From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome
to Journey to the Fringe. Maybe a brain floating
in a vat? Maybe not? I don't know. I'm still
lost, Chelsea. It's been 48 hours. I don't know
what to do with that information. I'm still,
like... uncomfortable lost very uncomfortably
lost in what's going on out there anyhow we're
probably the podcast host taylor and chelsea
but i don't know for sure yeah no we are yeah
okay oh good here today doing a follow -up again
i'm only pretty sure because again we could have
been grown in a vat and this is the first thing
we're experiencing oh no like legitimately at
this point yeah anyhow it's a chelsea episode
so i'm just gonna like existentially dread in
the background Welcome back to part two of Skinny
Bob. If you remember back to last week, we took
a look at what was going on around the time the
videos were leaked in 2011. We watched and analyzed
the first three videos in the leak from Ivan0135.
And so this week, we're going to look at video
four. And we'll talk about our thoughts of the
videos as well as the community's thoughts on
the videos. And we'll have a special surprise
at the end. So here's the fourth and final video,
Taylor, on this YouTube channel. Chelsea, do
you want thoughts on the first videos before
we look at it? No. Okay. You keep those to yourself.
Oh, man. This one is uploaded May 17, 2011. Okay,
that is an awkward title for the video. Family
Vacation. Yeah, Family Vacation. The video track
starts with text paragraphs about historic events
with extraterrestrial visitors and ends with
a shaky recording of aliens walking. That's all
it looks like to me when I watch it. In contrast
to all other videos, this one is in color. No
audio on this one. And the video description...
To be fair, the audio and the other ones were
a clicking sound to make it sound like it was
on a projector. The video description on this
and the words shown in the video are the same.
tape 6 family vacation from the first contact
in 1942 a series of diplomatic visits to discuss
matters of mutual concern were planned under
the treaty 2304 these meetings would take place
in secrecy A limited number of special agents
would escort visitors, and they would only meet
high -ranking officers. Chelsea, before you continue
on, can I just say something? Yeah. This video
is a minute 34. There's only 20 seconds of actual
video. The rest is a scroll PowerPoint presentation,
basically. Sorry, I should have said that. And
it's literally, you can't really make out what's
happening with that video. It's just, they're
walking. That's it. SkinnyBob .info, however,
has different things to say. It is less than
10 seconds because it goes to words again. Okay.
Yeah. According to Document 72E, at the meeting
of 1961, there is an incident involving three
subjects due to the violation of the agreement
by the officers at the military base when they
discovered that their arrival has been filmed
with a hidden device without their consent. Under
the Treaty 2304, the meetings would be confidential
and filming or taking photographs would not be
allowed. After the incident, the treaty was revised.
So that's what it says. Family Vacation. This
clip is the only one in color and therefore presumably
from a later production date and it features
multiple alien beings at once. These beings are
walking alongside a wall and are accompanied
by humans. It's literally just a blip of actual
beings. Majority of the tape is the script. The
name Family Vacation could refer to the aliens
in a sense that they came and visited as a group.
Another possibility is a connection to the infamous
dentist visit of Dwight D. Eisenhower on his
vacation in Palm Springs in February 20th, 1954.
Ah, yes. Infamous dentist visit, you ask? Even
though it seems like you know what we're talking
about, I will tell you. 50 years ago tomorrow,
on February 20th, 1954. 50 years ago, on February
20th, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower interrupted
his vacation in Palm Springs, California. Chelsea.
Yeah. Just so you know, 70 years ago. 70 years
ago, on February 20th, 1954, President Dwight
Eisenhower interrupted his vacation in Palm Springs,
California to make a secret nocturnal trip to
a nearby Air Force base to meet two extraterrestrial
aliens. Or maybe not. Maybe. Or maybe he went
to the dentist. There's some dispute about this.
You're going to like this next sentence. Michael
Sala. who you may remember from such Journey
to the Fringe episodes as Stargates and Michael
Sala Part 1 and 2, postulates that yes, he did
meet with extraterrestrials. And he starts from
the point of it happened and does not set it
up in any way, I guarantee you. To make things
more intriguing, on the night in question, the
Associated Press reported this. President Eisenhower
died tonight of a heart attack in Palm Springs,
end quote. There is a quote on the beginning
of that. This actually happened. Two minutes
later, the AP retracted the bulletin and reported
that Ike was still alive. Here's what happened.
Eisenhower was on a golf vacation in Palm Springs,
February 20th, 1954. After dinner that night,
he made an unscheduled departure from the Smoking
Tree Ranch, where he was staying. The next morning,
he attended a church service in Los Angeles.
Also that morning, his spokesman announced to
the press that Ike had visited a dentist the
previous night because he'd chipped a tooth while
eating a chicken wing at dinner. Salah doesn't
believe it. He figures the dentist trip is just
a cover story. He believes Ike went to Edward's
Air Force base where he met with two ETs with
white hair, pale blue eyes, and colorless lips.
These aliens, nicknamed Nordics in UFO circles
because they resemble Scandinavian humans, which
actually don't look like this at all in these
videos, traveled to Edward from another solar
system in a flying saucer, and Sala says they
spoke to Eisenhower. There was telepathic communication,
says Sala. It's as though you're hearing a person,
but they're not speaking. The Nordics offered
to share their superior technology and their
spiritual wisdom with Ike if he would agree to
eliminate America's nuclear weapons. They were
afraid we might blow up some of our nuclear technology,
Sala says, and apparently that does something
to time and space and it impacts on extraterrestrial
races on their planet. Ike declined the ETs offer,
Sala says, because he did not want to give up
the nukes. Sometime later in 1954, Ike reached
a deal with another race of extraterrestrials
known as the Greys, allowing them to capture
Earthling cattle and humans for medical experiments,
provided that they returned a human safely home.
Since then, Sela says the Greys have kidnapped
millions of humans. So, there's a fun little
aside in these videos. I had no idea that was
the original source of that. I've heard it before.
But it's almost like hearing the Hutchison effect.
And then you actually learn about the person
it comes from and you're like, oh. Yeah, so don't
pay attention to that yet. Not to say where it's
going. Make up your own mind, though. Back to
the aliens. It's hard to tell how many there
are. At least two in the video. And they're accompanied
by at least a couple humans, even though it's
hard to tell from the video if you're not slowing
it down like skinnybob .info. The shakiness of
the video accompanying this text suggests that
it might have been the one secretly recorded
as described. in the video. If so, why wasn't
it immediately destroyed upon discovery? Ivan
is overly specific about the treaty document
designations, which is highly problematic. The
specificity of document 072E doesn't make any
sense and could be a sign of deception. That's
the last video. The saga does go on from there.
Will from Planet Under Attack, which I don't
know what that is, but he claims to have contacted
Ivan or at least someone affiliated with the
videos via email on June 17, 2014 and received
a response two days later. And it starts here.
Secondly, do you happen to know who the copyright
holder is for the Skinny Bob footage? I'm also
wondering who is the original leaker of the footage.
Somebody told me this footage originally came
out through you. Any info would be great, regardless.
Thanks, my friend, Will. You can't have a trademark
on it if it's a real thing, right? Like, we've
learned that. I don't know. My question the whole
time, which might be... We've learned from Corey
Good, which is me guessing now that Corey Good
is the true trademark holder on this. Is that
it can't be a real thing. Like the Blue Avians.
Oh, that's true. Which he admitted in court.
Yeah, I don't know that he was an outsider. But
that was my thing. Like, obviously, do you think
he's profiting from having this on YouTube? Whoever
is the owner of the channel. You know, I didn't
look at how many views they have because I was
watching it in Discord. But, no, not really.
They have 650 ,000 views 14 years ago. That was
my original thought of it. They made some money,
maybe good money back in the day because they
had better royalties back in the day, but not
that much. Yeah, that was my only thought of
it. So it goes on, their response to Will. We
were sent that footage to release from a source,
the same source that sent us It's Blacked Out.
I know it's the original source because the original
version is not available to anyone. That's why
you won't find it anywhere on the internet. We
released the footage using several stock channels
on YouTube and other sites. We did it this way
to make sure the info got out even if our channel,
website, etc. was terminated. Blacked Out redacted,
granted copyright as long as we did not profit
by it. or release the full unedited version as
a complete film only short clips were released
not the full 12 minutes of footage for example
the clip where the alien is sitting down is cropped
the full scene shows him sitting at a table looking
through what looks like star maps government
officials are also seen at the opposite side
of the table in clothes of the time but did not
release that Yeah, it was cropped. Oh. The clothes
it's wearing are explained at the beginning of
the footage too. Full footage shows original
clothing. The jumper and trousers are not the
original clothes. Original clothes were taken
for analysis. Human clothes were provided. Alien
can be seen wearing a dull silver type ski suit
with a utility belt and dull silver footwear.
I'm hoping the source will allow us to release
the full unedited footage at some point, but
I cannot release without permission. In the game,
mutual trust is everything. Hope this helps and
you're welcome. And aside, this exchange is purely
anecdotal and unverifiable. It is the only documented
communication with someone allegedly affiliated
with the source. It also mentions details partly
new and partly suspected or confirmed by careful
analysis. In brackets, sitting alien left cropping
and additional personnel in the room and change
of clothing. In bracket. Someone pointed out
that the claim about SOC channels could never
be confirmed. The first video was mentioned nowhere
else until about two weeks later. The second
one finally gained traction. The early uploads
to other channels were partly of lower bitrate
and without sound, possibly due to ripping, re
-encoding, and re -uploading them from the Ivan0135
channel. The person replying claims the original
footage is 12 minutes long. In previous descriptions,
a total recording duration of 1 ,260 minutes
is mentioned and most of the timestamps exceed
12 minutes. This is a significant discrepancy.
The timestamps being suspiciously and overly
specific, just like the document designations
in the family vacation description, makes us
consider all timing information to be completely
made up. That one is the most controversial of
all of them because it can't be confirmed. Obviously,
it's not from the channel. It's just someone
saying that they talked to him. They didn't even
talk to him. They responded to an email. Yeah,
exactly. In the 1997 documentary Area 51, The
Alien Interview, various scenes with recreations
of Area 51 related UFO lore are remarkably similar
to some of Ivan's clips. where an alien sits
on a chair at a table and interacts with a human
interrogator. It is lit from above, and the whole
scene is black and white to indicate a recording
from the 1950s. We see strange symbols, apparently.
This is probably the one you're thinking of when
we were originally talking on the last episode,
Taylor, that you said, I think I've seen this
before. This is probably the one that you're
thinking of, the Area 51 alien interview. But
there's so many similarities between the two.
We also see strange symbols apparently used as
communication aid. And remember that how to drive
likely includes alien symbols as well. The alien's
health is deteriorating and a physician is called
to examine the patient. Such a contemporary physician
wearing a white coat and white gloves is also
featured in Ivan's autopsy scenes. There is a
short sequence of a military police member filming
the alien using a small handheld camera that
is part of the story behind the family vacation
clip where the aliens were allegedly filmed without
consent. The documentary recreates the meeting
of aliens with humans in front of a wall on Area
51. It's the 1970s now, so this clip is in color.
The similarity to Family Vacation is striking.
The time code format with the letter slash number
preface is identical to the time code embedded
by Ivan. If Ivan's material was hoaxed, this
documentary might have served as an artistic
template. If it's authentic and Ivan's clips
are depicting the reality UFO lore is vaguely
describing, similarities might be inevitable
and coincidental. It's also possible that Ivan's
material is much older and was known to the creators
of the documentary or their advisors. So those
are the videos. Now, in support of this being
authentic, no one has ever confirmed who has
made these videos, and the uploader vanished
after posting these four videos. Believers argue
that the detail in Skinny Bob's face, the blinking,
the expressions, the mouth, it's too realistic
for CGI or puppetry from the era. Many claim
the material is obviously fake, but usually fail
to elaborate for why exactly that is. Others
find it totally authentic and base this claim
on how Bob blinks. We approached the big question
in a more rigorous way by compiling a list of
pros and cons. Highly diverse content, somebody
went to a lot of trouble to create these videos.
No commercial use despite production costs. That
would be using it for like, you know, like the
Blair Witch Project when they released like videos
coming up to release it as like leaked footage
or it never came up in a video game as like a
promotion. Underlying footage essentially is
flawless and quality preventing consensus among
experts and hoaxing techniques. Hoaxer would
have taken an unnecessary risk by showing a potentially
recognizable house in aerial view and irrelevant
yet costly details presented in a barely recognizable
way and not a single unresolved hoax contender
of comparable quality. It is still among UFO
researchers, for the most part looked at as one
of the videos of a gray alien that is yet to
be debunked. In support of a hoax, you can look
at the occasional jerky movements of Skinny Bob,
as I pointed out in one of the videos. The stereotypical
presentation of UFO artifacts with alien symbols.
And the red flags in one of the stories to back
up the alien symbols, which is the Edmonton story,
which I'd love to go into on another episode.
I'm excited for that episode. I know, I know,
right? The extremely short and shaky clips with
signs of intentional eye obfuscation limiting
hoaxing effort. No Provence, no original reels
or verification, just uploaded to YouTube in
2011 by Ivan0135. The lack of supporting evidence,
no other documents, photos, or witnesses came
forward to back it up. Convenient placement of
alien body next to the UFO wreckage looking staged.
Both plot and aesthetic similarities to a documentary
aired 14 years later. Potential overstimation
of production costs. Possible fallacy of mistaking
circumstantial for planned details. By 2011,
CGI software like Maya and After Effects could
absolutely produce the level of realism seen
in the footage, especially with a small team
of skilled artists, though it would have been
highly advanced. Skeptics point out the lack
of Provence, no source film reels, no documentation,
this suspiciously cinematic framing, the fact
that 2011 CGI was already advanced enough to
fake this. Most UFO researchers treat it as an
elaborate hoax, but it remains one of the more
convincing alien fakes because it doesn't look
cartoonish or exaggerated. And as a cheaper alternative,
Skinny Bob might just be a person wearing a costume,
as Nick Pope has suggested. We have a couple
of theories to go along with us. The first theory
is a leak theory. Parts of the footage show a
professional environment, autopsy room, examination
room with standiometer aircraft, suggesting that
it's not a collection of amateur home video clips,
but rather a documentation produced by a government
agency, branch of the military, or corporation.
It could have found its way to the internet by
a whistleblower with legitimate access leaking
it. In this case, cropping and obscuring the
origin might have been done to deflect heat,
prevent people from pinning down the actual source
and causing a stir. Alternatively, it could have
been stolen and leaked by a thief. In this case,
blackmail is a reason to consider for all the
editing. I'm not going to go much further on
the blackmail because I think that it's highly
unlikely. Some person on skinnybob .info pointed
out that the suspicious coincidence that Ivan
posted the first video one month after a foreign
adversary launched a cyber attack on the Pentagon
and stole sensitive data. The RSA breach also
happened around that time. If the videos were
among the files stolen, it is conceivable the
Pentagon itself released the edited clips in
order to control the damage and narrative. The
intention might be that in case the original
footage surfaces, a previous publication in a
lame wrapping inflicts enough damage to the credibility
that further releases have no impact. And then
we have the hoax theory. If the material was
faked, the general consensus is that multiple
people, multiple techniques, and possibly, but
not necessarily, a lot of money was involved.
It was likely for a single person pulling this
off due to the complexity and variety of the
scenes, it would have required a lot of techniques
and estimated to cost at least $80 ,000 in 1990.
With that being said, it did also say there were
a couple of programs that did make it doable
in 2011. Yeah. First off, why are we saying 1990?
And second off, where does that number come from?
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know why we're saying
1990. That would probably be myself. No, I assume
you had to add that from somewhere, but... I
did miss the 1990 in that, but there was a whole
equation in why they thought it was that amount
of money that I took out. So there was some sort
of equation in this. Claims frequently made by
individuals about the clips being easy to reproduce
remain to be demonstrated. There are several
more less plausible reasons for a hoax, which
is demo reel of stupid... So, we're coming to
the end of Skinny Bob. Taylor. And there's a
couple things that I think are pretty important
for wrapping this up. Now that we've watched
and looked at all four videos and we've taken
a look at the reasons for and against kind of
in a roundabout way, I bet you're getting a pretty
clear idea in your mind of what you believe with
these videos. And I don't want you to share those
yet. Oh, good. Is that for just my own after
the episode ends for me to shout out loud? Just
hold on. Just have faith in the process. Before
you share with us what that is, I want you to
ask yourself, is there one person, one person
trustworthy enough to weigh in on this, to really
give an unbiased opinion on the authenticity
of Skinny Bob that would unequivocally give you
a yes or no answer? Do you have someone in mind
that you would... Chelsea, you and I both know
there's only one person with a forehead so large.
that it must be knowledgeable, who can give us
an affirmative answer on this, and that is David
Wilcock. Okay. With that, I want you to... Son
of a bitch. I want you to click on that link
and pretend that you don't see the preview right
here. Oh, okay. Hold on, I should have shared
my fucking screen. Damn it, I did that so wrong.
You hold on watch this I was in a security office
The official that ran that office told me they
had... Oh, my God, that's Richard Doty. ...in
an alien polling area. Oh, sorry, is he supposed
to be anonymous here with those sunglasses? Is
he pretending to be that alien, Skinny Bob? Or
he is not skinny. His hands didn't have any thumbs
just fingers very long fingers and no thumbs
that look to me like there's suction devices
on his fingers when Rick told me there's actually
Since I was a kid Have you seen the skinny Bob
video? Yes, the skinny Bob here that shot in
the 1950s is super famous Is that what they look
like? That's exactly what they look Skinny Bob
is a highly controversial video. It depicts exactly
what a gray alien is supposed to look like in
real life. Many believe this video to be completely
fake, but Rick Doty confirmed it to be real.
First off, how do you seek out Richard Doty for
anything? And not, no, you should not use him
as a confirming source. Well, don't believe me,
you said. Look at this one. I wanted to know,
out of the footage we have out there on the internet,
that's been floating around for years, and some
people say, hey, this is an ET. In your knowledge,
what can you tell us about, let's say, the skinny
Bob footage that's out there? Where do you believe
this came from? This skinny Bob is an actual
video of an ET in a confinement facility out
at Area 51. Do you think he's making it up? Yeah,
this is the first time he's ever seen this video.
He's like, yeah, I'm just going to go with it.
That's right. His environment and that ET's environment.
And I don't recall whether it was the atmosphere
or gravity that he needed something special,
but it was an interview. It was an interview,
the Skinny Bob. It's an actual E .T. Not sure
where it came from. But Chelsea, how can we confirm
this is the same guy from that other video just
showed me confirming that this is what that is
with those sunglasses in there? Yeah, because
just take a look at this one. Is he prepared
for that man interviewing him to slap him? Like
he is a back. I hate him. How does Richard Doty
show up so much? That looks similar to... Let's
let him say his stuff. That is probably the most
accurate that's out there. The skinny bop one.
Yeah, he's the most accurate. Okay. So, I think
that speaks for itself, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah.
It's definitely Richard Doty. Yeah, that was
Richard Doty wearing the skinny bop mask back
in the day. Like, guaranteed. If there's anything
that we found out about Richard Doty saying something
is definitely real, it's definitely because he
did it. I mean, there's the potential that there's
more out there of people who thought Richard
Doty was the right person to ask. And that means
that they legitimately said, huh. I watched this
video. I don't know what to think. I need to
get Richard Doty's opinion. I need to get an
expert. Let's ask Richard Doty. Or this man in
sunglasses who seems to be an expert in the desert.
He's pretty good. I saw him poop outside my window
one. In a bad box. It looked like he had poop.
I told a joke and he screamed at me. So that's
how they laugh. So I was... totally rooting for
skinny bob and i was like if you look at skinny
bob he's one of the videos that is most looked
at as a legitimate very hard to debunk and because
it's so hard to debunk let's take a look at it
let's then i started searching i don't know why
i was struck by the power of googling richard
doughty skinny bob god we need to apparently
google that more with any of our topics As soon
as I saw that first hit, I was like, son of a
bitch. It is fake. It's done as soon as he touches
it. And I don't know why more people don't see
that, but... So, do you want to give your thoughts?
Did I just slap everyone listening in the face
by ending these episodes like that? Oh, man.
So, yeah, I can give these. I guess Richard Doty
just said what I wanted to say in that I guarantee
these are 100 % real because I was there when
they were filming. Yeah. No. I heard a really
interesting interview from somebody who did,
it wasn't in the thing, but they did like puppetry
and things like that in the 1970s and 80s. And
they said, when I am trying to disguise something
to make it look real, I try to give it as little
screen time as possible. And I try to obscure
the parts that are hardest to fake. And when
I'm watching... I love that insight. And when
I'm watching these videos of any of the aliens,
one, they get very little screen time. Two, when
they have screen time, it's not great, like,
right on them. Despite the fact, even with that,
like, family vacation one, it's supposed to be,
like, a nice get -together with other government
officials on the other side of the table. Why
is it so bumpy around? It And they do say that
it's put in after the fact as I could see it
being if you want to hide something, whether
it be that you've taken like you're a whistleblower
or something like that. But you bring up a very
good point. But with all the other ones, the
things in question that are hard to actually
do have very little screen time. Another important
thing is we don't have an opening or an exit
to the video to show why somebody is filming
it or how they're responding or. even like the
more stable screen time. Because you got to assume
if somebody's filming this for a long period
of time, you're going to have a period where
it's at least nicely visible. But there's a lot
of those, like I just said, those characteristics
of we're getting this abruptly cut off on both
ends, obstructing, shaky. So it's hard to make
sure that the thing that you're looking at is
real. Obstructing the view of the hardest things
to recreate and mess with. And with those in
mind, I don't think I need to even do video analysis.
See, here's what I come back to. I know it says
like it's taken from a longer amount. Let's say
it's way less amount than that. Yeah, let's say
it's way less than that. Anybody can say that.
We can still... Anybody can say that. Yeah, I
agree. Maybe it's 50 ,000 minutes of video. I
don't know. I could have said that too. So let's
say that's not. There's still different scenes
that they've put together and gone to a lot of
trouble to film all these different scenes, especially
the one with the UFO and the alien that's dying.
I'm going to say he's close to death on the thing.
That's not it. Nothing's showing the actual scale
of it though. This could be something that's
very small. Nope. That's made to look to scale,
but it's actually something that fits on a desk.
Why go to so much trouble to have some, though
it's, I don't know. I keep going back. Like there's
clearly different videos of it. The question
is how much difficulty is it? That's true. And
I don't know because I've never been in, like
the makeup and cosmetics industry or anything
like that. And I mean, you still see people going
to trouble with that now with content creators.
I know this is 2011. It wasn't as popular back
then to create content. And that's exactly what
this is. No, and we have seen, and this is a
weird time to be looking at this because we have
so much AI now. This is before the AI, so we
don't have to worry about that. Yeah, it's hard
to believe. But people just created shit for
fun back in the day. It's true. That's what they
did. Like this could have taken months and they
just put it onto the internet just to, I mean,
you forget that things like 4chan and stuff like
that existed where things like this were posted.
And I forget the guy's name who used to put like
UFOs. The guy who used to post picture, not post,
like have UFOs on fishing lines. That he would
take pictures of. And like talk about. And like
these are very real. You know that's exactly
who I thought about. Oh that's the cult guy.
That's the German beautiful language. No way.
With one arm. What's his name? Guy with one arm.
German UFO fake. Billy Myers. Because he has
the same name as the Slap Chop guy. The guy who
was against the Slap Chop guy. No I'm thinking
of Billy Mays. Billy Mays. Didn't he smoke crack
or something? Was it the pillow guy? No, no,
you're thinking of a different guy. I have to
look up what Billy Mays did right now so that
we can include this. What a time to be alive.
Okay, you're right. Absolutely, there's people
that this was, yeah, that's what the internet
was for originally. Yeah, oxically. Billy Mays
was oxically. Just ferry around everywhere. You're
right, though. I think he did smoke crack. I
still love OxyClean. No, no, no. You're thinking
of the other guy. You're thinking of the other
guy, MyPillow. The MyPillow guy. MyPillow. MyPillow.
Yeah, everyone knows he smoked crack. But yeah,
2011 was just a beautiful internet time. And
I totally get the dead internet thing because
this 2011 was not dead internet. There was people
fully creating shit out there in 2011. Like it
was just developed enough that people could create
fake shit, but not developed enough that it was
created by robots. Yeah. So, you know, the nail
in the coffin was Richard Doherty. Richard Doherty
for me. Just, like, linearly listening through
the episode, it was Michael Sella. Honestly.
It wasn't going good when we came to Michael
Sella, but then we brought in Richard Doty to
say it was definitely real. And yeah, I think
if you take anything from these episodes, first
off, these are clearly fake videos. Richard Doty
told us in his reverse speaking way. He did.
But take it from people who work in animatronics
and trying to fake things for movies that you
want the thing on screen as short as possible.
You want it distorted in any way you can or shaky
so you don't have to worry about it. And the
parts that are hard to reproduce are shaded in
some way or obscured in some way. Yeah. And you
did point that out in one of the shadows around
the eyes. And if you're trying to do a medical
exam, you would have everything as bright as
possible. Yeah, that's a completely valid point,
especially with the autopsy one. And there's
a lot of stuff you said even around the eyes.
So yeah, I was really happy for this episode.
I understand why you were so happy. When it ends
with a Richard Doty reference three times over.
You know what? I didn't want to be so happy when
I found a Richard Doty connection, but I was.
I really just need to, like, Google or AI look
up, like, what Richard Doty has commented on
and just do those things. Because it would be,
they would be such beautiful episodes. You know
what? They're better as surprises, though. And
I only found it because I looked up Skinny Bob,
Richard Doty, and I don't know why. I don't usually
do that, but I did it. And I was happy to find
out. Just in case. Every now and then, yeah,
I'm like, what did all these people that we've
done asshole episodes on say on this thing? I
was rewarded by it. So yeah, that's my Skinny
Bob episodes. Awesome. Well, I don't know what
to say because we did so much other than I've
been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey
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