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Okay, in this episode, as a starter, I have what wouldn't necessarily be considered a downer, in fact.

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Hurray!

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Just a little bit of PR.

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For us?

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Not for us, for someone else.

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Oh no.

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Okay.

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I am very clearly identifying it as PR.

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If we must.

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So Chelsea, if you were going through some hard times and you stole somebody's cake, what would you do to make amends?

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I don't know that I would.

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Okay.

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Well, do I want to make amends, firstly?

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I feel like if I stole a cake, I'd want to steal that cake.

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I probably not want to make amends, but do I want to?

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I don't know.

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This is on you, not me.

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Say, if I wanted to, I'd probably get a new cake.

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You mean multiple.

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Let's say that you have an annual budget of several hundred billion dollars, and you come across some teenager with a cake having a good time and you steal their cake.

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Okay.

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What would you do?

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I feel like I wouldn't want to make amends at that point.

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I'd just take it and move on with my day because I have several billions of dollars.

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You got a lot of things to do.

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I get that.

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Yeah, it'd be at the back of my mind.

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It wouldn't matter to me.

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And you know what?

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If we're talking about 70 of the last 80 years, you and the US Army are on the same page, but today, as of April 29th, 2022, the US Army has replaced the birthday cake of one Mary Mione, whose birthday cake they stole 77 years ago in Italy.

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Oh, good.

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Yeah.

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So good story.

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This is a field good PR story from the US Army.

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So it was the eve of Mary Mione's 13th birthday when the US troops arrived in her village in San Pietro near Vicenza in northern Italy to fight against the German soldiers.

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During the battle, her family spent the night in the attic emerging the next day after German soldiers who had fired shots near her home were treated.

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Mione's mother then said about baking a birthday cake, leaving it to cool by an open window, only for it to be stolen by presumably hungry American soldiers.

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It just kind of flew up towards the fumes like you do.

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Yeah.

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It just whits you off the ground.

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Yeah.

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It's irresistible.

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Yeah.

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It both works on cartoon characters and active war participants.

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Exactly.

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That's general knowledge.

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Yeah.

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So an emotional Mione who turns 90 on April 29 was presented with a replacement cake by soldiers from the US Army Garrison in Italy during a ceremony at Giardini Salvi in Vicenza on Thursday.

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She said she had not been expecting the cake, although clearly remember the moment the one baked for her 13th birthday disappeared.

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Did somebody make a complaint along the way?

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Like how did they know to do this?

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I feel like this is something that has been in the works for a long time and they're just at a low point in the Italian like persona that they said, fuck it, we got to replace this 13 year old birthday cake.

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It is literally the cheapest PR we can get right now.

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It really is.

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I did hear this on the radio the other day.

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Yeah.

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20 bucks.

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There you go.

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It's a DQ treat to pizza.

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If she's lucky.

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That is to like Cadillac of all cakes.

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I was surprised.

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She told the local newspaper El Giornale de Vicenza, but then I realized the American soldiers had taken it and it made me happy.

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It was a good end given everything that they had done.

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The large cream cake with strawberries garnished with baskets of mini Easter eggs was presented by Sergeant Peter Wallace and Colonel Matthew Gomlech, the Garrison's commander during a ceremony attended by Italian and American soldiers, local officials and residents.

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Gomlech recalled the fighting between the US military and German forces in the Vicenza area in 1945, during which 19 American soldiers were killed, presumably not one of the ones who stole the cake and how local residents offered the troops bread and wine.

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But notice how they said bread and wine and not cake.

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They just assumed.

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Anyhow, I think that's all we actually need to read.

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It was definitely a fluff story that the US Army is putting out to get on the good side of the PR as most militaries except the Ukrainian military is on the bad side of PR.

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In which case, again, all military should be on the bad side of PR because best case scenario, they are defending you from particulars.

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But for the most part, they're not necessary use of force.

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Like I brought up before, I think my first question was how did they know they needed to replace this cake?

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I feel like a formal request has been lodged for a long time or they may.

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I can't say I would do the same if I had baked a cake and I put it out on the windowsill and it went missing.

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I can't say I wouldn't make a formal complaint over and over again.

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That's why they have the Third Amendment in the US.

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It's the no soldier shell in times of peace be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in times of war, but in any manner to be prescribed by law to avoid people coming into your house and eating all your foods.

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Oh, yeah.

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I had no idea that was very specific amendment in the US Constitution, which really makes you question what they were doing.

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That they need this amendment that the military can't stay in your house.

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How many cakes were stolen?

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Fledges.

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But anyhow, it appears they're making amends with their cakes, one Italian household at a time.

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And yeah, short, sweet, happy, fluffy piece.

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That is fringy.

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That was a good one.

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That was a change of pace.

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Good. Anything to add to that?

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No, I'm just glad that I don't have to think about replacing anyone's cake.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I just wonder where they're getting in their budget.

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No kidding.

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But anyhow, let's get on with our episode.

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Let's do it.

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, the show that makes normalcy in comparison look like the alabaster, middle step child of disappointment.

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Now, does that make sense?

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No idea, but man, does it sound pretty?

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And that's more important.

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What would the pros?

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We are the fanciful word slinging host, Taylor and Chelsea.

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And today said words will be slung like you were Goliath.

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That is to say once, precisely and profoundly.

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That was beautiful.

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And I have no idea what this episode's on, but boy, can I guarantee Chelsea will follow suit with what I just said.

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And I just think I'm going to let you take over from there.

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What do you think, given the title that I gave you for our Twitch stream?

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I mean, I said those words, so I got to believe.

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Star related.

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No, it's me.

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So it's not going to be something like you would do.

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Pink Floyd related.

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No, I would have been good one though.

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Yeah.

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Well, I guess I'll just start the episode.

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Well, that's good then.

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I'm just going to keep guessing.

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That's it.

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That was the episode.

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I just came up with an idea.

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And Finn.

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Okay.

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This time, I thought I would focus on a non UFO episode.

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I feel fulfilled in the UFO department right now, but only for a short time.

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So let's not get carried away.

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This episode, I wanted to focus on a guy that has caught my attention the last little while, and he seems to be maybe somehow connected to mysterious

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Disappearances that I find and a lot of people find so fascinating that David Palaitis speaks a lot about.

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And we've mentioned David Palaitis a few times.

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Never really going into much detail, but I'm not going to start now.

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So what I'm doing today is the glimmer man.

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And that's my favorite name that they go by.

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And I actually need to correct myself right now because I've done a lot of gendering so far.

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And so I'm just going to switch to glimmer person or glimmer.

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They were days and I sketchy one where gender neutral podcast for the most part.

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Can you not just go by the glimmer sin?

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Glimmer sin.

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That's a good one.

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Let's see if I remember that glimmer sin is good.

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Okay.

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That's a really good one.

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I'm going to clarify further because I've already said glimmer man.

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This is the paranormal entity, not the movie starring Steven Segel.

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Oh, glimmer sin.

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I love that.

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That's so catchy.

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Is have you heard of this?

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I have not.

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No.

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Is this the guy who basically looks like predator and camouflage?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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We're going to get into it.

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Obviously, I'm not just going to end it here.

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Glimmer sin just totally encapsulates it all.

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I love it.

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It is sort of a new thing.

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Well, the sightings themselves are not a new thing.

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It's just sort of been catching on in the paranormal community.

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Yeah.

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The encapsulation of this entity is new.

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Exactly.

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Sightings do go back quite a while.

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Obviously, you have to sift through a lot of Steven Segel to get to any glimmer sin accounts.

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And boy, is there a lot just mass wise of Steven Segel.

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Like he's put on some weight.

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Don't even talk to me about Steven Segel right now.

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There's too much of him in my house.

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Is he living there?

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Does he need to bum a room?

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It is like the number one fantasy of someone living in this house, but no, he's not.

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I had no idea Knox loved him so.

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And boy is it so.

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So being that Steven Segel is so synonymous with glimmer they not synonymous synonymous with glimmer they can also be found under other descriptors, including invisible entity.

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Invisible humanoid being predator like entity and cloaked entities.

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If you were to want to Google these because I'm obviously not going to encapsulate everything the internet has.

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So I don't know exactly what glimmer sin would be classified as technically.

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I could find eyewitness accounts.

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However, not a single source.

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Usually when I'm researching something, you can find multiple sources being like, here is what this is.

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Or the root.

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You can usually find like who's the first person to talk about these things.

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Really, there's nothing.

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Nothing that gave a rundown of what the creature could be or whether it be cryptid such as Bigfoot, paranormal entity, vampire, interdimensional being alien.

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You're the judge on this one because I just kind of put it all together based on eyewitness accounts that I read.

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And here we go.

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Just quick question.

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Before we start, do any of these sightings or talk about the glimmer sin predates the movie predator?

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So it's not just it's not just people's creativity coming up from that movie.

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And there's talk that perhaps this could be something that and there's nothing backing this up.

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Obviously, when you Google what's predator based on is nothing backing this up.

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But there is people especially who have encountered this wondering if it's not based on those encounters because it matches almost so perfectly.

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It could be a form of every, every time I've heard many different stories about this type of experience and they all sound exactly and they describe it as a predator like relationship.

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Yeah, it's really weird in that way.

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I've never seen predator.

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But yeah, so I'm just going to kind of explain to you now what it is that people are actually seeing.

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If you've never seen predator like me or read through the notes and put these together like I have people who are experiencing this, they're seeing a humanoid type creature, which appears to be sort of translucent, more of a shimmery, translucent kind of distortion as if it's something being cloaked.

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Because witnesses described seeing some sort of distortions or outline on the entity, especially when it's moving.

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And I say humanoid because the defined outline or distortion that witnesses can make out is that of a humanoid being.

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Let's not jump to a human.

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Let's say something human shape because there's a head or so, two arms, two legs.

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So it may or may not be a human, obviously.

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You can see the background behind them almost like it's a chameleon blending into its surroundings.

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And the effect of this being is described as appearing like heat waves or a saran wrap or a gas with a defined structure shimmering.

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Here's a quote from a witness.

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They say the inside of the outline was very dark shimmering like couldn't escape, which they say is the best way they could describe it or water.

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I've also heard it described as fuzzy kind of like an area is out of focus.

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Like a blob is thrown around a lot again and mostly when it's moving is the blob.

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And while we're on the topic of moving, a lot of the time they're identified because they are moving.

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So you can kind of see it distorted more when it's moving than if it's just standing there.

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It'd probably be a little bit harder to spot there than the feeling of someone watching you.

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They also seem to be pretty agile, easily able to climb trees or even maybe able to fly into the trees.

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I wonder if anyone's even ever thought of that because you can't see them, right?

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Maybe they just I don't know.

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Maybe they have wings.

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Maybe they're everywhere.

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They could be.

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I've never been looking for something like this.

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Well, and maybe for the most part, they just sit still.

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I mean, we're going to talk about it.

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We'll talk about it.

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Like you said, a major reference for most people describing what they witnessed is the predator cloak in the movie, The Predator.

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Cloak part, not the monster.

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It definitely doesn't look like the monster.

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A lot of eyewitnesses that had accounts and then later saw Predator aimed that to be pretty much exactly what they saw.

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Most of the time they're spotted in treetops and in forests.

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Of course, there are outliers, but this is where they tend to be spotted the most.

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Yeah, I think for both of us, our first encounter or our first reading of an encounter with this type of entity would be in Skinwalker Ranch.

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I'm going to read it.

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Okay.

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My other encounter with it is in Missing 411 as well.

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There's another encounter with something like that, which I'm also going to read.

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And I in fact think I just read one of these on Reddit the other day and I was meaning to post it to our subreddit.

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Really?

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Reddit is full of these.

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Because like I said, this is something that's still a little...

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If you were to have an encounter like this and you were to go to the internet and start kind of googling things, it's a little murky.

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But there's a ton of stuff out there.

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I put a ton of stuff, eyewitness accounts in here, but these are ones that are so weird and Reddit's full of it.

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Reddit's where you go if you have an encounter and you want to see if anybody else has seen things like this.

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Yeah, the only problem with Reddit is its search function, to be honest.

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What's that mean?

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If you search on Reddit, you're never going to find what you're looking for.

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Search on Google for it.

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You'll find it on Reddit.

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Oh yeah, that's where I found.

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I don't know if I took anything from Reddit actually, but I did do some research on there.

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Noise, you ask?

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Yes, it does.

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A lot of times, this is so creepy.

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It makes a clicking noise, which is reported by witnesses.

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Like echolocation clicking?

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I guess you could say that, yes.

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Because this is the thing, if you're not reflecting light, like it's going through you, you would actually have a very hard time seeing anything.

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So echolocation would probably be your best fit for actually seeing anything.

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Okay, come again if you're not reflecting light.

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So our eyes work with reflection.

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We have black pupils so that light comes fully within it and we can see things that come in our eyes.

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Okay. However, if you are not reflecting light or absorbing light, then you wouldn't be able to necessarily see anything.

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So your best bet for actually seeing anything would be sonar and or clicking.

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Bring up such good points that brings a whole other creepiness factor to it.

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Ugh, it gives me the creeps actually that you just said that.

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Plus another thing, this is a given.

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Witnesses also hear the movement of the environment around them as they move.

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So they don't move silently.

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They'll hear leaves crunching under their feet, branches breaking, things like that.

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The clicking is not always reported, but it is kind of synonymous with these sightings as well.

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It gives me a creep.

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Certain things can vary between reports.

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However, these are things that will generally remain the same and I'm going to get into a few accounts.

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Of course, I wouldn't leave you hanging.

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Accounts are the best parts of these episodes.

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Now, as always, I've prepared some eyewitness accounts just as I said of people who have encountered the glimmerson.

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If you personally have experienced a glimmerson or any other paranormal thing, really,

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I just want to talk to us and say hi.

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We'd like to hear it.

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Send us an email at journeytothefringe.gmail.com.

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So that's my PR for the episode.

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Let's get into it.

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Eyewitness James, a deer hunter.

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James's encounter goes all the way back to the fall of 1978. It was deer season in small towns such as Georgia.

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James is an avid hunter, likes it, and he was hunting on the public land in the National Forest in Copper Creek just up the road from such us.

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Being an avid hunter, he did his research, previously scouted the area and knew where the water was,

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where the game trails were, ridgers and gaps, whatever that means.

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So all the blah blah blah, he really knew the area.

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We're all on the same page, right? We know hunting stuff.

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Of course.

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Yeah, of course. He finds the perfect location to find the best deer to murder and sets up a lock.

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Is it camp or something? Do you know what a lock is? I think it's a camp.

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The way he talks about it, I think it's a camp.

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Okay.

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I'll feed off the ground.

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Trim the branches to make it look nice and homey, and he was like, yeah, that's what it is.

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That's where he's gonna chew things.

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By the way, he makes note to mention he was hunting with a 12 gauge shotgun because rifle hunting is not allowed.

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Not sure if it matters, but no regrets. I'm putting it in here.

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James returns to his hunting home multiple times during the season.

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I guess that's what hunters do. They just like make a hut and then they keep going back to that hut.

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Sometimes, yeah.

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Sometimes, okay.

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Because I would think deers might notice if there is people trying to kill them from a certain place.

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That's just me if I was a deer.

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As forward to early November, it was late afternoon, about 4.15 p.m. Friday.

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You know something's gonna happen here. This is a very specific time and day date.

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Nothing happened.

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Yeah. He came and he went, and then it becomes the next day.

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He had a nice sleep. No, just kidding.

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James parks at the trailhead after work to start the 15 to 20 minute walk to his hunting stand.

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Lock.

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Lock.

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I made a note. None of this seems right, but I'm not a hunter.

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So I don't know.

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This is where it gets good. Not for James, but for us, the listeners.

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As he's making his way, he notices that he didn't hear any forest noises like you usually do when you're in the forest.

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No chirping, insects, a wind, probably no annoying mosquitoes.

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It was just literal silence.

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He was like, that's weird. And he just keeps walking because he needs to get him a deer.

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He gets to the lock and he sets up his gun and is surveying the surroundings as you do as a hunter looking for animals to hunt.

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And he starts feeling really uncomfortable. Like something was watching him.

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It's a quote directly from James.

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Oh, I don't really know how to explain it other than I had this deep feeling deep within me in my core, in my gut.

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Something wasn't right.

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I tried to ignore it for a while telling myself to stop being such a coward.

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There's nothing out here but you. Some deer, hopefully. Squirrels, skunk and other critters.

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This time passed, the feeling only intensified.

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I kept looking at my watch wondering how much time I had left until dusk and should I leave early, but talk myself out of course.

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Huge deer was probably only moments away.

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That's when he spots movement to the right side of the trees.

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James turns his head and was looking through the tree canopy to the top of the trees.

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Got you.

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That's when he sees it. Here's James again. Here's the quote.

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As I was staring into the trees, I saw what looked like a large bodybuilder but completely blurry moving through the trees.

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Could clearly see the outline of a figure, but the rest was blurry.

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Like I couldn't focus on it.

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It looked like a clear gelatinous blob in the shape of a human, a large human.

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And whenever it would stop, I completely lost sight of it.

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Blended into its background perfectly.

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I watched it for what seemed like an eternity, but it was actually more like 15 minutes.

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Moved through the trees effortlessly like a monkey or a squirrel.

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Never really looked at me while I was watching it.

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Maybe it was before and that's why I got the feeling someone was watching me.

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I don't know.

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It slowly moved off and I was scared about my walk back to my truck.

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After 30 minutes, he makes his way back to his truck as it was getting dark and he ran fast as his legs could take him.

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This has stayed with James since it happened and he can't explain it and it still gives him the heebie-jeebies to think about.

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That's my interpretation. That's my word. Heebie-jeebies. He didn't say that.

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One day, like 10 years later, he's watching the predator and he was like,

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Holy shit, that's it. That's what I saw.

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Again, an interpretation of words.

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As an aside, I have a few asides here.

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I'm not really sure how he knew the creature was looking at him as he moved through the trees because it's clear.

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He never mentioned eyes, maybe.

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I mean, it's actually a fair thing to say because you can, the feeling of being watched.

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You know when something's looking at you, there's actually science behind this that we could probably do at a later date.

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Basically, humans know when they're being watched in a very weird way and it is scientifically proven.

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Fair enough.

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Another thing that I found interesting about what he said was how it moved through the trees,

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which was like a monkey or a squirrel.

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So let's just make note of that.

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Okay.

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And with that, I'm going to get into another eyewitness.

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Hold on.

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I want to make another note as well.

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Please do.

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To please note that he also said it was like an invisible bodybuilder.

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Yes.

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And please note who was in the movie Predator.

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And who could have taken that technology home with them once shooting was done.

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Who because they did use that actual technology in that movie.

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It's a known fact.

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Yeah.

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It's a very known fact.

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Next one.

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And you know how I do eyewitness accounts.

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I bring to you the weirdest, most random ones.

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I'm not going to always give you ones that are going to give you the complete overview.

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I like to give you outliers and weird ones that gives me the creeps because I speak for everyone.

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With that, there's another one from eyewitness Gerald is a commercial fisherman and Gerald reports that he has been witnessed to a group of invisible beings multiple times on his property in Tulip, Washington, which is not far away from me.

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You have some nice outlet shopping centers there.

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He says that they can be seen faintly if the spotlight is shone on them or if the angle is just right.

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A quote directly from Gerald.

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They're in my backyard sometimes I watch them for hours.

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I think they know I am watching them and they mess with me later at night.

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They have a human shape.

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First, I thought they were people in camouflage.

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It is really predator looking military style.

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It's been three months now.

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One day I counted over 30 of them.

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That one was just short and sweet, but also not sure what the fuck is going on in Gerald's backyard.

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Yeah, I'm also curious.

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Does he mean like 30 at once or over the course of the day he's counted 30?

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I'm pretty sure.

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Which are two very different.

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The way I interpret it is 30 at once and that is like a party.

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It's a rager.

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It's more friends than I have.

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I mean, I'd be upset if somebody was having a rager in my backyard and they didn't invite me.

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I would be looking out the window both terrified and with a tear going down my cheek.

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That single tear was as if they had thrown some garbage on the ground.

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What episode is that for?

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It was recycling a topic idea.

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Cycling a topic idea.

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Yes, that's the exact same I'm picturing.

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But with that, but looking out the window with 30 invisible beings like having a party.

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And by popular demand already requested in this podcast, skinwalker ranch.

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Obviously, if you know the background of skinwalker ranch, it should come as no surprise that Glimmersen was cited there.

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If you don't know the background of skinwalker ranch too bad, I guess.

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Because we don't cover that.

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We don't cover it.

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It has between the two of us been something we both expressed is too much of an undertaking at this point.

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And we're not ready for it.

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We'd love to do an episode in the future, but it's just we need to be prepared and I'm not sure we ever will.

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We don't got the time.

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No, I don't know that we have the time.

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But if I can recommend skinwalker ranch by George Knapp, Colm Keller.

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Excellent read.

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Read it with the lights on outside, middle of day, start it in the morning, put it away by lunchtime.

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There's some disturbing things in there.

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Most brief rundown I can give you is basically any paranormal thing you could ever think of and then add 25 to 50% of that.

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You have skinwalker ranch.

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Set up on this one is basically a stranger shows up at the ranch saying he's heard about the happenings on the property asking if he could meditate in the past year.

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Once he's picked up by the owners can walk around to the sun and they're driving through the property.

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He decides that this is there's a specific spot surrounded by trees that this person would like to meditate in.

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And he was fully aware of the strange shit that was happening there.

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Why he'd want to meditate there.

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I mean, I just seems like trouble waiting to have it.

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It was high energy.

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Very high energy.

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That's that's what he wanted.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if I'd say the least I don't know that I'd want to meditate specifically what was happening there but tweets around.

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This is going to be a longer quote just for the heads up.

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This is straight from the book.

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Stranger walked into the middle of the open ground about 100 yards from the tree line.

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Tom walked with him a short distance and then stood watching.

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He glanced back at his still grinning son who had elected to stay by the truck.

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About 30 yards from the stranger who would close his eyes and in the religious gesture had spread both his arms out.

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Um, was amused.

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Islands rained and the late afternoon sun cast a beautiful light on the scene.

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Tall blonde man standing silently in the middle of the pasture with his eyes closed and his arms raised.

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It's like the post struck by saints and angels and religious paintings.

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The distance Tom heard the sudden chime of a cowbell was puzzled.

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None of his animals had cowbells.

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The sound seemed to be coming from deep within the trees.

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It was again.

448
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Here are this time.

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The stranger seemed not to have heard it.

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Adam made a gesture of puzzlement.

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Tom looked at the trees and thought he could see a faint blur.

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Something was moving very quickly between the trees.

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Tom could not make out the shape but he knew it was big.

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Is that the source of the cowbell sound?

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He watched carefully as the shape moved like a fast blur from tree to tree.

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It was almost as if it was circling.

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Suddenly felt uneasy. Without warning something broke from the tree line and moved swiftly towards the meditating man.

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Um, blink.

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Still couldn't see what it was even though it was broad daylight.

460
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,600
It was blurred as if it was hidden in the middle of heat distortion.

461
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,600
And it was covering ground at enormous speed.

462
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:25,600
Orman realized that the Chimera was making a beeline for the blissful meditator who was completely unaware of what was rapidly bearing down on him.

463
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Um was about to yell a warning but it was too late.

464
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Shimmering wrath like huge thing stopped just inches from the meditator as it let out a deep throated animal roar.

465
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,600
It echoed around the ranch.

466
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,600
The roar sounded half like a bear, half like a lion on froze.

467
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600
The stranger leap back about 10 feet and fell down.

468
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Began screaming.

469
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:52,600
As fast as it had approached, the shimmering almost invisible creature departed for the tree line at top speed.

470
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:59,600
Om's sharp eyes could make out only a blur of dancing flickering wavy lines like pixelated blocks.

471
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Then seconds the creature had vanished into the trees.

472
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Sometime later as Tom and Tab were watching the movie Predator, which Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jesse Ventura battle an alien form in a jungle in Central America.

473
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,600
That let out a loud yell when they first saw the shimmering creature.

474
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,600
That's what we saw!

475
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,600
They yell in unison to the astonished family.

476
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Predator and the movie seemed to exactly encapsulate the degree of camouflage of what they had seen.

477
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Tom calculated that the thing they saw was moving at between 50 and 60 miles per hour when it broke from the trees.

478
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,600
And skinwalker ranch story.

479
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,600
That's what you have to look forward to if you've never read skinwalker ranch.

480
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
And we will do it at some point.

481
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,600
We might have to take like a four week break in order to get everything.

482
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600
It's just such a great scary weird story.

483
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600
It depends on what we actually want to do.

484
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,600
Yeah, it really does.

485
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,600
I guess you can go a lot of ways with it, but you just want to do it justice because it's such a good story, right?

486
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,600
And it takes time.

487
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Yeah.

488
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600
Yeah, that's from skinwalker ranch.

489
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Again, love that book.

490
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,600
So good.

491
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,600
It'll give you the creeps.

492
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,600
That's that one.

493
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,600
Another one.

494
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600
I am transparent being in Bridgton, Maine.

495
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,600
This one's rather unusual.

496
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,600
Something that was moving around in the air.

497
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,600
It shows the same characteristics as the other translucent beings.

498
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,600
So just another facet of what is going on with this.

499
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,600
And this one comes from phantoms and monsters, which is Lawn Strickler's website.

500
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
It does a lot of these kinds of cryptid paranormal things.

501
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,600
And he also spends a lot of time monitoring the Chicago mothman as well.

502
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600
I used him in our moth person episode.

503
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,600
It does a lot of great work.

504
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Actually, I like Lawn Strickler and he keeps abreast of all of this.

505
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600
And he really logs all of these eye witness accounts.

506
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,600
I use him again in this episode.

507
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Phantoms and monsters highly recommended, actually.

508
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,600
All I could find was the eye witness account, no name or anything.

509
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,600
So let's call this person Emerson Doe.

510
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Nice and general neutral.

511
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Oh, here we go.

512
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,600
From Emerson Doe.

513
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600
The thing I saw was not a machine.

514
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
I have no idea what it was, but it was close to me and flying.

515
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,600
And a very cold winter night in 92 or 93.

516
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,600
I stepped out to the car at about 10 p.m. and looked up and bridged in Maine.

517
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,600
It was exceptionally clear and starry.

518
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Right away, I saw a movement above me.

519
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
The thing was moving, rapidly twisting and turning like a bird.

520
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Like birds in a fight or some scrap.

521
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,600
The thing was about 60 feet above me, looping back and forth within an area of less than 100 feet.

522
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,600
It was about five feet across and it was transparent.

523
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600
It looked like it was made of glass.

524
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Like a glass sculpture, the way the stars behind it were distorted.

525
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,600
I can't say for certain that it had wings, but it moved like a bird.

526
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Got the sense that it was angry, distressed, or just plain pissed off.

527
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,600
I would not have seen it except for the exceptionally starry night and the light from the stars behind this thing,

528
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,600
streaking, shifting, distorting.

529
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,600
I watched it for about three minutes before it went out of sight behind the trees.

530
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,600
I don't think I can properly convey how fast this thing was moving in its twists and turns.

531
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,600
The person had body language like this.

532
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600
I would say they were out of their mind angry.

533
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600
I've never heard of anything like this.

534
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,600
That's another one.

535
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,600
If I were reading these, I'd just kind of be like, yeah, that's a one off,

536
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,600
but I have to include it because this one's flying above somebody,

537
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600
not just like in the treetops above, which brings me.

538
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Yeah, it almost gives it the idea that it could be military technology, at least attempting tests.

539
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,600
That's the thing.

540
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600
And I kind of mentioned it.

541
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
It was just the thought at the time.

542
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,600
But that's more so flying over.

543
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,600
I think that's a very different thing than just randomly running into these things in the woods.

544
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Well, I mentioned it briefly.

545
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,600
It was just an idea where it said that it moved so fast in the treetops, like jumping or whatever.

546
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
And I said, how do we know it's not flying because we can't see all of it.

547
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,600
We don't know what exactly we're dealing with, what if it is flying.

548
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600
And then we have this encounter where it's flying.

549
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Coincidence, I think not, who really knows what exactly it is.

550
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600
It's just another asset to it, I guess.

551
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,600
So next encounter I have is from Mallory.

552
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:18,600
And Mallory had a terrifying experience when she was in university in Florida way back in 2002.

553
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,600
And she had a roommate and they had a dog, golden retriever, to be specific,

554
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600
which we do need to know that information.

555
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
I do not know its name, let's call him Cheeto.

556
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Okay, he did have a name, it's Toby.

557
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600
But Cheeto's better, like the name Cheeto.

558
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Oh, anyhow, Mallory liked to go on little hikes because it cost her nothing as she was a broke student.

559
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,600
So on this particular day in question, her and Cheeto, not calling him Toby, I like Cheeto,

560
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,600
her and Cheeto went on a hike at Gainesville Hawthorne State Trail.

561
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,600
And they were about four miles into the hike and something happens.

562
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,600
I guess I have to say that because I alluded to it.

563
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
It's around 11 a.m. and nobody's around.

564
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,600
And Cheeto and Mallory are enjoying themselves, taking in the scenery, looking for squirrels to chase.

565
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,600
When all of a sudden Cheeto stops dead in his tracks and he freezes.

566
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,600
See something.

567
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
But he just stands there staring into the trees,

568
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,600
he's perked up, tail straight out, Mallory could tell something caught his attention.

569
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,600
As Cheeto stares, his demeanor starts to change.

570
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600
His tail goes between his legs and he begins to whimper.

571
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,600
And he tries to leave, but now Mallory wants to know what's going on.

572
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600
So she starts towards the trees to see what Cheeto is on about.

573
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,600
She's pulling the leash, take him the other way and he's pulling against her.

574
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
I don't know. I just go with the dog. I'd be like, okay.

575
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Oh, then she, she spots something.

576
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
And now I'm going to read a direct quote from Mallory.

577
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,600
She says, it's very hard to describe, but this thing looked clear, but not quite.

578
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:56,600
It was in the shape of a human, meaning it had a head, torso, two arms and two legs, but what was see-through?

579
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,600
The thing that stood out the most was glowing yellow eyes.

580
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
That was the only thing that wasn't clear.

581
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,600
As crazy as it sounds, this thing looked like the alien in the Predator movies whenever it is cloaking itself.

582
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:16,600
It was standing on a large tree branch hanging on by its right arm and was looking directly at me and Cheeto.

583
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Says Toby here, but slowly began to crouch down and tried to hide behind the trunk of the tree.

584
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,600
Like it noticed us noticing him.

585
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,600
I don't know why I say him.

586
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Absolutely have no idea the sex of the strange creature.

587
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600
That's what you call it.

588
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,600
It tried to hide, like I said, but you could still see portions of it behind the tree.

589
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,600
It froze.

590
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,600
I was mesmerized by this thing and I was just staring at it trying to figure out what it was.

591
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,600
I didn't want to take my eyes off it and fear that I might lose sight of it.

592
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,600
This thing was so damn camouflaged.

593
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
If I looked away, I might not be able to find it again.

594
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600
So I just stared, ignoring Cheeto and his whimpers.

595
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Then it moved.

596
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,600
It swung through the trees effortlessly and made almost no sound.

597
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,600
It would move a few trees and then freeze.

598
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Look back at us.

599
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
I guess to determine if we were watching it or not.

600
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600
I got the feeling this thing did not want to be seen.

601
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,600
It would move then freeze, crouch down and pull itself between us and the tree it was in.

602
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,600
It would sit there a few minutes and then move again.

603
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600
I wanted to follow it, but everything in my body said no.

604
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,600
I just watched it.

605
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600
It eventually disappeared into the forest.

606
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Me how?

607
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,600
It do eggs at the forest.

608
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,600
Cheeto was fine and all in all she had no idea what it was.

609
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:39,600
What I found interesting in this sighting is that it had monkey qualities like swinging from the branches.

610
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Maybe that's just how she interpreted it, but we saw that in another of the...

611
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Now I can't remember.

612
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,600
There's another one that kind of had a little monkey-like quality to it.

613
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Yeah, it was the hunter right off the bat.

614
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Yes, it did swing from a tree because I made note of it.

615
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Yeah.

616
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Everybody seems to be aware of these, but very apprehensive.

617
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Has anybody been injured by these?

618
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Not in my stories.

619
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,600
I didn't have anything come up that said that anybody was injured by any of them.

620
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,600
However, they do appear to...

621
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,600
I don't want to say aggressive.

622
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,600
They do appear to not friendly.

623
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,600
They wish to appear menacing.

624
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Yes.

625
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Yeah.

626
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:28,600
I haven't seen anyone where anyone's hurt by it, but people do feel uncomfortable.

627
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:34,600
They do appear as if they don't want humans witnessing it to be witnessing it.

628
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,600
Yeah.

629
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Now, everybody has kind of felt this weird feeling of being seen or having eyes on them

630
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,600
so far.

631
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Makes them uncomfortable.

632
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Yeah, but with other entities, there's a feeling of existential dread.

633
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Yes.

634
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Does anybody describe a feeling of dread when they are in this vicinity of these?

635
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,600
I would liken what they say, what they're describing it to that.

636
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Mostly what I've been hearing is it feels like somebody's watching me and then I look around

637
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,600
and I see this knot.

638
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,600
I feel like I need to leave this area immediately and then I see it.

639
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,600
No, I would say that it is.

640
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,600
I wouldn't necessarily say existential dread, but most people, aside from this last one,

641
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,600
where she's...

642
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Her dog's pulling her leash to leave and she's like, oh, I want to observe this.

643
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,600
That one is kind of...

644
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,600
An outlier, yeah.

645
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,600
An outlier.

646
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,600
Most people report feeling uncomfortable.

647
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,600
They shouldn't be there.

648
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,600
I think there's one that I didn't include in this because I had a better one, but they

649
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,600
came across a clearing where they just felt like they shouldn't be.

650
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,600
So they left and still encountered a creature.

651
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Maybe I did include it.

652
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,600
So just act surprised when I talk about it.

653
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
But most people do.

654
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,600
The forest goes quiet, you get an uncomfortable feeling, and then all of a sudden they have

655
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,600
a sighting of this thing is generally what happens in this.

656
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Oh yes, I would say they do get the feeling of this, even though they don't directly say

657
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,600
that I feel like existential dread.

658
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Next one you may be familiar with.

659
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:17,600
This is probably one of the more infamous sightings of the predator-like being, Limmerson, which

660
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,600
is a sighting by Jan McAbee, who is Bruce McAbee's wife.

661
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Bruce McAbee is an American optical physicist, formerly employed by the US Navy and is a

662
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,600
ufologist.

663
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:36,600
So the sighting is actually in the Missing 411 Hunters documentary and book.

664
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,600
However, I'm taking this sighting directly from Bruce McAbee's website that he set up

665
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600
just for this, which I will post in the show notes.

666
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,600
It's actually a very thorough website that he set up for this.

667
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,600
And it is titled Predator.

668
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,600
Yeah, if he's into physics, he would think he would really want to figure out what the

669
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,600
hell is going on here.

670
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Yeah, so this one, the website, I love the website, it's really good.

671
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,600
The website is titled Predator in the Forest or Jan's Weird Experience.

672
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,600
And he actually does a great job with this, so I'm just going to read exactly what he

673
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,600
put together, no paraphrasing or anything on this one, except for where I see fit.

674
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,600
Oh, he starts with the preliminary report.

675
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,600
It was Wednesday, September 29th, next to last day in September and hunting season.

676
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Or deer in Ohio.

677
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,600
It's just four days old.

678
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Days started cool and damp, then became a beautiful warm day with a nice sunset.

679
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Dan was anxious to begin hunting.

680
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Her method of hunting consisted of waiting and watching while seated in a tree stand.

681
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Seat of her stand is at the top of a 15 foot ladder.

682
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Seat is in the northwest corner of a many acre wood, this surrounded by large planted

683
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,600
fields of low density residential areas.

684
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,600
A seat faces the east and is surrounded on all sides by trees.

685
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,600
She didn't hunt in the morning, but she did climb up the 15 foot to the seat to test

686
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,600
the newly installed bow hanger.

687
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,600
She took a picture of her bow hanging from the bow hanger.

688
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,600
She took the picture and other pictures below, which are included in this.

689
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
I'll post them on the socials, I'm pretty sure I can do that.

690
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,600
Her blackberry pearl.

691
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Model 813-0 camera phone.

692
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,600
Foam records the date and time of each picture, the spatial resolution, number of pixels horizontal

693
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,600
and vertical, and the total bite size of each picture file.

694
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Whatever that means.

695
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Jan had a strained experience in the trees in the late afternoon and evening.

696
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,600
She went to her tree stand about 5.30 and sat.

697
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Squirrel was dropping nut pieces on her head and animals, birds and crickets were moving

698
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,600
and making noises.

699
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,600
What was that squirrel doing?

700
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,600
Just being a dick.

701
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Yeah, he's specifically being a dick.

702
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,600
He could have dropped nuts anywhere else in the woods.

703
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Occupy her time, she was texting with her phone, brackets and means of silent communication.

704
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,600
At about 6.21pm, she decided to photograph herself in the tree stand.

705
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,600
She was facing east with the sun at her back.

706
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,600
He held the camera above and to her left, he was facing east, the sun at her back.

707
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,600
He held the camera above and to her left.

708
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Just sit there.

709
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Sun was behind her, low to the west, and the light filtering through the tree's branches.

710
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,600
She took her first photo with the camera, a bit above her head and her left so she could get a photo

711
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,600
looking down past her to the ground.

712
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,600
She then decided to take a second, she took the second photo and didn't like it so she deleted it

713
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600
as we may all do.

714
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Suddenly the woods went quiet.

715
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,600
The way stopped, the silence was weird.

716
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:43,600
So surprised and unnerved her that she wrote a text message to her friend, thereby documenting this event.

717
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,600
It was a text message.

718
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Something is wrong.

719
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,600
The woods just went to a dead silence.

720
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
No squirrels, no birds, no crickets.

721
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,600
It's odd.

722
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
6.23pm EDT.

723
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Squirrels suddenly stopped dropping nuts on her head, I guess.

724
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,600
How dare they?

725
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
I know, where was this squirrel getting nuts from in the middle of the forest?

726
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:06,600
He thought a coyote or maybe a black panther or some predator animal caused the quiet as she knows,

727
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:13,600
as hunters know, that when a predator such as a bear for example enters an area the other animals tend to become quiet.

728
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Then she became aware that a weird visual effect was moving right across her field of view at an apparent distance of maybe 15-20 feet.

729
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,600
She described it as if looking through saran wrap.

730
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,600
Perhaps a more apt comparison would be like looking at a mirage above a hot road.

731
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:38,600
She compared this distortion of the scene as being somewhat like the effect of the invisible creature in the Predator movie.

732
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Distortion was at a higher altitude than her, 15 feet above the ground, perhaps about 25 feet above the ground.

733
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,600
She took her glasses off and rubbed her eye, thinking she had a floater.

734
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
After rubbing it, still, there was not a floater.

735
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:59,600
It moved to her right about 15 degrees to the right of straight ahead to about 45 degrees to the right.

736
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,600
See the diagram below, not to scale, sorry I don't have the diagram for you.

737
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,600
It disappeared, things looked normal and she could hear the normal sounds again.

738
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,600
As she recalls it, she held the camera in her right hand about a foot and a half from her face

739
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,600
so that the scene in the viewing screen would be in focus for her eyes.

740
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600
But did the camera in the direction of the distortion and took a picture?

741
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,600
She recalls it, the picture was taken immediately after the distortion of disappeared.

742
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,600
Pictures should show the nearby trees, that's not what the picture shows.

743
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:36,600
After sitting for an hour and a half more, she left the tree stand at about 7.45 and came to dinner with our guests of the evening.

744
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
I didn't think to mention her strange experience.

745
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,600
I couldn't even imagine going to dinner and not mentioning this to everybody that I know ever.

746
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,600
I'd be telling everybody.

747
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Especially when she seems so self-obsessed.

748
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,600
Yeah, there's no way I wouldn't mention that.

749
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,600
I'd be like, everybody stop what you're talking about and listen to what I have to say.

750
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,600
After dinner cleanup and a movie, the guests were about to leave when I checked my Facebook messages

751
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
and saw one from Jan's nephew, a high school student.

752
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,600
There was a sighting by a number of students and faculty at the high school during the band practice just before dark.

753
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,600
High school is about a mile north, northwest of the tree stand.

754
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:23,600
He wrote, you're playing tonight on the field and just as it was starting to get dark, a huge bright light appeared over the field and begins to move sideways.

755
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,600
And in a matter of 5 seconds or so it disappeared.

756
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,600
In a smaller almost every second, about 5 minutes later it reappeared.

757
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,600
This time it was amber in color.

758
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:41,600
I know of 4 people who saw this and according to an upperclassman, the same thing happened last year and they actually stopped rehearsal.

759
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:49,600
He asked him what time this was and he responded 7.50 to 8 o'clock PM, which was about an hour and a half after Jan's phenomenon.

760
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,600
So that's all I included from this encounter.

761
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,600
They do go on.

762
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600
If you want to take a look at the website, I told you what it was.

763
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
If I scroll up, I can tell you again.

764
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600
No, it's going to be posted in the show notes.

765
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Go check those out.

766
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,600
They go on.

767
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,600
They really look into the picture and basically it's impossible to have taken this picture the way that it was taken from the picture.

768
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,600
I will probably post that to the social medias.

769
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,600
It does coincide with the strain to a faux sighting.

770
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,600
Yeah, that's that encounter.

771
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Is there anything you want to include on it?

772
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,600
No, just kind of general things that we'll get to at the end.

773
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:30,600
This last encounter, I was going to give you a choice of encounters, but then one clearly came up superior.

774
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,600
This is going to be the last one before we can give our final thoughts.

775
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:41,600
And then when we give our final thoughts, we will know exactly what this phenomenon is.

776
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,600
And we can encyclopedia that because that's going to be the final word on things.

777
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,600
This one comes from a favorite website, Antems and Monsters.

778
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,600
It is a good website.

779
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,600
It has lots of good stuff on there, actually.

780
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:03,600
So this witness and his friend were exploring the abandoned Brookfield USAF station in Ohio when they encountered a monster.

781
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,600
It's an unknown eating, an aggressive glimmer meant entity.

782
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,600
There we go.

783
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Exactly what you're looking for.

784
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:22,600
Witness Joseph, who was set sometime in November 2002, and a friend decided to head to the abandoned Brookfield Air Force Station located near Brookfield, Ohio.

785
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,600
Can't say that's what I would do in my spare time.

786
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,600
No, I probably would.

787
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,600
I might go during an afternoon, though, if I was free on a Saturday, Sunday.

788
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,600
It had been abandoned since around 1986, wow.

789
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:45,600
After previously being a nursing home, there were about 30 empty buildings on 10 acres of land surrounded by overgrown vegetation and barbed wire fence.

790
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Lease regularly patrolled the area to keep out vandals, though many of the locals like Joseph spent much of their youth roaming around the old base.

791
00:46:53,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Joseph believes he had been there more than 100 times. As an adult, Joseph still liked to go up to the area occasionally and shoot guns, hike, etc.

792
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,600
The base was about a tenth of a mile from his home through the woods.

793
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,600
There was a hole cut in the fence which allowed easy access to the property.

794
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Oh my God, it was adjoining.

795
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,600
That's creepy.

796
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:19,600
On that chilly November 2002 day, Joseph and his friend, Tori, decided to head to the base to do some shooting.

797
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Only Joseph was armed, though, fortunately.

798
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:29,600
There was light snow on the ground as they made their way through the woods, following a deer pat to the wire fence.

799
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Joseph noted that it was unusually quiet that day walking in the woods.

800
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,600
No sounds of animals, no wind, no nothing.

801
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,600
At the time, he didn't think much of it, but looking back, he believes that it was strange enough that he remembered it.

802
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:49,600
After finding and crawling through the hole, they eventually made their way onto the base walking through knee deep grass.

803
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,600
I have to do an aside.

804
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Have you ever gone anywhere where it's like unnaturally quiet?

805
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Not that I can recall.

806
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:04,600
But do you continue on if it was unnaturally quiet and you didn't hear sounds that you normally be hearing?

807
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:11,600
I mean, from my understanding of nature, I would not, mostly because I would understand that to me that there's a predator in the earth.

808
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,600
And it would really depend on what I'm doing.

809
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,600
Whether it's glimmerson or a cougar or a puma or a bear,

810
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600
you generally don't want to keep going.

811
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,600
You want to do something.

812
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,600
You want to take action, start shooting guns into the voids.

813
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,600
Just go in blast.

814
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Exactly.

815
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,600
That's what we're about here.

816
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Yeah, you want to see if it's peaceful.

817
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Exactly.

818
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,600
And that's how you find out.

819
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,600
As they walked towards the buildings, they began to hear beeping sounds, which they found to be odd,

820
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,600
giving that the buildings hadn't had power since the late 1980s.

821
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Quickly.

822
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,600
While we're at it, beeping is similar to clicking.

823
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,600
Is it not?

824
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,600
Not necessarily, but maybe.

825
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,600
But they could be.

826
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,600
Could be.

827
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,600
We're not hearing.

828
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,600
Someone very well could say beeping where it is a clicking.

829
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

830
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
We're not hearing what they're hearing, so it could very well be the same thing.

831
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Clicking is in the ear of the listener.

832
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,600
But yeah, it very well could be the same thing that they're hearing.

833
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,600
You could classify.

834
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,600
What is it, sonar?

835
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Yeah, yeah, that'd be a click or a beep.

836
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Yeah, you could classify it as it just depends on what language you're wanting to use for what you're hearing.

837
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,600
Yeah, I would say perhaps.

838
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,600
I would say perhaps.

839
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,600
As they get within five feet of the building, the beeps increase and become louder.

840
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,600
They eventually make their way through an open garage bay door.

841
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,600
And this is when the beeping went crazy.

842
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,600
Think of metal detector zeroing in on metal.

843
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,600
Okay, so they're actually putting like something physical.

844
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,600
We know what it sounds like.

845
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,600
Or it became frightened.

846
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Joseph noticed that there were two doors leading into rooms, one of which was closed.

847
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,600
Found this odd because every other time he'd come up, the doors were open.

848
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,600
Beeping was coming from the room with the door closed.

849
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,600
So despite Tori's misgivings, Joseph kicked open the door and entered.

850
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,600
The beeps slowly faded out, replaced by a loud droning sound.

851
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Oh my God.

852
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,600
He noticed a device sitting on the floor about three feet away.

853
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Initially, he thought it was a pipe bomb.

854
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Thought he was going to die.

855
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:20,600
It looked like an air compressor with wires on its left side going into a rectangular black box with a cylinder attached to it.

856
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,600
I have no idea what it was, Joseph recalled.

857
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Wondered if the police or maybe the Marines who occasionally trained on the base had put it there.

858
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,600
Tori was frightened and insisted that they leave.

859
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Joseph also shared that feeling.

860
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,600
He decided to head back to the fence and get out of there.

861
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,600
As they made their way through the tall grass, things got very quiet.

862
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,600
They both stopped sensing that they were being watched.

863
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,600
All of a sudden they could hear footsteps coming through the overgrown bush.

864
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,600
Oh, excuse me the creeps.

865
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,600
That is when they noticed across the field that snow was bouncing up.

866
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Grass bushes were parting.

867
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Yeah, I read that right.

868
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,600
I read that right.

869
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,600
As if something was going through the grass, something they couldn't see.

870
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,600
Okay, no, it for sure says snow there.

871
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,600
It was the weirdest thing Joseph said.

872
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Joseph could see the outline of what appeared to be human that was transparent.

873
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,600
He could see through it.

874
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,600
He could see through the bush on the other side of it, but it was distorted like an optical illusion.

875
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Both men became frightened and headed for the fence.

876
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,600
Joseph and Tori both kept an eye on it as it moved.

877
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,600
He noted that there was clear indentations in the snow.

878
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Okay, there was snow.

879
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,600
And the brush and snow were moving as if someone was trudging through the grass.

880
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,600
They couldn't see anything beyond an outline.

881
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:38,600
Even stranger, Joseph claimed that it seemed to completely vanish occasionally and then come back.

882
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Trailed them, but never got more than 30 feet away from them except from when they neared the fence.

883
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,600
At some point, Joseph stopped and raised his rifle at the thing.

884
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,600
It seemed to anger the entity.

885
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:56,600
There was some brush that stood about 15 feet high and separated like somebody drove a truck through it.

886
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,600
It was coming hard.

887
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Snow was flying.

888
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Brush was flying.

889
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Joseph aimed at it for the first time ever as a hunter.

890
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
He felt a real sense of dread.

891
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,600
He should not shoot at it.

892
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Oh, there you go.

893
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,600
He said it.

894
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,600
He said it.

895
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,600
This friend Tori also urged him not to shoot because it would only make things worse.

896
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,600
I would have been like, shoot it.

897
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,600
I wouldn't have said don't shoot it.

898
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,600
I would have been like, yeah, do it.

899
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,600
You know how to shoot it, not me.

900
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Eventually found the hole and by this time it was full sprinting at them.

901
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Oh God.

902
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Two men rushed through and into the woods, keeping their eyes on the semi invisible entity.

903
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,600
Joseph noticed that it had stopped at the fence.

904
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,600
It was almost as if it wasn't allowed to leave.

905
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,600
Then it was gone like it evaporated.

906
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Three weeks later, Joseph returned with another friend and they spent hours searching through every abandoned building and never found the beeping device.

907
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,600
Nor did they ever encounter the entity again.

908
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Okay, so this was a device, not something coming directly from the creature.

909
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Just to make it.

910
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,600
Well, there are many parts of it, some of which came from my divorce.

911
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,600
Nor did they ever encounter the entity again.

912
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:05,600
Looking back, Joseph senses that the thing he encountered was something evil and that it meant to do them harm.

913
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,600
Like in his sighting, the alien in the predator films, but noted that while similar, it wasn't the same.

914
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,600
So somebody comments on this claim from the two friends and they comment,

915
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Excellent to hear because I'm very familiar with the radar base in Brickfield, Ohio.

916
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,600
The grandmother lived in the woods right behind it, Stewart Road.

917
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,600
As kids, we would journey there from time to time through the woods on a special secret hike.

918
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:37,600
We'd get in through a hole in the fence in the woods in a word, eerie and familiar with the beep in the garage.

919
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,600
My cousin, John and I heard the beep, but we never knew where it would come from.

920
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,600
The beeps did not speed up, just loud beeps spaced a few seconds apart coming from somewhere.

921
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,600
There was definitely something going on there.

922
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:55,600
After it had closed as a nursing home, there was still mail being delivered and collected regularly.

923
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,600
Air hydrants were still being kept up to date, telephones were still on and ringing.

924
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,600
To Oxford captain selected areas inside locked, abandoned buildings.

925
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,600
This was many years after it closed and not a soul was around.

926
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,600
However, you always felt as if you're being watched.

927
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:17,600
Times the police would show up and being as we were kids, we would take off how they would know we were there.

928
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Beyond me.

929
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:25,600
There was definitely something governmental UFO always surrounding this place, all before the famous UFO incident.

930
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Oh, see 1995 the Trumbull County Ohio UFO incident.

931
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,600
Interesting.

932
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,600
At times ghost life things occurred and that is too long to type here.

933
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,600
Would hear sudden, loud unexplained things, bang noises right within our vicinity,

934
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:46,600
that we could not determine if it was a person on the next floor who should not be there or the grounds were haunted.

935
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,600
We would also hear things in the buildings.

936
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600
UFO incident simply sealed the deal for us.

937
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Awesome to hear this because the few folks who lived right around the area always suspected something just had to be up with the radar base.

938
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,600
And that is that.

939
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Those are my sightings.

940
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,600
This is Glimmerson, Shynon Glimmerson.

941
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,600
What do we have to say?

942
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,600
Couple things.

943
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,600
Let's hear it.

944
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:15,600
I think the first and foremost thing to talk about is the fact that George Knapp's grand theory of weird kind of gets encapsulated right there at the end.

945
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Where this area that the glimmerson is seen is also known as a UFO for very famous UFO sighting and also hauntings.

946
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,600
That is not the first place where UFO sightings also mentioned with this thing.

947
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,600
It's also mentioned in Jan Maccabees sighting.

948
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,600
Yeah.

949
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Bring up a very good point.

950
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,600
Second off, well, this is going to be kind of a two part thing I want to say.

951
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:51,600
The first and foremost thing is when we go hunting in the woods for particular creatures, we go disguising this particular senses that we know those species are prone to using.

952
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:59,600
So that although we don't necessarily show up the way they want or like things to show up, we show up in a very obscure manner.

953
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:08,600
When it comes to deer, we put on the orange vests, we put smells on ourselves and we make particular sounds to make it.

954
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Although not necessarily show up like a deer.

955
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Hunting in with the surroundings.

956
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:22,600
Blend in with the surroundings in a strange way so that we mask ourselves as humans because we are hiding the senses that they most rely on.

957
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Down their good point.

958
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:36,600
And the fact that most other creatures easily see this thing or at least get the hell out of the area or quiet down makes it really seem like they're actually masking the senses, particularly for humans.

959
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Oh, that just gave me goosebumps.

960
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,600
Third, just just add a little bit to that.

961
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:52,600
The fact that all other creatures also seem to be worried about what's going on and they mask themselves as if a predator is present in the area makes it appear as though these creatures are not.

962
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:59,600
These creatures also know it's a threat to themselves and it is a predator to them as well.

963
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:06,600
One thing that caught me about it is what if it's just a play on a specific target?

964
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,600
It's not necessarily that the forest quiet down.

965
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,600
It's just that it.

966
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Oh, and it's that kind of shift to an alternate reality with this individual.

967
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Which is another.

968
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:17,600
You bring up a very important point.

969
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Which is a 411 situation, which I don't think I don't want to get into at this point.

970
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,600
No, but it's I think we bring up two very good because we don't know what it is.

971
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,600
No, but those are those are diametrically opposing in inferences from what's happening.

972
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Yeah, which are important to both say both of them.

973
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Yeah, if not third that maybe we don't know is out there, which we can say right now.

974
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,600
Yeah, I have the creeps right now.

975
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Yeah, that's also a good point. It might be not so that the animals are quieting.

976
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,600
It's the fact that you are actually being removed from that reality.

977
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,600
Yeah, there was one and I can't remember.

978
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,600
I went through so many things and read it.

979
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:04,600
It was something that made me think that it could have potentially been just affecting the particular person that was experiencing it.

980
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,600
Yeah, beauties in the eye of the beholder.

981
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,600
So I mean, who knows what is happening when it's something that's like this.

982
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
We have no idea what it is.

983
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,600
Yeah, very fair.

984
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:20,600
The last one I want to just focus a little bit on it's probably not the most important, but something that should at least be noticed.

985
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,600
These have all been in American interactions.

986
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:35,600
And one thing I find extremely odd with the paranormal interactions is how culturally different they are and that something like this would only happen in the US,

987
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:41,600
but something also just as uniquely bizarre will happen in a different region of the world.

988
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:49,600
And I forget, I can't remember what I was reading, but it's almost as if they are restricted in their regions, these particular entities.

989
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,600
I don't know that they are.

990
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Or that we just interpret them differently based on our cultural background.

991
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,600
We very well could.

992
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:04,600
I don't know that it is specific to us because I know the missing 411 is not specific to North America.

993
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:15,600
And this is something that, well, like I said in the beginning, it goes so far back in sightings, but you have to really sift through things to find the sightings.

994
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:26,600
There's so many of them, but it's well, and especially back in the day, they would particularly describe a an invisible entity stalking them as different from a predator being is watching me.

995
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Yes.

996
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,600
So it's hard to say.

997
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,600
And maybe one day we should look at all these things from a different point of view.

998
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,600
It's hard to say what we would be able to come up with if we're not able to search in another language.

999
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Well, that's that whole thing that unfortunately we are restricted to our narrow path on the Internet and the weirdness.

1000
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,600
And that is things that have been interpreted into English.

1001
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Yeah, I don't know that this would be specific just because I didn't research.

1002
00:59:51,600 --> 01:00:00,600
I don't know that this would be specific to North America because as we know with other countries, there's things just as weird if not weirder happening in other countries.

1003
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,600
They are.

1004
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:08,600
But at the same time, the UK and Australia and New Zealand all speak English as their primary language and this did not come out.

1005
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,600
I don't know if that doesn't have anything to do with the particular sources you use.

1006
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:14,600
I agree.

1007
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,600
So it's always the question.

1008
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,600
Not only the particular sources, but also where we're Googling from because of course.

1009
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Yeah.

1010
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:20,600
No, and that's that whole thing.

1011
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Is this just something that we notice or something that goes into our research?

1012
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Yeah.

1013
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,600
I would say I, unfortunately, I feel like we probably are biased as much as we don't want to be biased.

1014
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Our Google functions and locations.

1015
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,600
Literally everything about our research is biased just based on our particular background and what we're likely to look for.

1016
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,600
And I just Google editor entity.

1017
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,600
I don't Google United Kingdom slash predator entity, which you know what?

1018
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:53,600
Maybe we should be more cognizant in the future of doing things like that.

1019
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,600
Maybe we'll get more hit.

1020
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,600
Yeah.

1021
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,600
And I think last, but almost just as importantly, that should be discussed.

1022
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,600
We have specific times and places for most, if not all of these interactions.

1023
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,600
Has anybody lined these up with Schwartz and Eggers itineraries?

1024
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,600
I'm not sure because I'm not sure.

1025
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,600
Is he accounted for?

1026
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,600
Where he is right now.

1027
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,600
No.

1028
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,600
Oh no.

1029
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:17,600
Because he's a public figure.

1030
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,600
You can very clearly find out where he is at particular times.

1031
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,600
Yeah.

1032
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:23,600
Predators a public figure though too.

1033
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:24,600
Isn't he?

1034
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,600
Where has he been?

1035
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:26,600
Well, to be fair, he's not.

1036
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,600
He was a stage character.

1037
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:34,600
Whereas Arnold Schwarzenegger is the real deal and he's a muscular entity that could very well have shown up in that one particular.

1038
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,600
Another loophole in my research.

1039
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,600
I don't know where he's been.

1040
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,600
I don't know where he's been at, but he's been doing something to look into.

1041
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,600
Anyone listening right now wants to do that.

1042
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:52,600
If anybody here has access to Arnold Schwarzenegger and or his itinerary and we'll be able to answer those questions for us.

1043
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,600
My God, do we need to bring you on as a guest?

1044
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,600
Because you clearly live a more interesting life than we do.

1045
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,600
Or if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger, please.

1046
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:06,600
If you happen to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, we would also likely be in a position to interview you.

1047
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can.

1048
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:09,600
Yeah.

1049
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,600
And specifically when it comes to you potentially being a glimmerson.

1050
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,600
Yeah.

1051
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,600
And I think most importantly, if you are a glimmerson, I think we're in a position to also interview you.

1052
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,600
One thing I just want to mention, I just want to put it out there.

1053
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,600
Not that are what was it called the weird big foot one.

1054
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:28,600
Big foot gets weird.

1055
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,600
It's weird to sit it in the wrong order.

1056
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,600
What's not saying that these aren't big foot.

1057
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Yeah, no, and I almost feels a lot like that because forest gets eerily quiet.

1058
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:46,600
Something that shouldn't be there is there and really outside of it not being a big foot shape matches everything entirely with a weird big foot sighting.

1059
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:54,600
That being said, if you just saw cloak big foot, would you not say that it is humanoid in shape?

1060
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:59,600
Yeah, and particularly actually the sounds that are made also emulate the weird big foot sightings.

1061
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,600
Yes.

1062
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,600
And not only that, but big foot has been cited with like little boxes.

1063
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,600
Go back and listen to there is a whole remember that book that I told you that I did a lot of my research on.

1064
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:12,600
I can't remember.

1065
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,600
You bought it for me for Christmas.

1066
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,600
Yeah.

1067
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,600
That book has a chapter on cloaked big foot.

1068
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:18,600
Yeah.

1069
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,600
Oh, I don't want to make this a big foot episode.

1070
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,600
I just thought I'd make it like I don't have any notes on this.

1071
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,600
I just thought I'd make it like just added in there.

1072
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:31,600
And again, if you have not read that book, my God, put that on your to read list.

1073
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
We can't remember the title.

1074
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,600
Go back and let's go back to big foot gets weird.

1075
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,600
Listen to some of the things that we talk about in this episode and just so that we're all on the same page as big foot gets weird part two.

1076
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,600
Because I did part one and it's a very different big foot gets weird.

1077
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:48,600
It was all about the same.

1078
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:49,600
Yes.

1079
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,600
But part one's more so about things that probably weren't big foot.

1080
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,600
Yeah.

1081
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,600
But big foot gets weird part two.

1082
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,600
There's some good big foot stuff in there.

1083
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,600
Yeah.

1084
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,600
And that was some good big foot stuff.

1085
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,600
But yeah.

1086
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,600
Can't you see anything else to add?

1087
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,600
No.

1088
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,600
I've been waiting to do this episode for a while now.

1089
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,600
I'm glad I finally got to do it.

1090
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,600
And I hope that I have the creeps right now.

1091
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,600
Just talking about it.

1092
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,600
These kind of things just are creepy.

1093
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:14,600
No.

1094
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,600
I think I've added everything.

1095
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,600
Okay.

1096
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:24,600
And at the end of the day, are we not in the same medium as the Glimmercyns would inhabit in merely sound and not picture?

1097
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,600
In a very weird way for you as a listener.

1098
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,600
And in a very weird way, we have also been Taylor here with Chelsea, known as Journey to the Fringe.

1099
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,600
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

1100
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,600
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