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let's go head over to the doc we got feel good

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we got feel bad now with the same amount of bad

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news we got pretty sure this is bad feeling uncertain

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feeling like science which one feels the most

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built up at this time i don't know what's this

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one to be filed okay Let's do a 2B files. Yeah,

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let's do that. That's a real wild card. Yeah,

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it is. Let's just go for it. This one is postapocalypticmedia

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.com. So this one is written by Stephanie. The

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dark disturbing reason why Bigelow sold Skinwalker

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Ranch. September 2nd, 2023. I think it's still

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relevant. It's only two years, two and a half

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years old. Yeah. I think we're good. We've done

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further back. Yeah, exactly. Skinwalker Ranch

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is not only the source of mysterious phenomenon

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UFOs, but it's also been at the center of a heavily

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funded federal government investigation that's

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still classified to this day. I've never heard

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that before. Maybe I didn't read the second book,

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so I wouldn't know that. Brandon Fugel purchased

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the ranch in April 2016 and revealed in a recent

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interview that Robert Bigelow had a dark, disturbing

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reason for selling the ranch and stepping away

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from skinwalker research. Bigelow himself confirmed

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the rumors in a recent interview last month.

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Wait, was the rumor that it was for a dark reason

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and he just said yes? Probably. Let's see what

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Stephanie has to say. Fugel shared stories about

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the ranch during an August 2023 Malty Hour interview

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with The Sean Ryan Show on YouTube during the

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interview. Why does The Sean Ryan Show keep coming

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up? I have never heard of it. Where'd it come

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up before? Previously. It's somebody I'm building

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a script for keeps coming up on that show. That's

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a weird coincidence. Yeah. I always love it when

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things start showing up that you never heard

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of before. Like that guy with the unfiltered

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podcast, what was it, Gleisinger or something

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like that? Lindmeyer or something? I don't know.

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Well, maybe you'll find out once you do your

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research. Find out about Sean Ryan. It'll be

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a weird part of the episode, I'm sure. During

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the interview, he revealed how he acquired the

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ranch and why Robert Bigelow, the former owner,

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had decided to sell it. Around 1 .21 in the interview,

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Beagle shared that before acquiring Skinwalker

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Ranch, he had worked with a young tech mogul

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in 2009 to 2010 who had UFO encounters and thought

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he had discovered technology that could enable

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anti -gravity. Fugal devoted resources to ultimately

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debunking the claim. Through the experience,

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I developed relationships with a team of science

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advisors that unbeknownst to me were simultaneously

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advising an elusive billionaire out of Las Vegas

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named Robert Bigelow, he shared. After he ended

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the anti -gravity project in 2013, two of Fugal's

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science advisors approached and asked if he would

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like to meet with Bigelow about Skinwalker Ranch.

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Fiegel said he made sure the science advisors

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knew that he was a skeptic who just concluded

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a project where they had debunked core claims

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using scientific rigor. They were okay with that.

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So we flew to Las Vegas to meet with Bigelow.

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Bigelow's facility is the closest thing to a

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James Bond villain lair I've ever seen. I like

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that they say villain. Well, I think you have

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to. Like James Bond's lair's not like that. That's

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true. Yeah, but like you could - Does he even

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have a lair? Not in the James Bond universe,

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but you could say something else, not like a

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villain's lair. Like a Batcave, per se? Implying

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that he's - yeah, exactly. Implying that he's

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like, not a good billionaire. Well, Chelsea,

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those two words don't go together. Yeah. Like,

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I think that's the position of the podcast. Yeah,

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I do understand that, but Batman. Batman doesn't

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exist and - Yes he does. There's a very good

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argument out there that he's the whole reason

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that supervillains exist in that society. I'm

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curious as to why, but we only have so many times.

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He creates socioeconomic problems through the

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hoarding of his wealth that create the larceny

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and general villainy in the society of Gotham.

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Wow. I never thought about this about Batman

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before. And instead of, you know, funding social

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programs, he beats them up at night wearing a

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mask. Huh. I'm seeing Batman in a whole new light.

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Not that I ever really watch Batman. I do know

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of him, though. Fugal said that he no villain

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layer. He joked he joked. It's an incredible

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facility I mean huge buildings that house full

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-size space stations and space habitats They're

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doing the material science and the life safety

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testing and engineering the transaction for the

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ranch was completely private What the hell those

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two didn't seem to like lead to one another he

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was not why wouldn't it be private what like

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The only other option from that is the government

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buy. I didn't see them buying. Yeah, this is

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a weird. Is this an interview? Yeah, it's an

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interview. He was not putting the property up

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on the market for sale, Fugal clarified. This

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was a very private transaction, private dialogue.

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And I told him I would acquire the property as

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long as my identity would be kept confidential.

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But here we are doing this interview. I think

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what they're basically saying is there was no

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open house. Yeah, like it wasn't up for sale.

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No, the realtor wasn't sitting on it coming up

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with a game plan for like a month. Nobody's really

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kicking the tires. Robbie, can we have like,

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just do an open house every other weekend for

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a while? Yeah, we really have to work this one.

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I worked with legal counsel to structure the

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entities that would shield my identity. I mean,

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it's just getting weirder. They closed on the

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property April 2016. Okay, so seven years before

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this interview. Okay, so you had secrecy for

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a while at least. For a while at least. And now

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it's full disclosure. Fugel said he was surprised

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at the shape the ranch was in when he bought

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it. The septic system wasn't working, there were

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no fiber optic connectivity, and reports were

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simply transmitted by fax. For the first few

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months he worked with Thomas Winterton and Jim

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Morris to just build out the infrastructure.

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Fugel said that when he acquired the ranch he

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thought he would be finding prosaic explanations

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for all the mysterious phenomena. He was quickly

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proven wrong and later decided to no longer hide

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his identity as the ranch owner. Bigelow was

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interested in selling Skinwalker Ranch because

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he was moving on to other interests, including

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working with SpaceX Fugal shared. But he later

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learned that there is more to the billionaire's

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desire to leave the property behind. At around

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2 .17 into the video, Fugal elaborated on what

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he learned. Mr. Bigelow was actively engaged

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with growing his aerospace company and and He

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says and twice and and jumping into the private

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space race Fugal said and the ranch he did we

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don't know for sure Yeah to a degree it had faded

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at the time I was led to believe that it was

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simply because mr Bigelow was just buried very

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busy with getting his p modules and his space

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habitats up in orbit and ultimately on the moon

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of Mars which I believe is true, but there was

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more but also I've learned he ascribed negative

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events afflicting his family to really his ownership

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of the ranch, Pugel said. Mr. Bigelow blamed

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the ranch for dark disturbing events that happened

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in their lives, and it's not my story to tell.

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It's been told by others in the media and advisors,

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but owning the ranch was not a positive experience

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for him. When Fugal asked to get access to some

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of the data Bigelow had acquired while studying

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the property with the government, Bigelow said

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no. I just find it very odd that the paranormal

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or whatever you want to call high strangeness

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respects property rights that we created. Yeah.

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Because he's not saying that this happened while

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he was at the ranch. He's saying like his family

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was just generally afflicted with a curse of

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some kind due to owning it. Yep. You didn't know

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that? In fee simple ownership. Didn't you study

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that in law school? Yeah, how curses pass with

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land. Yep. It's supposed to naturally flow with

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the land. It's considered an attachment. Yeah.

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He said, while I'm selling the property on an

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as -is basis, I'm not willing to turn over any

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data, and apparently all the curses that go with

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it, Fugal recalled. Not that I just added that

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in, I can't tell you that quote. That was me.

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Not only because the ranch was part of a Pentagon

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-funded black budget program. But what if the

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curse was attached to the research? I feel like

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Bigelow didn't think this through. That's true.

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That's a really good point. But Bigelow might

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be a little bit of an idiot. So not only because

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the ranch was part of a Pentagon funded black

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budget program between 2007 and 2013, but he

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went on to say that he felt that he wanted to

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keep that private. And I agreed. I didn't push.

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I asked respectfully and I respected his response.

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That's fucking far enough on this. And I do believe

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the second Skinwalker book is called Skinwalker

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Ranch at the Pentagon or something. So I'm led

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to believe that it's mostly about that Pentagon

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funded black budget program However, I did not

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read it. So it's all hearsay. I haven't read

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it either. Is it even the same authors? I have

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no idea. I could not even guess at that. It might

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be - And I know there's a Skinwalker Ranch TV

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show, and it's a far swing from the actual, like,

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first book. It's almost like it's created its

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own franchise in the Heist Ranchers lore. Oh

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yeah, those paranormal shows are absolutely shit.

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Skinwalker Ranch, however, great book. Love that

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book. Never got into the TV show and never read

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the second book. So here we are at the end of

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the mini. I kind of feel like even if he - telling

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the story on the what Sean Ryan show it doesn't

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sound very real no it kind of sounds like I don't

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know Bigelow being a weird eccentric billionaire

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made some sort of weird illusion or comment that

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he like drew weird meaning from probably but

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hey you guys got 48 hours I'm not gonna go listen

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to it you guys go do it tell me what tell us

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go do it thanks and we do enough work bye yeah

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bye