WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 from the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:33.329 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:33.329 --> 00:00:35.570 to Journey to the Fringe. You know what? I'm 00:00:35.570 --> 00:00:37.130 just going to leave it that way. We are your 00:00:37.130 --> 00:00:41.990 host, Taylor and Chelsea. I worked hard and it's 00:00:41.990 --> 00:00:43.770 gone and I don't know where it went. I don't 00:00:43.770 --> 00:00:46.909 want to look. We are your hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 00:00:47.390 --> 00:00:49.630 And Chelsea, I think you're going to like the 00:00:49.630 --> 00:00:51.670 way this episode goes, so I'm just going to go 00:00:51.670 --> 00:00:54.469 right into it. I believe you. Deathbed confessions 00:00:54.469 --> 00:00:57.450 have always carried a special weight. In their 00:00:57.450 --> 00:01:00.829 final moments, people are taught to shed. pretenses 00:01:00.829 --> 00:01:03.829 unburden themselves of secrets and speak truths 00:01:03.829 --> 00:01:05.989 they've carried for a lifetime. In the everyday 00:01:05.989 --> 00:01:08.590 world, these confessions often involve hidden 00:01:08.590 --> 00:01:11.430 affairs, family revelations, or long suppressed 00:01:11.430 --> 00:01:14.090 regrets and deeply human admissions meant to 00:01:14.090 --> 00:01:16.430 bring closure. And we have covered this in another 00:01:16.430 --> 00:01:19.310 episode. Not surprising to you. We have. It was 00:01:19.310 --> 00:01:23.510 my... This was season four, episode 93, deathbed 00:01:23.510 --> 00:01:26.250 confessions to die for. Wow. Thank you to the 00:01:26.250 --> 00:01:29.250 spreadsheet. You keep impressing me. In the world 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.620 of the fringe. Deathbed Confessions take on a 00:01:32.620 --> 00:01:35.099 very different character. Instead of revealing 00:01:35.099 --> 00:01:38.019 personal indiscretions, they claim to expose 00:01:38.019 --> 00:01:40.859 hidden histories and suppressed encounters. UFO 00:01:40.859 --> 00:01:43.459 crashes covered up by the governments, giants 00:01:43.459 --> 00:01:45.959 slain on battlefields, cryptids photographed 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.340 with staged trickery, or aliens being glimpsed 00:01:49.340 --> 00:01:52.459 in secret facilities. These stories are not just 00:01:52.459 --> 00:01:54.840 about personal guilt or reconciliation. They 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.239 are framed as revelations of cosmic importance 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.379 whispered at the edge of life. The difference 00:02:00.379 --> 00:02:03.680 lies in scales and consequences. General deathbed 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:07.239 confessions resolve private lives. Fringe deathbed 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.599 confessions attempt to rewrite public history. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.240 They blur the line between folklore and testimony, 00:02:12.580 --> 00:02:14.719 between myth and memory, and whether true or 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.319 not, they endure because they combine three years 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:20.280 as the well, authority figures, secrecy, and 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.219 the emotional gravity of a final revelation. 00:02:23.629 --> 00:02:25.909 Tonight we'll explore some of the most famous 00:02:25.909 --> 00:02:28.409 of these fringe deathbed confessions. From the 00:02:28.409 --> 00:02:31.250 Loch Ness Monster to anonymous insiders claiming 00:02:31.250 --> 00:02:34.610 UFO recoveries, each story reminds us that the 00:02:34.610 --> 00:02:37.189 truth people choose to tell at the end of their 00:02:37.189 --> 00:02:40.409 lives can be as strange and as contested as the 00:02:40.409 --> 00:02:43.270 mysteries themselves. So Chelsea, are deathbed 00:02:43.270 --> 00:02:46.030 confessions the ultimate truth serum or just 00:02:46.030 --> 00:02:49.650 stories amplified by the drama of finality? And 00:02:49.650 --> 00:02:52.030 that wasn't a question posed to you. That was 00:02:52.030 --> 00:02:54.580 just nothing to mention. But I think that came 00:02:54.580 --> 00:02:58.379 up on our last episode that we were talking about. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:03.060 Kind of what's going on behind the deathbed confession. 00:03:03.699 --> 00:03:06.379 And all I can think about right now is whether 00:03:06.379 --> 00:03:08.879 or not somebody's going to confess to Skinny 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.960 Bob on this episode itself. But to answer your 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.020 question, I don't know. Well, that's fair. And 00:03:16.020 --> 00:03:18.259 I will spoil it right now. Skinny Bob does not 00:03:18.259 --> 00:03:22.150 come up. However, There are quite a few episodes 00:03:22.150 --> 00:03:26.490 that we have done that will come up and I just... 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.460 especially people that are watching listening 00:03:28.460 --> 00:03:30.840 to this right now should go back and listen to 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.659 the deathbed confession episode originally because 00:03:33.659 --> 00:03:37.000 I think it's a very interesting contrast of a 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.520 general deathbed confession to a fringe topic 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.020 deathbed confession and you can see the differences 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:45.900 as we go I see what you did because I didn't 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:48.219 have a direction when I did mine I just kind 00:03:48.219 --> 00:03:51.000 of take what I could get we somewhat have to 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.199 deal with the whole topic of whether or not a 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.210 written confession is a deathbed confession but 00:03:56.210 --> 00:03:59.330 I find it really interesting the way deathbed 00:03:59.330 --> 00:04:02.430 confession is taken in Fringe Topic. I'm curious 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:04.990 what you think as we get going. Now we're gonna 00:04:04.990 --> 00:04:08.650 start off with a former CIA operative, the given 00:04:08.650 --> 00:04:12.629 name, Agent Cooper. Agent Cooper pops up on the 00:04:12.629 --> 00:04:15.550 scene, long known as the Anonymous, and he's 00:04:15.550 --> 00:04:18.670 first entered the UFO lore in 1998 when he gave 00:04:18.670 --> 00:04:21.949 journalist Linda Moulton Howe over 11 hours of 00:04:21.949 --> 00:04:24.490 interviews. In those sessions, he described being 00:04:24.490 --> 00:04:28.329 taken to a secret facility as S4 near Area 51, 00:04:28.410 --> 00:04:30.889 where he claimed to have seen alien spacecraft 00:04:30.889 --> 00:04:33.610 stored in hangar. He spoke of examining artifacts 00:04:33.610 --> 00:04:36.529 himself, describing the Roswell crash craft as 00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:39.310 looking like heavy aluminum foil, yet weighing 00:04:39.310 --> 00:04:41.490 only a few hundred pounds. He also said that 00:04:41.490 --> 00:04:44.009 he was shown autopsy footage and told the officials 00:04:44.009 --> 00:04:46.629 were interviewing a living great alien. However, 00:04:46.970 --> 00:04:50.370 years later, in 2013, at the age of 77, and in 00:04:50.370 --> 00:04:52.750 failing health, he agreed to film what he called 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:55.959 deathbed confession, with UFO researcher Richard 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.699 Dolan and filmmaker Jeremy Corbell. That was 00:04:58.699 --> 00:05:01.699 so close to being Richard Dolan. Richard Dolan 00:05:01.699 --> 00:05:06.180 is kind of screwed by that. It scared me. In 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:09.360 this interview, he declares, quote, I saw extraterrestrial 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.839 spacecrafts inside the base. Several alien vehicles 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.379 were stored there and there was a living alien 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.300 and I was able to give a description of the creature, 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.720 end quote. He also adds, quote, I'm telling you 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.839 this because I don't have much time left. I want 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.060 the people to know the truth, end quote. But 00:05:25.060 --> 00:05:27.480 he already gave like a statement about this. 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.160 In 1998, yes. I wouldn't consider it still a 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.319 deathbed confession if he's just reiterating. 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.399 For years. His identity remained hidden, fueling 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.600 speculation about who Andrew - Oh, did he say 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.480 his name? People spent a lot of time trying to 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.720 figure it out. Apparently, at his death in 2015, 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.139 people connected him to Oscar Wayne Wolf, who 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:51.500 was born in Minnesota in 1935, and he served 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:53.759 in the U .S. Army Signal Corps and later worked 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.899 with the CIA. Oh! His obituary confirmed his 00:05:56.899 --> 00:05:59.959 passing at Green Pine Acres Nursing Home in Minahoga, 00:06:00.019 --> 00:06:03.060 Minnesota on March 18, 2015. And I just want 00:06:03.060 --> 00:06:05.339 to note, No, he gave the deathbed confession 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:09.620 in 2013. But he didn't confess his name still. 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.339 He still remained anonymous. No, he still remained 00:06:12.339 --> 00:06:14.980 anonymous. No, I don't accept it. See, because 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:17.120 he already came out and said this stuff, now 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:19.319 the deathbed confession would be like, this stuff 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.300 all happened to me, here's my name, now I'm dead. 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:23.180 In theory, yes. That is what we think of as a 00:06:23.180 --> 00:06:24.980 deathbed confession, except that one guy who 00:06:24.980 --> 00:06:27.459 actually miraculously recovered and had to go 00:06:27.459 --> 00:06:31.660 to jail. Right. Okay, but like these things are 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:33.410 things you're getting all... your conscience 00:06:33.410 --> 00:06:35.750 before you die, right? How is that any different 00:06:35.750 --> 00:06:38.850 than what he said? You're not clearing anything, 00:06:38.850 --> 00:06:41.029 you're not getting it off your conscience, you're 00:06:41.029 --> 00:06:43.250 still technically going to the grave with it 00:06:43.250 --> 00:06:45.509 because your identifying person is not saying 00:06:45.509 --> 00:06:47.329 it. Hey Chelsea, I think you should hold some 00:06:47.329 --> 00:06:49.769 of these comments until the end because I think 00:06:49.769 --> 00:06:52.310 you might notice a pattern that happens in fringe 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:54.430 communities. The revelation that Agent Cooper 00:06:54.430 --> 00:06:56.810 was Oscar Wayne Wolf had profound effects on 00:06:56.810 --> 00:06:59.110 the story. Knowing his real name allowed researchers 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:01.069 to actually check his background while he did 00:07:01.069 --> 00:07:03.569 have military intelligence ties, skeptics noted 00:07:03.569 --> 00:07:06.350 gaps in his records that made parts of his testimony 00:07:06.350 --> 00:07:08.790 harder to verify. The anonymous mystique gave 00:07:08.790 --> 00:07:11.050 his confessions an aura of mystery. Once reeled 00:07:11.050 --> 00:07:13.449 as Wolf, a real person with a traceable life, 00:07:13.550 --> 00:07:15.629 the story became more grounded but also more 00:07:15.629 --> 00:07:19.230 open to scrutiny. For UFO enthusiasts, the reveal 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:22.209 strengthened the narrative. Here was a man with 00:07:22.209 --> 00:07:24.649 genuine intelligence connections risking his 00:07:24.649 --> 00:07:27.370 final years to tell the truth. For critics, the 00:07:27.370 --> 00:07:30.069 reveal weakened the myth. Without anonymity, 00:07:30.370 --> 00:07:32.220 inconsistencies in in his background could be 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:35.060 examined and some argue his claims were exaggerated 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:38.079 or fabricated. However, the shift from the anonymous 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.300 to Oscar Wolfe transformed the confession from 00:07:40.300 --> 00:07:43.480 a shadowy legend into a human story. One of an 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.939 aging man, perhaps haunted by secrets, choosing 00:07:45.939 --> 00:07:48.879 to speak out before death. So Chelsea, that's 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:50.740 probably the most famous you're going to see 00:07:50.740 --> 00:07:53.399 in the UFO community is Agent Cooper. Okay. Okay. 00:07:53.420 --> 00:07:55.560 I like his name. It's pretty cute. Yeah. And 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.620 he made it up. He got to pick his cute name. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.339 Next up we got Void. Now, Boyd Bushman was a 00:08:02.339 --> 00:08:04.939 retired senior scientist at Lockheed Martin and 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:08.000 gave a filmed, death -fed confession in 2014 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.819 in which he claimed to have first -hand knowledge 00:08:09.819 --> 00:08:12.379 of UFOs, alien beings, and reverse -engineered 00:08:12.379 --> 00:08:15.240 spacecrafts. Boyd Bushman spent much of his career 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.579 as a senior research engineer at Lockheed Martin 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:20.019 working on advanced aerospace projects. He was 00:08:20.019 --> 00:08:22.519 known for patents related to aircraft detection 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.500 systems, radiation measurement devices, and propulsion 00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:28.899 concepts. In June 2014, just weeks before his 00:08:28.899 --> 00:08:30.860 death, he said, sat down for a filmed interview 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.860 at his home in Tucson, Arizona. This recording, 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:37.080 later released online, became known as his deathbed 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.299 confession. In the interview, Bushman claimed 00:08:39.299 --> 00:08:42.460 that during his time at Lockheed Martin, he had 00:08:42.460 --> 00:08:44.519 access to information about extraterrestrial 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.320 technology and aliens being housed at Area 51. 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.620 He presented photographs of beings he described 00:08:49.620 --> 00:08:52.000 as extraterrestrials saying, quote, they're about 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.419 five feet tall and they have one or two different 00:08:54.419 --> 00:08:56.539 races. Some are friendly and some are not, end 00:08:56.539 --> 00:08:58.379 quote. He also asserted that the U .S. government 00:08:58.379 --> 00:09:01.250 was actively engaged in reverse engineering alien 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:04.250 spacecrafts, including crafts uncovered from 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:06.769 the Roswell crash. He described propulsion systems 00:09:06.769 --> 00:09:09.730 that could travel vast distances and claimed, 00:09:10.149 --> 00:09:11.870 quote, they can travel faster than the speed 00:09:11.870 --> 00:09:13.909 of light. That's how they get here, end quote. 00:09:14.110 --> 00:09:16.490 Bushman's testimony was striking because it came 00:09:16.490 --> 00:09:18.629 from someone with a long career in aerospace 00:09:18.629 --> 00:09:21.789 engineering. His words carried the aura of technical 00:09:21.789 --> 00:09:23.830 authority and his willingness to speak openly 00:09:23.830 --> 00:09:25.509 at the end of his life gave the confession a 00:09:25.509 --> 00:09:27.590 dramatic weight. He insisted, quote, I wanted 00:09:27.590 --> 00:09:30.409 to tell the truth, I don't have much time left." 00:09:30.409 --> 00:09:32.990 End quote. Unlike the anonymous whistleblower, 00:09:33.309 --> 00:09:35.710 Bushman was a verifiable figure with a long career 00:09:35.710 --> 00:09:38.730 at Lockheed Martin. His identity gave his claims 00:09:38.730 --> 00:09:41.450 more initial credibility. Once revealed, skeptics 00:09:41.450 --> 00:09:44.269 examined his photos and statements closely. Some 00:09:44.269 --> 00:09:47.330 argue the aliens' images he presented were actually 00:09:47.330 --> 00:09:49.710 toys or props undermined in the testimony. We'll 00:09:49.710 --> 00:09:51.809 post these up with the episode so people can 00:09:51.809 --> 00:09:54.490 see them. For UFO enthusiasts, Bushman's confessions 00:09:54.490 --> 00:09:56.990 were powerful. A respected scientist confirming 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.820 government secrecy about extraterrestrials. However, 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.500 his story remains one of the most cited deathbed 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:05.620 confessions in UFO lore, blending aerospace authority 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:09.159 with dramatic claims of alien contact. I don't 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.240 really think it's fair that the government was 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.840 putting alien grays up when, you know, there's 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.600 a cost of living crisis going on. It's not that 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:19.200 nice. Oh, that was in the... When was this? This 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.899 was the mid -2000s? Sorry, 2014. So it's not 00:10:22.899 --> 00:10:25.019 really a cost of living. It still was, but not 00:10:25.019 --> 00:10:27.639 quite where it's at these days. And to be fair, 00:10:27.820 --> 00:10:29.480 maybe they were part of the military. Maybe they 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.120 signed up. He does seem really old. I don't know. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.559 Okay, it gives his deathbed some credence. Yeah. 00:10:37.089 --> 00:10:40.450 He was definitely old. I don't know what to think 00:10:40.450 --> 00:10:43.429 about that one. Next up is Walter Hout. It's 00:10:43.429 --> 00:10:45.850 spelled H -A -U -T. So I'm gonna say Hout. It 00:10:45.850 --> 00:10:48.210 could be hot. I don't know for sure. First Lieutenant 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:51.120 Walter Hout. the public information officer at 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.460 Roswell in 1947. For real? Yeah. Okay, keep talking. 00:10:54.539 --> 00:10:56.899 He was the public information officer of the 00:10:56.899 --> 00:11:01.000 509th Bomb Group at Roswell on July 8th, 1947. 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.700 He issued the now famous press release stating 00:11:03.700 --> 00:11:06.379 that the Army had recovered a quote, flying disc, 00:11:06.899 --> 00:11:10.120 unquote. No. Within hours, a second release retracted 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.000 the claim saying it was only a weather balloon. 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.860 Now, After the whole Roswell incident, which 00:11:14.860 --> 00:11:17.340 we've covered in multiple occasions, I can't 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:19.379 quite remember the second one which is better 00:11:19.379 --> 00:11:21.120 and I don't want to quote the first one which 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.679 is far worse, so we're just going to avoid that. 00:11:23.940 --> 00:11:26.919 Just, you know Roswell. Hout remained in Roswell 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.340 for decades, co -founding the International UFO 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:32.940 Museum in 1991. He was often interviewed about 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:35.000 the incident, but usually stuck to the official 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.419 line that he had only been following orders. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:42.019 In UFO crash at Roswell, Pout appears as a witness, 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:45.279 though not to any actual debris. During a March 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.039 1989 interview, he said he knew nothing about 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.720 what was recovered. He described being asked 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.100 by Blanchard to write the press release, quote, 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.139 I didn't hear about it until I guess Jess, who 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:58.879 was Jesse Marcel, head intelligence officer who 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.980 initially investigated and recovered some of 00:12:00.980 --> 00:12:03.179 the debris, was on his way to the flight line. 00:12:03.259 --> 00:12:05.779 He did however describe what Marcel told him, 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.460 quote, it was something he had never seen and 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:10.639 didn't believe it was a this planet, I trusted 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:13.360 him on his knowledge." He further stated, quote, 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.379 I think there was a giant cover up on this thing, 00:12:16.379 --> 00:12:20.039 end quote. In an affidavit signed May 14th, 1993, 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:22.580 he repeated the above claim sequence of events 00:12:22.580 --> 00:12:25.279 and added, quote, I believe Colonel Blanchard 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.639 saw the material because he sounded positive 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.700 about what the material was. There's no chance 00:12:30.700 --> 00:12:33.000 he would have mistaken it for a weather balloon. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.559 Now, is there any chance that Major Marcel would 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.919 have been mistaken, end quote. By this time, 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:42.240 how with Max Little and Glenn Dennis had opened 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.720 the International UFO Museum and Research Center. 00:12:44.779 --> 00:12:47.279 Prior to Hout's death, Ufologist Donald Schmidt 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.580 conducted interviews with Hout covering material 00:12:49.580 --> 00:12:52.820 that Schmidt says Hout requested to be kept confidential 00:12:52.820 --> 00:12:55.179 during his life. Schmidt composed and emailed 00:12:55.179 --> 00:12:58.659 an affidavit to Hout's family which Hout signed 00:12:58.659 --> 00:13:01.360 at his International UFO Museum and Research 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.659 Center in front of his daughter Julie Schuster, 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.120 staff notary Beverly Morgan and a museum guest. 00:13:07.379 --> 00:13:09.190 Schmidt and the family agreed not to release 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:11.889 this 2002 document until after Hout's death. 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:15.250 Hout died in 2005 and in 2007 Donald Schmidt 00:13:15.250 --> 00:13:18.549 and Tom Carey published the book Witness to Roswell 00:13:18.549 --> 00:13:21.490 which prominently featured the document presented 00:13:21.490 --> 00:13:24.909 as the sealed affidavit of Walter G Hout. The 00:13:24.909 --> 00:13:27.750 book was criticized for lack of evidence inconsistencies 00:13:27.750 --> 00:13:30.490 and with previous accounts and presenting the 00:13:30.490 --> 00:13:33.370 2002 document as Hout's affidavit. That's his 00:13:33.370 --> 00:13:35.549 statement basically stated that he didn't believe 00:13:35.549 --> 00:13:38.490 the official story of Roswell. Yeah, but he had 00:13:38.490 --> 00:13:42.230 no evidence otherwise. Yeah, I know and that's 00:13:42.230 --> 00:13:45.309 the annoying part of it. I like him. I think 00:13:45.309 --> 00:13:48.529 the best so far. He didn't believe it and then 00:13:48.529 --> 00:13:51.649 he opened a UFO museum. Yeah, I think importantly 00:13:51.649 --> 00:13:54.970 so far he's the truest deathbed confession in 00:13:54.970 --> 00:13:59.080 that it's at least around or after when he dies 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:02.960 and he's not really like given any info really 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.500 he's just like i don't know what it was i was 00:14:05.500 --> 00:14:07.980 following orders and some guy told me that it 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:11.480 wasn't it was alien yeah i like it i like walter 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.159 hout next one up an episode you did one on shake 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.279 harbor oh i thought you were just gonna cover 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:23.740 someone i did in my deathbed confession no So 00:14:23.740 --> 00:14:26.159 we covered Shake Harbor in season two episode 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.899 16 a heritage minute the Shake Harbor incident 00:14:28.899 --> 00:14:31.360 Wow, look at us not getting you guys to do the 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.120 work to find out what episode it's on But anyhow, 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.480 you're still gonna get a vague idea of this deathbed 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.919 confession because trying to contrast What deathbed 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:42.860 confession means in the fringe community and 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:45.940 I don't think I can find a better Exemplary piece 00:14:45.940 --> 00:14:49.059 then this article titled anonymous witness of 00:14:49.059 --> 00:14:52.259 Shake Harbor UFO shares quote deathbed confession 00:14:52.259 --> 00:14:55.899 hangar quote by TK Randolph on December 30th, 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:59.960 2023. What the hell? This comes from the website 00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:27.490 Unexplained Mysteries beneath the wave. Despite 00:15:27.490 --> 00:15:30.450 extensive efforts by Canadian Navy divers to 00:15:30.450 --> 00:15:32.690 locate the object on the seafloor, no trace of 00:15:32.690 --> 00:15:35.210 it was ever found, and the incident was ultimately 00:15:35.210 --> 00:15:38.610 dismissed as unexplained. Now, more than 56 years 00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:41.269 later, a witness who had observed the object 00:15:41.269 --> 00:15:44.330 at the time has contacted unexplained mysteries 00:15:44.330 --> 00:15:47.990 via email to describe his experience. Your deathbed 00:15:47.990 --> 00:15:51.149 confession is a witness to Shaye Kerber? Yes! 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:55.000 What a son -of -a -bitch! Gives it on his deathbed? 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.960 No, Chelsea, re -listen to this sentence. Now, 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.220 more than 56 years later, a witness who had observed 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:04.399 the object at the time has contacted Unexplained 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.559 Mysteries via email to describe his experience. 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.700 Nah, okay, I'll begrudgingly listen to this. 00:16:12.539 --> 00:16:15.539 A photograph that he presumably captured of the 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:18.620 object was also included, see below. I'll include 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:23.340 a link to this. Why, of all people, are you contacting... 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:25.860 Unexplained Mysteries, yes. What's his name? 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.320 That's probably his website, the guy who used 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.139 to do Unexplained Mysteries. Unsolved Mysteries. 00:16:31.539 --> 00:16:34.159 Never mind, he would be too pure. Rippin' it 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.799 up! quote from the email this is a large brilliantly 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.639 lit rectangular shaped object and came out of 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.700 the water and ascended into the sky and quickly 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:46.940 disappeared this photograph was taken roughly 00:16:46.940 --> 00:16:49.519 30 miles away from shea harbor about a week after 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.299 the incident that started end quote he wrote 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.759 quote as far as I'm aware to the best of my knowledge 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.620 no man -made aircraft or submarine possessing 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:02.659 such technologies exist question mark one can 00:17:02.659 --> 00:17:05.099 clearly see from the photo enlargement that this 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:07.880 object has no visible means of propulsion wings 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.759 engines etc quite extraordinary and remarkable 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.440 as to how this object moved and traveled around 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.000 end quote quote I have carried this burden for 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.619 over 50 years and it is now time to set this 00:17:18.619 --> 00:17:21.400 free end quote some burden and then he brought 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.210 a picture of it. So Chelsea, those are the UFO 00:17:24.210 --> 00:17:27.230 deathbed confessions. Okay, can I get my phone 00:17:27.230 --> 00:17:30.130 or hold them to the end? You know what? Overall, 00:17:30.829 --> 00:17:33.549 fringe. I actually find there's a distinct difference 00:17:33.549 --> 00:17:36.490 between cryptid deathbed confessions and - Oh, 00:17:36.650 --> 00:17:39.630 there's cryptid. UFO deathbed confessions? So 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:41.930 I would like to see what your viewpoint is on 00:17:41.930 --> 00:17:45.670 UFO deathbed confessions. Overall, it's very 00:17:45.670 --> 00:17:48.750 reminiscent of the entire UFO community as a 00:17:48.750 --> 00:17:52.210 whole, I feel like. It's a little bit flaky, 00:17:52.630 --> 00:17:56.250 kinda doesn't hold any real substance. Walter 00:17:56.250 --> 00:18:00.150 Houtt, I like that guy. He seems to the sharpest 00:18:00.150 --> 00:18:03.509 shooter of the bunch. He just encountered something. 00:18:03.569 --> 00:18:06.130 He thought, oh, there's maybe a little bit more 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:09.579 to this. I'm gonna open a UFO museum and I will 00:18:09.579 --> 00:18:12.519 sign an affidavit that I don't know what it was 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.700 and I'm suspicious. And one of my friends told 00:18:15.700 --> 00:18:17.880 me that he's suspicious as well. I like him. 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:20.440 But at the same time, he was pushed to do it 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:24.619 by a UFO investigator. Who was the UFO, the guy 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:27.029 who wrote the book? Smith, yeah. He asked him 00:18:27.029 --> 00:18:30.250 to do it. But he seems like a guy that wouldn't 00:18:30.250 --> 00:18:32.269 do it unless that's what he thought because he 00:18:32.269 --> 00:18:34.890 did open a UFO. Maybe he just... I don't know 00:18:34.890 --> 00:18:37.230 if he would have done it if a UFO investigator 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:39.809 hadn't asked him. You're right. I'm not loving 00:18:39.809 --> 00:18:42.890 it. I'm not loving it. I mean the first guy, 00:18:42.970 --> 00:18:46.230 we've come a long way since the first guy, who... 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.180 What did he do again? Cuper? There's definitely 00:18:49.180 --> 00:18:52.420 aliens at Area 51. Oh yeah, the guy who didn't 00:18:52.420 --> 00:18:55.539 give his name. Not a fan of that. Nope, not a 00:18:55.539 --> 00:18:57.980 fan that he didn't give his name. And he just 00:18:57.980 --> 00:19:00.099 put out another statement saying the same thing. 00:19:00.140 --> 00:19:02.519 Also, it's great that um... His claim to fame 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:05.039 for his first interview was Lindum Alton Howe 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.440 too. I don't want to even think about Lindum 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.200 Alton Howe. And then Jeremy Corbell. It seems 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.740 flaky, like the usual stuff that we see with 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:15.299 assholes, unfortunately. Yeah. I don't think 00:19:15.299 --> 00:19:17.640 there's any substance to it. And I have thoughts 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.480 on it too, but I'm going to keep that till the 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:21.880 end. We're going to move on now to some cryptid 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.559 deathbed confessions, Chelsea. And who's on the 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.299 deathbed? The cryptids? No, the people. How they're 00:19:28.299 --> 00:19:30.819 associated with the cryptids, we will see as 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.380 the people say things. And actually, the first 00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:36.440 one I'm going to cover is Roger Patterson. Aha, 00:19:36.900 --> 00:19:40.119 yes. Yes, Chelsea knows who this is, of the Patterson 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.779 -Gimblin film from 1967. I didn't know he had 00:19:43.779 --> 00:19:47.619 a... I'm already more intrigued. Well, here's 00:19:47.619 --> 00:19:50.200 the thing, Chelsea. I do like Walter Hout. I'm 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.220 going to put it on record multiple times. Okay. 00:19:52.410 --> 00:19:54.529 You're gonna learn some things about deathbed 00:19:54.529 --> 00:19:57.170 confessions in the cryptic community now. Roger 00:19:57.170 --> 00:19:59.549 Patterson was one of the co -creators of the 00:19:59.549 --> 00:20:02.750 1967 very famous Patterson -Gimlin film that 00:20:02.750 --> 00:20:05.369 allegedly depicts Bigfoot. Just so we're clear, 00:20:05.589 --> 00:20:09.109 this is the Bigfoot video that you're thinking 00:20:09.109 --> 00:20:12.349 of. Yeah. It is the most famous Bigfoot video. 00:20:12.569 --> 00:20:15.869 Yeah, it's a pretty good video. He did not have 00:20:15.869 --> 00:20:18.410 a deathbed confession admitting that the footage 00:20:18.410 --> 00:20:21.730 was a hoax. Here's the thing, it came out and 00:20:21.730 --> 00:20:25.250 it's very prominent out there that Roger Patterson 00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:28.210 admitted that the film was a hoax. That is not 00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:30.390 true. Oh, I thought you just said that he did. 00:20:30.609 --> 00:20:34.069 I was like, no news to me. It is absolutely out 00:20:34.069 --> 00:20:37.369 there in the zeitgeist, if you're in the bigfoot 00:20:37.369 --> 00:20:39.210 community, that Roger Patterson came out and 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.170 said that the film was a hoax on his deathbed. 00:20:41.230 --> 00:20:43.829 He did not. The Patterson -Gimlin film shot on 00:20:43.829 --> 00:20:47.230 October 20, 1967 at Bluff Creek in Northern California 00:20:47.230 --> 00:20:49.869 shows a large ape -like figure striding across 00:20:49.869 --> 00:20:52.650 a clearing before glancing back at the camera. 00:20:52.750 --> 00:20:55.029 Patterson and his partner Bob Gimlin claimed 00:20:55.029 --> 00:20:57.490 they were investigating reports of large footprints 00:20:57.490 --> 00:20:59.390 when they encountered the creature. The film 00:20:59.390 --> 00:21:01.789 quickly became the most iconic piece of alleged 00:21:01.869 --> 00:21:04.369 put evidence, analyzed for decades by scientists, 00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:06.950 skeptics, and enthusiasts. Supporters point to 00:21:06.950 --> 00:21:09.630 anatomical details in the gait and muscle movement 00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:12.549 as evidence of authenticity, while skeptics argue 00:21:12.549 --> 00:21:14.970 it could have been a man in a costume. However, 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:17.809 there's a deathbed confession rumor that emerges 00:21:17.809 --> 00:21:21.369 well later. Oh, I'm so excited. Patterson says 00:21:21.369 --> 00:21:24.829 this was all a scam, but it's a mix -up. But 00:21:24.829 --> 00:21:27.589 he didn't. There's another man that admits to 00:21:27.589 --> 00:21:30.450 a deathbed cryptid faking, and we're going to 00:21:30.450 --> 00:21:34.039 cover him later. hitter, but he dies in 1993. 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.319 Over time, his confession is mistakenly attributed 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.019 to Roger Patterson, who fuels the myth that he 00:21:41.019 --> 00:21:43.279 admitted to hoaxing the Bigfoot film. But in 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.640 reality, Patterson dies of cancer in 1972 at 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.400 the age of 38, not that much after he filmed 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.339 it, five years. Oh, with no deathbed confession. 00:21:52.579 --> 00:21:55.019 No, and those close to him, including Gimlin, 00:21:55.099 --> 00:21:57.400 have consistently stated that he never recanted 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.279 his story. Gimlin himself has maintained for 00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:03.220 decades that the encounter was genuine. The controversy 00:22:03.220 --> 00:22:06.059 surrounding the film remains unsolved and believers 00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:08.160 argue that the most compelling visual evidence 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.200 of Bigfoot, citing biomechanical analyses of 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.759 the figure's proportions but skeptics counter. 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:16.640 The Patterson had a history of interest in Bigfoot 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:19.880 and may have staged the film. But you can't take 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.160 his deathbed confession into account because 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:31.619 it's not real. whether or not it's real. Nor 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:33.460 do we have the skills to actually tell anyone 00:22:33.460 --> 00:22:35.940 whether or not it's real or not. It's true because 00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:38.400 you know maybe if it was filmed today we would 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.519 be able to debunk it or something like that. 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.299 Also I know we talked about this on our Bigfoot 00:22:43.299 --> 00:22:47.400 episode but there is a local connection for us 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.180 kind of between here and where you are Robert 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:54.039 Gimlin has connections to Harrison Hot Springs. 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:56.019 Yes we have talked about that before I believe 00:22:56.019 --> 00:22:58.200 it's in the Harrison Hot Springs episode. We 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:00.529 didn't do it. episode on Harrison Hot Springs. 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:03.769 Well, we talked about Harrison Hot Springs a 00:23:03.769 --> 00:23:06.250 lot in one episode. Yeah, we did. In the Bigfoot 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:10.329 episode. This is in... Why does it say it's all 00:23:10.329 --> 00:23:12.170 bunny -ups from here? It's in there. I don't 00:23:12.170 --> 00:23:15.730 know. Sometime a long time ago. I have one more 00:23:15.730 --> 00:23:19.369 Bigfoot confession, and man, I cannot ground 00:23:19.369 --> 00:23:22.109 this one, so I'm just going to preface that right 00:23:22.109 --> 00:23:25.049 from the start here. This story originates. I 00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:28.130 can't find it before anywhere else on the internet. 00:23:28.130 --> 00:23:33.339 Okay. From Sasquatch Chronicles, the pod - and 00:23:33.339 --> 00:23:36.920 they don't cite any links in their sources. Oh 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.740 no, okay. I'm still open to it. And we don't 00:23:39.740 --> 00:23:41.619 even need to worry because it's a listener who 00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:44.119 did this. He recounts a former law enforcement 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.119 officer's death -fed confession. According to 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.039 this account, the officer claimed that in the 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.619 Dakotas, government officials and law enforcement 00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:55.700 shot Sasquatch from helicopters. He described 00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:58.359 seeing photographs and audio recordings from 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:01.160 the operation, which allegedly showed multiple 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.700 creatures being killed. The officer said he had 00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:06.599 carried the burden of secrecy for years, but 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.980 wanted to clear his conscience before passing 00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:11.619 away. You take with that what you will. I can't 00:24:11.619 --> 00:24:14.380 find that corroborated anywhere. I can't find 00:24:14.380 --> 00:24:17.839 it stated anywhere else. I don't even know what 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.000 to think about what you just told me. I mean, 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:22.140 they're just hunting them in the Dakotas, where 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:24.960 Bigfoot are plentiful, for there are no forests. 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.660 Apparently, they're just flying in helicopters 00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:32.140 just picking them off, eh? Hmm. Yeah. My last 00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:34.460 cryptid death by confession is Christian Sperling. 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.299 In April 1934, the Daily Mail published what 00:24:37.299 --> 00:24:40.000 quickly became the most famous image of the Loch 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.359 Ness Monster, a grey, black and white photograph 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.779 showing a long necked small head rising from 00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:47.579 still waters of the loch. If you think of a picture 00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:49.420 of the Loch Ness Monster, this is the picture. 00:24:49.579 --> 00:24:52.819 This picture is credited to Colonel Robert Kenneth 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:55.549 Wilson, a London surgeon who claimed he had taken 00:24:55.549 --> 00:24:58.569 the photo while driving along the lock with friends. 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:00.589 According to Wilson's account, he stopped when 00:25:00.589 --> 00:25:02.529 he saw something moving in the water, pulled 00:25:02.529 --> 00:25:04.869 out his camera, and captured the creature before 00:25:04.869 --> 00:25:07.069 it slipped beneath the surface. Because Wilson 00:25:07.069 --> 00:25:09.609 was respected professional and reluctant to be 00:25:09.609 --> 00:25:11.569 publicly associated with the image, the press 00:25:11.569 --> 00:25:14.089 dubbed it the surgeon's photograph. For decades, 00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:16.569 the photo was treated as the strongest visual 00:25:16.569 --> 00:25:18.829 evidence of Nessie's existence, appearing in 00:25:18.829 --> 00:25:20.930 books, documentaries, and tours and brochures 00:25:20.930 --> 00:25:23.369 worldwide. The truth, however, came out much 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:26.940 later in in 1994. Christian Sperling, then 90 00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:29.259 years old and near death, confessed that the 00:25:29.259 --> 00:25:31.940 photograph was a hoax. Sperling was the stepson 00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:34.599 of Marmaduke Weatherall, which is not a name 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.779 I thought I would ever come across outside of 00:25:37.779 --> 00:25:42.220 Sunday comics. A big game hunter hired by the 00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:44.859 Daily Mail in 1933 to investigate Loch Ness. 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.339 Wetherill had been humiliated when monster tracks 00:25:48.339 --> 00:25:51.180 he reported turned out to be made with a hippo 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:53.779 slip. Seeking revenge on the newspaper, Wetherill 00:25:53.779 --> 00:25:56.559 enlisted Sperling to build a fake monster and 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.920 Sperling constructed a model head and neck from 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:02.000 plastic wood and attached it to a toy submarine. 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.720 The stage photo was then passed to Wilson who 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.779 agreed to lend his name to the story giving it 00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:09.559 credibility. Sperling admitted It was just a 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.099 practical joke that went too far, end quote. 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.720 His confession... A hippo foot? Yeah! I don't 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.220 know how that works, but yeah. It's okay, I just 00:26:18.220 --> 00:26:20.579 wanted to make sure I understood properly. His 00:26:20.579 --> 00:26:23.299 confession to span decades of belief in the photo's 00:26:23.299 --> 00:26:26.299 authenticity, vindicating skeptics who had long 00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:28.839 suspected trickery. Yet, even after the hoax 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.400 was exposed, the image remains iconic, a reminder 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.240 of how myth, media, and human mischief can create 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.720 legends that endure long after the truth is revealed. 00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.539 And Chelsea, that is my last deathbed confession. 00:26:40.819 --> 00:26:45.279 I tried so hard to go to Reddit for a story of, 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.960 hey, my uncle claimed that he killed a Bigfoot, 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.799 or saw a UFO, or anything with a deathbed confession 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.920 relating to the Fringe. Nothing. There is zero. 00:26:55.099 --> 00:26:59.299 And I find it very interesting because if anything 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:00.900 I feel like that's something you're going to 00:27:00.900 --> 00:27:03.960 keep until the grave. But also the fact that 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.559 the other stories that even come up around this 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.359 have nothing to do with actual deathbeds. I find 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:13.160 interesting. Yeah that is actually very interesting 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.519 and... It's almost as if it can be a buzzword 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.210 to lend credence. to your story as evidence. 00:27:20.609 --> 00:27:24.009 You're right. And even the Patterson Gimlin one, 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:26.549 it's connected to something that's not a deathbed 00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:30.630 confession, even though it was said that it was 00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:34.009 Patterson's deathbed confession. It's weird how 00:27:34.009 --> 00:27:36.710 often people try to claim deathbed confession 00:27:36.710 --> 00:27:39.869 as evidence or add the word to make the evidence 00:27:39.869 --> 00:27:43.529 seem stronger. Yeah, it is almost like they're 00:27:43.529 --> 00:27:46.369 using it as evidence, isn't it? Because not one 00:27:46.369 --> 00:27:48.869 of these was somebody saying on their deathbed 00:27:48.869 --> 00:27:52.250 this thing despite the fact that's what I started 00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:55.269 out looking for and not one of these would make 00:27:55.269 --> 00:27:58.789 me believe in anything that they were talking 00:27:58.789 --> 00:28:02.190 about no but would it point me to believe it 00:28:02.190 --> 00:28:04.549 any more than what they're saying and Chelsea 00:28:04.549 --> 00:28:06.890 I should say sorry before we get too far away 00:28:06.890 --> 00:28:09.829 from it this Loch Ness monster confession is 00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:13.190 the one that's often misconstrued as the Patterson 00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:15.390 deathbed confession which is basically saying 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:17.759 in the 90s Loch Ness monster was debunked on 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.640 the deathbed so they move it to Patterson oh 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.579 okay that was great i don't think i i can't remember 00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:27.980 my deathbed confession but i don't think i talked 00:28:27.980 --> 00:28:30.160 about anything like this it was just straight 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.880 up deathbed confession somebody mistakenly found 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.920 out that they didn't like owls and they just 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.410 collected owls yeah i like that one I really 00:28:41.410 --> 00:28:45.829 like the guy who talked about murdering somebody 00:28:45.829 --> 00:28:47.789 and then had to go to jail for it because he 00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:52.630 survived. Very different episodes. I do always 00:28:52.630 --> 00:28:55.690 enjoy stuff like this because I always end up 00:28:55.690 --> 00:28:58.950 disappointed. And it's not that I don't like 00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:01.690 listening to these things, it's just that in 00:29:01.690 --> 00:29:04.990 the end it just always comes up lackadaisical 00:29:04.990 --> 00:29:08.130 for me, unfortunately. Unless it doesn't, but 00:29:08.130 --> 00:29:11.309 this one did a little bit. because other than 00:29:11.309 --> 00:29:14.970 Walter Hout, I really enjoyed him, but he didn't 00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:18.009 really do much, and I think it's just because 00:29:18.009 --> 00:29:20.650 he had a UFO museum. And I didn't mind spurling, 00:29:20.750 --> 00:29:22.509 but the whole thing, especially with cryptids, 00:29:22.529 --> 00:29:24.769 I find if there's going to be a cryptid deathbed 00:29:24.769 --> 00:29:27.210 confession, it's going to be debunking something 00:29:27.210 --> 00:29:30.609 as opposed to actually like claiming something 00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:33.329 fantastic. That's true, because why on your deathbed 00:29:33.329 --> 00:29:36.170 would you be like, that was real, if that's what 00:29:36.170 --> 00:29:38.130 you've been talking about the whole time, right? 00:29:38.130 --> 00:29:41.019 It's just like the first guy. Exactly. And when 00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:43.160 we look closely at fringe deathbed confessions, 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.660 a pattern emerges. Unlike traditional deathbed 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:48.460 confessions, which often involve deeply personal 00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:50.559 secrets revealed in the final hours of life, 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.119 these stories are harder to pin down. They frequently 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.559 come from anonymous sources or from individuals 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.240 who were elderly but not actually dying. And 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.240 the details are almost always impossible to corroborate. 00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:03.980 The term deathbed confession itself has become 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:06.539 something of a buzzword in paranormal encrypted 00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.880 circles. It lends drama and gravity to acclaim. 00:30:10.089 --> 00:30:12.490 suggesting that the speaker had nothing left 00:30:12.490 --> 00:30:14.789 to lose and therefore must be telling the truth. 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:18.230 But in practice, many of these so -called confessions 00:30:18.230 --> 00:30:21.690 are simply late -life testimonies retold without 00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:24.390 evidence and stretched to fit the narrative of 00:30:24.390 --> 00:30:27.769 secrecy and revelation. And here's a key distinction, 00:30:28.230 --> 00:30:31.519 encrypted lore Death -fed confessions often refute 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.279 the story rather than support it. In Christian 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.920 Sperling Admitted the Loch Ness Monster's Surgeon 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.059 photograph was a hoax. These confessions don't 00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:41.460 confirm the existence of monsters, they dismantle 00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:43.759 the most famous pieces of evidence. By contrast, 00:30:43.940 --> 00:30:46.500 in UFO lore, death -fed confessions tend to support 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:49.140 the mystery, with insiders claiming to have seen 00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.339 crash -craft, recovered bodies, or government 00:30:51.339 --> 00:30:53.880 cover -ups. That doesn't mean these stories are 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.579 powerful. The emotional weight of a final admission, 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:01.029 whether it's exposed a hoax or whispering about 00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:04.210 hidden truths ensures they endure. They thrive 00:31:04.210 --> 00:31:07.109 because they combine authority, mystery, and 00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:10.289 the urgency of last words. Yet we must remember 00:31:10.289 --> 00:31:14.150 without names, documents, or corroboration they 00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:16.930 remain legends rather than proof. And perhaps 00:31:16.930 --> 00:31:19.049 that's the real lesson here. Fringe deathbed 00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:21.910 confessions aren't about closure in the way ordinary 00:31:21.910 --> 00:31:24.410 ones are. They're about keeping mysteries alive, 00:31:24.569 --> 00:31:27.470 whether by tearing down the myths we thought 00:31:27.470 --> 00:31:30.950 we knew, or by adding new layers of secrecy to 00:31:30.950 --> 00:31:33.710 the unknown. And with that, I have been Taylor, 00:31:34.029 --> 00:31:35.990 here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. 00:31:36.210 --> 00:31:37.549 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you 00:31:37.549 --> 00:31:44.069 next week. Thank you for listening to Journey 00:31:44.069 --> 00:31:46.410 to the Fringe. If you have liked what you have 00:31:46.410 --> 00:31:50.369 listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or 00:31:50.369 --> 00:31:53.160 follow, depending on what. venue you are listening 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.039 to us through. 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