00:00:00 We were just talking about tenant landlord relationships. I know it's a Hot Topic issue. I just wanted to talk about another approach is being taken in another country of Germany. Mainly Berlin at the moment. So, I didn't actually know this, but I was just reading and about 80% of Berlin population at the moment or four and five. Berliners. Do not own the property. They live in the renters. That's pretty high for surprised me a lot. Basically what they're proposing right now is there used to be social housing in most places in the 80s. They got sold off, private Enterprise, to be able to profit off it. And what Berlin has proposed is the actual Erie. Nationalize a lot of the housing, having the state expropriate, the property rights from landlords who hold more than 3,000 units of housing & Beyond by the state so that people don't pee a little man. What has happened is 56% of the vote in a referendum voted.
00:01:00 Yes, we should be expropriated property this way. They are set in Berlin, to expropriate, Andre nationalize 200,000 homes, so that they have some sort of social housing. That's not a bad idea. Why hasn't anyone here thought of that? It is definitely a thing that we've done in the past. It's that we are too much in any liberal world right now to specifically, take this route. But if you do ever want to see a place where social housing worked wonderfully, I would look no further than the state called red Vienna. That was Vienna prior to World War II. Where the common way of providing housing or just living was in social housing provided by the government was beautiful housing, that was communal and dirt cheap and actually had some beautiful architecture involved in it, interesting, but just so we're all clear there is not only two options of live under a lamb.
00:02:00 Order on your own property. There are many different ways of doing this. Only two of which are explored ever in the Western World. For the no spark. At least you come by. I don't think no. And even, they're only in very specific areas to or you could live off the grid. That's an interesting thing to keep an eye on because this is just went through with the German election. That just went by. I'd series to see how it plays out and specifically, if the government actually follows through cuz this is just a referendum by the people saying they would like this thing to take play. Yeah. I wonder if somebody said took a vote here and said, would you like this to take place? What the answer would be when the government pays building? They say, you know what? We're just going to hire this company to build it for us.
00:02:59 If in any event. I've never hear those ever explored. When I listen to it on City Hall meetings. Even if I just dressed up and said I was the government and pulled the neighborhood. I wonder what my findings would be to have a fake mustache. I do know, I don't. Okay, for the newest poll from Journey to the frames that will be announced in due course. We'll see. Okay.
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00:04:07 Bianca how to load a fortified Tower in the face of the enemy. Hello and welcome to Journey To The Fringe. The only podcast out there that reminds you when life temps you with fringe, be sure your journey for some Fringe innate. I am Taylor your purveyor of Fringe innate and here is Chelsea T are moving in to the month of October. She will be are shall we? Say cicerone spookiness plus we're already in like the third week of October by the time that this is coming. We're well into October. So I stayed safe so far kept the demons at bay. If not, we may be able to help you in this episode actually to keep them out or invite them out or at least get them away and we would never help you invite them in. Never. So today.
00:05:07 Is not already very evident by would ever unique and quirky name. I have chosen. We are talking about exorcism all about them. Just all the time. I hope you pick the name to be something to do with excuse. Was I circled? It don't lead, anyone has spanned the globe, surprisingly enough and go back very far. So, what we're going to do is give you an outline of a very narrow judeo. Christian view of what an exorcism is, what the rights are where they've come, where they've gone. What were with today. Like that point. I think we're going to look at a few interesting cases and leave you with maybe just a few different places that you can go. Should you need a sure-fire Catholic exorcism. Did you get ordained? I did not get ordained. It actually seems really inconvenient. Okay?
00:06:07 Jake Luton and there is someone in Kelowna have competition. Is it Ed Warren the other side but he's self-proclaimed as well. Yes, but with that, I'll think I'll start us off with what exactly is an exorcism and this is actually kind of a hard thing to in a general sense. Tell you what it is. I can tell you what it is for Madrid to get judeo Christian point of view. But everybody around the world with some exception, of course, has some sort of ritual for exorcism depending, on which culture you're interacting with, will give you a different answer as to what exorcism actually is. In a general sense. It will be removing an unwanted Spirit or emotion, or connection from a person place or thing.
00:07:06 All of it. Generally, this will be performed by a person who has been trained or a person that is equipped with the proper ritual tools. And I think that's fairly common throughout all of the different cultures. If this does come from however, it is not always just something that's evil or something that is tangibly, a spirit that is attached to us. If you just go on the Wikipedia page for exorcisms, you will find descriptions for cultures all the way from Buddhism to Christianity, to Mormons apparently, because they are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Hinduism to Islam, were takes on a, more of a unique idea of the Djinn being the things that need to be exercised. And I'm not comfortable, just saying that, they are evil spirits to put that bluntly and touch on another time and to Dowell ISM and Chinese folk religions, which put them in for lack of better words.
00:08:06 Are pagan religions where it's more of a familial and nature Worship in China, yes.
00:08:14 Sounds like I need to find out more about that. I would highly recommend reading up on taoism. It's a collection of poems which basically always described that passiveness has the key and what's so above so below. So, it's all just a block of wood to put it bluntly. You know, it's funny, and that's kind of coincidence right there. Knox's, asking me. What passiveness was today. What passes meant? Did you tell him? I guess that would be a good example, but now and then he asked me, what, passive-aggressive way ya. Anyhow, if we are focusing on this from a judeo-christian point of view, and when we are looking at that, it is very specific. And what an exorcism is. It is specifically the removal of an evil spirit, particularly an evil spirit related in some way to the one, the old Lucifer, the angel who rebelled against God, and was cast down because that
00:09:13 Is where evil comes from, any judeo Christian point of view and therefore, that is what you need to remove, be it from a person place or thing. It's actually really interesting. I do have a weird little summary that I just think is more confusing been answering. It comes from an orthodox, which I will get to hell. That's a little different. Okay, Judo Christian point of view exorcism obviously finds its roots in Judaism who would have thought and in Judaism, at least when we look at the original interpretations and readings really, have three different types of exorcisms that can be performed. And those are Magic based exorcism. An example of this is Josefus tells of a Jew performing exorcisms by putting a finger ring to the nose of a supper. And as the person smells the pungent root in it, drawing out the demon. When the person fell down after the demon left the exercise,
00:10:13 These poems or songs and Solomon's name to order the demon, never to return. That's not like that much magic know, but this is the important part. Anyone could do these so long as they know the ceremony so it's not so much important who is doing it is just so much that a ritual is used. OK. Google Eva, Lizzie Charisma base. Exorcism an example of this is Diamond band. You'll say is said to have cast out a demon by calling out, then two million get out in the story from the 2nd Century. BCE success. Was thought to depend. Not on what was said or done but only on the personal force of The Exorcist. Okay. This one is not so much about the rituals more, so about the, the power of the individual and then the third one is not actually its own category. It's just the middle of that Venn diagram. It's a little bit karizmatik basins, a little bit mad.
00:11:13 Just that this again, telling a story of King Saul, who is beset with evil spirits cured by David standing over the king, playing his harp, and chanting his song, success, in this narrative. According to Josephus, for Yosef Astoria. I'm not that good as my, it's not yet. Ashai Hebrew only on personal Force, but also on what The Exorcist said and did and still disappointed by this mention of magic. I thought it was like, do magic tricks for the semester, but it's not that, it's not. And if I was a demon, I just be more pissed off at somebody said magic and didn't do tricks for me. So it didn't hurt my back. I know I'm betting that they were going to perform magic and they just got disappointed left that to or they just enraged the demon is like magic.
00:12:13 There we get to Jesus who did, of course, perform exorcisms throughout his Wild Adventures from being a crazy disgruntled teen through his later years. Is this in the Bible? I have seen Renditions of exorcism performed by Jesus. I couldn't actually find a specific story but I didn't want to focus too much on the Bible. Part of this. We're not going to be able to represent the Bible and proper way of growing up reading that thing because I just thought that I missed out on something like the best part of the Bible, but I guess he's not in the Bible and it's that whole part where Jesus was an angsty teen that we probably have more education on some of the stuff than Believers might cuz we had to take religion classes. Well if I only take one,
00:13:13 I mean to at least know the prodigal sided one to use that. Yeah, the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost gospels betrayed Jesus. As a prolific Exorcist, the main books of the New Testament. Be Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So Mark is the one saying things has Mark. We talked back in the day being from Jersey Jersey. Mark, the Bible indeed. We know of no other figure in Antiquity for whom exorcism was so important, Matthew and Luke, both suggested Exorcism of central significance in understanding him of John's gospel, is that there is no mention of exorcisms. Perhaps, because they were basically what I want to talk about gear is there are kind of different interpretations of what Jesus has exorcisms actually were whether or not they were charismatic in that only Jesus could have performed them or whether they were ritual.
00:14:14 Okay, I'm people saying that he was actually invoking the name of God to remove the demons or the evil spirits from within whatever he was removing them from, with some saying that it was more. So just the fact that, you know, it's Jesus. So he's, he's got a little more power than everybody else and charismatic face. And from that you actually get splits and how different sects of Christianity deal with exorcism in specifically, who can deal with it from there. There is a long time where exorcisms are performed within Christianity. However is not heavily regulated by the church or at least by the Vatican until 1614 when they come up with the first Rite of exorcism and they have very specific rules when it comes to this Chelsea. I'm getting some feedback. Really. Yeah. I don't know why.
00:15:14 Output is what kind of feedback negative feedback people are saying, I'm stupid.
00:15:21 Let's try that. Hello kitty cats way better. Okay. So according to the Roman ritual, only certain priests can become Exorcist, a priest one, who is expressly and particularly authorized by the ordinary ordinary being capitalized. And I don't know what they mean by that. When he intends to perform an exorcism over person's tormented by the devil, must be properly, distinguished for his piety, prudence and integrity of life. You should fill fill this development undertaking in all constancy and humility utterly. Immuned any striving for human aggrandizement and relying, not on his own will. But on the divine power, moreover, he ought to be of mature years and reverence not allowed for his office, but for his moral qualities, and this is where the distinction comes in the Roman Catholic religion, that it needs to be, somebody not just any priest.
00:16:21 Somebody of good moral character who has shown this in their undertaking as a priest and is equipped to actually deal with this. I can get behind that. Furthermore, in order to exercise his ministry. Rightly. He should resort to a great deal, more study of the matter by examining approved. Authors, in cases from experience Jack supposed to the Orthodox Church, which has very different viewpoints on this. And this is actually the doctrine of evil. I am going to talk about in the Orthodox one. It's a book. This is actually just from the Greek Orthodox. Archdiocese of America. The Orthodox doctrine of God is that he is eternal and created an incorporeal. All other creatures, both visible and invisible for created by God as free, the power of the devil will ultimately be destroyed by the resurrection of the dead and the renewal of creation salvation from all evil will be attained by the obedience to God. And his plan, this world is a Battleground between
00:17:21 The acceptance of Good and Evil. It must be pointed out that the world creation of God is not evil. What is evil of the satanic power destroyed by the power of the Cross and the resurrection of the Christ with this in mind, any Orthodox priest can perform an exorcism because it is more important that you are invoking. God, and using the tools of God than who's actually performing his the ritual. Very interesting. I didn't realize there is so much debate over how you do an exorcism. This is the doctrine of evil from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America View and practice of exorcisms. One must know, the Orthodox priests deposition of evil and its doctrine of Satan. The patristic evidence points to the fact that the cause of the evil in the world, is the devil. The devil was created by God as an angel who was free. And as a free agent, chose to oppose.
00:18:21 Was the plan of God. That is the Devil is a fallen angel. Satan is not evil by nature, but by Will, and action, and Satan, there is no truth whatsoever. He is absolute falsehood and deception. Satan is not just an occasion, or deprivation of good, but a positive force with free will that always chooses evil. The devil has the ability to recognize the divine power, as in the incidence of recognizing Christ. As the Son of God. I just found that so contradictive and will always choose know, that's what I think too. But he must always choose evil, even though he is free. So, that's just a little bit more about the exorcism and the actual ritual that goes into it. So, there is a prayer that must be uttered. There are actually several different prayers to do depending on how severe you think the infection is, but before you do the prayer, there is
00:19:21 Sarcastic plays the priest delegated by the ordinary form. This office should first go to confession or at least elicit, an action of Contrition. And if convenient offer the holy sacrifice of the mass and implored God's help, and other fervent prayers, divest, his surplice and purple stole having before him the person possessed, who should be down. If there is any danger, he traces the sign of the cross over himself and the bystanders and then sprinkled all of them with holy water after this. He kneels and says the Litany of saints, exclusive of the prayers, which follow it. All present, are to make the responses at the end of the litany. He adds the following that last little bit. It's just like the actual prayer itself. It's pretty long. So, I don't really want to say the whole thing. It's fine. We're not doing an exorcism today. So that is the original 1614. Rite of exorcism. That was put in place. And for a long time, that was
00:20:21 The only code that was in place for Roman Catholics. So many questions came up in my mind. While I was doing this research and let him wonder what their rate of success was to have this process in place for them to need to do an exorcism. This specific way and teach other people that this is the way that they do it different ways. I just I wonder or even if the person dies at the end you could still say, well, at least there was no Devil Within them anymore. So really were they looking to find the right way to remove something people from the body, or were they just saying whatever happened afterwards was just the process to which they have attributed. It must happen because you start talkin about all these possession cases and then you start thinking of religion, right? And all the different religions and their process that they would have for Exterminating demons or what they would consider evil, and it just like gets your mind go.
00:21:20 King of all the different processes and all the different ways each religion sees fit. And then you look at Charisma and magic and what, when they go with and I'm sure a lot of other religions have different things. It's just, I find it super interesting. And then we just landed on a solecism exorcism. As I think, probably the most popular just cuz of movies.
00:21:45 See, well, the Catholic exorcism predates movies. So I don't know if that's the only reason we settled on it. It could also be that it one of the largest groups of people in Western World. I think that's what I'm going to go with. Because that's who you see, you know, one of the major movie Producers Productions of the world was just saying. I think that's where it comes from. For everybody is horror movies, majority of who know about exorcisms would be horror movies. I don't know that a lot of people have first-hand experience. Maybe they do not even in Western Society. Although we are losing a lot of religious practices. Like we are probably the least religious groups in the first world and West buddy. However, we are still culturally Christian for the last part and parts of the Bible. Some of it might in fact, be the exorcism. It's really hard to really
00:22:45 Pinpoint. Whether or not I learned about exorcism from movies or from weird second-hand understanding of religious practices.
00:22:55 But you're right. I mean when we do like Christmas and stuff like that, that's all it's done. And beliefs or what have you got a little bit about this? Rite of exorcism priests who become Exorcist are holy men, who do not seek out this ministry for power or self game but are called by God for this task. It takes many years of careful study before a priest is properly prepared for such an Endeavor and the ministry has not taken life under. No such circumstance is a layperson. Permitted to become an exorcist sole people can assist an exorcist on special occasions. Similar rules. Apply to these assistants. They should have a devote prayer life United to the sacrament. Then you can prop prepared for such an experience as a person attached to send. Could severely hampered the exorcism process. The devil will try with all his might to further his influence during an exorcism. And so anyone involved with casting out a demon must rely.
00:23:54 Entirely on the power of God protect them. It is me actually dangerous location. One that requires a great deal of Holiness and humility. Yeah, so that's how it was written. These rules were actually looked at and amended in 1999. Interesting. Although I could not find the specifics of the wording that was added. It was a fairly substantive document. From what I could find there were specific things that you can take ROM. What was added to the 1999? Rite of exorcism new guide, has more sober language with fewer adjectives than in the previous one, but the basic setup is exactly the same. Indeed. We need to take some magic.
00:24:39 Indeed for making several, not in the direction of modern psychiatric thinking the guide specifically where for I'm something many contemporary Catholic, find hard to accept the idea of Satan as are you living thinking being the devil? It says, goes around like a roaring lion looking for souls to devour, according to official Roman Catholic Doctrine. Beelzebub can never overcome the limitations, imposed on him by God, what is capable of taking possession of individual? That is when an exorcist does needed armed with prayers, and rituals a line in the new guide, unlike its predecessor D, exorcismus warns against confusing, possession with mental illness, among the signs of demonic possession are speaking in unknown languages Discerning distant or hidden things. In displaying a physical strength. That is it odds with the possessed person's age or state of hell, but the guide warns of designs can all denote sickness rather than evil. It adds a text.
00:25:39 Isn't should only be tried after diligently inquiring and having consulted experts in spiritual matters and it felt appropriate experts in medical and psychiatric science who have a sense of spiritual reality, those elaborate qualification seem to rule out, traditional Freudian psychologist. So I do find that interesting that they're, at least saying that we need to rule out mental illness at this point. Yeah, they can't just use any psychiatrist. Ask be a good Catholic psychiatrist. What they think about devil and that he's free will, but he has none and all that free. Will. That causes him to be evil? Yeah. I know we're talkin about this in a certain religious point of view, but I always thought it like so narrow-minded to think that these
00:26:39 Do to use whatever. They may be our something specifically against God, which I guess is what religion has in the first place. So it's all on the filter that you're looking at it through then or do you think it makes sense in a certain point of view? So long as you don't just a tribute, all good and all evil to one side or the other things can be morally, opposed and not necessarily all good, or all evil. And I I do actually think that that one thing that people kind of get wrong with most universal or spiritual ideas, like karma for instant people talk about Karma all the time, as something. If you do something good, you'll get something good. If you do something bad, you'll get something bad in a very, very simplistic way of explaining it. However, I always think people misunderstand that it's not their idea of what's good. And what's bad is being applied. If you're looking karma from a universal point of view and we can never know. What is fully good and what is
00:27:39 A good reward or what's boy band with us? We're humans. But yeah, that's that's at least the blue lens. I think this is done through. So that's the first part at least stated that mental illness. Something we need to consider, which is great. I really wish it would have come before 1999 but whatever daily Scott there. The other main novelty that they've added is a media blackout in the name of preventing the Ritual from quote, becoming a spectacle unquote. The new rules stipulate that the presence of media Representatives. During an exorcism is not allowed but you can't have cameras. You can't have reporters. He can't have a a documentary crew there because this is technically I guess that would be a sin of like vanity or something along those lines to try to.
00:28:34 Make money off at our greed, something along those lines. Okay, the next part, I find interesting as well. The next part. I find not also necessarily true cuz I've been trying to find this and I just can't all Roman Catholic. Diocese have an exorcist, a free specifically appointed to the post by his Bishop, but the degree to which actresses are used is said to be enormously married and church officials say that in some parts of the world. They are scarcely employed at all. So this is an article I read rate from 1999. I found it interesting as then like talking about it in the present tense, cuz the internet somehow was around at the time. It was somehow they did quote that the pope himself in 1982 performed, an exorcism, but I didn't know which pope so I just didn't focus on that part of the yard. I don't know. My pooped enough to know who was the pope in 1999, but I don't know for sure and of course, his name's not Pope, John Paul II prior to him becoming the Pope.
00:29:34 Yeah, you don't get given your cocaine. You take it from a hat. Magic. That is the last update to the rules that has taken place. There have been exactly two sets of rules in the thousands of years that exorcism has been around. At least written down in the Catholic church. And as of late, I found articles saying that there is an absolute shortage of exorcism performing priests in the world at the moment. In 2015, the Vatican held a seminar or a training program for 250 priests who underwent the exorcism. And it was reported in that year, 500,000 people in Italy reported being possessed in requiring exorcism, my God, what percent of seems ridiculous and also, I just picture like, all these priests going.
00:30:34 With late, lunch boxes and stuff for exorcism school. And then like, then what, how did they train them after that? So, that is kind of a tightly held secret. I assume there's some sort of boxing regiment because it would not make a good montage if there was not some sort of action scene. Yeah. Have to be. Yeah, but I was tired of that. I'm kind of lost for words and from the turn of the century, there were 12 practicing Exorcist in the US and that number is somewhere around a hundred at the moment. Okay, that's a lot though. You would think but apparently there was enough to do that. Now the question is, is this a ploy to or something? Not necessarily a ploy. Something to reignite the flame of religion and people in the fact that you're saying they're there is more of in need of Exorcist. This is a flashy thing that the church can show off. Yeah. They got the Exorcist.
00:31:34 That they're necessarily looking for something sexy or say to show up about the Catholic church. I'm just saying, if you were looking for a church to show up as sexy, that is probably the closest thing because you don't want to show up and down. I mean, how do you counteract? All the evil? We got Exorcist? Yeah. I'm still on this. What do they do at Exorcist raining? Like, you think they have? Do you think they have video name tags? Now? I know just think of all the same. Like, did there's a recess? They run out like, getting too fidgety. So until this is my toy, and I like it a lot.
00:32:28 Stories abound from like this last decade from 2010 to now certain diocese in the United States, performing ritual exorcisms on like the Civic parts of towns on objects on people all across the US. Specifically about there, being a shortage of Exorcist with the diocese in Saskatchewan, and they describe a very interesting story that I'm going to go through right now. Okay, for formed by a trained Exorcist, pre owned owned by somebody called, who was who was called just happened in 2012. CBC News, spoke with the Catholic priests involved in this case, which arose in March of 2012, and agreed, not to identify participants in order to protect their privacy. According to church official, a priest was called to a Saskatoon home by a woman who said her uncle showed signs of being possessed by
00:33:28 Devil, the woman believes a priest's blessing could help. The Destroyer was mad at the home, the priest encountered, a shirtless middle-aged man. Louch on a couch and holding his head in his hands. As the man had used a sharp instrument to carve the word hell on his chest. That just seems like someone from just kidding. When the priest entered, the room, the men spoke in the third person, saying, the priest told CBC news that he had never seen anything like this, and was concerned enough to call police for safety reasons.
00:34:08 You then bless the man saying he belong to the good side to Jesus. Who is the man voice return to normal for a short time, the unusual voice returned. When police arrived in the priests continue to bless the man until he resumed. A more normal composer. CBC News. Followed up on the incident to learn. If an exorcism had been performed with the church officials said a formal exorcism did not have Bishop Don Boling explained that the ritual of exorcism is a very structured exercise. He said, it was not clear to Saskatoon. Man was possessed, or experiencing mental breakdown. I would think there are perhaps more stories about exorcism in Hollywood than there are on the ground. But the Catholic Church teaches that there is a force of darkness and that God is stronger than that, Darkness.
00:34:55 Church leaders in Saskatoon have been considering whether Saskatoon needs a trained Exorcist. The last person in the city with formal training was Reverend Joseph, Castillo retired in 2003 nor does the Regina archdiocese have an exorcist. So Boland said, they're looking to other location. We're kind of looking at what the Diocese of Calvary. Does. They have a special commission for Spiritual spiritual discernment?
00:35:21 He explained that the commission meets with people connected to a possible possession to ask. Whether there's some kind of psychological or psychiatric explanation to a situation. He also added that the commission is also open to the possibility of demonic possession. Catholics are not the only ones examining what to do when presented with possible cases of possession. I think that is the most, this needs to be said about that article. I did find that incredibly interesting. I have gone back to my crush words. I shall stay with them for a while. And yeah, that's where we're at in the world today of exorcism people. On the one hand. You would think because of the rise of mental health, we would be moving further away from exorcisms. But the Catholic church is saying we're at an all-time high for the need for Exorcist. Yeah, and we have to remember, we're just doing it from a very, very narrow one. So that's from the Catholic church. So
00:36:21 I don't know a whole lot about it from other ones. But yeah, more like Calgary, I guess is what we're trying to say, which is weird in this one instance, regards to the Greek Orthodox church, and they do have an exorcism ritual for removing the evil eye evil eye. It's a cultural idea of people putting jealousy in the objects, which I think at some point, I would like to do an episode on the idea of the evil eye, but I think I had the nation of it for now. We need to put this on the episode list. Evil. I will we know what that is when it comes up. So I have a few cases and then I have a treat for everybody. My first case that I did was by popular demand. And by popular demand, I mean what I thought would be popular and is popular to myself. First. I have the story behind the famous exercise.
00:37:21 Movie. And I hope, you know what? I'm referring to an exec. The Exorcist Exorcist movie, The Story based on a movie called possessed, which I actually haven't seen, but I found out that this is actually inspires this movie as well. Have you seen this? I have not know. Those two were based on the book. The Exorcist that was written in 1971 and I just didn't know that it was based on a book. But anyhow, here's the story. That's enough introduction on this one. The movie The Exorcist was most inspired by Roland doe, which is a synonym for that. It's not his real name. Yeah. I had it written down right there next to it. All other pseudonym that he goes, by is Robbie Manheim. Who's a 14 year old boy who was an alleged victim of demonic possession. Here's the backstory, just to Professor. Ravi was an old,
00:38:21 A child and he depended on adults is playmate. So mostly he preferred his aunt. Harriet, who was the spiritualists spiritualism was quite big in the United States and introduce a role into the Ouija board at Harriet's. Death had a huge impact on Roland, and it was believed that role and attempted contact with Aunt, Harriet, using the Ouija board, since she had introduced it to him to it and like to use that soon after she passed away, the family started to experience strange noises, including scratching sounds coming from the floors and the walls of his room. Water dripping, inexplicably from pipes in the walls, furniture moving on its own random objects flying or levitating all in relation to when ruling was nearby Roland. Also started to act weird and he became more withdrawn. Random scratches appear. Don him bruises and welts started to appear all over his body. After exhausting doctors and psychiatrist. Roland family. Turn to their Lutheran, Pastor for help.
00:39:21 Luther miles Shoals. Who had an infant priest named Luther? Yes, or I don't know if that's what they call them. Father's, I don't know. So maybe his name was Luther Lutheran priests Pastor. Okay. So his name is Luther Shepherd. I don't like that. But Saul's arranged for the boy to spend the night at his own at his place in order to observe him. That's just a red flag to me. I would not have done that but shawls claims. Yes. He also witness objects moving so recommends that Robbie's parents see a Catholic priest. They probably should have just done that in the first place. And Robbie, then undergoes lots of exorcisms like a lot, when was conducted in 1949, by Edward Hughes.
00:40:21 Roman Catholic priest conducted at Georgetown University Hospital, which is a Jesuit institution. Hughes was injured. When the boy broke out of his restraints and he had broken a bed. Bring off the mattress and used it as a weapon splashing, the priests arm, which probably stop the exorcism, and there's no mention of whether Edward was there. We could only assume he was outside or inside sketching you so he could gain access shortly. After the scratches appeared on the boy one of which said Lewis so obviously the demon wanted them to go to St. Louis. So the family then travels to St. Louis. Where the family member contacted their professor at st. Louis University, who then spoke with William S bodoran who were apparently both priests.
00:41:21 And they attempted to exercise Roland over a period of three weeks. I'm still not sure why they took that as they should go to St. Louis, but they did. I don't know, right? At least. Apparently. It wasn't the last name Lewis know. Okay, that's good. Her family had nothing to do with this damn. Well, both of these dude priest visited rolling in this relative's home. That was in St. Louis, that started the chain of contacts where they observe him shaking in bed and objects flying about. And the boys speaking in a guttural voice. He also role in being he had an aversion to anything sacred the priests also witnessed an Executor on Ronald's. What's his name again? That is named Rowland. Okay. I just wrote it wrong or is that the demon?
00:42:21 The demon Ronald for convenience is chest, which they believe signified. The number 10, some of the stuff. I'm just like what you guys didn't send them to another town. They're already here. Now. I would have thought was that x marks the spot and they there might be treasure, super messed up. I do apologize for that. But we do need to make light of the situation, just for entertaining that. Sorry, that's fine. Obviously, meant 10 and there were 10, demons, possessing Roland, the two priests. Also notice to pack a demon named Lewis was in the side. The boy. I don't know why they didn't think.
00:43:21 I don't know why they think an ex means he has 10 Demons Inside of him. I mean, I don't know. They have some pretty deep thinkers on them. So two priests also noticed a pattern. He was normal by day and Demon By Night presenting strange Behavior, such as screaming and wild Oprah's, they were then granted permission for another exorcism and they actually continue to try and exorcise him every night for a while, eventually this reaches, and unhealthy new level when Ronald Roland. What one is it again? Is the child Roland. Yeah. Ikea restaurant and Roland urinates all over his bed. And Chris's at the priest. That was it. They take him to the Alexian Brothers Hospital in South St. Louis, Missouri, in case we didn't know that this is not April 19th. And before this, this is not April 19th.
00:44:21 I feel like it wasn't. My notes are getting out of control. Another priest Walter Halloran was called the psychiatric wing of the hospital where he was asked to assist the priests and they were all okay. For the exorcism along with William Van drew a Jesuit. Priest. I've lot of different priests were in attendance for the 3rd coming from all over the place. Roland awakes two, seizures and yells at the priest, that Satan will always be with him during the exorcism Walter claim that the word evil and he'll appeared in various marks on the boy's body and the boys mattress began to shake during the Litany of the Saints portion of the ritual, whatever that means,. But I didn't the listening portion, the listening of the Saints portion of the exorcism is where they say the power of the purse.
00:45:21 10 lb, the power of Christ, the power of the Virgin Mary, the power of saint xy's that compels you, there's more to it after that. But that's the beginning part. So I'm assuming this is the charismatic part coming into play. Hear the priest shout at Satan. I don't know what they show but that's just what my research says that do. I do? It says right here. They say this. I don't know why. I just said that Michael would Battle Hymn for Roland's do all. It says Ronald again. Several minutes later rolling declares that he's gone. And I skipped over this part. We're just before he declares that he's gone. He breaks Walters knows. Anyhow, after this role and it says Roland then goes on to lead an ordinary life. And that's the end of the story behind The Exorcism.
00:46:21 Roland no, cuz I don't think anybody knows who he is now, but they never disclosed. This guy's name. But yeah, that's the story behind The Exorcism. I also did a little thing on notable exorcisms. What, I was really looking for when I said out on this discussion was to dig into modern-day exorcism by the church and sometimes as we find research, just takes you in another Direction. And I did go a little Lustre a tad. It will all make sense to you. After I get through my notable exorcisms in searching for modern-day exorcisms. I don't know if you found this when you were looking through and sifting through the information, there was a lot of articles about individuals who had died after exorcisms, or as a result of exorcism about how this may just be an affront to child abuse.
00:47:21 I guess we should add a little bit like there are concerns about priests, just being able to abused individuals on in the name of exorcism edition of mental health. I mean, not that exorcism isn't dark to begin with because it's about, you know, where darker Force essentially possessing, human essentially. It's like something that's inhuman. I think that's possessing a human. It comes from Satan's army, or Lucifer, or Beelzebub, depending on what you want to call them, but the ultimate Evil. So, no matter what you do, you're not going to do anything worse than them. And in fact, you're going to help the child. So you're doing good. No matter what exactly when it could be mental health, and you could even just see a movie, really. And if you take this as anything other than someone's possess. This is a pretty big thing that you're doing to somebody. When it's even something. That's just Mental Health.
00:48:21 What point you came in on like you imagined time, your kid down and that's something I forgot to mention. If you have rights of exorcism is they can be performed multiple times to actually get the exorcism to stay. Day-in-day-out tying a kid down and yelling at the more or less. I don't know what else they are doing cuz they're not this early reporting every time in some way or another. Even if you look and I'm not touching on this one at all. There's at least Michelle. And she eventually starve to death and she had something. I believe it was something a tumor or something in her brain and they thought it was an exorcism. So they were just putting her through brutal exorcisms. And she did end up dying, as a result of the exorcism. That was just a mention on that. I thought it got pretty dark and that's all I was Finding for, like, recent exorcisms, but looking for notable cases, I did.
00:49:21 Come across one that I couldn't just, like, not cover. It's pretty graphic story, but it's just like, I could not talk about this one. I haven't really heard about it and it's pretty well-known. I think in the United Kingdom, which is Michael Taylor and Michael Taylor was tailored for Taylor and it really wasn't. But I just wanted to say to you a lot and I just left in the rain outside this one. I can't remember if that's the name or not. Michael Taylor. They did mention it briefly. I think in one of them, they are, but they weren't, and it seems like a, like a tax write-off. Isn't this? The Enfield haunting? It did show up at one of The Conjuring. This one is mentioned really briefly in one of the conjurings and I did not know this was mentioned and it's like pretty I keep wanting to say epic, but I don't know.
00:50:21 I would use that because this one, I'm not sure how I haven't heard about it. Maybe you heard about it. If not, no, I have not done much research into but like I said, it is mentioned in one of The Conjuring movies. I never caught it. I've seen all of The Conjuring movies, but they said it did come up. This story takes place in ossett West Yorkshire where Michael Taylor worked as a butcher Michael and his wife, Christine had five kids in a dog. Michael was known to go through bouts of depression due to a back injury. He had suffered. However, otherwise seems like a devoted family, man, and just overall happy and content individual. This is 1972-73 in and around that time. Do two, bouts of depression. Michael experienced a family friend, introduce Michael and his wife to a church group called the Christian Fellowship group, and up until this point, the family had never shown any real Devotion to the church.
00:51:20 Community. They lived in was barely churchy and like religious but they never really went to any of the services or anything. So it appeared as if this helps with Michael's depression and he became close with the leader of the group called Marie Robinson. Michael spends more and more time with Marie by attending, more meetings and Gatherings and becoming an active member of the congregation. I mean, it starts to get a little uncomfortable when they start spending an inappropriate amount of time together and we're joining congregations and both would use the power of God to exercise. People up their sin and they would speak in tongues with all the exorcisms and religious gatherings. Michael had taken an avid interest, and obviously his home, life began to shift, Michael began, spending less, and less time at home and was described as being, extremely irritable and argumentative, which is a complete 180 from prior to joining this culture or religion, or whatever it.
00:52:20 Does he seem to have gotten involved in? It? Certainly seemed to have been more coltish than anyting, his beliefs became increasingly more bizarre, and his behavior became erratic. It was thought that this group he was in, was having a very negative impact on him. His wife, Christine become suspicious of this much younger woman. Michael is spending basically all his time with. So, she decides it would be best to publicly accuse Michael and Maria of having sexual relationships at one of the religious meetings, which really makes Michael go downhill after this when he reports an evil influence cast a shadow over him not going anywhere good from here. So he takes us out of Robinson verbally and physically attacked her to which he is restrained by some churchgoers. And he says he proclaims to have no memory of this Robinson is quoted as saying this is suddenly glanced at Mike and his whole features changed.
00:53:20 He looked almost be steel. He kept looking at me and there was a really wild looking his eyes. I started screaming at him out of fear. I started speaking in tongues. Mike also screamed at me and times, I was on the verge of death, and I seem to come to my senses. I knew that only the name of Jesus would save me. And I just started saying over and over again. Jesus, when Chris and brackets, Christine heard me calling on the name of Jesus. She started saying it too. And I believe firmly that it was only by calling on his name. That I was not killed and quotation Church, forgave him the next day. However, it did capture the attention of a couple local ministers thinking that he may be under demonic forces, an exorcism takes place, October 5th to 6th, 1974 My Father, Peter Benson, and Reverend Raymond Smith at the st. Tim's Church in Barnsley in front of his Christian group, which lasted 78 hour.
00:54:20 I just wanted to say is it's Ames. It might be Thames, t, h a m, s. It might very well could because I was going the other guy runs throughout the night. The exorcism included, shoving, a crucifix, and Michael's mouth burning, Michael Zone, crucifix dousing him, and holy water. All the while. Michael went into convulsions. He was growling snapping. And anyone who came near him spitting biting to which he was tied to the floor. The priest figured there was roughly approximately 40. Damon's representing incest, bestiality lewdness, etc. Etc. And anyhow, the priests were too tired after pulling an all-nighter exorcism. So they called it a night to get some rest. However, they said they left behind three demons. They actually say demons because we're not Aleister Crowley.
00:55:20 At least three can stay for now. We'll get them later. Yeah, that's that's what they did. Their like. We're just going to take a little nap. And we're going to come back for the three demons. We left behind specifically say they left. Insanity, anger and murder. Yeah, so they were yet to be removed, but they were just going to have a snack drink, some milk and come come back after an app to get those lesser demon. Girl. We had to do show-and-tell as poor as they are going out, like they needed to go. Run that energy off. She goes to sleep. Like we're all going to go to sleep. Take some me time, and come back and get those. So, this is where like brace yourself about an hour later. Police received calls of a naked man wandering the street covered in red paint to which the police quickly respond to find. Michael covered in blood head to toe, saying it's the blood of Satan. Another police officer had responded to the Taylor house to complaints.
00:56:20 The commotion, the police officers described, the most disturbing scene. They had ever encountered where Michael had murdered his wife, Christine and their dog and which he used his bare hands to save, most of the Gory details. I'm going to go into it a little bit because I've literally and all the True Crime I've heard of listen to never heard this. Just your discretion, beware here. Skip for it. A couple minutes. If you don't want to hear this, you want to be spared the details, I specifically tame this down a little bit from the article that I read. It came from a newspaper article. They say that there are many body parts removed and left. The bodies were unrecognizable. He tear it out with his hands eyes tongue body. Limbs of the dog and Christine Michael was taken into police custody and was quoted as saying it was a long night. They danced around me and burned my cross because that was tainted with the eve.
00:57:20 They had me in the church all night. Look at my hands. I was banging on the floor. The power was in me. I couldn't get rid of it. And neither, could they, they were too late. I was compelled by a force within me to destroy everything living within the house. So he claims, he did. Not remember the incident. However, he does say, quote again released. I am released. It is done the evil in her. Has to be destroyed and quote. So he was charged with the murder of his wife. And this is why I wanted to cover this. First of all, this is a newspapers and everything and it's a pretty intense exorcism case. I think you'll find this next part. Super interesting to he was charged with the murder of his wife and the trial began in March 1975. Where Barrister for the prosecution. Mr. Jeffrey Baker Q, see that the evidence they were about to hear. Quotations will make it difficult to believe that you are not back in the Middle Ages.
00:58:20 I know you see stands for Queen's Council. That means he's actually a fairly prominent lawyer within the community. His wife and was under the control of evil Supernatural forces and that so was Christine. He also discredited the Christian Fellowship group, as well as the priest who carried out, the exorcism saying that it was more of a cult and influence him by using mind control and speeding into his existing mental issues. He was found not guilty of the murder of his wife by reason of insanity and was sent to Broadmoor Secour hospital where he remained for two years, then another 2 at Bradford, Royal infirmary before being released back into the world, and I don't want to leave you guys on a cliffhanger. I know you're wondering. Yes in 2005, Michael was in the headlines again after being arrested for a sexually harassing and underage girl to which he asked police. Am I going?
00:59:20 Broadmoor for murdering my wife. He was in prison for a week and began exhibiting the same strange Behavior as he did prior to murdering his wife. So they let him go and ordered him to psychiatric treatment. So, there's that story that I just couldn't not cover any thoughts. The whole idea of a murder charge requires, both the guilty act, the actress Reyes and the guilty mind somebody, you actually intended to do the action. When there are signs that this person is just not there. Particularly, when they are heinous crimes like that. It is very hard to prove the actual guilty mind and particularly that is a claim that you can have as well as insanity and Inns in a particularly like this where somebody had been undergoing exorcism rituals as well. Like it's really hard to say this person knew what they were doing when they committed these crimes.
01:00:20 Found on. Well, yeah, he really was. So, that's weird murder break. And we will come back at some later point, or maybe you can just live with three of them in there. So I don't know because I saw so many coming up of exorcisms causing death and stuff like that. And you look at it. And if somebody is actually mentally unwell and you're doing this to them. Anyhow, now that we're done with Michael Taylor Taylor, it's time to lighten it up a bit. I was asked to find the most recent exorcisms done, which I've said already, instead of doing, like, the most recent, like an actual story of every sin exorcism or video. I decided to just take out the news headlines that I found within the last month. So you're there.
01:01:21 Parents pleads, not guilty to charges in Missouri. Girls exorcism. Death. Indiana priest semicolon. Pandemic has brought more exorcism calls. Here's another headline. Even Exorcist are now, working remotely, like that one. And another one exorcism in the lumber Isle police. Escort disorderly people from Home. Depot, Wisconsin, priest, who live stream? Exorcism aimed at rooting out voter fraud, leave, Diocese Catholic priests at Trump's January 6th, rally said he performed an exorcism on Congress. He's not an exorcist as with your couch.
01:02:03 There's some really good headlines on exorcism of Portland. San Francisco Archbishop perform exorcism following protests. I think these are where these new call for exorcista, coming from me, be there all going to be in San Francisco on an exorcism on Saturday, which would be October 15th 2020.
01:02:33 Saturday morning, we're looking into the future because this episodes in the future outside Saint Raphael Catholic Church in downtown San Rafael or a statue of St. Perro, Sarah with all the churches also known as Mission San Rafael Arcangel, the 20th of the California missions. The 20-minute ceremony led to Archbishop Salvatore cordileone of San Francisco.
01:03:01 Featured a lot of prayers, most of them in Latin, and some holy water sprinkled on the bushes and concrete detritus, where the statue had stood. They really are exercising. Everything. They can. This sacred site has been desecrated. So we know there is evil here. Cordelia said we're beginning the ritual effective against the devil because he doesn't like the language of the church. He said,
01:03:30 Language a 10-minute prayer that only a few in the crowd seemed too readily understand. But a program provided a hand retranslation proceeding with the prayers, referring to Seton in his followers. As a cursed dragon and all diabolical Legions and calling for his proud had to be crushed. Oh my view, gone Satan inventor and master of all fallacy enemy of the Salvation of men Place yourself before Jesus Christ. The Archbishop commanded. Now that is probably like, at least a 19 worked for say. Cuz man, if the US was exercise before October 2020, it sure is. Should still, is he here if you don't blame me, blame father, cordileone.
01:04:30 When you just read that I also might have not been speaking that girl at. Yeah, because he was not speaking Latin correctly. He was speaking it with an evil accent performed exorcism to cleanse protest site exorcism increasingly frequent including after u.s. Protest us priest exorcisms On The Rise as demons now hunt victims by text. Why? Okay, that was my last headline on there, but I do have something else. First of all, I also found a really cool form to request an exorcism. I have one too and mine is Chicago. I think. Hold on. Okay. I have the Washington DC. Diocese.
01:05:26 The Roman L me to Archdiocese of Washington, request an exorcism. You can phone them to you need to be within the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Washington for them to actually do anything. Unfortunately, you can request an exorcism from them. There is also an exorcism protocol for the Archdiocese of Toronto web page that I have and clearly Saskatchewan. Do we not have one? I don't even know what a dirt are. There is the Vancouver diocese. It has nothing on its website about exorcisms. So if we just go by the Toronto protocol, also, I really like these. These are my favorite things to do. So I thought I'd write a few of these down, which is popular Google searches that came up while I was
01:06:26 Researching. So I just took note of ones that popped up when I was like Exorcist. Google here are some popular Google searches for exorcisms Exorcist. Priest near me exercise near me. I need an exorcism exorcism words. Exorcism words Latin exorcism hotline phone. Number exorcism in Canada, exorcism church near me and how much does an exorcism cost? That's actually a good question. I never did find a cost. I think it was like $10,000, I would think so. They're priests. It would have to be at the same time. If you're looking at from astrally contractual point of view. Would it not be the demon agreeing to the price up front? But wouldn't it be like aren't they aren't doing the Lord's work. So do they make money?
01:07:26 Enough that I complain a lot that they're not taxed. That didn't come up in my research, like how much money does an exercise make you add that to the I guess it wasn't popular 35 to $50,000 is that on top of your normal priest wage? I don't know though. It says, extra credits of career. So I guess so so I guess it would be on top of that. So maybe they are making some decent coin. I'm going to read through the form on the Archdiocese of Washington on what is required to request an exorcism. You can find the org. If you search exorcism, there is a specific form for requesting an exorcism person. Seeking an exorcism from the Archdiocese, should follow the following protocol for Catholic or non-catholic residents reside.
01:08:26 In the Archdiocese of Washington DC. The first step is to request an appointment with his, or her local, Parish priest, or to contact of the Saint Michael Center for Spiritual renewal. The person will then be referred to the local Parish priest for those residing outside the Archdiocese of Washington. Please contact your local Catholic priests or local Catholic. Diocese in the word Chancery persistent. If you do not reside within the Archdiocese of Washington, we are unable to assist you and you may not receive a response. Please reach out to your local Catholic. Diocese. Thank you for understanding during the appointment. The priest will listen to the person's history, provide pastoral guidance and deliverance prayers after praying over the person. If the priests considers is appropriate, he or she is referred to the exorcism team of the Archdiocese. The person will be asked to fill out requisite form. As part of the screening process. The exorcism team will assess the situation.
01:09:26 And determine appropriate. Next steps to be followed confidentiality is assured throughout the process. Parents, seeking Ministry for a son or daughter under the age of 18. May start by making an appointment for their child with their local, Parish priest. And the above a line is the same during all appointments. At least one of the parents must be present while parents made his arm Ministry for children, over the age of 18. At that age, the son or daughter. Must take the initiative in their care and follow the above outline. They also do provide the procedure for minor exorcisms of a place. Those seeking the blessing or Exorcism of their home or business should contact their local Parish. Priest. That is what we can tell you about the Catholic exorcism ritual without being Catholic ourselves Catholic. Adjacent in a way, in a sense that we are both non-religious and known Catholic.
01:10:26 Thank you for listening through the ramblings of what I would consider. What? Agnostic it best apathy stick interpretation of how the Catholics have dealt with the baddies. I like that term better. Actually, that has it always been perfect. I would guarantee, you know, ya as it performed. Anything substantive and necessary in the modern-day. That is a great question. I don't know if we've answered modern-day. I mean they are exercising, like protest stuff. Currently a microcosm of that. Question of like, are they actually performing something or is it something that has fallen away? As we have actually explained away things such as mental health, but something for you to look at it, as you've listened to us, Ramble On as people who are outside of the church.
01:11:26 La Perla speaker day. Yes, we have always been outside the church for once. You step inside. They know things about you and I want your money. I only have one more. Is it one more episode to is next to Halloween episode more episodes with in October. Okay. We'll see you for another couple Halloween episodes to be spooky. Yeah. I'm ready by bring your seat belts.
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