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Just ranking assholes again. We got a lot of
assholes ahead of us. It's so much fun. It is
so much fun. And weirdly, like, a lot of episodes
that, like, we're, I don't think we, like, think
about our episodes as much as we should. Outside
of, like, these are episodes that we've covered.
Well, not like this. Yeah. Like, in this much.
So it's, it's, I think it's a lot of fun. And
especially, like. It's refreshing. This gives
you guys, like, great things to go back to, too,
and realize that we are just great podcasters.
Like, just accept it. It's true. It's very true.
So I'll remind you all because we're in part
three of what is likely a five -part series,
but I need to stop speculating on how many numbers
because I've probably gotten it wrong multiple
times in here. Anyhow. We are ranking every one
of the people that we've covered in a asshole
ranking based on a score out of 50, based on
five different factors. Deception and fabrication,
vibes, harm, grift, and legacy. We have started
from the bottom. We're working our way up. We
are at number 29 on the list. And Chelsea, are
you ready for this? Taylor's 29. Yeah. Who is
it? Who is it? Alistair Crowley. at season one
episode 17. oh i have him at oh much well kind
of lower than yours at 36. now crowley the self
-styled great beast was a prolific occultist
and founder of the lima His achievement was shaping
modern esotericism and influencing generations
of mystics, artists, and counterculture movements.
His asshole factors come from exploiting followers,
fabricating mystical results, and fostering manipulative,
fault -like environments that often left adherents
psychologically scarred. And that's probably
the part I didn't put enough ranking into, is
he probably did hurt quite a few people, but
I gave him an overall score of 26. He has very
high legacy. He is still talked about today,
still taken seriously. And whenever we say with
a K, it is because of Alistair Crowley, whether
it be magic or demons or like... Demons with
a K. With a K. But I gave him very low deception
because I think he believed pretty much everything
he was talking about. He got weird vibes. I got
a six on vibes. He did have some harms. I gave
him a four and he did have some grift, but that's,
he got a 26 for me. He got the lowest on grift
for me. And you know what? I still think he made
some money from it. So I couldn't put him that
low. I think that was his whole thing, actually.
So I don't know why I scored him so low on Griff.
Probably because I thought he should be higher
on the others. But I gave him two low on legacies.
So he could be up a couple notches on mine because
you're right. He does still have a very high
legacy. I'm not sure why I ranked him at a three.
That's a fair point. He definitely doesn't seem
like he should be at a three. No, that like is
a name. Or if you say Alistair Crowley, there's
a good chance people know who you're talking.
yeah most people we say demon with an a and magic
with a k yeah and everybody knows what we're
talking about it's the alistair crowley experience
so he could probably be ranked as a higher legacy
than bruce jernan So yeah, I might rank him actually
probably around the exact same as you if I were
to kick him up some notches on the legacy because
that was definitely a misnomer on my behalf.
Okay. And of course, Copilot has put him at sixth
on their list with an overall score of 42. You
know, I don't disagree with that. No, and I do
think this is somebody who could be ranked in
so far of a spectrum. Yeah. No, I completely
agree with that. Oh, and they didn't put down
why. So we just got accepted. I think we just
got accepted. It's up there. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
that was quick. Okay. Next up, I have at 28,
Jamie Spears. Season three, episodes 36, 38,
and 40. And I really forgot that we did three
episodes on Britney Spears. Yeah. It was a lot.
Those were some fun episodes. Do you want to
tell us who Jamie Spears is? I'm going to tell
you who Jamie Spears is. I wonder how many people
who didn't listen to Britney Spears were expecting
that to be there or were wondering who Jamie
Spears was. Spears is infamous for controlling
Britney Spears' finances and autonomy under a
conservatorship. His achievement was legal authority
over one of the world's biggest pop stars, his
daughter. His asshole actions include exploiting
her career for profit, causing long -term psychological
harm, and symbolizing systematic abuse of conservatorship
law. I gave him overall a 27. Highest score being
in Deception and Fabrication at an 8 and a 7
in Vibes. But Harm and Griff were both at 5.
Legacy's at 2 because I don't think this is out
of the ordinary for the Hollywood community.
Yeah. What was your total, sorry? 27. He's at
29 for me. Okay. Legacy, very low because without
Britney Spears, you wouldn't know who he was.
And just overall looking at... who we're ranking
I mean no and I I do think the outlier no and
when you're talking about like conservatorships
I don't think they're gonna ever call it like
the Jamie Spears protocol or something like that
it's not out of the ordinary for Hollywood unfortunately
Yeah. Deception and fabrication. I mean, I gave
it a five because there was some. I put it high.
And this is the whole thing. These episodes weren't
really about Jamie Spears. They were all about
Britney Spears. Britney Spears, yes. So you don't
know that much about him. But unfortunately,
and this is like, even whenever you're looking
at this outside of court proceedings, Jamie's
a fairly private individual. I gave him a nine
on vibes. Yeah. Six on harm. The only thing holding
him back in my mind is it's one individual. Exactly.
That's literally what I was just going to say.
And I gave him eight for a grift because he,
boy, did he ever take advantage of her. Yeah.
So yeah. But again, it's limited to one person.
So that's why I kept it lower. But it's a very
extreme rift on that one person. I get that.
Yeah, yeah. So I have him at 29. So yeah, I think
we think very similarly about him as well. What
does AI say you? AI says 16th overall with a
score of 40. Okay, so... Based on how high they're
ranking everyone. And again, didn't give me a
description of it, but his highest scores were
in vibes and harm, which makes a lot of sense
from what we were discussing. Yeah. Yeah. I think
that score, given how high they're giving the
total for everyone, I think it is on par with
us. Okay. Chelsea, next up at my 27th, and I
think we're going to have to talk a lot about
this one because I think I did a poor job of
putting it in our spreadsheet. Yeah. And I think
it's going to change how. What do you think I'm
going to say now that I said that? For the next
person? Yes. How you put it on our spreadsheet.
I don't know. At 27th on my list, surprisingly
enough, at 27 as a score. This is like the median
right here. I have Admiral Bird and Kin. Oh,
I was wondering where he was going to come up
for you. And I'm really curious how you took
that as well for how I wrote that. Well, why
don't we read who he's about and I'll tell you
what mine is. Because I keep screaming mine out.
He's from season three, episode four. Thank you.
You're welcome. Sometimes you get to know some
things you don't. Admiral Byrd was a polar explorer
whose expeditions were later mythologized into
hollow earth lore. His achievements were genuine
exploration and military service. His asshole
factors come from how his name was co -opted
and defabricated. Conspiracy narratives, though
Byrd himself didn't exploit believers directly,
but his grandson freaking did. And that's why
I put and kin. i didn't actually pay attention
to the end yes and i know that's likely where
that came up and when i was trying to figure
out who that was and i distinctly remember this
guy because he wears such weird suits admiral
bird's like relative who talks about him still
and griffs off him could not find anything about
him can't remember who he is trying to figure
it out still but he showed up here Anyhow, I
gave him a 27. Highest being Grift because of
that family member. After that, Legacy because
Admiral Bird comes up. Especially when you talk
about Hollow Earth and Antarctica. Although those
aren't the biggest conspiracy worlds, so they're
not that big. It has to be one of my favorite
stories. Yeah. Yeah. He scored highest for me
in Legacy. He has a total of 17 for me. Yeah,
and that's because you were only taking Admiral
Byrd into account. I did not even... And I should
have mentioned that. I didn't even read him.
It's definitely there. I didn't even read it,
though. Because was his grandson in our episode?
I believe he was. I was trying to find it because,
again, we've done two episodes, and I started
listening to the Antarctica one, and I couldn't
find him in there. So I think it was the Hull
of Worth episode where he showed up. i can't
remember and we don't know and i honestly i can't
even remember what his name was because i was
trying to find it and couldn't so it's no you're
right actually now that i'm thinking about it
somebody leaked his like put his journals out
yeah yeah and then like he is somebody who goes
around he does the tours with it and like his
entire thing is unrelated to admiral bird so
and he wears a three -piece suit he's very weird
Oh, this sounds very, very familiar, but I don't
remember. It's season three. Deception and Fabrication,
I put at a five. And it's not because of the
story. It's because of the spin on it now. Yeah.
And the implications. There's nothing wrong with
the story, as I'm sure he tells it. It's now
the evidence towards something that it's being
used for. Vibes are a two. I don't think he was
necessarily an asshole. Harm? Meh, it's low.
Grift? Meh, it's low for Admiral Byrd. Yeah,
you're not taking into account and kin. Yeah,
no, I was not taking into account and kin. And
hey, neither did Copilot, because this is the
second lowest on their list, and clearly somewhere
where, as people in my life say, I need to communicate
better. No, it's not. It was right there for
me to read, so it's no fault of yours. Yeah,
but also I could have actually just made it the
kin, but I couldn't remember the episode, so
I didn't put it that way. I wanted to make it
like this is a group thing, but. It's not that
low for like, he's low for me. He's not bottom
of the list though, because of the lore. Yeah.
And that, that person afterwards takes advantage
of the lore and then raises the stakes. And that's
why I get where you're coming from. Yeah. And
co -pilot got the exact same interpretation as
you. Cause it's the second lowest on their list.
See, and I just didn't remember the like kin.
having anything to do with it so if i would have
remembered that and listened to the episode you
very well could have been higher okay now next
up on my list at 26 is ed walters of the golf
breeze incident season 5 last year episode 50
what was the score you gave him again ed walters
got a 29 and 26 oh i have him at 29 nice wow
tied 29 29 Walters claimed to photograph UFOs
over Gulf Breeze, Florida, sparking a wave of
sightings. His achievement was briefly convincing
UFO researchers and media of his story. His asshole
actions include staging photos with props, profiting
from books and tours, and misleading communities
with fabricated evidence. So overall, I gave
him a 29, as we just said. high as being deception
second highest being vibes and grift at seven
and legacy i gave him a three because it is still
somewhat remembered and especially he had those
books and he did have some harm but not a lot
i gave him a four yeah i'm pretty much right
on par eight seven four seven three I'm 98363.
Oh yeah, pretty much the same. We're a point
off on most things. He reminds me a lot of Billy
Meyer. Yes, but without the continued story.
Yeah, without the higher harm and higher grift
legacy. He's just like a shittier Billy Meyer.
Although Copilot didn't give me a description
of him, they put him at... 33 on their list with
a score of 34 86677 so right basically the exact
same thing we just said interesting this is the
first one we all agree on yeah pretty much i'm
noting it we all agree co -pilot gave ed walters
a higher legacy that's about it okay and chelsea
next up on the list at 25 and probably the most
forgettable of the people we've covered just
because It was in passing, and it's L .A. Marzulli.
Okay, this is the one that I don't, like, I know
L .A. Marzulli. What is he in? What episode?
He's the Giants guy. Oh, season three, episode
60. He's the Giants guy. So then he's high up
there for Deception. Yeah. Let's give him an
eight. Let's vibe him at... He's talking giants.
Alay Marzulli is a Christian UFO theorist who
promotes Nephilim and End Times narratives. His
achievement is carving out a niche in biblical
fringe circles. Asshole Factor comes from fabricating
biblical UFO connections, monetizing fear about
books, fear through books and DVDs, and misleading
believers and pseudoscientific claims. With pseudoscientific
claims. Have we done a full episode? No, and
it was just when we were talking about the Afghan
giant. Or the giant of Kabul. Is that what it
is? He came up as the person who brought those
stories forward. Kandahar. Kandahar giant. Thank
you. He was the one who brought it forward on
Coast to Coast AM. So we haven't fully covered
him, but like he is just somebody who's willing
to take anything and just run with it. So long
as it fits his like Christian Nephilim area.
Season three, episode 60. If I didn't say it,
just making sure. gave him eight on vibes and
eight on grift seven on deception four on harm
because like this isn't something that's that
yeah three on legacy because he's not gonna be
remembered and we had trouble remembering who
he was both of us Now that you say that, yeah.
And he's forgettable to me because it's not something
I'm like too interested in. We're not big on
giants. I've heard his name over and over again.
I will agree with your ranking. I do think he's
lower on the harm. Yeah, giant people don't do
that much harm. No. These are more people that
you see just for the grift. Pretty much. Just
for, you know, this is a niche nobody talks about.
I'm an expert on it. I can get on coast to coast.
I can write books because no one else is really
doing it. Yeah. I fully agree with all that.
Yeah. So I agree with your ranking on that one,
actually. And yeah, this was one you did not
rank, correct? Because you could not remember
who this was. Right. Yeah. If I would have gone
to the Giants... And it's funny because that's
your episode, too. Yeah. I don't remember talking
about them. Yeah. Copilot has him at 21 with
a 37. 87787, so a fairly consistent 7 .5, I guess.
Let's see if they gave me. They did not give
me a description, and I think that's basically
what I said. Yeah, I'm in total agree with what
you said. I'm glad you remembered them. Next
up, at 24, Chelsea, I have Robert Bigelow. Ooh,
I think you have him a lot higher than I had
him. Yes, but I think we're very easily going
to talk about why. And he was actually lower,
but I was reading a book where his name came
up a lot and I was like, oh, this makes a lot
of sense where I have grift way too low. So why
don't you give us the description for him? Bigelow
is a billionaire who funded UFO and paranormal
research through Bigelow Aerospace and the National
Institute for Discovery Science. His achievement
was bringing serious money into fringe research,
including Skinwalker Ranch investigations. His
asshole actions include exploiting believers
by controlling findings, creating paywalled mystique,
and skewing research towards sensationalism rather
than transparency. So, the reason he is so high
on my list. First off he is a billionaire so
vibes just immediately get very high. He got
an 8 on vibes. He got a 7 on grift and it might
not seem like it because he's putting money into
paranormal research but he has been getting government
contracts through this including nids. Including
likely he's getting money from To The Stars Academy
for several things that I've recently learned
about. But anyhow, he's in this for still a profit
in my mind, which is why he's still high on Korea.
He was also getting the government grants for
the aerospace technology that he was working
on. Yeah, for building those like expandable
tents in space, basically. And I gave him a very
high legacy because he's going to be remembered
in this community. Yes, absolutely. He has made
a mark on this community. I have him at a five
for legacy. He's not really done anything himself.
He's just kind of put the money. He hires people.
Yeah. Yeah. If I had money, I would probably
see myself doing the same thing. I remember the
episode. We had a little bit differing opinions
on it as well. You made some very good points.
that I didn't originally see, which kind of swayed
me in this as well. He's still fairly low to
me, though. And I do still have him low on harm
and deception. On deception, I have him as a
two. On harm, I have him a four. Yeah, I think
I have him very low on deception as well. I have
him at a two deception. But that doesn't mean
I don't. I think he likes the thing he's looking
at, but he needs to make a profit off it. So
that's where everything comes from. Yeah, no,
you're completely right. And I remember that
how the episode was going. And it's something
that I didn't necessarily consider in the research
that I was doing as well. Yeah. With the kind
of millionaire billionaire aspect to him. It's
something I don't really want to see and you
force me to see. Even in my numbers right here,
I didn't take that into account, unfortunately.
More for the fact that I don't want to because
of the implications that it does have. So if
I were to take it into account, he would be much
higher. And sorry, where is he on your list?
I scored him at a 22. 22, and what's that put
him at? 33. Okay. And you're actually even lower
than Copilot because Copilot has him at 28 with
35. Any explanation or no? Let's take a look.
Yes. Bigelow scores high in Grift and Legacy
for funding UFO research in Skinwalker Ranch.
His deception is moderate, more enabler than
Hoaxer. His vibes are middling, seen as eccentric
billionaire. He's held back by moderate harm
since his influence amplified nonsense but didn't
ruin lives. You all make very good points. And
it's not something that shows up in my marking
at all, unfortunately. It should. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. Yeah. Which is the same way I did my episode.
This is my first Bigfoot person, Chelsea. Hold
on. Who do I have to come up? There's one person
I still have fairly low that I'm surprised has
not come up. Is it the ketchup? It's Dr. Melbo
Ketchup, yes. I re -listened to the episode.
Season 5, episode 8. And I had to laugh because
I searched. Her name wrong and Ketchup came up
on the episode. I did listen to her. Ketchup
is a veterinarian and geneticist who claimed
to have sequenced Bigfoot DNA. Her achievement
was briefly gaining credibility in cryptid circles
by presenting her findings as scientific proof.
Her asshole action was publishing flawed, non
-peer -reviewed work and monetizing it, misleading
believers and damaging scientific discourse around
cryptids. Overall, I gave her a fairly high deception
and fabrication. Eight high fives, especially
once you start to get into the pushback era for
her. Six for harm, just because she has completely
damaged Bigfoot research. Seven for grift. I
don't know if she made money, and that's the
thing where maybe that should be lower. But she
went on so many podcasts about this afterwards
that I was like, she's really trying to monetize
this. And then I gave her a two for legacy because
I don't think this is going to be remembered
at all. But at the same time, Bigfoot people
are going to use this research as support for
their position for a long time. Position 23 on
my list, 31 overall for a score. Yeah, I ranked
her at a 34. I ranked her a little bit higher
on the deception and fabrication. I gave her
a 10. Yeah, that's fair. She was really, really
bad. For somebody who should know better. Yeah,
I scored her a little bit skewed as per what
you gave her on harm and legacy. And I realized
I probably need to maybe switch those around.
And sorry, I think I missed it. Season five,
episode eight. Yeah, I gave her a two for harm,
but I agree with you. I think she did a lot of
harm within the community is what you're thinking.
I was just thinking in general, she didn't hurt
anybody. But yeah, I would agree with that. And
therefore, I gave her a six for legacy. I'm going
to bring her down a couple. Still evening it
out at 34, I would say. But, I mean, she did
leave a lasting legacy on the fact of what she
did. She will. Bigfoot research will not be taken
seriously. And people within the Bigfoot community
are going to hold her up for a long time as this
research paper. You still hear it talked about.
No, and I agree. I probably scored it a little
low for legacy, too. She's a total asshole, though.
She's definitely a total asshole that belongs
on this list. Co -pilot, of course, gave her
a... Let's take a look. Oh, you know what? 34,
putting her at 32 on their list. Wow. Yeah, I
gave it a 31. We're all kind of in agreement,
and I have an explanation. Ketchum scores high
in deception for her flawed Bigfoot DNA study.
Her grift is moderate, monetizing through publications.
Her legacy is middling, remembered in cryptid
circles. Her vibes are middling, seen as defensive,
but not universally toxic. She's held back by
moderate harm since her claims misled but didn't
devastate. Yeah. So another one we all agree.
Pretty much. Yeah. Okay. Number 22, Chelsea.
Who do you got? Prepare yourself for this. Who
do I have at 22? Okay, I'm at my 22. Okay. George
Norrie. No. Season 4, episode 12. Okay. George
Norrie for me. I gave him a 32 overall. Why don't
you read your description and then we'll talk.
Oh, I just X'd out of my sheet. Okay, I'll do
it really quick and you can get it open. Nori
is best known as the longtime host of Coast to
Coast AM, the radio show that became the biggest
platform for UFOs, paranormal claims, and fridge
personalities. His achievement is keeping fringe
topics in mainstream circulation, giving airtime
to countless voices. His asshole factor comes
from platforming dubious claims without vetting,
profiting from sensationalism, and normalizing
pseudoscience for millions of listeners. yep
i gave him overall a 32 and he scored high in
three categories vibes i got bad vibes from him
i harm i gave him a seven and most of all he
is my highest tied for highest at a 10 grift
Because, man, is he always trying to make money.
Man, yeah. And he, yeah, I would agree that he's
high for the grift. I have him at a 10 for grift.
And... Oh, sorry. And last and most importantly,
I gave him a three for both of deception and
fabrication, because again, I do think he's lazy
and he's not actually making up the grift. He's
just accepting. Exactly. I put him at a three
for grift. And importantly, three for legacy,
because I think once he retires, people are going
to. I gave him three for legacy as well. He's
not making a mark on what he's doing. I think
a lot of people are getting really pissed off
with him. I also think he's on par as well. He's
taken over for Art Bell. Oh, hold on. Oh, you're
on my list, yeah. That's why you agree. How much
do you agree? On almost everything. Son of a
bitch. I gave him a two for deception and fabrication.
Yeah, because he's doing it himself. He just
is too lazy to stop people. Is he harming anybody?
Probably. It should probably be higher because,
well, they say they're the highest syndicated
talk show radio program or some shit like that.
But how many syndications are actually out there
nowadays that people are listening to? Grift,
I have it a seven. Yes. Legacy, I have it a zero.
And so to continue my train of thought, he's
coming off Art Bell. Yeah, people always will
remember Art Bell. Art Bell. they will not made
something memorable art bell didn't even want
nori to take over i don't think they got along
at all no deception and fabrication i put it
at two because i honestly think he has no interest
in the people that he has on the show and he
puts no real thought into the responses that
he's ever had they're all in agreeance no and
the only thing i know about him is he's conservative
yeah because Whenever he gets people on who have
anything that might be progressive, he shits
on them. And that's it. He had somebody on who
was like a vegetarian and he kept asking like
the stupidest questions. But when I was listening
to it, it's like he didn't even listen. He might
have had somebody give him some questions to
ask, but that's why he gets low on deception
for me because... he couldn't like what is he
deceiving like he has no interest in what he's
doing vibes too because he's boring as fuck he
told the same stories over and over again there
is nothing intrinsically interesting about the
man at all he burnt his throat on like a hot
hot pocket once and we heard about it forever
that was an entire like five episodes harm Two,
who is he harming? Grift, it's up there. Seven.
Legacy, zero. Thirteen. Everybody he harms is
over 70 years old. That's the thing. So, like,
it's not going to have lasting impact on society.
Here's the thing. He's low on my list, but not
because he's not an asshole. It's because he's
a boring asshole that doesn't... His impact is
pretty low. It's a very low impact. He doesn't
give a shit about anything. And the grift is
high. Like, he started that dating... app oh
god i forgot about that he has dr wallach on
that does nothing paranormal date yeah like the
grift is so high with that guy and that's literally
pretty much the only thing giving him points
on this total he has no personality he shouldn't
be hosting coast to coast am like he's just he
should retire yeah like if he had retired 10
years ago he might be okay to remember but we're
well past that yeah and that's what's making
him an asshole one mine is the lack of anything
at least the other guys scoring low on my list
have some sort of opinion and personality yeah
but he just he doesn't have it he doesn't have
it and that's that's where he got on mine just
due to that yeah co -pilot has this at george
nori is 31st on their list with 34 and they say
nori scores high in legacy for hosting coast
to coast am shaping paranormal radio That doesn't
make him an asshole, though. His deception is
moderate. He platformed hoaxers but didn't invent
claims. His vibes are middling. Scene is affable
but opportunistic. He's held back by lower harm
since he amplified nonsense more than causing
direct damage. Yeah, I think we're all in agreeance.
And while our scores are wildly off, I think
we're all in agreeance with who he is as a person.
Okay, Chelsea, next up on my list. At 21 is Richard
C. Holland. Season three, episodes five and six.
Now we're getting up there. Yeah. I have him
ranked at a 24. Ranked at 24 or score of 24?
His score is 24. Oh, okay. No, hold on. Hold
on. His score is 31. Yeah. Okay. I have 32. Perfect.
Yeah. Oh, perfect. We agree. Yeah. Now, why don't
you tell us about Richard C. Holland? Oh, yeah.
I guess I could tell you about him. Who was it
that he mentored? David Wilcock. He was talking
about Richard C. Hoagland the other day. Hoagland
is best known for promoting the face on Mars
and other speculative NASA cover -up theories.
His achievement was keeping space anomalies in
the public eye and inspiring curiosity about
Mars. His asshole actions include presenting
pseudoscience as fact, exploiting media appearances
and monetizing sensational claims through books
and lectures, misleading audiences for decades.
And this is one of those people where I had much
lower on the list until I re -listened to the
episodes. And I forgot what a big asshole Richard
Hoagland was. I remember him as being an asshole.
Yeah. He absolutely would take claims, make them
his own, and say he was the first person to ever
talk about anything. And his... I don't know
how, but he ended up with friends such as Carl
Sagan, one of the foremost astronomers of his
day, who he got to pretend to be giving ideas
to. So overall, I gave Richard Hoagland the biggest
thing he got. He got quite a few eights. He got
eight on deception fabrication because he stole
and also didn't really check his sources or care
about things being wrong. Eight on vibes because
he was an asshole. exactly the same three on
harm because there wasn't a big deal on that
okay eight on griff because he was making money
off it like a lot of money five on legacy because
at the end of the day i don't think he is going
to be remembered that much and his biggest claim
to fame is sidonia the face on mars And I don't
think it's going to be remembered that long.
Totally in agreeance with everything that you're
saying. I gave him a less of a legacy. The thing
with all these UFO grifters is what harm are
they actually doing other than just. Yeah. And
it's me, right? It's people who enjoy listening
to stuff like this, which I do. I will totally
give it to you. I love some of these stories
that I know are totally made up. Other people
probably don't know that they're made up and
they actually believe them. But I still like
the Serpo story. I'm sorry. I love Serpo, even
though it is Richard Doty. I don't know why.
It's definitely Richard Doty. But it's just things
like that. So I see no harm in it inherently.
If Richard Doty was only known for the Serpo
story, he wouldn't even make this list. I know.
He would be a lovable asshole. Here we are at
20 something in the 20s and like not even talking
about Richard Doty yet. He's not showing up for
a while still. I know it. Yeah, I had to go back
and listen to it. And I realized the deception
that Richard C. Hoagland was known for that I
completely forgot about. And the fact that he
had a high school degree. He had no background
in anything. and yet he still was like the scientific
person for so many people because he was a weird
manipulator and he got kicked off coast to coast
for a while And that is a very hard thing to
do. I forgot about that. Yeah. See, and if I
would have listened to the episode, maybe I would
have ranked him higher, but I didn't. But I'm
just going off my vibes on this one. And I totally
remember the vibes from the episode that he was
a total asshole. Yeah. And Chelsea, I think this
is going to be the last one we're going to do.
For my number 20, I have Stanley Tiger Romanek.
Season 3, episode 22. Where do I have him? Ooh,
I have him in the top 10. Wait, he's not in here.
Anyhow, Stanley Tiger was very well known as,
yeah, the first J3 documentary video done where
he put several alien face masks in windows and
they were not there. He very clearly made it
up and then he ended up having to go to jail.
Sorry. Did he go to jail? I can't remember. I
should really write this down. I think he did
go to jail for it came to light at the end of
the filming when the documentary was being released
that he was found guilty of pedophilia. Yeah.
Anyhow, with Stan Romanek, I gave him a 10 for
deception, 10 for vibes because man, those are
off. Yep. 8 for harm because he is like, it's
hard to not give somebody who is the pedophilia
charges high. Yep. But after that, I gave him
a two for grift because he couldn't take advantage
of it. And a three for legacy because it could
be forgotten for in the UFO community. Okay,
here's where we differ. Seven for vibes because
a pedophile is not going to be low for asshole
vibes. And I gave him a 10 for grift because
he went to elaborate means to falsify all of
this, to document all of this. He had puppets.
He had fake phone calls. He had the works. Well,
he did, but it was only for one documentary.
He never had the opportunity to fully grift.
And that's why he scored so low for me. The effort
was there. So he still scored very high for me.
No, he didn't. You're right. That's part of the
technicality of it. But I went with intent. Yeah.
Fair enough. So that's why he's high on mine.
I don't know why I still went lower on vibes
at a seven. That's still high. I went seven for
vibes. Cause he seems kind of like an idiot.
Yeah. Because maybe I went lower on vibes because
he presented all of this shit as fact and you
watch the documentary and it is. Oh yeah. This
is awful. Yeah. This guy definitely, definitely
made this up. It's like when you're 10 years
old, and you have the camcorder, which kids aren't
going to know what that even is. And you like
make up your own little thing like Gumby and
Pokey. Yeah. And it's like, you know, one of
these things that you're like, wow, this is so
good. And it's not good at all. And it just legacy
for. And the only reason it gets a four is because
literally they continued with production after
this guy was tried and convicted as a pedophile.
Yeah. And how bad it is. And Copilot does agree
with you. They put him at number five on their
list. Romanek maxes out vibes in Harundu's toxic
personality, exploitation, and criminal charges.
His deception is extreme with fabricated abduction
evidence. His rift was strong with books and
appearances. His legacy is weaker, remembered
mostly for scandal. He's held back by fading
influence. And with that, we're going to get
in the top 20 after this for me. We'll see you
guys next week. I've been Taylor, here with Chelsea.
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