episode. There is the portion that I will be doing today.
This is David Wilcock, his life, what we know about him up to a very particular point in both
the world and his life that you all do understand why we chose this point to separate the before
and afters and then Chelsea will be taking over to see what becomes of this monstrosity known as
the David Wilcock timeline. Freak baby and from that very specific time point as well. Now I do
need to take one really quick break because I am out of alcohol and I have to listen to David
Wilcock talk for several minutes in this episode and you cannot do that without alcohol. Oh no.
No. Let's take a fiver. I'll be right back but we need alcohol for this part. Okay I'm loaded.
Well not yet. I just have alcohol. Okay I am back. We are good to go. Did you hear that dog barking?
I did hear it bark a little bit in your intro. Maybe I should go close the door. Go yell at it.
You fucker. Okay hold on a second. Okay bad news I can't close the door so I'll just mute myself.
You should have just yelled at the dog. Hey shut the fuck up. Without further ado we are going to
be talking about the mushroom-cutted individual known as David Wilcock. Now he doesn't even have
the haircut like that anymore. Well he rose to fame in the 90s so it makes a lot of sense. He just
keeps going with it though it works for him. Sure so I'm I'm going to talk a little bit about his
rise to fame kind of how it all came about. Then we're going to move to his self-written biography.
We're going to talk about a few interviews he's done and we're going to talk about some of his
science in this episode. So Chelsea I have a very loose idea of what this episode's going to look
like. I'm okay with that. If you have any questions or anything you want to talk about while we're
going through it feel free I might just stop you if I say it comes up in a bit. Okay. But we can
make this a little more open of an episode. Okay I agree with that. That's totally where my notes
are taking me as well and when you said that it reminded me of another Dumb and Dumber quote
when the police officer is like you pumpkin pie haircut and freak. Oh what a show. I know a quote
for everything in life I tell you. Okay thank you for that input and like that input we're going to
talk about a lot of words that David Volcock has written. He started kind of in the alternative
science psychic world in about 1936 to 1999. He really started his own website in 1999. It was
called ascension2000.com. You can't find this website anymore it's not up. You can get to it
through the way back machine but it no longer exists. If you go to ascension2000.com it is an
entirely different website now. It seems to intentionally have much of its information
tried to be removed from the internet and it makes sense. We're going to get into it a bit.
Oh I love it. Okay. And this is where I had no idea this guy just so we need to get this out of
the way right now because it comes up a ton. He thinks he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.
Simple as that. It's going to come up a lot and I always found it so confusing because he is not
known as like a seer or a prophet really. He's more known like his most famous thing that he's
ever done was he was on ancient aliens for a couple seasons. Yeah that's probably where
most people would know him from just like the lay person. You see that guy on ancient aliens
you're like okay why does he keep talking about how he's Edgar Cayce? Well if you go back to the
very start of his internet era he was writing down his dreams as if they were their premonitions of
the future and he did them as in like question answer style like Edgar Cayce did. What? Like how
the hypnotist would ask him questions? Yes but it was just it was him asking questions to someone
in his dream who was answering them for him. I mean I could do that. Yeah so he does these
there's thousands of them on this webpage basically of him talking about his dreams and what they were
prophesizing and boy is there a reason he doesn't want a lot of these up there. Like the last one of
1999 that has a note right at the top some people may not ever be able to access the internet again
after the Y2K rollover date as we do have readers in many foreign countries all over the world and
there are wide discrepancies in levels of compliance both within the U.S. and Canada area and abroad.
Therefore we hope that you receive this in time to put it at the end of the book if you have been
printing these readings as they go along. For those of you who still have power and telephone
access to the net we will continue to post readings providing that the telephone services
everything here in Virginia Beach and servers in Los Angeles, California are functioning properly.
This contingency assures us that no one reading these articles is left with an unfinished body of
work. Casey never got to do this so in one sense we have quite the privilege here. How old was he
at this point do we know? He was born in 73 so he's about 26 so he's his mid-20s. Interesting
interesting that he wants to do that 26. I also want to make a point just asking here as far as
him thinking he's Edgar Casey I mean he very well may think he's Edgar Casey is one thing but
the feeling that I get for him and maybe I should hold my comments is that he's more just using this
to gain the footing that he's wanting. At the beginning what he was trying to do too is be this
prophetic individual. We're going to talk about it a bit more and the greatest one that he could think
of was Edgar Casey and he's living in Virginia Beach at the time so he really tries to glob on
to that image. Yeah and I don't know if you're going to talk about this so just tell me to shut
up if you do. Oh boy we are. I watched you know just to refresh myself a little bit. There's so
much he put like the guy is full of himself and he just keeps talking as you may already know or
you're gonna find out if not I just told you. His setup and everything is that he is reincarnated
Edgar Casey so in the interview I watch with him his like nice little setup he takes a picture of
Edgar Casey and puts his portrait that looks like he's trying to impersonate that photo in that photo.
He is and all of the pictures that he has are deliberately put in the same tone in the same
shadows and then he goes through all the people he knows and specifically takes who looks most
like this person in Edgar Casey's life so he goes through a slideshow of people and then he puts
his friends up next to him being like they're all the reincarnation of Edgar Casey's friends like
we are all the same soul group and I just find it kind of comedic that he went through all the trouble
of finding these photos and then finding photos of his friends to replicate like what they look
like in the photos that he chose to put up there like prove his point like yes it's me. And when
you see him making this comparison that he's Edgar Casey reincarnate which first off doesn't matter
if you look the same in reincarnation that is not how reincarnation works at least as far as I
understand it like maybe I'm off because reincarnation is a weird thing that may or
may not actually exist there's no science to back it up but as far as I can tell you can be
reincarnated according to Buddhism as a bug so is that bug gonna look like Edgar Casey? Probably not
but he's always using the same photo too it's just one photo that he compares it to. The one photo that he
like looks I'll say like yeah okay it kind of looks like him but there's a million other
photos of Edgar Casey and David Wilcock in which they look nothing the same but that's one of his
things where he just really nails it to be like this is just another thing and people who are
already taken in by it or like that is him that look at that picture that is Edgar Casey. Yeah and
to finish that rant off as well he doesn't look like him in that photo like if you compare features
the features aren't the same at all. No they're not but he has the colors the same and everything
the same so that it just kind of if you quickly look at it you're like okay yeah I've never seen
Edgar Casey before and this guy has a weird haircut and a big forehead and he's also in Virginia
Beach so it must be him. Yeah that is why he does the Edgar Casey thing though because he's trying
to market himself early on as kind of a prophet the seer and he tried to take that persona of Edgar
Casey early on. Boy does it not last though. Other things that he quoted or has quotes of that he
predicts will happen this I found it's a great video on YouTube by a YouTuber by the name of
Truth Be Told all one word B is the letter B. I like it. Posted by David Wilcock on his website
on February 23rd 1999. I don't know whether this will be the big one or just a major quake what I
do know what we are heading into is truly beyond description our bodies will be transformed into
light and as I explained in the book there is a full scientific explanation for how when and why
this will happen and just in case you have no idea what he's talking about when he talks about that
date it's on the website Ascension 2000 so he's got an idea of when this is all gonna happen. Oh
it's 2000. Yeah at first at first yes. Okay I was just gonna say we don't have access to this website
anymore because we don't have the way back machine. We do have the way back machine. Oh we do. Yes I
I've gone on the website it's weird. Okay. And the much like all 90s websites were. I was just gonna
say did it look like did it have like flashing like. Didn't have anything flashing it was just
very nondescript in a lot of spots. Now next quote from April 21st 99. Lastly there is again a
repeated reference to the upcoming Ascension event here on the planet. We need to realize that this
is not speculation but fact. I have written a comprehensive book called Convergence from a
largely scientific standpoint that gives definitive proof that this Ascension event is really going
to happen. And in Convergence chapter one of the book he wrote why do we somehow know that we are
indeed about to experience something so fantastic as to be the single greatest moment of all time.
We will demonstrate that the 1999 to 2000 Ascension vortex is the result of all dimensions
in the solar system operating through large approximately 25 000 year cycles. So that's his
start. Also when you're on the Ascension webpage I picked a random date to kind of go in. I think
it was around the year 2001. No sorry it was after the year 2005. He's got some interesting stuff on
there. Top of the page right here Mayan Ascension cruise with David Wilcock November 5th to 12th
2005. $999. Yes call now for the best spots and make 2012 come alive today by going to the exact
sites where it all happened. The calendar, the pyramids, the mystery, the grid vortexes. Be there
to experience it with David firsthand in 2005. But that's not all. We set sail in Tampa Florida on
day one then have another complete day at sea with full-on lectures and Q&As with David. By the way
emphasis added because he puts an exclamation mark after David a lot. So at this point is he popular?
I don't think he is. I don't think he has much of a following at this point. This is after his first
appearances on coast to coast so I think he has started to get the popularity and he is milking
it hard. Oh yeah he's hosting a cruise. That's the next big step. Day three we hit Georgetown
on the magnificent tropical Grand Cayman Island. Why? No idea. You know because this is a great Mayan
ruins. This is a great Mayan ruins. No that's it. That's it. Grand Cayman Island. Day four we visit
the ruins, jungles, and beaches at Costa Maya Mexico. Okay kind of tied in even though who
fucking knows what ruins. Day five see the rainforest gorgeous coastline in stunning
ruins of Belize City. Day six snorkel in the fantastic coastal reefs of Cozumal
and explore the relics. I don't know. I wonder if this cruise sold out. Probably not. I mean it
could have but like who was there with him on his portion of the cruise. And then day seven we sail
the seas with David as we cap off a stunning week of discovery. Return home tanned rested and ready
for 2012. On the eighth day ask anyone from our family who just journeyed to Egypt with us.
This will change your life. So they just did an Egypt trip too. Okay this is what year again?
2005. Okay ready to take on 2012. You're tanned and ready for 2012.
And then he has the he has the travel agent's name and phone number right after that.
So I'm gonna skip that. The next thing after that is just as great. Beyond the Da Vinci code on April
23rd this weekend. Click on the flyer to blow up the details for our first of the two events.
And this is my favorite part of the entire thing. Right next to the new living expo in San Francisco
he is too cheap to pay to attend or host a booth at the new living expo. He's hosting beside it.
Okay so he didn't have that big of a following at this cruise. See I don't know I don't know if he's
trying to grift off it or if he got asked and he's like nah and then he did something right next to
it or if he asked if he could and they said no. But I love that. I do love that. Right next to the
new living expo in San Francisco. Just going off of it maybe he wasn't invited and he wanted to
like he was. Yeah. Like he was a part of it. That's the only reason you would do that. Make you
seem like you're a part of it. You also won't want to miss our fully catered day-long event with
David in Larkspur, California on Saturday April 30th. We begin where the other talks left off
and launch into even grander mysteries and truths including direct experiential practices of higher
consciousness and readings from never before revealed secret mystery school texts left to
David by a dying old woman who needed to keep the sacred fire burning. What? What fucking old woman?
What fucking nose? But I just had to include that one because he didn't pay for the booth.
I was just gonna say, if there's another event he hosted right next to, I have to ask was there any
mention of the band on the cruise? No but we're gonna get to that. Okay. Yeah. I'm glad we're
gonna get to it but I'm like where why wasn't there mention of the band? I don't get that. I
was actually worried because like we talked about when we were doing the research here it really
seems like a lot of David Wilcox stuff has been scrubbed from the internet. Like he keeps a very
specific persona online and I was worried because I could not find many reference any references to
his band which I always thought was we listened to a lot of this his stuff growing up in our early
20s at just out of high school and you just take it for what it is but the greatest most hilarious
part was every interview he did referenced his band. Yeah which is the most hilarious thing if
you'll go back and listen to our Eggie. And sorry everybody if you haven't done it when we're talking
about the Edgar Cayce appearance pause now or just continue listening to us and go on google
and look up what David Wilcox looks like. He does not look like a rock star in any sense of the word.
To be fair we've never actually listened to the band we don't know that he is a rock star he might
just play the clarinet. And here is the shittiest thing I found the name of the album that he put
out like when he was big it's not on Spotify. What? Yeah like in the 2000 to 2010. This is shocking
information to me right now actually because all he did was talk about his band at one point.
So that's what I wanted to bring you guys from the Ascension 2000 website. It does get shut down
right around the time that we're talking about about 2005 and David starts a new website called
Divine Cosmos. Man there's some gems on Divine Cosmos that we're going to get to because that
is where he wrote his biography. It is still up to this day his bio has not been updated since 2006.
That doesn't surprise me. But around this time too this is where David Wilcox gets introduced
into I don't know what you would call it but kind of that mainstream UFO community professional or
expert because in 2004 he has his first appearance on Coast to Coast AM. For those of you that don't
know what Coast to Coast AM is it's a three hour AM radio show that is hosted between I believe
it's 10 p.m to 1 a.m pacific or like 1 a.m to 4 a.m eastern standard time. It's hosted by George
Norrie. I think it's widely considered to kind of be once you get on that show you kind of get
into the pipeline of the obscure and the UFO community and the all science stuff. Pretty much it's probably one of the most
mainstream. And it's the entry point to where you kind of start to make it big and I put big in quotation
marks because these guys don't make a ton of money. No they don't and I know the first place
we probably heard of David Wilcox was I think my first interview I watched with him was Project Camelot.
Forgot about those guys. Yeah they do a lot of interviews with whistleblowers and stuff like that.
They're a lot less credential worried Linda Moulton Howe type thing. A lot less, way less like none at all probably.
In 2004 he finally gets his break on Coast to Coast AM and I don't know how this relationship kind of started
but he is on the episode with Richard C. Hoagland and Richard C. Hoagland kind of introduces him to
this community. If you don't know who Richard C. Hoagland is don't worry about it we might do an
episode on him in the future. He kind of falls into this group as well. He's very famous within
the community for kind of being the first person to say Cydonia on Mars has secret Mars bases
that NASA's operating off of and there's a secret space program which is kind of I think where he
got his move into the secret space program aliens things from there. I believe he does have a tie-in
and then his work changes once he gets in with Richard Hoagland from what I read. Yeah exactly
exactly so that happened on May 15th 2004 he's on Coast to Coast apparently it goes great because on
June 23rd 2004 he has his second Coast to Coast episode and this one is called Casey's Reincarnation
and the entire episode is just about how David Wilcock is a reincarnation of Edgar Casey. The
fact that him and another guy wrote a book how he is Edgar Casey. I'm surprised did we ever look into
did you look into whether or not he's accepted as the reincarnation of Edgar Casey through the
the Institute of I don't think he is no I don't think he is either but I didn't look for sure we
can confirm that for the next episode. Okay let's do that I'm gonna make a note right now. Unfortunately
Coast to Coast Chelsea got rid of her subscription a few years ago because George Norrie went crazy.
I did I was an avid listener to Coast to Coast AM and I got rid of it about two and a half years
ago I was like I'm not paying for this BS anymore and you can't find the actual episodes anymore
from a particular period so unfortunately I thought I had lost a bunch of these episodes
and wouldn't be able to hear them but David Wilcock has so much narcissism and an ego that
needs to be fed that he put the transcript up on his website. Of course he did. This is a bit of
the story that happens actually my favorite part of the entire thing I just need to find it really
quick. If you haven't gotten it right now David Wilcock I don't know if I should be putting this
here like Taylor just said has a huge ego about himself. Yeah that's our opinion based on the
evidence that we've been reading I think and our whole life experience of hearing him talk. Yeah
we've listened we've I've listened to quite a bit of David Wilcock then it got old because I was
like I can't hear this guy talk about himself anymore. Yeah so the other guy just so we're on
the same page the other guy who wrote the story our Edgar Cayce book with David Wilcock his name
is Wynn. So there's three people there's George Norrie there's Wynn and there's David Wilcock in
this conversation and I absolutely love this quote this George Norrie and that's going to go into
Wynn. Now Wynn at the time did David believe that he might be the reincarnated Edgar Cayce had that
come up yet? Wynn well the implication on his website was that he believed that. I don't remember
if he said it outright. It was such an outrageous thing to say and David was just so concerned
about people thinking that he was trying to draw attention to himself or being self-aggrandizing.
So he presented the case and talked about David Wilcock Edgar Cayce connection and I believe the
way he presented it was that there was a soul resonance between the two some kind of vocabulary
like that. Like I just love well he never said it he just has it all over his website.
And that's good enough for me. Yeah but no so humble to not say it what a guy.
Okay now this one's a bit longer of a quote from the story or the interview sorry. George okay let's
jump over to Wynn for a second. So Wynn as you were deciding with David to put this book together
the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce with a question mark because nobody can prove it 100%
that came up earlier in the interview. I just had to add that and I notice you both have a question
mark at the oh no sorry it's right here I'm gonna get into it and I notice you both have a question
mark at the end of it. Why are you not just making it a definitive statement? Why the question mark?
Wynn well you know there's no way to absolutely prove anything. People don't even believe that
reincarnation exists. So it was my thought that putting the question mark there allows a person
to look at the case. Basically I presented the case in the book. I was the one who was investigating
it and I revealed how it came to me how David had to be Cayce. So I let the readers follow my own
track of unfoldment to see if it made sense to them rather than saying it was just so. It's an
enormous thing to say. I just love that he put the question mark there. It's kind of like a I've got
no liability. Yeah like no I didn't say it. I inflected question at the end. I'm asking you.
I'm actually asking David Wilcox who was implying that he's Edgar Cayce.
One of the things I wanted to bring up that David didn't cover there was that the way this actually
unfolded for David was quite striking in that it actually fulfilled a prophecy of Edgar Cayce.
George here. And what was that? Wynn. Well to go back David was living in New Paltz New York.
He had graduated college and he was into metaphysics and had been recording his dreams
since 1992 and he added things in the middle of this transcript to make it make sense to him.
I don't understand what this means. Recording his dreams. Bracket since 1992, comma in 1996.
He fucking did that. Yeah. Yeah. End bracket. He had a conversation with Joe Mason and then he
asked Joe Mason's website right there who was telling him about how he would hear his dream
voice. Again in brackets. When he woke up in the morning. In brackets. That night. Bracket.
In brackets. As with all other nights. Over the last four years. Close bracket. David.
Close bracket. And put. Close bracket. A pad by his pad to record his dreams.
And when night's over that last dreams. Sorry.
Why did he do that? Yeah. It's an interview. And when he woke up. Bracket. Something different
was happening. Close bracket. There were. Bracket now. Things that were communicated to him. Bracket.
Just like the dream voice that Mason had described the night before. Bracket. And then the ass has
to go here. David Nusser's talking. Yeah. I heard Joe Mason's voice when I woke up in the morning.
Just like when we were talking on the phone the night before. They were mostly nonsense sentences.
But what I did was just rigorously document them exactly as I was hearing them. Mason had taught me
to wake up, remain motionless, and if. Sorry. Again. Bracket. Mason had taught me to wake up,
remain motionless, and if. Wow. You can still remember new details from your dream. You
document all the garbage noise of the subconscious mind. Dot dot dot. What most people think of as
imagination or daydreaming. That becomes the data which you don't read and understand until
you finish the whole process and return to normal conscious. He doesn't close that bracket.
He edited the fucking interview. Yeah. Oh no. Sorry. You know what? I'm just gonna skip. He does close the bracket in four paragraphs.
In four paragraphs. So we're just gonna skip to George. So sorry. There were five paragraphs here
of what David's response was. And this is what he actually said. This is what he said in the interview.
Yeah. I heard Joe Mason's voice when I woke up in the morning. Just like we were talking on the phone
the night before. They were mostly nonsense sentences. But what I did was to just rigorously
document them exactly as I was hearing them. That's it. And then his five paragraphs. Yeah.
I don't see him. Yeah.
Okay. And even he edits George. Which I understand we've all wanted to do it. But come on.
Oh I can't even. This is hilarious. George, do you remember writing bracket these sentences
bracket down during the night? Because apparently somebody would be confused if they just heard
George at this point say do you remember writing that down during the night? I can't. I can't.
This is hilarious. Yeah. David responding to that. Yeah. I just had no idea what the content was.
After I had read through the second time I noticed that I'd said you should visit the pyramids of
Chichen Itza. You can go there with your mind. As soon as I read that bracket line bracket the phone
started ringing. I picked it up and it was this guy I met at a UFO conference saying hey do you
want to go to a seminar on astral projection? George bracket. Chuckles closes brackets. Ha ha ha ha ha.
I just I don't know what to do with that.
Ha ha ha. David it was like being in the matrix when your computer starts talking to you you know.
George well yeah and we all know what it's like to be in that. This is for you. That's a George
Norrie response of underage. Yeah that is. He's not listening. This is for you Wyn. As the
investigator here what proof did David bring forth for you to start saying I think he may be
Edgar Cayce reincarnate? Question mark. Well George it wasn't really that much. He put it on his website.
Yep Wyn. Well to continue the track I had started on David was writing down these sentence fragments.
He would keep a record of them and many of them are on his website and he did put it in here
ascension2000.com. Right now anyone can go look and there's a section where he has his readings
and he has documented all of the best he could do. I hope someone has it printed somewhere. It's
again it's on the way back machine you can go look at it all. It is rambling nonsense. Yeah it sounds
like it really just even by this on divine cosmos it's so this is rambling nonsense but what
credentials does Wyn have to write this or is he just like a hired person to help write his book?
Yeah. Like a ghost writer. Wyn wrote for a metaphysics magazine he said and he has no
actual background in writing books. No background like what? No he said he's more comfortable
jamming and writing small snippets but he wrote a book with David Wilcox. Why are we taking him as
a person to say whether or not he agrees if he's Edgar Cayce? I mean he said himself he just put a
question mark so we could leave it up to us. Okay well let's keep going because this is the story
that proves it's Edgar Cayce. Okay so we got to get to that. I'm ready. Now remember this is directly
for Wyn. It was George Norrie said Wyn answer this question. Okay so Wyn starts going. Wyn has
another part George says something it's of no consequence which I guess I could have edited
George out if that's my conditions on why I'm going to say George's lines but then we wouldn't
get the chuckle ha ha ha so you know take what you get. That was an important part of the interview
I think. So Wyn continues. So after a period of time he would get a sentence that would prophesy
something in his future that was quite specific and it would happen. Now the prophecy was always
a bit cryptic where you couldn't understand it before it happened but after it happened it became
obvious that wherever these sentences were coming from they knew something that was going to happen
for David. One of the ones that is in the book was quotation. You're going to get a three by
eleven sheet paper on Friday at 8 30 and that was on Wednesday I believe that he got that.
David now has to chime in. I actually have that original recording queued up and ready to play
if you guys want to hear it. George yeah how long is that David? It's about 11 seconds. Okay yeah
yeah get it ready. David I'm standing by. George continue if you will Wyn. Do we have this recording
that we can roll? I don't fucking know. So on Friday morning David got a traffic ticket at 8 30 am.
George Norrie laughs. Three inches by 11 inches right? Laughs. Wyn yeah David that was pretty
much what broke the shell and made me say okay I better start taking this seriously.
George okay well we'd better listen to the tape so let's play it here we go.
David all right hang on a sec here we go. George okay David parentheses from a tape in a whisper
with audible cuts after each sentence which I love that he put that there's cuts. Of course he did.
Which it implies he edited this. Oh my god it does. I didn't even think about that. And this
is what the audio says. My gift to the world will be a three inch by eleven sheet of paper
expected on Friday. This runs counter to earlier systems of thought. We can work on visual sites
90 minutes till 10. Was that audible? George well it was in the beginning which is fine.
Now is that your voice? Yeah in the beginning. That's David. I couldn't get enough energy going
through me to get a speaking voice. I could only get a whisper. So this came through and I thought
okay my gift to the world will be a three inch by eleven sheet of paper. Expect it on Friday 90
minutes until 10. It just was more garbage. Like a lot of the other stuff coming through. A lot of
it didn't make any sense at all. So what are you going to do with it? Just say well forget it.
Yeah if everything else is garbage you're going to chalk it up to survivorship bias. Like that's
literally it. And sorry that was what I added. And oh my god just this last part here. Then when I
rear end someone on the highway and the officer writes me a ticket and it's 8 30 and it's Friday
all of a sudden it all just came crashing in brackets pun intended close bracket. Oh my god
okay I'm not even getting into the pun intended but his gift to the world is a fucking speeding
ticket. Yes. Interesting that that's the world a fine that he has to pay. And then George having
made the most astute observation of his entire interview career says yeah but that doesn't mean
you're Edgar Casey. That has to be the smartest thing he said. It's the most astute observation
he uh he ever made. And David Wilcock has made the obse transcribe this onto his website hopefully
with an embellishment or that was just it. Yeah David did respond to that and say oh gosh no
George. So somewhere along the line when you began to dot the i's and cross the t's and you said hey
there's a connection here what was it? When well after a year of David doing these kinds of sentence
fragments and then he started dictating it into a tape recorder and dictating page after page of his
incredible wisdom I knew from talking to David that he could not tap into that directly. David again
question directed at when David let's just clarify that by saying that the oblique and mysterious
quality of the words in the beginning was a function of my lack of tuning. As I worked on this more it
got to the point that it became a lot more eloquent and free-flowing and actually made sense. Bracket
laughs close bracket. Yes which we definitely are doing David. Good on you. When so after a year
David's dream voice he called it he called it his dream voice asked him to move to Virginia Beach.
George the voice we just heard that that's your dream voice David right when right he called it
a dream voice and so that's when David moved to Virginia Beach and of course people were looking
at him and identifying him as looking like Casey. Then I found out that Casey had made a prophecy
which would be interpreted to mean that he was going to return in 1998 and be in Virginia Beach.
Here is the prophecy that Casey made and I will read it directly verbatim. So I'm sure we're going
to get from his. Also I just really want to point out at this point he does not say he paid that
part that ticket. I am guessing that he just skipped town to another state over so that he
doesn't have to pay the ticket. Love it he went to Virginia Beach so he didn't have to pay the ticket.
You know what when you're reading this it just sounds so much better than I assume this interview
ever sounded. Oh it's all the ads David Wilcock really streamlined this down to what it is.
Yeah he really did so that we could get right down to the core of it with the cuts and everything
for the editing on his audio. Yeah so Wynn goes into the prophecy that Edgar Casey gave. Keeping
in mind there are definitely brackets in here definitely brackets. I assumed as much at this
point. Wynn he didn't refer to Casey he referred to bracket Casey's past life as bracket Ra Ta.
Is it not fitting then that these bracket a reference to Ra Ta and his associates closed
bracket must return as his priest may develop himself to be in that position to be in that
capacity of a liberator of the world in a capacity to individuals in those periods to come for he
must enter again in that period or in 1998. I like those options in that period or 1998.
Whatever one fits the prophecy the most. And then there was a book I found called many happy returns
by William Church where Church said brackets Casey closed brackets had a dream where he saw himself
in back in West Virginia surrounded by many of those who had been with him at an earlier time.
Now David's relationship with his dream voice had gotten much much more sophisticated after that
initial fragment that you just heard. George all right well hold that thought Wynn. We'll be right
back with you and David as we are leading up to now to why Wynn made a decision that he believes
that David Wilcox is indeed Edgar Casey reincarnate and we're going to find out from David what made
him believe that he was. I mean just you just don't wake up in the morning and say I think I
was Edgar Casey. I'm George Norrie and we'll be back on Coast to Coast AM. I just I had to finish
it that way. You do look like George Norrie. Thank you because you do need that that is George Norrie's
tried and true. Is that going into break? He is tried and true. That's that and making old people feel good.
Okay here's where I'm at in this. Okay first of all I think he took such a bizarre career path
to wake up however many years old and be like I'm gonna milk being Edgar Casey for all I fucking can
right now and I'm gonna go somewhere with this and look where he is now. Well you'll see in the next
episode but I'm fairly confident based on this interview that I could hire a ghost writer and
I could start writing down my dreams and I could be like in 2023 or sometime I'll be in Virginia Beach.
Do you think I can take it from him that I'm the new reincarnation of Edgar Casey not him? I mean
you got to find the 1998 attachments maybe. I actually think it would be pretty easy. I think
I could take it from him very easily. I think I could give him a run for his money and I could be
like David fucking Wilcox not the reincarnation of Edgar Casey. I think I might be. Look at these
dreams that I'm having. Oh yeah and you can literally just make a tape recording the day
after everything had just happened and say I'm gonna say these in weird fancy ways without any
way of proving the day that I said these to say that oh yeah I prophesized this. Yeah. Pretty easy.
Art in the cuts in my audio that I'm gonna write out in the transcript cut. Yeah why did he write
that? But it's seeming to me fairly simple like I could pretty easily, what's the word that I'm
looking for, challenge him on this that I'm the reincarnation of Edgar Casey. Well and honestly I
bet you there's a lot more photos of Edgar Casey where you look a lot more like him than David
Wilcox does. That is so true and I could go out and get a speeding ticket tomorrow if I wanted to.
Well it sounds like you're right in the back of a car. It does not sound like you got a speeding ticket.
And then again jump state.
Like I could I wouldn't want to ram the back of a car but I could get a speeding ticket. Oh my god.
So at that point I just love that interview and the fact that yes he is self-aggrandizing
so much to the point that he has to he thinks doubt on who's reading it and he has to fill in
an interview with things that he's like my readers aren't gonna get this. I think it did a lot of
justice actually because David Wilcox I don't even know that I would describe him as having charisma.
It's different having you read it to listen to him in an interview because he has such a huge ego
and he loves to talk about himself that I think a lot of people are just taken in with how convinced
he is by himself. That they're like he must be. Hi Taylor here at Journey to the Fringe. Now I know
we promised that this would be a two-part episode however we were having too much fun and it turns
out this is actually going to be a four-part episode. Stay tuned for the second half of my
episode where we are going to discuss David Wilcox's autobiography and a few other things
and then after that stay tuned for two episodes of Chelsea discussing this guy. I do apologize
for a little lie up front but we are fully committed to a four-part episode. Thank you
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