WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:14.759 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:17.440 to Journey to the Fringe. Finally getting to 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.000 what you've all been waiting for this whole time. 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:25.780 This is the top 10. These are the biggest assholes 00:00:25.780 --> 00:00:29.079 that I personally have seen as we've been going 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:30.899 through all the different episodes that we've 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:34.170 done. We had 48 in total and these are the top 00:00:34.170 --> 00:00:36.630 10. So I can understand. I've been waiting five 00:00:36.630 --> 00:00:39.770 years for this. This is our magnum opus. So it's 00:00:39.770 --> 00:00:41.750 all downhill from here. Anyhow, I hope you guys 00:00:41.750 --> 00:00:44.729 still stick around after this just because there's 00:00:44.729 --> 00:00:47.450 probably a good chance that people are just skipping 00:00:47.450 --> 00:00:50.130 to the top 10. I think we should go over the 00:00:50.130 --> 00:00:53.509 scoring system again. So we took every individual 00:00:53.509 --> 00:00:57.539 that we did an episode on or Corporate entity 00:00:57.539 --> 00:01:00.439 in some weird instances or cult entity. I guess 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.460 too. I should add that too. There's no rhyme 00:01:03.460 --> 00:01:05.840 or reason to it really because some are not All 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:08.200 the major assholes you're looking for are though 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.659 But I also would like to hear if if we have missed 00:01:11.659 --> 00:01:14.780 anybody in our rankings Please let us know who 00:01:14.780 --> 00:01:18.079 you think should be here, but we scored everybody 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.000 on an asshole scale out of 50 This has five different 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.180 categories, each scored out of 10. Deception 00:01:24.180 --> 00:01:27.819 and fabrication, which measures how much the 00:01:27.819 --> 00:01:30.459 person knowingly invents, falsifies, or manipulates 00:01:30.459 --> 00:01:35.459 evidence. Vibes, which is just how asshole the 00:01:35.459 --> 00:01:38.980 person seems from us reviewing their information. 00:01:40.099 --> 00:01:43.000 That was the most elegant way I've heard of you 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:48.670 putting it. Harm, we're assessing the degree 00:01:48.670 --> 00:01:50.950 of damage they cause, psychological, financial, 00:01:51.129 --> 00:01:55.109 social, or cultural. Grift, focusing on how shamelessly 00:01:55.109 --> 00:01:57.730 they monetize their claims. And legacy, where 00:01:57.730 --> 00:01:59.829 we're evaluating how lasting their influence 00:01:59.829 --> 00:02:02.930 is, whether their nonsense still shapes UFO lore 00:02:02.930 --> 00:02:07.170 or fringe culture today. And I think almost everybody 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:11.189 in my top 10 cracks what is 40 out of 50, the 00:02:11.189 --> 00:02:14.389 Hall of Shame, the highest level, the... the 00:02:14.389 --> 00:02:17.710 hall of fame for fringe topic assholes. Yes. 00:02:17.949 --> 00:02:20.990 Now I think we should also clarify at this point 00:02:20.990 --> 00:02:24.169 in the list that the top 10 is actually Taylor's 00:02:24.169 --> 00:02:27.300 top 10 list. And we're comparing the other ones 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:30.460 to Taylor's because I'm just putting together 00:02:30.460 --> 00:02:33.879 right now who is going to be in the top 10 and 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.620 I feel like there is one that I'm going to really 00:02:36.620 --> 00:02:39.439 disagree with at the very least because I can 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.319 see one that hasn't been touched yet. Okay. That 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.620 I do not believe fits in the top 10. And how 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:51.620 our scoring works too, I... Yeah. There's some... 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.400 There's a few in the top 10 I don't think would 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.620 naturally fit in the top 10, but you'll understand 00:02:57.620 --> 00:03:00.819 when we get to them how the scoring had to get 00:03:00.819 --> 00:03:05.169 there. So to start off the top 10 I have with 00:03:05.169 --> 00:03:07.710 a score of 39 so not quite that Hall of Fame 00:03:07.710 --> 00:03:11.050 level But still pretty damn high Billy Meyer 00:03:11.050 --> 00:03:16.389 still season 4 episode 59 61 and 63 Yeah, I didn't 00:03:16.389 --> 00:03:18.590 have him in the top 10, but he probably should 00:03:18.590 --> 00:03:21.490 be I have him ranked at 35 with a total score 00:03:21.490 --> 00:03:27.300 35 He's at 17 on mine. Okay Meyer is a swiss 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:29.759 contact, oh you know what I could go for? Some 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.860 like swiss cheese right now. Contactee famous 00:03:32.860 --> 00:03:36.400 for his photographs of alleged alien spacecraft 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.259 and prophecies about humanity's future. His achievement 00:03:40.259 --> 00:03:43.639 is becoming one of the most iconic contactees 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.639 with his story still circulating decades later. 00:03:46.900 --> 00:03:50.159 His asshole actions include staging fake photos, 00:03:50.300 --> 00:03:52.740 some traced to household objects and models. 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.620 and aggressively defending them as real, exploiting 00:03:56.620 --> 00:03:59.400 followers and monetizing his hoaxes through books 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:23.569 and strict copyright claims. And he did get more 00:04:23.569 --> 00:04:26.930 harm than the average UFO person, I think because 00:04:26.930 --> 00:04:29.670 of the whole cult side of his following with 00:04:29.670 --> 00:04:35.009 Beam. I can see it. See, I think our major difference 00:04:35.009 --> 00:04:41.149 to me is legacy because overall, I don't know 00:04:41.149 --> 00:04:44.509 that the lay person would know anything about 00:04:44.509 --> 00:04:49.829 him or be able to identify his teachings. potentially 00:04:49.829 --> 00:04:54.649 his photos his photos used to be fairly actually 00:04:54.649 --> 00:04:57.910 not mainstream but well -known I think and it's 00:04:57.910 --> 00:05:01.689 also the I want to believe photo for x -files 00:05:01.689 --> 00:05:04.910 potentially I put him fairly low though for that 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:07.509 I think there's other assholes on our list that 00:05:07.509 --> 00:05:10.389 have a much higher legacy than Billy Mayer and 00:05:10.389 --> 00:05:12.769 I think that's why he got so low that's fair 00:05:12.769 --> 00:05:16.009 and I do think the whole legacy thing just scored 00:05:16.009 --> 00:05:20.209 so high for me because of the cult aspect. So 00:05:20.209 --> 00:05:25.050 he does have a very zealot following with some 00:05:25.050 --> 00:05:28.769 people. Not a huge group, but the ones who do 00:05:28.769 --> 00:05:31.029 follow him are kind of crazy. And it's funny 00:05:31.029 --> 00:05:34.730 how I use legacy because on this one, for instance, 00:05:34.829 --> 00:05:37.370 I'm using it as would the lay person know, but 00:05:37.370 --> 00:05:39.970 on other ones I rank it differently for their 00:05:39.970 --> 00:05:44.779 legacy. It's really, you know, just like, throwing 00:05:44.779 --> 00:05:48.139 shit into the wind. Like, yeah, I don't know 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:49.939 if people actually know his name, but man, is 00:05:49.939 --> 00:05:53.860 he impactful. Yeah. He did have a pretty crazy 00:05:53.860 --> 00:05:55.899 story, though. And we actually have a really 00:05:55.899 --> 00:05:58.439 hard time remembering Bill Meyer's name, too. 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.220 Yeah, we do. But when you say it, I know exactly 00:06:02.220 --> 00:06:07.300 who he is. Yeah. So, yeah. legacy I could maybe 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:10.199 bump him up a little bit more but if I was to 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.579 put him in my own ranking of legacy I would score 00:06:13.579 --> 00:06:16.519 him higher because he is higher on my asshole 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:19.500 list but if I'm thinking as a whole I put him 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:23.160 lower. Fair enough. Copilot has him at 12th on 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.459 their list at 40. Meyers scores high in Deception 00:06:26.459 --> 00:06:29.560 and Legacy with his fabricated UFO photos in 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.000 Enduring Contact Delore. His grift - Oh, yeah, 00:06:33.139 --> 00:06:35.959 and sorry, that whole thing of the patah talking 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.639 through him, it's just, it's gold. I will always 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:41.680 love if we ever do episodes where we go back 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.560 to the patah stuff. Oh my god, his like, what 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.160 was it, like a three -day journey where he was 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.160 taking photos of like a literal fucking book? 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.660 and passing them as photos from a fucking spaceship 00:06:54.660 --> 00:06:59.019 is just off the hook insane. Anyhow, I did give 00:06:59.019 --> 00:07:01.860 him a tenon deception if you wanted to know. 00:07:03.740 --> 00:07:05.939 His grift is strong with books and followers, 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.600 and that was that whole thing too. Like you could 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.860 sign up to be like a person who like works for 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:13.139 the church, but you had to pay for it. That was 00:07:13.139 --> 00:07:16.500 super weird. Yeah, and he does like actually 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:19.740 live off of like collections. Donations and grifting, 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:22.959 yeah. His vibes are middling. He was more eccentric 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.079 than toxic He's held back by moderate harm since 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.579 his hoaxes misled but didn't destroy lives Yeah, 00:07:29.699 --> 00:07:32.579 I I would completely agree with that. Okay. Now 00:07:32.579 --> 00:07:34.459 I think you're gonna have this next person hire 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:38.720 Chelsea, but at number nine I have Prince Andrew 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:44.040 whose name we know Andrew Mont - Something. Mountain 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.399 Batten. I don't know what the - Mount Batten 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.759 - We know him as regular person Andy or British 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:55.160 Andy from season 5 episode 100 and many, many 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.519 French minis in between. Originally from like 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:04.259 so many minis, eventually one episode. With likely 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:08.980 many more minis in the middle. Where do I have 00:08:08.980 --> 00:08:13.600 him? I have him at... His total is 39, so he 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.839 rests at about 10 on my list actually, so he's 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:42.960 a tad lower. evading accountability. His legacy 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.419 is now defined less by royal service and more 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:47.379 by scandals, leaving him remembered as a symbol 00:08:47.379 --> 00:08:50.299 of abuse of power and disgrace within the monarchy. 00:08:50.419 --> 00:08:54.879 See the thing about regular person Andy is even 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.899 if you take Epstein out of the equation, it's 00:08:57.899 --> 00:09:00.779 just the well -knowingness of this and how he 00:09:00.779 --> 00:09:05.000 lied. It wouldn't change the person that he was. 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.539 Just due to the outrage of all of it, like really 00:09:08.539 --> 00:09:10.899 brought it to the forefront. But he still would 00:09:10.899 --> 00:09:13.539 have been a shitty person without Jeffrey Epstein. 00:09:13.700 --> 00:09:16.960 And he's still that spoiled. He's pretentious, 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:20.559 yeah. He's got that arrogance about him and like 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.340 inept pretentiousness. He doesn't seem to understand 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:27.779 life itself. I don't know if that's everybody 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:29.659 within the royal family, but you get those vibes 00:09:29.659 --> 00:09:32.750 from British Andy. Oh, absolutely, and I'm sure 00:09:32.750 --> 00:09:35.669 there's a lot more people like that within the 00:09:35.669 --> 00:09:38.330 royal family, and probably many more royal families. 00:09:38.769 --> 00:09:42.990 They're just probably not as inept as he is. 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:46.710 And just the sheer, what would you even label 00:09:46.710 --> 00:09:49.850 it as, cockiness of him to go and say he doesn't 00:09:49.850 --> 00:09:52.370 sweat? And just like - I think it's ignorance. 00:09:52.850 --> 00:09:56.269 Like, just, like - It is! People aren't going 00:09:56.269 --> 00:09:59.669 to believe you you're going to sweat in this 00:09:59.669 --> 00:10:04.070 interview you idiots And for him to just think 00:10:04.070 --> 00:10:06.230 I'm gonna say this and they're all just gonna 00:10:06.230 --> 00:10:10.889 accept this is just like it's next level Listen 00:10:10.889 --> 00:10:16.090 to what mother tells them That's exactly it. 00:10:16.330 --> 00:10:20.110 So I just he's a horrible person with or without 00:10:20.110 --> 00:10:23.230 like what has been going on and After reading 00:10:23.230 --> 00:10:26.669 the biography written about him. It's just he's 00:10:26.669 --> 00:10:29.649 a shitty person before he met Jeffrey Epstein 00:10:29.649 --> 00:10:32.590 It was just the circumstance that brought it 00:10:32.590 --> 00:10:35.990 to light that is cursing life It doesn't mean 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:38.210 that it wasn't always there and I am gonna say 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:41.330 like I had a hard time with one in particular 00:10:41.330 --> 00:10:44.389 category for him This is the lowest Number I 00:10:44.389 --> 00:10:47.870 gave anybody in the top 10 of any category. He 00:10:47.870 --> 00:10:52.090 got a four for grift It is because he was born 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:54.710 into sheer wealth and I just don't know how to 00:10:54.710 --> 00:10:58.909 categorize that with grift Okay, my categories 00:10:58.909 --> 00:11:01.450 kind of shift with who it is and here's a good 00:11:01.450 --> 00:11:03.950 example as well as the one that we just talked 00:11:03.950 --> 00:11:08.070 about Griff for me is in the words that he thinks 00:11:08.070 --> 00:11:10.669 that he's using that are going to fool everybody 00:11:10.990 --> 00:11:13.190 And they don't. It could also be the fact that 00:11:13.190 --> 00:11:15.529 like he had his mom wrapped around his finger. 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:19.860 it seemed like yes and exactly he shouldn't have 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:22.840 like he's just been shuffled around because no 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.000 one in the royal family wants to fucking deal 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.620 with them but here he is getting kicked out of 00:11:27.620 --> 00:11:30.580 his residence and he's like I still want my fucking 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:34.519 butler like not going to exist without a butler 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.700 I will be nude all times that will embarrass 00:11:37.700 --> 00:11:42.019 the family so to me the grift is still high it 00:11:42.019 --> 00:11:44.419 just needs to be looked a little bit different 00:11:44.419 --> 00:11:46.820 which Yeah, and that was the whole thing. Like, 00:11:47.019 --> 00:11:50.960 it's hard to categorize that with everybody else 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.179 who's making money off what they're doing, whereas 00:11:53.179 --> 00:11:56.039 he's like, he's exploiting his position of power, 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.539 so there's not inherently a grift. Well, to me 00:11:59.539 --> 00:12:01.799 it's a grift, but I know you're a little bit 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.580 more rigid on your categories, might have a flow, 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.059 but he got the lowest on mine in deception and 00:12:09.059 --> 00:12:12.360 fabrication of all things, because I think he... 00:12:12.429 --> 00:12:15.090 like the only one he's fooling is his fucking 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:21.309 self he's not fooling anybody else so i i think 00:12:21.309 --> 00:12:25.210 he's fairly like not deceptive in fabricating 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:27.389 other than i did give him a six in deception 00:12:27.389 --> 00:12:29.590 and fabrication so it's not like he excelled 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:32.570 in that yeah but he got a ten in vibes and he 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:35.309 got a ten in harm and a nine in legacy because 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:37.830 he has absolutely destroyed the british royal 00:12:37.830 --> 00:12:42.360 family Oh yeah, 100%. But not completely for 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.399 some weird reason. I think he could do better 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.679 in absolutely bringing them down. And they know 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:53.039 it. They know it. Yeah. Copilot has British Andy 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:57.759 at 15th on their list with a 40. Oh, and sorry, 00:12:57.899 --> 00:12:59.340 Chelsea, what did you score him? I can't remember 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:02.879 if you said. 39. No, hold on. Is that the right 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.279 guy? it's the right guy 39 okay and British Andy 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:10.340 with copilot is a solid 40 at 15th with an eight 00:13:10.340 --> 00:13:15.279 nine nine seven seven i didn't hear any six sevens 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.360 nope we don't do those around here do we nope 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:23.080 don't have any of those okay Chelsea i'm very 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.860 curious where you have this next one on my list 00:13:25.860 --> 00:13:29.840 okay this is at number eight and yeah i this 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.320 is my first 40 so this is like high level assholes 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.120 right now. This one's a little more of an extreme 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.080 good news international church from season three 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.960 episode 64. They're actually at I'm re -evaluating 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.440 my entire life choices right now for putting 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:49.919 them here. They're 15th on my list, and I do 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.720 not think they should be that low. This is the 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.259 Africa one, right? Yeah, this is the Kenyan. 00:13:55.279 --> 00:14:14.409 Oh, I should read it. Mass exploitation and direct 00:14:14.409 --> 00:14:17.490 harm leading to hundreds of deaths cementing 00:14:17.490 --> 00:14:20.269 it as one of the most tragic cult cases in history 00:14:20.269 --> 00:14:22.590 Yeah, and like at the time of that episode that 00:14:22.590 --> 00:14:26.269 we did it was the second largest mass suicide 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:30.850 on record behind only the Oh, Jim Jones. What's 00:14:30.850 --> 00:14:33.370 the name of his group? Heaven's Gate, right? 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:35.789 Heaven's Gate. Yeah. No, no, not Heaven's Gate. 00:14:35.789 --> 00:14:39.909 That one was the comet Anyhow, it's the second 00:14:39.909 --> 00:14:43.370 largest mass suicide by a group in history. Jonestown. 00:14:43.950 --> 00:14:47.690 Jonestown, yeah. And it happened, like, without 00:14:47.690 --> 00:14:52.049 many people ever hearing about it. I need to 00:14:52.049 --> 00:14:54.990 redeem myself right now. Where this downfall 00:14:54.990 --> 00:14:58.679 was getting it on my list here. is legacy. I 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.679 gave it low legacy because who's ever heard of 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.120 this? Fair, nobody remembers it. Everything else 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.419 is high. Yeah, and I gave it an 8 for deception 00:15:06.419 --> 00:15:08.399 and fabrication. It probably could have been 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.679 a little higher. 6 for vibes, I don't know why. 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.120 I find cults hard to give vibes to. 10 for harm. 00:15:15.500 --> 00:15:18.519 Like, you can't say anything below that, and 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.460 frankly it's kind of a little... I have a few 00:15:21.460 --> 00:15:23.860 other 10s in harm, and it's hard to say they're 00:15:23.860 --> 00:15:26.299 all at equal with this. If I had to say like 00:15:26.299 --> 00:15:29.019 a level of 10, this is the highest 10. Like, 00:15:29.259 --> 00:15:30.600 it's hundreds of people that die. Now that you're 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.120 saying that, I feel like all other categories 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.860 can't have harm at a 10. Yeah, I know. And I 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:40.480 didn't actually - A 9 for grift because that 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:43.179 guy made a ton of money off it, and I gave a 00:15:43.179 --> 00:15:47.340 7 for legacy just because it is like second biggest 00:15:47.340 --> 00:15:50.620 mass suicide ever. It is. And see, here's the 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:53.299 thing where we're differing again, is I'm thinking... 00:15:53.299 --> 00:15:55.600 Nobody remembers the name. Nobody knows about 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.340 it. And that's the sad thing about something 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:01.639 like this. Especially it's Africa. So here in 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:02.539 North America... Yeah, it's anything going on 00:16:02.539 --> 00:16:05.299 in Africa. There's like genocides going on in 00:16:05.299 --> 00:16:08.139 Sudan right now. Yeah, this one was super sad. 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.659 Yeah, I think this needs to be actually higher 00:16:11.659 --> 00:16:14.629 towards the top. definitely know that I'm looking 00:16:14.629 --> 00:16:17.990 at. But I do stand by the legacy, unfortunately, 00:16:18.429 --> 00:16:20.830 because I don't think anybody knows about it. 00:16:21.110 --> 00:16:24.350 So sadly, while I think it does deserve to be 00:16:24.350 --> 00:16:27.850 closer to the top, it doesn't because of that. 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:32.509 Legacy is a weird thing when we're talking about 00:16:32.509 --> 00:16:35.009 fringe things and like what kind of legacy are 00:16:35.009 --> 00:16:37.409 we talking about with this? The only thing it 00:16:37.409 --> 00:16:40.070 can be is will this be remembered? And I do think 00:16:40.070 --> 00:16:41.610 it'll be remembered just because it's on a top 00:16:41.610 --> 00:16:45.169 10 list. Yeah, that's true. I think we actually 00:16:45.169 --> 00:16:47.210 could use it. I'm gonna make a note here. I think 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.570 we could use an update on that one because it 00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:51.690 probably... That's a fair point. It's probably 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:54.350 a lot more settled at this point. Yeah, that 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:56.529 is one that I didn't need to listen to because 00:16:56.529 --> 00:16:59.980 I remember it pretty well. He was driving like 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:03.019 super nice cars and stuff. Oh yeah, he was loaded. 00:17:03.580 --> 00:17:05.579 And like all the money came from the church too. 00:17:06.380 --> 00:17:09.700 And like such, like good news international church. 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:12.480 Like maybe that's where the vibes didn't quite 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.619 hit for me because like when you just hear that 00:17:14.619 --> 00:17:17.200 you're not gonna say like oh yeah, second largest 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.859 mass suicide. Sounds like a cult. And there were 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:24.109 like mass graves weren't there? Yeah. And I believe 00:17:24.109 --> 00:17:26.450 they were finding people too who like were buried 00:17:26.450 --> 00:17:28.609 alive too. I would have to go back and listen 00:17:28.609 --> 00:17:31.490 to that. Oh god. Yeah. And Good News International 00:17:31.490 --> 00:17:34.089 Church for Copilot came in fourth overall with 00:17:34.089 --> 00:17:37.589 a 44. Only one point behind who came in first. 00:17:38.069 --> 00:17:41.289 Interesting. Nine for deception and fabrication, 00:17:41.930 --> 00:17:45.049 ten for vibes, ten for harm, eight for grift, 00:17:45.269 --> 00:17:48.920 seven for legacy. Okay. I mean that seems fitting 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.380 for where it is on the list. Yeah. I just didn't 00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:56.240 hit there with the numbers for me. Okay. Next 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.660 up on the list is the Fox Sisters. This is the 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:04.519 one. Number seven. Okay. Why do you have them 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.880 in the top 10? Let's talk about who they are, 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.660 I think. The Fox Sisters are credited with sparking 00:18:10.660 --> 00:18:12.640 the spiritualist movement of the 19th century 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.299 through their spirit -wrapping seances. Their 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:17.380 achievement was cultural. They helped launch 00:18:17.380 --> 00:18:20.319 a global fascination with mediumship and communication 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:23.240 with the dead. Their asshole moves were admitting 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.019 later in life that the raps were a hoax, revealing 00:18:26.019 --> 00:18:28.740 that they had exploited grief and curiosity for 00:18:28.740 --> 00:18:31.460 fame and profit. Despite this, their legacy endures 00:18:31.460 --> 00:18:34.839 as the foundation of modern spiritualism. And 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:39.079 I think that's why, at the end, they ended up 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.740 so high for me. And it's just, I didn't know 00:18:41.740 --> 00:18:44.900 where to dock marks for them. They are consistently 00:18:44.900 --> 00:18:47.480 high. And sorry, Fox Sisters Season 3 Episode 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:52.779 24. I have them at, their total's 33 in points 00:18:52.779 --> 00:18:55.519 for me. Okay, and we're not that far apart. I 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.089 got them at a 40. Okay, now they're definitely 00:18:59.089 --> 00:19:03.049 not in my top 10 they're at 20 to me Someone 00:19:03.049 --> 00:19:06.950 like HPB should be ranked much higher on the 00:19:06.950 --> 00:19:10.750 asshole list and while they're not Essentially 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:14.309 the same I would consider them the same category 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.200 with like the spiritualist movement because i 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.359 agree with you on the forefront of that and i 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.400 feel like she was much more of an asshole though 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.380 they were at the forefront of the movement as 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:29.599 well even more than hpb so that does stand for 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.180 something I just find that her deception and 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.299 fabrication runs while they're both at a 10. 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:40.339 I find her deception and fabrication runs much, 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.579 much, much deeper than theirs. Okay, and I have 00:19:44.579 --> 00:19:47.240 HPB and the Fox sisters at a nine for deception 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.700 and fabrication. I have a both of them. Okay. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.500 I actually they're tied a lot of the way. They 00:19:56.500 --> 00:19:59.650 both got sevens for harm. They both got eights 00:19:59.650 --> 00:20:03.470 for grift and HPB got an eight for legacy, whereas 00:20:03.470 --> 00:20:05.910 the Fox sisters got a nine. It's really just 00:20:05.910 --> 00:20:09.349 harm I gave them a higher score for. What? Why? 00:20:09.950 --> 00:20:13.490 I mean, that's a great question. I think they 00:20:13.490 --> 00:20:18.009 had more direct harm on people, like giving them 00:20:18.009 --> 00:20:21.980 hope for the. their loved ones coming back and 00:20:21.980 --> 00:20:24.440 they are so fundamental to the seance movement 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:27.900 and this entire thing coming about that I think 00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:30.460 they did a little more harm and I also didn't 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:33.319 know how I actually probably upgraded their marks 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.119 because they later in life sold their grift as 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.660 like oh that entire old life was a grift we're 00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:41.700 gonna make money off of telling everybody about 00:20:41.700 --> 00:20:45.980 it yeah so I think at the end of the day, I just 00:20:45.980 --> 00:20:48.000 told you my scores. I don't think you disagreed 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.660 with anything I said there. No, I don't really 00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:53.220 disagree, no. And they started the seance movement. 00:20:53.299 --> 00:20:55.779 Like, it's got to be up there, like, significantly 00:20:55.779 --> 00:21:00.559 for the legacy. No, you're right. And again, 00:21:00.859 --> 00:21:05.519 it's my thought in my head is who... HPB, I just 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.539 feel like her legacy is so much more grandiose 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:14.180 because you see it in literally everything. Whereas 00:21:14.180 --> 00:21:17.500 the Fox sisters like yes seance and it is a contain 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:21.279 grift. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but you still wouldn't 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.740 have people still do seances to use. Yeah, and 00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:28.630 you still wouldn't have that very popular moment 00:21:28.630 --> 00:21:31.829 in like a call history without the Fox sisters, 00:21:31.829 --> 00:21:36.150 so Maybe they do deserve to be higher But that 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:38.849 that's why I was shocked cuz I was like HPB should 00:21:38.849 --> 00:21:41.950 be so much higher than the Fox sisters But they 00:21:41.950 --> 00:21:44.049 are total and it is more intentional. I will 00:21:44.049 --> 00:21:47.430 agree with that Yeah, they are total assholes 00:21:47.430 --> 00:21:49.549 though. So I do agree with that So at this point 00:21:49.549 --> 00:21:51.890 we're splitting hairs on how big of an asshole 00:21:51.890 --> 00:21:55.890 we think each of them are But yes, they are total 00:21:55.890 --> 00:21:59.269 assholes, because they absolutely lied, said 00:21:59.269 --> 00:22:01.809 they were lying, then tried to profit off their 00:22:01.809 --> 00:22:05.690 lie, and started - Yeah, it's like a second level 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:10.630 grift. It's super, like, next level. Like, I 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:12.970 grifted, and then I grift off of the fact that 00:22:12.970 --> 00:22:15.740 I'm telling people about the grift. Yeah, but 00:22:15.740 --> 00:22:17.440 yeah, this is the one that I was saying when 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.079 we started. I was curious why this one hasn't 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.359 come up yet. They're in the top 10 and it's solely 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.339 on the fact that they're ranking over HPB. Okay. 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.460 And just for reference, I have them 20 on my 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:32.900 list and I have, I swear to God, if I go over 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:36.460 this and HPB is higher than them. Yeah, I have 00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:41.799 HPB at 13 and the Fox sisters are at 20. Okay. 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:47.400 Now Copilot has them at 18th with a 39 overall 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:50.380 legacy and deception of fabrication both being 00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:52.940 nines and they're sandwiching sevens all the 00:22:52.940 --> 00:22:55.740 way through the middle okay so kind of splitting 00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:58.440 hairs between us there yeah yeah oh yeah absolutely 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:04.299 i'm very curious where you have this next person 00:23:04.299 --> 00:23:09.119 chelsea at number six i have David Palaitis from 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:13.400 season four, episodes 34 and 36. Also where we 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:19.019 got our most controversial comments from. If 00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:21.380 we were to rank comments that one would be number 00:23:21.380 --> 00:23:24.599 one. We had some pretty pissed off, well it was 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:26.960 one pissed off person. One person who, actually 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.559 it might have been two. Definitely probably a 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.079 fan of David Palaitis looking for some missing 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:38.099 411 episodes. Politis is a former police officer 00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:41.859 turned author of the Missing 411 series documenting 00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:44.539 mysterious disappearances in national parks. 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.140 His achievement was creating a best -selling 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:49.900 brand that brought attention to unsolved cases. 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:54.099 His asshole factor lies in exploiting real tragedies 00:23:54.099 --> 00:23:57.420 by framing them as paranormal mysteries, monetizing 00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:59.880 grief through books, films, and conferences. 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:04.279 Yeah, and also not wanting to deal with any criticism 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:07.700 in the least. part or give any answers to anything 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:10.440 yeah except for like the new stuff where he says 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.640 it was a UFO i have him ranked at number four 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.779 on my list okay i have him overall at a 41 his 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:23.220 highest mark i gave was a 10 in vibes i never 00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.400 used to think this but now whenever i hear him 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.059 i get the worst vibes from him and especially 00:24:28.059 --> 00:24:31.740 hearing his story about his police career and 00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:35.119 how He did a bunch of sketchy things but was 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:40.059 forced out by coercing celebrities into signing 00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:44.579 autographs for him. Like the stupidest thing 00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:48.640 ever too. Yeah. but like there's that whole thing 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.039 where he was acting as a john and he was super 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:54.619 good at getting prostitutes arrested it was oh 00:24:54.619 --> 00:24:57.140 man if you haven't heard those episodes go listen 00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:00.180 to those they're wild yeah yeah we also have 00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:02.460 a lot of fun with it so don't mind the laughter 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:04.700 there will be laughter i don't know if you know 00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:09.210 us or not Yeah, uh, he's definitely a legendary 00:25:09.210 --> 00:25:12.190 asshole around these parts. Right from the beginning, 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:14.190 like this guy just didn't pick it up getting 00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:18.190 into the missing 411 stuff. He can't take criticism 00:25:18.190 --> 00:25:21.130 in the least bit about his work, present skewed 00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:23.970 information about the cases that he does, the 00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:26.750 grift is high, the deception and fabrication 00:25:26.750 --> 00:25:29.349 is high, as you all know by now, the vibes are 00:25:29.349 --> 00:25:32.710 high, the harm is on the higher side because 00:25:32.710 --> 00:25:35.029 of the families that he's taking advantage of. 00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:38.799 of their grieving families that he's taking advantage 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.859 of. His legacy to me, I didn't put him that high, 00:25:42.859 --> 00:25:46.400 but I would actually put him higher up because 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.980 it is a really, really popular subject. And I 00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:52.640 will admit myself that I like listening to them 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.420 because who doesn't like a mystery, even if he 00:25:55.420 --> 00:25:57.079 is not doing proper research. At the end of the 00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.559 day, he is a pretty good storyteller too. Which 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.279 is why he came on Coast to Coast so much and 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.140 why George Norrie loved having him on because 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.940 he didn't have to do anything Yeah, and George 00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:09.460 Norrie is the perfect interviewer for him because 00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:12.700 George Norrie does not fucking push at all And 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:14.859 yeah, I think we actually almost fully agree 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:17.440 because my lowest mark for him is legacy The 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.819 reason I gave him a low legacy, which is a seven 00:26:19.819 --> 00:26:23.160 so it's still not bad is because this entire 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.039 411 community is entirely reliant on David Politis. 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.720 If he were to disappear, it would die away fairly 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:34.079 quickly. Yeah, but I do think that it's super 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.480 popular. So I don't know that it would die away, 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.039 I think. Though it takes a certain, you know 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.880 what's missing from this asshole list? Charisma. 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:48.440 It takes a certain charisma to get to a point 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.059 to be able to tell the story to bring people 00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.460 in. So maybe it would die with them if it's not 00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:57.599 someone that can make a story sound good. It's 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.200 an awkward word to use here, but he hasn't groomed 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.259 somebody to take it over and he hasn't built 00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:05.940 up anybody else to like come into the 411 community. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.309 He can't do a missing 411 con. which I mean like 00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:11.970 rent out an event center and have like presenters. 00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:16.869 No, David Wilcock would be outside it, but he 00:27:16.869 --> 00:27:22.630 wouldn't be invited in. And the other tie with 00:27:22.630 --> 00:27:25.250 the asshole, like he has ties to other assholes, 00:27:25.309 --> 00:27:28.170 which is Dr. Malbel Ketchum, which he gets by. 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:31.170 And that's another strange part of him. He does 00:27:31.170 --> 00:27:33.670 this missing 411, but then he's also a Bigfoot 00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:36.049 guy. Yeah, and that's what I referenced in the 00:27:36.049 --> 00:27:39.069 last episode. This is my highest Bigfoot guy. 00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:43.289 Oh, that makes sense. I don't know if we technically 00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:46.609 call him that, but yeah, I mean, because he tried 00:27:46.609 --> 00:27:50.589 to tie everything to Bigfoot. And the Melba connection, 00:27:51.170 --> 00:27:53.529 I have him as my highest Bigfoot guy, but I also 00:27:53.529 --> 00:27:55.789 can see why you wouldn't consider him. His claim 00:27:55.789 --> 00:27:58.910 to fame is not Bigfoot. Yep. And I also just 00:27:58.910 --> 00:28:01.369 want to put right here, season four, episode 00:28:01.369 --> 00:28:05.450 34 and 36. Yes. Fox sisters, season three, episode 00:28:05.450 --> 00:28:07.609 24. We can just delete that if we did it. But 00:28:07.609 --> 00:28:11.650 if not, thank you for doing that. I don't think 00:28:11.650 --> 00:28:13.730 Copilot had him very high. No, they didn't have 00:28:13.730 --> 00:28:15.690 him high at all. They have him 24th on their 00:28:15.690 --> 00:28:19.369 list with a 36. Interesting. A seven, six, seven, 00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.109 eight, eight. And let's see. Six, seven. Hey, 00:28:22.109 --> 00:28:25.509 there it is. There is one. No coincidence here. 00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:29.630 Maybe that's why they scored him so low. Because 00:28:29.630 --> 00:28:34.670 six, seven. So, Pallaitis scores high in grift. 00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:37.849 I think so. Pallaitis scores high in grift and 00:28:37.849 --> 00:28:40.349 legacy with his missing 4 -in -1 brand. His deception 00:28:40.349 --> 00:28:43.829 is moderate. He implies mystery rather than fabricating 00:28:43.829 --> 00:28:47.029 outright. See, I think that is worse for deception. 00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:50.410 His vibes are middling, seen as opportunistic 00:28:50.410 --> 00:28:53.470 but not universally disliked. He's held back 00:28:53.470 --> 00:28:55.609 because his harm is indirect, exploiting grief 00:28:55.609 --> 00:28:59.289 but not causing cult -level damage. And that 00:28:59.289 --> 00:29:02.150 is true. He hasn't formed a cult either. Also, 00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:04.289 and just another aside with him, he doesn't sell 00:29:04.289 --> 00:29:06.490 his books on Amazon and they're just ridiculously 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:09.170 expensive to get, however it is that he was selling 00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:12.859 them. It's true, but they're like even more ridiculously 00:29:12.859 --> 00:29:15.660 high through Amazon, so I'm not sure why he doesn't 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.599 just fucking sell them on Amazon. I know. To 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.140 like take care of that, because he said it on 00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:23.359 every fucking thing, don't buy them through Amazon. 00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:25.000 Yeah, and that's the weird thing, like he has 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.640 to explain it in the interview, so you gotta 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.490 go, and you can't use Amazon. Just fucking sell 00:29:33.490 --> 00:29:36.589 them on Amazon. Everything is on Amazon these 00:29:36.589 --> 00:29:40.069 days. Okay Chelsea, at number five on my list 00:29:40.069 --> 00:29:45.829 I have the Falun Gong. Season four, episode six, 00:29:45.970 --> 00:29:49.150 eight, and ten. So the Falun Gong is a spiritual 00:29:49.150 --> 00:29:52.410 movement blending Qigong with apocalyptic teachings. 00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:55.190 Its achievement is building a global following 00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:58.289 and media presence. Its asshole factor lies in 00:29:58.289 --> 00:30:00.509 exploiting followers, spreading pseudoscience, 00:30:00.670 --> 00:30:02.950 and fostering cult -like loyalty that has caused 00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:06.869 family estrangement and health risks. And this 00:30:06.869 --> 00:30:09.329 is going to be a polarizing one because depending 00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:11.589 on like what are you getting your information 00:30:11.589 --> 00:30:14.910 from is going to greatly change how you view 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:18.619 this group. I put them at a 10 out of 10 for 00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:21.720 vibes. I'm sorry, I gave them a 42 overall. Where'd 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.799 they fall for you, Chelsea? 30. Which puts them? 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.279 14. Okay. Not too too far off. No, but yeah. 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.039 Not top 10 though. I know and this, I think the 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.259 big difference is they're a 10 out of 10 for 00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.720 grift. Like the fact that they, when you hear 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.900 the deceptive practices they use. Oh yeah, I 00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:39.980 got them 10 out of 10 for grift. Yeah. For Shen 00:30:39.980 --> 00:30:43.140 Yong, experienced China before communism. The 00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:46.380 fact that they owned the epoch times, the fact 00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:49.640 that so many people have died because of the 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.720 practices, and the whole deceptive story of why 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.240 they had to leave China, and still there is mystery 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.660 with that, is incredibly interesting. I think 00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:01.759 I scored them after Good News International Church 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.180 because I gave them an 8 for harm, and it's just 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:07.220 like, after you put a death cult at 10, it's 00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:11.119 hard to say Falun Gong is a 10. Yeah, that's 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.240 true though. So they got an 8. They got a 10 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.880 for vibes. They give me really creepy vibes, 00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:19.839 especially with Shen Yun. Yeah, it's Shen Yun 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.359 that does it for me. 8 out of 10 for deception 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.359 and fabrication, 6 out of 10 for legacy. Yeah, 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.960 I did the same. I don't know where we're differing. 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.859 I got 8, 10, 8, 10, 6. I have them at deception 00:31:33.859 --> 00:31:37.200 a little bit lower. I have them at a 6. Don't 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.140 know why though. I can't tell you the reasoning 00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:41.579 behind that. I think the reason I put their legacy 00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:44.579 at a six, despite the fact that they own so much, 00:31:44.779 --> 00:31:49.279 it is still reliant on one person. And if the 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.779 cult leader dies, I don't know if it would last. 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.740 Yeah, I have the same for legacy. So I think 00:31:56.740 --> 00:31:59.079 it's my deception and fabrication that I scored 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.099 a little lower on. But that's another one where 00:32:01.099 --> 00:32:03.500 I think about it. I'm not sure why I marked them 00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:07.269 so low on that because it's not like they're 00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.089 like incredibly honest about some of the things 00:32:10.089 --> 00:32:13.670 yeah and copilot gave them a 41 overall and put 00:32:13.670 --> 00:32:16.450 them a 10th on their list with eights across 00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:18.609 the board except in harm where they got a nine 00:32:18.609 --> 00:32:20.829 and yeah they definitely harm a lot of people 00:32:20.829 --> 00:32:22.309 and they have compounds where they're training 00:32:22.309 --> 00:32:25.569 their dancers but no there's not a lot of evidence 00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:28.589 that they've directly killed anybody but their 00:32:28.589 --> 00:32:31.359 their medical practices are pretty harmful Yeah, 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.180 and they hide a lot of stuff, so... Who knows? 00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:37.420 And yeah, we just don't quite... I don't think 00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:39.680 we'll ever fully know what damage they've done, 00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.220 and the fact that they're involved with basically 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:45.220 Trump at the highest of levels is very disturbing. 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:48.019 Wait, how? Oh, you'd have to go back and listen, 00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.619 but like, he's done speeches at a ton of their 00:32:50.619 --> 00:32:53.559 events. Really? Oh yeah. I mean, that doesn't 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.900 surprise me if they're funding him. Okay, I'm 00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:58.420 gonna go back to season four, episode six, eight, 00:32:58.420 --> 00:33:02.910 and ten. Why not seven? And nine. Those are the 00:33:02.910 --> 00:33:06.849 fringy minis. Oh, okay. Yeah. That makes sense 00:33:06.849 --> 00:33:09.230 when you say it that way. And sorry, I'll just 00:33:09.230 --> 00:33:11.329 take a quick look to see if it gave me a reason 00:33:11.329 --> 00:33:14.509 for why it put Falun Gong where it did. No, it 00:33:14.509 --> 00:33:16.269 looks like they didn't. That's okay, though. 00:33:16.309 --> 00:33:17.930 We'll just move on to the next one. Okay, Chelsea, 00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:21.150 at number four, and I don't think these guys 00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:23.970 are gonna be where they are for you, I have the 00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:27.619 Moonies from season three, episode 11. See, and 00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:30.460 the Moonies? I can't remember them at all. Let 00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:33.759 me read the Moonies. Founded by Sun Myung Moon, 00:33:34.339 --> 00:33:37.099 the church became one of the largest cult movements 00:33:37.099 --> 00:33:40.660 of the 20th century. Its achievement was global 00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:44.160 expansion and political influence. Its asshole 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.640 actions are industrial scale, coercive labor, 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.240 financial exploitation, arranged marriages and 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.740 lifelong harm to members, making it one of the 00:33:53.740 --> 00:33:57.779 worst offenders. Now, I do not remember the Moonies. 00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.259 I tried to get through the Japan episodes in 00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.740 our little break. I just did not have enough 00:34:03.740 --> 00:34:07.400 time. The Japan episodes are really in -depth 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.449 episodes. Lots of information in them what I 00:34:11.449 --> 00:34:14.150 listened to the moonies didn't come up at least 00:34:14.150 --> 00:34:17.030 not Explicitly to the fact that I knew there 00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:20.230 are the moonies. So to this day I'm still confused 00:34:20.230 --> 00:34:23.010 about the moonies who they are and what they 00:34:23.010 --> 00:34:25.829 do Even though we talk about them a lot and make 00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:30.409 reference to them. I'm very confused So they 00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:34.130 make a lot of money by recruiting people to the 00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:37.530 church and getting them to sign over their estate 00:34:37.530 --> 00:34:41.019 once they die They also marry people off in mass 00:34:41.019 --> 00:34:43.159 marriages that are super weird, but they have 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.219 huge grifts, and they... I gave them a 9 out 00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:49.280 of 10 just because I think the Falun Gong ends 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.219 up... They have more grift going on currently, 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:55.260 because the Unification Church is slowly getting 00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:58.699 destroyed, at least in Japan, because of the 00:34:58.699 --> 00:35:01.179 rural reason we did those episodes on them. Somebody 00:35:01.179 --> 00:35:04.619 assassinated Shinzo Abe, the previous Prime Minister 00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:09.519 of Japan, due to Shinzo Abe's ties. to the Moonies 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.159 and how they were funding his government for 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.199 a long time. The assassin's mother was recruited 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.460 and exploited by the Moonies and took every penny 00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:22.300 of their family's money. And he's like, I'm going 00:35:22.300 --> 00:35:25.380 to do something about it. He made a shotgun at 00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:28.239 home and he shot the former prime minister of 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.380 Japan. See, and that does sound vaguely familiar 00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:33.400 now. And I didn't get to that point in the Japan 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.019 episodes because there's just so much Japan in 00:35:36.019 --> 00:35:39.889 those episodes. Yeah. Total assholes and how 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:43.889 are they ranking for you for? Five top five their 00:35:43.889 --> 00:35:47.929 fourth. So top five. Yeah, and I could see it 00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:53.050 eight eight eight nine nine Yeah, and I do like 00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:54.550 this is the thing about taking an average and 00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:57.119 they got the exact same score it's just okay 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.179 they didn't get any tens whereas like the legacy 00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:03.599 of the Falun Gong got a six but like the fact 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.739 that your cult is associated with the death of 00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:07.900 a prime minister you get high legacy for that 00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:10.760 oh that's true could see that and i mean Falun 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.119 Gong has a Shen Yun but the Moonies took like 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:18.840 over houses and yeah and so yeah Anyhow, I didn't 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.599 go and relisten to that one, that one was all 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.980 based on memory, and I think we had a fairly 00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:25.579 recent - oh, and they do also own a newspaper 00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:27.440 too. That's the weird thing about cults that 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.280 we cover, they end up getting newspapers, they 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.699 own the Washington Times, not the Washington 00:36:31.699 --> 00:36:37.210 Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos. We did just 00:36:37.210 --> 00:36:40.429 do a mini with the moonies Yeah, about how the 00:36:40.429 --> 00:36:42.710 heiress to the moonies is best friends with like 00:36:42.710 --> 00:36:45.750 the first lady of Japan Yeah, previous first 00:36:45.750 --> 00:36:48.150 lady of Japan and they're like what I just like 00:36:48.150 --> 00:36:51.230 to give my friend money. I'm not bribing her 00:36:51.230 --> 00:36:57.329 And I do think Yes, the Moonies are number one 00:36:57.329 --> 00:37:00.909 on Copilot's list with a 45 overall. They got 00:37:00.909 --> 00:37:04.869 an 8, 9, 10, 9, 9. I am shocked at that one, 00:37:04.909 --> 00:37:07.969 actually. Do they have a reasoning? No, they 00:37:07.969 --> 00:37:13.269 do not. Okay. The one I wanted the most. Yeah. 00:37:13.989 --> 00:37:17.489 One sec, I'll ask really quick. They gave 8 out 00:37:17.489 --> 00:37:19.510 of 10 for deception, the movement was built on 00:37:19.510 --> 00:37:21.750 fabricated theology, claims of Moon's divine 00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:24.369 status. Oh yeah, and that's that super interesting 00:37:24.369 --> 00:37:26.449 thing, like he was in concentration camps in 00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:29.710 Korea, and like, he... There's some really weird 00:37:29.710 --> 00:37:32.289 Jesus vibes from this group, from what I remember. 00:37:32.619 --> 00:37:34.480 They have promises of salvation through mass 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.800 marriages. The deception is systemic. Followers 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.139 were told they were part of a world -saving mission 00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:41.179 while the leadership manipulated doctrine for 00:37:41.179 --> 00:37:44.340 control. Vibes, 9 out of 10, inside the community. 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.300 Vibes were toxic. Members were pressured into 00:37:46.300 --> 00:37:48.739 obedience. Marriages were arranged without consent 00:37:48.739 --> 00:37:51.360 and dissenters were ostracized. Moon himself 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.539 was seen as authoritarian and group's reputation 00:37:53.539 --> 00:37:55.960 in broader society was deeply negative. Harm, 00:37:56.059 --> 00:37:58.420 10 out of 10. Harm is extreme, families torn 00:37:58.420 --> 00:38:01.400 apart, financial ruin from donations, psychological 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.900 damage from indoctrination and exploitation of 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.400 vulnerable recruits. Grift, 9 out of 10. Church 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.980 aggressively monetized faith, extracting money 00:38:08.980 --> 00:38:11.880 through tithes, businesses, and political influence. 00:38:12.340 --> 00:38:14.679 And Legacy, 9. The Unification Church remains 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.880 infamous decades later, with its influence still 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.579 left in politics, business, and fringe religious 00:38:21.579 --> 00:38:24.340 movements. Its legacy is enduring both as a cautionary 00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:27.860 tale of a cult, exploiting, and as a continuing 00:38:27.860 --> 00:38:30.980 organization. Okay, fair enough. I'll accept 00:38:30.980 --> 00:38:34.320 it. It seems to remember it more than us. Yeah, 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.739 that's why I'm just gonna accept that. Okay, 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.670 at number three on this list, I have... The Warrens, 00:38:44.889 --> 00:38:48.489 season one, episode 23, and many references thrown 00:38:48.489 --> 00:38:52.110 out throughout our time with them. Yes, I have 00:38:52.110 --> 00:38:55.849 them in the top ten. I have them at nine, but 00:38:55.849 --> 00:38:59.590 how they came to be at nine, I'm not exactly 00:38:59.590 --> 00:39:04.090 sure. Well, I have them lower on harm. Oh, let's 00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:06.329 let's read about them. Okay, Ed and Lorraine 00:39:06.329 --> 00:39:08.909 Warren became famous as paranormal investigators 00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:11.619 inspiring the Conjuring films. Their achievement 00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:14.199 was building a brand around haunting and demonology, 00:39:14.300 --> 00:39:16.519 cementing themselves in pop culture. Their asshole 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:18.880 factors lie in fabricating evidence, exploiting 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.239 families' tragedies, and monetizing fear through 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.920 books, lectures, and the Recult Museum. I just, 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.400 there was nowhere really to take away marks for 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.380 them. I gave them 9 out of 10 for deception, 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.260 9 out of 10 for vibes, 7 out of 10 for harm, 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.380 9 out of 10 for grift, 10 out of 10 for legacy. 00:39:38.659 --> 00:39:41.409 Because like, Their name is money making in Hollywood. 00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:44.710 Yes. So they got a 45 over. So they got a 44 00:39:44.710 --> 00:39:47.630 overall. You know, I say 10 for everything, but 00:39:47.630 --> 00:39:50.269 the deception and fabrication is definitely a 00:39:50.269 --> 00:39:55.150 10. You would think that I didn't give them a 00:39:55.150 --> 00:39:59.130 10. I only gave three 10s in deception and fabrication 00:39:59.130 --> 00:40:01.530 overall, and they're not one of them. They got 00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:05.510 a nine though. Yeah, they're just, they're definitely 00:40:05.510 --> 00:40:08.369 top 10 material because they're just such big 00:40:08.369 --> 00:40:13.460 ass. Especially Ed. I think he was a bigger asshole 00:40:13.460 --> 00:40:15.539 than Lorraine. I think she just kind of followed 00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:19.500 along with him. And they just took everybody's 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:23.019 money. They did. And like anybody who was actually 00:40:23.019 --> 00:40:24.719 involved in these stories, they're left with 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.000 like trauma from it and no money. Despite the 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.820 fact that the Warrens are telling everybody that 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:32.530 yeah, they got their money, don't worry. the 00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:35.650 grift was a 15 with them and they would just 00:40:35.650 --> 00:40:38.090 show up where they weren't invited just to kind 00:40:38.090 --> 00:40:43.829 of get their name attached to shit and I told 00:40:43.829 --> 00:40:46.630 this was where are they from the Warrens or season 00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:50.090 one episode 23, so they were there early on They 00:40:50.090 --> 00:40:52.110 might have been one of the first assholes we 00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:54.210 did actually No, I don't think they were the 00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:55.949 first but they were up there because they were 00:40:55.949 --> 00:40:58.590 season one Yeah, it was right around the time 00:40:58.590 --> 00:41:02.610 that we were doing HPB HPB was episode 16. So 00:41:02.610 --> 00:41:05.869 like few months before that. Yeah, I think we 00:41:05.869 --> 00:41:09.679 did the Who else? Alistair Crowley came before 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.280 that and Did we get to Edgar Cayce before? No, 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.099 we didn't know because Edgar Cayce came with 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:19.760 Wilcox season two Yeah, and the Warrens I mean 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.619 the grift is high the asshole vibes are high 00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:27.219 the harm I don't have as high but they are definitely 00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:30.079 exploiting people for stories and not paying 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.019 them and like they inserted themselves in that 00:41:34.059 --> 00:41:37.559 that self -defense lawsuit that we covered at 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.039 halloween this year where they just put themselves 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.239 in there like yeah demons did it you you should 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.880 just run off that get that defense going so we 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:50.420 can write a novel on it legacy high i just remember 00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:53.019 from them ed like going up to people and being 00:41:53.019 --> 00:41:55.519 like your house is haunted i'm gonna draw it 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.860 and trying to sell people the drawing of them 00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:03.130 And like they just randomly show up like the 00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:07.510 haunted doll these different haunted houses Possessions 00:42:07.510 --> 00:42:09.969 they show up everywhere with completely just 00:42:09.969 --> 00:42:12.210 like we'll make this story up so everybody can 00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:15.389 make money off But it's really just us Co -pilot 00:42:15.389 --> 00:42:19.449 has put the Warrens at number 14 overall with 00:42:19.449 --> 00:42:23.130 a 40 and straight eights right across what overall 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:29.139 that is 14th overall with okay, okay I think 00:42:29.139 --> 00:42:31.480 they're definitely top 10 material co -pilot. 00:42:31.579 --> 00:42:35.440 Oh, yeah. The legacy is just so much with them. 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.579 Oh, yeah, it is. Legacy and grift. Like, there's 00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:40.260 not many people beating them in either of those 00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.739 categories. Yeah. Weirdly enough, though, I do 00:42:42.739 --> 00:42:45.780 think the Warrens have a bigger name outside 00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:48.860 of fringe communities due to Hollywood. Yes, 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.239 absolutely. They're probably of our list the 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.820 most... recognizable, I would go on to say yes 00:42:58.820 --> 00:43:01.619 he's probably the most recognizable actually 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.519 but outside of that they're probably the most 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:06.699 I'm thinking yeah yeah yeah I'm looking at the 00:43:06.699 --> 00:43:11.260 list really quick here maybe Tom DeLong but even 00:43:11.260 --> 00:43:13.000 then you have to be a very specific age group 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:19.380 to think that yeah okay now for number two With 00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:22.980 an overall score of 45, I think we might have 00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:25.239 a bit of a fight on this one. I don't know. Richard 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.920 Doty. I think we might. Season two, episode 17 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:36.260 and 18. You know what? I can't, seeing who now 00:43:36.260 --> 00:43:40.900 is your number one, I can't argue. He is my number 00:43:40.900 --> 00:43:45.780 one. If we can even believe any of this. Dodie's 00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:50.000 notoriety comes from his role as an Air Force 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.380 intelligence officer involved in UFO disinformation 00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:57.179 campaigns. His most notable achievement, if it 00:43:57.179 --> 00:44:00.219 can be called that, was shaping the Paul Bennewitz 00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:04.000 case, which became a cornerstone of UFO conspiracy 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.300 lore. His asshole action was deliberately feeding 00:44:08.300 --> 00:44:11.500 false information to Benowitz, driving him into 00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:15.619 paranoia and psychological collapse. Doty's manipulation 00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:19.159 caused immense harm and left a lasting scar on 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.079 UFO communities. And I will say, Doty got the 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.760 most hands of anybody on my list. He's all 10s 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.260 for me. I couldn't bring myself to do anything 00:44:29.260 --> 00:44:31.380 other than all 10s for Richard Doe because I 00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:33.719 knew he had to be number one. And I just have 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.920 to squeeze in here real quick because these are 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.260 episodes that go down in Journey to the French 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:42.619 History, season 2, episode 17, 18. Yes, and that 00:44:42.619 --> 00:44:44.400 isn't even taking into account the fact that 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.760 he very likely wrote the Serpo papers. That's 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:51.719 the general consensus. He also comes up in Skinny 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:55.980 Bob. Yeah, and just like up in a lot more episodes 00:44:55.980 --> 00:45:00.699 if you're just gonna put on a random UFO documentary 00:45:00.699 --> 00:45:04.579 There's a pretty good shot. He's in it. It's 00:45:04.579 --> 00:45:10.400 true as Not as like on him like Richard Doty 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:16.130 as a UFO as an expert Weighing in on things telling 00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:18.590 you whether or not you should be taken seriously. 00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:22.269 How the fuck did he get there? I don't know Obviously 00:45:22.269 --> 00:45:25.690 like no holds barred. He's tens all over the 00:45:25.690 --> 00:45:29.829 bar for me He's a 15 out of 10 on vibes for asshole 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.000 I mean, he probably shouldn't be ranked as high 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.920 for Herm, but I couldn't not give him a 10 for 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.260 everything. See, I gave him a 9 out of 10 for 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:42.139 vibes, and I will tell you it is for two factors. 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.599 He is the most unassuming man. Like, when he's 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.860 just sitting there, he looks like he's sitting 00:45:48.860 --> 00:45:51.900 there waiting for a bus. Like, wants to just 00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.619 tell a story to everybody around him. Absolutely. 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.639 Two, I couldn't give him ten for vibes because 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.679 so many people work with him and are willing 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:06.000 to have him as an expert. But why does that dock 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.559 him vibes? Then to me, it's the history that 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.219 I know that just makes his face so punchable 00:46:12.219 --> 00:46:16.400 to me. Yeah. And then I had to give him a six 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.980 for grift because I don't think he's making that 00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:23.119 much money off it. Most of the stuff he's done, 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.699 he did it for free. No, he's got a pension. He 00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:29.940 worked for the government. Oh, that's true. This 00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:32.960 is a side hustle. And it's not like he's wearing 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.440 swag when he's in these. He's dressed like an 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.139 old man. Can you imagine if he had, like, grills 00:46:38.139 --> 00:46:42.650 and shit? He has a really nice watch. I don't 00:46:42.650 --> 00:46:45.329 know, to me he had to be number one, hence all 00:46:45.329 --> 00:46:47.329 the comments. But like, he doesn't write books, 00:46:47.349 --> 00:46:51.550 he doesn't do his own lectures, he only does 00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.949 interviews it seems like when he's asked to do 00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:58.150 it. So I just, I couldn't say he's a heavy grifter 00:46:58.150 --> 00:47:01.489 compared to what I end up with at number one. 00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:05.449 It's true though, because he's a guy, he strikes 00:47:05.449 --> 00:47:08.170 me now as just someone that shows up when he's 00:47:08.170 --> 00:47:10.869 asked to. Yeah. Right? Cause that's what the 00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:13.469 military did. They're like, you gotta do this. 00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:17.590 And he was like, okay. And now they're like - 00:47:17.590 --> 00:47:19.210 And he just likes to write stuff. Like for free. 00:47:19.210 --> 00:47:22.070 He released the Serpo papers. We need an expert. 00:47:22.090 --> 00:47:26.409 And he's like, okay. Okay. I'll be there. You 00:47:26.409 --> 00:47:28.309 can count on me. Maybe he's just a reliable guy. 00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:34.369 Retirement is so boring. Yeah. I hate him. I 00:47:34.369 --> 00:47:38.400 hate that guy. He sucks. He's the number one 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:44.039 asshole Copilot has Dodie and like I said the 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.119 episode he's in he's in many more than just that 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.480 like he is all over They have him at number eight 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:54.239 with a nine nine nine six eight six being his 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.099 lowest in grift Okay, so they have him top ten 00:47:57.099 --> 00:48:00.460 and I can live with that Yeah, okay So Dodie 00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:03.420 for copilot scored extremely high on deception 00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:05.699 and harm because he knowingly fed disinformation 00:48:05.699 --> 00:48:09.300 to Paul Benowitz contributing to Benowitz's psychological 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:11.820 collapse and seeding toxic myths and UFO lore. 00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:14.579 His vibes are near the bottom, he's widely perceived 00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:17.139 as manipulative, duplicitous, and willing to 00:48:17.139 --> 00:48:19.460 throw allies under the bus to advance an agenda. 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.719 He's held back slightly by only moderate grift, 00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:24.860 but his legacy remains strong as a cautionary 00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:27.559 tale of institutional deceit. I think they're 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.880 right on par with that. Something I would add 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.800 to it is he went to very, very great lengths 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.179 to - Oh yeah, nobody came anywhere near that 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:40.159 level of lengths. Yep. Like he set up fake ventilation 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.260 on the middle of nowhere. Yeah, to show that 00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:46.219 it was an underground base. And he was drugging 00:48:46.219 --> 00:48:49.780 him. Yes! I can't remember exactly where that 00:48:49.780 --> 00:48:52.519 came in, but Benowitz was definitely being drugged. 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.340 And between him and Bill Moore, who knows? And 00:48:55.340 --> 00:48:59.420 John Lear. Oh man, so crazy. I agree with them 00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:01.880 on grift. I agree with you on Griff, but I'm 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.400 not bringing him down. Yeah, there's another 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.699 point I had to make, but I can't remember. That's 00:49:06.699 --> 00:49:09.219 okay. And it might come up because who I put 00:49:09.219 --> 00:49:12.599 at number one has used Richard Doty in the past 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.139 for documentary purposes. Oh yeah, that's what 00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:19.179 I was gonna say. Because they said that he's 00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:22.179 so widely renowned as being like, discredited 00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:24.880 because of this, yet everyone's using him for 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.019 his source. Okay, continue. So at number one, 00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:34.500 the biggest asshole we have ever covered is Richard 00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:38.519 Greer, season four, episode 99 and 101. Stephen 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.519 Greer. Dr. Stephen Greer, yes. Yes, you said 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:48.519 Richard Greer. Oh, did I? Okay, Dr. Stephen Greer, 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.719 season four, episode 99 and 101. Sorry, I have 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.940 Richard Doty still highlighted for some reason 00:49:54.940 --> 00:49:57.280 on my page. I know that's where you came up with 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.800 it. Yeah. Okay, I can argue with it. I can see 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.800 they're tight. I have him at number three. Okay, 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.420 since sorry, who's your two? Bill Moore. Bill 00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:08.800 Moore, right. Okay. You know what? I'm looking 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.000 at this and I think my top ten could use some 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.340 tweaking. And yeah, I don't know. Maybe we revisit 00:50:16.340 --> 00:50:18.659 our top ten in the future and see if the scoring 00:50:18.659 --> 00:50:22.050 changes. but I think I'm happy with it. But let's 00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:25.190 go through Richard. Let's go through Dr. Steven 00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:27.989 Greer, which you need to emphasize the doctor 00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.989 despite the fact it has nothing to do with what 00:50:29.989 --> 00:50:32.760 he's actually doing. Oh, everybody does. As a 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.619 matter of fact, Wilcock has been plugging him 00:50:35.619 --> 00:50:38.099 the last little bit and referring to his work, 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.019 and the doctor has definitely emphasized every 00:50:41.019 --> 00:50:43.659 time that Wilcock is talking about him. And I 00:50:43.659 --> 00:50:46.219 just could not put him at the same level of deception 00:50:46.219 --> 00:50:49.380 and fabrication as Dodie. Dodie went to such 00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:54.440 lengths to deceive, whereas Dr. Greer is a little 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.510 more lazy with his deception. like whenever you 00:50:57.510 --> 00:51:00.449 hear him talk if you just kind of think about 00:51:00.449 --> 00:51:03.150 it for a little while like give it five minutes 00:51:03.150 --> 00:51:06.730 sit on it you'll see it's full of shit yeah like 00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:10.130 oh man so you got a nine out of ten he has the 00:51:10.130 --> 00:51:13.929 creepiest vibes in my mind oh so creepy 10 out 00:51:13.929 --> 00:51:18.619 of 10 oh yeah 10 out of 10 100%. I gave him a 00:51:18.619 --> 00:51:21.360 9 out of 10 for harm. A lot of the stuff that 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.659 he's been putting out there, I think, is doing 00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:27.360 harm to the UFO community. He lies a ton so that 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.260 you can never actually tell what's going on, 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.679 and he puts himself front and center in everything. 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.579 And he will throw people under the bus if they 00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:38.059 don't agree with him. Not to mention that if 00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:40.599 he thinks that you offer, like, the slightest 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.380 bit of anything to him, he's just kinda... Yeah! 00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:44.199 He brought Edgar Mitchell into this whole thing. 00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:47.360 Yeah, but like anyone if he even saw you at a 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.699 dinner party and you offer him anything at all 00:51:49.699 --> 00:51:52.320 He will start using your name yet where you have 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.059 to address it in a letter Where you say you have 00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:01.139 mistaken agreement for my police season for episode 00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:04.659 99 101 He wasn't covered that long ago and then 00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:07.820 we did cover him again in that UFO disclosure 00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:10.579 episode Which I don't know off the top of my 00:52:10.579 --> 00:52:13.980 head And I do think there will be at some time 00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:16.559 in the future a follow -up on Greer, because, 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.789 like, he's prolific in his work. Dr. Greer is 00:52:20.789 --> 00:52:22.889 best known for founding the Disclosure Project 00:52:22.889 --> 00:52:26.510 and popularizing CE5 protocols, which claim to 00:52:26.510 --> 00:52:29.190 allow humans to initiate contact with extraterrestrials. 00:52:29.230 --> 00:52:31.449 His most notable achievement is bringing UFO 00:52:31.449 --> 00:52:34.150 discourse into mainstream media and government 00:52:34.150 --> 00:52:36.949 hearings, positioning himself as a central figure 00:52:36.949 --> 00:52:40.090 in disclosure. His biggest asshole move is monetizing 00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:43.250 these practices, charging steep fees for retreats 00:52:43.250 --> 00:52:46.389 and contact experiences that rely on unverifiable 00:52:46.389 --> 00:52:49.130 claims, effectively exploiting believers while 00:52:49.130 --> 00:52:52.250 presenting speculation as fact. Yeah, I don't 00:52:52.250 --> 00:52:55.570 think anybody alive in the UFO community today 00:52:55.570 --> 00:52:59.969 is a bigger grifter than Stephen Greer with his 00:52:59.969 --> 00:53:03.489 CE5 protocol events. I don't know about that. 00:53:03.690 --> 00:53:07.150 He's charging tens of thousands of dollars. per 00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:09.349 person to go to these, and they just pretend 00:53:09.349 --> 00:53:12.690 to see things in the sky, and apparently sometimes, 00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:16.650 allegedly sometimes, they hire helpers to make 00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:19.469 things happen in the sky. Yeah, that's true, 00:53:19.690 --> 00:53:21.730 but I think there's still some pretty - like 00:53:21.730 --> 00:53:24.510 David Wilcock to me is a similar level of grifter. 00:53:24.989 --> 00:53:27.650 Yes, but he doesn't have access to the same amount 00:53:27.650 --> 00:53:29.730 of monetization ability. It's because of the 00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:34.030 doctor. Yeah, it really is. But like, and - David 00:53:34.030 --> 00:53:36.030 Wilcox in a position where he's sucking up to 00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:39.329 the doctor, where this doctor Steven Greer is 00:53:39.329 --> 00:53:41.869 at the apex of all this. And the only thing I 00:53:41.869 --> 00:53:44.050 gave his lowest marks an eight in legacy for 00:53:44.050 --> 00:53:47.369 me. He just, I don't know if he's going to be 00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:49.710 necessarily remembered for anything or have moved 00:53:49.710 --> 00:53:52.550 anything in a particular direction where you 00:53:52.550 --> 00:53:55.670 can say his name's directly attached to it or 00:53:55.670 --> 00:53:58.989 something he brought forward is going to be important 00:53:58.989 --> 00:54:01.230 in the UFO community. True. I would a hundred 00:54:01.230 --> 00:54:03.659 percent agree with that. but he's incredibly 00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:06.219 deceptive with everything he is everywhere and 00:54:06.219 --> 00:54:08.699 he really likes to put his name along with disclosure 00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:11.719 but funny enough cannot get along with anybody 00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.980 else in the disclosure movement he's one of those 00:54:14.980 --> 00:54:18.000 personalities though where he's like so polarizing 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.840 like people actually i think you either like 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.679 them or you don't and i think some people might 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.300 just be going along with it because of like the 00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:30.050 doctor and the yeah He's deceptive with it. The 00:54:30.050 --> 00:54:32.349 clout that comes along with his name for whatever 00:54:32.349 --> 00:54:35.010 fucking reason, I don't know what it is. It's 00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:38.170 probably the doctor. It's important. Yeah, oh 00:54:38.170 --> 00:54:39.929 yeah, for sure. There's a reason he hasn't dropped 00:54:39.929 --> 00:54:41.969 it, despite the fact that it has nothing to do 00:54:41.969 --> 00:54:44.190 with what he's doing. Yeah. And the funny thing 00:54:44.190 --> 00:54:46.369 is, like, he always talks about how he's bringing 00:54:46.369 --> 00:54:48.489 this all forward and it's so important for the 00:54:48.489 --> 00:54:51.550 message, but everything is about him. Oh, listening 00:54:51.550 --> 00:54:55.289 to him talk is just, like, it's insanity, honestly. 00:54:56.030 --> 00:54:59.789 Yeah, so... Copilot has him at not that high 00:54:59.789 --> 00:55:04.369 at all, he's 17th on their list at 39, with 87798. 00:55:04.710 --> 00:55:06.929 So like fairly high across the board, just not 00:55:06.929 --> 00:55:09.679 like standing out anyway. Yeah, and co -pilot 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.260 did favor cults most the top is cults and weirdly 00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:15.800 enough Corey good that one was weird We both 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.420 weren't Corey good fairly low I want to give 00:55:18.420 --> 00:55:22.400 you my top ten and I would redo it But I'm just 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.860 gonna give you my actual list top ten not what 00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:28.059 I would redo it as okay as it stands Richard 00:55:28.059 --> 00:55:31.460 Doty number one Bill Moore number two Stephen 00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:35.519 Greer number three David polites number four 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.679 John Lear number five Preston Nichols number 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:43.940 six, Montauk. Stan Romanuk came at number seven. 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.480 Seven. Number eight I have Rick Dyer. I have 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.760 at nine the Warrens and regular person Andy at 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.219 number ten. Okay and co -pilot at number one 00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:58.239 they have the Moonies. At number two they have 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.039 Corey Good. At number three they have Romana 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.320 Dadula. At four they have good news international 00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.539 church at number five they have stan romanek 00:56:07.539 --> 00:56:10.179 at seven at six sorry i keep looking because 00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:12.659 it's the the numbers don't quite i know with 00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:15.420 the numbers on the left i know yeah at number 00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:19.400 six they have alistair crowley at number eight 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:23.039 no at number seven they have pinkertons at number 00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.340 eight they have richard doty at number nine they 00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:29.099 have hpb and number 10 finishing off their top 00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:33.619 10 is the phalangong interesting list Yeah, and 00:56:33.619 --> 00:56:37.619 that was a long winding journey and I am very 00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:41.059 curious what you guys, the listeners, think of 00:56:41.059 --> 00:56:43.699 this. Yeah, who do you guys have at number one? 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.460 Who do you have at number one? Who were we way 00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:50.059 off on? And who did we miss? I really want to 00:56:50.059 --> 00:56:55.250 know. Cuz I know I've missed a few people but 00:56:55.250 --> 00:56:59.949 I think I got everybody for the most part I know 00:56:59.949 --> 00:57:03.110 one that we're missing that I don't disagree 00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:05.710 him not being on here is John keel because we 00:57:05.710 --> 00:57:08.730 haven't actually Covered John keel John keel 00:57:08.730 --> 00:57:15.429 is on here. What? Yeah. Really? Yeah No, oh did 00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:18.610 we not okay damn but we didn't actually episodes 00:57:18.610 --> 00:57:21.210 on John keel. We didn't actually cover John keel 00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:23.619 though Okay. Right, we just covered the one or 00:57:23.619 --> 00:57:26.380 two books. Yeah. So if you wanted to be technical, 00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.000 you could say John Keel, but we have an access 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.980 to him. Copilot has him on their list. That's 00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:34.780 why it's been messed up. Okay. Yeah, I don't 00:57:34.780 --> 00:57:37.360 disagree with not having him on there. Okay. 00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:40.619 And as we talked about prior to the list, we 00:57:40.619 --> 00:57:42.420 took out the corporations just because we thought 00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:44.360 that would be really weird for the most part. 00:57:44.420 --> 00:57:47.400 Like we couldn't include Chevron or that law 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.360 firm in Panama or Boeing. because it's just an 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.619 inherently different kind of assholeness. And 00:57:53.619 --> 00:57:55.880 I think we could agree that corporations are 00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:58.940 just overall a number one on the asshole scale. 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:03.239 Yeah. So yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't. 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:07.300 Anyhow, that's been a long going. So I think 00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:11.920 we just made it two episodes. Yeah. But here 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:14.699 we are, end of January or February. Who knows? 00:58:14.900 --> 00:58:18.059 Who knows when it is now? What even time is this? 00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.070 Yes. With that, I have been Taylor, here with 00:58:21.070 --> 00:58:23.010 Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank 00:58:23.010 --> 00:58:24.329 you all for listening and we'll see you next 00:58:24.329 --> 00:58:35.329 week. Bye. Thank you for listening to Journey 00:58:35.329 --> 00:58:37.670 to the Fringe. If you have liked what you have 00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:41.650 listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or 00:58:41.650 --> 00:58:44.409 follow, depending on what. venue you are listening 00:58:44.409 --> 00:58:47.289 to us through. 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