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This one I sent you just today, Taylor, and I

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feel like it's fitting for a mini. This one is

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from the CBC, Canada's news outlet. I don't know

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that it speaks for everyone, but it's good. And

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this one is from November 10th, 2025. Luckily,

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not last, not any other year. And who wrote it?

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Christian Pasling, Avi Angelovski, Peter Pearson,

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and Eric Sesto. That's a lot of people that wrote

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that. I know. I'm also gonna say you shouldn't

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say luckily from this year. I don't think this

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is good news. No, I'm just saying luckily for

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us it's recent news. Is all that. See, I still

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don't think it's lucky. It's just that I'm on

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the recent news for once. Usually it's like years

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past. Anyhow, this one's titled, MMM Gym Owners

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Coaches ID'd at Secretive Neo -Nazi Event in

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BC, British Columbia, for those who are not Canadian

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or Canadian and don't know what BC means. They

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exist. They're in the East. Yep. It's true. Some

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of the country's most prominent white supremacist

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groups gathered in Vancouver this summer for

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a secretive neo -Nazi conference that also included

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martial arts gym owners, coaches, and troops.

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In Vancouver? Yep. How is it secretive if it's

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in one of the three biggest cities in Canada?

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You can still do secret things here. I guess

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it's probably easier than in small towns. Like

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what we wanted to do has clearly shown. Yeah,

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that's very true. Held at the Scottish Cultural

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Centre in the, wow, Scottish Cultural Centre,

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that sucks for them, in the city's south end,

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the event, I've never heard of the south end

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of Vancouver. Well, yeah, it's secret. The event

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was organized by a group called Exiles of the

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Golden Age and discussed the formation of manner

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buns on the group's social media accounts. They

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describe these as disciplined groups of men who

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can rebuild our world amidst the coming wreckage.

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It really bothers me, Chelsea, that they chose

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German for that. Like, the Bunds. It's a friendship.

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Oh, is that what that means? How do you know

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that? During World War II, there was a very famous

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group called the German -American Bund, which

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was people who were pro -Nazi. And they had a

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rally at Madison Square Garden for them. Oh.

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And yeah, it was like 30 ,000 people went to

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Madison Square Garden to cheer on the Nazis and

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had like full -on Nazi gear. We've talked about

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that, I think. It's the German -American Bund,

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which means they're using German because they

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use Bund. Yeah, okay. CBC News' Visual Investigations

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Unit obtained video of attendees and organizers

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entering the event. The video was gathered by

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the non -profit Canadian Anti -Hate Network,

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CAHN, which studies far -right extremism in Canada.

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One conference speaker, a founding member of

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the white nationalist group Wolves of Vinland,

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talked of an ongoing war in society that is both

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cultural and physical. Another speaker said the

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Matterbund formations be based on the principles

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that are ethnically exclusive. Can I just add

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a little bit of context? The Wolves of Vinland

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would be a throwback to the original Viking colony

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that came across in like the 1200s from Greenland

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and Iceland because they called the east coast

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of Canada Vinland. So that's what they're thrown

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back to. Okay, well thank you for that insight

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because I had no idea. Yeah, it's weird how much

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lore you need to know for a lot of white supremacy

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and Nazi adjacent things. Well then I don't feel

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so bad for not knowing it. The CAHN video reveals

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the gathering included individuals with long

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-standing ties to the neo -Nazi movement and

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members of white supremacist nationalist group

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Second Sons Canada, an example of an active club

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previously reported on by CBC News. Chelsea,

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I'm just curious. Second Sons, like a child or

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the thing in the sky? The child. Okay. I just

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need to make it clear. I'm not sure because there's

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so much figurativity in their wording and metaphors

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that I never know whether or not they're like

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using straightforward things or like metaphors

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of really good things. Active clubs are white

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supremacist groups that organize combat training

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often in public parks and privately owned gyms.

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You know I'm gonna look at every kind of gym

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suspiciously now. Especially if it has the word

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active in it. Or children in it. Because of the

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sons, right? Any second children. Not that this

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is funny. Quote, I find it extremely alarming

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that there would be any extremist group or, you

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know, fascist fighting club showing up in Vancouver.

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End quote. City Councillor Rebecca Bly told CBC.

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I mean. You guys don't have a great mayor, so

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it's not that surprising. No, we don't have it.

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Well, it's not my mayor. I'm not officially in

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Vancouver. You don't get to vote on it. I'm just

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close by enough for it to kind of affect me.

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I don't know. Quote, any group whose foundational

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premise is violence against others based on race

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or dot dot dot ethnicity is not welcome in Vancouver.

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End quote. I'm not sure what those dot dot dots

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were in there for. It just means there was things

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in the middle, but it didn't impact the exiles.

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I thought they were just taking a pause. Evan

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Balgord, executive director of the Canadian Anti

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-Hate Network, said it was significant that exiles

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were able to bring together so many different

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individuals and groups in a unique event that

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was heavy on philosophy. Quote, the white nationalist

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movement used to be very fragmented and had a

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lot of in -fighting. End quote. Belgord said.

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Requote, the reason that we've been warning about

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the size and the threat of the white nationalist

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movement in Canada right now is because they

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have managed to sort of figure out a unified

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and coherent strategy and they are successfully

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recruiting large numbers of people doing it.

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End quote. Sorry I kept talking while you were

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trying to. No and that's perfect because that

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made a lot of sense because they're saying they

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have a coherent trajectory or plan that they

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want to execute. That makes a lot of sense with

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that quote he gave, where did you hear that?

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Like it sounds like they were discussing philosophy.

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Yeah. at the white nationalist event. They very

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clearly are obfuscating what the actual event

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is about. No, it is on purpose, I would believe.

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Experts say exiles of the golden age is an example

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of a quote, folkish group, philosophy that incorporates

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Germanic or Norse pagan traditions with white

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supremacists and neo -Nazi elements. That might

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have to do with what you were saying about the...

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They weirdly all bring themselves back to Norse

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and pagan. There's not a lot of like people bring

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it back to like i don't know 1800s bordeaux under

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the napoleonic rule weird actually not good imagery

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around that the exiles of the golden age name

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appears in a passage from the lightning and the

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sun a 1958 book by civitry Devi, a notorious

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neo -Nazi writer who espoused a cyclical view

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of history where humanity will once again enter

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a golden age after going through a period of

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darkness and decay. The lightning and the sun

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is dedicated to Adolf Hitler whom Devi describes

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as quote the man against time end quote and the

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godlike individual of our times. An advertisement

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for another conference organized by Exiles last

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year invited all men against time. The group's

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Telegram channel also features pictures of a

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pagan ceremony to mark the changing of the seasons

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that include swastikas. Quote, if you see a swastika

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in the middle of a picture at that point, that's

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Nazism, end quote, said Catherine Tobaldy, a

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post -doctoral researcher at the University of

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Luxembourg who specializes in modern white supremacist

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movements. Quote, many symbols have multiple

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meanings and different interpretations, but some

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of them just become very regimented, very fixed,

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and this is one of them, end quote. In a speech

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at the Vancouver event, a conference organizer

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identified by CAHN and verified by CBC as BC

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-based boxing coach Lane Palmer discussed Indo

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-European first principles. He said those principles

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are ethnically exclusive, both biologically and

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spiritually. He also said we need an ethnic religion.

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Amarnath Amarsingam, an associate professor of

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religion at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario

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and an expert in extremism, said folkish groups

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like the Exiles see a fusion between their religious

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sense and their racial sense. In a statement

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to CBC News, Vancouver's Scottish Cultural Centre,

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where the event was held, said it had been told

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the event was a book release gathering. Quote,

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we do not and would not knowingly rent our venue

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to any group or individual that promotes reprehensible

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ideologies like hate in any form, including white

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supremacist organizations. End quote, said Daryl

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Carrature, the centre's executive Did he actually

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say that or did they just assume it because they

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couldn't really understand what he was saying?

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That could very well be the issue as well. He

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said the center was reviewing its booking policies.

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You might have to sign off on not being a neo

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-nazi now. Do you think they're adding that to

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the questions they ask? How many people do you

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have? Are you a neo -nazi group? The event also

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featured a display of books and a talk from the

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owner of Imperium Press which describes itself

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as an illiberal and folkish press? That's what

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it says. Yeah, that sounds about right. I've

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never heard that. Like the opposite of liberal,

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like hate liberals. The company publishes a number

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of controversial far -right texts including owner

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Mike Maxwell's The Cultured Thug, a guide to

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radical right -wing thought and a book by Martin

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Sellner, a prominent white nationalist activist

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from Austria. In previous reporting on Second

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Sons and active clubs in Canada, I believe we've

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read an article from CBC on that and the rise

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on it? Yeah we have and that's where active clubs

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came from in my mind. CBC News spoke with gym

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owners whose facilities had been used by the

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groups for training. Those gym owners said they

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had no idea of the ideology espoused by the groups

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booking their spaces. Researchers have long warned

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about the infiltration of the martial arts community

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by neo -nazi and white supremacist movements.

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Among the attendees at the exiles event, CAHN

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identified a number of gym owners, and trainers

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who serve a diverse clientele including children.

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CBC's visual investigations team used social

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media profiles, open source information and resources

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such as Darkside and OSINT industries. Searchable

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databases that include information pulled from

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the open web and past data breaches to corroborate

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the findings. Lane Palmer, who was an organizer

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and speaker at the event, was listed as a coach

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at West Shore Boxing Gym at Vancouver Island.

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Soon after CBC reached Palmer, for comment, his

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profile was taken down from the gym's website.

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Reach via text for comment, an owner of the West

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Shore Boxing Gym said they weren't aware of Palmer's

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background and that he is no longer part of the

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gym. Quote, our gym promotes an inclusive and

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respectful environment that welcomes people of

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all backgrounds who respect others in our code

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of conduct, said co -owner Alexandra Strickland.

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There's an end quote in there. Ron Pierce, who

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owns the Marshall Arts Club Foundry Combat Sports

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and Dunkin' in BC was also at the event. Pierce

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hung up on the CBC journalist after being asked

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about his attendance and didn't respond to other

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requests for comments. In a statement posted

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to its Instagram page following a publication

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on Monday, Foundry Combat Sports said, quote,

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participation in the event by any individual

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was personal, peaceful, and fully compliant with

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Canadian law. Sounds like anybody going to that

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gym should probably stop going to that gym. Unless

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you're a neo -Nazi. Oh god, that's bad. Also,

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I don't know if everybody knows this, it's not

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illegal to be a Nazi. Like, that's... Yeah. Ethically,

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it's a little bit... Technically, he's correct.

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No, it is correct. Ethically, though, it's something

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else. I don't think most people would like to...

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I mean, legally, yes, yes, he is right. Quote,

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we unequivocally reject any attempt to link our

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facility, its ownership, or its members with

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hate, extremism, or unlawful conduct. End quote,

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the company said. sounds like they're Nazis too.

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Another attendee was Karl Stornis Bliss. Another

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attendee, you know what this is going on, but

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I think we should be saying this. Another attendee

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was Carl Stornis Bliss, co -owner of strength

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training company Broker Strength Systems. He

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frequently trains out of Mission BJJ, a gym in

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Mission BC that opened in 2023 where he used

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to be an assistant children's coach. We should

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probably end it here. I was just enjoying reading.

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Let's link this article up in the note. Maybe

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we'll post it on Blue Sky as well. But yeah,

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comments I have three big things I want to talk

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about the first is I was surprised about the

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martial arts portion of it just because white

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nationalists and the idea of using combats that

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evolved through centuries or at least were brought

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to us from different cultures seems counterintuitive

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like even That last one, like the one they actually

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got comment from was a Brazilian jujitsu place.

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So that seems really weird. The second thing

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I wanted to mention is I find it very hard to

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believe you don't know as a gym owner that you

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are hosting a white supremacy rally in your confines.

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It's not great. And I just can't really accept

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you didn't know. See, I could see maybe if you

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hired somebody and it's like they're attending

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something, I could see something like that, not

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where you're hosting it. Yeah, no at your gym.

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Yeah, and you're gonna find it really weird when

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you see this group show up to every one of these

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events Yeah, you would know something was off

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wouldn't you even if you're like totally? Turning

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a blind eye to it. You'd know you'd know even

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if they're using coded language Acting nice because

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everybody's around it's still the group you are

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seeing is not going to be representative of Canada

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and then the last thing I just want to mention

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just because there's so much Norse mythology

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nods going on with this it should be pointed

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out Norse people have not always considered themselves

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all Norse people and in fact hated each other

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and their neighbors for a long time to the point

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that until very recently Finns were called China

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Swedes as like a derogatory slur. So just something

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to keep in mind that like even though we think

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about what the whites is group as a thing, it's

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not a real thing because there are always in

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groups within a group and out groups that need

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to be made. It's more so like specific groups

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of Europeans other than white nationalists. If

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you want to find pride in something, give you

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something directed to if you need to direct it

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to something in that way. I mean, it's a super,

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super concerning uprise of it. I think at least

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in the United States and Canada right now. And

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something that I actually... Oh, and the UK too.

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What's his name? Tommy Robinson? Yeah. And I

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guess Europe. But something that has come up

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on my list of episodes to do on a completely

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different kind of topic than this, but I think

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might link back to it somehow. And it might be

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something to do in that episode is Odinism, which

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is some type of like occult Yes, white nationalists

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love ode. Yeah So that's when it said that it's

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on my list because it was linked to actually

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a crime that I've been following Which I can't

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think of it because you're putting me on the

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spot right now I would otherwise be able to tell

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you and it sounded like an intriguing Like it's

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going through like the prison system right now

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really big where in the states So I thought it'd

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be it like it sounded like right up this alley

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for what? ties that you're making without knowing

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much about it and our listeners have 48 hours

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to look this up so I mean all power to them your

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detective skills are put to the test and I guess

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you'll be rewarded when you see the episode and

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if you're renting out your space probably double

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check that they're not neo -nazis yeah I think

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that just goes without saying anyhow bye