WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:15.560 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.500 to Journey to the Fringe, where we are continuing 00:00:19.500 --> 00:00:22.960 on our look at the assholes, where we're ranking 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.510 them. None of them, as far as I'm aware, have 00:00:25.510 --> 00:00:28.789 paid to shoot anybody, which is probably a good 00:00:28.789 --> 00:00:32.469 thing. So maybe we break them a little too high. 00:00:32.750 --> 00:00:34.649 But man, it's going to be in the back of my mind 00:00:34.649 --> 00:00:42.229 for a few of them. Yep. Anyhow, this is a continuation 00:00:42.229 --> 00:00:44.409 from last week. So if you haven't, please go 00:00:44.409 --> 00:00:47.509 back and listen to part one of this series where 00:00:47.509 --> 00:00:49.409 we actually cover the people who we didn't think. 00:00:50.029 --> 00:00:52.369 conclusively, we all agreed probably are assholes. 00:00:52.570 --> 00:00:55.609 Although Copilot disagrees with us. Anyhow, we 00:00:55.609 --> 00:00:59.070 don't care about Copilot that much. Now, we're 00:00:59.070 --> 00:01:00.530 going to get into the people we consider real 00:01:00.530 --> 00:01:02.270 assholes. Now, before we get too far into this 00:01:02.270 --> 00:01:04.090 episode, we should go over the scoring system 00:01:04.090 --> 00:01:07.109 again really quickly. We're covering people that 00:01:07.109 --> 00:01:09.810 we've done episodes on in the past, ranking them 00:01:09.810 --> 00:01:13.569 on a score of 50 based on five different factors, 00:01:13.650 --> 00:01:17.109 deception and fabrication, vibes, harm, grift, 00:01:17.109 --> 00:01:20.209 and legacy, giving them a score of 50 on that, 00:01:20.329 --> 00:01:23.430 with anything below a 20 being likely not an 00:01:23.430 --> 00:01:26.170 asshole. We're starting to list 20 and up from 00:01:26.170 --> 00:01:30.030 here on out. And Chelsea, the first person to 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:34.409 reach. Non -asshole status on my list. No, no, 00:01:34.409 --> 00:01:37.370 asshole status. Sorry, to reach asshole status 00:01:37.370 --> 00:01:40.510 on my list. Just barely, because I know he's 00:01:40.510 --> 00:01:43.150 an asshole. But man, I don't want to think of 00:01:43.150 --> 00:01:46.769 him that way. Oh, who is it? Dr. Michael Sala. 00:01:46.950 --> 00:01:50.209 Oh, he's the first non -asshole. At 39 on the 00:01:50.209 --> 00:01:57.030 list. Season 5, episodes 62 and 64. Oh, that's 00:01:57.030 --> 00:02:01.480 an interesting ranking. Okay, let's, how do you 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.299 spell Sala? Where is he? S -A -L -A. Oh, there 00:02:04.299 --> 00:02:07.180 he is. In case you're wondering, Sala is the 00:02:07.180 --> 00:02:10.960 founder of ExoPolitics, which frames UFOs and 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.020 alien contact as a political science discipline. 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.539 His achievement was giving UFO narratives an 00:02:17.539 --> 00:02:20.580 academic veneer, making them appear scholarly. 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:26.379 So Chelsea, I gave him a 21 overall, his highest 00:02:26.379 --> 00:02:29.860 score being in Grift. He got a 6 in Harm, a 7 00:02:29.860 --> 00:02:33.300 in Grift, a 6 in Legacy. Deception and Fabrication, 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:36.500 I gave him a 2. Because I know he believes everything 00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:40.020 he's talking about. Oh, okay. And I gave him 00:02:40.020 --> 00:02:44.539 a 0 in Lies. Because there is absolutely no amount 00:02:44.539 --> 00:02:49.120 of asshole I see in that guy. He's a guy who 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:50.979 I look at and I'm like, I think he gets bullied. 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.139 Yeah, but I still look at him and I think asshole 00:02:54.139 --> 00:02:57.520 is my thing. So, sorry, what was your total score 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:03.020 for him? 21. Oh, mine's 32. I had to give him 00:03:03.020 --> 00:03:05.539 a zero in vibes because I do not get asshole 00:03:05.539 --> 00:03:07.900 vibes from him. I know he's an asshole, but I 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:11.060 gave him a zero in vibes. Interesting. Interesting. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.960 I give him a five. But that man could say anything. 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.319 Like, he could be advocating for genocide of 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.300 a group, and I'd say, like, with that, the way 00:03:20.300 --> 00:03:22.780 he talks, not an asshole. It's true. It's true. 00:03:22.819 --> 00:03:25.919 The way he talks, like, it's just... I get what 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.080 you're saying. I can't even describe it into 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.060 words, but yes, I get exactly what you're saying. 00:03:30.060 --> 00:03:33.099 He even says, like... When he starts out, he's 00:03:33.099 --> 00:03:35.000 like, we're just starting from a point that everything 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.379 that's being looked at is true. And there's a 00:03:37.379 --> 00:03:41.199 UFO implication behind it. It's true. And he 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.560 gets higher to me because he's still deceiving. 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.879 So I didn't give him the benefit of the doubt 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.960 on those ones. I don't think he's deceiving. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.159 And that's that weird thing about him. Like his 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.099 educational, like the background education for 00:03:54.099 --> 00:03:57.759 him. I don't think he's deceiving. But he got, 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.280 unfortunately. He is very grifty. Like, I think 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.159 that is very apparent from everything that you 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.840 look at with his websites. And his legacy of 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.759 exo -politics leads that group, the UFO community, 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:13.219 to have something, that term, to lean back on 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:17.060 to support anything that they do, which is where 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:19.899 he ends up being an asshole for me. Yeah. You 00:04:19.899 --> 00:04:22.079 know what? I can pick that up because, you know 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:25.019 what? Now that I look back on our ranking for 00:04:25.019 --> 00:04:29.509 deception and fabrication, it's knowingly. Yeah. 00:04:29.509 --> 00:04:32.930 So I might be able to come down a few pegs on 00:04:32.930 --> 00:04:36.430 the deception, but I think everything else I 00:04:36.430 --> 00:04:40.310 have is fairly accurate. Yeah. Though I might 00:04:40.310 --> 00:04:44.189 bring him down maybe on the harm. Maybe I can 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:48.269 come to a 28. Okay. I still think he's higher 00:04:48.269 --> 00:04:50.069 up there than some other people. Fair enough. 00:04:50.389 --> 00:04:53.209 But I just, the only other thing that got a zero 00:04:53.209 --> 00:04:57.509 for me. in um vibes was weekly world news i'm 00:04:57.509 --> 00:05:00.730 pretty sure shut up i think there might be a 00:05:00.730 --> 00:05:03.350 few more but there's other zeros i think on the 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:07.509 list but like i just do not get asshole vibes 00:05:07.509 --> 00:05:12.370 and i know he's an asshole too i just don't get 00:05:12.370 --> 00:05:15.769 the vibes no i still i still get the vibes i 00:05:15.769 --> 00:05:17.829 would come down on deception and fabrication 00:05:17.829 --> 00:05:21.620 i see i did get the vibes from him A little bit. 00:05:21.699 --> 00:05:25.259 Not full asshole vibes, but I did get a little 00:05:25.259 --> 00:05:26.819 bit of the vibes. And sorry, what number was 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:30.139 he on your list? Well, he was ranked, I have 00:05:30.139 --> 00:05:34.620 to add two, so I would say 25. Okay, and Copilot 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:38.879 has him at 26 with a score of 36. Another, I'm 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.560 coming very close. I do agree. I do think my 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.110 viewpoint is tainted. From watching him. Yeah. 00:05:46.410 --> 00:05:49.189 And I, out of everybody, actually, Copilot might 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:51.850 have seen more of him. But I do think I am the 00:05:51.850 --> 00:05:55.449 most attuned to him. See, here's why I, I'll 00:05:55.449 --> 00:05:58.089 tell you outright why I scored him a little bit 00:05:58.089 --> 00:06:01.329 higher on things. Because I specifically remember 00:06:01.329 --> 00:06:04.629 what was the last episode I did, Skinny Bob. 00:06:05.050 --> 00:06:07.870 Yes. And Michael Sala made an appearance. And 00:06:07.870 --> 00:06:10.370 as soon as I said Michael Sala, you were like, 00:06:10.569 --> 00:06:13.589 that's it. It's not real. It's not true, yeah. 00:06:13.870 --> 00:06:17.209 Yeah, so, and I know it was a small portion of 00:06:17.209 --> 00:06:19.889 it. As soon as you start, right off the bat, 00:06:20.209 --> 00:06:23.930 he says, everything I do just takes everything 00:06:23.930 --> 00:06:27.490 given to me as true, and then I go from there. 00:06:27.589 --> 00:06:30.350 See, and that means something, too, as an asshole, 00:06:30.529 --> 00:06:33.610 though. Yeah. It might not be a knowing asshole, 00:06:33.730 --> 00:06:37.709 but you're still an asshole. So, Copilot gave 00:06:37.709 --> 00:06:43.779 him. Copilot gave Salah a 36 overall. Salah scores 00:06:43.779 --> 00:06:46.879 high in deception and grip for pushing exopolitics 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.860 and monetizing UFO lore. His legacy is solid 00:06:49.860 --> 00:06:52.300 in UFO circles. His vibes are middling, seen 00:06:52.300 --> 00:06:55.040 as opportunistic, but not universally toxic. 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.120 He's held back by moderate harm since his influence 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.939 is cultural rather than destructive. You know 00:07:00.939 --> 00:07:03.600 what? I will agree with you. I could knock him 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.480 down a few pegs because I agree he's not destructive, 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.639 just an oblivious asshole. So I could knock him 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.300 down a few pegs. Absolutely. I gotta admit, I 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:15.360 think a lot of the bottom of my asshole list 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:19.160 is a lot of people who I like. Kind of in weird 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.360 ways that I couldn't put them higher. But I also 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.819 do think I can justify this. I wonder where this 00:07:25.819 --> 00:07:29.120 is going. Oh, and sorry. Did we say Michael Sala 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.279 before we move on? Season five, episode 62 and 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:33.939 64. I can't remember if I said it. Just need 00:07:33.939 --> 00:07:37.000 to add it in there. And that means at 38 on my 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.379 list, Chelsea, is... Who's it going to be? Andrew 00:07:40.379 --> 00:07:44.399 Baziago. Where's Baziago? Got a 21. Season three, 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.310 episode eight. I do like me a Basiago. And... 00:07:48.310 --> 00:07:52.329 But... Yeah, I fully expect him to be much higher 00:07:52.329 --> 00:07:55.209 on everybody's list. Yeah, but I do like him. 00:07:55.290 --> 00:07:58.189 See, I agree with you saying, though I don't 00:07:58.189 --> 00:08:01.410 have him that low, I can't... Who did we just 00:08:01.410 --> 00:08:04.009 do? Salah. Yeah. Where are you? Oh, he's lower 00:08:04.009 --> 00:08:06.480 than Michael Salah. Okay. Yeah. So... Vaziago 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.420 is best known for claiming he participated in 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:10.439 secret government time travel and Mars missions. 00:08:10.660 --> 00:08:13.439 His achievement was building a niche following 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.600 inserting himself in the UFO disclosure narrative. 00:08:15.939 --> 00:08:18.000 His asshole actions include fabricating elaborate 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.980 stories, monetizing them through appearances, 00:08:20.139 --> 00:08:22.019 self -promotion, and misleading audiences with 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:26.000 fantastical claims. I give him a 22 overall. 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:28.699 His highest score is being in deception and fabrication 00:08:28.699 --> 00:08:32.580 and fives. I give him seven in deception, seven 00:08:32.580 --> 00:08:36.279 in vibes, one in harm, six in grift and one in 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.539 legacy because he is going to be forgotten like 00:08:38.539 --> 00:08:41.559 immediately i think this is the closest we've 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.100 come so far in a total i am at a 23 oh yeah right 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:49.320 there and i yeah he would have much lower vibes 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.519 if his website did not have those hidden words 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:58.740 those skyrocket the vibes those just got so weird 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.059 And if he had run for president this past term 00:09:02.059 --> 00:09:04.279 as well, because like he was supposed to be president. 00:09:04.379 --> 00:09:07.600 So what the hell? This is like his last chance, 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:10.179 wasn't it? There's maybe one more. You know, 00:09:10.299 --> 00:09:13.159 the hidden porn links just does it for me. That 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.159 was like the most memorable thing about him. 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:20.779 But he's a lawyer, you know, and in my head, 00:09:20.779 --> 00:09:23.720 I still look back at him as a lawyer. Yeah. Well, 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.159 and that's why I'm like. He did on his website. 00:09:26.340 --> 00:09:28.700 And like he never had, like I looked up, there 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:30.659 weren't complaints against him. Like he had a 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:34.039 successful practice. See, and that's where he 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.740 gets like kind of a lower vibe on me. But he 00:09:37.740 --> 00:09:41.440 got a very high deception. And there's almost 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.639 something about him that doesn't... There are 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.440 vibes. There are weird vibes. There are weird 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.279 vibes, but it doesn't properly amalgamate within 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.860 myself. To an asshole, right? The type of person 00:09:52.860 --> 00:09:56.159 he is. Right? But he is. Like he had a unicorn 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.200 in his logo thing on his shirt. I know! Okay, 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.500 so this is what I remember. The unicorn logo, 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:07.970 the porn links, and that he's a lawyer. And that 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.049 gave him a score of 23. We are right beside each 00:10:11.049 --> 00:10:14.210 other. Copilot has him 29th on their list with 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:18.460 a 35. They say... that Vazio scores high in deception 00:10:18.460 --> 00:10:21.080 for fabricated time travel. His grift is moderate 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.899 with books and appearances. His legacy is middling, 00:10:23.899 --> 00:10:26.759 remembered in fringe circles. His vibes are middling, 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.620 eccentric, but not universally toxic. And they 00:10:29.620 --> 00:10:31.919 don't take into account those hidden links. That 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.279 might be the difference. See, no, I don't think 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.639 nobody is. I think you stumbled onto something 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:41.080 by accident that nobody else knows. I think it's 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.379 a secret. And I think their description hits 00:10:44.379 --> 00:10:48.419 it dead on. It was... In my head, I associate 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:51.399 him with Corey Goode with the Secret Space Program. 00:10:51.580 --> 00:10:55.059 Okay. And for that, he scores high on the deception 00:10:55.059 --> 00:10:57.620 and fabrication for me. Very high. Okay. And 00:10:57.620 --> 00:10:59.360 the last thing it says here is he's held back 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.740 by moderate harm since his claims misled but 00:11:01.740 --> 00:11:05.100 didn't ruin anybody's lives. So they gave him 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:06.159 a 35 overall. I would agree with that completely. 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.700 We have 22 and 23. Yeah. So we're right. And 00:11:09.700 --> 00:11:13.809 Coppola's wrong. Yeah. Though... I agree with 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.610 what Copilot gave as a description, so I just 00:11:16.610 --> 00:11:20.190 think their scoring's off. Next up, at 37, I 00:11:20.190 --> 00:11:25.029 have John Teeter, Season 2, Episode 44. Teeter 00:11:25.029 --> 00:11:28.210 was an anonymous internet persona in the early 00:11:28.210 --> 00:11:31.190 2000s who claimed to be a time traveler from 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:34.629 2036. His achievement was creating one of the 00:11:34.629 --> 00:11:37.690 most enduring internet legends, sparking forums, 00:11:37.909 --> 00:11:43.629 debates, and memes. I have him at... 34. Oh, 00:11:43.669 --> 00:11:45.970 not that far. This is pretty much... Yeah, we're 00:11:45.970 --> 00:11:48.549 very close. And I gave him an overall of a 22. 00:11:48.950 --> 00:11:52.970 I have a 21. Wow. I think his highest score is 00:11:52.970 --> 00:11:56.009 in Legacy with a 7 because I do think this story 00:11:56.009 --> 00:12:00.330 lives on fairly well. And I gave him a 6 for 00:12:00.330 --> 00:12:03.429 Deception and Fabrication. 5. The story gives 00:12:03.429 --> 00:12:06.309 weird vibes, so I gave him a 5. I don't think 00:12:06.309 --> 00:12:08.730 his story has any harm attached to it. And as 00:12:08.730 --> 00:12:11.230 far as I can remember, there's not a lot of grift. 00:12:11.309 --> 00:12:14.110 He didn't really monetize this story. Yeah, yeah, 00:12:14.149 --> 00:12:17.029 I would agree completely with those. I gave very 00:12:17.029 --> 00:12:20.350 low on harm. I don't know about grift. That one 00:12:20.350 --> 00:12:22.250 I did score a little bit higher. But now that 00:12:22.250 --> 00:12:26.309 you say that, you're right. Though, even though 00:12:26.309 --> 00:12:30.490 it wasn't monetary, he was on forums. He was 00:12:30.490 --> 00:12:34.330 on Coast to Coast AM. he was but I don't actually 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:36.549 think it was like plug your stuff I don't remember 00:12:36.549 --> 00:12:39.090 him ever plugging it no it wasn't you're right 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:41.730 it was more about the storytelling and for deception 00:12:41.730 --> 00:12:43.909 I gave him very high see I think he was on there 00:12:43.909 --> 00:12:45.909 to deceive I don't think he was on there to make 00:12:45.909 --> 00:12:48.600 a buck yeah And the thing about Coast to Coast 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.659 AM, though he did go on the forums, was Art Bell 00:12:51.659 --> 00:12:54.179 always said part of what he did was storytelling. 00:12:54.299 --> 00:12:58.200 So you never know with stuff like that. But Legacy, 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:01.620 I have Legacy low, but you're right. He is one 00:13:01.620 --> 00:13:04.820 of the big hitters. Though you don't see time 00:13:04.820 --> 00:13:07.059 travelers talked about that much anymore. You 00:13:07.059 --> 00:13:10.879 really don't. Do you? No. No. Why is it going 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.759 away? I don't know. And weirdly enough. You would 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.019 think it would be more and more now that we're 00:13:15.019 --> 00:13:15.620 coming into technology. As more time goes by, 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:18.759 there should be more time travel. Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.440 And now that our technology gets, like, further 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:23.500 along, you would think there'd be more talk of 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:25.600 time travel. And weirdly enough, this is one 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:30.100 of the lower scores. John Titor is number 44 00:13:30.100 --> 00:13:35.159 on Copilot's list with a score of 27. Interesting. 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:37.799 Do we know what it says about him? Teeter scores 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.159 high in deception for fabricating the time travel 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.519 persona. His legacy is moderate, remembered as 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:45.039 an internet legend. His vibes were neutral, more 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.899 prankster than toxic. He's held back by low harm 00:13:47.899 --> 00:13:50.419 and grit since his hoax was cultural fun rather 00:13:50.419 --> 00:13:53.639 than exploitation. Well, yeah. Yeah, so that's 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.399 where it falls on there. This one I think might 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.799 be the most decisive choice I have made here, 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.440 Chelsea, at number 36. Right at the middle of 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.139 the list. Well, this is a very middling individual 00:14:05.139 --> 00:14:08.100 and he's going to be in your middle too. I just 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:10.340 don't think you'll expect it this low. Okay. 00:14:10.460 --> 00:14:14.480 Can I take a guess? Is it going to be George 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:19.740 Norris? No, it's not. Okay. This is David Wilcock. 00:14:19.980 --> 00:14:27.440 Season 2's episode 25, 26, 27, and 28. And 29 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:33.419 and 30. It felt like, why? Why don't you read 00:14:33.419 --> 00:14:35.480 the description and then I'll tell you how I 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.279 scored him. I'm mind blown right now. Because 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.799 to me, he's one of the biggest fucking assholes. 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.639 You know what? He probably, looking at my score, 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.440 I probably could give him a few higher scores. 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:50.019 But I think overall, I'm in the right spot. He 00:14:50.019 --> 00:14:53.200 was... I'll compare mine and tell you where I 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.299 put him. Wilcock rose to prominence as a New 00:14:56.299 --> 00:14:59.779 Age author and lecturer, weaving together Atlantis 00:14:59.779 --> 00:15:03.419 myths, Ascension narratives, and UFO lore. His 00:15:03.419 --> 00:15:06.019 achievement lies in building a large following 00:15:06.019 --> 00:15:09.759 and... Large following? I think that following 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.919 is dwindled now. And influencing the modern spiritual 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.600 fringe landscape through books and appearances. 00:15:18.669 --> 00:15:21.129 Okay, where do I have him on mine? Oh, he's lower 00:15:21.129 --> 00:15:26.710 on mine than I thought too. Whoa. I didn't even 00:15:26.710 --> 00:15:29.230 look at this. Where is he? So again, I have him 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:34.710 at 36. He got a 9 in grift for me. That is his 00:15:34.710 --> 00:15:36.429 absolute highest score. It's the highest score 00:15:36.429 --> 00:15:38.769 we've seen on this list at this point in mine. 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.620 But he got a one in legacy. He is going to be 00:15:42.620 --> 00:15:44.960 immediately. He has been immediately forgotten. 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.200 We're like one of the few people that still. 00:15:47.299 --> 00:15:51.940 Oh, you're fucking right. So, okay. Here's where 00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:55.659 we're varying. I think I have him at a 23. Yeah. 00:15:55.700 --> 00:15:59.480 See, I have a 23. He's just 36. I bet you we 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.659 scored the same on everything else. So I have 00:16:01.659 --> 00:16:04.980 them at a 10 for deception and fabrication. I 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:08.379 have them at an eight for vibes. I have him at 00:16:08.379 --> 00:16:11.740 a four for harm. I have him at a 10 for grift 00:16:11.740 --> 00:16:16.179 and you're going to like this for legacy. I have 00:16:16.179 --> 00:16:19.279 him at a 10 with brackets in my heart, which 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:25.039 also means his legacy. Like, like to me, he's 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.419 like the biggest asshole because nostalgically 00:16:28.419 --> 00:16:32.100 David Wilcock is like my original asshole. Yeah. 00:16:32.179 --> 00:16:36.360 But. Yeah. Which is why I scored him at a 10. 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.740 But I, at the same time, I agree with you because 00:16:39.740 --> 00:16:44.179 like I just joked, his audience is dwindling 00:16:44.179 --> 00:16:47.559 now. And I would probably, if I was being honest. 00:16:48.009 --> 00:16:50.230 probably put him at a one as well because he's 00:16:50.230 --> 00:16:53.769 easily forgettable yeah but 10 in my heart because 00:16:53.769 --> 00:16:56.350 he's such an ad and that's why i turn into his 00:16:56.350 --> 00:16:58.470 lives just so i can laugh at him and he's even 00:16:58.470 --> 00:17:01.389 letting me down even you the person who gave 00:17:01.389 --> 00:17:04.730 him a 10 in legacy forget that he goes live on 00:17:04.730 --> 00:17:11.170 sunday sometimes so i gave him an h for deception 00:17:11.170 --> 00:17:14.430 and fabrication just because i don't think he 00:17:14.430 --> 00:17:18.109 cares enough he's not I just don't think he cares 00:17:18.109 --> 00:17:21.009 for a lot of it. I do think there is definitely 00:17:21.009 --> 00:17:24.509 some lying. But I think most of it is laziness. 00:17:24.750 --> 00:17:29.349 Yep. I gave him a three for vibes. Because if... 00:17:29.349 --> 00:17:32.109 You gave him a three for asshole vibes? Yeah. 00:17:32.410 --> 00:17:36.250 And I... Okay, but does thinking too highly of 00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:39.349 yourself count for ass? It can. Because he scores 00:17:39.349 --> 00:17:41.269 a ten. But this is another thing. And that's 00:17:41.269 --> 00:17:44.130 where you see that from him. I gave him a three 00:17:44.130 --> 00:17:47.029 because if somebody said, Taylor, let's pretend 00:17:47.029 --> 00:17:49.849 that you believe in alpha and beta levels for 00:17:49.849 --> 00:17:52.690 men. What would be your definition of a beta? 00:17:52.829 --> 00:17:55.329 And I would say, oh, David Wilcock. Like beyond 00:17:55.329 --> 00:17:59.710 a shadow of a doubt. He will always grovel as 00:17:59.710 --> 00:18:02.990 a number two kind. And I don't think he's done 00:18:02.990 --> 00:18:06.410 that much harm. Yes, he's out there, but he did 00:18:06.410 --> 00:18:09.849 like the 2012 stuff and just pivoted and didn't 00:18:09.849 --> 00:18:12.670 even think about it. See, we speculate about 00:18:12.670 --> 00:18:15.450 David Wilcock. I listened to his arch nemesis, 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:17.910 Stephen Cambion, which is a little hard to listen 00:18:17.910 --> 00:18:20.849 to because he's just so homophobic about it. 00:18:21.130 --> 00:18:26.450 And I don't think he's a beta. I think he's a 00:18:26.450 --> 00:18:30.029 person that is so self -conscious about himself. 00:18:30.859 --> 00:18:33.740 And I think that's where you get the cockiness 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:36.700 about him. But this isn't about me just analyzing 00:18:36.700 --> 00:18:39.819 David Wilcox. And the weird thing about his cockiness 00:18:39.819 --> 00:18:42.900 is it's so made up. You can see right through 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:46.460 his cockiness. Yeah, and it's way overplayed, 00:18:46.460 --> 00:18:49.819 but I think he's just so self -conscious about 00:18:49.819 --> 00:18:51.319 himself. If you ever pushed him on cockiness, 00:18:51.380 --> 00:18:54.460 he would immediately submit. That's what I get 00:18:54.460 --> 00:18:57.160 from him. And this is the weird thing about David 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.359 Wilcock and why he fell so low. And also, he 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.559 doesn't, I don't think he has very many original 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.839 ideas. No. He waits to see where the winds are 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.559 and then he just picks up what's around. Yeah. 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.380 He plays a lot off of other people's research. 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.319 Yeah. Right now, his thing is Stephen Grew. Yeah. 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.180 And he's sucking up to him. Yeah. Yeah. And then 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:21.019 there was Corey Good, who, of course, has gone 00:19:21.019 --> 00:19:25.099 very sour legally for multiple reasons, which 00:19:25.099 --> 00:19:27.400 gets him pretty high on my asshole list. But 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.500 obviously, he scored lower than I thought he 00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:32.720 would definitely, though. Yeah. And I do think 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.700 at the end of the day, he has no legacy. Zero 00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:38.680 legacy. Sorry, one legacy. Yeah, I think you're 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.460 right. He tied with Andrew Basiago and Paul Benowitz 00:19:42.460 --> 00:19:45.759 as my only ones in legacy. And it's because, 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.119 like, if anything, he was going to be a remember 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.500 of 2012. He doesn't even talk about that anymore. 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.519 Like, he doesn't even pretend that there was 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.019 something about it that, like, is still continuing 00:19:55.019 --> 00:19:57.299 on. Why would he? But you could so easily say, 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.730 like... oh, this is the transition period that 00:19:59.730 --> 00:20:01.650 we're in. It will be so easy. And he's like, 00:20:01.710 --> 00:20:03.809 no, don't even talk about it anymore. Just pretend 00:20:03.809 --> 00:20:06.769 it didn't happen. See, I forgot in all of this 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:09.650 not to have my personal bias included in it. 00:20:10.910 --> 00:20:13.930 Here's my problem. So I could knock him down 00:20:13.930 --> 00:20:15.990 a few. But I think it's fine to keep him where 00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:18.190 you are. Again, we have the exact same score, 00:20:18.410 --> 00:20:22.910 23. Yeah. Interesting. And sorry, we haven't 00:20:22.910 --> 00:20:25.210 even gotten to the co -pilots yet, so I'm just 00:20:25.210 --> 00:20:26.130 going to pull that up really quick. Oh, what 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:30.450 does co -pilot do? Wilcox is... Wow, they have 00:20:30.450 --> 00:20:34.500 him at 11th with a 40 overall. And denying it 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:37.240 grift. So they agree on that. Yeah, we all agree 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.599 at the grift because he straight up told people 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.359 on YouTube. Yeah, I'm just not going to do it 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.759 if I don't get money. And they say, Wilcox's 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.720 grift and deception are strong. Endless books, 00:20:45.859 --> 00:20:48.180 courses, and dubious claims. His vibes are poor 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.799 because he's often seen as arrogant and dismissive. 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:53.920 Throwing allies under the bus. Actually, that 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.819 would probably push his vibes up for me. He scores 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:59.539 high in legacy for shaping modern new age UFO 00:20:59.539 --> 00:21:01.920 lore, but he's held back. I don't think he shapes 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.940 it. Yeah, I agree fully, but he's held back slightly 00:21:03.940 --> 00:21:06.079 because his harm is more cultural than personal. 00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:08.700 Yeah. And that's where I scored him really low 00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.059 was in harm. I don't think he's harming anyone. 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.839 And that's another thing I have against his arch 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:17.119 nemesis, Stephen Cambium. He insults his followers 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.660 and just let them be, man. Just let them be. 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:22.700 Yeah, I agree with that. Just let them live their 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:25.359 life. who cares if they want to throw them a 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.460 hundred bucks if they have it i'm sure they're 00:21:27.460 --> 00:21:30.160 not spending you know the last food they have 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.500 for money i really hope they're not because man 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:35.200 there's some whenever he says like oh man my 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.079 life's so tough what are you guys dealing with 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.640 and there's like cancer like a lot of cancer 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:43.630 in there And he's like, yeah, well, we're all 00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:48.490 through a hard time. But that's where I think 00:21:48.490 --> 00:21:51.109 he's very low in harm. Like who cares? These 00:21:51.109 --> 00:21:53.450 people are doing it of their own free will. Like 00:21:53.450 --> 00:21:57.109 who gives a shit? Don't insult them. Just there's 00:21:57.109 --> 00:21:59.289 someone out there doing every type of thing. 00:21:59.349 --> 00:22:01.710 Just fucking let them be. We're all humans. Let 00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:03.569 them throw away their money where they want. 00:22:03.690 --> 00:22:06.170 I choose to throw it away on other stupid things, 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:08.890 but they choose to throw it away on David Wilcock. 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.559 Who I'm sure would do anything for money. Yes, 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:17.519 he would. He almost does on that show. It's true. 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.940 Okay, next up. I don't know where this is going 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:24.940 to fall on your list, Chelsea. And I don't think 00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:27.359 this is a number that's set in stone for this 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.579 person. Because this is one where I feel like 00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:30.960 there's going to be an update in the next five 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.279 years that really tells us where they fall on 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.599 this list. Next up, at number 35, is Tom DeLonge. 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:41.579 Season 2, episodes 35 and 36. Ooh, I have him 00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:44.890 at 37. Okay. not that far off no tom de long 00:22:44.890 --> 00:22:47.869 former blink -182 front man founded to the stars 00:22:47.869 --> 00:22:50.390 academy to push ufo disclosure his achievement 00:22:50.390 --> 00:22:53.269 was mainstreaming ufo discourse bringing government 00:22:53.269 --> 00:22:55.650 documents and credible figures into the spotlight 00:22:55.650 --> 00:22:58.569 his actions include mixing legitimate evidence 00:22:58.569 --> 00:23:00.769 with speculative claims monetizing through media 00:23:00.769 --> 00:23:03.609 ventures and hyping investors with promises that 00:23:03.609 --> 00:23:06.529 blurred entertainment and disclosure i gave him 00:23:06.529 --> 00:23:11.579 overall a 24 which is the exact same oh no sorry 00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:15.180 one above david wilcock and i don't know if it's 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:18.220 gonna be for asshole purposes his highest score 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:20.240 is an eight in legacy because i think no matter 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.559 what happens he's going to be remembered for 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.839 this it's true he got a six in vibes just because 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.220 i think he's easily taken advantage of you can 00:23:30.220 --> 00:23:32.839 see it when he does interviews about this but 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:35.059 i don't think he's lying in any way and i don't 00:23:35.059 --> 00:23:38.990 think he's done any harm per se yet Also, he's 00:23:38.990 --> 00:23:42.029 gotten very high in grift because of what he's 00:23:42.029 --> 00:23:44.190 done with To The Stars Academy and the very weird 00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:48.099 practices with stock options. Oh, you're right. 00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:51.019 And I think I could update some things. I do 00:23:51.019 --> 00:23:53.579 think this number will change in the future as 00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:55.500 we see what To The Stars Academy does, because 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:57.619 they've been very silent for a while here. They 00:23:57.619 --> 00:23:59.799 have. I do think there's a chance he becomes 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.920 the John Lear of this generation, which is a 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.700 weird way to say it. But after... It is a very 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:07.380 weird way to say it. I finished reading a book 00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:10.799 today, UFO Spooks and Kooks, which I finally 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.640 finished. And I realized there are a lot of parallels 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.880 between them. Interesting. Yeah. See, I scored 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:20.920 him very low on deception and vibes. Hear me 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:24.279 out. I agree with you now about the whole To 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.140 The Stars Academy. And so I might bump him up 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:29.220 a bit there because I did not get the chance 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:32.700 to listen back to that episode in season two, 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.980 episode 35, 36. I scored him very low because 00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:41.359 Tom DeLonge reminds me a lot of me. in the fact 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.319 that he's just passionate about UFOs and he just 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.539 loves UFOs and he used his platform for Blink 00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:52.519 -182 to like get in with these people. And I 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:54.799 think you're right. I think that leads him to 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.720 be easily taken advantage of by the grifters 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.960 in the UFO community. So that's where I score 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:07.289 him lower because I think that he's... He's lower 00:25:07.289 --> 00:25:09.670 in something for me. And right now I don't know 00:25:09.670 --> 00:25:13.349 what it is. Maybe it's vibes. Yeah, that very 00:25:13.349 --> 00:25:16.970 well could be. Yeah, because grift, I think it 00:25:16.970 --> 00:25:19.430 is higher because he's using also to the stars 00:25:19.430 --> 00:25:23.150 to sell merchandise. So I have him at a 17, but 00:25:23.150 --> 00:25:25.589 I think he should be a little bit higher now 00:25:25.589 --> 00:25:28.250 that you put it that way. I think you put it 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:31.869 very well. Okay, well. Actually, he's very low 00:25:31.869 --> 00:25:34.250 on the co -pilots list as well. They give him 00:25:34.250 --> 00:25:37.690 a 31 and he is 40th on their list. But I think 00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:40.349 we're in agreement here that we're still waiting 00:25:40.349 --> 00:25:41.910 to see what his score is going to be because 00:25:41.910 --> 00:25:44.849 his story is still going. Absolutely. And he 00:25:44.849 --> 00:25:47.950 did put out that book. Yeah. The Secret Machines. 00:25:47.950 --> 00:25:50.089 Yeah. And there's that whole second side and 00:25:50.089 --> 00:25:51.369 there's a lot of stories. I think we're going 00:25:51.369 --> 00:25:53.529 to, we'll have to do an update in the next couple 00:25:53.529 --> 00:25:55.930 of years on Tom DeLonge and To The Stars. Oh, 00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:58.410 absolutely. Maybe I didn't think fully about 00:25:58.410 --> 00:26:00.309 it because again, it was an episode that I didn't 00:26:00.309 --> 00:26:02.450 listen to. Oh, and that's the weird thing is 00:26:02.450 --> 00:26:04.529 the ones you listen to, you realize, oh, these 00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:06.450 are all the asshole things I forgot about. And 00:26:06.450 --> 00:26:09.849 it moves them on. Yeah. And this one was back 00:26:09.849 --> 00:26:12.970 from season two. Jeez. Yeah. So... Didn't feel 00:26:12.970 --> 00:26:15.250 like that long ago. That was three years ago. 00:26:15.430 --> 00:26:18.690 I cannot remember all the details for all the 00:26:18.690 --> 00:26:21.029 assholes. Tom DeLong, co -pilot, says DeLong 00:26:21.029 --> 00:26:23.450 scores high in legacy for bringing UFOs into 00:26:23.450 --> 00:26:24.970 mainstream pop culture. We're all in agreement 00:26:24.970 --> 00:26:27.470 with that. His deception is moderate. He amplified 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:31.069 dubious claims. He doesn't think they're dubious, 00:26:31.069 --> 00:26:33.150 though. That's the whole thing with it. His grift 00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:35.930 is solid with media projects. His vibes are middling. 00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:39.690 Seen as enthusiastic but naive. He's held back 00:26:39.690 --> 00:26:42.910 by low harm since his influence was more entertainment 00:26:42.910 --> 00:26:46.630 than exploitation. Okay, I can pick that. That's 00:26:46.630 --> 00:26:49.170 pretty much what you were saying as well, I think. 00:26:49.210 --> 00:26:51.210 Yeah. For the most part. Yeah, I think they gave 00:26:51.210 --> 00:26:53.930 him a lower mark. Overall, they gave him a 20. 00:26:54.150 --> 00:26:57.829 Sorry, I gave him a 24. They gave him a 31. So 00:26:57.829 --> 00:27:01.220 they're just scoring higher. They are scoring 00:27:01.220 --> 00:27:04.319 very high in general, yes. But anyhow, we can 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.039 move on next. Chelsea, next on my list at 34 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.240 is Edgar Mitchell. Season 5, episodes 40 and 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.359 42. Okay, where is he on mine? Well, let's tell 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.960 us about him. Oh, he's low. Yeah. Oh, sorry, 00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:21.059 I got excited again. Mitchell was an Apollo 14 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:24.180 astronaut who later became a UFO and consciousness 00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:27.660 advocate. His achievement was his role in NASA 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:30.460 history and lending astronaut credibility to 00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:33.660 fringe topics. His asshole actions were relatively 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:37.420 mild. He promoted speculative UFO claims and 00:27:37.420 --> 00:27:40.559 paranormal ideas but didn't exploit followers 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.039 or monetize heavily making him eccentric rather 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:49.099 than predatory. And I gave him overall a 24 with 00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:51.720 the highest being legacy because he is going 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.900 to be remembered and used. And I think the further 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:57.619 away we get from him and especially, I can't 00:27:57.619 --> 00:27:59.119 remember if he's alive or not. I didn't go back 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.759 and listen to these ones. But after he dies and 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.660 especially like in the future, he's going to 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:09.019 be used as the astronaut who pushed this stuff. 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.619 And that's... And he was even alive if I remember 00:28:12.619 --> 00:28:15.410 correctly back from his episode. Yeah. Well, 00:28:15.450 --> 00:28:17.289 a lot of the stuff he did was when he was alive. 00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:19.369 And I gave him a seven for deception, which most 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:24.089 people might not agree with. But it's deception 00:28:24.089 --> 00:28:28.750 by omission and letting people believe that because 00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:30.950 you're an astronaut, you have direct evidence 00:28:30.950 --> 00:28:33.970 about this. And he never has anything. That's 00:28:33.970 --> 00:28:36.619 the annoying part with Edgar Mitchell. Oh, good 00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:39.440 point. See, and I didn't score him that high 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.200 with deception, but you're right. He was a believer 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.700 in it. So I think that might be a little bit 00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:48.140 sneaky to put him a little bit higher in deception. 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.059 Yeah, that's the annoying thing. It was never 00:28:50.059 --> 00:28:52.240 firsthand evidence. It was always people telling 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.990 him stuff. but the fact that he was an astronaut 00:28:54.990 --> 00:28:57.130 he didn't have it yeah the fact that he was an 00:28:57.130 --> 00:28:59.410 astronaut let people believe that oh an astronaut 00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:01.430 believes this so he must have first -hand evidence 00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:04.609 or it must be something that we can use but no 00:29:04.609 --> 00:29:07.369 he was just a believer yeah i didn't take into 00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:11.109 the as an omission as a part of the deception 00:29:11.109 --> 00:29:13.789 but you're right when you say that my highest 00:29:13.789 --> 00:29:17.220 one was legacy Because of that. So if I was to 00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:20.019 take in the omission part, I think he would be 00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:22.240 a little bit higher on mine. He's fairly low 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.000 on mine. He was another person like Tom DeLonge, 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.019 who's just naive. So kind of was like, I believe 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:33.279 it. So I'm going to talk about it. I think they're 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.680 very similar, him and Tom DeLonge. Yeah, that's 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:37.700 a very fair point in that they have celebrity 00:29:37.700 --> 00:29:40.549 status outside. Yeah, and they're very close 00:29:40.549 --> 00:29:44.230 on my list too by that. We just found the bottom 00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:47.349 of Copilot's list. This is their bottom. What? 00:29:47.589 --> 00:29:51.750 Yeah. Really? Oh, so we have Tom DeLonge and 00:29:51.750 --> 00:29:55.849 Edgar Mitchell coming up fairly low. Yeah. So 00:29:55.849 --> 00:29:58.690 Mitchell scores low overall. His legacy is decent 00:29:58.690 --> 00:30:02.089 as an astronaut, but his UFO advocacy was eccentric 00:30:02.089 --> 00:30:04.809 rather than exploitative. His deception, grift, 00:30:04.809 --> 00:30:07.390 and harm are low. His vibes are neutral, more 00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:10.069 quirky than toxic. He's held back because his 00:30:10.069 --> 00:30:12.210 fringe claims were minor compared to his genuine 00:30:12.210 --> 00:30:14.720 achievements. And I think we're picking up on 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.400 the same vibes as we were with Tom Belong. I 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.859 think they're very similar. They just had a genuine 00:30:19.859 --> 00:30:23.339 passion about it. I don't think it's exploitative 00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:25.519 by any means, except for Tom Belong. He's scoring 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.480 higher because of the merchandise selling as 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.700 well and profiting off of it. That whole corporation 00:30:31.700 --> 00:30:35.690 thing, yeah. As far as the naivete goes between 00:30:35.690 --> 00:30:37.890 the two of them, I think it's very, very similar. 00:30:38.029 --> 00:30:41.430 They just have a passion for it and took it from 00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:45.109 there. Okay, next up on my list at 33, I have 00:30:45.109 --> 00:30:47.809 Carl Allen from The Philadelphia Experiment, 00:30:48.049 --> 00:30:51.650 season two, episode 45. Hey, I do not have that 00:30:51.650 --> 00:30:54.849 same person there. Where are you, Carl Allen? 00:30:54.990 --> 00:30:58.029 Carl Allen, also known as Carlos Allende, is 00:30:58.029 --> 00:31:00.490 the man behind the letters that birthed The Philadelphia 00:31:00.490 --> 00:31:03.509 Experiment. The idea that the U .S. Navy teleported 00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:06.009 a ship in 1943. His achievement was creating 00:31:06.009 --> 00:31:08.309 one of the most enduring conspiracy legends in 00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:11.650 UFO and paranormal lore. He did fabricate it. 00:31:11.690 --> 00:31:14.089 The whole story, wholesale. Misleading researchers 00:31:14.089 --> 00:31:17.029 for decades and seeding paranoia that still circulates 00:31:17.029 --> 00:31:21.690 today. I gave him overall a 25. His highest are 00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:25.710 in deception and legacy. Nines in each of those. 00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:29.579 I gave him a 3 in vibes. I don't... He was a 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:31.299 guy with mental health problems, if you go back 00:31:31.299 --> 00:31:33.240 and listen to the episode. And he didn't try 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.599 to profit from it. And at the end of the day, 00:31:35.619 --> 00:31:38.460 it's a weird story, but I don't think it caused 00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:41.480 any harm. And I will say, just right now, there 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.359 are multiple people we could have taken out of 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.140 the Philadelphia Experiment episode. This is 00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:48.019 the only one we took out. I have him higher just 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:52.059 because he's probably one of the more recognizable 00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:55.130 people. I know we're going to have a few people 00:31:55.130 --> 00:31:57.289 on this list that you're kind of like, huh? And 00:31:57.289 --> 00:31:59.910 I was even like, huh? We did this person until 00:31:59.910 --> 00:32:02.930 I remembered where they're coming from. But the 00:32:02.930 --> 00:32:06.289 Philadelphia experiment is... Oh, legacy -wise, 00:32:06.430 --> 00:32:09.049 I gave it a nine. Infamous. It could have probably 00:32:09.049 --> 00:32:12.009 been a ten. I agree. I put Grift up there as 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:14.670 well, just because now that you say that, you're 00:32:14.670 --> 00:32:17.509 right with the mental health. He didn't mean 00:32:17.509 --> 00:32:20.190 to either. I don't know, though, because otherwise, 00:32:20.289 --> 00:32:22.789 why did he do it? Because he had mental health 00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:25.430 problems. Sorry, I went back and listened to 00:32:25.430 --> 00:32:27.529 the episode. He had mental health problems. Oh, 00:32:27.549 --> 00:32:30.289 you listened to it. Okay. See, and I didn't. 00:32:30.329 --> 00:32:32.109 There's the thing. We could have done one other 00:32:32.109 --> 00:32:34.130 guy in that episode, and it's the guy who watched 00:32:34.130 --> 00:32:36.470 the movie. And he's like, wait, everything's 00:32:36.470 --> 00:32:39.049 coming back to me. Yes. We probably should have 00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:42.470 picked him to do this on. I picked Carl Allen, 00:32:42.569 --> 00:32:45.259 though. Yeah. And he was the one who time traveled 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:48.200 like multiple times. It was great. Great episode. 00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:50.799 Also, sorry. One thing I need to say right now, 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.880 every asshole episode we did, they're a great 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.140 episode to go back and listen to. Just saying 00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:58.940 that now. Oh yeah. This one's season two, episode 00:32:58.940 --> 00:33:02.059 45. Go listen. It's great. All great episodes. 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:04.880 All of them. We're ranking them now, but don't 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.099 go by rank. Just go listen to them. They're all 00:33:07.099 --> 00:33:09.039 fantastic. And like I said, there's multiple 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.740 assholes in there. We could put on the list. 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.619 I only put Carl Allen on. And I did love that 00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:15.960 just like his pseudonyms were always his name, 00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:19.480 but like slightly different. Carlos Allende. 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.799 He was like Professor Allende on one of them 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.599 too. And sorry, what was your overall score? 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.099 I gave him a 25. Oh, mine's a 38. Okay. And I 00:33:31.099 --> 00:33:34.180 think it's more for me, just the deception and 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:36.539 the legacy that bring them there. Oh, wow. And 00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:39.940 Copilot gave him a 38 as well. Oh, my God. Another 00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:42.279 one. And they didn't explain. So I'm going to 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.519 assume it's just your explanation. Oh, no, sorry. 00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:50.799 I'm on your list, not your list. They gave him 00:33:50.799 --> 00:34:00.650 a 37. No, you're right. I am Copilot. Okay, Chelsea, 00:34:00.809 --> 00:34:03.210 next up. They still don't have an explanation. 00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:04.910 No, I don't have an explanation, unfortunately. 00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:07.049 It's one of those things where you ask Copilot 00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:08.809 so many times and it just forgets things. And 00:34:08.809 --> 00:34:10.570 I tried to get everything I thought I had and 00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:13.409 I did not. Yeah. Okay, next up on my list, Chelsea, 00:34:13.489 --> 00:34:18.050 is Corey Good. Season 4, episode 14. Although 00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:21.030 multiple times outside of that. okay good became 00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:24.250 infamous for his secret space program testimony 00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:27.409 and the introduction of the blue avians his achievement 00:34:27.409 --> 00:34:30.530 was gaining a devoted following and shaping ufo 00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:33.989 disclosure narratives in the mid 2010s his biggest 00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:37.909 action was revealed in court he admitted to inventing 00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:40.929 the blue avians undermining years of claims while 00:34:40.929 --> 00:34:44.409 simultaneously trying to copyright them as intellectual 00:34:44.409 --> 00:34:47.829 property this mix of fabrication monetization 00:34:47.829 --> 00:34:51.619 and lawsuits against critics makes him one of 00:34:51.619 --> 00:34:54.380 the most egregious figures in the field. I gave 00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:58.840 him overall a 26 highest being he got a 10 in 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.340 deception and fabrication because of that. I 00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:04.900 gave him a five for vibes just because I don't 00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:08.579 know like if you watch him talk he doesn't seem 00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:11.360 as bad as other people especially as you see 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.920 higher on the list. I gave him a two for harm 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.039 just because like who's actually watching Corey 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.530 Good? Eight for grift and one for legacy. Cause 00:35:19.530 --> 00:35:21.190 again, he's going to be forgotten. Let's see. 00:35:21.389 --> 00:35:24.949 And he sits at a 32 for me, which is the same 00:35:24.949 --> 00:35:28.510 as David Wilcox. Yeah. So where does he, he comes 00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:30.489 higher on your list than David Wilcox? Just a 00:35:30.489 --> 00:35:33.210 little bit. Like he, overall we've gone, David 00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:37.869 Wilcox got a 23. Okay. And Corey Good got a 26. 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.199 he is higher in deception and it's just because 00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:45.539 of the lawsuit stuff and he came higher in deception 00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:47.659 because i get slightly worse vibes from poor 00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:50.900 good because he has like thrown people under 00:35:50.900 --> 00:35:53.440 the bus with that whole lawsuit thing He has. 00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:56.719 Yeah, I definitely, now that I'm looking back 00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:00.840 on it, David Wilcox seems to just kind of associate 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.960 with anybody that he probably thinks that he 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.360 can use to make money off of this guy. Whereas 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.400 Cory Good, yeah, Cory Good's not going to be 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.300 a number two. He gives me, like, he tried to, 00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.639 like, trademark this in court. Yeah. So... deception 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.840 and fabrication i gave him a 10 because he admitted 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.599 to it in court i did give him asshole vibes he 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.760 like he gives me the creeps even just listening 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.199 to him talk yeah but also i still don't get like 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.590 weird like creepy vibes from him I get like. 00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:30.510 I do. No, I get. Yeah. And I guess, I don't know. 00:36:30.590 --> 00:36:32.789 Asshole vibes in my mind are different than what 00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:35.530 Corey Wood gives off. But I get that asshole 00:36:35.530 --> 00:36:37.690 vibes can be very different for everybody. Yeah. 00:36:37.750 --> 00:36:40.829 Yeah. To me, he gives me a very high asshole 00:36:40.829 --> 00:36:43.210 vibe. But at the same time, I get where you're 00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:46.230 saying that. But it's the same with David Wilcock, 00:36:46.309 --> 00:36:48.349 which is funny that they were associated for 00:36:48.349 --> 00:36:50.829 a while. They give me the same kind of insecure 00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:53.670 vibes. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. And I actually 00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:57.070 think I gave him slightly higher vibes. However, 00:36:57.369 --> 00:36:59.969 he still had the balls in court come out and 00:36:59.969 --> 00:37:03.710 say Blue Avians are my like mine child. They're 00:37:03.710 --> 00:37:06.329 my intellectual property. I don't know that David 00:37:06.329 --> 00:37:08.550 Wilcock would have the guts to do something like 00:37:08.550 --> 00:37:10.869 that because it would discredit him. And this 00:37:10.869 --> 00:37:13.960 guy's just an idiot. Oh, wow. Copilot has him 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:18.519 at number two at 44. Really? Yeah. And anyhow, 00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:21.880 his legacy is a zero for me because I don't think 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.719 that he's everlasting to anybody. I put it right 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.780 at David Wilcox level. So yeah. Are they tied 00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:31.989 for me? They're tied for me. Okay. Corey Good 00:37:31.989 --> 00:37:34.210 maxes out deception and grift with fabricated 00:37:34.210 --> 00:37:36.469 space program and aggressive monetization. His 00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:39.230 vibes are toxic. Lawsuit betrayals and community 00:37:39.230 --> 00:37:42.050 feuds. He scores high in legacy because his story 00:37:42.050 --> 00:37:44.610 still echoes in UFO circles and his harm is significant 00:37:44.610 --> 00:37:47.289 for misleading thousands. Nothing holds him back. 00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.809 He's a top tier asshole. I mean, I don't disagree 00:37:50.809 --> 00:37:53.869 with that. I don't think that co -pilot is wrong. 00:37:54.090 --> 00:37:57.909 Okay, Chelsea, next up on my list is J3. from 00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:01.210 season 5 episode 58 and 60 and technically from 00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:04.320 the stanley tiger episode as well That's so funny. 00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:06.860 J3 Productions is a media outfit that packages 00:38:06.860 --> 00:38:09.340 fringe personalities and UFO paranormal claims 00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:11.679 into slick documentaries and online content. 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.039 Their achievement is amplifying fringe narratives 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.980 and giving them professional polish, helping 00:38:15.980 --> 00:38:18.380 figures reach wider audiences. Their asshole 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:20.880 actions come from monetizing sensationalism, 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.900 platforming dubious claims as truth, and profiling, 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.000 profiting from controversy cycles, even when 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.409 the content is fabricated or harmful. I gave 00:38:29.409 --> 00:38:33.789 them overall a 26, leaving them at 31. Which 00:38:33.789 --> 00:38:35.989 is, there's actually four of them tied at 26. 00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:38.750 Kind of in random in here. Let me see what I 00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:41.269 gave them. Their absolute highest is Grift for 00:38:41.269 --> 00:38:44.389 me. Oh no, sorry. Yeah. Everything is equal in 00:38:44.389 --> 00:38:48.530 my mind at six. Except Legacy, because they're 00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:50.429 not going to be remembered in a two. Yeah, okay. 00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:53.969 These guys were really hard for me to rank. I 00:38:53.969 --> 00:38:57.530 agree. Let me tell you why. Deception and Fabrication. 00:38:58.780 --> 00:39:02.860 They literally just wanted to make money. Yeah, 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.670 and that's... But also, they don't really charge 00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:08.650 people for anything. Exactly. That's why I had 00:39:08.650 --> 00:39:09.750 a hard time with this. That's why they were really 00:39:09.750 --> 00:39:14.409 hard. So what got them the highest to me was 00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:17.849 through Deception and Griff via association with 00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:21.309 Stanley Tiger. Because they fully stood behind 00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:25.309 that story and with him, even after the allegations. 00:39:25.409 --> 00:39:28.949 They said, no, we're sticking with this. We're 00:39:28.949 --> 00:39:31.840 sticking to this story. Because this one's so 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.960 clear in my mind. I didn't even need to listen 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.300 to the episode. But the weird thing is, too, 00:39:36.460 --> 00:39:39.480 they never pivoted from, like, I forget what 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.340 the name of that series was, but they could have 00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:43.280 restarted the series, but they're like, no, we 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.760 can't throw away that. Yeah, exactly. And his 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.739 story is totally separate from him being a pedophile. 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.780 But I couldn't say that was worse than a lot 00:39:52.780 --> 00:39:54.960 of what other people have done, but I do get 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.340 now that we're talking about, like, the whole 00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:57.980 pedophile thing, I probably should have given 00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:00.659 it a higher deception. But it's... difficult 00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:05.280 because it's not their story yeah it's stanley 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.320 tiger would score higher in the deception because 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.840 it's no and it's unfortunately yeah it's the 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.699 corporate bureaucracy exactly that at the end 00:40:13.699 --> 00:40:16.780 of it it's so mundane and benign that it's hard 00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:19.639 to like score it high and outside of stanley 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.860 tiger they have nothing their legacy i have is 00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:26.250 a one no they're like i feel like their legacy 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:29.449 is like a four percent roi on investment yeah 00:40:29.449 --> 00:40:32.449 like these guys had no interest in the community 00:40:32.449 --> 00:40:34.730 or anything it was just how do we make money 00:40:34.730 --> 00:40:37.730 i even put their grift at five like it even wasn't 00:40:37.730 --> 00:40:40.489 even that high because obviously no because again 00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:44.550 their videos are free on it harm i put it as 00:40:44.550 --> 00:40:47.130 seven just because of the stance that they took 00:40:47.130 --> 00:40:49.750 behind stanley tiger with this whole pedophile 00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:53.449 thing they didn't really say anything about how 00:40:53.449 --> 00:40:56.250 it was bad. They didn't put out a statement otherwise 00:40:56.250 --> 00:40:58.989 or anything like that. So I put their harm higher 00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:01.210 for that one because they could have actually 00:41:01.210 --> 00:41:05.110 taken a stance on that and had their voices heard, 00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:07.010 but then they wouldn't have made that much money 00:41:07.010 --> 00:41:08.929 on it. Right. Who knows if they even made that 00:41:08.929 --> 00:41:11.469 much money vibes. I put it a one because they're 00:41:11.469 --> 00:41:14.349 real fucking boring guys. So I have them scoring 00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:17.989 a 21. So they are 35 on my list. Oh, okay. So 00:41:17.989 --> 00:41:20.650 they're lower for you. Okay. And just reaching 00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:23.269 asshole level. Yeah, they were surprising for 00:41:23.269 --> 00:41:25.789 me. I found them very hard in that means. And 00:41:25.789 --> 00:41:28.389 you know what? I actually had them. Oh, no, sorry. 00:41:28.530 --> 00:41:31.530 Copilot had them the highest at 30th with a score 00:41:31.530 --> 00:41:34.869 of 35 overall, giving them basically sevens, 00:41:34.869 --> 00:41:37.449 six and eights across the board. Interesting. 00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.690 They say J3 scores high in Gryffin Legacy for 00:41:40.690 --> 00:41:43.610 amplifying fringe figures with slick media. Their 00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:45.909 deception is moderate. They platformed hoaxes, 00:41:45.909 --> 00:41:48.190 but didn't invent them. Their vibes are middling, 00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:51.070 seen as opportunistic, but not toxic. They're 00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:53.030 held back by moderate harm since they amplify 00:41:53.030 --> 00:41:56.050 nonsense rather than originate it. And this is 00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:57.630 the one we're going to finish off with, Chelsea. 00:41:57.929 --> 00:42:01.710 The next one on my list. Who is it? Bruce Gernon. 00:42:01.710 --> 00:42:04.130 Who the fuck is that? From Electronic Five. Oh, 00:42:04.130 --> 00:42:07.019 right. Season 4, episode 48. Groening claimed 00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:10.019 to have flown through an electronic fog in the 00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:13.480 Bermuda Triangle, inspiring paranormal aviation 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.340 lore. His achievement was popularizing this anomaly 00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:20.460 through books and documentaries. His asshole 00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:24.059 actions are modest. He exaggerated a personal 00:42:24.059 --> 00:42:27.380 experience into pseudoscience, monetizing it 00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:29.920 without strong evidence, but causing little direct 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.780 harm. Overall, I gave him a get a 26. He scored 00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.119 very high in grift. And this is because I went 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.400 back and listened to the episode, and we went 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.920 to his website, and he literally has interview 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:47.420 pricing on his website of $5 ,000 for an episode. 00:42:48.980 --> 00:42:52.889 And... At the same point, he also put on that 00:42:52.889 --> 00:42:55.530 listing of things that you can pay him to do 00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:59.590 was to get him to fly you places. And it was 00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:02.309 significantly cheaper to get him to fly you places. 00:43:02.730 --> 00:43:05.610 And I totally forgot about that. And like his 00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:08.369 story was like, I flew into this fog and then 00:43:08.369 --> 00:43:11.670 I got to Miami slightly faster than I was expecting. 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.719 Like, that's it. But he originated electronic 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.820 fog. He says he came up with it. He's the first 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:20.679 person to use it. So his legacy was high. His 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.019 grift is nine. I gave him fairly low arm, three. 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.659 Vibes, three. Deception and Fabrication, four. 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:32.179 Because, yeah. Yeah, see, he's low on my list. 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.219 Just because he flew under my radar for everything, 00:43:35.380 --> 00:43:38.079 pretty much. Yeah, and the only reason he ended 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.579 up where he did on my list, because I went and 00:43:39.579 --> 00:43:40.860 re -listened to it, and I was like, wait, he 00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:43.739 has some pretty high grit. Yeah, you know what? 00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:45.920 And I didn't remember the grift about him, but 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.139 you're right. He should be higher on my list. 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.519 But deception and fabrication to me was low -ish. 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.900 That could happen. Like, it's not lying, really. 00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:57.820 Like, nothing was, like, completely out of source. 00:43:57.900 --> 00:43:59.980 Like, you got somewhere on a different, like, 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.659 slightly different timeline than... It wasn't 00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:05.320 even a huge timeline. It was just slightly different. 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.079 No, but it's the fact that, like, he made an 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.260 entire career out of this. Like, he pushed... 00:44:09.260 --> 00:44:12.760 I don't know that he actually did. make a career 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.440 out of it though. He was on 50 different documentaries. 00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:21.039 Was he? Yeah. And he said it was $5 ,000 for 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.699 him to sit down for a documentary. So like that 00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:26.440 was on his schedule. Maybe. But we also don't 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:27.940 know if he actually ever got paid for any of 00:44:27.940 --> 00:44:30.940 those. Yeah. Maybe he should be higher on it 00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:34.159 then. Okay. I'll rank him higher on Griff, which 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.719 will put him slightly higher. But I mean, he 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.039 was fairly low. Maybe it's just because I forgot 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.780 him. Yeah. And that he is very easily forgettable. 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.860 Yeah. And he's actually incredibly low on Copilot. 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:48.610 They have him at 43 with a score. I can't find 00:44:48.610 --> 00:44:50.510 their description, but Chelsea already gave you 00:44:50.510 --> 00:44:53.389 their description. So that's fine. But I think 00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:55.050 that's where we cut it off because we're at an 00:44:55.050 --> 00:44:58.210 hour already and we've covered 10 guys so we 00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:00.309 can keep going. 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