From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome
to Journey to the Fringe, where we're probably
just a whole heap of cryptids in a trench coat.
or at least like we wish we were or something.
Anyhow, we are your podcast hosts, Taylor and
Chelsea, here today handling a retrotopical topic
in a weird way. It's a weird amalgamation of
words. But Chelsea, we've never actually discussed
this. If you could be a Bigfoot, would you be
a Bigfoot? Yes. And I'm also thinking right now
about how I wish I was just a bunch of cryptids
and a trench coat as well. I choose that one.
That wasn't my choice, but now you got me thinking
the juices are flowing. Not really, because I'm
just going with this. And I'm wondering if there
was like multiple entities within a trench coat
and it was seen multiple times that way, would
itself be one cryptid? Yes. Who would know though?
Maybe only the few blessed would know to the
people getting flashed by the cryptids in the
trench coat. Yeah. And, like, really only half
the people it was flashing that it was the multiple
cryptids in the trench coat, because half the
people would look away and discuss and not know
it was truly multiple cryptids. You're bracing
yourself for the trench coat coming open. And
how crazy would you sound if you went to Lon
Strickler and you were like, I got this story
from you and it's fucking weird. You're going
to love it. I was in the forest one night and
I saw this black figure come out to me and he
opened the trench coat and I thought that I was
gonna see a wiener but what I saw was one of
them was wiener shaped yeah it was the loveland
frog freaking bigfoot the ninja all of them in
the trench coat like how do you even explain
that and then it flew away with the Mothman's
wings yep Okay, so, Chelsea, this is completely
not cryptid related, so for those of you that
were able to stick through this... Why are you
asking me about being a Bigfoot? It's a great
question, I should have thought it through better,
but that's just, you get the role you get. The
topic today is somewhat a two -parter, but really
just one topic in the sense that a Michael Salla
episode was really a Stargate episode. This is
the Project Looking Glass episode. I thought
you're gonna do Michael Salla. Well, funny you
should say that. You wait till the end here.
Because I think we did Michael Saller. Was that
part of a Stargate episode? It's really hard
to say, and we also did say we're coming back
to Michael Salla at one point. Okay. Go on, what
are we talking about? We are talking about Project
Looking Glass. Chelsea, have you ever heard of
this project? Yes. Okay, what do you know about
it? Nothing. Now that you say that, I can't remember
off the top of my head. Okay, fair enough. And
it does mean different things to different people.
So basically what I've done is I've traced it
back as far as I can to the original source.
We're going to read what the original source
actually says Project Looking Glass is, and we're
going to see what happens to that story from
there. Yes. I was able to find just kind of like
a general idea of what Project Looking Glass
is. Just a general idea, hey? I just wanted like
a Wikipedia, but it's not on Wikipedia obviously,
but like a general what is this thing. Project
Looking Glass is basically technology for the
government to look forward into the future. The
primary purpose of Project Looking Glass was
to forecast potential future events and evaluate
the probabilities of various outcomes. There
was a device and they could use this to display
multiple possible futures which operate There
is basically one notable figure that this all
comes back to and this is a guy by the name of
Dan Burish. Doctor's in front of his name but
I really don't know whether or not we can actually
credit him to this. This does all sound very
familiar. Are people still talking about this
very much? Yes surprisingly and actually has
come up in a very popular podcast very recently
that's not like a conspiracy podcast. It's turning
into one but it's not on the face of it. Okay.
This all comes back to the early 2000s when Dan
Burrish came onto the scene, basically saying,
I have this story to tell. He talks to a guy
named Bill Hamilton, I believe. I need to check
that name really quick. There's too many Bills
in this story, so I have to check which Bill
we're talking about. Yep, Bill Hamilton. Bill
Hamilton gets Dan Burrish in touch with Project
Camelot. Oh, shit. And he tells his story to
Project Camelot. And this is where Project Looking
Glass starts out. And I was able to find a description
of everything that Dan tells Project Camelot
from Project Camelot's website as written by
Marcia McDowell, PhD, who ends up being basically
the exclusive person who gives the story after
Dan Burrish stops giving interviews. She basically
does press releases for him, and she's the only
one who speaks on his behalf after the mid -2000s.
And do we know who she is? We'll get to that
once I tell you the story. Okay. We're gonna
start off with this right Dan's experiences with
extraterrestrials and majestic 12 go back 20
years He was inducted into majestic in 1986 while
he was a student at UNLV hold on he was a part
of the majestic Oh, yeah Okay, okay, I don't
even know how to react to this, okay? Even before
he was at UNLV, he had a long and distinguished
history in microbiology working for many years
with the Los Angeles Microscopical Society and
studying with Dr. John Bunyan in England, so
Majestic knew he was gifted. Was he related to
Paul Bunyan? That's a great question, but he
was in England, so I doubt it. That might have
been like, ancestry since before the family split.
Okay. Yeah, I can get behind that. So probably
no awks. They offered him an opportunity to work
in Black Ops, in his specialty and become well
respected in special applications and the chance
to further his education into areas he'd only
dreamed about. So he said yes and found himself
being trained and groomed to work up at Area
51 on exotic biological materials. At that time,
Dan did not know that he was in fact being mentored
by one of the highest ranking members of Majestic
12, who felt, and still continues to feel, a
great affection and connection to Dan because
of the events surrounding Dan's abduction in
the early 1970s. While working on exotics, Dan,
by then Dr. Dan Crane, I should mention this,
his name is Dr. Dan Burrish. He also goes by
Dr. Dan Crane. And I think one of them is his
mom's maiden name, but Dan Crane is apparently
his real name. While working on exotics, Dan
learned the tissue he had been studying was in
fact extraterrestrial in nature. Dan found that
he was being given a surprising measure of leeway
while working within the facility. He was still
required to follow all the protocols, however
his badge, as we later learned, was keyed to
allow him access to multiple levels within the
laboratory complexes at both Area 51 and S4.
This permitted him a range of movement and access
to other projects rarely enjoyed by others working
in highly structured special application environments.
Dan became familiar with a project called Looking
Glass, which involved a back -engineered extraterrestrial
device originally designed to be a portal opening
mechanism for Stargate -type travel, which had
the capacity to bend time and space so that events
over the forward and rear event horizons could
be viewed. When paired up with the second device
using the settings, events could not only be
viewed but heard and more. was also being tested
for communication protocols and transportation
applications as recently as 2003 and 2004, before
being dismantled for safety measures as we enter
further into the highly energetic space in and
around the galactic plane. While being introduced
to these other projects, Dan began to work as
part of the Aquarius J -Rod team, which was tasked
with figuring out why the J -Rods, commonly called
greys, were suffering from a debilitating medical
condition that affected their nerves. Part of
this work involved taking physical tissue samples
from the J -Rod housed deep below S4 in a clean
sphere designed to support his atmospheric and
environmental needs. It soon became apparent
that these extraterrestrials were not all that
different from us. In fact, as communications
improved, it was learned that they are not so
much space travelers as time and space travelers,
using a small planet in the Gliese system as
a local base approximately 15 light years from
Earth, where they can stage further trips here.
Using Looking Glass technology, which might be
more properly called Stargate technology, they
traveled in time from a human future which is
real to them but only potential for us. Dan was
introduced into the protocol surrounding the
J -Rod by having him be part of the backup team.
while his supervisor Stephen would suit up and
go in to do the tissue sample removals. However,
the J -Rod began to reject Stephen and made demands
that Dan be allowed to suit up and enter the
clean sphere for the tissue samples instead.
This created some immediate problems in the team
structure as Dan was the newest member and not
nearly senior enough in time or experience for
such responsibility, but the J -Rod was insistent.
Dan was rapidly promoted within the team and
soon found himself being trained in the protocols
necessary for entering into the clean sphere
and working directly with the J -Rod. It was
later learned that the reason that the J -Rod
insisted on this change of personnel was because
he recognized Dan as one of the abducted children
on the craft he had been aboard that day back
in the early 1970s. It is always difficult to
explain this, since discussing this movement
through time as well as space is difficult. This
particular J -Rod had been traveling in the company
of a group of P -45s, a J -Rod group originating
approximately 45 ,000 years in the future, who
were doing the abduction sampling that day. In
the early 1970s, he then traveled back to 1953
on a different mission which ended in a crash
near Kingman, Arizona who was recovered from
that crash location and taken to S4 and housed
there as a result of the presence on the craft
when Dan was abducted and he felt a strong connection
to Dan. Are you following this jealousy? A little
bit. This was on Project Camelot, which I think
you said that it was. I do believe I am familiar
with the story now that you're going through
it. I think it's important for everybody to know
this story, though, just in case you ever hear
Project Looking Glass. And just to give you a
warning, we're going to keep steering away from
Project Looking Glass for a while in this story.
Dan eventually became accustomed to his new role,
but on one occasion, while he was working directly
with the J -Rod, there was a break in the protocol
and J -Rod took a step towards Dan. This was
still early enough in their working relationship
that it startled Dan, who backed up and ended
up catching his heel on a floor grate and falling
backwards. The J -Rod climbed up on top of him
and sat on his chest while taking this opportunity
to think deeply to Dan, sharing a great deal
of his people's history and his own personal
experiences with Dan. This was completely unprecedented
and prompted an emergency reaction among the
supportive teams. In the time it took to get
somebody else in the clean sphere and rescue
Dan, the J -Rod downloaded a vast amount of information
to Dan's mind. Dan was unconscious when he was
finally removed and spent, as I understand it,
several days in a coma. Cause he got too much
information. Yeah, just too much information
that J -Rod brought on top of him. I'm sorry,
J -Rod feels like a slur. It just does. It also
reminds me of J -Rock and it is a very little
known thing. It's not very well known thing that
humans can only handle so much information at
once or else it puts them into a coma. And actually
that's how the grays deal with us if we get too
close. Exactly. We're charging them. As J -Rod
found out, no. It's the equivalent of them soiling
their pants to a brown bear. I think that's what
you're supposed to do. I think so too. He learned
that here. He was maintained in their medical
facilities at S4 until he was well enough to
return to travel back to Area 51 and then to
Las Vegas. Since that time, there have been many
unsuccessful attempts to get Dan to share with
Majestic what the J -Rod shared with him during
that interaction. Dan has refused to say much,
but was inordinately interested in our space
program, among other things afterwards. What?
That doesn't even make sense. Why, of all things?
Like, he doesn't want to share anything. Won't
tell it. But he's like, but that space program...
Dan gathered tissue samples from J -Rod for about
two years, ending in 1996. The Q94 document,
leaked by Stephen M before his death, is an early
draft of a document that Dan and Stephen were
writing to go up to the cover committee concerning
their work with the King series tissue samples.
It's important for many reasons, including a
rare glimpse it gives into the way things were
done and how they were written up inside a Black
Ops project. In the years that followed, Dan
worked with Majestic as they needed him and maintained
a cover job in Las Vegas. One day, while looking
through images of Mars in the NSSDC, the NASA
gallery, Dan spotted something that looked like
another face on the Martian surface, in the area
called Inca City. During 1997 and 1998, Dan worked
with Marsha McDowell on a book called Eagles
Disobey, the case for Inca City Mars. Yeah, I've
been trying to find that book. Why does this
just feel like a whole bunch of randomly connected
things that have nothing to do with each other?
No one's ever talked about Project Looking Glass,
too. I'm just gonna accept it, okay? The fact
that he was writing this book and finding an
amazing number of anomalies in this previously
ignored region had many in Majestic sitting up
and taking notice. They again pressed him for
information about what the J -Rod shared with
him and whether it had anything to do with his
discoveries. Dan still refused to tell him anything.
Then NASA announced that they had discovered
evidence of life on a Martian meteorite, which
Dan reviewed and found suspiciously similar to
a small riker probe discovered by one of the
NASA panelists 30 years previously in Australia,
and immediately went on record challenging NASA's
announcement. As our work grew closer to publication
and became more volatile, the threat started.
It was a very difficult time as both Dan and
I were afraid for ourselves as well as our loved
ones, but we decided to push forward regardless
of the risk. Finally, the committee of the majority,
the body that had superseded Majestic 12 for
a time, ending at approximately 2002, utterly
frustrated with Dan's refusal to be stopped,
issue a demand that Dan stop his work on the
book. This is the Mars book too, this has nothing
to do with everything else we've talked about.
We later learned that they were afraid of how
close he was coming to issues concerning the
doctrine of convergent timeline paradox, the
problems that had been caused by the Jayrods
who were using their technology to travel back
in time and thereby creating overlaying time
anomalies. Of course, Dan refused. The book was
published and released in late 1998. Almost immediately,
the committee took action against Dan, causing
his PhD degree to be vacated. This was not all
that difficult for them since Majestic had brokered
the deal for his schooling to the PhD level in
the first place and they controlled the playing
field. The loss of this credential hit Dan so
hard that he suffered a heart attack and was
hospitalized. The j -rods. Those are extraterrestrials,
right? Yeah, they're greys. And sorry, I know
I should know this at this point. Why are we
calling them j -rods? I haven't actually mentioned
it yet. J -rod apparently is like an anglicized
abbreviation of 15 light years away. And apparently
it is a mixture of like Egyptian and Incan symbols
that make j -rod. That's just what it comes to.
Was not expecting that explanation. Okay, cuz
I'm just picturing Chelsea be careful. You might
be downloading too much Cuz I'm just picturing
like white trailer park boys that are rappers
Upon his recovery, Dan found himself seriously
on the outs with Majestic and the Committee of
the Majority. Angry than ever, Dan continued
to look for more anomalies on Mars, and we produced
two more small publications showing amazing finds
on the surface of Mars. By the time 99 came around,
the Committee of the Majority was determined
to do something about Dan's behavior. They couldn't
outright get rid of him, as he had heavy connections
with the upper echelons of Majestic, as well
as deep connections with the Jayrods who were
in - treaty negotiations with majestic and major
governmental bodies. Plus he also had familial
connections due to his marriage into a majestic
family line that reached all the way back to
the early 1940s and the Roswell incidents. So
the decision was taken to try to modify his memories
by rebelling against their authority, in essence
the entire period of time where he and I worked
on Mars issues, and wrote the book Eagles Disobey
the Case of Inca City Mars, and moved he and
his family to a new location with nude cover
jobs in a completely different environment. To
facilitate this, Dan was taken up north and underwent
a process involving experimental neuropeptids,
I do not know all the details. Afterwards he
was placed in Mississippi where he was supposed
to begin a new life. What nobody in the committee
of the majority had counted upon was the fact
that Dan's mind utterly rejected the conditioning
and soon thereafter he began to experience memory
breakthroughs. Fearing for his health under the
stress of these unpredicted results, Fearing
that they might have ruined one of their best
scientists, they decided to take steps to reverse
what they'd done. Dan was collected and taken
back into secure facilities and eventually returned
to Las Vegas, where the family had been reestablished,
to await his return. Thankfully, Dan recovered
from this and settled back into his life in Las
Vegas, concentrating on his research and personal
studies. As time moved on, Dan became deeply
involved in the study of the Voynich manuscript
and his personal research project called the
Lotus Protocol. He also became involved in the
T9 treaty negotiations through his majestic connections,
during which he was instrumental in getting the
number of treaties authorized abductions reduced
to zero. So we got him to think for that. Oh
yeah, I always wondered who did that. More recently,
he started researching the Sulpheggio frequencies
and this has grown into a book -length project
that he has received the kind of attention of
Dr. Len Horowitz and Dan Winter. What started
out as a small side project is gathering momentum
as we already have publishers asking about it.
We anticipate it's released toward the end of
2006 or early 2007. In late 2003, two things
happened. I found myself approached by Majestic
and Duck did so that I would stop being a thorn
in their side and offer the chance to work directly
with Dan to help him complete certain projects
that they felt were important. Why didn't they
just kill me? I learned after my induction that
my father was deeply involved as a courier between
countries for the Majestic 12 while the creation
of the Committee of the Majority was being undertaken
in the early to mid -1960s. The other thing which
happened was that Dan once again saw J -Rod who
had become his friend at S4. The circumstances
are more thoroughly explained by Dan in his DVD,
but to say that in an utterly shocking move,
Dan helped the J -Rod use a Stargate device so
he could return home. Majestic personnel were
once again very upset with Dan over this abduction,
but there was nothing they could do. They don't
get into it, but apparently he smuggled this
J -Rod to Egypt to use a Stargate there to get
home. Quite the story that he left out and we're
still Nothing to do with Stargate. Then in the
fall of 2005, Dan was presented with orders for
him to speak openly and truthfully about his
experiences with J -Rod's, as well as his time
at Area 51 S4 and his history with Majestic.
It was a shocking decision taken by Majestic
12, and once his acceptance of their orders was
transmitted back, they stood in adjournment,
giving Dan a approximately one year to accomplish
his mission. Thors were also addressed to me
and others to protect him as he fulfilled his
orders. When we told our associates... Who's
telling the story? Who's me? That is... and it
switches between first person and third person,
Marcia McDowell. Oh, right. It was the woman
I asked who it was and you said just me. Yeah.
Okay. Right. I forgot about that. Okay. There's
a lot of moving parts. When we told our associates
of the situation, we immediately received offers
of help. In fact, we tried twice to work with
people who said all they wanted to do was help.
Unfortunately, each time within a matter of months,
their help changed into something very different.
We knew that the only way to complete our orders
within the timeframe was to take matters into
our own hands. This meant that I had to learn
how to edit and hope for the best. The DVD that
Dan and I have recently released was done in
fulfillment of these orders. The best technology
that Majestic can offer in the mid -2000s is
a DVD. Dan speaks to issues about the doctrine
of convergent timeline paradox and how the Stargate
looking glass technology impacts us all. It's
not just a form of new technology, it is something
that has the potential to cause irreparable harm
as we move through this critical time in our
history. We can either be faced with great catastrophe
or a renaissance for humanity depending upon
how we handle these next few years. Physically,
in terms of keeping this technology from proliferating,
and spiritually. The issue of the technological
proliferation has been handled and continues
to be contained by the armed forces of many great
nations working quietly together. The spiritual
issues are something which each of us can help
with. On the spiritual side, we are encouraging
everybody to concentrate on unity and to meditate
or pray for humanity to successfully move through
its upcoming period of crisis. If we go the wrong
way, we justify the J -Rod's history books, and
eventually humanity will become fractured as
a result, splitting off into the forerunners
of the J -Rods and the Orians. Dan's so named
for the final destination of each of these groups
of humanity. They don't quite mention this, but
it turns out from his studies, Jayrods were humans
in the future from like 52 ,000 years. Oh, they
left that part out. Oh, wait, never mind. Dan's
friend, a Jayrod who came back approximately
52 ,000 years in our future, had come back in
time not only to obtain help for his people's
illness, but to share information with us so
we could take the necessary steps to change our
future for the better. Sorry, I guess they don't,
but yeah, they're humans from 52 ,000 years in
the future. Okay. If you feel inspired to help,
please visit the section in this website where
you can download Unity flyers. I believe that
the Majestic 12 know that there are things Dan
learned from the J -Rogs during that event in
the Clean Sphere which needs to be shared with
the public so that we can make it through this
critical time in our history and emerge into
our future as a united humanity. I also know
that we can't possibly reach everybody, but I
am confident. What? Why is she saying that? They
got DVDs on their side. It's 2006, baby. Yeah,
technologies. But I am confident that our best
efforts will get this information into the hearts
and minds of those people who need it. Who can
use it and who will help make a difference. This
is what the words Tell the World really mean.
This is why we're doing all of this and coming
forward now to tell people the truth about what
Dan experienced and what he learned of the extraterrestrial
intelligences. First hand, this first DVD plus
the many hours of live and taped interviews Dan
has provided to media technically fulfill the
orders. Why would you use the word technically?
Dan having met the minimum requirements is now
free to do as he chooses with the rest of his
retirement. I, on the other hand, have so much
information and taped material left over that
I can clearly envision doing additional DVDs
about aspects of Dan's experiences that I didn't
have time to cover in the first DVD. I am also
in possession of all Dan's diaries covering over
20 years of his life plus hundreds of thousands
of images and videos from his research. As many
of you know Dan's health is not good. After this
almost year -long effort to fulfill his orders
he actually mentions that every time he speaks
how he might be dying. He suffered another seizure
and he is still very ill with the aftermath.
It caught us all by surprise and forced us to
put the brakes on the one -on -one telephone
chats Dan had started to do with interested people
from the community. Hopefully those will be able
to start again once he feels better. But everything
will depend on Dan's health. One way or another
all the promises that Dan and I have made about
disclosing information to the public will be
honored and the charitable contributions as outlined
by Dan will be made. One thing I do know is Dan
is a fighter. He has been through more hardship
than any 10 people I know put together and he
still keeps fighting. I think he should serve
as the inspiration to everybody. Never give up.
Stay true to yourself. Keep your honor intact,
do what you know is right even if it's inconvenient,
and keep pressing forward no matter what others
say. Written September 2006 by Marsha McShelsey,
what do you think of that story? My question
is why the hell would we be interested in Dan's
interviews, Dan's journals, Dan's anything, if
he never is gonna spill what the J -Rod told
them? I feel like that's the information we want
and he doesn't want to give that information.
Yeah. And like, he's not gonna tell Majestic.
He can't say it anywhere because it will get
back to Majestic no matter what. Exactly. You
can't tell anyone outside of that because, I
mean, Majestic's more secret than telling Project
Camelot, so what do we want with Dan? Nothing.
Dan is just constantly in the hospital for weird
shit. I find it kind of hilarious that he doesn't
really talk about Looking Glass all that much
either, but he is where we kind of point to to
get to it. It almost feels like he thought the
big story was going to be the J -Rod's, but like
you've heard of Project Looking Glass, Chelsea,
I don't think you've ever heard the term J -Rod
before. I think that I probably have, but I just
blocked it out. OK, yeah, because it's a bad
name. Here's the thing with these people. They
take one idea and they go, yeah, I'm going to
say that. I was a part of the Majestic 12 and
then they just expand outwards from there and
they're just building upon other people's piles
of bullshit. And how you can tell that this is
so old is because Corey Goode is not involved.
And so you can elaborate on other people's ideas
and they'll be like, yeah, see, it's true. But
Corey Goode may be like, that's my idea. You
can't fucking say that you are in the space program.
Yep. Only I can. Because I lied about it. Yeah,
exactly. And that's my fucking idea. Or sorry,
I will add about some, but I don't tell you which
so that I can sue you. So this is a little bit
nostalgic in that way as well, where there is
a million different things that we already know
are well -known lies within what they're talking
about. And who is this woman? Are you gonna tell
us? You can't find anything else about her. Your
only connection you'll ever find McDowell is
through Dan Burish. I can't find anything about
her and her only writing credit is a co -author
on that Mars book. So she's just essentially...
She might not be real. I don't know. What is
her stats or whatever you would call it that
she is telling, like working on his behalf? Nothing?
Just... She's got a PhD apparently, but I should
say I couldn't find anything about her outside
of like her writing for Nan Barish. I also can't
find any educational credentials with schools
for Nan Barish. But as he mentioned, Majestic
12 took it away. so very convenient and weird
that they can just alter school records yeah
so weird yeah if you want to go look there's
a bunch of his interviews on youtube i find him
to be a very odd guy he's kind of weird looking
kind of i don't know i just get weird vibes from
him you give him a 10 for vibes he's not the
oldest person in the ufo community to reference
project looking glass i'm going to share my screen
with you this bad boy right here that guy looks
so familiar who baubles are project looking glass
had to do with time any effects of time in the
craft i don't think we're not talking about making
a time machine like in science fiction but we're
talking about you know small distortions intentional
distortions of time and how that can be okay
you oh my god that guy that you just showed me
he comes yeah he's on my next episode Weird that
he came up first but Chelsea so that was when
Bob Lazar was on Joe Rogan he referenced it but
you notice it didn't quite have the same kind
of feel to it he was talking about very small
changes in time it's not a time machine it's
a distortion of time yeah for the flight of UFOs
and he actually talked about this in 1989 Could
you briefly describe project looking glass and
project sidekick for us project looking glass
dealt with the? Distortion the fact that there's
a time distortion essentially looking back in
time and by that I do not mean Looking back years
ago to see the wagon train days They're looking
for distortions that are milliseconds in time
and what what that was used for I I don't know
but that was just observing the time that The
time distortion time dilation phenomena the craft
and operation Oh, that's not what the other guy
said. I hate this video. What am I looking at?
There's no focus. It's jumping all over the place.
It's an interview, so they're showing a UFO related
topic. So yeah, like if you notice, like what
Bob Lazar is describing as what Project Looking
Glass is. is not, in any way, how Dan Burrish
described it. Bob Lazar is describing it as like
millisecond time dilations. Whereas this is like,
no, we're looking into the future to see different
futures and try to make one come out. So, like,
he's not the first person to talk about it, but
when you talk about Project Looking Glass, and
it being something to look in the future, Dan
Burrish is the first person to talk about it.
Bob Lazar goes back to 89 on his idea. Now there
is one other person that kind of comes on as
a whistleblower for Project Looking Glass, not
as a whistleblower of somebody involved with
it, but somebody in passing, and his name is
Bill Wood, or at least his alias is Bill Wood.
He comes on, again, Project Camelot, before this
episode even starts, they have to deal with the
controversy of Bill Wood. Chelsea, brace yourself
for what you're about to see because we're gonna
look at this episode. This makes me so excited.
So Bill Wood is in the top left, top right David
Wilcock, a young and scrappy David Wilcock in
2012. Why is he here? Because. Chelsea, just
before we get too far with Bill Wood in this,
whenever you see an interview or somebody talking
about Bill Wood, they'll say he has some controversy
in his past. And they are going to address the
controversies right off the bat, and they get
real awkward really fast. Basically, what I want
to say to everybody out there who's doubting,
you know, my credentials and what I did in the
military, all I can say is I'm completely fine
with that, because I don't have evidence that
there is a SEAL Team 9. I think it's pretty plausible
that people recognize that the Navy didn't just
forget the number 9 when they were making SEAL
teams and up until very recently SEAL Team 6
didn't exist either. So there's a lot about what
I did that is considered above top secret and
I'm sure everybody would agree that after 9 -11
those records were probably scrubbed clean from
ever existing. So that's what I have to say about
that. I would like to recognize that after my
interview, I did have the opportunity to talk
to David after that. And David and I have since
talked for many, many, many, many hours. That's
correct. absolutely thrilled to find out that
we have been working in tandem without ever knowing
it and that when we compared notes we were strangely
thrilled that what he's been doing with his work
and what I've been doing with my work were jiving
together now and we have since been able to get
a lot of work done. I guess I'll also say here
that I have plugged Bill into the insider's network
that I'm a part of which has expanded and I was
able to put him in touch with people who would
have eaten him for breakfast if he was fake and
they were very impressed. So he says he was part
of CLT 9 which doesn't exist. Yeah. And he says
he has no evidence that SEAL Team 9 exists. Okay.
Fair enough. Okay. And lastly, I have people,
obviously a lot of Navy SEALs, and there is a
rumor, you know, out there that's really going
full force as a result of actually some of those
probably Navy SEALs may be well -meaning as they
may be, who simply do not understand, well...
They don't even know that Osama bin Laden was
not killed by SEAL Team 6. He actually died many
years ago, and that's documented. But it's documented
more in the, if you would call it, the conspiracy
or so -called conspiracy areas that we... deal
with on a daily basis. But people do not understand
the relationship you had with this, if you want
to call it that, with the 16 -year -old girl.
Now somebody is writing to me that the girl was
12. Can you please address that? And tomorrow's
gonna be 11, and the day after that she'll be
eight. You know, these people don't show any
information. It's just talk. They don't show
any proof. They don't even show their faces.
So, you know, I don't care. Even I've taught
me that. Okay, but in the interview, basically
I just want the facts on the table in this live
stream so that we can get on with it, you know
what I'm saying? And the facts are that you had...
consensual sex with a 16 year old and you were
25 at the time that it was not against the law
where you were located which I understand was
I believe San Diego but clarify it. Let me stop
you there. Go right ahead. It has been since
pointed out to me that it may have been against
the law so I will amend my statement and say
this I was not tried in the state of California
even though this incident occurred in the state
of California. I was tried by the military, even
though proper protocol and procedure would say
that I should have been tried by the state of
California. You were tried two years after the
fact. The military went back two years to find
this incident and then charge you. Is that correct?
That's correct. And the incident occurred Long
before my court martial occurred. Okay. So at
this point, I think that we've covered the most
controversial areas that the SEAL teams out there,
the various Navy SEALs, et cetera, are concerned
about. Yes. It's the controversy that people
say that he is surrounded by. Statutory rape.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and they all just say
it's consensual. I've never heard an interview
with the other side of it I don't know if there
is such thing as consensual sex with a 16 year
old when there's a 25 year old involved, but
that's where it is There isn't yep. Anyhow it
goes on and David Wilcock finally takes over
at one point and he starts telling us how This
all lines up with what he's being told and Bill
Wood changes the story so that Basically Project
Looking Glass hit a brick wall where they couldn't
see forward in time past 2012, which meant something
big was going to happen. And that's, no matter
what, they couldn't see past this time. And that's
where David Wilcock comes in and Project Camelot,
they're like, yes, the 2012 phenomenon. We're
going to take it. It's perfect. So David Wilcock's
here because he's basically be the 2012 convergence
person. Yeah. How is he still around? Who the
frick knows? This by the way is Dan Burish. Oh
yeah, oh that's a creepy dude right there. Oh
yeah. And yep. Oh no, I don't want to listen
to her. Oh no, you have to because Candace Owens
is the reason we're actually talking about this
because guess what? She's on Team Project Looking
Glass as a thing. as of right now I just need
to look up I really dislike oh yeah she's an
awful horrible human being but she starts off
right here talking about why we gotta talk about
Project Looking Glass and it's because there's
a commercial yes because of this beautiful leather
belt it is an absolute fact that Charlie Kirk
thought that he was a time traveler. He told
me he was a time traveler repeatedly. I showed
you guys that text message exchange. I said to
him in response that I didn't feel the same way
and that I thought I was from another planet,
that I was an alien my entire life. Just do not
get it here. This planet is ghetto. That's how
I feel. I don't understand it. The rules don't
make sense. Is she just going off the rails?
Oh yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Anyways, this brings
us obviously to the CIA CIA's project Looking
Glass. Essentially, there were these whistleblowers
like I told you in the military. Yes. And I want
to remind you whistleblowers Dan Burish and Bill
Watt had a technology. That's it. Okay. They
stole. Of course. Please do not miss the part
that I keep explaining to you. These people are
not smarter than you. They're not they're just
more evil. They steal. They plunder and they
steal things and then they rewrite history and
pretend that they were geniuses. Anyways, they
have a knack for murder even a knack for theft
and this time just like a lot of times before
they stole a device from the ancient Sumerian
civilization that's located in modern modern
-day Iraq and Very advanced civilization. They're
obsessed also with the Egyptian civilization
as we discussed yesterday the Satanist kind of
taking and Reintroducing these things first.
They keep them to themselves. They hoard these
things and then they kind of give us so they
steal this piece of technology and they incorporate
it into a computer, and suddenly they're apparently
able to predict future outcomes. Just imagine
the deep states being able to look into a glass,
so to speak, the Sumerian culture was known for
their advancement in glass, and to see different
outcomes. I mean, the amount of power that you
would have, and then also fathom in your mind
that the people that our Satanists have this
power. But to bring this back to my earlier point
about all of these things that are happening
or have happened that are seemingly inexplicable,
it just lives inside of me that Charlie Kirk
knew he was going to die. How? How was he so
certain that he was going to die young? How is
that possible? How was he even able to describe
it as this tragic event? How did he know? How
was he certain, by the way, as he said in those
messages? that from the moment he signed onto
the dotted line to begin Turning Point USA, he
knew he was going to die. He knew his death was
going to related to Turning Point USA. That's
not a coincidence. Yeah. Absurd to be a coincidence,
not absurd. Project Looking Glass as the reason
for Charlie Kirk's assassination for he saw it.
Not absurd. We were all... And Chelsea, Michael
Salla, in fact, might have the best answer for
Dan Burrish. He had a whole essay. I'm taking
the conclusion for this. Please Michael Salla.
I would rather listen to Michael Salla than Candace
Owen. Oh, any day of the week. Dr. Michael Salla
wrote this in -depth article about Dan Burrish
and Dan's like this. In conclusion, the Burrish
case will undoubtedly continue to raise controversy
due to the polemical positions taken by supporters
and critics of his public disclosures. I don't
know, he likes his fancy words. Polemical. There
is a need to discern what is valuable in Bursch's
disclosure of classified technologies and to
separate it from the disinformation to decide
to distract and confuse researchers. This is
especially important when it comes to the topic
of Stargate technology and likelihood that such
technologies drive geopolitical events such as
91 and 2003 military interventions in Iraq. If
Stargate Technologies exists to the extent Burst
describes, and this is technology that he directly
experienced, he is important to consider his
testimony on its merits. The growing scientific
interest in the feasibility of traversable wormholes,
time travel, or Stargate Technology makes it
important to consider whistleblower sources from
the classified world describing the existence
of such technologies and their varying applications.
He thinks it's important to look at him, but
he's like, I can't actually tell if it's true
or not. Which is really weird for Salah to say.
I was just gonna say that. Because, like, his
whole thing is taken at face value and just run.
And all things, the only doctor in the story.
The only actual doctor. And yeah, it's a way
longer document from Michael Sallow on that one.
I would have played, like, what he said about
him, but I thought there's a lot of clips, so
I thought I could just do that and man, he's
a long -winded individual. And Chelsea, of course,
no episode would be complete of looking who has
spoken on this if we didn't go to this man right
here. I knew it! I didn't. And he's talking about
this in 2025. Yeah, he shaved his little mustache.
Look at him! He's got his hair combed over all
nice. He's showing up proper. Sorry, this is
Richard Doty. He has shaved his mustache. He
put on the thick glasses. He looks like freshly
showered. Oh, and sorry, before we get to this
part, I gotta play this because this annoys the
fuck out of me. So this is the intro for Richard
Doty. Mr. Richard Doty, very happy to have you
on sir as a master sergeant, a retired master
sergeant who served as a special agent with the
Air Force Office of Special Investigations also
known as AFOSI. So if you hear that acronym,
that's what it means today. where Rick specialized
in counterintelligence and the protection of
highly classified programs. During his tenure,
Mr. Doty was read into two special access programs,
known as SAPs, and partially read into another
12, granting him a very, very rare insight into
deeply protected operations involving UFOs and
non -human intelligence. Following his retirement,
Mr. Doty became a prominent, if not controversial,
figure in the UFO research community. step forward
as a whistleblower sharing first -hand knowledge
from his intelligence background and contributing
to influential work such as exempt from disclosure.
with Robert Collins. Doty's career and testimony
have been featured in numerous documentaries
and TV series, including the acclaimed The Mirage
Men, which explores disinformation campaigns.
He also appeared in the J .J. Abrams produced
Showtime docu -series UFO in 2020. This episode
has made me learn if somebody says controversial
in a description of somebody, you got to fucking
go look up the controversy because they will
not tell you what they're meaning by it. Yep.
Richie D just has a little bit of controversy
in his past. Just a little bit. Just a little
bit of controversy. Same with Bill What's -his
-face from uh... Oh, Bill Wood? Yeah, just a
little controversy in his past. Just a little
bit of controversy. I love how he's fidgeting
on his chair right now. This is an hour fifty,
Chelsea. He needs recess. So yeah, Richard Doty
has talked about this too, adding support to
the whole thing. Yeah, always bring in Doty to
bring in the credibility. Chelsea, I also need
to tell you that I did find this website called
the Burrish Archive, which is basically this
guy was so passionate about the damn Burr story
that he had to make a website about it. And so
passionate about it, in fact, he had to have
AI create podcast episodes of the - burish archive
for him what super weird very weird okay can
we play a little bit i've never heard an ai podcast
i don't think which is exactly why a methodical
you know how do you know this is ai because i've
had ai make me a podcast before it sounds exactly
like this so our mission today is to chart this
incredibly complex narrative chronologically
from his recruitment through his work at the
infamous s4 facility and i think most importantly
look at the corroborating evidence right the
pieces that have been brought forward it's got
a i feel right including the burish archive itself
yeah exactly we need to lay this story out piece
by piece yeah this guy's obsessed with it and
through it i actually learned but not assessed
enough to make his own fun guess i know Anyhow,
this ended up making me learn about the storyline
of Dan Burrish and how he's actually still alive
today, and in fact still maintains his own website,
Chelsea. It is eaglesdisobey .net. And it is
so freaking confusing. This is the Canada flag.
Waving Canada flag. Doesn't move in any way.
Is he Canadian? Don't think so. Okay. Next up,
Eagles Disobey. I guess he's just trying to get
on the good side of everybody. This is a stereotypical
UFO website, by the way. Well, it is, but there's
no ads. There's nothing to click on anywhere
at all. Did you highlight everything? I highlighted
everything. There's nothing. I believe Eagles
Disobey D &M's flagship website mean Dan and
Marsha's, and all projects are ongoing. Secret
squirrel on duty. Where did the squirrel come
from? I don't know. And I love that there's eagles
flying around Mars. Some type of NASA thing,
a lighthouse. I really hope that's not the secret
space program because we should be reporting
that to Corey Goode. Really fucking hope not.
I shouldn't say there's anything to click on.
There's one thing to click on. It's a YouTube
video for Everyone's Gone to the Moon by Jonathan
King. And yeah, it's copyrighted 2026 by Lady
Marsha Anne, PhD, which I have to assume is Marsha
McDowell, all rights reserved. That's the website.
Is this it? Yep, that's it. I don't know what
to think about that. Anyhow, every time you hear
Project Looking Glass, it goes back to those
two people. First guy's really weird and the
second one is a statutory rapist. And the statutory
rapist guy with connections to David Wilcock.
And SEAL Team 9. He came after yeah, yeah, he
came after and potentially you can trace it back
to Bob Lazar But it seems like a completely different
project looking glass that he's talking about
But Bob Lazar does tie it to MJ 12. Did he? Yeah,
he did Oh, and I should say also on here. They
do have MJ 12 is like, where is it? Does this
guy have anything good to say this guy who is
obsessed with AI? I was torn. I was actually
gonna read his summary of everything, but then
I was like, no, I got to read Marsha's Marsha's
is better Marsh's at least seems like it probably
wouldn't be AI. You never know about this somewhere
on this page He had the majestic 12 on here.
This is the guy who did it Brian Jackson He was
said he was a fan of Bill Hamilton's investigative
work Who's the first person to talk to Dan Burish?
But Bill Hamilton's also an exo -politics guy.
So that immediate was like oh, that's bad Did
Burish ever comment on the other statutory? Burish
never talked up about Bill Wood No, but they
never worked together or knew each other, so
I understand why. Okay, I mean, one could add
credence to the other, I guess. Yeah, sorry,
I was just trying to find - he had a Majestic
12 and it was like, everybody that was in Majestic
12 and Dick Cheney was like, MJ1. Why can I not
find that? Because you're trying to find it.
Yeah, that's a fair point. Anyhow, Chelsea, any
questions? Lots. That was a roller coaster of...
a lot of things. We saw everybody. You always
gotta love and we see it come up a lot where
things get stacked upon each other. People add
to stories and stuff like that that are starting
with something. People that are nice in the community
and don't copyright their work. Yeah, we've only
come up against the one that we know of so far.
I suspect there's another one who's done it too.
Maybe. It kind of unravels when the original
person with the original story kind of comes
forward and says that everything that I did was
disinformation and I was being actively fed disinformation
to disseminate it into the community. So everything
else kind of unravels from there. But then you
get all these people who just kind of want to
add to the story and make themselves a part of
it. I especially find with Dan's original story,
like the 2012 story does not make any sense because
like J -Rod comes from 52 ,000 years in the future
so why would we run into a hiccup at 2012? Doesn't
make any sense. And you're gonna see stuff like
that when it's made up. Yeah. Wow, that was a
roller coaster that I wasn't expecting and I
do definitely remember this from when I was younger
watching this I used to watch Project Cam a lot
all the time another one that we need to do an
episode on you're really looking for that I'm
looking hard. I can't find it Oh, go up, go up,
go up. I've watched this one. 2007. I watched
that one. I hope you're all the wiser now and
can kind of sniff out any time somebody mentions
Project Looking Glass. If not, at least it was
a fun story with a J -Rod. Oh, that was a fun
story. I've been Taylor, here with Chelsea. We
are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for
listening. We'll see you next week. Bye. camera
and audio stands, the pylons are around this
device, there's a gate and a ring. So, again,
here's the actual picture that he drew of this
stargate. Now, what you're seeing there, again,
is there's three pylons. Let's go back one more
just to... So you got these three pylons, okay?
And then you see what looks like gears around
them. Those gears are not physical things. They
are somehow energetic structures that you physically
see. But the point is you have a triangle of
them. There's a triangular area of these three
pylons. And then in between where you have the
two red disks there, you have one of these barrels
of water. And you have to zap it with electromagnetic
energy again. And then what does it do? It creates
this slate gray ring. You can't see anything
but the slate gray color, but yet when you walk
through it you will travel to another place.
And then you also notice there he has those little
canisters at the bottom. Those are argon gas
canisters because the whole technology requires
argon gas to work. Argon is very useful for what
we call charge clusters. We'll get into that
in another talk. So again, he says here area
containing three rings on a gyro driver device
I already showed you that before and then there's
the two red discs in between that apparently
helped to stabilize this and Then he said that
you you walk through an area of strange perception.
It's like you're hallucinating things get very
strange the other weird thing is I said before
is that the barrel can be tilted and So if you
have the barrel tilted upright like you see at
the top you get the looking glass configuration
where you can look into the future, but you can't
go through it. If you tilt the barrel relative
to Earth's gravitational field, you get this
slate gray ring, which you see more towards the
bottom, and then it works as a stargate. Now,
there's a whole lot of stuff that I could talk
about with this. This really, really blew me
away.