WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:33.899 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Oh, yeah, at least. 00:00:34.299 --> 00:00:37.479 Maybe more. Yeah, I mean, it's probably our life's 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:43.700 work right here. It is. Oh, no. So soon. And 00:00:43.700 --> 00:00:45.560 I may have just put too much pressure on us for 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.560 this one. But here's what we got, guys. We've 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.880 decided we've covered so many individuals that 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.340 we needed to just kind of like put a list together 00:00:54.340 --> 00:00:57.219 and see how they stack up to each other to see 00:00:57.219 --> 00:00:59.310 who is the biggest asshole that we cover. Now, 00:00:59.310 --> 00:01:02.030 we have come up with a scoring system. We have 00:01:02.030 --> 00:01:05.290 each done our own list, ranking everybody. We 00:01:05.290 --> 00:01:07.409 are going to go through my list from the bottom 00:01:07.409 --> 00:01:09.750 to the top, everybody that we've done episodes 00:01:09.750 --> 00:01:13.189 on, and we've also done a neutral AI list. To 00:01:13.189 --> 00:01:15.909 that, we can kind of see if we're doing what's 00:01:15.909 --> 00:01:17.769 a reasonable interpretation, or at least what 00:01:17.769 --> 00:01:19.329 other people might think when they're looking 00:01:19.329 --> 00:01:22.969 at this kind of list. Yeah, at least AI. At least 00:01:22.969 --> 00:01:28.290 AI. A perfectly normal human being. Yeah. I don't 00:01:28.290 --> 00:01:30.969 think we captured everybody that we could have 00:01:30.969 --> 00:01:33.689 put on this list. We captured most. There's quite 00:01:33.689 --> 00:01:35.269 a few people who could have made the list, but 00:01:35.269 --> 00:01:36.909 they're going to get their own episode at some 00:01:36.909 --> 00:01:39.870 point in the future. Also, corporations didn't 00:01:39.870 --> 00:01:43.409 make the list, broadly speaking. Yes, but we 00:01:43.409 --> 00:01:45.150 actually also talked about it kind of being its 00:01:45.150 --> 00:01:47.629 own thing. Yeah, we also know that they all scored 00:01:47.629 --> 00:01:50.349 a perfect 50, every single one of them. Yeah, 00:01:50.629 --> 00:01:54.010 especially Chevron. Especially all of them. But 00:01:54.010 --> 00:01:58.010 we've got a list of 49 to go through still with 00:01:58.010 --> 00:01:59.969 that said. We're gonna start from the bottom 00:01:59.969 --> 00:02:01.849 and work our way up. This is gonna be a several 00:02:01.849 --> 00:02:04.530 episode thing, so strap yourselves in for it. 00:02:04.609 --> 00:02:08.789 Get ready, everybody. This score is out of 50, 00:02:08.949 --> 00:02:11.729 with 5 categories that got scored out of 10. 00:02:11.949 --> 00:02:14.150 First category is Deception and Fabrication, 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:16.930 which measures how much the person knowingly 00:02:16.930 --> 00:02:19.370 invents, falsifies, or manipulates evidence with 00:02:19.370 --> 00:02:22.069 a high score, indicating outright hoaxes, admitted 00:02:22.069 --> 00:02:25.050 fabrications, staged photos, fake documents, 00:02:25.150 --> 00:02:27.370 and a low score with speculative storytelling 00:02:27.370 --> 00:02:30.310 exaggerations or sincere but misguided beliefs. 00:02:30.669 --> 00:02:33.889 Next we have Harm, assesses the degree of damage 00:02:33.889 --> 00:02:37.219 they cause, psychological, financial, or cultural. 00:02:37.379 --> 00:02:40.139 With a high score, there's deaths, ruined lives, 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.080 or severe paranoia or abuse. Low scores, they're 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.520 mostly harmless for entertainment or folklore 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.310 with little real -world damage. Next is Grift, 00:02:48.490 --> 00:02:50.669 which focuses on how shamelessly they monetize 00:02:50.669 --> 00:02:53.250 their claims. High scores, aggressive pipelines 00:02:53.250 --> 00:02:56.090 of books, courses, and merch, paywalls, or scams. 00:02:56.250 --> 00:02:58.830 A low score, minimal monetization, occasional 00:02:58.830 --> 00:03:02.169 publishing or appearances. Legacy evaluates how 00:03:02.169 --> 00:03:04.650 lasting their influence is, whether their nonsense 00:03:04.650 --> 00:03:07.870 still shapes UFO lore or fringe culture today. 00:03:07.969 --> 00:03:10.229 With a high score, myths that endure for decades 00:03:10.229 --> 00:03:13.669 inspire movements or shape pop culture. Low scores 00:03:13.669 --> 00:03:16.270 are short -lived notoriety, forgotten figures, 00:03:16.330 --> 00:03:18.949 And the last one, which we kind of added on, 00:03:19.090 --> 00:03:22.030 not last minute, but later on, is vibes. It's 00:03:22.030 --> 00:03:26.569 just, do they give off asshole vibes? Yeah. And 00:03:26.569 --> 00:03:28.990 I don't think I need to give any more for that 00:03:28.990 --> 00:03:31.770 one. I think that's simple enough. Vibes are 00:03:31.770 --> 00:03:35.110 pretty much self -explanatory. But again, somebody 00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:37.330 who gives off asshole vibes might not be that 00:03:37.330 --> 00:03:39.370 high on the list because maybe they're not actually 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:42.150 doing asshole things, but they seem like assholes. 00:03:42.449 --> 00:03:44.969 Yeah. With these all combined, we get a score 00:03:44.969 --> 00:03:48.569 out of 50. If it's below 20, I think consensus 00:03:48.569 --> 00:03:51.250 is that they might actually not be an asshole. 00:03:51.469 --> 00:03:54.370 If it's 20 to 29, their French storytellers or 00:03:54.370 --> 00:03:56.909 pranksters getting into asshole territory may 00:03:56.909 --> 00:03:59.990 be so questionable. 30 to 39, classic grifters 00:03:59.990 --> 00:04:03.229 and hoaxers who definitely are assholes, and 00:04:03.229 --> 00:04:04.750 at the highest, probably in our Hall of Fame 00:04:04.750 --> 00:04:07.729 at that point, 40 to 50. Now, Chelsea, are you 00:04:07.729 --> 00:04:10.270 ready to get going with this thing? I'm ready 00:04:10.270 --> 00:04:14.080 to go. I'm excited. And I will say we would love 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.420 to hear from everybody who listens how you would 00:04:17.420 --> 00:04:20.540 rank these individuals. Yeah. If you think that 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:22.560 we've ranked somebody too high or too low, or 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.959 if you think that we've omitted somebody that 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.160 should have been on this list, please let us 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.519 know. Yeah. Love to hear it. I think we can do 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:32.300 this annually with people added to the list. 00:04:32.420 --> 00:04:35.220 And I said 49. It's only 48. I had to do a change 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:37.889 there. Bottom of my list, Paul Benowitz, who 00:04:37.889 --> 00:04:40.990 makes many appearances, first season 2 episode 00:04:40.990 --> 00:04:45.189 17, also season 3 episode 46, and also the John 00:04:45.189 --> 00:04:47.310 Lear episodes, but I forgot to list where that 00:04:47.310 --> 00:04:50.110 took place. Benowitz was, I think he was an engineer 00:04:50.110 --> 00:04:52.470 actually, who believed he was intersep - and 00:04:52.470 --> 00:04:55.029 I say that without having listened to that episode, 00:04:55.389 --> 00:04:58.329 so don't hold too much weight in what I just 00:04:58.329 --> 00:05:01.149 said there. He believed he was intercepting alien 00:05:01.149 --> 00:05:04.230 signals near Kirtland Air Force Base, his most 00:05:04.230 --> 00:05:07.170 notable achiev - was inadvertently sparking one 00:05:07.170 --> 00:05:10.269 of the most influential UFO conspiracy threads 00:05:10.269 --> 00:05:13.709 of the 1980s. His biggest asshole actions are 00:05:13.709 --> 00:05:16.649 complicated. He spread paranoia through his claims 00:05:16.649 --> 00:05:19.930 but he was also a victim of government disinformation 00:05:19.930 --> 00:05:22.850 which drove him into psychological collapse. 00:05:23.110 --> 00:05:26.370 He got an overall score of five from me. and 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:28.470 it's basically he got a one right across the 00:05:28.470 --> 00:05:31.910 board. I don't think he was deceiving anybody, 00:05:31.910 --> 00:05:34.829 and at most you can see he was naive, but even 00:05:34.829 --> 00:05:39.029 the amount of government force put against him, 00:05:39.110 --> 00:05:41.029 I don't think you can even say he was naive. 00:05:41.189 --> 00:05:43.870 I don't get bad vibes. If anything, he might 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:46.149 just be a guy who you get I need to bully him 00:05:46.149 --> 00:05:48.430 vibes from, because apparently multiple people 00:05:48.430 --> 00:05:50.930 that we've covered have felt that from him, which 00:05:50.930 --> 00:05:55.879 is anti -asshole. Pretty much all the harm he 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.980 did was to himself. I don't think he made any 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:02.180 money, and you might score slightly higher in 00:06:02.180 --> 00:06:04.939 legacy just because Dulce's still out there, 00:06:05.019 --> 00:06:08.540 but I don't think you can... Put that legacy 00:06:08.540 --> 00:06:10.899 on him either. I think that's going to come much 00:06:10.899 --> 00:06:13.360 higher on the list He's not the bottom of my 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.980 list actually because I have a few people I was 00:06:15.980 --> 00:06:19.360 unable to fill out which we'll discuss in a little 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.579 bit when the rankings come out We'll compare 00:06:21.579 --> 00:06:24.259 them with taylor, but he's not the lowest on 00:06:24.259 --> 00:06:27.180 my list And I agree with everything you're saying 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:30.420 where I gave him points was deception and fabrication 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:34.079 not through any fault of his own obviously and 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.610 harm I did do a little bit because Paul Benowitz 00:06:37.610 --> 00:06:40.350 did write a book with all the disinformation 00:06:40.350 --> 00:06:43.730 that he was being fed. That disinformation is 00:06:43.730 --> 00:06:46.629 out in the world like Dulce and stuff like that, 00:06:46.670 --> 00:06:49.850 mostly sparking from that book that he put out 00:06:49.850 --> 00:06:52.850 which was fed to him by other people. So that's 00:06:52.850 --> 00:06:55.310 where he got points with me because I feel like 00:06:55.310 --> 00:06:57.569 there was a little bit of harm with that done. 00:06:57.610 --> 00:07:00.910 I do know people who do refer back to stuff like 00:07:00.910 --> 00:07:04.170 that as proof that stuff like that exists. That's 00:07:04.170 --> 00:07:06.329 where he gets all his points from me. That's 00:07:06.329 --> 00:07:09.389 why he ranked not the lowest on my list because 00:07:09.389 --> 00:07:12.310 I did give him a few points for harm and deception 00:07:12.310 --> 00:07:16.209 and fabrication. Okay, AI, he is third from the 00:07:16.209 --> 00:07:19.490 bottom of their list with a score of 25. 25? 00:07:20.329 --> 00:07:24.600 Yeah. Where'd he get his points from with AI? 00:07:24.819 --> 00:07:27.860 Did they use the same scale? Yeah. Copilot says 00:07:27.860 --> 00:07:31.079 that Benoit scores high in Harm and Legacy because 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.720 his paranoia seeded UFO lore and ended tragically, 00:07:34.819 --> 00:07:37.519 but his deception and vibes are low. He wasn't 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.019 malicious, just misled. His grift is minimal 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:42.319 since he didn't profit. He's held back because 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.379 he was more of a victim than a perpetrator. And 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:46.560 I do get where they're coming from on that, but 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.199 I'm going to attribute those scores somewhere 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.199 else that we're going to see way later on in 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.240 this class. Yeah. Okay. I'll agree with how they 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.560 gave the scoring. I just don't think he scores 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.500 that high. However, maybe I didn't give them 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:01.779 enough. for the information that he put out into 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.139 the world based on what he was being fed by government 00:08:05.139 --> 00:08:07.199 agents. So I think we're all going to have a 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.100 different approach to this list. So I think it's 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:12.100 pretty straightforward on that. I just don't 00:08:12.100 --> 00:08:15.319 think he's an asshole because of it. No, I agree. 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.120 And that's why I attribute it elsewhere. Next 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:23.600 up on my list at forty seven is Edgar Casey showing 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:28.649 up in season two. episodes 22, 23, and 24, and 00:08:28.649 --> 00:08:31.089 by extension, several episodes after that if 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:33.629 you want to believe some people. Also known as 00:08:33.629 --> 00:08:35.970 the Sleeping Prophet, became famous for his trance 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:38.389 readings on health, spirituality, and prophecy. 00:08:38.490 --> 00:08:40.450 His achievement was building a massive following 00:08:40.450 --> 00:08:42.769 in founding institutions that still exist today. 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:45.250 His asshole factor lies in exploiting followers 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:47.549 with unverifiable medical and spiritual claims, 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:49.509 encouraging people to substitute his readings 00:08:49.509 --> 00:08:52.149 for evidence -based practices. The highest he 00:08:52.149 --> 00:08:55.250 scored in, for me, was Legacy. And I should say, 00:08:55.389 --> 00:08:58.009 before we get too far, I gave him a 9. I don't 00:08:58.009 --> 00:09:00.629 think he really was trying to deceive people. 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.019 I don't think so either. I gave him very low 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:06.299 vibes, but also I think we're gonna run into 00:09:06.299 --> 00:09:09.419 this with people pre -video, that they're gonna 00:09:09.419 --> 00:09:12.000 have different vibe scoring than everybody else. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.120 Oh, I didn't even think about that. I think he 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.840 did have some harm just with putting out psychic 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.440 readings that we're never gonna really know for 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.399 sure if he harmed anyone, which gave him a 2. 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:29.559 I gave him a two because he was accepting some 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.240 payment I forget for sure but I think he was 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.279 accepting some payments for his readings and 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.159 he did end up with an Institute so I think he 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.019 got some money from somewhere and at the end 00:09:39.019 --> 00:09:41.820 of the day he did get a three in legacy because 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:44.440 I do think he's probably if you're gonna name 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.159 profits the sleeping profits gonna be high on 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.399 that list although it's something that has really 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.059 fallen off I have the same score I had him high 00:09:53.059 --> 00:09:56.070 in legacy over anything i don't think that he 00:09:56.070 --> 00:10:00.850 was purposely deceiving or fabricating or anything 00:10:00.850 --> 00:10:04.509 vibes are zero harm i agree with you actually 00:10:04.509 --> 00:10:08.470 i might put him up on harm maybe maybe a 0 .5 00:10:08.470 --> 00:10:11.370 because you don't really know Because of the 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:14.029 times, I guess, there is no Reddit to be like 00:10:14.029 --> 00:10:17.409 Edgar Cayce reading Gone Wrong. I know. And really, 00:10:17.529 --> 00:10:19.269 the people that talk about him are people who 00:10:19.269 --> 00:10:22.330 love him. There's not a lot of Cayce detractors 00:10:22.330 --> 00:10:23.669 out there. So I don't think you're ever going 00:10:23.669 --> 00:10:25.730 to know that. Yeah, I think it's just a time 00:10:25.730 --> 00:10:28.590 where, you know, it's just... I don't know. You 00:10:28.590 --> 00:10:31.389 see so much hate. He's very low on my list. He's 00:10:31.389 --> 00:10:34.990 tied with Ben Woods. And surprisingly, he is 00:10:34.990 --> 00:10:38.529 27th on the co -pilot's list. I love that they 00:10:38.529 --> 00:10:41.769 took the rankings so seriously because I like 00:10:41.769 --> 00:10:46.110 start with three and go 11, 13, 14 for totals 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:49.350 and they start out at 25. Nobody is not an asshole 00:10:49.350 --> 00:10:51.730 that we've covered in its co -pilot's mind. Edgar 00:10:51.730 --> 00:10:55.860 Casey is 27th on the list with a 35. Wow. He 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:58.120 is a certified asshole according to Co -Pilot. 00:10:58.259 --> 00:11:00.919 He scores high in Legacy for shaping New Age 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.820 Prophecy. I get that. I just don't think New 00:11:03.820 --> 00:11:05.899 Age Prophecy is that big and I think we have 00:11:05.899 --> 00:11:07.860 bigger names in New Age Prophecy that we're going 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:09.919 to talk about later. I agree with that, yeah. 00:11:10.059 --> 00:11:12.639 His deception is moderate. Visions and readings 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.820 were unverifiable. His grift was steady, monetizing 00:11:15.820 --> 00:11:18.399 through followers. His vibes were middling, seen 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.379 as kindly but misleading. He's held back by a 00:11:21.379 --> 00:11:23.840 moderate harm, since his influence was cultural 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.080 rather than destructive. I don't know that I 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.179 agree with that, yeah. Next up on my list is 00:11:29.179 --> 00:11:32.419 John Zegris, who is also the man from Torrid. 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.840 He comes from Season 2, Episode 39. Okay, what 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.519 ranking do you have him? I have him 46. Mine's 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.580 a 27. Really? Yeah, because I have him at a 10 00:11:46.580 --> 00:11:51.440 for deception and fabrication. I guess true enough. 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.179 I just didn't think it was that big a deception. 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.559 He was saying he came from a country that didn't 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.539 exist. Oh we need to read what he is, hold on. 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.700 John Zegras is the alleged man from Torrid, a 00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:07.419 supposed traveller from a non -existent country. 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.720 His achievement was inspiring one of the most 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.799 enduring urban legends of anomalous identity. 00:12:14.139 --> 00:12:16.940 His asshole actions are minimal, fabricating 00:12:16.940 --> 00:12:19.840 a story that misled audiences but with little 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.370 exploitation or harm beyond myth making. Yeah. 00:12:23.669 --> 00:12:26.909 I gave him a 10 overall. He's 46th on my list. 00:12:27.149 --> 00:12:29.850 He got two across the board. Yeah, he deceives. 00:12:30.070 --> 00:12:32.009 Yeah, he's got weird vibes, especially when you're 00:12:32.009 --> 00:12:34.330 reading the story. I gave him a two just because, 00:12:34.450 --> 00:12:36.450 I don't know, maybe there's harm in the story. 00:12:36.570 --> 00:12:38.909 I don't know. Probably more than the Benoist 00:12:38.909 --> 00:12:41.370 story. And that's whenever I have a one, I have 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:43.909 to compare anything that's low, it compares to 00:12:43.909 --> 00:12:46.629 that. and I think it wasn't quite there. There 00:12:46.629 --> 00:12:48.870 has to be some sort of grift attached to this. 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:50.870 I don't know what it is, but I gave them a two 00:12:50.870 --> 00:12:53.149 there. And I gave it a two for legacy just because 00:12:53.149 --> 00:12:55.529 it's a story that comes up, but it doesn't buttress 00:12:55.529 --> 00:12:58.769 anybody's arguments for anything. Yes. Yes. Like 00:12:58.769 --> 00:13:01.450 that we're gonna get later on. Yeah, so I gave 00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:04.070 him ten for deception because it's obviously 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:07.129 made up. I gave him an eight for vibes because 00:13:07.129 --> 00:13:10.830 who makes up a story like that? Harm? Low. Three. 00:13:10.970 --> 00:13:14.870 Grift? Four because like he's gone on radio shows 00:13:14.870 --> 00:13:17.789 and stuff like that and then legacies too because 00:13:17.789 --> 00:13:21.090 exactly like who goes back to this. I'm not sure 00:13:21.090 --> 00:13:23.590 if John Zegras actually exists so that is why 00:13:23.590 --> 00:13:26.389 it's so low. Right, where did he come from? I 00:13:26.389 --> 00:13:28.490 can't remember. That's another one I didn't listen 00:13:28.490 --> 00:13:30.389 to. I know, I had to go back and listen to it. 00:13:30.389 --> 00:13:32.789 So many assholes, so little time. And this one 00:13:32.789 --> 00:13:36.509 actually, Copilot matched. John Zegris got a 00:13:36.509 --> 00:13:40.299 Is 46 on their list, although with a 26. Ooh! 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.039 This is the first one we've even come close to. 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.019 And I feel like it'll be very few and far in 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:48.500 between. Oh no! It didn't give me the reasoning 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:50.919 on this one. So we'll never know for sure. But 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.720 the guy's an asshole. Just kind of, though. Per 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.200 copilot. So we'll move on from there. Yeah, I 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.659 agree with that. Cause they got basically my 00:14:00.659 --> 00:14:05.279 total. Alright, Chelsea, next on my list, somebody 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.340 that we covered very recently, Emanuel Swedenberg, 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.779 Season 5, Episode 94. Swedenberg was an 18th 00:14:11.779 --> 00:14:14.240 century mystic and theologian who claimed visions 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.639 of heaven and communications with spirits. His 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.659 achievement was founding a theological movement 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:21.159 that influenced mysticism and philosophy. So 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:24.100 I gave him he's 45th overall on my list with 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:27.700 an 11 and I should say he's tied with 45 He's 00:14:27.700 --> 00:14:30.559 at the bottom of mine too with but I do think 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.720 I do think just looking at the two names Swedenborg 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.639 should be below the next So mine would be about 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.419 45 because I have those two that are not ranked 00:14:39.419 --> 00:14:42.259 yet. I got a little overzealous there. I mean, 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.299 I gave him an eight. I gave him a one on deception. 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.059 Just because he was doing it from his dreams, 00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:50.320 it's really hard to say that he was trying to 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.360 pull a fast one on anybody. I get weird vibes 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.960 from him, but it's mostly because of how much 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:00.460 he was into minerals and his own dreams. But 00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:03.279 not that high of vibes, like a two, like I said. 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.720 I do think they're so some harm that came from 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.320 him, like the fact that his followers did get 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.720 some repercussions in Sweden, and he did make 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.080 money off his book, so I gave him a three, and 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.899 I gave him a three for legacy. He's the foundation 00:15:15.899 --> 00:15:18.580 of a lot of ideas, but very few people actually 00:15:18.580 --> 00:15:20.500 know that he's the foundation for these ideas, 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.720 and they have changed so much for saying that 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.320 you met enemies from other planets. I think that 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.519 your reasoning is much more logical for what 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.840 you scored him than what I had. I don't even 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.139 want to go over mine because I think yours is 00:15:33.139 --> 00:15:35.259 much more accurate. I gave him a one in harm, 00:15:35.259 --> 00:15:37.580 but now that you say that, I forgot that his 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:39.879 followers were punished. You can't really blame 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.120 him for that. Like you got to blame Swedish law 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.919 at the time too. He's still implicated in it 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.669 because it's his, right? So. Yeah, but it wasn't 00:15:47.669 --> 00:15:50.070 even him. He was writing in English and then 00:15:50.070 --> 00:15:52.389 the books were being brought back by followers 00:15:52.389 --> 00:15:54.169 and sweet. Like he was trying to do everything 00:15:54.169 --> 00:15:56.269 he could to avoid it. Which is why it's low. 00:15:56.350 --> 00:15:58.710 I had them low too, but I forgot about that. 00:15:58.710 --> 00:16:02.850 So I might push him up one. He falls 41st on 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:06.389 Copilot's list with a 30. They gave him a low 00:16:06.389 --> 00:16:08.730 asshole factor because he didn't monetize heavily, 00:16:08.730 --> 00:16:11.230 but his fabricated visions misled followers and 00:16:11.230 --> 00:16:14.009 created doctrinal confusion that persists today, 00:16:14.210 --> 00:16:17.190 giving him an overall score of 30. I'm disturbed 00:16:17.190 --> 00:16:19.450 that you still haven't gotten to the person that's 00:16:19.450 --> 00:16:22.409 on the bottom of my list yet I'm very curious 00:16:22.409 --> 00:16:24.049 who you're gonna have at the bottom of your list 00:16:24.049 --> 00:16:27.730 and I frankly am Astonished at who copilot put 00:16:27.730 --> 00:16:30.250 at the bottom of their list. Have we gotten to 00:16:30.250 --> 00:16:33.230 it yet? No, it's not going to be for a long time 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:34.850 either I shouldn't say a long time he's coming 00:16:34.850 --> 00:16:37.210 up, but I wonder if it's the same when I put 00:16:37.210 --> 00:16:43.700 at the bottom of my list at number 44 I have 00:16:43.700 --> 00:16:46.480 Travis Walton. Okay, that's the bottom of my 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.080 list. Walton claimed to have been abducted by 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:53.059 aliens in 1975, a story that became a bestselling 00:16:53.059 --> 00:16:56.039 book and the film Fire in the Sky. His achievement 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.779 was creating one of the most famous abduction 00:16:58.779 --> 00:17:01.879 narratives in UFO history. He profited from the 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.740 story and misled audiences, but his case is less 00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:07.420 exploitive than others and remains more folklore 00:17:07.420 --> 00:17:10.359 than fraud. And that's what Copilot said, giving 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.880 him a ranking of 37th on its list. with a score 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:17.680 of 33. He did profit off it. He did profit. That's 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.099 his highest score for me. You know what? I didn't 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:23.259 even fill out grift. I gave him a four. He might 00:17:23.259 --> 00:17:25.819 be tied with Paul Benowitz and Edgar Cayce with 00:17:25.819 --> 00:17:29.099 me on this. Honestly, I don't want to believe 00:17:29.099 --> 00:17:32.400 he's grifting, though, but he has profited off 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.200 of it. He has definitely profited. In fact, that's 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.200 how he makes pretty much all his income. Fire 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.019 in the sky. Huge story. I would put it out of 00:17:39.019 --> 00:17:41.640 three, okay? So he's tied for me for bottom with 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.140 Benowitz and Casey. And that's the biggest part 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:47.420 for me. I can't fault him for profiting from 00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:50.380 this. Yeah. But at the same time, it is a category, 00:17:50.380 --> 00:17:52.900 and he did score higher because that's where 00:17:52.900 --> 00:17:56.099 his income's coming from, is this story. Yeah, 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:58.980 I would agree with that. So yeah, I'm gonna give 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:01.880 him a 3 for Griff. I gave him a 12, again, 44th 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:03.920 on the list. Whiffle, give me a 3. Though, to 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.900 me, he doesn't have a legacy as an asshole. Like, 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:09.140 overall... See, I said he had a legacy of a 2 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:11.960 just because this is a very famous UFO story. 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.569 It is. Shit. And that's actually where his grift 00:18:14.569 --> 00:18:18.210 comes from is the legacy of the story. It's really 00:18:18.210 --> 00:18:21.369 weird. I know. Now that you say that, he's moving 00:18:21.369 --> 00:18:26.990 up on my list from last. Son of a bitch. Okay. 00:18:28.490 --> 00:18:32.609 Next up on the list at 43, I have the Weekly 00:18:32.609 --> 00:18:37.109 World News. I have them at 39. This tabloid became 00:18:37.109 --> 00:18:39.789 famous for sensational headlines like That Boy 00:18:39.789 --> 00:18:42.269 Found in Cave and countless UFO cryptids and 00:18:42.269 --> 00:18:44.430 paranormal stories. Its achievement was shaping 00:18:44.430 --> 00:18:46.970 pop culture, perception of fringe claims, blending 00:18:46.970 --> 00:18:49.470 satire with pseudoscience in a way that entertained 00:18:49.470 --> 00:18:53.450 millions. I gave it overall a 12. It tied with 00:18:53.450 --> 00:18:56.289 Travis Walton. It got very high in deception 00:18:56.289 --> 00:18:58.650 and fabrication because that's literally what 00:18:58.650 --> 00:19:01.990 it is. Mine's at 10. Ten out of ten. Yeah, it 00:19:01.990 --> 00:19:05.109 should have been there. I gave it a seven just 00:19:05.109 --> 00:19:08.170 because I don't think it's that bad a deception 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:11.029 compared to other people on the list. It's not. 00:19:11.329 --> 00:19:14.009 So to me, like it was all deception. So that 00:19:14.009 --> 00:19:16.670 was a ten. So it scored way lower points for 00:19:16.670 --> 00:19:19.190 other things because in the vibes, it got a zero 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:22.289 because I gave it a zero for vibes. Yeah. So 00:19:22.289 --> 00:19:24.920 that's where it evened out on mine. I gave it 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.559 a one for harm, because I feel like some people 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.039 might have thought it was real, but I don't think 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.500 many. I had to give it one for Gryff, just because 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:35.099 it was a paid subscription, like you bought it 00:19:35.099 --> 00:19:37.180 at the store. But even then, when it went online, 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.519 it was free for a while. It is trying to monetize 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.240 a little bit. It's still free, yeah. But it's 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.960 still minimal. But it had to make money to continue 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.759 to provide the wonderful entertainment that it 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.079 did, which I can't fault it, really. It's just 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.460 filling a void that people need to fill. And 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:56.539 I gave it a three for legacy, just because it 00:19:56.539 --> 00:19:58.619 does have that nostalgia in my mind. But at the 00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:00.339 same time, when we were going through the episodes, 00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:03.480 you could see the underpinnings of the fake news 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.539 we see today from it. Oh, yeah. Just in their 00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:08.720 pure form. It was the original. In their fun 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.720 form. Other than Town Crier. Co -pilot. We put 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.440 it at 36 with a score of 34. And it says its 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:17.539 asshole factors come from fabricating stories 00:20:17.539 --> 00:20:19.880 that blurred satire and fact, misleading casual 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.059 readers, and trivializing genuine inquiry while 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:24.400 profiting from sensationalism. They give it a 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.960 9 for legacy, which I think is crazy. Wow. Yeah. 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.460 That is crazy. Because, let's be honest, we do 00:20:31.460 --> 00:20:34.700 all know who Batboy is. Don't get me wrong, but 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:37.599 it's not like batboy shows up anywhere else, 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.359 you know And that's the holding code like the 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.920 whole thing is like it can't be like a generally 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.759 known thing Yeah, like everyone knows batboy, 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.400 but it's not like it was the taking off point 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.140 for Where batboy the cryptic came from like everybody 00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:55.079 knows batboy is not real even though he's lived 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.640 a whole lifetime He's gone to afghanistan taylor 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.099 swift is carrying his baby Yeah, I can't quite 00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:04.079 remember how that works out. There was a whole 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:06.460 lot of stuff going on. Man, that was a fun, nostalgic 00:21:06.460 --> 00:21:09.440 episode. Yeah, I know. Episodes. I know, that 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.480 was so good. I don't think we said it. That was 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.720 just covered this year in season five, episode 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.079 seven before. Oh, yeah. 74 and 76. We should 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.339 have had the names of them ready to go, but we 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:23.799 can't be... We're doing it on the spreadsheet. 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:30.210 That's really hard. Next up, 42nd on the list 00:21:30.210 --> 00:21:33.130 is Mother Shipton. Oh, I have her really low 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:36.970 too. She's ranked on mine 44. Season 3, episode 00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:39.869 12. Yeah, we're right around the same spot, 43, 00:21:40.069 --> 00:21:41.769 44. I don't think the scores are gonna be that 00:21:41.769 --> 00:21:44.509 different. That is one that I listened halfway 00:21:44.509 --> 00:21:49.059 through. Hey, me too. I hope it didn't turn halfway 00:21:49.059 --> 00:21:52.000 through. I have to tell you, listening to Mother 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.700 Shipton, I was like, wow, I remember when we 00:21:54.700 --> 00:21:58.900 did the opening news article on our actual episodes. 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.259 It was like a little bit of nostalgia for me 00:22:01.259 --> 00:22:03.859 before we broke it out to a mini. And just a 00:22:03.859 --> 00:22:06.339 breaking the fourth wall here, it was something 00:22:06.339 --> 00:22:08.559 that kind of shook us to our core when we took 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:10.900 that away. And we're like, how do you start an 00:22:10.900 --> 00:22:15.819 episode just with theme songs? it's true but 00:22:15.819 --> 00:22:18.720 now i think it's a beautiful thing and i wouldn't 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.220 want to go back but just listening to it that 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:24.160 way i was like wow and then the episode starts 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.420 like after that and so i was like a little bit 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:30.839 taken aback i was like what's going on but anyhow 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.440 shipton is a legendary english prophetess whose 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.839 prophecies were largely fabricated posthumously 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.880 Her achievement is enduring folklore status, 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:43.740 with her name attached to centuries of predictions. 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.299 Her asshole factor is modest. Her myth was exploited 00:22:47.299 --> 00:22:50.559 by later promoters, misleading audiences, but 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.079 functioning more as entertainment than fraud. 00:22:53.299 --> 00:22:56.180 Co -pilot with that description put her at 46. 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.859 She's actually very low on there. Wow. But they 00:22:59.859 --> 00:23:03.720 gave her a 26, so she's still an asshole. We're 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.200 coming up all in the same, whether or not they 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.920 - She's a tragic character. She is. Like, when 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.259 you listen to it, you kind of get the vibes from 00:23:12.259 --> 00:23:14.200 if you listen to it back in the day. Oh yeah, 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.720 woman brought up in a brothel, evil woman. You're 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.940 like, no, it's just the circumstances of her 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:21.980 life that really make everybody mean to her. 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:23.819 And that's where everything came from. And even 00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:26.000 the stories about her didn't come out until a 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.960 century after her. Yeah. No, I just really felt 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:31.519 bad for her. I gave her a six in legacy, and 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.460 that's not her own doing. Yes. It's stories that 00:23:34.460 --> 00:23:37.160 come later. It's legend. Yeah. It's the legend 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.960 that was built around her. And like, she made 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.940 up stories. I got to assume that. And that's 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:44.420 I gave her a three in deception. Yes. That's 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:47.240 everything else is twos. Mine's pretty much exactly 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.160 the same. Me and you are pretty much neck and 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.480 neck. Matching the bottom. Yeah. I think we have 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.269 agreement in who's not assholes. Yeah. Yeah, 00:23:55.269 --> 00:23:57.950 because these are all below 20s mother ship did 00:23:57.950 --> 00:24:02.029 definitely By her own means I don't think is 00:24:02.029 --> 00:24:04.829 an asshole She's a little bit more up there in 00:24:04.829 --> 00:24:08.210 legacy because of the cult status She's kind 00:24:08.210 --> 00:24:10.670 of gotten around her but it's not through any 00:24:10.670 --> 00:24:15.789 what was any of her own doing Okay, Chelsea next 00:24:15.789 --> 00:24:18.170 up on my list and sorry, I don't know if I said 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:21.250 it I gave her 15 overall again, clearly not an 00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:26.049 asshole Yeah, she is punished by her circumstances 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:29.150 and talked about later in life. Yeah, which is 00:24:29.150 --> 00:24:31.609 actually pretty sad. Yeah. It's like a Benowitz 00:24:31.609 --> 00:24:37.430 actually. Next up coming in at number 41 on my 00:24:37.430 --> 00:24:41.430 list is Dee Dee Holmes coming from season 4 episode 00:24:41.430 --> 00:24:44.809 65. Holmes was a Victorian era medium famous 00:24:44.809 --> 00:24:47.230 for levitations and seance tricks. His achievements 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.690 were captivating elite audiences and becoming 00:24:49.690 --> 00:24:51.990 one of the most famous spiritualists of his time. 00:24:52.210 --> 00:24:55.690 I have him with an 18 overall with the highest 00:24:55.690 --> 00:24:58.609 being grift. He got a 6 in grift. I have him 00:24:58.609 --> 00:25:02.049 pretty hard and I just have to admit here between 00:25:02.049 --> 00:25:05.859 me and you. I really get him mixed up with AJ 00:25:05.859 --> 00:25:08.799 Tomes. Yeah, and those are very different vibes 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.420 that you're going to get from those. Very different 00:25:10.420 --> 00:25:12.940 vibes. So it took me a while to remember who 00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:17.099 he was. He's at a 35 for me because he's one 00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:20.500 away from the Fox sisters, who to me are very, 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:23.680 very similar. They ran the same grift. So I had 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.019 him at a 10 for deception. I had him actually 00:25:27.019 --> 00:25:30.019 fairly low in deception. I gave him a three, 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.759 which is higher than pretty much everything except 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:34.599 the weekly world news we've had. And the reason 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:36.380 that's so much lower than we're going to see 00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:38.700 with the Fox sisters later on is because the 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:41.819 Fox sisters later admit all of their hoax. So 00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:45.740 I can't say for sure he didn't believe what he 00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:49.440 was doing. Huh. Interesting take on that, because 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.220 I would say wouldn't that make him a bigger asshole 00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:55.349 for not admitting to it. Yeah, and especially 00:25:55.349 --> 00:25:58.329 with, like, levitation stuff that he would do. 00:25:58.470 --> 00:26:01.130 I might rethink that. It's interesting that it 00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:04.190 kind of puts us at different levels because we're 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:06.390 interpreting it a little bit differently, which 00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:09.250 is the fun of it. And I also don't get weird 00:26:09.250 --> 00:26:12.049 vibes from him. I do! And I always love that 00:26:12.049 --> 00:26:15.150 he had, like, people around to notarize everything. 00:26:16.329 --> 00:26:18.670 There were affidavits always signed at his shows 00:26:18.670 --> 00:26:23.589 that they were fantastic. I forgot about that 00:26:23.589 --> 00:26:26.670 but because of that he gets weird vibes from 00:26:26.670 --> 00:26:30.210 me because I guess I forgot about the notary 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:32.130 thing when I was scoring maybe it would have 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:35.859 been a little higher Fox sisters, they're taking 00:26:35.859 --> 00:26:39.819 advantage of that spiritual movement. And around 00:26:39.819 --> 00:26:43.319 that timeframe, they're all doing kind of a very 00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.920 similar grift. So they're all kind of playing 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.160 off each other. They know what they're doing. 00:26:48.259 --> 00:26:51.759 It's rapping, it's levitating. It's clearly made 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.220 up stuff. That was all the rage at the time. 00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:56.619 So it definitely was a timely thing as well. 00:26:56.619 --> 00:26:59.059 So I gave them higher asshole vibes as well. 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:00.680 Like I said, the only thing that really held 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.220 him back for me is like he kept up the grift. 00:27:03.019 --> 00:27:05.140 whole life so it's hard to say he thought it 00:27:05.140 --> 00:27:08.079 was a grift and maybe hey maybe he could actually 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.279 levitate i doubt it the funny thing for me here 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.440 is i gave him lower harm i still gave him a five 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.859 because obviously he's taking money from people 00:27:18.859 --> 00:27:21.660 but scored lower on the vibes because i don't 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:25.609 feel like it was that harmful it was just taking 00:27:25.609 --> 00:27:28.470 taking money from the rich it was the entertainment 00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:30.569 at the time right it was like i want to go see 00:27:30.569 --> 00:27:34.450 a movie take my money so i he's not like a villain 00:27:34.450 --> 00:27:37.269 in anything like that to me because he was entertaining 00:27:37.269 --> 00:27:40.450 and taking advantage of that and copilot has 00:27:40.450 --> 00:27:44.470 him at a 34 actually very close to chelsea and 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:48.970 in 34th His asshole factors come from exploiting 00:27:48.970 --> 00:27:51.609 grief and curiosity with fraudulent performances, 00:27:51.829 --> 00:27:53.609 monetizing deception, while presenting himself 00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:55.690 as a genuine medium. I should also say, I think 00:27:55.690 --> 00:27:57.730 this might be the first time it becomes apparent. 00:27:57.990 --> 00:28:01.250 I didn't listen to DD Holm's episodes again for 00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:03.690 doing this list. Neither did I. But I remember 00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:07.009 him. But, and weirdly enough, I do find when 00:28:07.009 --> 00:28:11.029 I re -listen to episodes, the score went up significantly. 00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:13.069 Because apparently you just forget some of the 00:28:13.069 --> 00:28:15.900 asshole stuff people do. It's true. I mean, especially 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:17.960 when we're looking back at where are we right 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:23.539 now. This is the late 1800s. No. Oh, sorry. Season 00:28:23.539 --> 00:28:26.799 four, episode 65. So we're talking about like 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.759 August of last year. Yeah. So it's been a while, 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.720 but I remember his vibes. So that's why his vibes 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.579 scored an eight for me. Okay, and this is the 00:28:37.579 --> 00:28:40.200 last person on my list, Chelsea, who isn't an 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.000 asshole, as it's the last score below 20. And 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.640 Chelsea, how many more on your list are below 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:49.180 20? I have below 20. How many are you? 1, 2, 00:28:49.180 --> 00:28:54.079 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Oh, you've 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.279 got quite a few. Well, this is my last one who's 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.960 not an asshole. Oh, no, no, 12, because I was 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.259 counting one at 20. And yeah, I have one who 00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:03.750 just barely cracked up. I love the guy, but anyhow, 00:29:03.890 --> 00:29:05.829 we'll get to him when we get to him. Last one 00:29:05.829 --> 00:29:10.269 I have at 40th with a score is Gary McKinnon, 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:13.289 the man who hacked NASA season two episode 38. 00:29:13.289 --> 00:29:15.730 Oh yeah, I have him very low too. I actually 00:29:15.730 --> 00:29:22.140 really like Gary. I know. McKinnon became infamous 00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:26.019 as the UFO hacker after breaking into NASA and 00:29:26.019 --> 00:29:34.039 US military computers in the early 2000s claiming 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:41.160 he was searching for evidence of extraterrestrial 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.420 technology. His achievement was exposing vulnerabilities 00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.480 in government systems and sparking global headlines 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.299 about UFO secrecy. Overall, I have him at a 19. 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:55.180 The highest thing he scored is a six in legacy. 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.720 Yeah, because he is somebody who's remembered 00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.819 and it gets talked about a lot in UFO circles. 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.349 But. He doesn't actually make the UFO round. 00:30:03.569 --> 00:30:06.529 He hasn't really profited off this. I get weird 00:30:06.529 --> 00:30:09.089 vibes from him, but like not in like necessarily 00:30:09.089 --> 00:30:13.089 a bad way. Just like nerd vibes, like just weird. 00:30:13.269 --> 00:30:16.410 Yeah. Like I live in a basement vibe, I think. 00:30:16.869 --> 00:30:20.650 He did hack a government mainframe, so he got 00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:24.490 a four in arm, but he didn't do anything bad. 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.740 completely on with that and i think it's gone 00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:30.180 actually from like they're scoring low because 00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:33.079 you just feel bad for them to like yeah he's 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.900 scoring low because like he's a good guy and 00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:38.880 i like him and funny enough copilot agrees too 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.119 he's 39th on their list at a 32 another one that 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:46.920 i tied with ai i have three ties with ai that 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.059 is hilarious which is weird i'm yeah i'm on my 00:30:50.059 --> 00:30:53.230 ranking That is where we finish off with the 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:55.490 total agreement. They are not assholes. So I 00:30:55.490 --> 00:30:56.910 think this is where we're going to cut the list. 00:30:57.349 --> 00:30:59.589 And next week, we're going to continue on starting 00:30:59.589 --> 00:31:03.250 with the actual start of the asshole list. I'm 00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:05.390 excited. Yeah. This is going to be a lot of fun. 00:31:05.589 --> 00:31:08.009 We have a lot to go through. I'm just shouting 00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:12.269 out my ranking. I've been Taylor here with Chelsea. 00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:13.890 We are a journey to the fringe. Thank you all 00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:15.569 for listening. We'll see you next week. 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