Chelsea, can I bog you down in a little bit of existential environmental dread?
I hate it, but yeah.
Okay. Well, this is a guardian story.
You're going to hear it later on.
So I might as well get that out of the way.
Scientists sound alarm as US regulators, new forever chemicals definition,
leaves a little bit to be desired.
So we're just going to read this story as we go along.
If you have any questions, feel free to reach out.
The EPA Environmental Agency Department responsible for protecting the public
from toxic substances is working on a new definition of PFAS,
which is a forever chemical.
Have you heard that term before, Chelsea?
I have never heard that.
No, not even nuclear waste, I believe, is forever.
Well, no, and nothing is forever.
It's kind of a misnomer in that it's a forever for us chemical
in that it will be there for thousands of years.
So for all intents and purposes, it's there for all of our lives.
OK, that makes sense.
And then all of our children's lives and all of their children's lives.
So why not just call it a forever chemical?
OK, I get it.
And never heard that term before.
But oh, then you are going to be just so saddened by my water episode
that's coming up very soon. OK. Anyhow, PFAS are polyfluoroalkyls.
Substances, that's that's what PFAS stands for. Of course.
They're kind of plastic and the EPA has come up with a new definition
for what a PFAS is.
It's established by the Office of Pollution Prevention and Toxics
is not only at odds with much of the scientific world,
but is narrower than is used by other EPA department.
Among other uses, the narrower definition excludes chemicals
in the pharmaceuticals and pesticides that are generally defined as PFAS.
The EPA also cited the narrower definition in December
when it declined to take action on some PFAS contaminations found in North Carolina.
PFAS or her or polyfluoroalkyl substances are a class of about 12,000 compounds
most frequently used to make products, water, stain and grease resistant.
The biggest contributor to this actually prior to the last like 10 years or so was
Heflon because it was basically resistant to everything very, very stick free.
And yet terrible. Anyhow,
they are in thousands of products across dozens of industries now
and have been linked to cancer, birth defects, decreased immunity,
high cholesterol, kidney disease and a range of other serious health problems.
They're double. What else is in it?
They're just plastics. That's what they are.
So for all intents and purposes, they're just plastic.
Oh, my gosh. I know that Teflon's bad for you if it like starts
chipping or anything, if it gets into your face.
More so actually if you there's a Teflon factory in your neighborhood.
Oh, yeah.
And like plastics, I know if you leave a plastic water bottle in your car
and the water gets hot, then that's not only it.
Lululemon clothes have PFOS in them.
What? Yeah, it makes things like sweat resistant.
It wicks away the. Oh, my gosh.
I would have never thought it's in clothing, which.
Yeah. And John Alver actually did a great episode on PFOS,
but that's not what we're focusing on today.
It's more so a response by the EPA.
OK, OK, OK.
So many things you wouldn't expect to have plastic in them,
have PFOS in them, because it's meant to be
stain resistant, water resistant, things like that.
I wasn't expecting clothes, but it's a good thing I can't afford Lululemon.
Yeah. Oh, good.
OK, the discussion within the EPA comes as the agency
faces increased pressure to largely restrict the entire chemical class
and critics say the change benefits chemical manufacturers,
the Department of Defense and industry.
There's a real difference in the definition
that industry uses and what the international scientific community uses.
And unfortunately, the definition I see the EPA
toxic office using is a lot more like industry said Linda.
The didn't immediately respond to the questions, but an agency document
obtained by the Guardian states the new definition focuses on PFOS,
believed to be of the highest concern based on their persistence
and potential for presence in the environment and human exposure.
Researchers say the international scientific community
has been engaged in a debate over how to define PFOS
that's focused on chemical structure.
PFOS are called forever chemicals because their fluorinated atoms
prevent them from fully breaking down.
The most widely used inclusive definition and proposed by the organization
for economic cooperation and development, the OECD, defines any chemical
within the fluorinated carbon atoms as a PFOS.
That could include tens of thousands of chemicals on the market.
The EPA toxic office, however, wrote a working definition
that calls for at least two adjacent carbon atoms
where one carbon is fully fluorinated and the other is at least partially fluorinated.
It covers about 6500 PFOS and the EPA is using that definition
in its recently introduced national testing strategy,
which serves as a roadmap in an attempt to rein in PFOS pollution.
Needless to say, and I think I can end that there, it's a very long article.
If you want to read more, please go look at it.
Dodd the title earlier on.
It's in Guardian.
Less restriction on industry, which is going to just kind of fuck with all of our waterways.
It just, I don't know why I'm surprised at this point.
I just, I don't understand how for the sake of money
and industries making money on this, we don't give a shit about it
and the repercussions that it has.
I have people in my life, I'm not going to say who who fully falls into a group of
it's listen to what makes sense for your life,
not which will be correct, just ignoring what you don't deem to be important.
And unfortunately, there's a lot of people out there.
I can see that because it's the easy answer.
It's the most convenient.
You want to look a certain way.
You want to live the easiest lifestyle, a lifestyle you want to live.
It's easy to turn a blind eye.
But I really feel like there should be more responsibility
onto these corporations that are doing this, but there's not because people are willing
to pay money for this.
So they're profiting off of it.
And that's actually a very weird part of like, we live in a free market.
At least that's for the most part, we live in a free market economy.
It is capitalist, but I'm going to avoid that part for the most part right now.
When do you buy a product in a free market economy?
What should actually be accounted for when you're buying it is not only
what has gone into making it up to that point.
It should be the entire life cycle of the product.
And we just completely disregard that in our economy.
I don't understand you. Absolutely.
Maybe with pop cans, we figured it out that we charged another five cents
so that we can recycle them outside of that.
No, it's just up until you're done using it.
That's the life cycle of the product that we have accounted for in our price.
It's not something that everything after that.
No, it's just, yeah, it's something that like it gets destroyed.
And it's not.
I mean, you hear about it, but it's not something that affects your life.
So it's hard to do it.
And then you can just easily ignore it.
And that's really how we set up the market, which is it is.
In my opinion, there should be more onus on a corporation that is, you know,
profiting off of this because people are going to people are going to turn a blind eye.
It's an ugly truth.
And people don't want to see that.
People also sorry to bring this up.
People also don't want to see where their meat and animal products are coming from.
It's easy to turn a blind eye when you're not working in that industry.
I wouldn't even see people are going to maintain being misinformed.
They're going to maintain being ignorant or not knowing what goes into it.
Ridley avoided.
Well, not even readily avoided.
These industries actively avoid people finding out about issues.
Like you've heard about a carbon footprint, right?
You know, but that for, I believe we've talked about it, but I cannot remember
right now. So let us find out you. Well, British Petroleum.
Yes, that was what it was.
Petroleum is the company who actively put forward that as an issue to actively say
that it's not our fault. It's the consumer's fault.
When we completely misinformed the consumer and they make more of a carbon
footprint than we ever could. Yeah. That we ever could.
So that's that. Oh, God, that's
infuriating.
Actually, I'm getting angry at life.
And it's all it's all these corporations, right?
That should be having more responsibility, but they make all this money.
So it doesn't matter.
It's fully the problem, too, with a free market.
Quote unquote.
I will explain this when we get to the episode that I want to talk about it on.
That's going to be my water episode that's coming up very soon.
It's also buyer beware.
They again put the onus on.
Caviar import. Yeah. Yeah.
Consumers, it's not anything to do.
They are just free of any obligation.
That is exactly what BP did, too.
I was like, oh, it's the consumer's fault, not our fault.
Yeah. We're just a corporation that does this thing.
It's really anything because people have
they're making it so that people have to be so informed.
Do not you literally can't do anything.
You can't do anything else in your life if you want to stay fully informed.
And they also want you to be fully a consumer as well.
But you can't do it's not just about that.
But at one point, if people want to live their life, just like what you're talking
about, you have to be, you know, will fully ignorant to things that are going on
to go along and be like, well, I want to wear a lululemon.
So I'm just not going to listen to anything else.
You had no idea about the PFAS thing with lululemons.
You do not have to be actively ignorant.
You just don't have to look exactly.
That to me is actively ignorant. Or did I use it wrong?
That's not actively into it.
That's not actively OK.
Close, but not the same thing.
I just used it wrong. Yes. Fair enough.
Anyhow, enough about this.
It's going to be a long episode, so we should probably get into it.
Let's let's cue music.
From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, the first podcast to bring to you
the idea of a snack break.
Now, we will be introducing this along the way.
And it brought a delicious bacon cheeses, a Canadian delicacy.
Name the name, name the brand.
Oh, yes, from Hawkins. Best one.
To guide me through on my snack break way.
And I just noticed no podcasts have tried this, so we're going to try it out.
Anyhow, we were talking about Richard Doty, Mr. Richie D, Dickie D or Richard Doty.
Chelsea's talked about him before and we're going to continue on our way from here.
Yeah, so I'm just going to jump right in. In case you need a reminder,
I mean, you could just skip back one, listen to it again and come back here.
And then we'll just be running into the same episode.
I'm going to do you solid kindness.
Richard Doty, where we left off, Richie D, he is a dickhead to put it bluntly.
He's a guy he has to add 20 year career as a special agent in the Air Force
Air Force Office of Special Investigations at FOSI, as I'm going to be referring to.
I can't remember how much in this part of the episode.
Stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
who worked as counterintelligence and disinformation to discredit
specific to this episode UFO researchers.
We don't know what else he was disinforming about.
All we care about is UFOs in this episode.
Last episode, we touched on Bill Moore and poor Paul Benowitz.
That was such a hard story to get through.
I feel really bad for him.
But this is the next story.
We have whole new things for you to be frustrated about.
So what else did Richard Doty, Richie D, have his hand in or supposedly had his hand in?
Next thing I'm going to touch on is the Majestic 12.
And if you haven't heard of Majestic 12 before,
this is not the episode to find out about it because I'm giving the cold notes on it.
I will give you just enough so that you know some things on it.
And this story starts when documentary producer Jamie Chandra,
you've not heard of Jamie before.
I'm not sure if Jamie is a boy or a girl, so I'm just going to say they
receives a mysterious envelope dropped through his mail slot.
Envelope had at...
We're dendering Chelsea.
Did I do it?
They received a mysterious envelope dropped through her mail slot.
A gendered envelope had a New Mexico stamp and contained a role of undeveloped photo film.
New Mexico.
That's where Doty was.
I can hear you eating your cheese.
Yeah, we're on snack break.
It's not a break anymore.
So not knowing...
The crunchiest of all cheeses, the shitty puffy ones, they're almost crunchless.
Not knowing what to do with the mysterious film,
Chandra takes it with him to dinner with his friend Bill fucking Moore.
I can't even at this point that this guy's connected to too much stuff.
They don't even eat dinner at this point.
They open this package and they're like, dinner's over.
We need to go develop the film immediately.
Long story short, the pictures were of eight pages of classified documents,
some of which detail that President Truman had appointed a committee of scientists,
government officials, and military men making the Majestic 12.
They figure out just how to deal with the Roswell crash and any other alien incursions
that might occur in the future, essentially the original men in black.
These are the Majestic 12 documents.
And so of course, more along with ufologists,
Jamie Chandra and Stanton Friedman circulated them.
Stanton Friedman was, what was he?
He was some sort of like important scientist.
We talked about him on the first episode as well.
He came up in Project Blue Book as well as in the first episode.
And he's like a legitimate guy.
He has a super high science degree of something.
Yeah, he has a physics degree somewhere.
Physics, yes, physics. It is physics.
According to these Majestic 12 documents, members of the original MJ12 included Dr.
Vannevar Bush, an inventor, engineer, and head of the U.S.
Office of Scientific Research and Development during World War II, retired Admiral
Sidney Sewers, first director of the CIA, and Dr. Donald Menzel, theoretical astrophysicist
and avid UFO debunker, among no other people, because I think there were 12.
Bill Moore had actually first learned about Project Aquarius, if you remember back to the
last episode, and the shadow organization known as MJ12 from the documents that Rick
Doty had showed him.
So there's even conflicting information within the lore around this.
As I told you, there would be.
Rick Doty conflicts himself a lot because that's what liars do.
Essentially, the Majestic 12 were a high-level panel of powerful individuals who oversaw
Project Aquarius that Doty had shown government documents about to Moore as well.
Doty, in a recent interview, told George Knapp that UFO investigations continued under the
Defense Intelligence Agency after Project Blue Boat shut down.
Oh no, that's a good George.
He actually interviews him, which I'll try to kind of get into.
I don't blame him.
I don't blame George Knapp for wanting to interview him.
George Knapp is awesome.
I wouldn't see him turning down an interview with a tritic face.
Not sorry, he is.
Doty is adamant that he has no part of the MJ12 documents.
However, he was investigated by the FBI in relation to their circulation,
and they said people had claimed Doty had given them to him.
And he was clear that he didn't put these documents out.
So who even knows at this point?
Personally, like, you can't trust the thing that he's got.
To be fair, who was in charge of the FBI at this point is J. Edgar Hoover.
And it really depends on who he wants on his shit list and who he doesn't.
Anyhow, J. Edgar Hoover basically ran the FBI as his personal shit list for a long time.
So if you weren't on a shit list, you didn't really care that much.
If you were on a shit list, oh boy, did they send every piece of information and power they had to
destroy you to do it.
So possibly just not on the shit list.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and do something maybe not a lot of podcasts do.
If I can find it, I will be placing here, in editing, a conversation between RTD and George NAP.
If I cannot, I will be reenacting the interview now.
George NAP says,
I don't want to go into too much detail about MJ12,
but you've been a link to that story and Bill Moore for a long time.
You mentioned, you made a comment in passing earlier today that you think there's
legitimate information in there.
J. Dodie says,
Yes, I'm 90% sure that there's legitimate information.
These documents were created based on actual documents.
The documents that were released weren't and the Air Force covered itself.
The government cover itself by saying these aren't legitimate documents.
Not the information contained in it was not.
Yeah.
Can you say whether there is an organization like that?
J. Dodie says,
Yes, there was.
NAP says, Do you think that still exists?
I'm not sure.
I'm positive it exists.
No.
I am sure.
J. Dodie says,
Not I'm not.
He is sure.
He is definitely sure.
I'm positive it exists.
I know that when Project Blue Book, and it was briefed in the program in 1979,
and one of the things they mentioned in the report in the briefing was that the Air Force
ceased its investigation of UFOs in 1969, based on the Condon Report.
They continued a classified investigative program, which intelligence officers were involved in.
And when they needed a depository for the information from Project Blue Book,
they were looking for an agency that wanted it, and the DIA was only 10 years old.
They raised their hand and said, We'll take it.
And at that time, and during my time in, I know, DIA had a repository for the information.
Whether it still does today, I don't know.
NAP says,
You just heard a presentation of our stuff about DIA having a study that was ongoing.
There was a collection effort.
Makes sense that they would collect that information, and when there's an encounter
with national security implications.
Our weapons or nukes or something like that.
Dodie.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Any threat to national security, the government's going to investigate,
and they're going to collect information.
They're going to do thorough investigations.
They're going to interview the people, collect all the data possible out there,
and that has to go someplace to DIA.
So that's Majestic 12.
It's literally the least I could do on the Majestic 12.
That is, you got what Majestic 12 was, right?
I think.
Yeah.
And Majestic 12 is a conspiracy in itself.
So maybe in the future, we do a Majestic 12 episode too.
It would be good.
It's renowned to have been debunked.
A fake document.
However, there are people out there that are steadfast that these are legitimate document.
What's his face is one of them.
Stanton Freeman, 100% thinks that this is a legitimate document that was linked.
They did go to the government and were able to find these documents somehow in their time.
I have seen a steadfast breakdown that these documents are not dated correctly or even
like wordy correctly in the corners.
So.
Yes.
We could do an, we should do an episode on the Majestic 12.
They do have them in government record and they say bogus across them because the government
investigated them, of course, which just adds fuel to the file with UFO investigators that
they wrote bogus across them.
There is a lot more to it.
I just did the very basic of what it is.
I think I got that across.
So what I want you to take from it was Majestic 12 was the government covertly still continuing
to investigate UFOs.
Dodie absolutely denies having any involvement in this.
This honestly says Dodie to everybody who comes in contact with it.
And like I just said, the document is widely believed to be a fake.
Stanton Freeman, however, continues to assert that he believes they're real.
I mean, who nobody else is so renownly known to be faking government documents like Dodie.
It's Dodie for sure.
Which brings me to Linda Moulton Howe, my favorite.
UFOs sweet her.
I love her.
She is an investigative journalist who started out investigating cattle mutilations and just
kind of went from there.
In this episode, if you didn't gather this, I'm talking about
inactions that Richard Dodie had within the UFO community.
The first was Bill Moore in the first episode and Paul Benowitz.
This episode Majestic 12 and now we're on to Linda Moulton Howe.
Though Linda's research into the cattle mutilation phenomenon earned her a deal with HBO for a UFO
documentary and it also struck a chord with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.
I did read an article, I don't know where, so I'm just like freeballing it here,
that the government was using these weird helicopters to investigate animal exposure
to nuclear radiation in certain areas as far as it goes to cattle mutilations.
I can't remember where I read that, but I just wanted to put it up there.
The amount of radiation that was put out into the world into the 50s to the 70s-ish?
Yeah, I'd never actually...
Like they wanted to see the impact.
Yeah, I'd never actually heard that theory put forth, so I think it's legitimate.
And if they're testing things like that, you wouldn't think that they want to know
because black helicopters are something that are tied to the cattle mutilation phenomenon.
So definitely if they're doing something like that, they probably want to shut someone like Linda
Moulton Howe. But that's just an aside really.
What we're talking about here is Richard Doty who invites Linda Moulton Howe to Kirtland Air Force
Base where he discloses to Linda that aliens do exist and that the US government has been
in contact with them. He shows her as he is famous for official government documents that
outline mankind's contact with aliens at Roswell, the existence of a living extraterrestrial
survivor at the crash there, and the mind-bending revelation that these aliens had genetically
engineered humanity and sent spiritual leaders like Jesus Christ to guide us in our evolution.
Doty promised, I'm sorry, yeah, he showed Linda these documents or he told her he showed her.
He was famous for forging government documents. So Doty promises Linda footage of UFO crashes
and landings of aliens both deceased and living and he suggested he might be able to arrange
a meeting between Howe and this extraterrestrial guest of the government. However, they never
made good on their promises and HBO cancelled Howe's project. I like her. I really like her,
just like I like Paul Benowitz. Linda Moulton Howe is still out there. She actually took this
information public. She's really good getting documents to back up who people are who are
giving her information. And if you're someone like that looking for that, Doty fits the bill. He can
give you the documentation, say what he's saying is correct and legit. He had government documents
that he was allowed to back them up. Richard Doty denies that this meeting ever occurred with Linda
Moulton Howe. That's kind of how that ends, unfortunately. Did Linda, has Linda ever commented
on this relationship? She's famously talked about it. She talks about it in miragement. This is just
something that is known to have happened. It's documented in a variety of places and she talks
about it. He says no, I would probably take her word over for kiddies. Yeah, that's Linda Moulton
Howe. It's not a huge part, but she all of these are major things in the UFO community. As I
recapped about six different times in this episode, we have all Benowitz, which is linked to the
Dulce UFO case. We have Gilmore, who has written numerous books who have shaped the way we think
about not only the Bermuda Triangle, which is weird to think, one person's book threw that much
mystery around a triangle in nature. Roswell. And he has gone on record saying that he was
fed this information by Richard Doty. We have, what else do we have? The Majestic 12 documents,
and we have Linda Moulton Howe also coming forward saying that she was fed same information,
basically that we saw Bill Moore giving to Paul Benowitz. It's basically the same stuff.
Just to recap what we're dealing here with, I'm sure there's much more that we don't know about.
In 2019, Doty was invited to speak at UFO Megacon, a large UFO conference in Laughlin, Nevada. In
his presentation, he acknowledged participating in surveillance of UFO groups and in disseminating
false information. Doty maintains that his interest in the UFO subject is legitimate and that he is
now free to speak about certain programs he saw while in the military, including during a stint in
Nevada's Area 51 military base. Yeah. In regards to that, he also claims that he worked at Area 51
and knows Bob Lazar, which is a whole other thing. Yeah. And at least as far as we know,
for most people who claim that they're outside of their government-timed confidentiality agreement,
it's not as soon as you're done with the government. Yeah. Which is also super weird for me that he's
now talking about it. Outside of him is pretty much just deathbed confessions. 100%. You bring up a
very good point. You're not going to see anyone talking like this so freely. It's not like you
get out of the government and all of a sudden you're like, yeah, I can talk about everything now.
Super weird. And just because the ball's rolling, the Costa Rica balls are rolling down the hill to
hit the bowling pins. For a perfect strike. Yeah. What happened to Bill Moore, you ask? At a 1989
MUFON conference, Moore claimed that he had been engaged in a disinformation activities against,
it was bad English, but I'm just going to keep going. All Bennewitz and on behalf of the Air Force
Office of Special Investigations and literally he's not done anything in the UFO community since he
came out and said that yes, he was involved in it. Where is Rick Doty now? He's living his life as
a normal police officer in some state. I can't remember. I didn't write it down for some reason.
You can find him doing a lot of interviews now, which drives me nuts. Why people are interviewing
him now about all over the place. I mean, we could probably get him if we wanted to. I don't want to.
Who said Dr. Guy? Oh, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. What's that? I'm not a particular
fan of him. Yeah, I know who you're talking about. One second here. He hosts the show on Gaia TV now.
Oh, there he is. I'm looking at a picture of him. What's your name? Steven Greer. Steven Greer. Thank
you. Steven Greer has interviewed him a lot on Gaia TV. Apparently Steven Greer has a big show
on Gaia. He's interviewed Rick Doty a lot. A lot of people. He's out there. He's just out there in
the UFO community now. Is he or Steven Greer just fucking weird because he is? He is. He is a, what's
the word for it, fearmonger? I don't know. What's the word for fearmonger? Did you come up with
the word for fearmonger? No, no, no. That's what he is. He likes to spout a lot of fear and I don't
like that. Which is really weird for somebody who has a medical license. Yeah. He's been interviewed
by him on Gaia. George Knapp has been interviewing him. He's just out there now. A lot of people
are just interviewing him. I hate this guy. Why people are interviewing him like, oh, you're in
the government. You're disinformation. You much know so much. What makes you think he's telling
you anything that's the truth? He's made a career online. He's fucking done. How would you know he's
done? Yeah, I don't get it. Surprisingly, they probably told him during his time with the government
to say, oh yeah, I'm done. Don't worry. Yeah. At some point. I don't get it. And you can find more
interviews with him now and you could when he was putting out this different information stuff. So
it is just beyond me. I don't even have words for this. Why he's still out there giving interviews.
He's all over the place talking about UFOs and ETs and so on. And I just can't seem to connect the
dots together as to why anyone's willing to interview him at this point and put any stock
into what he's saying at all. I mean, I get George Knapp. I wouldn't interview him. No, I wouldn't
interview him. Trust George Knapp to at least do a good job with that because I trust George Knapp.
He's the best of the Georges on this coast. Yeah, he is. He's really good. Just like without a doubt.
It's like I love Linda Moulton Howe, but look where he got Linda Moulton Howe. Nowhere. Yeah,
but to be fair with Linda Moulton Howe style, it makes sense for her to get somebody like a dirty.
Yeah, it does. And then you just like. Also everybody just so that we're all on the same page.
Linda Moulton Howe does do a live YouTube broadcast every Thursday night on YouTube. I was just
trying to think of her name. I think it is just Linda Moulton Howe. Yeah, I subscribe to it. So
it pops up every Wednesday. It's actually a decent time. I'm PST. It's usually around like 6, 7 p.m.
Yeah. And she has interesting guests. I would say they're all at least on par with the idea of Doty's
story, which is why it's so believable. And I mentioned that with her because she asked for
credentials for sharing stories. And Richard Doty would have been able to provide that with his
documents. It just the whole story is so convoluted. I hope that I got it across. This could have been a
very long episode, but I just wanted to do get to the meat and bones of the story and get that
across. I don't like Richard Doty. Yeah, I think this is coming to the end. So do you have any
closing thoughts? I mean, I know we think he's a skisdaker. I don't think it's somebody to be
believed. I don't think at all. But at the same time, it's so hard to actually say. Barring him
showing his bank account. I don't know how you could say like, you know, for sure he's lying or
you know, for sure. But then you show his bank account. But what's that going to prove if he's
talking about aliens unless he's being paid? Well, it's at least going to prove he's not getting
paid. Well, he is right now. I mean, he's still if he's working as a police officer, he's still
being paid. Well, no, yeah, he's no. And he's drawing a pension. But I would say like, you're
done here. We'll get you a cushy job as a police officer. No, but you would think if they're also
paying him to go do these interviews that he would be getting good compensation for. Just
police compensation. And also he would have to be working as a police officer. And we do know that
he is through Freedom of Information Act request that he was for sure employed by what he says
that he was that was back there. And then as you can see, a few points that I have written down,
you see that some of the stuff I can't see. I'll read. I read you here. A lot of what he says
is contradictory to what he's saying. And the accounts have changed over the years,
according to him. I already said this one to the Air Force refuses to comment on whether they knew
of what he was doing in his activities and whether his claims of partaking in this activity
at the behest. Totally my word. His superiors is accurate. You don't know that. I do. It was
right there in my notes. I wrote it down. You basically UFO people are super gullible. I mean,
I can't disagree with them. I can't either. But I mean, you go to anybody with any sort of credentials
and they're going to believe you. It's not just UFO people. People get stopped by fake police
officers or not police officers. And they just naturally trust that they're a police officer.
And sometimes they're not on and they call like the place and say like, I mean, if he wants to
pull me over or fuck Gabriel Wormann, like this happens, but you give it to a UFO person and
they're like, oh, you have people. They're so gullible. They're crazy. They're not. They're
just regular people being told that it's the government doing this and just trust the government.
Yeah. If anything is for certain, I hate Richie D. And what is the point of him? Yeah. I mean,
to be fair, at the end of the day, Dickie really seems to be just a big of these. So.
So that's Richard Doty and we hate him. Okay. Well, I'm glad I now have a reason
emotionally to hate another individual and as opposed to just kind of like vaguely hating
it. So yeah, it's pretty. It's been a good emotional journey. Yeah. I'm here. That's
the reasons to hate this guy. Yeah. But thank you for that, Chelsea. I think we'll go towards
something slightly less hateful in the next couple of episodes, but you never know. I decided to
go with hate on this episode, which is Richard Doty. Yeah. And hate is what you got and hate maybe
is something you get next time too. Probably not, but maybe I'm not ruling hate out. That's fair.
But for now, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea talking about this Doty character,
Richard Doty, and we have been journey to the fringe. Thank you for listening and we'll see you
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