WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 from the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:13.679 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:17.559 to Journey to the Fringe. Now with good audio 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:20.780 for real this time. We're serious about fixing 00:00:20.780 --> 00:00:23.570 this audio problem. and every time we fix it 00:00:23.570 --> 00:00:25.510 it ends up being something different but this 00:00:25.510 --> 00:00:27.870 time I think we're good I'm knocking on wood 00:00:27.870 --> 00:00:30.670 so hard right now I had to say it out loud so 00:00:30.670 --> 00:00:33.189 I can't wait to see how this episode is screwed 00:00:33.189 --> 00:00:36.570 up but until that happens we are your podcast 00:00:36.570 --> 00:00:39.810 hosts Taylor and Chelsea here today continuing 00:00:39.810 --> 00:00:42.750 on with our asshole list if somehow you have 00:00:42.750 --> 00:00:46.740 stumbled upon this show on a part four of five, 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:49.520 I think. First off, you have a very interesting 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.140 way of listening to podcasts, but in any event, 00:00:52.340 --> 00:00:54.320 I think we still want to accommodate you. We 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.600 have covered many assholes in depth on this show, 00:00:57.780 --> 00:01:00.280 and we decided we wanted to rank them all from 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.990 lowest to highest asshole. We are now at 19th 00:01:03.990 --> 00:01:06.069 on the list. We'll probably get to about 10 on 00:01:06.069 --> 00:01:08.829 this episode. Ranking them with a score out of 00:01:08.829 --> 00:01:11.629 50 based on five different categories out of 00:01:11.629 --> 00:01:14.170 10. Deception and fabrication, exploitation, 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:17.409 harm and legacy. When we add those numbers up, 00:01:17.489 --> 00:01:19.810 we get your asshole number and we tell you where 00:01:19.810 --> 00:01:22.269 you fall on the list. Chelsea and I have each 00:01:22.269 --> 00:01:24.549 ranked these people independently. We are going 00:01:24.549 --> 00:01:27.510 off my list, learning where Chelsea and an independent 00:01:27.510 --> 00:01:30.849 AI has placed these people in their ranking system. 00:01:32.450 --> 00:01:34.810 Except when you're accidentally reading the wrong 00:01:34.810 --> 00:01:41.150 list. Yep. Okay, at number 19, breaking the top 00:01:41.150 --> 00:01:46.170 20, we have Wilhelm Reich, season two, episode 00:01:46.170 --> 00:01:49.930 50. He was a psychoanalyst turned pseudoscientist 00:01:49.930 --> 00:01:52.450 who promoted orgone energy. Oh, yeah, I know 00:01:52.450 --> 00:01:55.469 who that is and sold devices to harness it. His 00:01:55.469 --> 00:01:58.489 achievement was influencing fringe therapy and 00:01:58.489 --> 00:02:01.489 counterculture movements. His asshole factor 00:02:01.489 --> 00:02:05.069 lies in fabricating scientific claims, exploiting 00:02:05.069 --> 00:02:07.930 followers with useless devices and misleading 00:02:07.930 --> 00:02:10.729 people about health, though his legacy persists 00:02:10.729 --> 00:02:14.370 in alternative therapy lore. And I will say this 00:02:14.370 --> 00:02:17.360 is one of the episodes that I did Brush up on 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.419 during recordings, which you don't know how long 00:02:19.419 --> 00:02:23.020 it was so I am fresh on Wilhelm Reich Even though 00:02:23.020 --> 00:02:26.360 I didn't immediately recognize And this is somebody, 00:02:26.659 --> 00:02:29.300 too, that I had to brush up on. I did it well 00:02:29.300 --> 00:02:32.259 before the break, but he was much lower on my 00:02:32.259 --> 00:02:34.419 list until I re -listened to that episode, and 00:02:34.419 --> 00:02:37.020 man, I forgot what an asshole this guy was. Yeah, 00:02:37.020 --> 00:02:40.360 he was a total asshole. Top notch. I probably 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:42.819 still underestimated him in my numbers. He got 00:02:42.819 --> 00:02:46.860 an overall 34. Oh, mine's at 37. Okay. We're 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:49.080 in agreeance, pretty much. I gave him a 7 for 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.500 Fabrication and Deception because he got arrested 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:56.180 by the FDA for selling some - that he knew was 00:02:56.180 --> 00:02:58.840 not medically tested and seemed a lie but like 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:00.580 even he had Albert Einstein look at it and said 00:03:00.580 --> 00:03:02.939 yeah this thing doesn't do anything. I had him 00:03:02.939 --> 00:03:05.000 at a straight 10 because there is nothing about 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.099 that that was legitimate. I had really low vibes 00:03:09.099 --> 00:03:11.460 until I re -listened to that episode and I forgot 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:14.599 how crazy this guy went to the point where if 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.979 we ever make a joke about constantly doing math 00:03:16.979 --> 00:03:19.419 to show our sanity this is the guy that we're 00:03:19.419 --> 00:03:23.659 referencing. Because he wrote a letter to his 00:03:23.659 --> 00:03:25.479 son that he has never been more sane because 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.620 he is constantly doing math. He was constantly 00:03:28.620 --> 00:03:32.580 cheating on people, clearly breaking laws all 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:34.900 the time. He thought the government was out to 00:03:34.900 --> 00:03:38.599 get him. It was so bizarre by the end. For harm, 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.500 I gave him a three. I didn't actually think that 00:03:41.500 --> 00:03:45.159 he did that much harm. There was one quote in 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.400 that episode that I loved. It was a professor 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.620 from Oregon State or something like that whose 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:52.979 wife loved the Orgone machine. He's like, I know 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:55.080 it doesn't do anything, but it shuts her up for 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.139 four hours. Yeah, there's some people who definitely 00:03:59.139 --> 00:04:02.400 took it for health matters that probably had 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.680 detrimental health issues because of it, but... 00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:08.669 I don't think he was forcing harm on people. 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:10.270 It's hard to say. I probably should have put 00:04:10.270 --> 00:04:13.689 it higher. Nah. Grig was a nine. He's pretty 00:04:13.689 --> 00:04:16.709 damn high. Yeah, I have ten. And Orgo and Energy 00:04:16.709 --> 00:04:19.269 is still used today, so I have that as a seven. 00:04:19.350 --> 00:04:21.970 It's not prominent, but it's still there. The 00:04:21.970 --> 00:04:24.250 only thing that I would add, I agree with you 00:04:24.250 --> 00:04:26.389 on harm, I actually have them higher than I think 00:04:26.389 --> 00:04:28.850 I would because, I mean, it's Orgo and Energy, 00:04:28.970 --> 00:04:31.170 like, what the hell is he gonna do with that 00:04:31.170 --> 00:04:33.990 from someone sitting in a chamber? Yeah, and 00:04:33.990 --> 00:04:35.769 that's that whole thing. If he was doing something 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:38.189 that brought harm on them, I think it's different 00:04:38.189 --> 00:04:42.230 than, like, this. benign thing that's more or 00:04:42.230 --> 00:04:45.029 less just a placebo. Yeah. I mean, there is still 00:04:45.029 --> 00:04:48.029 harm because he's taking money from people. Some 00:04:48.029 --> 00:04:50.949 of them were desperate for a cure to what was 00:04:50.949 --> 00:04:53.449 ailing them. Yeah. Other than that, I think we 00:04:53.449 --> 00:04:55.389 are on the same page. That was just me ranking 00:04:55.389 --> 00:04:57.670 higher than I should have. And we're weirdly 00:04:57.670 --> 00:05:00.870 somewhat on the same page as co -pilot on this 00:05:00.870 --> 00:05:04.769 one. Wilhelm Reich is 35th on their list, but 00:05:04.769 --> 00:05:08.279 he got a 34. So we're all in agreeance on that 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:12.420 one. Right around the same spot, yeah. Chelsea, 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.000 I think this one's going to be contentious. Next 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.120 up on my list, Bill Moore. Interesting. Season 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:23.879 3, episodes 44, 46, 48, and 50. He got a deep 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:27.699 dive. Oh yeah, okay, why is he here? Bill Moore 00:05:27.699 --> 00:05:30.259 co -authored the Roswell Incident, which helped 00:05:30.259 --> 00:05:32.920 cement Roswell as the centerpiece of UFO mythology. 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.240 His achievements were popularizing the crash 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.060 narrative and shaping UFO discourse. His asshole 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:40.639 moves were secretly cooperating with the government 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.160 disinformation campaigns against Paul Benowitz 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.879 betraying the UFO community while profiting from 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.279 books and notoriety. His saving grace for me? 00:05:49.420 --> 00:05:51.519 That didn't put him any higher. Again, he's a 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.720 34, but I do think he's slightly more of an asshole 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:55.920 than Ryke, so that's where he's at there. He 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.240 quit the UFO community. He did the 1989 Muthong 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.540 Conference and quit. Yeah. Like he didn't do 00:06:03.540 --> 00:06:06.579 it again. You make a good point. Overall, like 00:06:06.579 --> 00:06:09.279 I said, a 34. I gave him a 7 on deception and 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.500 vibes. Mostly because he knew he was being lied 00:06:11.500 --> 00:06:14.100 to, but he thought he could figure it out. And 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:18.079 it's hard to tell when he was lying. But he definitely 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:22.100 lied to Benowitz. Gave him a 5 for vibes. I don't 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:25.220 get the worst vibes from him. Gave him an 8 for 00:06:25.220 --> 00:06:27.980 harm because of what he did to Benowitz. Gave 00:06:27.980 --> 00:06:31.100 him a 6 for grift just because we know there's 00:06:31.100 --> 00:06:33.740 bigger grifters out there. And importantly, like 00:06:33.740 --> 00:06:36.379 I said, he quit the UFO community. But he got 00:06:36.379 --> 00:06:39.339 an 8 for legacy because a lot of what we see 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:42.139 today with what the UFO community is, is shaped 00:06:42.139 --> 00:06:44.670 by Bill Moore. When you put it that way, you 00:06:44.670 --> 00:06:48.069 know, he doesn't seem so diabolical like he had 00:06:48.069 --> 00:06:52.029 this grand master plan You just kind of get from 00:06:52.029 --> 00:06:54.730 him that he's just kind of an idiot that was 00:06:54.730 --> 00:06:57.350 used as a pawn and he just kind of played the 00:06:57.350 --> 00:07:00.870 part I ranked him a lot higher. I have a number 00:07:00.870 --> 00:07:05.870 two on my list and I think that is mostly because 00:07:05.870 --> 00:07:09.850 of the deception I gave him a 10 because of what 00:07:09.850 --> 00:07:12.269 he did and that goes hand -in -hand with the 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.839 legacy of it. He had a pretty big hand in what 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.639 was going on and he has a huge hand in the UFO 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.139 lore that we still see today. So the reach is 00:07:23.139 --> 00:07:26.600 ongoing of what he had his hand in and I think 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.899 the grift was high as well. Now harm I probably 00:07:29.899 --> 00:07:32.220 have actually higher than it should be. I have 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:35.339 it at a nine and I think I came to that mostly 00:07:35.339 --> 00:07:38.600 just because of like I just said it's still in 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.689 the UFO lore that we see today. The the people 00:07:41.689 --> 00:07:44.970 he was working with on like the Roswell and stuff 00:07:44.970 --> 00:07:47.209 like that, that's still something that's talked 00:07:47.209 --> 00:07:51.509 about today. Yeah, he was the one where the bodies 00:07:51.509 --> 00:07:54.189 were recovered at Roswell, right? Like 20 years 00:07:54.189 --> 00:07:56.850 later. Yeah. Oh, there was so much. He's the 00:07:56.850 --> 00:08:00.149 original finder of the MJ -12 documents and like 00:08:00.149 --> 00:08:03.810 government archives. Yeah. And so to me, and 00:08:03.810 --> 00:08:07.990 maybe that's why I ranked it. So Herm is, I think, 00:08:08.189 --> 00:08:10.629 depending on who you're looking at, it can be 00:08:10.629 --> 00:08:13.069 looked at him more than one way. I think I went 00:08:13.069 --> 00:08:16.569 so high on it just because of the harm that he 00:08:16.569 --> 00:08:20.050 did to the UFO community. He really discredited 00:08:20.050 --> 00:08:23.810 pretty much everyone and everything. Right there 00:08:23.810 --> 00:08:26.889 at the move on thing because he was held to such 00:08:26.889 --> 00:08:29.350 high pristine within the community and it suddenly 00:08:29.350 --> 00:08:33.289 just drops out of nowhere Yeah, so yeah, he's 00:08:33.289 --> 00:08:36.210 number two on mine vibes though And now that 00:08:36.210 --> 00:08:38.929 I look back like he does just have like idiot 00:08:38.929 --> 00:08:41.389 vibes And I actually did learn like apparently 00:08:41.389 --> 00:08:43.889 he was just a schoolteacher before he got into 00:08:43.889 --> 00:08:46.269 the UFO community You get that kind of vibes 00:08:46.269 --> 00:08:48.429 from him. Don't you just like he's a Bill Moore 00:08:48.429 --> 00:08:52.639 the name. Yeah And you just wonder, like, did 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.700 he go back to teaching? I wonder what he's up 00:08:54.700 --> 00:08:57.379 to today, huh? I think he's dead. I'm pretty 00:08:57.379 --> 00:08:59.120 sure actually we talked about that. I can't remember. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:01.399 That's not one I had to go back to to listen 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.960 to. He's pretty memorable. Yeah. For me. So I 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.259 had him at a two. What does AI have him at? Sorry. 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.539 And what's that give him as a score? Oh, I had 00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:13.000 him at 47. Bill Moore for co -pilot. They have 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.019 him at a 38. Eights and sevens across the board. 00:09:16.299 --> 00:09:19.039 That puts him 20th on their list. I would address 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.080 that. I'd probably take them down a vibe or two. 00:09:22.220 --> 00:09:25.919 Maybe a harm notch down. So maybe I put him. 00:09:25.940 --> 00:09:28.600 He's still high up on my list. And I do have 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.639 their description. So Morris deception and vibes 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.159 are high due to his betrayal of the UFO community 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.620 while profiting from Roswell. His grip is solid 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:37.600 with books and appearances and his harm comes 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.059 from spreading falsehoods. He's held back by 00:09:40.059 --> 00:09:42.580 a weaker legacy remembered more for scandals 00:09:42.580 --> 00:09:44.879 than enduring influence. That's a fair point, 00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:47.720 but at the same time, a lot of the things that 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.960 we do remember from the UFO community just don't 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.500 have his name attached to them. Yeah, he has 00:09:52.500 --> 00:09:55.480 some books that are still referred back to today 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:59.340 that people use. They might not use it as a source, 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.720 but the idea itself. And if you have Roswell 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.539 believing people around you, it's because of 00:10:05.539 --> 00:10:07.139 Bill Moore. And they're not going to remember 00:10:07.139 --> 00:10:08.720 that it's Bill Moore. They're not going to know 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.720 that that's where the idea comes from, but they 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.620 know the idea. Yeah. Next up on my list, Chelsea, 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:18.940 John Lear, season four, episodes 42 and 44. I 00:10:18.940 --> 00:10:21.879 have John Lear. Oh, no, I need to read them. 00:10:22.179 --> 00:10:24.299 I always get too excited to tell you my score 00:10:24.299 --> 00:10:27.879 of people. John Lear, son of the Learjet founder, 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.100 became a prominent UFO conspiracy promoter in 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:34.659 the 1980s. I assume it is not the one ninety 00:10:34.659 --> 00:10:39.289 and nineteen nineties. His achievement was popularizing 00:10:39.289 --> 00:10:42.710 wild claims about secret bases, alien treaties, 00:10:42.929 --> 00:10:45.590 and government coverups. His asshole factor comes 00:10:45.590 --> 00:10:48.690 from fabricating stories, monetizing lectures, 00:10:49.049 --> 00:10:51.470 and spreading misinformation that confused and 00:10:51.470 --> 00:10:54.919 misled UFO communities. John Lear is tied at 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.820 34, but I do have this in the distinct order 00:10:57.820 --> 00:11:01.220 of how I felt they should fall. John Lear gets 00:11:01.220 --> 00:11:03.940 high deception and fabrication just because of 00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.139 what he was doing behind the scenes and how many 00:11:06.139 --> 00:11:08.820 people he's attached to. I don't get bad vibes 00:11:08.820 --> 00:11:11.539 from him, although he does have that like fake 00:11:11.539 --> 00:11:14.419 millionaire playboy persona to him. I think he 00:11:14.419 --> 00:11:16.759 did pretty substantial harm, and in fact, he's 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.159 the last person to talk to Benowitz before he 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:22.220 got checked into the mental asylum. He grifts 00:11:22.220 --> 00:11:24.659 hard. So I gave him an eight for that. And overall, 00:11:24.820 --> 00:11:27.580 I do think he had a huge impact, a nine, on the 00:11:27.580 --> 00:11:30.480 legacy of the UFO community. Yep. Like, weirdly, 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:32.480 he's attached to everybody in that time, whereas 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.200 Bill Moore seemed to be doing his own thing. 00:11:34.419 --> 00:11:36.980 John Lear seemed to attach himself to everyone. 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.860 Yeah, I agree all of these like I didn't know 00:11:39.860 --> 00:11:43.039 how to not give them a 10 forever like deception 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:47.500 and fabrication and Grift and legacy all of these 00:11:47.500 --> 00:11:50.440 bigger assholes are all tense for stuff like 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.240 that for me for some reason I gave them a 7 for 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.179 vibes Yeah, I mean that's really where we're 00:11:56.179 --> 00:11:59.600 differing. I have them pretty high in the deception 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.379 fabrication grift legacy Yeah, and I think that's 00:12:03.379 --> 00:12:05.340 always where the biggest differences are gonna 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:08.299 be is in the vibe thing because it is fully a 00:12:08.299 --> 00:12:11.279 how do you feel about this whole thing yeah I'm 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.500 not surprised that he's close to Bill Moore on 00:12:13.500 --> 00:12:16.539 this just because he has a pretty far reach now 00:12:16.539 --> 00:12:19.360 it's just not I don't know for some reason Bill 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.740 Moore his legacy just seems so much more grandiose 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:25.700 to me than John Lear I don't know maybe part 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:28.299 of like the legacy for me is like Jeremy Corbell 00:12:28.299 --> 00:12:31.000 lived with him for a while and like breaks about 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.129 it so he's still shaping the community I forgot 00:12:34.129 --> 00:12:37.009 about that. He's probably one I could have used 00:12:37.009 --> 00:12:39.710 to listen on. And he's the one who brought George 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:41.809 Knapp into the UFO community, too, because he 00:12:41.809 --> 00:12:44.330 was doing, like, basically Las Vegas crime stuff 00:12:44.330 --> 00:12:46.450 for a long time, and then John Lear was his first 00:12:46.450 --> 00:12:48.690 interview in the UFO. Fuck, I forgot about all 00:12:48.690 --> 00:12:51.769 of that. And he fully admits to lying about a 00:12:51.769 --> 00:12:54.129 ton of stuff, like, writing fake documents all 00:12:54.129 --> 00:12:58.789 the time. Like there was one quote and it was 00:12:58.789 --> 00:13:00.850 on Bill Cooper and he's like bill you got to 00:13:00.850 --> 00:13:02.870 stop saying that you got this document from the 00:13:02.870 --> 00:13:07.230 Navy I wrote it. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. 00:13:07.330 --> 00:13:10.669 Oh, yeah, he's an asshole. I stand by where I 00:13:10.669 --> 00:13:13.330 have him He's fifth on my list co -pilot has 00:13:13.330 --> 00:13:16.309 him at 25th on their list with the 36 eights 00:13:16.309 --> 00:13:19.000 and sevens across the board Mostly sevens. And 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.419 it says, Lear scores high in deception and grift 00:13:21.419 --> 00:13:24.259 for wild UFO claims and monetization. His legacy 00:13:24.259 --> 00:13:27.340 is solid, influencing conspiracy lore. His vibes 00:13:27.340 --> 00:13:29.700 are mid -length, seen as abrasive but not universally 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:32.120 toxic. He's held back by moderate harm since 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:35.899 his influence misled but didn't devastate. And 00:13:35.899 --> 00:13:39.360 I have no idea where this is gonna fall on your 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.429 list, Chelsea. Next up... I have Pinkertons, 00:13:42.750 --> 00:13:46.090 Season 4 Episode 2. Their total ranked on mine 00:13:46.090 --> 00:13:49.549 is a 26. Pinkertons is a detective agency which 00:13:49.549 --> 00:13:51.750 has become notorious for strike breaking and 00:13:51.750 --> 00:13:54.009 anti -labor violence in the late 19th and early 00:13:54.009 --> 00:13:56.250 20th centuries. Their achievements were building 00:13:56.250 --> 00:13:58.509 one of the most powerful private security forces 00:13:58.509 --> 00:14:01.289 in history. Their asshole actions include deception, 00:14:01.570 --> 00:14:03.789 exploitation of workers, and direct harm through 00:14:03.789 --> 00:14:06.370 violence and intimidation, leaving a legacy of 00:14:06.370 --> 00:14:09.389 corporate coercion. And I think what made them 00:14:09.389 --> 00:14:12.580 score so high I have them as a 35 overall. They 00:14:12.580 --> 00:14:16.720 have super bad vibes and legitimately bad harm. 00:14:16.940 --> 00:14:19.879 Like, they've killed many people. They have left 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:23.399 families destitute. They're still around doing 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.960 the same thing, and like, Pinkerton's showed 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.580 up as much as in the last five years at the door 00:14:28.580 --> 00:14:31.179 of somebody who got the wrong Magic the Gathering 00:14:31.179 --> 00:14:34.049 cards mailed to them. to basically intimidate 00:14:34.049 --> 00:14:36.169 yeah don't you remember that like somebody got 00:14:36.169 --> 00:14:37.909 magic the gathering cards that weren't supposed 00:14:37.909 --> 00:14:39.870 to be released yet and they did a youtube video 00:14:39.870 --> 00:14:42.950 on them and wizards of the coast hired pinkertons 00:14:42.950 --> 00:14:45.250 to go intimidate them to take down the video 00:14:45.250 --> 00:14:47.509 this is another one i could have used to brush 00:14:47.509 --> 00:14:50.149 up on but now that you say that i remember however 00:14:50.149 --> 00:14:53.169 i did match with your vibes and harm i have them 00:14:53.169 --> 00:14:56.399 up at nine for vibes and eight for harm It was 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.460 just everything else. And I guess I just put 00:14:58.460 --> 00:15:02.399 them at legacy as a four because I don't really 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.799 remember them. I remember they're bad dudes though. 00:15:06.019 --> 00:15:09.080 I do remember that. I do have them as a 10 on 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.320 legacy because labor laws and rights across North 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.700 America are where they are because of Pinkertons. 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:18.480 Is it? Was it? I thought they were like investigators. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.120 I guess I need - Well they are, but they're strikebreakers. 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:23.840 I think I'm gonna go back and re -listen to this 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.940 episode, even though I've already ranked them 00:15:25.940 --> 00:15:29.220 as this. I think we're gonna have a lot of varying 00:15:29.220 --> 00:15:32.740 views on legacy moving forward on my list, because 00:15:32.740 --> 00:15:35.159 a lot of where we're at now got to where they 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.179 are because of such high legacy. Interesting. 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.720 Copilot has Pinkertons as seventh on their list 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.720 with a 42. Wow. They got nines and eights across 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.460 the board. Wow. Okay. I can't remember if I said 00:15:50.460 --> 00:15:54.019 it. They scored a 35 overall for me. Who knows? 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.299 I might be in agreeance with everyone else once 00:15:56.299 --> 00:16:02.190 I finish that episode. Re -listen. Next up, at 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:06.889 number 15 on the list, I have HPB, Helena Blavatsky. 00:16:07.049 --> 00:16:11.720 Season 1, episode 16. Blavatsky co -founded the 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.440 Theosophical Society and authored the Secret 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.600 Doctrine, blending Eastern mysticism with fabricated 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.320 cosmology. Her achievement was creating one of 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.960 the most influential occult movements of the 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:28.159 19th century. Her asshole actions include fabricating 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:31.919 Mahatma letters, exploiting followers, and embedding 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.860 racialized esoteric hierarchies into her teachings, 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:39.700 leaving a problematic legacy. Insistently for 00:16:39.700 --> 00:16:43.259 me. I do think she lied a ton I gave her a nine 00:16:43.259 --> 00:16:46.399 for deception and fabrication seven for vibes 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.799 Probably would have been higher had this not 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.000 been like the thing of the day like her mysticism 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.320 is what was big in the late 1800s plus she has 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:01.700 ties to What's it called the society that theosophy 00:17:01.700 --> 00:17:06.119 not theosophy the one that the Nazis really liked 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:09.119 and you saw that in her writings through the 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.779 episode as well with the racialized. I should 00:17:11.779 --> 00:17:13.140 probably have gone back and listened to that 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.299 one. All I remember is I was really drunk near 00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:18.470 the end of that episode. You know, but it may 00:17:18.470 --> 00:17:20.569 not be noticeable because I did a good job editing 00:17:20.569 --> 00:17:23.410 It's so funny though when you look back on some 00:17:23.410 --> 00:17:25.210 of the stuff what sticks in your mind of what 00:17:25.210 --> 00:17:28.789 doesn't HPB is pretty clear to me. I spent a 00:17:28.789 --> 00:17:31.630 lot of time researching that one great episode 00:17:31.630 --> 00:17:35.670 She's ranked 39th on mine also scoring pretty 00:17:35.670 --> 00:17:39.150 high on deception fabrication as well as legacy 00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:43.529 grift very high harm I do have higher on her 00:17:43.529 --> 00:17:47.390 as well because it inspired breakoffs of her 00:17:47.390 --> 00:17:51.369 teachings into what inspired it would have been 00:17:51.369 --> 00:17:54.549 Himmler I think based on my Behind the Bastards 00:17:54.549 --> 00:17:56.809 listings yeah I think he was the one who was 00:17:56.809 --> 00:18:00.289 big into the occult big into it yeah which inspired 00:18:00.289 --> 00:18:04.269 some stuff she's pretty high up on mine well 00:18:04.269 --> 00:18:10.289 she overall she's 13th on mine So right around 00:18:10.289 --> 00:18:13.369 the same spot, I have her 15th with a 36. Once 00:18:13.369 --> 00:18:15.589 again, she got an 8 on Legacy. It might even 00:18:15.589 --> 00:18:18.250 be higher. It's weird that Theosophy groups are 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:21.369 still around. I know, right? Still, just because 00:18:21.369 --> 00:18:25.490 it's not the fringe of the day that I think holds 00:18:25.490 --> 00:18:28.769 it back. I think you're right. Wow, right around 00:18:28.769 --> 00:18:32.710 the same spot HPB is 9th on Copilot's list with 00:18:32.710 --> 00:18:39.089 a 98789. Alright, next up is John Hutchison of 00:18:39.089 --> 00:18:42.609 The Hutchison Effect, Season 5, Episode 28. Yeah, 00:18:42.650 --> 00:18:46.750 we just did him. Oh, I have him pretty low, actually. 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:51.210 He has a score on mine of 25. And I think it 00:18:51.210 --> 00:18:54.210 might be because it's local lore that made me 00:18:54.210 --> 00:18:56.390 give him a little bit higher score, so Hutchison 00:18:56.390 --> 00:18:58.829 gained notoriety for The Hutchison Effect, a 00:18:58.829 --> 00:19:01.490 supposed set of anomalous physics phenomena. 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.720 His achievement was capturing media attention 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.799 and inspiring fringe science enthusiasts. His 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.339 asshole actions include staging demonstrations 00:19:09.339 --> 00:19:11.579 that couldn't be replicated, misleading audiences, 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:14.539 and monetizing pseudoscience through devices 00:19:14.539 --> 00:19:17.599 and appearances. And yes, he might be a little 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:22.480 mundane, but I get such weird vibes from him. 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.299 He's one of the few 10 out of 10 vibes I gave. 00:19:26.859 --> 00:19:29.079 Like just such a weird guy picking fights with 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.619 the local municipality and like the Army of Canada 00:19:32.619 --> 00:19:35.859 like super weird eight on deception and fabrication 00:19:35.859 --> 00:19:38.119 because he's straight up making all of it up 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:43.180 six on harm and ten on legacy four on grift and 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:46.640 I gave him such a high legacy because So many 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.380 times we look at a story people try to use the 00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:52.480 Hutchison effect to explain it That's true. I 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.180 didn't think of it that way. I gave him Lower 00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:59.859 overall like completely an non memorable person 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:02.799 That's why I gave him low on legacy. I can fully 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.880 agree with a low legacy, but the Hutchison effect 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.039 is going to live on a long time, unfortunately. 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:10.680 That's true. And it's kind of like what we were 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.579 just talking about with Bill Moore. It's people 00:20:13.579 --> 00:20:16.099 use it to back something up or where they know 00:20:16.099 --> 00:20:18.099 it from, but they have no idea where it's coming 00:20:18.099 --> 00:20:19.799 from. And it's not his name. They're not using 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.480 him to back it up, but they're using the Hutchison 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.400 effect. Like, but they have no idea the details 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.720 behind it or where it's come from or anything 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.670 like that. Interesting. Co -pilot has him real 00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:33.269 low on their list. Sorry, what was your overall 00:20:33.269 --> 00:20:36.569 score? Twenty... Yeah, I think you did say a 00:20:36.569 --> 00:20:40.950 25. I have a 38. So he's 37. He's pretty high 00:20:40.950 --> 00:20:44.230 up there. Co -pilot seems to agree more with 00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:49.069 you. He's 38th on their list with a 33. 86676. 00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:52.829 I'm also enjoying how much our ranking systems 00:20:52.829 --> 00:20:58.059 differ. It's pretty great. Well, and that's the 00:20:58.059 --> 00:21:00.140 beautiful thing about all these individuals. 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.519 They are very different and everybody gets a 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:06.779 different thing from them. Yeah. Number 13 on 00:21:06.779 --> 00:21:10.819 my list is Romana de Dula, season four, episode 00:21:10.819 --> 00:21:14.000 16, and many fringy minis in between. She's 11 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.420 on mine. Not that far off. No, not at all. She's 00:21:17.420 --> 00:21:21.539 ranked on mine 39 is my total. And I have her 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:25.750 as a 38, so we are not that far. Beautiful. Romana 00:21:25.750 --> 00:21:28.170 de Dula declared herself the Queen of Canada, 00:21:28.410 --> 00:21:30.750 issuing fake decrees and soliciting money from 00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:33.250 followers. Her achievement was briefly gaining 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:35.950 notoriety in QAnon -adjacent circles. Her asshole 00:21:35.950 --> 00:21:39.470 actions are extreme, fabricating authority, exploiting 00:21:39.470 --> 00:21:41.950 vulnerable people financially and causing real 00:21:41.950 --> 00:21:44.569 -world harm through manipulation and false promises. 00:21:44.829 --> 00:21:50.349 She scored very high for me on vibes and deception 00:21:50.349 --> 00:21:52.829 and fabrication because everything is so made 00:21:52.829 --> 00:21:55.819 up and she's issuing money. for her followers 00:21:55.819 --> 00:21:58.519 to use but not use they gotta wait for her to 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.559 tell them I have her high on everything pretty 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.059 much and then legacy I tanked her I gave her 00:22:04.059 --> 00:22:06.180 a four on legacy probably could have been lower 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:09.680 too harm was an eight the people she is harming 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.259 it's fairly substantial but it's an incredibly 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:17.190 small group Yeah I have her 10 deception, vibes 00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:22.049 8, harm 8, grift 10, legacy 3. And I gave her 00:22:22.049 --> 00:22:25.289 a 7 on grift because they have to live out of 00:22:25.289 --> 00:22:28.150 that RV. I guess they got technically given like 00:22:28.150 --> 00:22:30.670 an abandoned school but like she's not living 00:22:30.670 --> 00:22:33.549 high off of the money she's making off of this. 00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:36.509 She's just not doing that good of a job so you 00:22:36.509 --> 00:22:40.150 ranked her a little lower. Basically. Okay I 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:42.910 can get behind that. If she would have got somebody 00:22:42.910 --> 00:22:46.170 rich to follow her, then yes, full ten. Like, 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:48.470 she's trying to grift so hard. And if anybody 00:22:48.470 --> 00:22:50.950 ever accepts her money as currency, then yes, 00:22:50.950 --> 00:22:54.470 ten. Hard. But until that day, she's not quite 00:22:54.470 --> 00:23:00.369 there yet. Also, I think our only dip into the 00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:04.210 QAnon group so far. I don't think they've come 00:23:04.210 --> 00:23:08.710 up anywhere else. Co -pilot has put Romana at 00:23:08.710 --> 00:23:12.779 number three on its list. Oh shit. 9 for deception, 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.880 10 for vibes, 10 for harm, 8 for rift, 7 for 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:20.740 legacy. So a 44 overall. Nice. I can't dispute 00:23:20.740 --> 00:23:24.759 you, Copilot, but that is a reasonable assertion, 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.039 but didn't give me a description of why. That's 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.099 okay. You did your part. Yeah. We'll forgive 00:23:30.099 --> 00:23:35.859 him. Him. Now this one I did relisten to this 00:23:35.859 --> 00:23:38.420 episode But I still can't quite remember why 00:23:38.420 --> 00:23:41.940 I put this so high Chelsea at number 12 I have 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:45.980 Preston Nichols season 2 episode 46 about Montauk 00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:49.000 Oh, I have him high. He's on six on mine. That 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.180 seems like a mistake Nichols co -authored the 00:23:52.180 --> 00:23:55.279 Montauk project book which claims secret government 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:58.519 experiments in time travel mind control and alien 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.339 technology His achievement was creating a sprawling 00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:05.799 mythos that inspired pop culture, including stranger 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:09.079 things. His asshole actions include fabricating 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:12.119 elaborate tales, monetizing them through books 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.980 and appearances, and misleading audiences into 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:17.559 believing his stories were factual accounts of 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.460 government abuse. Yes, and now I'm remembering 00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:22.380 it. Chelsea, you did this episode. You started 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:25.599 his book off with, not all of these facts are 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.319 true. A lot of them are what we call gray facts. 00:24:28.650 --> 00:24:31.009 which we're just gonna move forward with and 00:24:31.009 --> 00:24:33.710 you can either read this as serious or a science 00:24:33.710 --> 00:24:37.349 fiction book either one's fine yeah i totally 00:24:37.349 --> 00:24:44.210 remember the gray the gray facts yeah because 00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:47.369 he couldn't prove any of them yeah and he barely 00:24:47.369 --> 00:24:49.609 had anybody giving him stories to like write 00:24:49.609 --> 00:24:52.829 the book either it was super weird that is so 00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:54.849 funny i forgot about that that is somebody who 00:24:54.849 --> 00:24:56.750 got reassessed when i re -listened to that episode 00:24:56.750 --> 00:24:59.460 now that i remember I got a nine for deception 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.279 and fabrication for that whole purpose from me, 00:25:02.420 --> 00:25:05.539 a nine for vibes, five for harm because not a 00:25:05.539 --> 00:25:08.380 lot of negative impact has come from the Montauk 00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:11.519 underground base, seven for grift because like 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:13.619 you straight up wrote that book specifically 00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:15.779 just to sell it. Not because you want to get 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:17.660 info out there, and eight for legacy because 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:20.099 Montauk is still talked about today, even as 00:25:20.099 --> 00:25:21.960 it's said in that description. Stranger Things 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.799 is based off the story of Montauk. Montauk within 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.240 everything I think is fairly high. I don't know 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.839 if it's just me as far as legacy goes, but I 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.339 mean look at Stranger Things. But it's no Area 00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:36.380 51. It's up there, but it's no Area 51. That's 00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:38.799 why it's an 8. That's true. The only thing I 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.079 would change, I do think he needs to come down. 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.980 And see I do have a problem with deception and 00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:46.019 fabrication because if I look through all my 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:49.319 stuff I rate most people who are assholes very 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.980 high on the deception and fabrication. Which 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:56.400 skews my whole total anyway. I would probably 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.640 take harm down a few pegs. I have it at seven. 00:25:59.660 --> 00:26:02.420 Otherwise, I think we're pretty on par. I have 00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:05.380 legacy one higher than you. I think harm for 00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:07.619 me is a little bit higher than I think it needs 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:10.259 to be because again, I don't know that he harmed 00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:14.059 anybody per se with this other than selling books 00:26:14.059 --> 00:26:17.039 and appearances and stuff. Yeah, it's one of 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.039 the like people don't go to Montauk to see the 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.119 base even. Yeah. Whereas like Area 51 has people 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.099 go to it. Yeah. In the end, if I was to go see 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.380 a lecture on something like this, first of all, 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:30.480 you're going to have, is it true? Was it not? 00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:32.680 When you go in there, right? If I were to find 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.460 out it's totally not true, I wouldn't be mad 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:36.920 that I spent 30 bucks and bought a book. It's 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.720 not like he was threatening my family or anything, 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.759 you know? Yeah. Or, you know, making you come 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:47.079 to a $10 ,000 a night UFO view party. Yeah, exactly. 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:50.599 Foreshadowing. I think I would bring him down 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.200 some pegs on reassessment of that. But Dylan 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.119 Asshole. I have him as a 38 overall. High, not 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.480 quite at that legacy level, and it's a name you 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.359 don't remember. Bill Moore, even with the boring 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.619 name, people will remember him. I don't think 00:27:03.619 --> 00:27:06.519 people remember Preston Nichols. But Montauk 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.859 is good. Montauk, yes. I don't know that many 00:27:08.859 --> 00:27:11.539 people would know Bill Moore, though, I wonder. 00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:13.420 It's hard to say. It's hard to say. That's what 00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:15.779 I was just about to say. Hard to say. Anyhow. 00:27:17.169 --> 00:27:19.490 Who's next? Well, I just wanted to say Copilot 00:27:19.490 --> 00:27:23.170 has him at a 39 but that puts him 19th overall 00:27:23.170 --> 00:27:25.289 in their list. Eights and seven across the board 00:27:25.289 --> 00:27:27.150 except for deception and fabrication where he 00:27:27.150 --> 00:27:29.230 scored a nine. I love how our scoring systems 00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:31.349 are so different. You can just assume from here 00:27:31.349 --> 00:27:33.609 on out that my deception and fabrication all 00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:36.410 tensed. See I still have a lot of variation in 00:27:36.410 --> 00:27:37.950 mine. I think this is where we're gonna cut the 00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:42.019 list off for the episode is this one here. Just 00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:44.960 missing out on the top 10 at number 11 for me, 00:27:45.339 --> 00:27:47.500 a very recent one so we can probably talk a lot 00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:51.900 about this, Rick Dyer, season 5 episode 72. Oh 00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:55.319 right, I was like who is he? Dyer is infamous 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.500 in the Bigfoot world for repeatedly staging hoaxes 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:01.420 including fake carcasses that he charged people 00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:04.140 to see. His achievement was briefly fooling media 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.720 outlets and drawing crowds with his stunts. His 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.609 asshole actions are serial. fabricating evidence, 00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:11.869 exploiting believers financially, and undermining 00:28:11.869 --> 00:28:15.210 genuine research with repeated scams. He's top 00:28:15.210 --> 00:28:18.730 10 for me. I gave him a 38 overall, and the only 00:28:18.730 --> 00:28:20.849 thing that is holding him back, like he got 9s 00:28:20.849 --> 00:28:23.490 and 8s across the board for me, 9 in deception, 00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:27.730 8 in vibes, 9 in grift, 8 in legacy. He's completely 00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:29.990 destroyed anybody who claims to have anything 00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:32.509 with regards to Bigfoot. Anybody coming forward 00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:35.130 from here on out is ruined by Rick Dyer. But 00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:38.220 he didn't do that much harm. I'm completely on 00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:41.380 board with all of that. He's at a 41 for me. 00:28:41.779 --> 00:28:44.420 Legacy, I have him on the lower end because I 00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:47.119 wouldn't know him if he said the name outside 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.319 of, you know, having this episode, though I do 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:54.519 know him by Bigfoot and the freezer guy. So maybe 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.500 he would be a little bit hot. I don't know. Weirdly 00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.859 that this episode finishes off on what we were 00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:04.589 discussing in the Fringy Mini. Oh, yeah. That's 00:29:04.589 --> 00:29:07.170 funny. And the other thing I was gonna say is 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.450 it's funny that he's back around in the Bigfoot 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:12.750 community again, though At least he wants to 00:29:12.750 --> 00:29:15.210 be who knows what's actually gonna happen But 00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:17.490 yeah, I just it's hard to say he did that much 00:29:17.490 --> 00:29:19.670 harm unless you're talking about like to the 00:29:19.670 --> 00:29:22.109 UFO community But I think that falls under legacy 00:29:22.109 --> 00:29:24.130 I think when you're talking about harmed a Bigfoot 00:29:24.130 --> 00:29:26.410 community overall that's falling under legacy 00:29:26.410 --> 00:29:29.410 He didn't actually harm anyone except that guy 00:29:29.410 --> 00:29:32.950 who got fired from the sheriff's office Yeah. 00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:36.130 Because he helped him fake a Bigfoot. I do not 00:29:36.130 --> 00:29:38.529 want anyone who helped fake a Bigfoot in the 00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:43.069 police department. I don't. I'm in agreeance 00:29:43.069 --> 00:29:46.029 with all of that. Total asshole. Copilot is kind 00:29:46.029 --> 00:29:49.970 of right in between us. So it has him at 13th 00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:53.339 overall. with a 40. A split in the hairs between 00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:55.900 us. Yep. The only thing holding him back is legacy 00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:57.799 on their list. Nines and eights across the board 00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.779 outside of that where he got a six. That's what 00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:03.059 I put him at for legacy as well. Six. Interesting. 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.519 I think he's just harmed the Bigfoot community 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.400 so much that like it can't be that low. No, I 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.339 think you're right. Absolutely. He just, if I 00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:16.720 think UFO, he's not top of mind. And I would 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.609 say that Melba Ketchum. I don't know that she 00:30:20.609 --> 00:30:23.490 did would do more for legacy if I think about 00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:26.269 it that way. Where is she? I gave her a six. 00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:29.069 She's lower on my list. I gave her a six as well. 00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:31.990 OK. Yeah. What did I have her down? Because we've 00:30:31.990 --> 00:30:34.549 already gone past her. I gave her a two. She's 00:30:34.549 --> 00:30:36.289 going to be forgotten, I guess. Technically, 00:30:36.509 --> 00:30:38.789 her signed paper is going to be cited a lot, 00:30:38.849 --> 00:30:41.970 though. Yeah, I think I'm good with the six for 00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:44.410 legacy, though, if you refer to him as Bigfoot 00:30:44.410 --> 00:30:46.549 in the freezer guy, I would maybe give him a 00:30:46.549 --> 00:30:48.980 higher legacy. Which, that's what he's known 00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:51.619 for. Although, I don't think technically he's 00:30:51.619 --> 00:30:54.079 my highest bigfoot asshole on this list. Although 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:55.880 that might be questionable whether or not you 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.480 consider my top guy in that category a bigfoot 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.539 asshole per se. I like where this is going. But 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:04.299 he's still, we got some time to get to there. 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.910 Yeah. I'm excited. I think that's where we're 00:31:07.910 --> 00:31:10.210 cutting this one. We're going into the top ten. 00:31:10.329 --> 00:31:12.690 We're gonna see some variation, but I think we're 00:31:12.690 --> 00:31:14.450 gonna have a lot of agreement that these people 00:31:14.450 --> 00:31:16.809 are definitely assholes. I wonder if we're gonna 00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:19.190 agree on number one. I bet we do. I don't think 00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:22.049 we are. I think we're gonna be close, but I don't 00:31:22.049 --> 00:31:25.089 think we do. That's disappointing. Okay, we'll 00:31:25.089 --> 00:31:27.930 see next week, I guess. I have been Taylor, here 00:31:27.930 --> 00:31:29.750 with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank 00:31:29.750 --> 00:31:31.289 you all for listening. We'll see you next week. 00:31:31.390 --> 00:31:31.650 Bye.