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Okay, Chelsea, just brace yourself for this story

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because it is fucking bleak. Oh, fuck. Hi, everybody.

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Welcome to the end of the year. This story comes

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from The Guardian, posted on November 11th, 2025,

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written by Angela Giuffrida and Kim Wilshire.

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Article title, Milan prosecutors investigate

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alleged sniper tourism during Bosnian war. What?

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No. why are you reading this article yeah Prosecutors

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in Milan have opened an investigation into Italians

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who allegedly paid members of the Bosnian Serb

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army for trips to Sarajevo so that they could

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kill citizens during the four -year siege of

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the city in the 1990s. This is fucking bleak.

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More than 10 ,000 people were killed in Sarajevo

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by constant shelling and sniper fire between

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1992 and 1996 in what was the longest siege in

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modern history after Bosnia and Herzegovina declared

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independence from Yugoslavia. No. No. are alleged

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to have participated in the massacre after paying

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large sums of money to soldiers belonging to

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the army of Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian

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Serb leader who in 2016 was found guilty of genocide

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and other crimes against humanity to be transported

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to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so that they

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could shoot at the population for pleasure. Sarajevo

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is a basin surrounded by mountains which made

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cutting it off and attacking it particularly

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easy. Milan prosecutors, led by Alessandro Gobbi,

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launched an investigation aimed at identifying

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the Italians involved on charges of voluntary

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murder aggravated by cruelty and abject motives.

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The investigation originated from a legal complaint

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submitted by Ezio Gavazzini, a Milan -based writer

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who gathered evidence on the allegations as well

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as a report sent to the prosecutors by the former

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mayor of Sarajevo, Benjamin Carrick. Gavazzini

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said he had first read reports about the alleged

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sniper tourists in the Italian press in the 90s,

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but it was not until he watched Sarajevo Safari,

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a 2022 documentary by the Slovenian director

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Maran Zupanek, that he began to investigate further.

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In the documentary, a former Serb soldier and

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a contractor claimed that groups of Westerners

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would shoot at the civilian population from the

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hills around Sarajevo. Its claims have been vehemently

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denied by Serbian war veterans. Sarajevo Safari

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was the starting point. I began a correspondence

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with the director and from there expanded my

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investigation until I collected enough material

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to present to the Milan prosecutors, end quote,

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said Gavazzini. Gavazzini claimed, quote, many,

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many, many Italians, end quote. were alleged

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to have been involved without providing a figure.

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Quote, there were Germans, French, English, dot,

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dot, dot, people from all Western countries who

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paid large sums of money to be taken there to

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shoot civilians. End quote. Again, quote, there

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were no political or religious motivations. They

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were rich people who went there for fun and personal

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satisfaction. We're talking about people who

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love guns, who perhaps go to shooting ranges

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or on safari in Africa. End quote. He claimed

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the Italian suspects would meet in the northern

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city of Trieste and travel to Belgrade, from

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where the Bosnian Serb soldiers would accompany

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them to the hills of Sarajevo. Quote, there was

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a traffic of war tourists who went there to shoot

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people. I call it an indifference towards evil.

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End quote. Gabazzini said he had identified some

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of the Italian individuals alleged to have been

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involved and who are expected to be questioned

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by the prosecutors in the coming weeks. Probably

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the most high -profile deaths by sniper fire

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were Bosko Burkic and Admira Izmic, a couple

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documented in the film Romeo and Juliet and Sarajevo,

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who were killed by a sniper in 1993 while trying

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to cross a bridge. Their bodies remained in no

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man's land between the Bosnian and Bosnian Serb

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positions for several days. Photographs were

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published widely and became symbolic of the randomness

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and inhumanity of the war. the main street running

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into sarajevo messa selimovic boulevard was nicknamed

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sniper alley because it became extremely dangerous

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but could not be avoided as it was the way to

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sarajevo airport trams and buses had their windows

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shot out and all around there were sniper warning

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signs Nicola Brigida, a lawyer who helped Gavazzini

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prepare this case, said, quote, the evidence

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accumulated after a long investigation by Gavazzini

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is well substantiated and could lead to serious

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investigations to identify the culprits. There

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is also the report from the former Sarah Havel

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mayor, end quote, end of article. I can't even

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wrap my mind around how evil that is. I just,

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we got to agree with the orcas at this point.

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There is no other way to get. To the point. I

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just, I know there's good in this world, but

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this is also very, very evil. And it reminds

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me of a horror movie of, you know, those like

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billionaires. Oh, it's hostile. That's exactly

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it. And doesn't it just make you think like,

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yeah, it probably is the people who paid thousands

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of millions of dollars. I don't know how much

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to go shoot endangered animals in Africa. Yeah.

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I just... That hold value in something like that.

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And purely speculation at this point, just to

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cover my ass in case anything ever comes out

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of this. The Ukrainian -Russian war, you've got

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to wonder if anything similar is happening in

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that. You know, it wouldn't even be something

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that if I... You said, just make something up

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that you think is happening in this world that

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is so evil. I wouldn't even come up with something

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like this. In my imagination. Like I can't even

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wrap my head around something like this. And

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while I'm cursing you right now for bringing

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this article to light, I also... Can you believe

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that you... Like I don't know how many people

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have heard about this. This was posted about

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a month... I haven't heard about it. Three weeks

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ago from us reading this now. Thank you for sharing

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it because I haven't heard about that. And while

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it will haunt my dreams, I appreciate that we're

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putting it out there as... Something. Yeah. Ah,

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it's so dark. Oh my God. But don't worry. You

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guys got 48 hours and a new, a whole new year

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to go into. And maybe this can shape your new

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year's resolutions. I don't know. Maybe a positive

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out of this. Yeah. Don't be one of these guys.

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We have faith in you that these guys are not

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listening to us. Yeah. Anyhow. Bye. Bye.