WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.419 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.419 --> 00:00:15.800 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:20.500 to Journey to the Fringe. Maybe a brain floating 00:00:20.500 --> 00:00:22.940 in a vat? Maybe not? I don't know. I'm still 00:00:22.940 --> 00:00:27.059 lost, Chelsea. It's been 48 hours. I don't know 00:00:27.059 --> 00:00:28.960 what to do with that information. I'm still, 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.729 like... uncomfortable lost very uncomfortably 00:00:32.729 --> 00:00:37.369 lost in what's going on out there anyhow we're 00:00:37.369 --> 00:00:40.270 probably the podcast host taylor and chelsea 00:00:40.270 --> 00:00:44.229 but i don't know for sure yeah no we are yeah 00:00:44.229 --> 00:00:48.549 okay oh good here today doing a follow -up again 00:00:48.549 --> 00:00:50.770 i'm only pretty sure because again we could have 00:00:50.770 --> 00:00:52.549 been grown in a vat and this is the first thing 00:00:52.549 --> 00:00:55.710 we're experiencing oh no like legitimately at 00:00:55.710 --> 00:00:58.250 this point yeah anyhow it's a chelsea episode 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:00.530 so i'm just gonna like existentially dread in 00:01:00.530 --> 00:01:04.540 the background Welcome back to part two of Skinny 00:01:04.540 --> 00:01:08.159 Bob. If you remember back to last week, we took 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.540 a look at what was going on around the time the 00:01:11.540 --> 00:01:14.859 videos were leaked in 2011. We watched and analyzed 00:01:14.859 --> 00:01:18.959 the first three videos in the leak from Ivan0135. 00:01:19.219 --> 00:01:21.579 And so this week, we're going to look at video 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:24.959 four. And we'll talk about our thoughts of the 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.760 videos as well as the community's thoughts on 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.379 the videos. And we'll have a special surprise 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:34.420 at the end. So here's the fourth and final video, 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.040 Taylor, on this YouTube channel. Chelsea, do 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.260 you want thoughts on the first videos before 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:44.019 we look at it? No. Okay. You keep those to yourself. 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:49.659 Oh, man. This one is uploaded May 17, 2011. Okay, 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.319 that is an awkward title for the video. Family 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:55.319 Vacation. Yeah, Family Vacation. The video track 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.819 starts with text paragraphs about historic events 00:01:58.819 --> 00:02:01.840 with extraterrestrial visitors and ends with 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.799 a shaky recording of aliens walking. That's all 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.580 it looks like to me when I watch it. In contrast 00:02:08.580 --> 00:02:13.000 to all other videos, this one is in color. No 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.240 audio on this one. And the video description... 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.539 To be fair, the audio and the other ones were 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:21.479 a clicking sound to make it sound like it was 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.479 on a projector. The video description on this 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.800 and the words shown in the video are the same. 00:02:28.189 --> 00:02:31.889 tape 6 family vacation from the first contact 00:02:31.889 --> 00:02:35.969 in 1942 a series of diplomatic visits to discuss 00:02:35.969 --> 00:02:38.930 matters of mutual concern were planned under 00:02:38.930 --> 00:02:42.270 the treaty 2304 these meetings would take place 00:02:42.270 --> 00:02:45.439 in secrecy A limited number of special agents 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:48.719 would escort visitors, and they would only meet 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.639 high -ranking officers. Chelsea, before you continue 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.460 on, can I just say something? Yeah. This video 00:02:54.460 --> 00:02:58.819 is a minute 34. There's only 20 seconds of actual 00:02:58.819 --> 00:03:02.800 video. The rest is a scroll PowerPoint presentation, 00:03:02.979 --> 00:03:05.319 basically. Sorry, I should have said that. And 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.000 it's literally, you can't really make out what's 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.520 happening with that video. It's just, they're 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.569 walking. That's it. SkinnyBob .info, however, 00:03:13.710 --> 00:03:16.129 has different things to say. It is less than 00:03:16.129 --> 00:03:19.830 10 seconds because it goes to words again. Okay. 00:03:19.990 --> 00:03:24.729 Yeah. According to Document 72E, at the meeting 00:03:24.729 --> 00:03:28.189 of 1961, there is an incident involving three 00:03:28.189 --> 00:03:31.370 subjects due to the violation of the agreement 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:34.490 by the officers at the military base when they 00:03:34.490 --> 00:03:37.169 discovered that their arrival has been filmed 00:03:37.169 --> 00:03:40.250 with a hidden device without their consent. Under 00:03:40.250 --> 00:03:43.569 the Treaty 2304, the meetings would be confidential 00:03:43.569 --> 00:03:46.729 and filming or taking photographs would not be 00:03:46.729 --> 00:03:49.990 allowed. After the incident, the treaty was revised. 00:03:50.409 --> 00:03:55.389 So that's what it says. Family Vacation. This 00:03:55.389 --> 00:03:58.629 clip is the only one in color and therefore presumably 00:03:58.629 --> 00:04:01.889 from a later production date and it features 00:04:01.889 --> 00:04:05.509 multiple alien beings at once. These beings are 00:04:05.509 --> 00:04:08.090 walking alongside a wall and are accompanied 00:04:08.090 --> 00:04:11.210 by humans. It's literally just a blip of actual 00:04:11.210 --> 00:04:14.189 beings. Majority of the tape is the script. The 00:04:14.189 --> 00:04:17.370 name Family Vacation could refer to the aliens 00:04:17.370 --> 00:04:20.089 in a sense that they came and visited as a group. 00:04:20.209 --> 00:04:22.910 Another possibility is a connection to the infamous 00:04:22.910 --> 00:04:26.649 dentist visit of Dwight D. Eisenhower on his 00:04:26.649 --> 00:04:30.029 vacation in Palm Springs in February 20th, 1954. 00:04:30.449 --> 00:04:34.290 Ah, yes. Infamous dentist visit, you ask? Even 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:36.569 though it seems like you know what we're talking 00:04:36.569 --> 00:04:40.829 about, I will tell you. 50 years ago tomorrow, 00:04:41.209 --> 00:04:46.430 on February 20th, 1954. 50 years ago, on February 00:04:46.430 --> 00:04:50.850 20th, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower interrupted 00:04:50.850 --> 00:04:54.250 his vacation in Palm Springs, California. Chelsea. 00:04:54.430 --> 00:04:58.470 Yeah. Just so you know, 70 years ago. 70 years 00:04:58.470 --> 00:05:03.029 ago, on February 20th, 1954, President Dwight 00:05:03.029 --> 00:05:06.230 Eisenhower interrupted his vacation in Palm Springs, 00:05:06.509 --> 00:05:10.310 California to make a secret nocturnal trip to 00:05:10.310 --> 00:05:13.629 a nearby Air Force base to meet two extraterrestrial 00:05:13.629 --> 00:05:17.670 aliens. Or maybe not. Maybe. Or maybe he went 00:05:17.670 --> 00:05:21.509 to the dentist. There's some dispute about this. 00:05:21.709 --> 00:05:24.490 You're going to like this next sentence. Michael 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:27.689 Sala. who you may remember from such Journey 00:05:27.689 --> 00:05:30.870 to the Fringe episodes as Stargates and Michael 00:05:30.870 --> 00:05:35.029 Sala Part 1 and 2, postulates that yes, he did 00:05:35.029 --> 00:05:38.810 meet with extraterrestrials. And he starts from 00:05:38.810 --> 00:05:42.310 the point of it happened and does not set it 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:45.970 up in any way, I guarantee you. To make things 00:05:45.970 --> 00:05:49.269 more intriguing, on the night in question, the 00:05:49.269 --> 00:05:53.269 Associated Press reported this. President Eisenhower 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:56.230 died tonight of a heart attack in Palm Springs, 00:05:56.370 --> 00:05:58.569 end quote. There is a quote on the beginning 00:05:58.569 --> 00:06:01.189 of that. This actually happened. Two minutes 00:06:01.189 --> 00:06:04.790 later, the AP retracted the bulletin and reported 00:06:04.790 --> 00:06:07.660 that Ike was still alive. Here's what happened. 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:10.839 Eisenhower was on a golf vacation in Palm Springs, 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.180 February 20th, 1954. After dinner that night, 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.100 he made an unscheduled departure from the Smoking 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:20.180 Tree Ranch, where he was staying. The next morning, 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.779 he attended a church service in Los Angeles. 00:06:23.060 --> 00:06:26.120 Also that morning, his spokesman announced to 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.459 the press that Ike had visited a dentist the 00:06:28.459 --> 00:06:30.740 previous night because he'd chipped a tooth while 00:06:30.740 --> 00:06:33.819 eating a chicken wing at dinner. Salah doesn't 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:36.899 believe it. He figures the dentist trip is just 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:40.519 a cover story. He believes Ike went to Edward's 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.079 Air Force base where he met with two ETs with 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.779 white hair, pale blue eyes, and colorless lips. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.139 These aliens, nicknamed Nordics in UFO circles 00:06:51.139 --> 00:06:54.100 because they resemble Scandinavian humans, which 00:06:54.100 --> 00:06:56.420 actually don't look like this at all in these 00:06:56.420 --> 00:06:59.639 videos, traveled to Edward from another solar 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.959 system in a flying saucer, and Sala says they 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.689 spoke to Eisenhower. There was telepathic communication, 00:07:07.250 --> 00:07:10.089 says Sala. It's as though you're hearing a person, 00:07:10.129 --> 00:07:12.870 but they're not speaking. The Nordics offered 00:07:12.870 --> 00:07:15.589 to share their superior technology and their 00:07:15.589 --> 00:07:18.910 spiritual wisdom with Ike if he would agree to 00:07:18.910 --> 00:07:22.439 eliminate America's nuclear weapons. They were 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:25.319 afraid we might blow up some of our nuclear technology, 00:07:25.779 --> 00:07:28.660 Sala says, and apparently that does something 00:07:28.660 --> 00:07:31.819 to time and space and it impacts on extraterrestrial 00:07:31.819 --> 00:07:35.019 races on their planet. Ike declined the ETs offer, 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.839 Sala says, because he did not want to give up 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.560 the nukes. Sometime later in 1954, Ike reached 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.920 a deal with another race of extraterrestrials 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.459 known as the Greys, allowing them to capture 00:07:46.459 --> 00:07:49.339 Earthling cattle and humans for medical experiments, 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.470 provided that they returned a human safely home. 00:07:52.589 --> 00:07:55.089 Since then, Sela says the Greys have kidnapped 00:07:55.089 --> 00:07:58.850 millions of humans. So, there's a fun little 00:07:58.850 --> 00:08:02.329 aside in these videos. I had no idea that was 00:08:02.329 --> 00:08:05.410 the original source of that. I've heard it before. 00:08:05.709 --> 00:08:07.689 But it's almost like hearing the Hutchison effect. 00:08:07.949 --> 00:08:09.910 And then you actually learn about the person 00:08:09.910 --> 00:08:13.560 it comes from and you're like, oh. Yeah, so don't 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.639 pay attention to that yet. Not to say where it's 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.819 going. Make up your own mind, though. Back to 00:08:20.819 --> 00:08:23.459 the aliens. It's hard to tell how many there 00:08:23.459 --> 00:08:26.899 are. At least two in the video. And they're accompanied 00:08:26.899 --> 00:08:29.220 by at least a couple humans, even though it's 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:32.460 hard to tell from the video if you're not slowing 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:35.860 it down like skinnybob .info. The shakiness of 00:08:35.860 --> 00:08:38.379 the video accompanying this text suggests that 00:08:38.379 --> 00:08:40.500 it might have been the one secretly recorded 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:43.669 as described. in the video. If so, why wasn't 00:08:43.669 --> 00:08:46.450 it immediately destroyed upon discovery? Ivan 00:08:46.450 --> 00:08:49.210 is overly specific about the treaty document 00:08:49.210 --> 00:08:52.629 designations, which is highly problematic. The 00:08:52.629 --> 00:08:56.789 specificity of document 072E doesn't make any 00:08:56.789 --> 00:08:59.309 sense and could be a sign of deception. That's 00:08:59.309 --> 00:09:02.830 the last video. The saga does go on from there. 00:09:03.309 --> 00:09:06.450 Will from Planet Under Attack, which I don't 00:09:06.450 --> 00:09:09.230 know what that is, but he claims to have contacted 00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:12.210 Ivan or at least someone affiliated with the 00:09:12.210 --> 00:09:16.470 videos via email on June 17, 2014 and received 00:09:16.470 --> 00:09:19.370 a response two days later. And it starts here. 00:09:19.870 --> 00:09:22.889 Secondly, do you happen to know who the copyright 00:09:22.889 --> 00:09:25.870 holder is for the Skinny Bob footage? I'm also 00:09:25.870 --> 00:09:28.610 wondering who is the original leaker of the footage. 00:09:28.669 --> 00:09:31.190 Somebody told me this footage originally came 00:09:31.190 --> 00:09:34.399 out through you. Any info would be great, regardless. 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.480 Thanks, my friend, Will. You can't have a trademark 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:40.899 on it if it's a real thing, right? Like, we've 00:09:40.899 --> 00:09:44.039 learned that. I don't know. My question the whole 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.799 time, which might be... We've learned from Corey 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:49.039 Good, which is me guessing now that Corey Good 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.320 is the true trademark holder on this. Is that 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.740 it can't be a real thing. Like the Blue Avians. 00:09:55.740 --> 00:09:57.500 Oh, that's true. Which he admitted in court. 00:09:57.860 --> 00:10:00.159 Yeah, I don't know that he was an outsider. But 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.179 that was my thing. Like, obviously, do you think 00:10:04.179 --> 00:10:07.419 he's profiting from having this on YouTube? Whoever 00:10:07.419 --> 00:10:10.139 is the owner of the channel. You know, I didn't 00:10:10.139 --> 00:10:12.019 look at how many views they have because I was 00:10:12.019 --> 00:10:15.379 watching it in Discord. But, no, not really. 00:10:15.909 --> 00:10:18.789 They have 650 ,000 views 14 years ago. That was 00:10:18.789 --> 00:10:21.690 my original thought of it. They made some money, 00:10:21.870 --> 00:10:24.309 maybe good money back in the day because they 00:10:24.309 --> 00:10:26.730 had better royalties back in the day, but not 00:10:26.730 --> 00:10:28.730 that much. Yeah, that was my only thought of 00:10:28.730 --> 00:10:32.169 it. So it goes on, their response to Will. We 00:10:32.169 --> 00:10:34.669 were sent that footage to release from a source, 00:10:34.769 --> 00:10:37.090 the same source that sent us It's Blacked Out. 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.970 I know it's the original source because the original 00:10:39.970 --> 00:10:43.070 version is not available to anyone. That's why 00:10:43.070 --> 00:10:45.509 you won't find it anywhere on the internet. We 00:10:45.509 --> 00:10:48.210 released the footage using several stock channels 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:51.250 on YouTube and other sites. We did it this way 00:10:51.250 --> 00:10:54.029 to make sure the info got out even if our channel, 00:10:54.110 --> 00:10:58.110 website, etc. was terminated. Blacked Out redacted, 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:00.870 granted copyright as long as we did not profit 00:11:00.870 --> 00:11:03.769 by it. or release the full unedited version as 00:11:03.769 --> 00:11:06.450 a complete film only short clips were released 00:11:06.450 --> 00:11:09.769 not the full 12 minutes of footage for example 00:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.129 the clip where the alien is sitting down is cropped 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:15.909 the full scene shows him sitting at a table looking 00:11:15.909 --> 00:11:18.269 through what looks like star maps government 00:11:18.269 --> 00:11:20.769 officials are also seen at the opposite side 00:11:20.769 --> 00:11:23.710 of the table in clothes of the time but did not 00:11:23.710 --> 00:11:27.779 release that Yeah, it was cropped. Oh. The clothes 00:11:27.779 --> 00:11:30.080 it's wearing are explained at the beginning of 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.080 the footage too. Full footage shows original 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.799 clothing. The jumper and trousers are not the 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.059 original clothes. Original clothes were taken 00:11:38.059 --> 00:11:41.200 for analysis. Human clothes were provided. Alien 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.820 can be seen wearing a dull silver type ski suit 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:47.620 with a utility belt and dull silver footwear. 00:11:47.820 --> 00:11:50.240 I'm hoping the source will allow us to release 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.759 the full unedited footage at some point, but 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.549 I cannot release without permission. In the game, 00:11:55.690 --> 00:11:58.629 mutual trust is everything. Hope this helps and 00:11:58.629 --> 00:12:02.570 you're welcome. And aside, this exchange is purely 00:12:02.570 --> 00:12:06.330 anecdotal and unverifiable. It is the only documented 00:12:06.330 --> 00:12:09.129 communication with someone allegedly affiliated 00:12:09.129 --> 00:12:12.889 with the source. It also mentions details partly 00:12:12.889 --> 00:12:15.610 new and partly suspected or confirmed by careful 00:12:15.610 --> 00:12:19.549 analysis. In brackets, sitting alien left cropping 00:12:19.549 --> 00:12:21.889 and additional personnel in the room and change 00:12:21.889 --> 00:12:25.059 of clothing. In bracket. Someone pointed out 00:12:25.059 --> 00:12:27.720 that the claim about SOC channels could never 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.799 be confirmed. The first video was mentioned nowhere 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.759 else until about two weeks later. The second 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.700 one finally gained traction. The early uploads 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:39.980 to other channels were partly of lower bitrate 00:12:39.980 --> 00:12:43.360 and without sound, possibly due to ripping, re 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.200 -encoding, and re -uploading them from the Ivan0135 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.259 channel. The person replying claims the original 00:12:51.259 --> 00:12:54.519 footage is 12 minutes long. In previous descriptions, 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.759 a total recording duration of 1 ,260 minutes 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.519 is mentioned and most of the timestamps exceed 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.899 12 minutes. This is a significant discrepancy. 00:13:04.940 --> 00:13:07.840 The timestamps being suspiciously and overly 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.879 specific, just like the document designations 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.240 in the family vacation description, makes us 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.600 consider all timing information to be completely 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:21.320 made up. That one is the most controversial of 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.659 all of them because it can't be confirmed. Obviously, 00:13:23.659 --> 00:13:25.700 it's not from the channel. It's just someone 00:13:25.700 --> 00:13:28.309 saying that they talked to him. They didn't even 00:13:28.309 --> 00:13:31.370 talk to him. They responded to an email. Yeah, 00:13:31.409 --> 00:13:36.549 exactly. In the 1997 documentary Area 51, The 00:13:36.549 --> 00:13:39.970 Alien Interview, various scenes with recreations 00:13:39.970 --> 00:13:44.309 of Area 51 related UFO lore are remarkably similar 00:13:44.309 --> 00:13:48.539 to some of Ivan's clips. where an alien sits 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:51.360 on a chair at a table and interacts with a human 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.220 interrogator. It is lit from above, and the whole 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:56.559 scene is black and white to indicate a recording 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.220 from the 1950s. We see strange symbols, apparently. 00:14:00.539 --> 00:14:03.480 This is probably the one you're thinking of when 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.720 we were originally talking on the last episode, 00:14:05.860 --> 00:14:08.000 Taylor, that you said, I think I've seen this 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.059 before. This is probably the one that you're 00:14:10.059 --> 00:14:13.370 thinking of, the Area 51 alien interview. But 00:14:13.370 --> 00:14:16.529 there's so many similarities between the two. 00:14:16.649 --> 00:14:19.850 We also see strange symbols apparently used as 00:14:19.850 --> 00:14:22.970 communication aid. And remember that how to drive 00:14:22.970 --> 00:14:26.799 likely includes alien symbols as well. The alien's 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.960 health is deteriorating and a physician is called 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:33.039 to examine the patient. Such a contemporary physician 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.600 wearing a white coat and white gloves is also 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.179 featured in Ivan's autopsy scenes. There is a 00:14:39.179 --> 00:14:42.220 short sequence of a military police member filming 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:45.519 the alien using a small handheld camera that 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.679 is part of the story behind the family vacation 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.559 clip where the aliens were allegedly filmed without 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.730 consent. The documentary recreates the meeting 00:14:53.730 --> 00:14:56.629 of aliens with humans in front of a wall on Area 00:14:56.629 --> 00:15:00.970 51. It's the 1970s now, so this clip is in color. 00:15:01.070 --> 00:15:04.070 The similarity to Family Vacation is striking. 00:15:04.429 --> 00:15:08.230 The time code format with the letter slash number 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:11.389 preface is identical to the time code embedded 00:15:11.389 --> 00:15:15.179 by Ivan. If Ivan's material was hoaxed, this 00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:17.759 documentary might have served as an artistic 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.740 template. If it's authentic and Ivan's clips 00:15:20.740 --> 00:15:24.700 are depicting the reality UFO lore is vaguely 00:15:24.700 --> 00:15:27.480 describing, similarities might be inevitable 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.059 and coincidental. It's also possible that Ivan's 00:15:31.059 --> 00:15:34.179 material is much older and was known to the creators 00:15:34.179 --> 00:15:37.620 of the documentary or their advisors. So those 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:41.080 are the videos. Now, in support of this being 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.539 authentic, no one has ever confirmed who has 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:48.779 made these videos, and the uploader vanished 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:53.059 after posting these four videos. Believers argue 00:15:53.059 --> 00:15:56.919 that the detail in Skinny Bob's face, the blinking, 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:01.120 the expressions, the mouth, it's too realistic 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:06.279 for CGI or puppetry from the era. Many claim 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:10.620 the material is obviously fake, but usually fail 00:16:10.620 --> 00:16:14.559 to elaborate for why exactly that is. Others 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.720 find it totally authentic and base this claim 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.259 on how Bob blinks. We approached the big question 00:16:21.259 --> 00:16:24.519 in a more rigorous way by compiling a list of 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:27.960 pros and cons. Highly diverse content, somebody 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.080 went to a lot of trouble to create these videos. 00:16:31.769 --> 00:16:35.409 No commercial use despite production costs. That 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:38.269 would be using it for like, you know, like the 00:16:38.269 --> 00:16:41.190 Blair Witch Project when they released like videos 00:16:41.190 --> 00:16:43.929 coming up to release it as like leaked footage 00:16:43.929 --> 00:16:47.590 or it never came up in a video game as like a 00:16:47.590 --> 00:16:51.070 promotion. Underlying footage essentially is 00:16:51.070 --> 00:16:55.029 flawless and quality preventing consensus among 00:16:55.029 --> 00:16:58.779 experts and hoaxing techniques. Hoaxer would 00:16:58.779 --> 00:17:02.139 have taken an unnecessary risk by showing a potentially 00:17:02.139 --> 00:17:06.079 recognizable house in aerial view and irrelevant 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.759 yet costly details presented in a barely recognizable 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:14.039 way and not a single unresolved hoax contender 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.380 of comparable quality. It is still among UFO 00:17:18.380 --> 00:17:22.619 researchers, for the most part looked at as one 00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:28.220 of the videos of a gray alien that is yet to 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:32.460 be debunked. In support of a hoax, you can look 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:35.400 at the occasional jerky movements of Skinny Bob, 00:17:35.539 --> 00:17:39.180 as I pointed out in one of the videos. The stereotypical 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:42.859 presentation of UFO artifacts with alien symbols. 00:17:43.750 --> 00:17:47.490 And the red flags in one of the stories to back 00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:51.049 up the alien symbols, which is the Edmonton story, 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:53.390 which I'd love to go into on another episode. 00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:56.029 I'm excited for that episode. I know, I know, 00:17:56.069 --> 00:18:00.019 right? The extremely short and shaky clips with 00:18:00.019 --> 00:18:03.420 signs of intentional eye obfuscation limiting 00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:07.160 hoaxing effort. No Provence, no original reels 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.059 or verification, just uploaded to YouTube in 00:18:10.059 --> 00:18:14.660 2011 by Ivan0135. The lack of supporting evidence, 00:18:14.900 --> 00:18:17.900 no other documents, photos, or witnesses came 00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:21.119 forward to back it up. Convenient placement of 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.960 alien body next to the UFO wreckage looking staged. 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.279 Both plot and aesthetic similarities to a documentary 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.460 aired 14 years later. Potential overstimation 00:18:33.460 --> 00:18:37.420 of production costs. Possible fallacy of mistaking 00:18:37.420 --> 00:18:41.569 circumstantial for planned details. By 2011, 00:18:41.990 --> 00:18:45.390 CGI software like Maya and After Effects could 00:18:45.390 --> 00:18:48.390 absolutely produce the level of realism seen 00:18:48.390 --> 00:18:50.829 in the footage, especially with a small team 00:18:50.829 --> 00:18:53.269 of skilled artists, though it would have been 00:18:53.269 --> 00:18:56.130 highly advanced. Skeptics point out the lack 00:18:56.130 --> 00:18:59.309 of Provence, no source film reels, no documentation, 00:18:59.809 --> 00:19:03.190 this suspiciously cinematic framing, the fact 00:19:03.190 --> 00:19:06.690 that 2011 CGI was already advanced enough to 00:19:06.690 --> 00:19:10.279 fake this. Most UFO researchers treat it as an 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.920 elaborate hoax, but it remains one of the more 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.759 convincing alien fakes because it doesn't look 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.359 cartoonish or exaggerated. And as a cheaper alternative, 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:23.299 Skinny Bob might just be a person wearing a costume, 00:19:23.420 --> 00:19:27.380 as Nick Pope has suggested. We have a couple 00:19:27.380 --> 00:19:29.920 of theories to go along with us. The first theory 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.920 is a leak theory. Parts of the footage show a 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.099 professional environment, autopsy room, examination 00:19:36.099 --> 00:19:40.579 room with standiometer aircraft, suggesting that 00:19:40.579 --> 00:19:43.460 it's not a collection of amateur home video clips, 00:19:43.579 --> 00:19:46.240 but rather a documentation produced by a government 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:49.119 agency, branch of the military, or corporation. 00:19:49.460 --> 00:19:52.119 It could have found its way to the internet by 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.799 a whistleblower with legitimate access leaking 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:58.059 it. In this case, cropping and obscuring the 00:19:58.059 --> 00:20:00.299 origin might have been done to deflect heat, 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:02.920 prevent people from pinning down the actual source 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.920 and causing a stir. Alternatively, it could have 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:08.880 been stolen and leaked by a thief. In this case, 00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:11.619 blackmail is a reason to consider for all the 00:20:11.619 --> 00:20:13.980 editing. I'm not going to go much further on 00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:16.180 the blackmail because I think that it's highly 00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:19.619 unlikely. Some person on skinnybob .info pointed 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:22.200 out that the suspicious coincidence that Ivan 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.259 posted the first video one month after a foreign 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:28.259 adversary launched a cyber attack on the Pentagon 00:20:28.259 --> 00:20:31.829 and stole sensitive data. The RSA breach also 00:20:31.829 --> 00:20:34.430 happened around that time. If the videos were 00:20:34.430 --> 00:20:37.369 among the files stolen, it is conceivable the 00:20:37.369 --> 00:20:39.930 Pentagon itself released the edited clips in 00:20:39.930 --> 00:20:42.390 order to control the damage and narrative. The 00:20:42.390 --> 00:20:45.029 intention might be that in case the original 00:20:45.029 --> 00:20:48.410 footage surfaces, a previous publication in a 00:20:48.410 --> 00:20:51.430 lame wrapping inflicts enough damage to the credibility 00:20:51.430 --> 00:20:54.329 that further releases have no impact. And then 00:20:54.329 --> 00:20:56.890 we have the hoax theory. If the material was 00:20:56.890 --> 00:20:59.720 faked, the general consensus is that multiple 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.140 people, multiple techniques, and possibly, but 00:21:03.140 --> 00:21:05.519 not necessarily, a lot of money was involved. 00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:08.319 It was likely for a single person pulling this 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.900 off due to the complexity and variety of the 00:21:10.900 --> 00:21:13.380 scenes, it would have required a lot of techniques 00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:17.059 and estimated to cost at least $80 ,000 in 1990. 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:19.920 With that being said, it did also say there were 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.640 a couple of programs that did make it doable 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.059 in 2011. Yeah. First off, why are we saying 1990? 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.819 And second off, where does that number come from? 00:21:29.419 --> 00:21:31.559 I don't know. Yeah. I don't know why we're saying 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:35.480 1990. That would probably be myself. No, I assume 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:37.900 you had to add that from somewhere, but... I 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:41.119 did miss the 1990 in that, but there was a whole 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.539 equation in why they thought it was that amount 00:21:43.539 --> 00:21:46.819 of money that I took out. So there was some sort 00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:50.259 of equation in this. Claims frequently made by 00:21:50.259 --> 00:21:52.960 individuals about the clips being easy to reproduce 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.720 remain to be demonstrated. There are several 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.319 more less plausible reasons for a hoax, which 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:17.390 is demo reel of stupid... So, we're coming to 00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:21.930 the end of Skinny Bob. Taylor. And there's a 00:22:21.930 --> 00:22:24.549 couple things that I think are pretty important 00:22:24.549 --> 00:22:28.250 for wrapping this up. Now that we've watched 00:22:28.250 --> 00:22:30.609 and looked at all four videos and we've taken 00:22:30.609 --> 00:22:33.529 a look at the reasons for and against kind of 00:22:33.529 --> 00:22:36.470 in a roundabout way, I bet you're getting a pretty 00:22:36.470 --> 00:22:40.089 clear idea in your mind of what you believe with 00:22:40.089 --> 00:22:42.529 these videos. And I don't want you to share those 00:22:42.529 --> 00:22:45.630 yet. Oh, good. Is that for just my own after 00:22:45.630 --> 00:22:48.309 the episode ends for me to shout out loud? Just 00:22:48.309 --> 00:22:52.170 hold on. Just have faith in the process. Before 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:54.710 you share with us what that is, I want you to 00:22:54.710 --> 00:22:59.269 ask yourself, is there one person, one person 00:22:59.269 --> 00:23:03.170 trustworthy enough to weigh in on this, to really 00:23:03.170 --> 00:23:06.130 give an unbiased opinion on the authenticity 00:23:06.130 --> 00:23:09.869 of Skinny Bob that would unequivocally give you 00:23:09.869 --> 00:23:12.750 a yes or no answer? Do you have someone in mind 00:23:12.750 --> 00:23:14.670 that you would... Chelsea, you and I both know 00:23:14.670 --> 00:23:17.529 there's only one person with a forehead so large. 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:21.130 that it must be knowledgeable, who can give us 00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:24.369 an affirmative answer on this, and that is David 00:23:24.369 --> 00:23:28.009 Wilcock. Okay. With that, I want you to... Son 00:23:28.009 --> 00:23:32.730 of a bitch. I want you to click on that link 00:23:32.730 --> 00:23:34.990 and pretend that you don't see the preview right 00:23:34.990 --> 00:23:42.369 here. Oh, okay. Hold on, I should have shared 00:23:42.369 --> 00:23:44.849 my fucking screen. Damn it, I did that so wrong. 00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:58.579 You hold on watch this I was in a security office 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.640 The official that ran that office told me they 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.000 had... Oh, my God, that's Richard Doty. ...in 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.779 an alien polling area. Oh, sorry, is he supposed 00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:09.480 to be anonymous here with those sunglasses? Is 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:13.720 he pretending to be that alien, Skinny Bob? Or 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:20.220 he is not skinny. His hands didn't have any thumbs 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:23.059 just fingers very long fingers and no thumbs 00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:25.180 that look to me like there's suction devices 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:27.759 on his fingers when Rick told me there's actually 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:36.460 Since I was a kid Have you seen the skinny Bob 00:24:36.460 --> 00:24:39.819 video? Yes, the skinny Bob here that shot in 00:24:39.819 --> 00:24:43.599 the 1950s is super famous Is that what they look 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.480 like? That's exactly what they look Skinny Bob 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:50.039 is a highly controversial video. It depicts exactly 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.079 what a gray alien is supposed to look like in 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.660 real life. Many believe this video to be completely 00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:57.480 fake, but Rick Doty confirmed it to be real. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:09.319 First off, how do you seek out Richard Doty for 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:13.299 anything? And not, no, you should not use him 00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:16.039 as a confirming source. Well, don't believe me, 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.079 you said. Look at this one. I wanted to know, 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:22.519 out of the footage we have out there on the internet, 00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:25.420 that's been floating around for years, and some 00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:28.559 people say, hey, this is an ET. In your knowledge, 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.039 what can you tell us about, let's say, the skinny 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.539 Bob footage that's out there? Where do you believe 00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:40.359 this came from? This skinny Bob is an actual 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:44.720 video of an ET in a confinement facility out 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:49.140 at Area 51. Do you think he's making it up? Yeah, 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.240 this is the first time he's ever seen this video. 00:25:52.579 --> 00:25:54.859 He's like, yeah, I'm just going to go with it. 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:58.240 That's right. His environment and that ET's environment. 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.579 And I don't recall whether it was the atmosphere 00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:05.319 or gravity that he needed something special, 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.690 but it was an interview. It was an interview, 00:26:08.869 --> 00:26:16.269 the Skinny Bob. It's an actual E .T. Not sure 00:26:16.269 --> 00:26:21.230 where it came from. But Chelsea, how can we confirm 00:26:21.230 --> 00:26:23.329 this is the same guy from that other video just 00:26:23.329 --> 00:26:26.130 showed me confirming that this is what that is 00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:30.670 with those sunglasses in there? Yeah, because 00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:52.359 just take a look at this one. Is he prepared 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.660 for that man interviewing him to slap him? Like 00:26:55.660 --> 00:27:05.640 he is a back. I hate him. How does Richard Doty 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:12.859 show up so much? That looks similar to... Let's 00:27:12.859 --> 00:27:15.619 let him say his stuff. That is probably the most 00:27:15.619 --> 00:27:17.900 accurate that's out there. The skinny bop one. 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:24.140 Yeah, he's the most accurate. Okay. So, I think 00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:28.920 that speaks for itself, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.299 It's definitely Richard Doty. Yeah, that was 00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.299 Richard Doty wearing the skinny bop mask back 00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:39.049 in the day. Like, guaranteed. If there's anything 00:27:39.049 --> 00:27:41.869 that we found out about Richard Doty saying something 00:27:41.869 --> 00:27:44.369 is definitely real, it's definitely because he 00:27:44.369 --> 00:27:52.890 did it. I mean, there's the potential that there's 00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:55.410 more out there of people who thought Richard 00:27:55.410 --> 00:27:58.589 Doty was the right person to ask. And that means 00:27:58.589 --> 00:28:01.460 that they legitimately said, huh. I watched this 00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:03.799 video. I don't know what to think. I need to 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.460 get Richard Doty's opinion. I need to get an 00:28:06.460 --> 00:28:09.720 expert. Let's ask Richard Doty. Or this man in 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.839 sunglasses who seems to be an expert in the desert. 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.140 He's pretty good. I saw him poop outside my window 00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:21.799 one. In a bad box. It looked like he had poop. 00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:25.819 I told a joke and he screamed at me. So that's 00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:29.789 how they laugh. So I was... totally rooting for 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:32.930 skinny bob and i was like if you look at skinny 00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:36.829 bob he's one of the videos that is most looked 00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:40.589 at as a legitimate very hard to debunk and because 00:28:40.589 --> 00:28:42.990 it's so hard to debunk let's take a look at it 00:28:42.990 --> 00:28:46.470 let's then i started searching i don't know why 00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:49.670 i was struck by the power of googling richard 00:28:49.670 --> 00:28:53.970 doughty skinny bob god we need to apparently 00:28:53.970 --> 00:28:58.359 google that more with any of our topics As soon 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.400 as I saw that first hit, I was like, son of a 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.960 bitch. It is fake. It's done as soon as he touches 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.380 it. And I don't know why more people don't see 00:29:08.380 --> 00:29:11.579 that, but... So, do you want to give your thoughts? 00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:20.140 Did I just slap everyone listening in the face 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:24.480 by ending these episodes like that? Oh, man. 00:29:24.619 --> 00:29:29.559 So, yeah, I can give these. I guess Richard Doty 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.059 just said what I wanted to say in that I guarantee 00:29:32.059 --> 00:29:35.019 these are 100 % real because I was there when 00:29:35.019 --> 00:29:40.079 they were filming. Yeah. No. I heard a really 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.839 interesting interview from somebody who did, 00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:45.799 it wasn't in the thing, but they did like puppetry 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.319 and things like that in the 1970s and 80s. And 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.680 they said, when I am trying to disguise something 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.819 to make it look real, I try to give it as little 00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:59.019 screen time as possible. And I try to obscure 00:29:59.019 --> 00:30:03.579 the parts that are hardest to fake. And when 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:06.319 I'm watching... I love that insight. And when 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.180 I'm watching these videos of any of the aliens, 00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:13.579 one, they get very little screen time. Two, when 00:30:13.579 --> 00:30:16.339 they have screen time, it's not great, like, 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.019 right on them. Despite the fact, even with that, 00:30:19.059 --> 00:30:21.200 like, family vacation one, it's supposed to be, 00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:24.160 like, a nice get -together with other government 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.579 officials on the other side of the table. Why 00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:29.589 is it so bumpy around? It And they do say that 00:30:29.589 --> 00:30:32.490 it's put in after the fact as I could see it 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:35.569 being if you want to hide something, whether 00:30:35.569 --> 00:30:39.049 it be that you've taken like you're a whistleblower 00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:41.269 or something like that. But you bring up a very 00:30:41.269 --> 00:30:44.450 good point. But with all the other ones, the 00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:46.950 things in question that are hard to actually 00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:49.710 do have very little screen time. Another important 00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:52.589 thing is we don't have an opening or an exit 00:30:52.589 --> 00:30:55.569 to the video to show why somebody is filming 00:30:55.569 --> 00:30:58.500 it or how they're responding or. even like the 00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:01.500 more stable screen time. Because you got to assume 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.160 if somebody's filming this for a long period 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.799 of time, you're going to have a period where 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.400 it's at least nicely visible. But there's a lot 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.279 of those, like I just said, those characteristics 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:15.480 of we're getting this abruptly cut off on both 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.660 ends, obstructing, shaky. So it's hard to make 00:31:19.660 --> 00:31:21.500 sure that the thing that you're looking at is 00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:24.460 real. Obstructing the view of the hardest things 00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:28.440 to recreate and mess with. And with those in 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.660 mind, I don't think I need to even do video analysis. 00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:34.359 See, here's what I come back to. I know it says 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.089 like it's taken from a longer amount. Let's say 00:31:37.089 --> 00:31:40.289 it's way less amount than that. Yeah, let's say 00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:41.549 it's way less than that. Anybody can say that. 00:31:41.710 --> 00:31:45.029 We can still... Anybody can say that. Yeah, I 00:31:45.029 --> 00:31:48.210 agree. Maybe it's 50 ,000 minutes of video. I 00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:51.150 don't know. I could have said that too. So let's 00:31:51.150 --> 00:31:54.549 say that's not. There's still different scenes 00:31:54.549 --> 00:31:57.289 that they've put together and gone to a lot of 00:31:57.289 --> 00:32:00.970 trouble to film all these different scenes, especially 00:32:00.970 --> 00:32:04.450 the one with the UFO and the alien that's dying. 00:32:04.910 --> 00:32:07.410 I'm going to say he's close to death on the thing. 00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:10.650 That's not it. Nothing's showing the actual scale 00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:13.109 of it though. This could be something that's 00:32:13.109 --> 00:32:16.710 very small. Nope. That's made to look to scale, 00:32:16.809 --> 00:32:19.089 but it's actually something that fits on a desk. 00:32:19.250 --> 00:32:22.150 Why go to so much trouble to have some, though 00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:24.950 it's, I don't know. I keep going back. Like there's 00:32:24.950 --> 00:32:28.250 clearly different videos of it. The question 00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:32.069 is how much difficulty is it? That's true. And 00:32:32.069 --> 00:32:34.299 I don't know because I've never been in, like 00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:36.859 the makeup and cosmetics industry or anything 00:32:36.859 --> 00:32:38.740 like that. And I mean, you still see people going 00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:41.579 to trouble with that now with content creators. 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.599 I know this is 2011. It wasn't as popular back 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.359 then to create content. And that's exactly what 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.400 this is. No, and we have seen, and this is a 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:54.980 weird time to be looking at this because we have 00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:57.859 so much AI now. This is before the AI, so we 00:32:57.859 --> 00:32:59.339 don't have to worry about that. Yeah, it's hard 00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:03.390 to believe. But people just created shit for 00:33:03.390 --> 00:33:05.930 fun back in the day. It's true. That's what they 00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:08.710 did. Like this could have taken months and they 00:33:08.710 --> 00:33:11.809 just put it onto the internet just to, I mean, 00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:14.549 you forget that things like 4chan and stuff like 00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:17.750 that existed where things like this were posted. 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:19.589 And I forget the guy's name who used to put like 00:33:19.589 --> 00:33:23.369 UFOs. The guy who used to post picture, not post, 00:33:23.509 --> 00:33:27.440 like have UFOs on fishing lines. That he would 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.140 take pictures of. And like talk about. And like 00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:32.279 these are very real. You know that's exactly 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.599 who I thought about. Oh that's the cult guy. 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.460 That's the German beautiful language. No way. 00:33:37.779 --> 00:33:43.359 With one arm. What's his name? Guy with one arm. 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:48.099 German UFO fake. Billy Myers. Because he has 00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:51.339 the same name as the Slap Chop guy. The guy who 00:33:51.339 --> 00:33:53.339 was against the Slap Chop guy. No I'm thinking 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:58.509 of Billy Mays. Billy Mays. Didn't he smoke crack 00:33:58.509 --> 00:34:00.230 or something? Was it the pillow guy? No, no, 00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:01.869 you're thinking of a different guy. I have to 00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:04.150 look up what Billy Mays did right now so that 00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:06.869 we can include this. What a time to be alive. 00:34:07.589 --> 00:34:11.110 Okay, you're right. Absolutely, there's people 00:34:11.110 --> 00:34:14.250 that this was, yeah, that's what the internet 00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:16.269 was for originally. Yeah, oxically. Billy Mays 00:34:16.269 --> 00:34:22.349 was oxically. Just ferry around everywhere. You're 00:34:22.349 --> 00:34:23.789 right, though. I think he did smoke crack. I 00:34:23.789 --> 00:34:25.730 still love OxyClean. No, no, no. You're thinking 00:34:25.730 --> 00:34:26.949 of the other guy. You're thinking of the other 00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:30.389 guy, MyPillow. The MyPillow guy. MyPillow. MyPillow. 00:34:30.610 --> 00:34:34.840 Yeah, everyone knows he smoked crack. But yeah, 00:34:34.900 --> 00:34:38.179 2011 was just a beautiful internet time. And 00:34:38.179 --> 00:34:40.659 I totally get the dead internet thing because 00:34:40.659 --> 00:34:44.099 this 2011 was not dead internet. There was people 00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:47.400 fully creating shit out there in 2011. Like it 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.960 was just developed enough that people could create 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.980 fake shit, but not developed enough that it was 00:34:53.980 --> 00:34:58.019 created by robots. Yeah. So, you know, the nail 00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.199 in the coffin was Richard Doherty. Richard Doherty 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.309 for me. Just, like, linearly listening through 00:35:05.309 --> 00:35:07.710 the episode, it was Michael Sella. Honestly. 00:35:08.750 --> 00:35:12.849 It wasn't going good when we came to Michael 00:35:12.849 --> 00:35:15.949 Sella, but then we brought in Richard Doty to 00:35:15.949 --> 00:35:17.269 say it was definitely real. And yeah, I think 00:35:17.269 --> 00:35:19.829 if you take anything from these episodes, first 00:35:19.829 --> 00:35:22.429 off, these are clearly fake videos. Richard Doty 00:35:22.429 --> 00:35:26.519 told us in his reverse speaking way. He did. 00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.840 But take it from people who work in animatronics 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.300 and trying to fake things for movies that you 00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:36.420 want the thing on screen as short as possible. 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:39.440 You want it distorted in any way you can or shaky 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.800 so you don't have to worry about it. And the 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.860 parts that are hard to reproduce are shaded in 00:35:44.860 --> 00:35:47.619 some way or obscured in some way. Yeah. And you 00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:50.420 did point that out in one of the shadows around 00:35:50.420 --> 00:35:52.340 the eyes. And if you're trying to do a medical 00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:54.940 exam, you would have everything as bright as 00:35:54.940 --> 00:35:58.610 possible. Yeah, that's a completely valid point, 00:35:58.750 --> 00:36:02.530 especially with the autopsy one. And there's 00:36:02.530 --> 00:36:04.610 a lot of stuff you said even around the eyes. 00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:07.550 So yeah, I was really happy for this episode. 00:36:07.570 --> 00:36:11.269 I understand why you were so happy. When it ends 00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:15.150 with a Richard Doty reference three times over. 00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:19.090 You know what? I didn't want to be so happy when 00:36:19.090 --> 00:36:21.409 I found a Richard Doty connection, but I was. 00:36:21.489 --> 00:36:23.909 I really just need to, like, Google or AI look 00:36:23.909 --> 00:36:26.789 up, like, what Richard Doty has commented on 00:36:26.789 --> 00:36:29.150 and just do those things. Because it would be, 00:36:29.170 --> 00:36:32.269 they would be such beautiful episodes. You know 00:36:32.269 --> 00:36:35.030 what? They're better as surprises, though. And 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:38.010 I only found it because I looked up Skinny Bob, 00:36:38.210 --> 00:36:40.750 Richard Doty, and I don't know why. I don't usually 00:36:40.750 --> 00:36:43.250 do that, but I did it. And I was happy to find 00:36:43.250 --> 00:36:44.869 out. Just in case. Every now and then, yeah, 00:36:44.969 --> 00:36:46.849 I'm like, what did all these people that we've 00:36:46.849 --> 00:36:50.010 done asshole episodes on say on this thing? I 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:52.789 was rewarded by it. So yeah, that's my Skinny 00:36:52.789 --> 00:36:55.550 Bob episodes. Awesome. Well, I don't know what 00:36:55.550 --> 00:36:57.869 to say because we did so much other than I've 00:36:57.869 --> 00:36:59.949 been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey 00:36:59.949 --> 00:37:01.550 to the Fringe. 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