From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome
to Journey to the Fringe, where we are continuing
on our look at the assholes, where we're ranking
them. None of them, as far as I'm aware, have
paid to shoot anybody, which is probably a good
thing. So maybe we break them a little too high.
But man, it's going to be in the back of my mind
for a few of them. Yep. Anyhow, this is a continuation
from last week. So if you haven't, please go
back and listen to part one of this series where
we actually cover the people who we didn't think.
conclusively, we all agreed probably are assholes.
Although Copilot disagrees with us. Anyhow, we
don't care about Copilot that much. Now, we're
going to get into the people we consider real
assholes. Now, before we get too far into this
episode, we should go over the scoring system
again really quickly. We're covering people that
we've done episodes on in the past, ranking them
on a score of 50 based on five different factors,
deception and fabrication, vibes, harm, grift,
and legacy, giving them a score of 50 on that,
with anything below a 20 being likely not an
asshole. We're starting to list 20 and up from
here on out. And Chelsea, the first person to
reach. Non -asshole status on my list. No, no,
asshole status. Sorry, to reach asshole status
on my list. Just barely, because I know he's
an asshole. But man, I don't want to think of
him that way. Oh, who is it? Dr. Michael Sala.
Oh, he's the first non -asshole. At 39 on the
list. Season 5, episodes 62 and 64. Oh, that's
an interesting ranking. Okay, let's, how do you
spell Sala? Where is he? S -A -L -A. Oh, there
he is. In case you're wondering, Sala is the
founder of ExoPolitics, which frames UFOs and
alien contact as a political science discipline.
His achievement was giving UFO narratives an
academic veneer, making them appear scholarly.
So Chelsea, I gave him a 21 overall, his highest
score being in Grift. He got a 6 in Harm, a 7
in Grift, a 6 in Legacy. Deception and Fabrication,
I gave him a 2. Because I know he believes everything
he's talking about. Oh, okay. And I gave him
a 0 in Lies. Because there is absolutely no amount
of asshole I see in that guy. He's a guy who
I look at and I'm like, I think he gets bullied.
Yeah, but I still look at him and I think asshole
is my thing. So, sorry, what was your total score
for him? 21. Oh, mine's 32. I had to give him
a zero in vibes because I do not get asshole
vibes from him. I know he's an asshole, but I
gave him a zero in vibes. Interesting. Interesting.
I give him a five. But that man could say anything.
Like, he could be advocating for genocide of
a group, and I'd say, like, with that, the way
he talks, not an asshole. It's true. It's true.
The way he talks, like, it's just... I get what
you're saying. I can't even describe it into
words, but yes, I get exactly what you're saying.
He even says, like... When he starts out, he's
like, we're just starting from a point that everything
that's being looked at is true. And there's a
UFO implication behind it. It's true. And he
gets higher to me because he's still deceiving.
So I didn't give him the benefit of the doubt
on those ones. I don't think he's deceiving.
And that's that weird thing about him. Like his
educational, like the background education for
him. I don't think he's deceiving. But he got,
unfortunately. He is very grifty. Like, I think
that is very apparent from everything that you
look at with his websites. And his legacy of
exo -politics leads that group, the UFO community,
to have something, that term, to lean back on
to support anything that they do, which is where
he ends up being an asshole for me. Yeah. You
know what? I can pick that up because, you know
what? Now that I look back on our ranking for
deception and fabrication, it's knowingly. Yeah.
So I might be able to come down a few pegs on
the deception, but I think everything else I
have is fairly accurate. Yeah. Though I might
bring him down maybe on the harm. Maybe I can
come to a 28. Okay. I still think he's higher
up there than some other people. Fair enough.
But I just, the only other thing that got a zero
for me. in um vibes was weekly world news i'm
pretty sure shut up i think there might be a
few more but there's other zeros i think on the
list but like i just do not get asshole vibes
and i know he's an asshole too i just don't get
the vibes no i still i still get the vibes i
would come down on deception and fabrication
i see i did get the vibes from him A little bit.
Not full asshole vibes, but I did get a little
bit of the vibes. And sorry, what number was
he on your list? Well, he was ranked, I have
to add two, so I would say 25. Okay, and Copilot
has him at 26 with a score of 36. Another, I'm
coming very close. I do agree. I do think my
viewpoint is tainted. From watching him. Yeah.
And I, out of everybody, actually, Copilot might
have seen more of him. But I do think I am the
most attuned to him. See, here's why I, I'll
tell you outright why I scored him a little bit
higher on things. Because I specifically remember
what was the last episode I did, Skinny Bob.
Yes. And Michael Sala made an appearance. And
as soon as I said Michael Sala, you were like,
that's it. It's not real. It's not true, yeah.
Yeah, so, and I know it was a small portion of
it. As soon as you start, right off the bat,
he says, everything I do just takes everything
given to me as true, and then I go from there.
See, and that means something, too, as an asshole,
though. Yeah. It might not be a knowing asshole,
but you're still an asshole. So, Copilot gave
him. Copilot gave Salah a 36 overall. Salah scores
high in deception and grip for pushing exopolitics
and monetizing UFO lore. His legacy is solid
in UFO circles. His vibes are middling, seen
as opportunistic, but not universally toxic.
He's held back by moderate harm since his influence
is cultural rather than destructive. You know
what? I will agree with you. I could knock him
down a few pegs because I agree he's not destructive,
just an oblivious asshole. So I could knock him
down a few pegs. Absolutely. I gotta admit, I
think a lot of the bottom of my asshole list
is a lot of people who I like. Kind of in weird
ways that I couldn't put them higher. But I also
do think I can justify this. I wonder where this
is going. Oh, and sorry. Did we say Michael Sala
before we move on? Season five, episode 62 and
64. I can't remember if I said it. Just need
to add it in there. And that means at 38 on my
list, Chelsea, is... Who's it going to be? Andrew
Baziago. Where's Baziago? Got a 21. Season three,
episode eight. I do like me a Basiago. And...
But... Yeah, I fully expect him to be much higher
on everybody's list. Yeah, but I do like him.
See, I agree with you saying, though I don't
have him that low, I can't... Who did we just
do? Salah. Yeah. Where are you? Oh, he's lower
than Michael Salah. Okay. Yeah. So... Vaziago
is best known for claiming he participated in
secret government time travel and Mars missions.
His achievement was building a niche following
inserting himself in the UFO disclosure narrative.
His asshole actions include fabricating elaborate
stories, monetizing them through appearances,
self -promotion, and misleading audiences with
fantastical claims. I give him a 22 overall.
His highest score is being in deception and fabrication
and fives. I give him seven in deception, seven
in vibes, one in harm, six in grift and one in
legacy because he is going to be forgotten like
immediately i think this is the closest we've
come so far in a total i am at a 23 oh yeah right
there and i yeah he would have much lower vibes
if his website did not have those hidden words
those skyrocket the vibes those just got so weird
And if he had run for president this past term
as well, because like he was supposed to be president.
So what the hell? This is like his last chance,
wasn't it? There's maybe one more. You know,
the hidden porn links just does it for me. That
was like the most memorable thing about him.
But he's a lawyer, you know, and in my head,
I still look back at him as a lawyer. Yeah. Well,
and that's why I'm like. He did on his website.
And like he never had, like I looked up, there
weren't complaints against him. Like he had a
successful practice. See, and that's where he
gets like kind of a lower vibe on me. But he
got a very high deception. And there's almost
something about him that doesn't... There are
vibes. There are weird vibes. There are weird
vibes, but it doesn't properly amalgamate within
myself. To an asshole, right? The type of person
he is. Right? But he is. Like he had a unicorn
in his logo thing on his shirt. I know! Okay,
so this is what I remember. The unicorn logo,
the porn links, and that he's a lawyer. And that
gave him a score of 23. We are right beside each
other. Copilot has him 29th on their list with
a 35. They say... that Vazio scores high in deception
for fabricated time travel. His grift is moderate
with books and appearances. His legacy is middling,
remembered in fringe circles. His vibes are middling,
eccentric, but not universally toxic. And they
don't take into account those hidden links. That
might be the difference. See, no, I don't think
nobody is. I think you stumbled onto something
by accident that nobody else knows. I think it's
a secret. And I think their description hits
it dead on. It was... In my head, I associate
him with Corey Goode with the Secret Space Program.
Okay. And for that, he scores high on the deception
and fabrication for me. Very high. Okay. And
the last thing it says here is he's held back
by moderate harm since his claims misled but
didn't ruin anybody's lives. So they gave him
a 35 overall. I would agree with that completely.
We have 22 and 23. Yeah. So we're right. And
Coppola's wrong. Yeah. Though... I agree with
what Copilot gave as a description, so I just
think their scoring's off. Next up, at 37, I
have John Teeter, Season 2, Episode 44. Teeter
was an anonymous internet persona in the early
2000s who claimed to be a time traveler from
2036. His achievement was creating one of the
most enduring internet legends, sparking forums,
debates, and memes. I have him at... 34. Oh,
not that far. This is pretty much... Yeah, we're
very close. And I gave him an overall of a 22.
I have a 21. Wow. I think his highest score is
in Legacy with a 7 because I do think this story
lives on fairly well. And I gave him a 6 for
Deception and Fabrication. 5. The story gives
weird vibes, so I gave him a 5. I don't think
his story has any harm attached to it. And as
far as I can remember, there's not a lot of grift.
He didn't really monetize this story. Yeah, yeah,
I would agree completely with those. I gave very
low on harm. I don't know about grift. That one
I did score a little bit higher. But now that
you say that, you're right. Though, even though
it wasn't monetary, he was on forums. He was
on Coast to Coast AM. he was but I don't actually
think it was like plug your stuff I don't remember
him ever plugging it no it wasn't you're right
it was more about the storytelling and for deception
I gave him very high see I think he was on there
to deceive I don't think he was on there to make
a buck yeah And the thing about Coast to Coast
AM, though he did go on the forums, was Art Bell
always said part of what he did was storytelling.
So you never know with stuff like that. But Legacy,
I have Legacy low, but you're right. He is one
of the big hitters. Though you don't see time
travelers talked about that much anymore. You
really don't. Do you? No. No. Why is it going
away? I don't know. And weirdly enough. You would
think it would be more and more now that we're
coming into technology. As more time goes by,
there should be more time travel. Yeah. Yeah.
And now that our technology gets, like, further
along, you would think there'd be more talk of
time travel. And weirdly enough, this is one
of the lower scores. John Titor is number 44
on Copilot's list with a score of 27. Interesting.
Do we know what it says about him? Teeter scores
high in deception for fabricating the time travel
persona. His legacy is moderate, remembered as
an internet legend. His vibes were neutral, more
prankster than toxic. He's held back by low harm
and grit since his hoax was cultural fun rather
than exploitation. Well, yeah. Yeah, so that's
where it falls on there. This one I think might
be the most decisive choice I have made here,
Chelsea, at number 36. Right at the middle of
the list. Well, this is a very middling individual
and he's going to be in your middle too. I just
don't think you'll expect it this low. Okay.
Can I take a guess? Is it going to be George
Norris? No, it's not. Okay. This is David Wilcock.
Season 2's episode 25, 26, 27, and 28. And 29
and 30. It felt like, why? Why don't you read
the description and then I'll tell you how I
scored him. I'm mind blown right now. Because
to me, he's one of the biggest fucking assholes.
You know what? He probably, looking at my score,
I probably could give him a few higher scores.
But I think overall, I'm in the right spot. He
was... I'll compare mine and tell you where I
put him. Wilcock rose to prominence as a New
Age author and lecturer, weaving together Atlantis
myths, Ascension narratives, and UFO lore. His
achievement lies in building a large following
and... Large following? I think that following
is dwindled now. And influencing the modern spiritual
fringe landscape through books and appearances.
Okay, where do I have him on mine? Oh, he's lower
on mine than I thought too. Whoa. I didn't even
look at this. Where is he? So again, I have him
at 36. He got a 9 in grift for me. That is his
absolute highest score. It's the highest score
we've seen on this list at this point in mine.
But he got a one in legacy. He is going to be
immediately. He has been immediately forgotten.
We're like one of the few people that still.
Oh, you're fucking right. So, okay. Here's where
we're varying. I think I have him at a 23. Yeah.
See, I have a 23. He's just 36. I bet you we
scored the same on everything else. So I have
them at a 10 for deception and fabrication. I
have them at an eight for vibes. I have him at
a four for harm. I have him at a 10 for grift
and you're going to like this for legacy. I have
him at a 10 with brackets in my heart, which
also means his legacy. Like, like to me, he's
like the biggest asshole because nostalgically
David Wilcock is like my original asshole. Yeah.
But. Yeah. Which is why I scored him at a 10.
But I, at the same time, I agree with you because
like I just joked, his audience is dwindling
now. And I would probably, if I was being honest.
probably put him at a one as well because he's
easily forgettable yeah but 10 in my heart because
he's such an ad and that's why i turn into his
lives just so i can laugh at him and he's even
letting me down even you the person who gave
him a 10 in legacy forget that he goes live on
sunday sometimes so i gave him an h for deception
and fabrication just because i don't think he
cares enough he's not I just don't think he cares
for a lot of it. I do think there is definitely
some lying. But I think most of it is laziness.
Yep. I gave him a three for vibes. Because if...
You gave him a three for asshole vibes? Yeah.
And I... Okay, but does thinking too highly of
yourself count for ass? It can. Because he scores
a ten. But this is another thing. And that's
where you see that from him. I gave him a three
because if somebody said, Taylor, let's pretend
that you believe in alpha and beta levels for
men. What would be your definition of a beta?
And I would say, oh, David Wilcock. Like beyond
a shadow of a doubt. He will always grovel as
a number two kind. And I don't think he's done
that much harm. Yes, he's out there, but he did
like the 2012 stuff and just pivoted and didn't
even think about it. See, we speculate about
David Wilcock. I listened to his arch nemesis,
Stephen Cambion, which is a little hard to listen
to because he's just so homophobic about it.
And I don't think he's a beta. I think he's a
person that is so self -conscious about himself.
And I think that's where you get the cockiness
about him. But this isn't about me just analyzing
David Wilcox. And the weird thing about his cockiness
is it's so made up. You can see right through
his cockiness. Yeah, and it's way overplayed,
but I think he's just so self -conscious about
himself. If you ever pushed him on cockiness,
he would immediately submit. That's what I get
from him. And this is the weird thing about David
Wilcock and why he fell so low. And also, he
doesn't, I don't think he has very many original
ideas. No. He waits to see where the winds are
and then he just picks up what's around. Yeah.
He plays a lot off of other people's research.
Yeah. Right now, his thing is Stephen Grew. Yeah.
And he's sucking up to him. Yeah. Yeah. And then
there was Corey Good, who, of course, has gone
very sour legally for multiple reasons, which
gets him pretty high on my asshole list. But
obviously, he scored lower than I thought he
would definitely, though. Yeah. And I do think
at the end of the day, he has no legacy. Zero
legacy. Sorry, one legacy. Yeah, I think you're
right. He tied with Andrew Basiago and Paul Benowitz
as my only ones in legacy. And it's because,
like, if anything, he was going to be a remember
of 2012. He doesn't even talk about that anymore.
Like, he doesn't even pretend that there was
something about it that, like, is still continuing
on. Why would he? But you could so easily say,
like... oh, this is the transition period that
we're in. It will be so easy. And he's like,
no, don't even talk about it anymore. Just pretend
it didn't happen. See, I forgot in all of this
not to have my personal bias included in it.
Here's my problem. So I could knock him down
a few. But I think it's fine to keep him where
you are. Again, we have the exact same score,
23. Yeah. Interesting. And sorry, we haven't
even gotten to the co -pilots yet, so I'm just
going to pull that up really quick. Oh, what
does co -pilot do? Wilcox is... Wow, they have
him at 11th with a 40 overall. And denying it
grift. So they agree on that. Yeah, we all agree
at the grift because he straight up told people
on YouTube. Yeah, I'm just not going to do it
if I don't get money. And they say, Wilcox's
grift and deception are strong. Endless books,
courses, and dubious claims. His vibes are poor
because he's often seen as arrogant and dismissive.
Throwing allies under the bus. Actually, that
would probably push his vibes up for me. He scores
high in legacy for shaping modern new age UFO
lore, but he's held back. I don't think he shapes
it. Yeah, I agree fully, but he's held back slightly
because his harm is more cultural than personal.
Yeah. And that's where I scored him really low
was in harm. I don't think he's harming anyone.
And that's another thing I have against his arch
nemesis, Stephen Cambium. He insults his followers
and just let them be, man. Just let them be.
Yeah, I agree with that. Just let them live their
life. who cares if they want to throw them a
hundred bucks if they have it i'm sure they're
not spending you know the last food they have
for money i really hope they're not because man
there's some whenever he says like oh man my
life's so tough what are you guys dealing with
and there's like cancer like a lot of cancer
in there And he's like, yeah, well, we're all
through a hard time. But that's where I think
he's very low in harm. Like who cares? These
people are doing it of their own free will. Like
who gives a shit? Don't insult them. Just there's
someone out there doing every type of thing.
Just fucking let them be. We're all humans. Let
them throw away their money where they want.
I choose to throw it away on other stupid things,
but they choose to throw it away on David Wilcock.
Who I'm sure would do anything for money. Yes,
he would. He almost does on that show. It's true.
Okay, next up. I don't know where this is going
to fall on your list, Chelsea. And I don't think
this is a number that's set in stone for this
person. Because this is one where I feel like
there's going to be an update in the next five
years that really tells us where they fall on
this list. Next up, at number 35, is Tom DeLonge.
Season 2, episodes 35 and 36. Ooh, I have him
at 37. Okay. not that far off no tom de long
former blink -182 front man founded to the stars
academy to push ufo disclosure his achievement
was mainstreaming ufo discourse bringing government
documents and credible figures into the spotlight
his actions include mixing legitimate evidence
with speculative claims monetizing through media
ventures and hyping investors with promises that
blurred entertainment and disclosure i gave him
overall a 24 which is the exact same oh no sorry
one above david wilcock and i don't know if it's
gonna be for asshole purposes his highest score
is an eight in legacy because i think no matter
what happens he's going to be remembered for
this it's true he got a six in vibes just because
i think he's easily taken advantage of you can
see it when he does interviews about this but
i don't think he's lying in any way and i don't
think he's done any harm per se yet Also, he's
gotten very high in grift because of what he's
done with To The Stars Academy and the very weird
practices with stock options. Oh, you're right.
And I think I could update some things. I do
think this number will change in the future as
we see what To The Stars Academy does, because
they've been very silent for a while here. They
have. I do think there's a chance he becomes
the John Lear of this generation, which is a
weird way to say it. But after... It is a very
weird way to say it. I finished reading a book
today, UFO Spooks and Kooks, which I finally
finished. And I realized there are a lot of parallels
between them. Interesting. Yeah. See, I scored
him very low on deception and vibes. Hear me
out. I agree with you now about the whole To
The Stars Academy. And so I might bump him up
a bit there because I did not get the chance
to listen back to that episode in season two,
episode 35, 36. I scored him very low because
Tom DeLonge reminds me a lot of me. in the fact
that he's just passionate about UFOs and he just
loves UFOs and he used his platform for Blink
-182 to like get in with these people. And I
think you're right. I think that leads him to
be easily taken advantage of by the grifters
in the UFO community. So that's where I score
him lower because I think that he's... He's lower
in something for me. And right now I don't know
what it is. Maybe it's vibes. Yeah, that very
well could be. Yeah, because grift, I think it
is higher because he's using also to the stars
to sell merchandise. So I have him at a 17, but
I think he should be a little bit higher now
that you put it that way. I think you put it
very well. Okay, well. Actually, he's very low
on the co -pilots list as well. They give him
a 31 and he is 40th on their list. But I think
we're in agreement here that we're still waiting
to see what his score is going to be because
his story is still going. Absolutely. And he
did put out that book. Yeah. The Secret Machines.
Yeah. And there's that whole second side and
there's a lot of stories. I think we're going
to, we'll have to do an update in the next couple
of years on Tom DeLonge and To The Stars. Oh,
absolutely. Maybe I didn't think fully about
it because again, it was an episode that I didn't
listen to. Oh, and that's the weird thing is
the ones you listen to, you realize, oh, these
are all the asshole things I forgot about. And
it moves them on. Yeah. And this one was back
from season two. Jeez. Yeah. So... Didn't feel
like that long ago. That was three years ago.
I cannot remember all the details for all the
assholes. Tom DeLong, co -pilot, says DeLong
scores high in legacy for bringing UFOs into
mainstream pop culture. We're all in agreement
with that. His deception is moderate. He amplified
dubious claims. He doesn't think they're dubious,
though. That's the whole thing with it. His grift
is solid with media projects. His vibes are middling.
Seen as enthusiastic but naive. He's held back
by low harm since his influence was more entertainment
than exploitation. Okay, I can pick that. That's
pretty much what you were saying as well, I think.
Yeah. For the most part. Yeah, I think they gave
him a lower mark. Overall, they gave him a 20.
Sorry, I gave him a 24. They gave him a 31. So
they're just scoring higher. They are scoring
very high in general, yes. But anyhow, we can
move on next. Chelsea, next on my list at 34
is Edgar Mitchell. Season 5, episodes 40 and
42. Okay, where is he on mine? Well, let's tell
us about him. Oh, he's low. Yeah. Oh, sorry,
I got excited again. Mitchell was an Apollo 14
astronaut who later became a UFO and consciousness
advocate. His achievement was his role in NASA
history and lending astronaut credibility to
fringe topics. His asshole actions were relatively
mild. He promoted speculative UFO claims and
paranormal ideas but didn't exploit followers
or monetize heavily making him eccentric rather
than predatory. And I gave him overall a 24 with
the highest being legacy because he is going
to be remembered and used. And I think the further
away we get from him and especially, I can't
remember if he's alive or not. I didn't go back
and listen to these ones. But after he dies and
especially like in the future, he's going to
be used as the astronaut who pushed this stuff.
And that's... And he was even alive if I remember
correctly back from his episode. Yeah. Well,
a lot of the stuff he did was when he was alive.
And I gave him a seven for deception, which most
people might not agree with. But it's deception
by omission and letting people believe that because
you're an astronaut, you have direct evidence
about this. And he never has anything. That's
the annoying part with Edgar Mitchell. Oh, good
point. See, and I didn't score him that high
with deception, but you're right. He was a believer
in it. So I think that might be a little bit
sneaky to put him a little bit higher in deception.
Yeah, that's the annoying thing. It was never
firsthand evidence. It was always people telling
him stuff. but the fact that he was an astronaut
he didn't have it yeah the fact that he was an
astronaut let people believe that oh an astronaut
believes this so he must have first -hand evidence
or it must be something that we can use but no
he was just a believer yeah i didn't take into
the as an omission as a part of the deception
but you're right when you say that my highest
one was legacy Because of that. So if I was to
take in the omission part, I think he would be
a little bit higher on mine. He's fairly low
on mine. He was another person like Tom DeLonge,
who's just naive. So kind of was like, I believe
it. So I'm going to talk about it. I think they're
very similar, him and Tom DeLonge. Yeah, that's
a very fair point in that they have celebrity
status outside. Yeah, and they're very close
on my list too by that. We just found the bottom
of Copilot's list. This is their bottom. What?
Yeah. Really? Oh, so we have Tom DeLonge and
Edgar Mitchell coming up fairly low. Yeah. So
Mitchell scores low overall. His legacy is decent
as an astronaut, but his UFO advocacy was eccentric
rather than exploitative. His deception, grift,
and harm are low. His vibes are neutral, more
quirky than toxic. He's held back because his
fringe claims were minor compared to his genuine
achievements. And I think we're picking up on
the same vibes as we were with Tom Belong. I
think they're very similar. They just had a genuine
passion about it. I don't think it's exploitative
by any means, except for Tom Belong. He's scoring
higher because of the merchandise selling as
well and profiting off of it. That whole corporation
thing, yeah. As far as the naivete goes between
the two of them, I think it's very, very similar.
They just have a passion for it and took it from
there. Okay, next up on my list at 33, I have
Carl Allen from The Philadelphia Experiment,
season two, episode 45. Hey, I do not have that
same person there. Where are you, Carl Allen?
Carl Allen, also known as Carlos Allende, is
the man behind the letters that birthed The Philadelphia
Experiment. The idea that the U .S. Navy teleported
a ship in 1943. His achievement was creating
one of the most enduring conspiracy legends in
UFO and paranormal lore. He did fabricate it.
The whole story, wholesale. Misleading researchers
for decades and seeding paranoia that still circulates
today. I gave him overall a 25. His highest are
in deception and legacy. Nines in each of those.
I gave him a 3 in vibes. I don't... He was a
guy with mental health problems, if you go back
and listen to the episode. And he didn't try
to profit from it. And at the end of the day,
it's a weird story, but I don't think it caused
any harm. And I will say, just right now, there
are multiple people we could have taken out of
the Philadelphia Experiment episode. This is
the only one we took out. I have him higher just
because he's probably one of the more recognizable
people. I know we're going to have a few people
on this list that you're kind of like, huh? And
I was even like, huh? We did this person until
I remembered where they're coming from. But the
Philadelphia experiment is... Oh, legacy -wise,
I gave it a nine. Infamous. It could have probably
been a ten. I agree. I put Grift up there as
well, just because now that you say that, you're
right with the mental health. He didn't mean
to either. I don't know, though, because otherwise,
why did he do it? Because he had mental health
problems. Sorry, I went back and listened to
the episode. He had mental health problems. Oh,
you listened to it. Okay. See, and I didn't.
There's the thing. We could have done one other
guy in that episode, and it's the guy who watched
the movie. And he's like, wait, everything's
coming back to me. Yes. We probably should have
picked him to do this on. I picked Carl Allen,
though. Yeah. And he was the one who time traveled
like multiple times. It was great. Great episode.
Also, sorry. One thing I need to say right now,
every asshole episode we did, they're a great
episode to go back and listen to. Just saying
that now. Oh yeah. This one's season two, episode
45. Go listen. It's great. All great episodes.
All of them. We're ranking them now, but don't
go by rank. Just go listen to them. They're all
fantastic. And like I said, there's multiple
assholes in there. We could put on the list.
I only put Carl Allen on. And I did love that
just like his pseudonyms were always his name,
but like slightly different. Carlos Allende.
He was like Professor Allende on one of them
too. And sorry, what was your overall score?
I gave him a 25. Oh, mine's a 38. Okay. And I
think it's more for me, just the deception and
the legacy that bring them there. Oh, wow. And
Copilot gave him a 38 as well. Oh, my God. Another
one. And they didn't explain. So I'm going to
assume it's just your explanation. Oh, no, sorry.
I'm on your list, not your list. They gave him
a 37. No, you're right. I am Copilot. Okay, Chelsea,
next up. They still don't have an explanation.
No, I don't have an explanation, unfortunately.
It's one of those things where you ask Copilot
so many times and it just forgets things. And
I tried to get everything I thought I had and
I did not. Yeah. Okay, next up on my list, Chelsea,
is Corey Good. Season 4, episode 14. Although
multiple times outside of that. okay good became
infamous for his secret space program testimony
and the introduction of the blue avians his achievement
was gaining a devoted following and shaping ufo
disclosure narratives in the mid 2010s his biggest
action was revealed in court he admitted to inventing
the blue avians undermining years of claims while
simultaneously trying to copyright them as intellectual
property this mix of fabrication monetization
and lawsuits against critics makes him one of
the most egregious figures in the field. I gave
him overall a 26 highest being he got a 10 in
deception and fabrication because of that. I
gave him a five for vibes just because I don't
know like if you watch him talk he doesn't seem
as bad as other people especially as you see
higher on the list. I gave him a two for harm
just because like who's actually watching Corey
Good? Eight for grift and one for legacy. Cause
again, he's going to be forgotten. Let's see.
And he sits at a 32 for me, which is the same
as David Wilcox. Yeah. So where does he, he comes
higher on your list than David Wilcox? Just a
little bit. Like he, overall we've gone, David
Wilcox got a 23. Okay. And Corey Good got a 26.
he is higher in deception and it's just because
of the lawsuit stuff and he came higher in deception
because i get slightly worse vibes from poor
good because he has like thrown people under
the bus with that whole lawsuit thing He has.
Yeah, I definitely, now that I'm looking back
on it, David Wilcox seems to just kind of associate
with anybody that he probably thinks that he
can use to make money off of this guy. Whereas
Cory Good, yeah, Cory Good's not going to be
a number two. He gives me, like, he tried to,
like, trademark this in court. Yeah. So... deception
and fabrication i gave him a 10 because he admitted
to it in court i did give him asshole vibes he
like he gives me the creeps even just listening
to him talk yeah but also i still don't get like
weird like creepy vibes from him I get like.
I do. No, I get. Yeah. And I guess, I don't know.
Asshole vibes in my mind are different than what
Corey Wood gives off. But I get that asshole
vibes can be very different for everybody. Yeah.
Yeah. To me, he gives me a very high asshole
vibe. But at the same time, I get where you're
saying that. But it's the same with David Wilcock,
which is funny that they were associated for
a while. They give me the same kind of insecure
vibes. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. And I actually
think I gave him slightly higher vibes. However,
he still had the balls in court come out and
say Blue Avians are my like mine child. They're
my intellectual property. I don't know that David
Wilcock would have the guts to do something like
that because it would discredit him. And this
guy's just an idiot. Oh, wow. Copilot has him
at number two at 44. Really? Yeah. And anyhow,
his legacy is a zero for me because I don't think
that he's everlasting to anybody. I put it right
at David Wilcox level. So yeah. Are they tied
for me? They're tied for me. Okay. Corey Good
maxes out deception and grift with fabricated
space program and aggressive monetization. His
vibes are toxic. Lawsuit betrayals and community
feuds. He scores high in legacy because his story
still echoes in UFO circles and his harm is significant
for misleading thousands. Nothing holds him back.
He's a top tier asshole. I mean, I don't disagree
with that. I don't think that co -pilot is wrong.
Okay, Chelsea, next up on my list is J3. from
season 5 episode 58 and 60 and technically from
the stanley tiger episode as well That's so funny.
J3 Productions is a media outfit that packages
fringe personalities and UFO paranormal claims
into slick documentaries and online content.
Their achievement is amplifying fringe narratives
and giving them professional polish, helping
figures reach wider audiences. Their asshole
actions come from monetizing sensationalism,
platforming dubious claims as truth, and profiling,
profiting from controversy cycles, even when
the content is fabricated or harmful. I gave
them overall a 26, leaving them at 31. Which
is, there's actually four of them tied at 26.
Kind of in random in here. Let me see what I
gave them. Their absolute highest is Grift for
me. Oh no, sorry. Yeah. Everything is equal in
my mind at six. Except Legacy, because they're
not going to be remembered in a two. Yeah, okay.
These guys were really hard for me to rank. I
agree. Let me tell you why. Deception and Fabrication.
They literally just wanted to make money. Yeah,
and that's... But also, they don't really charge
people for anything. Exactly. That's why I had
a hard time with this. That's why they were really
hard. So what got them the highest to me was
through Deception and Griff via association with
Stanley Tiger. Because they fully stood behind
that story and with him, even after the allegations.
They said, no, we're sticking with this. We're
sticking to this story. Because this one's so
clear in my mind. I didn't even need to listen
to the episode. But the weird thing is, too,
they never pivoted from, like, I forget what
the name of that series was, but they could have
restarted the series, but they're like, no, we
can't throw away that. Yeah, exactly. And his
story is totally separate from him being a pedophile.
But I couldn't say that was worse than a lot
of what other people have done, but I do get
now that we're talking about, like, the whole
pedophile thing, I probably should have given
it a higher deception. But it's... difficult
because it's not their story yeah it's stanley
tiger would score higher in the deception because
it's no and it's unfortunately yeah it's the
corporate bureaucracy exactly that at the end
of it it's so mundane and benign that it's hard
to like score it high and outside of stanley
tiger they have nothing their legacy i have is
a one no they're like i feel like their legacy
is like a four percent roi on investment yeah
like these guys had no interest in the community
or anything it was just how do we make money
i even put their grift at five like it even wasn't
even that high because obviously no because again
their videos are free on it harm i put it as
seven just because of the stance that they took
behind stanley tiger with this whole pedophile
thing they didn't really say anything about how
it was bad. They didn't put out a statement otherwise
or anything like that. So I put their harm higher
for that one because they could have actually
taken a stance on that and had their voices heard,
but then they wouldn't have made that much money
on it. Right. Who knows if they even made that
much money vibes. I put it a one because they're
real fucking boring guys. So I have them scoring
a 21. So they are 35 on my list. Oh, okay. So
they're lower for you. Okay. And just reaching
asshole level. Yeah, they were surprising for
me. I found them very hard in that means. And
you know what? I actually had them. Oh, no, sorry.
Copilot had them the highest at 30th with a score
of 35 overall, giving them basically sevens,
six and eights across the board. Interesting.
They say J3 scores high in Gryffin Legacy for
amplifying fringe figures with slick media. Their
deception is moderate. They platformed hoaxes,
but didn't invent them. Their vibes are middling,
seen as opportunistic, but not toxic. They're
held back by moderate harm since they amplify
nonsense rather than originate it. And this is
the one we're going to finish off with, Chelsea.
The next one on my list. Who is it? Bruce Gernon.
Who the fuck is that? From Electronic Five. Oh,
right. Season 4, episode 48. Groening claimed
to have flown through an electronic fog in the
Bermuda Triangle, inspiring paranormal aviation
lore. His achievement was popularizing this anomaly
through books and documentaries. His asshole
actions are modest. He exaggerated a personal
experience into pseudoscience, monetizing it
without strong evidence, but causing little direct
harm. Overall, I gave him a get a 26. He scored
very high in grift. And this is because I went
back and listened to the episode, and we went
to his website, and he literally has interview
pricing on his website of $5 ,000 for an episode.
And... At the same point, he also put on that
listing of things that you can pay him to do
was to get him to fly you places. And it was
significantly cheaper to get him to fly you places.
And I totally forgot about that. And like his
story was like, I flew into this fog and then
I got to Miami slightly faster than I was expecting.
Like, that's it. But he originated electronic
fog. He says he came up with it. He's the first
person to use it. So his legacy was high. His
grift is nine. I gave him fairly low arm, three.
Vibes, three. Deception and Fabrication, four.
Because, yeah. Yeah, see, he's low on my list.
Just because he flew under my radar for everything,
pretty much. Yeah, and the only reason he ended
up where he did on my list, because I went and
re -listened to it, and I was like, wait, he
has some pretty high grit. Yeah, you know what?
And I didn't remember the grift about him, but
you're right. He should be higher on my list.
But deception and fabrication to me was low -ish.
That could happen. Like, it's not lying, really.
Like, nothing was, like, completely out of source.
Like, you got somewhere on a different, like,
slightly different timeline than... It wasn't
even a huge timeline. It was just slightly different.
No, but it's the fact that, like, he made an
entire career out of this. Like, he pushed...
I don't know that he actually did. make a career
out of it though. He was on 50 different documentaries.
Was he? Yeah. And he said it was $5 ,000 for
him to sit down for a documentary. So like that
was on his schedule. Maybe. But we also don't
know if he actually ever got paid for any of
those. Yeah. Maybe he should be higher on it
then. Okay. I'll rank him higher on Griff, which
will put him slightly higher. But I mean, he
was fairly low. Maybe it's just because I forgot
him. Yeah. And that he is very easily forgettable.
Yeah. And he's actually incredibly low on Copilot.
They have him at 43 with a score. I can't find
their description, but Chelsea already gave you
their description. So that's fine. But I think
that's where we cut it off because we're at an
hour already and we've covered 10 guys so we
can keep going. Oh my gosh. I can't believe that
was 10 guys. We have done so many assholes. And
with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
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