WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.400 From the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:15.779 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:15.779 --> 00:00:18.660 to Journey to the Fringe. Hey, we're behind you. 00:00:18.739 --> 00:00:23.280 No, never mind. We're here in our podcast areas. 00:00:23.859 --> 00:00:27.920 Just ranking assholes again. We got a lot of 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:30.320 assholes ahead of us. It's so much fun. It is 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:34.329 so much fun. And weirdly, like, a lot of episodes 00:00:34.329 --> 00:00:36.570 that, like, we're, I don't think we, like, think 00:00:36.570 --> 00:00:40.049 about our episodes as much as we should. Outside 00:00:40.049 --> 00:00:41.969 of, like, these are episodes that we've covered. 00:00:42.270 --> 00:00:45.070 Well, not like this. Yeah. Like, in this much. 00:00:45.130 --> 00:00:47.390 So it's, it's, I think it's a lot of fun. And 00:00:47.390 --> 00:00:49.240 especially, like. It's refreshing. This gives 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.759 you guys, like, great things to go back to, too, 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.799 and realize that we are just great podcasters. 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.640 Like, just accept it. It's true. It's very true. 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:01.520 So I'll remind you all because we're in part 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.099 three of what is likely a five -part series, 00:01:04.219 --> 00:01:06.359 but I need to stop speculating on how many numbers 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.159 because I've probably gotten it wrong multiple 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.980 times in here. Anyhow. We are ranking every one 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:14.219 of the people that we've covered in a asshole 00:01:14.219 --> 00:01:16.739 ranking based on a score out of 50, based on 00:01:16.739 --> 00:01:19.159 five different factors. Deception and fabrication, 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:24.060 vibes, harm, grift, and legacy. We have started 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:26.719 from the bottom. We're working our way up. We 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:32.019 are at number 29 on the list. And Chelsea, are 00:01:32.019 --> 00:01:34.640 you ready for this? Taylor's 29. Yeah. Who is 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.930 it? Who is it? Alistair Crowley. at season one 00:01:37.930 --> 00:01:43.909 episode 17. oh i have him at oh much well kind 00:01:43.909 --> 00:01:48.069 of lower than yours at 36. now crowley the self 00:01:48.069 --> 00:01:50.810 -styled great beast was a prolific occultist 00:01:50.810 --> 00:01:53.730 and founder of the lima His achievement was shaping 00:01:53.730 --> 00:01:56.730 modern esotericism and influencing generations 00:01:56.730 --> 00:01:59.590 of mystics, artists, and counterculture movements. 00:01:59.769 --> 00:02:02.230 His asshole factors come from exploiting followers, 00:02:02.530 --> 00:02:05.890 fabricating mystical results, and fostering manipulative, 00:02:05.969 --> 00:02:08.469 fault -like environments that often left adherents 00:02:08.469 --> 00:02:10.270 psychologically scarred. And that's probably 00:02:10.270 --> 00:02:13.509 the part I didn't put enough ranking into, is 00:02:13.509 --> 00:02:16.330 he probably did hurt quite a few people, but 00:02:16.330 --> 00:02:20.530 I gave him an overall score of 26. He has very 00:02:20.530 --> 00:02:23.509 high legacy. He is still talked about today, 00:02:23.710 --> 00:02:27.069 still taken seriously. And whenever we say with 00:02:27.069 --> 00:02:30.129 a K, it is because of Alistair Crowley, whether 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:33.330 it be magic or demons or like... Demons with 00:02:33.330 --> 00:02:39.689 a K. With a K. But I gave him very low deception 00:02:39.689 --> 00:02:42.729 because I think he believed pretty much everything 00:02:42.729 --> 00:02:47.000 he was talking about. He got weird vibes. I got 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.400 a six on vibes. He did have some harms. I gave 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.479 him a four and he did have some grift, but that's, 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.659 he got a 26 for me. He got the lowest on grift 00:02:56.659 --> 00:02:58.360 for me. And you know what? I still think he made 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.159 some money from it. So I couldn't put him that 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.539 low. I think that was his whole thing, actually. 00:03:02.699 --> 00:03:05.180 So I don't know why I scored him so low on Griff. 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.280 Probably because I thought he should be higher 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.759 on the others. But I gave him two low on legacies. 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.479 So he could be up a couple notches on mine because 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.259 you're right. He does still have a very high 00:03:16.259 --> 00:03:18.539 legacy. I'm not sure why I ranked him at a three. 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.580 That's a fair point. He definitely doesn't seem 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:26.400 like he should be at a three. No, that like is 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.419 a name. Or if you say Alistair Crowley, there's 00:03:28.419 --> 00:03:29.860 a good chance people know who you're talking. 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.159 yeah most people we say demon with an a and magic 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.500 with a k yeah and everybody knows what we're 00:03:37.500 --> 00:03:39.939 talking about it's the alistair crowley experience 00:03:39.939 --> 00:03:42.840 so he could probably be ranked as a higher legacy 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:49.759 than bruce jernan So yeah, I might rank him actually 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.520 probably around the exact same as you if I were 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.159 to kick him up some notches on the legacy because 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.039 that was definitely a misnomer on my behalf. 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.520 Okay. And of course, Copilot has put him at sixth 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:07.180 on their list with an overall score of 42. You 00:04:07.180 --> 00:04:09.840 know, I don't disagree with that. No, and I do 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:11.680 think this is somebody who could be ranked in 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.699 so far of a spectrum. Yeah. No, I completely 00:04:15.699 --> 00:04:18.100 agree with that. Oh, and they didn't put down 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:21.319 why. So we just got accepted. I think we just 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.420 got accepted. It's up there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.199 that was quick. Okay. Next up, I have at 28, 00:04:29.420 --> 00:04:33.319 Jamie Spears. Season three, episodes 36, 38, 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.259 and 40. And I really forgot that we did three 00:04:36.259 --> 00:04:39.720 episodes on Britney Spears. Yeah. It was a lot. 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.800 Those were some fun episodes. Do you want to 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:43.379 tell us who Jamie Spears is? I'm going to tell 00:04:43.379 --> 00:04:46.079 you who Jamie Spears is. I wonder how many people 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.259 who didn't listen to Britney Spears were expecting 00:04:48.259 --> 00:04:50.759 that to be there or were wondering who Jamie 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.579 Spears was. Spears is infamous for controlling 00:04:54.579 --> 00:04:58.180 Britney Spears' finances and autonomy under a 00:04:58.180 --> 00:05:01.480 conservatorship. His achievement was legal authority 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.259 over one of the world's biggest pop stars, his 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:07.680 daughter. His asshole actions include exploiting 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.800 her career for profit, causing long -term psychological 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:15.720 harm, and symbolizing systematic abuse of conservatorship 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.860 law. I gave him overall a 27. Highest score being 00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:22.980 in Deception and Fabrication at an 8 and a 7 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:26.079 in Vibes. But Harm and Griff were both at 5. 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:28.639 Legacy's at 2 because I don't think this is out 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.959 of the ordinary for the Hollywood community. 00:05:31.459 --> 00:05:34.560 Yeah. What was your total, sorry? 27. He's at 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.300 29 for me. Okay. Legacy, very low because without 00:05:38.300 --> 00:05:41.139 Britney Spears, you wouldn't know who he was. 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.480 And just overall looking at... who we're ranking 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.899 I mean no and I I do think the outlier no and 00:05:47.899 --> 00:05:49.759 when you're talking about like conservatorships 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:51.740 I don't think they're gonna ever call it like 00:05:51.740 --> 00:05:54.500 the Jamie Spears protocol or something like that 00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:57.379 it's not out of the ordinary for Hollywood unfortunately 00:05:58.659 --> 00:06:01.279 Yeah. Deception and fabrication. I mean, I gave 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.879 it a five because there was some. I put it high. 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.620 And this is the whole thing. These episodes weren't 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:08.819 really about Jamie Spears. They were all about 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:11.540 Britney Spears. Britney Spears, yes. So you don't 00:06:11.540 --> 00:06:13.779 know that much about him. But unfortunately, 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.000 and this is like, even whenever you're looking 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.459 at this outside of court proceedings, Jamie's 00:06:18.459 --> 00:06:21.980 a fairly private individual. I gave him a nine 00:06:21.980 --> 00:06:27.550 on vibes. Yeah. Six on harm. The only thing holding 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:30.810 him back in my mind is it's one individual. Exactly. 00:06:31.110 --> 00:06:33.230 That's literally what I was just going to say. 00:06:33.350 --> 00:06:35.790 And I gave him eight for a grift because he, 00:06:36.089 --> 00:06:39.649 boy, did he ever take advantage of her. Yeah. 00:06:39.810 --> 00:06:42.550 So yeah. But again, it's limited to one person. 00:06:42.589 --> 00:06:44.949 So that's why I kept it lower. But it's a very 00:06:44.949 --> 00:06:47.089 extreme rift on that one person. I get that. 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.199 Yeah, yeah. So I have him at 29. So yeah, I think 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.240 we think very similarly about him as well. What 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.860 does AI say you? AI says 16th overall with a 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:03.620 score of 40. Okay, so... Based on how high they're 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:04.879 ranking everyone. And again, didn't give me a 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.279 description of it, but his highest scores were 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:10.939 in vibes and harm, which makes a lot of sense 00:07:10.939 --> 00:07:13.439 from what we were discussing. Yeah. Yeah. I think 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:17.060 that score, given how high they're giving the 00:07:17.060 --> 00:07:19.420 total for everyone, I think it is on par with 00:07:19.420 --> 00:07:23.519 us. Okay. Chelsea, next up at my 27th, and I 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:25.040 think we're going to have to talk a lot about 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.439 this one because I think I did a poor job of 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.910 putting it in our spreadsheet. Yeah. And I think 00:07:30.910 --> 00:07:33.709 it's going to change how. What do you think I'm 00:07:33.709 --> 00:07:37.149 going to say now that I said that? For the next 00:07:37.149 --> 00:07:41.910 person? Yes. How you put it on our spreadsheet. 00:07:42.730 --> 00:07:46.350 I don't know. At 27th on my list, surprisingly 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:50.009 enough, at 27 as a score. This is like the median 00:07:50.009 --> 00:07:53.310 right here. I have Admiral Bird and Kin. Oh, 00:07:53.350 --> 00:07:55.350 I was wondering where he was going to come up 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:57.949 for you. And I'm really curious how you took 00:07:57.949 --> 00:08:00.310 that as well for how I wrote that. Well, why 00:08:00.310 --> 00:08:02.550 don't we read who he's about and I'll tell you 00:08:02.550 --> 00:08:05.009 what mine is. Because I keep screaming mine out. 00:08:05.170 --> 00:08:07.810 He's from season three, episode four. Thank you. 00:08:08.329 --> 00:08:10.990 You're welcome. Sometimes you get to know some 00:08:10.990 --> 00:08:13.810 things you don't. Admiral Byrd was a polar explorer 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.569 whose expeditions were later mythologized into 00:08:16.569 --> 00:08:19.290 hollow earth lore. His achievements were genuine 00:08:19.290 --> 00:08:22.350 exploration and military service. His asshole 00:08:22.350 --> 00:08:24.730 factors come from how his name was co -opted 00:08:24.730 --> 00:08:26.790 and defabricated. Conspiracy narratives, though 00:08:26.790 --> 00:08:29.209 Byrd himself didn't exploit believers directly, 00:08:29.509 --> 00:08:33.889 but his grandson freaking did. And that's why 00:08:33.889 --> 00:08:37.379 I put and kin. i didn't actually pay attention 00:08:37.379 --> 00:08:40.480 to the end yes and i know that's likely where 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:42.399 that came up and when i was trying to figure 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.039 out who that was and i distinctly remember this 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.059 guy because he wears such weird suits admiral 00:08:48.059 --> 00:08:50.659 bird's like relative who talks about him still 00:08:50.659 --> 00:08:53.980 and griffs off him could not find anything about 00:08:53.980 --> 00:08:56.179 him can't remember who he is trying to figure 00:08:56.179 --> 00:08:59.559 it out still but he showed up here Anyhow, I 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:02.580 gave him a 27. Highest being Grift because of 00:09:02.580 --> 00:09:05.200 that family member. After that, Legacy because 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.340 Admiral Bird comes up. Especially when you talk 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:10.700 about Hollow Earth and Antarctica. Although those 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:13.659 aren't the biggest conspiracy worlds, so they're 00:09:13.659 --> 00:09:16.600 not that big. It has to be one of my favorite 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.299 stories. Yeah. Yeah. He scored highest for me 00:09:20.299 --> 00:09:24.299 in Legacy. He has a total of 17 for me. Yeah, 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.139 and that's because you were only taking Admiral 00:09:26.139 --> 00:09:27.519 Byrd into account. I did not even... And I should 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.460 have mentioned that. I didn't even read him. 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:32.379 It's definitely there. I didn't even read it, 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.159 though. Because was his grandson in our episode? 00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:39.100 I believe he was. I was trying to find it because, 00:09:39.139 --> 00:09:41.340 again, we've done two episodes, and I started 00:09:41.340 --> 00:09:42.840 listening to the Antarctica one, and I couldn't 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:44.879 find him in there. So I think it was the Hull 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.220 of Worth episode where he showed up. i can't 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:49.860 remember and we don't know and i honestly i can't 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:51.899 even remember what his name was because i was 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:55.580 trying to find it and couldn't so it's no you're 00:09:55.580 --> 00:09:57.899 right actually now that i'm thinking about it 00:09:57.899 --> 00:10:01.320 somebody leaked his like put his journals out 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.559 yeah yeah and then like he is somebody who goes 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.820 around he does the tours with it and like his 00:10:07.820 --> 00:10:10.460 entire thing is unrelated to admiral bird so 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:13.240 and he wears a three -piece suit he's very weird 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.580 Oh, this sounds very, very familiar, but I don't 00:10:17.580 --> 00:10:21.340 remember. It's season three. Deception and Fabrication, 00:10:21.379 --> 00:10:25.059 I put at a five. And it's not because of the 00:10:25.059 --> 00:10:30.039 story. It's because of the spin on it now. Yeah. 00:10:30.179 --> 00:10:33.340 And the implications. There's nothing wrong with 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:37.360 the story, as I'm sure he tells it. It's now 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.639 the evidence towards something that it's being 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.460 used for. Vibes are a two. I don't think he was 00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:47.639 necessarily an asshole. Harm? Meh, it's low. 00:10:47.899 --> 00:10:51.610 Grift? Meh, it's low for Admiral Byrd. Yeah, 00:10:51.669 --> 00:10:54.429 you're not taking into account and kin. Yeah, 00:10:54.490 --> 00:10:56.990 no, I was not taking into account and kin. And 00:10:56.990 --> 00:10:59.149 hey, neither did Copilot, because this is the 00:10:59.149 --> 00:11:01.610 second lowest on their list, and clearly somewhere 00:11:01.610 --> 00:11:05.330 where, as people in my life say, I need to communicate 00:11:05.330 --> 00:11:09.250 better. No, it's not. It was right there for 00:11:09.250 --> 00:11:11.450 me to read, so it's no fault of yours. Yeah, 00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:13.690 but also I could have actually just made it the 00:11:13.690 --> 00:11:16.230 kin, but I couldn't remember the episode, so 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:18.750 I didn't put it that way. I wanted to make it 00:11:18.750 --> 00:11:22.169 like this is a group thing, but. It's not that 00:11:22.169 --> 00:11:26.649 low for like, he's low for me. He's not bottom 00:11:26.649 --> 00:11:31.190 of the list though, because of the lore. Yeah. 00:11:31.210 --> 00:11:35.750 And that, that person afterwards takes advantage 00:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.649 of the lore and then raises the stakes. And that's 00:11:39.649 --> 00:11:41.950 why I get where you're coming from. Yeah. And 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:44.669 co -pilot got the exact same interpretation as 00:11:44.669 --> 00:11:47.230 you. Cause it's the second lowest on their list. 00:11:47.289 --> 00:11:50.250 See, and I just didn't remember the like kin. 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.740 having anything to do with it so if i would have 00:11:53.740 --> 00:11:55.659 remembered that and listened to the episode you 00:11:55.659 --> 00:11:58.539 very well could have been higher okay now next 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:02.580 up on my list at 26 is ed walters of the golf 00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:06.080 breeze incident season 5 last year episode 50 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.860 what was the score you gave him again ed walters 00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:13.899 got a 29 and 26 oh i have him at 29 nice wow 00:12:13.899 --> 00:12:18.389 tied 29 29 Walters claimed to photograph UFOs 00:12:18.389 --> 00:12:21.190 over Gulf Breeze, Florida, sparking a wave of 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:23.970 sightings. His achievement was briefly convincing 00:12:23.970 --> 00:12:28.049 UFO researchers and media of his story. His asshole 00:12:28.049 --> 00:12:32.509 actions include staging photos with props, profiting 00:12:32.509 --> 00:12:35.070 from books and tours, and misleading communities 00:12:35.070 --> 00:12:37.850 with fabricated evidence. So overall, I gave 00:12:37.850 --> 00:12:41.440 him a 29, as we just said. high as being deception 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.340 second highest being vibes and grift at seven 00:12:45.340 --> 00:12:48.980 and legacy i gave him a three because it is still 00:12:48.980 --> 00:12:50.899 somewhat remembered and especially he had those 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:54.220 books and he did have some harm but not a lot 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:57.519 i gave him a four yeah i'm pretty much right 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:02.429 on par eight seven four seven three I'm 98363. 00:13:02.590 --> 00:13:06.049 Oh yeah, pretty much the same. We're a point 00:13:06.049 --> 00:13:10.549 off on most things. He reminds me a lot of Billy 00:13:10.549 --> 00:13:14.090 Meyer. Yes, but without the continued story. 00:13:14.629 --> 00:13:19.250 Yeah, without the higher harm and higher grift 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:22.730 legacy. He's just like a shittier Billy Meyer. 00:13:23.009 --> 00:13:25.049 Although Copilot didn't give me a description 00:13:25.049 --> 00:13:28.879 of him, they put him at... 33 on their list with 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.639 a score of 34 86677 so right basically the exact 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.039 same thing we just said interesting this is the 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.080 first one we all agree on yeah pretty much i'm 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.639 noting it we all agree co -pilot gave ed walters 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:46.220 a higher legacy that's about it okay and chelsea 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:51.419 next up on the list at 25 and probably the most 00:13:51.419 --> 00:13:53.080 forgettable of the people we've covered just 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.529 because It was in passing, and it's L .A. Marzulli. 00:13:56.649 --> 00:14:00.509 Okay, this is the one that I don't, like, I know 00:14:00.509 --> 00:14:04.009 L .A. Marzulli. What is he in? What episode? 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:06.110 He's the Giants guy. Oh, season three, episode 00:14:06.110 --> 00:14:10.889 60. He's the Giants guy. So then he's high up 00:14:10.889 --> 00:14:13.990 there for Deception. Yeah. Let's give him an 00:14:13.990 --> 00:14:17.600 eight. Let's vibe him at... He's talking giants. 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.419 Alay Marzulli is a Christian UFO theorist who 00:14:20.419 --> 00:14:22.940 promotes Nephilim and End Times narratives. His 00:14:22.940 --> 00:14:25.100 achievement is carving out a niche in biblical 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:28.360 fringe circles. Asshole Factor comes from fabricating 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.299 biblical UFO connections, monetizing fear about 00:14:31.299 --> 00:14:33.940 books, fear through books and DVDs, and misleading 00:14:33.940 --> 00:14:37.240 believers and pseudoscientific claims. With pseudoscientific 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.740 claims. Have we done a full episode? No, and 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:42.899 it was just when we were talking about the Afghan 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:46.350 giant. Or the giant of Kabul. Is that what it 00:14:46.350 --> 00:14:49.409 is? He came up as the person who brought those 00:14:49.409 --> 00:14:53.110 stories forward. Kandahar. Kandahar giant. Thank 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:55.509 you. He was the one who brought it forward on 00:14:55.509 --> 00:14:59.129 Coast to Coast AM. So we haven't fully covered 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:02.350 him, but like he is just somebody who's willing 00:15:02.350 --> 00:15:04.789 to take anything and just run with it. So long 00:15:04.789 --> 00:15:09.190 as it fits his like Christian Nephilim area. 00:15:10.009 --> 00:15:12.389 Season three, episode 60. If I didn't say it, 00:15:12.409 --> 00:15:16.289 just making sure. gave him eight on vibes and 00:15:16.289 --> 00:15:20.470 eight on grift seven on deception four on harm 00:15:20.470 --> 00:15:22.450 because like this isn't something that's that 00:15:22.450 --> 00:15:25.210 yeah three on legacy because he's not gonna be 00:15:25.210 --> 00:15:26.950 remembered and we had trouble remembering who 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:29.730 he was both of us Now that you say that, yeah. 00:15:29.850 --> 00:15:32.529 And he's forgettable to me because it's not something 00:15:32.529 --> 00:15:34.990 I'm like too interested in. We're not big on 00:15:34.990 --> 00:15:37.990 giants. I've heard his name over and over again. 00:15:38.129 --> 00:15:42.450 I will agree with your ranking. I do think he's 00:15:42.450 --> 00:15:46.190 lower on the harm. Yeah, giant people don't do 00:15:46.190 --> 00:15:49.730 that much harm. No. These are more people that 00:15:49.730 --> 00:15:53.720 you see just for the grift. Pretty much. Just 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.399 for, you know, this is a niche nobody talks about. 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.460 I'm an expert on it. I can get on coast to coast. 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:01.620 I can write books because no one else is really 00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:04.200 doing it. Yeah. I fully agree with all that. 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.659 Yeah. So I agree with your ranking on that one, 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:09.659 actually. And yeah, this was one you did not 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:11.019 rank, correct? Because you could not remember 00:16:11.019 --> 00:16:13.860 who this was. Right. Yeah. If I would have gone 00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:15.360 to the Giants... And it's funny because that's 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.299 your episode, too. Yeah. I don't remember talking 00:16:18.299 --> 00:16:21.840 about them. Yeah. Copilot has him at 21 with 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:27.840 a 37. 87787, so a fairly consistent 7 .5, I guess. 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.720 Let's see if they gave me. They did not give 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.419 me a description, and I think that's basically 00:16:32.419 --> 00:16:36.120 what I said. Yeah, I'm in total agree with what 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.580 you said. I'm glad you remembered them. Next 00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:43.700 up, at 24, Chelsea, I have Robert Bigelow. Ooh, 00:16:43.820 --> 00:16:46.340 I think you have him a lot higher than I had 00:16:46.340 --> 00:16:49.929 him. Yes, but I think we're very easily going 00:16:49.929 --> 00:16:52.269 to talk about why. And he was actually lower, 00:16:52.490 --> 00:16:55.830 but I was reading a book where his name came 00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:58.429 up a lot and I was like, oh, this makes a lot 00:16:58.429 --> 00:17:00.990 of sense where I have grift way too low. So why 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:03.009 don't you give us the description for him? Bigelow 00:17:03.009 --> 00:17:06.130 is a billionaire who funded UFO and paranormal 00:17:06.130 --> 00:17:09.349 research through Bigelow Aerospace and the National 00:17:09.349 --> 00:17:12.309 Institute for Discovery Science. His achievement 00:17:12.309 --> 00:17:15.650 was bringing serious money into fringe research, 00:17:15.769 --> 00:17:18.950 including Skinwalker Ranch investigations. His 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:21.710 asshole actions include exploiting believers 00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:25.750 by controlling findings, creating paywalled mystique, 00:17:25.750 --> 00:17:29.089 and skewing research towards sensationalism rather 00:17:29.089 --> 00:17:31.789 than transparency. So, the reason he is so high 00:17:31.849 --> 00:17:34.529 on my list. First off he is a billionaire so 00:17:34.529 --> 00:17:37.369 vibes just immediately get very high. He got 00:17:37.369 --> 00:17:42.190 an 8 on vibes. He got a 7 on grift and it might 00:17:42.190 --> 00:17:44.890 not seem like it because he's putting money into 00:17:44.890 --> 00:17:48.289 paranormal research but he has been getting government 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:51.750 contracts through this including nids. Including 00:17:51.750 --> 00:17:55.329 likely he's getting money from To The Stars Academy 00:17:55.329 --> 00:17:57.950 for several things that I've recently learned 00:17:57.950 --> 00:18:01.650 about. But anyhow, he's in this for still a profit 00:18:01.650 --> 00:18:04.630 in my mind, which is why he's still high on Korea. 00:18:04.670 --> 00:18:07.710 He was also getting the government grants for 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:10.869 the aerospace technology that he was working 00:18:10.869 --> 00:18:12.710 on. Yeah, for building those like expandable 00:18:12.710 --> 00:18:17.829 tents in space, basically. And I gave him a very 00:18:17.829 --> 00:18:20.329 high legacy because he's going to be remembered 00:18:20.329 --> 00:18:23.779 in this community. Yes, absolutely. He has made 00:18:23.779 --> 00:18:26.339 a mark on this community. I have him at a five 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.940 for legacy. He's not really done anything himself. 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.940 He's just kind of put the money. He hires people. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.019 Yeah. Yeah. If I had money, I would probably 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.339 see myself doing the same thing. I remember the 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:43.099 episode. We had a little bit differing opinions 00:18:43.099 --> 00:18:46.299 on it as well. You made some very good points. 00:18:46.940 --> 00:18:50.240 that I didn't originally see, which kind of swayed 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.920 me in this as well. He's still fairly low to 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:58.740 me, though. And I do still have him low on harm 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:01.440 and deception. On deception, I have him as a 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.700 two. On harm, I have him a four. Yeah, I think 00:19:04.700 --> 00:19:07.579 I have him very low on deception as well. I have 00:19:07.579 --> 00:19:11.240 him at a two deception. But that doesn't mean 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.799 I don't. I think he likes the thing he's looking 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.160 at, but he needs to make a profit off it. So 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.539 that's where everything comes from. Yeah, no, 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:22.059 you're completely right. And I remember that 00:19:22.059 --> 00:19:24.440 how the episode was going. And it's something 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:28.880 that I didn't necessarily consider in the research 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:33.299 that I was doing as well. Yeah. With the kind 00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:37.160 of millionaire billionaire aspect to him. It's 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.500 something I don't really want to see and you 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:43.259 force me to see. Even in my numbers right here, 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.119 I didn't take that into account, unfortunately. 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.779 More for the fact that I don't want to because 00:19:49.779 --> 00:19:52.619 of the implications that it does have. So if 00:19:52.619 --> 00:19:56.019 I were to take it into account, he would be much 00:19:56.019 --> 00:19:58.180 higher. And sorry, where is he on your list? 00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:01.519 I scored him at a 22. 22, and what's that put 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:05.859 him at? 33. Okay. And you're actually even lower 00:20:05.859 --> 00:20:08.519 than Copilot because Copilot has him at 28 with 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:13.289 35. Any explanation or no? Let's take a look. 00:20:13.410 --> 00:20:16.309 Yes. Bigelow scores high in Grift and Legacy 00:20:16.309 --> 00:20:18.730 for funding UFO research in Skinwalker Ranch. 00:20:18.990 --> 00:20:22.009 His deception is moderate, more enabler than 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:24.390 Hoaxer. His vibes are middling, seen as eccentric 00:20:24.390 --> 00:20:27.650 billionaire. He's held back by moderate harm 00:20:27.650 --> 00:20:30.630 since his influence amplified nonsense but didn't 00:20:30.630 --> 00:20:33.670 ruin lives. You all make very good points. And 00:20:33.670 --> 00:20:35.769 it's not something that shows up in my marking 00:20:35.769 --> 00:20:38.410 at all, unfortunately. It should. Yeah, I know. 00:20:38.509 --> 00:20:42.819 Yeah. Yeah. Which is the same way I did my episode. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:48.339 This is my first Bigfoot person, Chelsea. Hold 00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:53.539 on. Who do I have to come up? There's one person 00:20:53.539 --> 00:20:55.940 I still have fairly low that I'm surprised has 00:20:55.940 --> 00:21:00.940 not come up. Is it the ketchup? It's Dr. Melbo 00:21:00.940 --> 00:21:04.319 Ketchup, yes. I re -listened to the episode. 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.420 Season 5, episode 8. And I had to laugh because 00:21:07.420 --> 00:21:10.619 I searched. Her name wrong and Ketchup came up 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:17.240 on the episode. I did listen to her. Ketchup 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.099 is a veterinarian and geneticist who claimed 00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:22.779 to have sequenced Bigfoot DNA. Her achievement 00:21:22.779 --> 00:21:25.119 was briefly gaining credibility in cryptid circles 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.859 by presenting her findings as scientific proof. 00:21:28.099 --> 00:21:30.680 Her asshole action was publishing flawed, non 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.299 -peer -reviewed work and monetizing it, misleading 00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:36.119 believers and damaging scientific discourse around 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:41.180 cryptids. Overall, I gave her a fairly high deception 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:44.660 and fabrication. Eight high fives, especially 00:21:44.660 --> 00:21:48.539 once you start to get into the pushback era for 00:21:48.539 --> 00:21:52.740 her. Six for harm, just because she has completely 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:57.880 damaged Bigfoot research. Seven for grift. I 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.440 don't know if she made money, and that's the 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.460 thing where maybe that should be lower. But she 00:22:03.460 --> 00:22:06.059 went on so many podcasts about this afterwards 00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:08.700 that I was like, she's really trying to monetize 00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:12.240 this. And then I gave her a two for legacy because 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.720 I don't think this is going to be remembered 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.119 at all. But at the same time, Bigfoot people 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:21.740 are going to use this research as support for 00:22:21.740 --> 00:22:24.859 their position for a long time. Position 23 on 00:22:24.859 --> 00:22:27.839 my list, 31 overall for a score. Yeah, I ranked 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.359 her at a 34. I ranked her a little bit higher 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.859 on the deception and fabrication. I gave her 00:22:32.859 --> 00:22:36.339 a 10. Yeah, that's fair. She was really, really 00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:39.720 bad. For somebody who should know better. Yeah, 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:43.039 I scored her a little bit skewed as per what 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.099 you gave her on harm and legacy. And I realized 00:22:46.099 --> 00:22:49.500 I probably need to maybe switch those around. 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.779 And sorry, I think I missed it. Season five, 00:22:51.859 --> 00:22:55.450 episode eight. Yeah, I gave her a two for harm, 00:22:55.549 --> 00:22:59.430 but I agree with you. I think she did a lot of 00:22:59.430 --> 00:23:02.289 harm within the community is what you're thinking. 00:23:02.390 --> 00:23:05.490 I was just thinking in general, she didn't hurt 00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:08.269 anybody. But yeah, I would agree with that. And 00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:11.549 therefore, I gave her a six for legacy. I'm going 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:14.369 to bring her down a couple. Still evening it 00:23:14.369 --> 00:23:18.359 out at 34, I would say. But, I mean, she did 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.539 leave a lasting legacy on the fact of what she 00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.599 did. She will. Bigfoot research will not be taken 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.680 seriously. And people within the Bigfoot community 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.460 are going to hold her up for a long time as this 00:23:31.460 --> 00:23:34.079 research paper. You still hear it talked about. 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.460 No, and I agree. I probably scored it a little 00:23:36.460 --> 00:23:39.420 low for legacy, too. She's a total asshole, though. 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.859 She's definitely a total asshole that belongs 00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:44.859 on this list. Co -pilot, of course, gave her 00:23:44.859 --> 00:23:49.319 a... Let's take a look. Oh, you know what? 34, 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:54.839 putting her at 32 on their list. Wow. Yeah, I 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.200 gave it a 31. We're all kind of in agreement, 00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:59.980 and I have an explanation. Ketchum scores high 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:03.799 in deception for her flawed Bigfoot DNA study. 00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:06.819 Her grift is moderate, monetizing through publications. 00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:10.000 Her legacy is middling, remembered in cryptid 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.359 circles. Her vibes are middling, seen as defensive, 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.759 but not universally toxic. She's held back by 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.359 moderate harm since her claims misled but didn't 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.619 devastate. Yeah. So another one we all agree. 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.579 Pretty much. Yeah. Okay. Number 22, Chelsea. 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.960 Who do you got? Prepare yourself for this. Who 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.619 do I have at 22? Okay, I'm at my 22. Okay. George 00:24:32.619 --> 00:24:39.089 Norrie. No. Season 4, episode 12. Okay. George 00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:41.730 Norrie for me. I gave him a 32 overall. Why don't 00:24:41.730 --> 00:24:44.750 you read your description and then we'll talk. 00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:48.849 Oh, I just X'd out of my sheet. Okay, I'll do 00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:52.569 it really quick and you can get it open. Nori 00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:55.589 is best known as the longtime host of Coast to 00:24:55.589 --> 00:24:58.569 Coast AM, the radio show that became the biggest 00:24:58.569 --> 00:25:02.170 platform for UFOs, paranormal claims, and fridge 00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:05.349 personalities. His achievement is keeping fringe 00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:09.009 topics in mainstream circulation, giving airtime 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:12.490 to countless voices. His asshole factor comes 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:15.529 from platforming dubious claims without vetting, 00:25:15.609 --> 00:25:18.589 profiting from sensationalism, and normalizing 00:25:18.589 --> 00:25:21.359 pseudoscience for millions of listeners. yep 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:27.519 i gave him overall a 32 and he scored high in 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:31.539 three categories vibes i got bad vibes from him 00:25:31.539 --> 00:25:35.480 i harm i gave him a seven and most of all he 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.880 is my highest tied for highest at a 10 grift 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.019 Because, man, is he always trying to make money. 00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:47.819 Man, yeah. And he, yeah, I would agree that he's 00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:50.279 high for the grift. I have him at a 10 for grift. 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.640 And... Oh, sorry. And last and most importantly, 00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:56.380 I gave him a three for both of deception and 00:25:56.380 --> 00:25:58.839 fabrication, because again, I do think he's lazy 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.920 and he's not actually making up the grift. He's 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:05.039 just accepting. Exactly. I put him at a three 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.539 for grift. And importantly, three for legacy, 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.420 because I think once he retires, people are going 00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:12.819 to. I gave him three for legacy as well. He's 00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:15.519 not making a mark on what he's doing. I think 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.380 a lot of people are getting really pissed off 00:26:17.380 --> 00:26:22.309 with him. I also think he's on par as well. He's 00:26:22.309 --> 00:26:27.250 taken over for Art Bell. Oh, hold on. Oh, you're 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:31.730 on my list, yeah. That's why you agree. How much 00:26:31.730 --> 00:26:35.529 do you agree? On almost everything. Son of a 00:26:35.529 --> 00:26:39.210 bitch. I gave him a two for deception and fabrication. 00:26:39.730 --> 00:26:41.789 Yeah, because he's doing it himself. He just 00:26:41.789 --> 00:26:44.269 is too lazy to stop people. Is he harming anybody? 00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:48.089 Probably. It should probably be higher because, 00:26:48.309 --> 00:26:51.410 well, they say they're the highest syndicated 00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:54.289 talk show radio program or some shit like that. 00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:57.490 But how many syndications are actually out there 00:26:57.490 --> 00:27:00.250 nowadays that people are listening to? Grift, 00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:03.730 I have it a seven. Yes. Legacy, I have it a zero. 00:27:03.829 --> 00:27:06.390 And so to continue my train of thought, he's 00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:08.809 coming off Art Bell. Yeah, people always will 00:27:08.809 --> 00:27:12.269 remember Art Bell. Art Bell. they will not made 00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:15.410 something memorable art bell didn't even want 00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:17.849 nori to take over i don't think they got along 00:27:17.849 --> 00:27:21.029 at all no deception and fabrication i put it 00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:23.769 at two because i honestly think he has no interest 00:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.430 in the people that he has on the show and he 00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:29.130 puts no real thought into the responses that 00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:32.069 he's ever had they're all in agreeance no and 00:27:32.069 --> 00:27:34.210 the only thing i know about him is he's conservative 00:27:34.210 --> 00:27:37.740 yeah because Whenever he gets people on who have 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:41.000 anything that might be progressive, he shits 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.200 on them. And that's it. He had somebody on who 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.420 was like a vegetarian and he kept asking like 00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:50.019 the stupidest questions. But when I was listening 00:27:50.019 --> 00:27:52.779 to it, it's like he didn't even listen. He might 00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:54.799 have had somebody give him some questions to 00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:57.019 ask, but that's why he gets low on deception 00:27:57.019 --> 00:28:00.630 for me because... he couldn't like what is he 00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:03.170 deceiving like he has no interest in what he's 00:28:03.170 --> 00:28:06.690 doing vibes too because he's boring as fuck he 00:28:06.690 --> 00:28:09.509 told the same stories over and over again there 00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:12.690 is nothing intrinsically interesting about the 00:28:12.690 --> 00:28:15.930 man at all he burnt his throat on like a hot 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:20.730 hot pocket once and we heard about it forever 00:28:20.730 --> 00:28:25.349 that was an entire like five episodes harm Two, 00:28:25.529 --> 00:28:28.609 who is he harming? Grift, it's up there. Seven. 00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:31.849 Legacy, zero. Thirteen. Everybody he harms is 00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:34.509 over 70 years old. That's the thing. So, like, 00:28:34.630 --> 00:28:36.529 it's not going to have lasting impact on society. 00:28:36.529 --> 00:28:39.210 Here's the thing. He's low on my list, but not 00:28:39.210 --> 00:28:41.869 because he's not an asshole. It's because he's 00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.250 a boring asshole that doesn't... His impact is 00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:47.890 pretty low. It's a very low impact. He doesn't 00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:52.009 give a shit about anything. And the grift is 00:28:52.009 --> 00:28:54.869 high. Like, he started that dating... app oh 00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:58.170 god i forgot about that he has dr wallach on 00:28:58.170 --> 00:29:01.589 that does nothing paranormal date yeah like the 00:29:01.589 --> 00:29:04.410 grift is so high with that guy and that's literally 00:29:04.410 --> 00:29:06.809 pretty much the only thing giving him points 00:29:06.809 --> 00:29:09.930 on this total he has no personality he shouldn't 00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:12.549 be hosting coast to coast am like he's just he 00:29:12.549 --> 00:29:15.589 should retire yeah like if he had retired 10 00:29:15.589 --> 00:29:19.609 years ago he might be okay to remember but we're 00:29:19.609 --> 00:29:22.289 well past that yeah and that's what's making 00:29:22.289 --> 00:29:25.420 him an asshole one mine is the lack of anything 00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:28.700 at least the other guys scoring low on my list 00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:31.500 have some sort of opinion and personality yeah 00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.559 but he just he doesn't have it he doesn't have 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.960 it and that's that's where he got on mine just 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.519 due to that yeah co -pilot has this at george 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:47.279 nori is 31st on their list with 34 and they say 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.339 nori scores high in legacy for hosting coast 00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:53.519 to coast am shaping paranormal radio That doesn't 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.859 make him an asshole, though. His deception is 00:29:55.859 --> 00:29:58.940 moderate. He platformed hoaxers but didn't invent 00:29:58.940 --> 00:30:01.700 claims. His vibes are middling. Scene is affable 00:30:01.700 --> 00:30:04.599 but opportunistic. He's held back by lower harm 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.799 since he amplified nonsense more than causing 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.559 direct damage. Yeah, I think we're all in agreeance. 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.440 And while our scores are wildly off, I think 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.180 we're all in agreeance with who he is as a person. 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:21.589 Okay, Chelsea, next up on my list. At 21 is Richard 00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:24.890 C. Holland. Season three, episodes five and six. 00:30:24.950 --> 00:30:27.269 Now we're getting up there. Yeah. I have him 00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:30.970 ranked at a 24. Ranked at 24 or score of 24? 00:30:31.009 --> 00:30:33.710 His score is 24. Oh, okay. No, hold on. Hold 00:30:33.710 --> 00:30:36.569 on. His score is 31. Yeah. Okay. I have 32. Perfect. 00:30:36.829 --> 00:30:39.829 Yeah. Oh, perfect. We agree. Yeah. Now, why don't 00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:41.450 you tell us about Richard C. Holland? Oh, yeah. 00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:45.200 I guess I could tell you about him. Who was it 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:50.859 that he mentored? David Wilcock. He was talking 00:30:50.859 --> 00:30:53.240 about Richard C. Hoagland the other day. Hoagland 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.059 is best known for promoting the face on Mars 00:30:56.059 --> 00:30:59.059 and other speculative NASA cover -up theories. 00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.640 His achievement was keeping space anomalies in 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.559 the public eye and inspiring curiosity about 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.859 Mars. His asshole actions include presenting 00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:12.160 pseudoscience as fact, exploiting media appearances 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.220 and monetizing sensational claims through books 00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:18.180 and lectures, misleading audiences for decades. 00:31:18.650 --> 00:31:20.990 And this is one of those people where I had much 00:31:20.990 --> 00:31:23.289 lower on the list until I re -listened to the 00:31:23.289 --> 00:31:27.809 episodes. And I forgot what a big asshole Richard 00:31:27.809 --> 00:31:30.809 Hoagland was. I remember him as being an asshole. 00:31:31.150 --> 00:31:36.710 Yeah. He absolutely would take claims, make them 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:39.309 his own, and say he was the first person to ever 00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:42.299 talk about anything. And his... I don't know 00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:45.380 how, but he ended up with friends such as Carl 00:31:45.380 --> 00:31:48.440 Sagan, one of the foremost astronomers of his 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.500 day, who he got to pretend to be giving ideas 00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:56.700 to. So overall, I gave Richard Hoagland the biggest 00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:59.160 thing he got. He got quite a few eights. He got 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.819 eight on deception fabrication because he stole 00:32:01.819 --> 00:32:06.220 and also didn't really check his sources or care 00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:09.400 about things being wrong. Eight on vibes because 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.920 he was an asshole. exactly the same three on 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.319 harm because there wasn't a big deal on that 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.039 okay eight on griff because he was making money 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.500 off it like a lot of money five on legacy because 00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:24.319 at the end of the day i don't think he is going 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.180 to be remembered that much and his biggest claim 00:32:26.180 --> 00:32:29.869 to fame is sidonia the face on mars And I don't 00:32:29.869 --> 00:32:31.009 think it's going to be remembered that long. 00:32:31.150 --> 00:32:32.990 Totally in agreeance with everything that you're 00:32:32.990 --> 00:32:35.970 saying. I gave him a less of a legacy. The thing 00:32:35.970 --> 00:32:38.730 with all these UFO grifters is what harm are 00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:41.450 they actually doing other than just. Yeah. And 00:32:41.450 --> 00:32:45.029 it's me, right? It's people who enjoy listening 00:32:45.029 --> 00:32:48.210 to stuff like this, which I do. I will totally 00:32:48.210 --> 00:32:51.130 give it to you. I love some of these stories 00:32:51.130 --> 00:32:53.609 that I know are totally made up. Other people 00:32:53.609 --> 00:32:55.730 probably don't know that they're made up and 00:32:55.730 --> 00:32:58.970 they actually believe them. But I still like 00:32:58.970 --> 00:33:03.029 the Serpo story. I'm sorry. I love Serpo, even 00:33:03.029 --> 00:33:06.349 though it is Richard Doty. I don't know why. 00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:09.509 It's definitely Richard Doty. But it's just things 00:33:09.509 --> 00:33:12.509 like that. So I see no harm in it inherently. 00:33:12.950 --> 00:33:16.170 If Richard Doty was only known for the Serpo 00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:20.650 story, he wouldn't even make this list. I know. 00:33:21.259 --> 00:33:23.680 He would be a lovable asshole. Here we are at 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.339 20 something in the 20s and like not even talking 00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:32.180 about Richard Doty yet. He's not showing up for 00:33:32.180 --> 00:33:37.339 a while still. I know it. Yeah, I had to go back 00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:40.400 and listen to it. And I realized the deception 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.220 that Richard C. Hoagland was known for that I 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:46.079 completely forgot about. And the fact that he 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.500 had a high school degree. He had no background 00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:53.869 in anything. and yet he still was like the scientific 00:33:53.869 --> 00:33:58.309 person for so many people because he was a weird 00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:01.450 manipulator and he got kicked off coast to coast 00:34:01.450 --> 00:34:04.329 for a while And that is a very hard thing to 00:34:04.329 --> 00:34:06.309 do. I forgot about that. Yeah. See, and if I 00:34:06.309 --> 00:34:08.369 would have listened to the episode, maybe I would 00:34:08.369 --> 00:34:10.690 have ranked him higher, but I didn't. But I'm 00:34:10.690 --> 00:34:13.849 just going off my vibes on this one. And I totally 00:34:13.849 --> 00:34:16.730 remember the vibes from the episode that he was 00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:19.409 a total asshole. Yeah. And Chelsea, I think this 00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:20.550 is going to be the last one we're going to do. 00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:25.809 For my number 20, I have Stanley Tiger Romanek. 00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:29.090 Season 3, episode 22. Where do I have him? Ooh, 00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:37.920 I have him in the top 10. Wait, he's not in here. 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:43.420 Anyhow, Stanley Tiger was very well known as, 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.320 yeah, the first J3 documentary video done where 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.519 he put several alien face masks in windows and 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.900 they were not there. He very clearly made it 00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:58.320 up and then he ended up having to go to jail. 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.920 Sorry. Did he go to jail? I can't remember. I 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.599 should really write this down. I think he did 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.980 go to jail for it came to light at the end of 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:11.219 the filming when the documentary was being released 00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:15.099 that he was found guilty of pedophilia. Yeah. 00:35:15.619 --> 00:35:18.880 Anyhow, with Stan Romanek, I gave him a 10 for 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.840 deception, 10 for vibes because man, those are 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.599 off. Yep. 8 for harm because he is like, it's 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.380 hard to not give somebody who is the pedophilia 00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:31.159 charges high. Yep. But after that, I gave him 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.219 a two for grift because he couldn't take advantage 00:35:33.219 --> 00:35:35.300 of it. And a three for legacy because it could 00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:38.480 be forgotten for in the UFO community. Okay, 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.849 here's where we differ. Seven for vibes because 00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:44.309 a pedophile is not going to be low for asshole 00:35:44.309 --> 00:35:48.130 vibes. And I gave him a 10 for grift because 00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:53.849 he went to elaborate means to falsify all of 00:35:53.849 --> 00:35:56.670 this, to document all of this. He had puppets. 00:35:56.710 --> 00:36:00.949 He had fake phone calls. He had the works. Well, 00:36:01.070 --> 00:36:04.449 he did, but it was only for one documentary. 00:36:04.449 --> 00:36:07.190 He never had the opportunity to fully grift. 00:36:07.269 --> 00:36:10.409 And that's why he scored so low for me. The effort 00:36:10.409 --> 00:36:14.690 was there. So he still scored very high for me. 00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:18.289 No, he didn't. You're right. That's part of the 00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:23.190 technicality of it. But I went with intent. Yeah. 00:36:23.329 --> 00:36:26.010 Fair enough. So that's why he's high on mine. 00:36:26.329 --> 00:36:29.050 I don't know why I still went lower on vibes 00:36:29.050 --> 00:36:31.289 at a seven. That's still high. I went seven for 00:36:31.289 --> 00:36:33.690 vibes. Cause he seems kind of like an idiot. 00:36:33.869 --> 00:36:37.289 Yeah. Because maybe I went lower on vibes because 00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:40.969 he presented all of this shit as fact and you 00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:43.949 watch the documentary and it is. Oh yeah. This 00:36:43.949 --> 00:36:47.010 is awful. Yeah. This guy definitely, definitely 00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:49.289 made this up. It's like when you're 10 years 00:36:49.289 --> 00:36:52.030 old, and you have the camcorder, which kids aren't 00:36:52.030 --> 00:36:54.070 going to know what that even is. And you like 00:36:54.070 --> 00:36:56.449 make up your own little thing like Gumby and 00:36:56.449 --> 00:37:01.769 Pokey. Yeah. And it's like, you know, one of 00:37:01.769 --> 00:37:03.530 these things that you're like, wow, this is so 00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:06.869 good. And it's not good at all. And it just legacy 00:37:06.869 --> 00:37:09.940 for. And the only reason it gets a four is because 00:37:09.940 --> 00:37:12.659 literally they continued with production after 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:15.699 this guy was tried and convicted as a pedophile. 00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:20.079 Yeah. And how bad it is. And Copilot does agree 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.420 with you. They put him at number five on their 00:37:23.420 --> 00:37:26.710 list. Romanek maxes out vibes in Harundu's toxic 00:37:26.710 --> 00:37:29.409 personality, exploitation, and criminal charges. 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:32.349 His deception is extreme with fabricated abduction 00:37:32.349 --> 00:37:34.909 evidence. His rift was strong with books and 00:37:34.909 --> 00:37:37.010 appearances. His legacy is weaker, remembered 00:37:37.010 --> 00:37:39.530 mostly for scandal. He's held back by fading 00:37:39.530 --> 00:37:41.989 influence. And with that, we're going to get 00:37:41.989 --> 00:37:45.210 in the top 20 after this for me. We'll see you 00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:47.150 guys next week. I've been Taylor, here with Chelsea. 00:37:47.329 --> 00:37:48.989 We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for 00:37:48.989 --> 00:37:52.739 listening. We'll see you next week. Bye. Thank 00:37:52.739 --> 00:37:55.079 you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 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