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on with our asshole list if somehow you have
stumbled upon this show on a part four of five,
I think. First off, you have a very interesting
way of listening to podcasts, but in any event,
I think we still want to accommodate you. We
have covered many assholes in depth on this show,
and we decided we wanted to rank them all from
lowest to highest asshole. We are now at 19th
on the list. We'll probably get to about 10 on
this episode. Ranking them with a score out of
50 based on five different categories out of
10. Deception and fabrication, exploitation,
harm and legacy. When we add those numbers up,
we get your asshole number and we tell you where
you fall on the list. Chelsea and I have each
ranked these people independently. We are going
off my list, learning where Chelsea and an independent
AI has placed these people in their ranking system.
Except when you're accidentally reading the wrong
list. Yep. Okay, at number 19, breaking the top
20, we have Wilhelm Reich, season two, episode
50. He was a psychoanalyst turned pseudoscientist
who promoted orgone energy. Oh, yeah, I know
who that is and sold devices to harness it. His
achievement was influencing fringe therapy and
counterculture movements. His asshole factor
lies in fabricating scientific claims, exploiting
followers with useless devices and misleading
people about health, though his legacy persists
in alternative therapy lore. And I will say this
is one of the episodes that I did Brush up on
during recordings, which you don't know how long
it was so I am fresh on Wilhelm Reich Even though
I didn't immediately recognize And this is somebody,
too, that I had to brush up on. I did it well
before the break, but he was much lower on my
list until I re -listened to that episode, and
man, I forgot what an asshole this guy was. Yeah,
he was a total asshole. Top notch. I probably
still underestimated him in my numbers. He got
an overall 34. Oh, mine's at 37. Okay. We're
in agreeance, pretty much. I gave him a 7 for
Fabrication and Deception because he got arrested
by the FDA for selling some - that he knew was
not medically tested and seemed a lie but like
even he had Albert Einstein look at it and said
yeah this thing doesn't do anything. I had him
at a straight 10 because there is nothing about
that that was legitimate. I had really low vibes
until I re -listened to that episode and I forgot
how crazy this guy went to the point where if
we ever make a joke about constantly doing math
to show our sanity this is the guy that we're
referencing. Because he wrote a letter to his
son that he has never been more sane because
he is constantly doing math. He was constantly
cheating on people, clearly breaking laws all
the time. He thought the government was out to
get him. It was so bizarre by the end. For harm,
I gave him a three. I didn't actually think that
he did that much harm. There was one quote in
that episode that I loved. It was a professor
from Oregon State or something like that whose
wife loved the Orgone machine. He's like, I know
it doesn't do anything, but it shuts her up for
four hours. Yeah, there's some people who definitely
took it for health matters that probably had
detrimental health issues because of it, but...
I don't think he was forcing harm on people.
It's hard to say. I probably should have put
it higher. Nah. Grig was a nine. He's pretty
damn high. Yeah, I have ten. And Orgo and Energy
is still used today, so I have that as a seven.
It's not prominent, but it's still there. The
only thing that I would add, I agree with you
on harm, I actually have them higher than I think
I would because, I mean, it's Orgo and Energy,
like, what the hell is he gonna do with that
from someone sitting in a chamber? Yeah, and
that's that whole thing. If he was doing something
that brought harm on them, I think it's different
than, like, this. benign thing that's more or
less just a placebo. Yeah. I mean, there is still
harm because he's taking money from people. Some
of them were desperate for a cure to what was
ailing them. Yeah. Other than that, I think we
are on the same page. That was just me ranking
higher than I should have. And we're weirdly
somewhat on the same page as co -pilot on this
one. Wilhelm Reich is 35th on their list, but
he got a 34. So we're all in agreeance on that
one. Right around the same spot, yeah. Chelsea,
I think this one's going to be contentious. Next
up on my list, Bill Moore. Interesting. Season
3, episodes 44, 46, 48, and 50. He got a deep
dive. Oh yeah, okay, why is he here? Bill Moore
co -authored the Roswell Incident, which helped
cement Roswell as the centerpiece of UFO mythology.
His achievements were popularizing the crash
narrative and shaping UFO discourse. His asshole
moves were secretly cooperating with the government
disinformation campaigns against Paul Benowitz
betraying the UFO community while profiting from
books and notoriety. His saving grace for me?
That didn't put him any higher. Again, he's a
34, but I do think he's slightly more of an asshole
than Ryke, so that's where he's at there. He
quit the UFO community. He did the 1989 Muthong
Conference and quit. Yeah. Like he didn't do
it again. You make a good point. Overall, like
I said, a 34. I gave him a 7 on deception and
vibes. Mostly because he knew he was being lied
to, but he thought he could figure it out. And
it's hard to tell when he was lying. But he definitely
lied to Benowitz. Gave him a 5 for vibes. I don't
get the worst vibes from him. Gave him an 8 for
harm because of what he did to Benowitz. Gave
him a 6 for grift just because we know there's
bigger grifters out there. And importantly, like
I said, he quit the UFO community. But he got
an 8 for legacy because a lot of what we see
today with what the UFO community is, is shaped
by Bill Moore. When you put it that way, you
know, he doesn't seem so diabolical like he had
this grand master plan You just kind of get from
him that he's just kind of an idiot that was
used as a pawn and he just kind of played the
part I ranked him a lot higher. I have a number
two on my list and I think that is mostly because
of the deception I gave him a 10 because of what
he did and that goes hand -in -hand with the
legacy of it. He had a pretty big hand in what
was going on and he has a huge hand in the UFO
lore that we still see today. So the reach is
ongoing of what he had his hand in and I think
the grift was high as well. Now harm I probably
have actually higher than it should be. I have
it at a nine and I think I came to that mostly
just because of like I just said it's still in
the UFO lore that we see today. The the people
he was working with on like the Roswell and stuff
like that, that's still something that's talked
about today. Yeah, he was the one where the bodies
were recovered at Roswell, right? Like 20 years
later. Yeah. Oh, there was so much. He's the
original finder of the MJ -12 documents and like
government archives. Yeah. And so to me, and
maybe that's why I ranked it. So Herm is, I think,
depending on who you're looking at, it can be
looked at him more than one way. I think I went
so high on it just because of the harm that he
did to the UFO community. He really discredited
pretty much everyone and everything. Right there
at the move on thing because he was held to such
high pristine within the community and it suddenly
just drops out of nowhere Yeah, so yeah, he's
number two on mine vibes though And now that
I look back like he does just have like idiot
vibes And I actually did learn like apparently
he was just a schoolteacher before he got into
the UFO community You get that kind of vibes
from him. Don't you just like he's a Bill Moore
the name. Yeah And you just wonder, like, did
he go back to teaching? I wonder what he's up
to today, huh? I think he's dead. I'm pretty
sure actually we talked about that. I can't remember.
That's not one I had to go back to to listen
to. He's pretty memorable. Yeah. For me. So I
had him at a two. What does AI have him at? Sorry.
And what's that give him as a score? Oh, I had
him at 47. Bill Moore for co -pilot. They have
him at a 38. Eights and sevens across the board.
That puts him 20th on their list. I would address
that. I'd probably take them down a vibe or two.
Maybe a harm notch down. So maybe I put him.
He's still high up on my list. And I do have
their description. So Morris deception and vibes
are high due to his betrayal of the UFO community
while profiting from Roswell. His grip is solid
with books and appearances and his harm comes
from spreading falsehoods. He's held back by
a weaker legacy remembered more for scandals
than enduring influence. That's a fair point,
but at the same time, a lot of the things that
we do remember from the UFO community just don't
have his name attached to them. Yeah, he has
some books that are still referred back to today
that people use. They might not use it as a source,
but the idea itself. And if you have Roswell
believing people around you, it's because of
Bill Moore. And they're not going to remember
that it's Bill Moore. They're not going to know
that that's where the idea comes from, but they
know the idea. Yeah. Next up on my list, Chelsea,
John Lear, season four, episodes 42 and 44. I
have John Lear. Oh, no, I need to read them.
I always get too excited to tell you my score
of people. John Lear, son of the Learjet founder,
became a prominent UFO conspiracy promoter in
the 1980s. I assume it is not the one ninety
and nineteen nineties. His achievement was popularizing
wild claims about secret bases, alien treaties,
and government coverups. His asshole factor comes
from fabricating stories, monetizing lectures,
and spreading misinformation that confused and
misled UFO communities. John Lear is tied at
34, but I do have this in the distinct order
of how I felt they should fall. John Lear gets
high deception and fabrication just because of
what he was doing behind the scenes and how many
people he's attached to. I don't get bad vibes
from him, although he does have that like fake
millionaire playboy persona to him. I think he
did pretty substantial harm, and in fact, he's
the last person to talk to Benowitz before he
got checked into the mental asylum. He grifts
hard. So I gave him an eight for that. And overall,
I do think he had a huge impact, a nine, on the
legacy of the UFO community. Yep. Like, weirdly,
he's attached to everybody in that time, whereas
Bill Moore seemed to be doing his own thing.
John Lear seemed to attach himself to everyone.
Yeah, I agree all of these like I didn't know
how to not give them a 10 forever like deception
and fabrication and Grift and legacy all of these
bigger assholes are all tense for stuff like
that for me for some reason I gave them a 7 for
vibes Yeah, I mean that's really where we're
differing. I have them pretty high in the deception
fabrication grift legacy Yeah, and I think that's
always where the biggest differences are gonna
be is in the vibe thing because it is fully a
how do you feel about this whole thing yeah I'm
not surprised that he's close to Bill Moore on
this just because he has a pretty far reach now
it's just not I don't know for some reason Bill
Moore his legacy just seems so much more grandiose
to me than John Lear I don't know maybe part
of like the legacy for me is like Jeremy Corbell
lived with him for a while and like breaks about
it so he's still shaping the community I forgot
about that. He's probably one I could have used
to listen on. And he's the one who brought George
Knapp into the UFO community, too, because he
was doing, like, basically Las Vegas crime stuff
for a long time, and then John Lear was his first
interview in the UFO. Fuck, I forgot about all
of that. And he fully admits to lying about a
ton of stuff, like, writing fake documents all
the time. Like there was one quote and it was
on Bill Cooper and he's like bill you got to
stop saying that you got this document from the
Navy I wrote it. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
Oh, yeah, he's an asshole. I stand by where I
have him He's fifth on my list co -pilot has
him at 25th on their list with the 36 eights
and sevens across the board Mostly sevens. And
it says, Lear scores high in deception and grift
for wild UFO claims and monetization. His legacy
is solid, influencing conspiracy lore. His vibes
are mid -length, seen as abrasive but not universally
toxic. He's held back by moderate harm since
his influence misled but didn't devastate. And
I have no idea where this is gonna fall on your
list, Chelsea. Next up... I have Pinkertons,
Season 4 Episode 2. Their total ranked on mine
is a 26. Pinkertons is a detective agency which
has become notorious for strike breaking and
anti -labor violence in the late 19th and early
20th centuries. Their achievements were building
one of the most powerful private security forces
in history. Their asshole actions include deception,
exploitation of workers, and direct harm through
violence and intimidation, leaving a legacy of
corporate coercion. And I think what made them
score so high I have them as a 35 overall. They
have super bad vibes and legitimately bad harm.
Like, they've killed many people. They have left
families destitute. They're still around doing
the same thing, and like, Pinkerton's showed
up as much as in the last five years at the door
of somebody who got the wrong Magic the Gathering
cards mailed to them. to basically intimidate
yeah don't you remember that like somebody got
magic the gathering cards that weren't supposed
to be released yet and they did a youtube video
on them and wizards of the coast hired pinkertons
to go intimidate them to take down the video
this is another one i could have used to brush
up on but now that you say that i remember however
i did match with your vibes and harm i have them
up at nine for vibes and eight for harm It was
just everything else. And I guess I just put
them at legacy as a four because I don't really
remember them. I remember they're bad dudes though.
I do remember that. I do have them as a 10 on
legacy because labor laws and rights across North
America are where they are because of Pinkertons.
Is it? Was it? I thought they were like investigators.
I guess I need - Well they are, but they're strikebreakers.
I think I'm gonna go back and re -listen to this
episode, even though I've already ranked them
as this. I think we're gonna have a lot of varying
views on legacy moving forward on my list, because
a lot of where we're at now got to where they
are because of such high legacy. Interesting.
Copilot has Pinkertons as seventh on their list
with a 42. Wow. They got nines and eights across
the board. Wow. Okay. I can't remember if I said
it. They scored a 35 overall for me. Who knows?
I might be in agreeance with everyone else once
I finish that episode. Re -listen. Next up, at
number 15 on the list, I have HPB, Helena Blavatsky.
Season 1, episode 16. Blavatsky co -founded the
Theosophical Society and authored the Secret
Doctrine, blending Eastern mysticism with fabricated
cosmology. Her achievement was creating one of
the most influential occult movements of the
19th century. Her asshole actions include fabricating
Mahatma letters, exploiting followers, and embedding
racialized esoteric hierarchies into her teachings,
leaving a problematic legacy. Insistently for
me. I do think she lied a ton I gave her a nine
for deception and fabrication seven for vibes
Probably would have been higher had this not
been like the thing of the day like her mysticism
is what was big in the late 1800s plus she has
ties to What's it called the society that theosophy
not theosophy the one that the Nazis really liked
and you saw that in her writings through the
episode as well with the racialized. I should
probably have gone back and listened to that
one. All I remember is I was really drunk near
the end of that episode. You know, but it may
not be noticeable because I did a good job editing
It's so funny though when you look back on some
of the stuff what sticks in your mind of what
doesn't HPB is pretty clear to me. I spent a
lot of time researching that one great episode
She's ranked 39th on mine also scoring pretty
high on deception fabrication as well as legacy
grift very high harm I do have higher on her
as well because it inspired breakoffs of her
teachings into what inspired it would have been
Himmler I think based on my Behind the Bastards
listings yeah I think he was the one who was
big into the occult big into it yeah which inspired
some stuff she's pretty high up on mine well
she overall she's 13th on mine So right around
the same spot, I have her 15th with a 36. Once
again, she got an 8 on Legacy. It might even
be higher. It's weird that Theosophy groups are
still around. I know, right? Still, just because
it's not the fringe of the day that I think holds
it back. I think you're right. Wow, right around
the same spot HPB is 9th on Copilot's list with
a 98789. Alright, next up is John Hutchison of
The Hutchison Effect, Season 5, Episode 28. Yeah,
we just did him. Oh, I have him pretty low, actually.
He has a score on mine of 25. And I think it
might be because it's local lore that made me
give him a little bit higher score, so Hutchison
gained notoriety for The Hutchison Effect, a
supposed set of anomalous physics phenomena.
His achievement was capturing media attention
and inspiring fringe science enthusiasts. His
asshole actions include staging demonstrations
that couldn't be replicated, misleading audiences,
and monetizing pseudoscience through devices
and appearances. And yes, he might be a little
mundane, but I get such weird vibes from him.
He's one of the few 10 out of 10 vibes I gave.
Like just such a weird guy picking fights with
the local municipality and like the Army of Canada
like super weird eight on deception and fabrication
because he's straight up making all of it up
six on harm and ten on legacy four on grift and
I gave him such a high legacy because So many
times we look at a story people try to use the
Hutchison effect to explain it That's true. I
didn't think of it that way. I gave him Lower
overall like completely an non memorable person
That's why I gave him low on legacy. I can fully
agree with a low legacy, but the Hutchison effect
is going to live on a long time, unfortunately.
That's true. And it's kind of like what we were
just talking about with Bill Moore. It's people
use it to back something up or where they know
it from, but they have no idea where it's coming
from. And it's not his name. They're not using
him to back it up, but they're using the Hutchison
effect. Like, but they have no idea the details
behind it or where it's come from or anything
like that. Interesting. Co -pilot has him real
low on their list. Sorry, what was your overall
score? Twenty... Yeah, I think you did say a
25. I have a 38. So he's 37. He's pretty high
up there. Co -pilot seems to agree more with
you. He's 38th on their list with a 33. 86676.
I'm also enjoying how much our ranking systems
differ. It's pretty great. Well, and that's the
beautiful thing about all these individuals.
They are very different and everybody gets a
different thing from them. Yeah. Number 13 on
my list is Romana de Dula, season four, episode
16, and many fringy minis in between. She's 11
on mine. Not that far off. No, not at all. She's
ranked on mine 39 is my total. And I have her
as a 38, so we are not that far. Beautiful. Romana
de Dula declared herself the Queen of Canada,
issuing fake decrees and soliciting money from
followers. Her achievement was briefly gaining
notoriety in QAnon -adjacent circles. Her asshole
actions are extreme, fabricating authority, exploiting
vulnerable people financially and causing real
-world harm through manipulation and false promises.
She scored very high for me on vibes and deception
and fabrication because everything is so made
up and she's issuing money. for her followers
to use but not use they gotta wait for her to
tell them I have her high on everything pretty
much and then legacy I tanked her I gave her
a four on legacy probably could have been lower
too harm was an eight the people she is harming
it's fairly substantial but it's an incredibly
small group Yeah I have her 10 deception, vibes
8, harm 8, grift 10, legacy 3. And I gave her
a 7 on grift because they have to live out of
that RV. I guess they got technically given like
an abandoned school but like she's not living
high off of the money she's making off of this.
She's just not doing that good of a job so you
ranked her a little lower. Basically. Okay I
can get behind that. If she would have got somebody
rich to follow her, then yes, full ten. Like,
she's trying to grift so hard. And if anybody
ever accepts her money as currency, then yes,
ten. Hard. But until that day, she's not quite
there yet. Also, I think our only dip into the
QAnon group so far. I don't think they've come
up anywhere else. Co -pilot has put Romana at
number three on its list. Oh shit. 9 for deception,
10 for vibes, 10 for harm, 8 for rift, 7 for
legacy. So a 44 overall. Nice. I can't dispute
you, Copilot, but that is a reasonable assertion,
but didn't give me a description of why. That's
okay. You did your part. Yeah. We'll forgive
him. Him. Now this one I did relisten to this
episode But I still can't quite remember why
I put this so high Chelsea at number 12 I have
Preston Nichols season 2 episode 46 about Montauk
Oh, I have him high. He's on six on mine. That
seems like a mistake Nichols co -authored the
Montauk project book which claims secret government
experiments in time travel mind control and alien
technology His achievement was creating a sprawling
mythos that inspired pop culture, including stranger
things. His asshole actions include fabricating
elaborate tales, monetizing them through books
and appearances, and misleading audiences into
believing his stories were factual accounts of
government abuse. Yes, and now I'm remembering
it. Chelsea, you did this episode. You started
his book off with, not all of these facts are
true. A lot of them are what we call gray facts.
which we're just gonna move forward with and
you can either read this as serious or a science
fiction book either one's fine yeah i totally
remember the gray the gray facts yeah because
he couldn't prove any of them yeah and he barely
had anybody giving him stories to like write
the book either it was super weird that is so
funny i forgot about that that is somebody who
got reassessed when i re -listened to that episode
now that i remember I got a nine for deception
and fabrication for that whole purpose from me,
a nine for vibes, five for harm because not a
lot of negative impact has come from the Montauk
underground base, seven for grift because like
you straight up wrote that book specifically
just to sell it. Not because you want to get
info out there, and eight for legacy because
Montauk is still talked about today, even as
it's said in that description. Stranger Things
is based off the story of Montauk. Montauk within
everything I think is fairly high. I don't know
if it's just me as far as legacy goes, but I
mean look at Stranger Things. But it's no Area
51. It's up there, but it's no Area 51. That's
why it's an 8. That's true. The only thing I
would change, I do think he needs to come down.
And see I do have a problem with deception and
fabrication because if I look through all my
stuff I rate most people who are assholes very
high on the deception and fabrication. Which
skews my whole total anyway. I would probably
take harm down a few pegs. I have it at seven.
Otherwise, I think we're pretty on par. I have
legacy one higher than you. I think harm for
me is a little bit higher than I think it needs
to be because again, I don't know that he harmed
anybody per se with this other than selling books
and appearances and stuff. Yeah, it's one of
the like people don't go to Montauk to see the
base even. Yeah. Whereas like Area 51 has people
go to it. Yeah. In the end, if I was to go see
a lecture on something like this, first of all,
you're going to have, is it true? Was it not?
When you go in there, right? If I were to find
out it's totally not true, I wouldn't be mad
that I spent 30 bucks and bought a book. It's
not like he was threatening my family or anything,
you know? Yeah. Or, you know, making you come
to a $10 ,000 a night UFO view party. Yeah, exactly.
Foreshadowing. I think I would bring him down
some pegs on reassessment of that. But Dylan
Asshole. I have him as a 38 overall. High, not
quite at that legacy level, and it's a name you
don't remember. Bill Moore, even with the boring
name, people will remember him. I don't think
people remember Preston Nichols. But Montauk
is good. Montauk, yes. I don't know that many
people would know Bill Moore, though, I wonder.
It's hard to say. It's hard to say. That's what
I was just about to say. Hard to say. Anyhow.
Who's next? Well, I just wanted to say Copilot
has him at a 39 but that puts him 19th overall
in their list. Eights and seven across the board
except for deception and fabrication where he
scored a nine. I love how our scoring systems
are so different. You can just assume from here
on out that my deception and fabrication all
tensed. See I still have a lot of variation in
mine. I think this is where we're gonna cut the
list off for the episode is this one here. Just
missing out on the top 10 at number 11 for me,
a very recent one so we can probably talk a lot
about this, Rick Dyer, season 5 episode 72. Oh
right, I was like who is he? Dyer is infamous
in the Bigfoot world for repeatedly staging hoaxes
including fake carcasses that he charged people
to see. His achievement was briefly fooling media
outlets and drawing crowds with his stunts. His
asshole actions are serial. fabricating evidence,
exploiting believers financially, and undermining
genuine research with repeated scams. He's top
10 for me. I gave him a 38 overall, and the only
thing that is holding him back, like he got 9s
and 8s across the board for me, 9 in deception,
8 in vibes, 9 in grift, 8 in legacy. He's completely
destroyed anybody who claims to have anything
with regards to Bigfoot. Anybody coming forward
from here on out is ruined by Rick Dyer. But
he didn't do that much harm. I'm completely on
board with all of that. He's at a 41 for me.
Legacy, I have him on the lower end because I
wouldn't know him if he said the name outside
of, you know, having this episode, though I do
know him by Bigfoot and the freezer guy. So maybe
he would be a little bit hot. I don't know. Weirdly
that this episode finishes off on what we were
discussing in the Fringy Mini. Oh, yeah. That's
funny. And the other thing I was gonna say is
it's funny that he's back around in the Bigfoot
community again, though At least he wants to
be who knows what's actually gonna happen But
yeah, I just it's hard to say he did that much
harm unless you're talking about like to the
UFO community But I think that falls under legacy
I think when you're talking about harmed a Bigfoot
community overall that's falling under legacy
He didn't actually harm anyone except that guy
who got fired from the sheriff's office Yeah.
Because he helped him fake a Bigfoot. I do not
want anyone who helped fake a Bigfoot in the
police department. I don't. I'm in agreeance
with all of that. Total asshole. Copilot is kind
of right in between us. So it has him at 13th
overall. with a 40. A split in the hairs between
us. Yep. The only thing holding him back is legacy
on their list. Nines and eights across the board
outside of that where he got a six. That's what
I put him at for legacy as well. Six. Interesting.
I think he's just harmed the Bigfoot community
so much that like it can't be that low. No, I
think you're right. Absolutely. He just, if I
think UFO, he's not top of mind. And I would
say that Melba Ketchum. I don't know that she
did would do more for legacy if I think about
it that way. Where is she? I gave her a six.
She's lower on my list. I gave her a six as well.
OK. Yeah. What did I have her down? Because we've
already gone past her. I gave her a two. She's
going to be forgotten, I guess. Technically,
her signed paper is going to be cited a lot,
though. Yeah, I think I'm good with the six for
legacy, though, if you refer to him as Bigfoot
in the freezer guy, I would maybe give him a
higher legacy. Which, that's what he's known
for. Although, I don't think technically he's
my highest bigfoot asshole on this list. Although
that might be questionable whether or not you
consider my top guy in that category a bigfoot
asshole per se. I like where this is going. But
he's still, we got some time to get to there.
Yeah. I'm excited. I think that's where we're
cutting this one. We're going into the top ten.
We're gonna see some variation, but I think we're
gonna have a lot of agreement that these people
are definitely assholes. I wonder if we're gonna
agree on number one. I bet we do. I don't think
we are. I think we're gonna be close, but I don't
think we do. That's disappointing. Okay, we'll
see next week, I guess. I have been Taylor, here
with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank
you all for listening. We'll see you next week.
Bye.