WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 from the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:14.779 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:14.779 --> 00:00:18.140 to Journey to the Fringe, which Chelsea, unfortunately, 00:00:18.179 --> 00:00:21.000 we share an acronym now with the Joint Terrorism 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.760 Task Force in the US, for which we might actually 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:26.780 be on that list. So I don't know, that's kind 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:31.859 of awkward. That is awkward. But here we are 00:00:31.859 --> 00:00:35.939 in this world that we inhabit. We are your podcasso's, 00:00:36.100 --> 00:00:38.600 Taylor and Chelsea. Here today, yes, those are 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.539 the exact people I was thinking of. I got Chelsea. 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.799 They just have a flamboyance to them. It's the 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.390 Unbuttoned shirt. It's fabulous. We are here 00:00:50.390 --> 00:00:54.670 today to follow up and bring us into the spooky 00:00:54.670 --> 00:00:57.530 season and of course as we get closer to the 00:00:57.530 --> 00:00:59.909 spooky season we are going to be talking about 00:00:59.909 --> 00:01:02.990 the spooky encounters. Now Chelsea and I have 00:01:02.990 --> 00:01:06.560 picked only the ripest cryptid encounters to 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.939 go over. I'm not actually sure. Chelsea tried 00:01:08.939 --> 00:01:10.959 to text me about how we're going to split this 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.900 up and I refused to answer as that would restrict 00:01:13.900 --> 00:01:16.620 the creativity. It's true. He didn't answer me. 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.060 That's of course our normal interactions, but 00:01:19.060 --> 00:01:22.030 it's true. It's how it works here. Anyhow, I 00:01:22.030 --> 00:01:24.269 got a couple cryptids to go over with you guys. 00:01:24.430 --> 00:01:26.069 Chelsea's got a couple cryptids to go over with 00:01:26.069 --> 00:01:28.530 you guys with these freaky encounters. And Chelsea, 00:01:28.530 --> 00:01:31.769 I'm going to start us off with the Tuttlebottom 00:01:31.769 --> 00:01:35.049 Monster. Oh, that sounds adorable. I know. I 00:01:35.049 --> 00:01:37.750 love that name. Yeah, it sounds nice. Someone 00:01:37.750 --> 00:01:39.989 ought to make a children's book about it. Somebody 00:01:39.989 --> 00:01:42.510 ought to ask an AI to do that for them. Anyhow, 00:01:42.569 --> 00:01:44.349 I just need to say this. If you're out there 00:01:44.349 --> 00:01:46.030 listening to us and you're a cryptid looking 00:01:46.030 --> 00:01:49.750 to make bang with society, you got to pick the 00:01:49.750 --> 00:01:52.390 place that you're getting your encounters because 00:01:52.390 --> 00:01:54.310 nine times out of ten you're going to be named 00:01:54.310 --> 00:01:56.810 after where your encounter happens and Chelsea, 00:01:57.989 --> 00:02:00.209 this encounter happens in Tuttle Bottom, Illinois. 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.480 Oh, okay. I was just gonna ask if it was in bottom 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.959 somewhere. Guess that'll bottom make sense. You 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.180 also gotta market it right so it's not a place 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:11.580 where there's another more popular cryptid. You 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:14.800 want to be super famous so it's probably somewhere 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.800 you need Point Pleasant for instance. You want 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:20.120 famous. But you don't want too famous of a place 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:21.840 because there's no way you're ever gonna get 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.439 a New York monster. No, exactly. Exactly. You 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.539 don't need a famous place. You want a no -name 00:02:29.539 --> 00:02:33.360 place. where you explode them to popularity and 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.639 therefore everyone comes to see you. That's what 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.139 you want. Yeah, and you basically are gonna get 00:02:38.139 --> 00:02:40.139 a festival no matter what. You're gonna get a 00:02:40.139 --> 00:02:42.599 festival, you're gonna get a bunch of, all the 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.780 restaurants are gonna be named after you. They're 00:02:44.780 --> 00:02:47.280 gonna make pizzas in your likeness. There's gonna 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.259 be festivals. There's gonna be all sorts of crazy 00:02:50.259 --> 00:02:54.180 shit just with like statues. That list goes on 00:02:54.180 --> 00:02:56.639 and on. Now, our story of the Tuttlebottom Monster 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.840 starts on August 6th, 1963. a hot summer night 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.259 where a young man armed with a rifle was out 00:03:03.259 --> 00:03:05.699 near Tuttle Bottoms, a swampy stretch of the 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:07.979 land just north of Harrisburg, Illinois. It was 00:03:07.979 --> 00:03:10.860 around 11 p .m. when he saw what he described 00:03:10.860 --> 00:03:13.680 as an eight foot long, four foot high creature 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.280 covered in coarse hair and most notably sporting 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.939 a long anteater -like snout. Oh, he sounds adorable. 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.139 Wasn't a bear, wasn't a dog, and it's the Tuttle 00:03:23.139 --> 00:03:25.900 Bottom. Love it. I am already a big fan. Is it 00:03:25.900 --> 00:03:28.840 an anteater? We'll finish the story off. okay 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.599 the young man put the sighting to saline county 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.500 sheriff james l thompson according to the harrisburg 00:03:34.500 --> 00:03:36.759 daily register thompson found the youth and later 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.199 dispersed a group of about a dozen armed boys 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.819 who had gathered to hunt the creature this is 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:44.259 not a campfire story it was serious enough for 00:03:44.259 --> 00:03:46.319 law enforcement to intervene and it wouldn't 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.240 be the last time there is a surge of sightings 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.060 of this thing in the 60s throughout this decade 00:03:52.060 --> 00:03:54.819 sightings of the tuttle bottom monster surged 00:03:54.819 --> 00:03:57.710 teenagers parked near the bottoms reported seeing 00:03:57.710 --> 00:03:59.969 a hairy creature approach their cars. Hunters 00:03:59.969 --> 00:04:02.509 claimed to hear strange growls and catch glimpses 00:04:02.509 --> 00:04:04.449 of something large moving through the brush. 00:04:04.750 --> 00:04:07.270 Descriptions varied slightly. Some said it walked 00:04:07.270 --> 00:04:10.490 on two legs, others on four, but one detail remained 00:04:10.490 --> 00:04:14.150 consistent. Long, narrow, and a natural snout. 00:04:14.370 --> 00:04:16.889 Police received multiple calls, officers always 00:04:16.889 --> 00:04:19.509 responded. While no physical evidence was ever 00:04:19.509 --> 00:04:22.110 recovered, the consistency of the reports kept 00:04:22.110 --> 00:04:25.009 the legend alive, and then came the rumors. Some 00:04:25.009 --> 00:04:27.370 locals whispered that murderers had occurred 00:04:27.370 --> 00:04:30.189 in the area. Grizzly unsolved and possibly linked 00:04:30.189 --> 00:04:32.829 to the creature. No official connection was ever 00:04:32.829 --> 00:04:36.329 made, but the fear was real. By the 1980s, the 00:04:36.329 --> 00:04:38.709 Tuttlebottom Monster had become a fixture of 00:04:38.709 --> 00:04:41.290 Harrisburg folklore. But it wasn't just stories 00:04:41.290 --> 00:04:44.350 passed around a dinner table or campfires. Former 00:04:44.350 --> 00:04:46.949 Harrisburg police chief, Gary Crabtree, later 00:04:46.949 --> 00:04:49.389 stated that his department received approximately 00:04:49.389 --> 00:04:54.139 50 reports. over 28 years. That's 50 reports. 00:04:54.139 --> 00:04:56.759 That's not a myth. That's a pattern. Witnesses 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.660 concluded couples parked near the bottoms, hunters 00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:02.800 deep in the woods, residents walking dogs or 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.540 driving home at late at night. Each described 00:05:05.540 --> 00:05:08.660 a large hairy creature with a snout. Some said 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:11.360 it watched them. Others said it fled, but none 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.180 forgot what they saw. Police often responded 00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:16.480 to these calls. Sometimes they found disturbed 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.819 brush, strange tracks or shaken witnesses. Other 00:05:19.819 --> 00:05:22.139 times, nothing, but the reports kept coming. 00:05:22.339 --> 00:05:24.759 One of the most provocative claims came from 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.639 the local resident Virgil Smith. Smith believed 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.000 the creature was real and that it had been released 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.259 by the federal government. He claimed a former 00:05:32.259 --> 00:05:35.740 USDA employee told him the department had conducted 00:05:35.740 --> 00:05:37.980 a private investigation into the monster. No 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:40.279 documentation has ever surfaced to support this, 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:42.720 but encrypted lore, government secrecy is part 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.519 of the mystique. So was it an experiment gone 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.660 wrong or just a story that grew with the telling? 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:51.839 Sightings continue even into the 21st century 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.459 with locals still reporting strange encounters 00:05:54.459 --> 00:05:56.779 near the bottoms. One man claimed he saw the 00:05:56.779 --> 00:05:59.120 creature cross the road in front of his truck, 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:01.740 walking upright with a snout and glowing eyes. 00:06:01.899 --> 00:06:04.379 Another described hearing guttural growls while 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:06.879 fishing, followed by a splash and a glimpse of 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.300 fur. Police still respond to these calls and 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:12.259 while no formal investigations were launched, 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.439 the reports were logged and legends endured. 00:06:14.740 --> 00:06:17.040 And the most recent sightings even happened in 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.459 the 2020s, Chelsea. A Harrisburg resident walking 00:06:20.459 --> 00:06:23.160 his dog near the bottoms reported seeing a large 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.220 hairy figure watching him from the treeline. 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:28.060 He described it as about seven feet tall with 00:06:28.060 --> 00:06:30.660 a long snout and dark fur. The creature didn't 00:06:30.660 --> 00:06:33.079 move, it just stared. The man called the police 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.600 who arrived in search area. They found broken 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.420 branches and disturbed But no creature and the 00:06:38.420 --> 00:06:40.959 report was filed in the mystery deepened. What 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.680 is the total bottoms monster? There are theories 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.339 out there, such as a misidentified bear or boar, 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.519 an undiscovered species, cryptid unique to the 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.220 south of Illinois, or some believe a supernatural 00:06:51.220 --> 00:06:53.959 entity tied to the land itself. The anteater, 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.740 like Snow, sets it apart from other North American 00:06:56.740 --> 00:06:59.399 cryptids. Not a Bigfoot, not a Dogman, something 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.819 else. And despite decades of sightings, no clear 00:07:02.819 --> 00:07:05.879 photos, video or physical evidence has surfaced. 00:07:06.019 --> 00:07:08.560 Now, the Tuttlebottom Monster may not have the 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.399 fame of Mothman or Bigfoot. Actually, pretty 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:13.579 much anything that we've covered so far. But 00:07:13.579 --> 00:07:15.600 in Harrisburg, it's part of the landscape, a 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.660 story passed down through generations, a warning 00:07:17.660 --> 00:07:19.839 whispered to teens heading out to the bottoms 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:21.980 at night. And for those who've seen it, it's 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:24.600 not a joke, it's not a myth, it's very real. 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:27.459 Yeah, I believe that about anteaters. I mean, 00:07:27.459 --> 00:07:29.699 to be fair, there are no seven foot tall anteaters 00:07:29.699 --> 00:07:32.040 out there. Are they not? They're pretty big. 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.180 They can be big, but they don't live for 60 years. 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:39.019 Yeah, but they could have families. And families 00:07:39.019 --> 00:07:42.160 generally just keep living. That's the thing 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.680 about ant eaters, they don't generally reside 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.879 in South Illinois. Hold on, no. Wild ant eaters 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.620 do not live in Illinois. Have ant eaters escaped 00:07:53.620 --> 00:07:58.040 from toots in Illinois? Apparently the giant 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.360 ant eater can be up to seven feet long, so if 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.839 he stands up he could, um... They're pretty big! 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:08.339 And I... Yeah, and if they probably got caught 00:08:08.339 --> 00:08:10.399 in the headlights, I bet their eyes would glow. 00:08:10.750 --> 00:08:14.449 Yeah. Yeah. Anyhow, that's... The Halloween episodes 00:08:14.449 --> 00:08:16.910 are not for disproving. They're for telling the 00:08:16.910 --> 00:08:20.529 stories of creepy things. I'm sorry. I just... 00:08:20.529 --> 00:08:23.509 I googled the renditions of what they look like 00:08:23.509 --> 00:08:29.329 and they don't look exactly like anteaters. Sorry, 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:34.450 I had to. Okay. I have two episodes ready to 00:08:34.450 --> 00:08:37.419 go. And I was waiting to see what you were leading 00:08:37.419 --> 00:08:39.419 with to see what one I was going to cover in 00:08:39.419 --> 00:08:43.460 this episode. So I'm going with the conversation 00:08:43.460 --> 00:08:46.179 that we had at the beginning of the episode on 00:08:46.179 --> 00:08:48.679 if you're a cryptid paranormal creature, you 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.159 got to pick where you pop up. It determines your 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.620 future as a paranormal cryptid. With that being 00:08:55.620 --> 00:08:59.960 said, my cryptid that I chose to do is the Nane 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:02.500 Rouge. Have you heard of the Nane Rouge? I've 00:09:02.500 --> 00:09:05.870 heard of Mulan Rouge. Really? Okay, so this is 00:09:05.870 --> 00:09:08.110 the Red Devil of Detroit. I thought you might 00:09:08.110 --> 00:09:10.389 have heard of him being that you've been to Detroit. 00:09:10.549 --> 00:09:13.769 I've heard of Ninruj, yes. Yeah, maybe I'm saying 00:09:13.769 --> 00:09:16.009 him wrong. Yes, I definitely have heard of it. 00:09:16.149 --> 00:09:19.509 Yeah, so we're gonna talk about him because he 00:09:19.509 --> 00:09:21.730 represents Detroit. Whether or not you heard 00:09:21.730 --> 00:09:24.950 of him, another thing and that goes to where 00:09:24.950 --> 00:09:27.870 you pick the city you're gonna hunt. Maybe Detroit 00:09:27.870 --> 00:09:30.360 was too big. There's a brewery named after it 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.000 in Detroit. There is, yeah. Super big in Detroit, 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.000 apparently. The legend of the Nain Rouge weaves 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.740 a tale from the early days when Detroit was founded 00:09:38.740 --> 00:09:43.740 by Antoine de la Mouthe Cadillac in the 1700s. 00:09:43.940 --> 00:09:46.480 While attending a party in Quebec, a fortune 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.100 teller warned Cadillac of a future encounter 00:09:49.100 --> 00:09:52.940 with the Nain on his next adventure. She stated 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:56.960 Cadillac needed to appease the monster with flattery 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.779 and his reward would be discovering a city that 00:09:59.779 --> 00:10:03.159 would rival ones in France. If he respected the 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.019 fiend, misfortune would darken his life. Cadillac 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:09.860 sailed out on his mission the next day and eventually 00:10:09.860 --> 00:10:13.220 established Fort Pontchartain due Detroit in 00:10:13.220 --> 00:10:16.740 the western bank of Detroit River. The fort prospered 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:19.399 for years until one night someone spotted the 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.649 Nain Rouge. When Cadillac ran into the Scarlet 00:10:22.649 --> 00:10:25.789 Imp. Instead of paying him respect, he smacked 00:10:25.789 --> 00:10:28.049 the monster with his cane and told them to leave 00:10:28.049 --> 00:10:31.049 the city. The Nain Rouge's cackling laughter 00:10:31.049 --> 00:10:34.509 pierced the air as the demon slipped away into 00:10:34.509 --> 00:10:38.289 the inky darkness, and doom shrouded the arrogant 00:10:38.289 --> 00:10:41.830 Cadillac. His superiors removed the founder from 00:10:41.830 --> 00:10:44.970 his illustrious post and shipped him to Louisiana. 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:47.490 as they did with the French back then, which 00:10:47.490 --> 00:10:50.629 he considered a wretched place to live with his 00:10:50.629 --> 00:10:53.309 family. I guess that explains a lot about what 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:55.870 happened to Detroit. Was it a wretched place 00:10:55.870 --> 00:10:58.230 to live or was it a wretched place to live with 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:02.000 his family? Yes. The place or the family? Why 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:07.080 not both? The Nain Rouge was included in Charles 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.480 M. Skinner's 1896 book, Miss and Legends of Our 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.879 Land, described as, quote, a shambling red -faced 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.639 creature with a cold, glittering eye and teeth 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.720 protruding from a grinning mouth. Legend holds 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.779 the Nain Rouge's appearance would precede terrible 00:11:22.779 --> 00:11:25.919 events for the white people of the city and foretell 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.700 success for the indigenous people. The feature 00:11:28.700 --> 00:11:32.379 is said to have appeared on July 30th, 1963, 00:11:32.620 --> 00:11:36.139 before the Battle of Bloody Run, where 58 British 00:11:36.139 --> 00:11:38.600 soldiers were killed by Native Americans from 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.120 Chief Pontiac's Ottawa tribe. Supposedly, the 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.940 Nane Rouge danced among the corpses on the banks 00:11:44.940 --> 00:11:47.519 of the Detroit River after the battle, and the 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.000 river turned red with blood for days after. According 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.620 to the tale, all the misfortunes of Governor 00:11:53.620 --> 00:11:56.419 and General William Hull, leading to the surrender 00:11:56.419 --> 00:11:59.620 of Detroit in the war 1812 are blamed on the 00:11:59.620 --> 00:12:03.679 Nain Rouge. We then have the 1805 fire and several 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.940 sightings were later reported during the 20th 00:12:05.940 --> 00:12:08.580 century. Two utility workers claim to have seen 00:12:08.580 --> 00:12:12.039 the creature just before the 1967 Detroit riots 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.860 and supposedly it was also seen before an ice 00:12:14.860 --> 00:12:19.019 storm in 1976. This has led to a supposedly 300 00:12:19.019 --> 00:12:21.960 year annual tradition on the Sunday after the 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.679 Vernal Equinox where Detroiters gather for a 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.730 march to meet the Nain Rouge. There are no records 00:12:27.730 --> 00:12:30.350 to indicate that the legend of the name Rouge 00:12:30.350 --> 00:12:34.230 existed in the 18th century when Antoine de la 00:12:34.230 --> 00:12:36.970 Mauve Cadillac was the authority in Detroit. 00:12:37.289 --> 00:12:41.169 The earliest record Hamlin's legends of Les Detroit 00:12:41.169 --> 00:12:44.009 is probably not how you say that in French, but 00:12:44.009 --> 00:12:49.259 there's an accent on it. Detroit? It wasn't published 00:12:49.259 --> 00:12:53.379 until 1883, 180 years after Cadillac was said 00:12:53.379 --> 00:12:55.639 to have been cursed by the Nain Rouge. However, 00:12:55.740 --> 00:12:59.200 some claim that it originates in the early 1700s 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.600 French settlement of Detroit, supposedly deriving 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:05.720 from Norman French tales of the Luton, a type 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.480 of hobgoblin. Some also claim that the Nain Rouge 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.340 originated with supposed Native American legends 00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:14.360 of an impish offspring of the stone god. And 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.299 that is the Nain Rouge. And that is why you should 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:19.549 always trust the devil. I actually learned about 00:13:19.549 --> 00:13:22.289 this on a ghost tour I did in Detroit. I always 00:13:22.289 --> 00:13:24.649 loved this portion of the story so like whenever 00:13:24.649 --> 00:13:26.649 you're learning about history in Detroit a lot 00:13:26.649 --> 00:13:29.950 of car names come up so obviously Cadillac ends 00:13:29.950 --> 00:13:32.990 up getting his name dropped into a car as Pontiac, 00:13:33.389 --> 00:13:35.450 hilariously enough, with the tribe that destroyed 00:13:35.450 --> 00:13:39.549 them. Cadillac, his family crest, ends up being 00:13:39.549 --> 00:13:42.659 the logo for the Cadillac. What? Yeah, that's 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:44.840 like when you look at a Cadillac, the logo for 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.700 Cadillac, that's that's his family crest. Also, 00:13:48.019 --> 00:13:50.620 he lied. That's not a real family crest. He made 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:53.399 it up to say that he had like a familial ancestry 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.960 that didn't exist. That's the good thing about 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.700 ghost tours. They always give you a really great 00:13:58.700 --> 00:14:01.600 history of the goings on of wherever you're visiting 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.919 as well, unless you're doing a ghost tour in 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.620 Barcelona, in which case don't do a ghost tour 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:09.879 in Barcelona. because you won't learn anything, 00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:13.620 but it'll be run by a guy from San Francisco. 00:14:15.580 --> 00:14:18.179 That is neither here nor there. Do you have anything 00:14:18.179 --> 00:14:21.259 to add to the Nain Rouge then? Perhaps how you 00:14:21.259 --> 00:14:24.480 really say the name? The Nain Rouge, which also 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.980 does have a brewery, which we are unable to attend, 00:14:27.059 --> 00:14:28.740 unfortunately, because it's closed when we walked 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:32.700 by. We did still get points on the Detroit Brewery 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:35.360 Trail because they had a discount code, which 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.929 I could use. An important part of the story. 00:14:44.029 --> 00:14:46.909 Do you have another creature for us? I do, Chelsea. 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.929 And this is somewhat keeping with the region 00:14:49.929 --> 00:14:53.230 that we're in, but not really. For Chelsea, we 00:14:53.230 --> 00:14:57.409 are going to look at the Hubei flying entity. 00:14:57.450 --> 00:15:00.610 Oh. Which yes, Hubei is nowhere near where we're 00:15:00.610 --> 00:15:03.529 talking about. Never heard of it. Hubei province, 00:15:03.610 --> 00:15:09.159 China. Close. What are you talking about? But 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.659 I got an Illinois theme going on. And what do 00:15:11.659 --> 00:15:14.679 we know Illinois for, Chelsea? Pizza. Chicago. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.159 Mothman. There we go. Hubei flying entity. Oh 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.840 my god. And also the place that he picked was 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.580 Hubei and he is named after it, the second less 00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:30.990 scary theme of the episode. This is a weighted 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:34.269 humanoid reported in remote regions of Hubei 00:15:34.269 --> 00:15:37.309 province, also where the Yaren comes from, often 00:15:37.309 --> 00:15:40.570 appearing before disasters or in moments of high 00:15:40.570 --> 00:15:43.649 strangeness. The first sighting on record is 00:15:43.649 --> 00:15:47.649 in Badong County, July of 1998. In this first 00:15:47.649 --> 00:15:50.470 documented account, which Badon County is in 00:15:50.470 --> 00:15:53.389 western Hubei province, it happens in early July 00:15:53.389 --> 00:15:56.470 of 1998. Multiple villagers reported seeing a 00:15:56.470 --> 00:15:59.549 large winged figure flying over a valley near 00:15:59.549 --> 00:16:02.330 their homes. They described it as 2 .5 meters 00:16:02.330 --> 00:16:05.230 tall or about 8 feet, covered in dark leathery 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:08.350 skin or fur, possessed a wingspan of roughly 00:16:08.350 --> 00:16:11.789 3 to 4 meters, eyes reportedly glowed red in 00:16:11.789 --> 00:16:14.450 low light, and flight was silent with no flapping 00:16:14.450 --> 00:16:16.940 or sound, just a gliding motion. Now, witnesses 00:16:16.940 --> 00:16:19.240 claimed the creature hovered over the valley 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.600 for several minutes before vanishing into the 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.919 mist. Three days later, a landslide struck the 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.240 area, killing several residents and damaging 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.679 infrastructure. While no formal investigation 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.539 was launched, the timing of the sighting led 00:16:33.539 --> 00:16:36.080 locals to associate the entity with the disaster. 00:16:36.580 --> 00:16:39.860 The next notable sighting is in Shenanjia Forest 00:16:39.860 --> 00:16:43.639 Reserve on August of 2002. This particular forest 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.809 reserve is known for the Yaran. A group of university 00:16:46.809 --> 00:16:49.429 students from Wuhan were hiking deep in the reserve 00:16:49.429 --> 00:16:51.610 when they witnessed a humanoid figure gliding 00:16:51.610 --> 00:16:54.169 between treetops at dusk. They estimated it to 00:16:54.169 --> 00:16:57.409 be 7 -8 feet tall. Wings described as bat -like, 00:16:57.570 --> 00:17:00.429 extending from shoulders to ankles. No visible 00:17:00.429 --> 00:17:03.289 feathers. They noted a membranous texture, like 00:17:03.289 --> 00:17:06.369 a bat. Eyes or chest emitted a faint glow, and 00:17:06.369 --> 00:17:08.769 movement was smooth and deliberate, not bird 00:17:08.769 --> 00:17:10.789 -like. The group reported the incident to park 00:17:10.789 --> 00:17:13.210 rangers, who dismissed it as a large bird or 00:17:13.210 --> 00:17:15.539 misidentification. However, the students maintained 00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:18.180 their account and later published a brief summary 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:20.420 in a university newsletter which was picked up 00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:23.299 by fringe cryptid blogs. Now the third and final 00:17:23.299 --> 00:17:26.460 major account comes from Yichong City near the 00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:30.200 Three Gorges Dam. In October of 2009 a bridge 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.559 maintenance crew working at night shift reported 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.240 seeing a humanoid figure perched on a support 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.099 beam. Witnesses described the figure as man -sized 00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:41.039 hunched with elongated limbs. Wings folded tightly 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.500 against his body resembling a cloak. When it 00:17:43.500 --> 00:18:01.940 approached the Now across all these sightings, 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:04.400 we get a few things that are fairly consistent. 00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:17.109 and well, no formal police reports exists that 00:18:17.109 --> 00:18:19.849 I could find because let's face it, I'm not gonna 00:18:19.849 --> 00:18:22.329 pull up some Chinese police reports. These accounts 00:18:22.329 --> 00:18:25.329 have circulated regional folklore and online 00:18:25.329 --> 00:18:27.630 cryptic communities. The Hubei Flying Entity 00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:30.849 remains one of China's most mysterious wing apparitions, 00:18:31.069 --> 00:18:34.309 part omen, part enigma. So is it a cryptic, a 00:18:34.309 --> 00:18:36.789 spirit, a warning we may never know, but the 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:39.089 consistency of these sightings suggests something 00:18:39.089 --> 00:18:41.789 is out there watching from the skies above Hubei. 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:46.410 Oh, that was a good one. I really like that. 00:18:46.589 --> 00:18:49.589 I think we do need to do an episode on Mothman 00:18:49.589 --> 00:18:51.869 of the World because that was not the only one 00:18:51.869 --> 00:18:54.670 I could find. I've actually never heard of this 00:18:54.670 --> 00:18:59.210 guy, but I do know there are spots that it has 00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:01.890 popped up as well. I would be all over that. 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.680 Phantom Mothman. He's my favorite guy. My number 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.019 one. And do you have another one or is this where 00:19:08.019 --> 00:19:09.640 we're going to cut it for this one? I have another 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:14.619 one. I, my next one is the Ozark Howler, which 00:19:14.619 --> 00:19:17.779 I didn't take this international for my second 00:19:17.779 --> 00:19:20.700 one. I stayed very much in the United States 00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:23.099 in the Ozark. But you moved south. I don't know 00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:27.160 what an Ozark is. All I know is that the dad 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:29.539 from Arrested Development is in it. Yeah, he's 00:19:29.539 --> 00:19:31.400 in that show called the Ozarks. It's a group 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.880 of lakes. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Is it? It's the Ozark 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.920 Mountains or Ozark Plateau. It's a physiographic 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.059 region in central southern U .S., primarily Missouri, 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.599 Arkansas, Oklahoma, and a small part of Kansas. 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.019 I couldn't get into the show, so I wouldn't know. 00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:50.240 So this is a phantom creature of the Arkansas's 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.039 hills. Again, my geography of the United States 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.420 is a little bit sketchy, especially when you 00:19:56.420 --> 00:19:58.759 get to the middle parts. Ain't nobody you remember 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:01.059 in the middle, unless you're in the middle. Yeah, 00:20:01.099 --> 00:20:04.319 yeah. It's tough. There's so much. When you have 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.059 50, you're gonna lose a bunch that are right 00:20:07.059 --> 00:20:08.900 together. That's just how it's gonna work. Oh, 00:20:08.980 --> 00:20:13.000 yeah. Okay, so the Ozark Howler or the Ozark 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:17.000 Black Howler or the Devil Cat legend has been 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.859 passed down for generations by locals who have 00:20:19.859 --> 00:20:22.839 heard and seen things that they could not describe 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.000 as an animal that you would expect to find in 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.319 the heart of the Ozark wilderness. Its frightening 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.480 sound and eerie appearance have been seen in 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.220 the more remote parts of the Missourian and Arkansas. 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.579 Ozarks, and even farther west in Oklahoma and 00:20:40.579 --> 00:20:43.539 south in Texas. Sightings have been officially 00:20:43.539 --> 00:20:47.660 recorded since the 1950s, though many Ozark families 00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:50.259 have stories passed down through generations 00:20:50.259 --> 00:20:53.779 of seeing the Ozark Howler well before that time. 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.099 The origin of the Ozark Howler legend is not 00:20:57.099 --> 00:21:00.099 clear, but some sources suggest that it may have 00:21:00.099 --> 00:21:03.119 Native American roots. According to one story, 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:05.960 the Howler was a spirit animal that protected 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.500 the land from invaders. Another claims that the 00:21:09.500 --> 00:21:12.740 Howler is a curse placed on the region by a witch 00:21:12.740 --> 00:21:15.759 who was burned at the stake by European settlers. 00:21:16.059 --> 00:21:18.819 Some believe that the Howler is a manifestation 00:21:18.819 --> 00:21:22.200 of the fears and hardships that the early pioneers 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.640 faced in the wilderness. The legend gained more 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:29.440 popularity in the 1990s when a cryptozoologist 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.640 named Chad Armand published a book called Cryptozoology 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:43.200 Science and Speculation. It's quite a nice word 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.299 when it comes to science. The book included a 00:21:46.299 --> 00:21:49.660 chapter on the Ozark Howler. Arment claimed that 00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:52.460 he had collected dozens of eyewitness accounts 00:21:52.460 --> 00:21:55.039 and physical evidence of the creature's existence. 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.279 He also speculated that the Howler might be a 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:02.299 new species of feline or cannon or hybrid or 00:22:02.299 --> 00:22:07.029 both. Between 2005 and 2010 the howler was spotted 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:10.309 several times and in 2015 the legend received 00:22:10.309 --> 00:22:12.829 more attention when a local television station 00:22:12.829 --> 00:22:16.089 in Arkansas reported that they had received photographs 00:22:16.089 --> 00:22:18.990 of the creature from a viewer. The station contacted 00:22:18.990 --> 00:22:21.990 the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission who dismissed 00:22:21.990 --> 00:22:25.200 the photos as a hoax. However, some people still 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.539 believe that the photos were genuine and that 00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:29.859 they showed proof of the Howler's reality. I 00:22:29.859 --> 00:22:31.839 bet you're wondering what he looks like because 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.779 I didn't start with that. Let's talk about the 00:22:34.779 --> 00:22:37.420 description of what you would be seeing if you 00:22:37.420 --> 00:22:40.039 spotted the Ozark Howler. Just in case, maybe 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:41.980 you've already seen him. Maybe you're sitting 00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:44.440 next to him on a bus. I don't know. Anything 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:46.839 could happen. It's a Halloween episode. So if 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.769 you're sitting on a bus... Listen up! The Ozark 00:22:49.769 --> 00:22:52.450 Howler is typically described as being around 00:22:52.450 --> 00:22:55.630 the size of a bear, with thick boy stocky legs, 00:22:56.049 --> 00:22:59.009 black shaggy hair, and having prominent horns. 00:22:59.390 --> 00:23:01.829 Most agree that it is either black or dark in 00:23:01.829 --> 00:23:04.789 colour. Some witnesses also report seeing glowing 00:23:04.789 --> 00:23:08.509 red eyes, long fangs, and a long tail. The most 00:23:08.509 --> 00:23:11.650 distinctive feature of the Howler is its sound, 00:23:11.829 --> 00:23:14.329 which is said to be a combination of a wolf's 00:23:14.329 --> 00:23:17.450 howl and an elk's bugle. I didn't know that's 00:23:17.450 --> 00:23:20.390 what you would call it. Some people also compare 00:23:20.390 --> 00:23:23.710 it to the screams of a woman or a half human 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:27.130 creature. The howl is said to be very loud and 00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:29.730 terrifying and can be heard for miles. So is 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:33.190 that not just the sound of a cougar? Yeah, it 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:36.130 could be. Very humanly scream. Yeah, it's true. 00:23:36.470 --> 00:23:43.950 There's a lot of animal animals that have really 00:23:43.950 --> 00:23:47.430 creepy voices if you were to hear them at night 00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:50.750 like owls cougars yeah that's another creepy 00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:52.869 one i wouldn't want to hear at night i wouldn't 00:23:52.869 --> 00:23:54.809 want to hear a lot of noises at night if i was 00:23:54.809 --> 00:23:57.210 to be honest with you there's that one bird that 00:23:57.210 --> 00:24:00.730 mimics and it's like like a chainsaw yeah yeah 00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:02.650 he's a good one i wouldn't want to hear at night 00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:06.210 because like parrots that learn how to talk wouldn't 00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:09.170 want to hear one of those guys at night uh depending 00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:12.829 on what they had to say um Bigfoot wouldn't want 00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:15.089 to hear him at night, so there's lots of stuff 00:24:15.089 --> 00:24:18.190 that I don't know why I'm talking about the animals 00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:20.829 I don't want to hear at night. The Ozark Howler 00:24:20.829 --> 00:24:24.210 is said to be nocturnal and elusive, preferring 00:24:24.210 --> 00:24:26.650 to stay in the dense forest and caves of the 00:24:26.650 --> 00:24:29.839 Ozarks. It is also said to be territorial and 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.299 aggressive, especially during mating season or 00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:34.619 when protecting its young. Some stories claim 00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:37.440 that the howler can kill livestock and even humans 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.940 with its powerful jaws and claws. It's just describing 00:24:40.940 --> 00:24:44.099 another, I hate to be this person on this episode, 00:24:44.259 --> 00:24:47.640 but it just sounds like any other wild animal 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.240 in the woods. Maybe a dark -haired cougar. Yeah, 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.259 maybe an anteater. Others say that it could cause 00:24:54.259 --> 00:24:57.920 bad luck or misfortune to those who see it or 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.599 hear it. Let's talk about sightings of the Ozark 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.500 Howler. There have been many of them. As I already 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:05.880 talked about, then I talked about what it looks 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.619 like. Now I'm back to the reportings. Mostly 00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:11.500 from hunters, hikers, campers and residents who 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:13.779 live near the woods. Some of these sightings 00:25:13.779 --> 00:25:16.460 are more credible than others, but they all share 00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:18.900 some common elements. Here's some examples of 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.819 notable sightings. October 2014, a motorist in 00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:26.059 Benton County, Arkansas reported that he nearly 00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:28.720 collided with an unidentified animal on Pump 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.599 Station Road in Springdale. He described it as 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.700 a bear -sized, gray, fast -running animal with 00:25:34.700 --> 00:25:38.180 horns. In December 2015, a viewer sent photos 00:25:38.180 --> 00:25:42.140 to 4029 News in Arkansas, claiming that they 00:25:42.140 --> 00:25:45.380 showed images of the Ozark Howlert near Devil's 00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.960 Den State Park. The photo showed a dark animal 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:50.880 with horns and red eyes hiding behind some trees. 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:53.700 Nothing comes up if I search this. Well, maybe 00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:56.359 we'll throw it up if we find it. Otherwise we'll 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.380 just generate an AI image of it. In June 2016, 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.579 a group of friends camping near Lake Tenkiller 00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:07.319 in Oklahoma claimed that they heard loud howls 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.920 and saw glowing eyes in the dark. They also found 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.720 large paw prints and scratch marks on their car. 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.099 In August 2017, a couple hiking near Branson 00:26:16.099 --> 00:26:18.700 in Missouri said that they saw a large black 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:21.799 animal with horns crossing a road and they said 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.039 that it looked like a cross between a bear and 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.660 a goat. In October 2018, a hunter in Texas reported 00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:29.670 that he He shot and killed an animal that he 00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:32.750 believed was an Ozark Howler near Big Thicket 00:26:32.750 --> 00:26:35.549 National Preserve. He said that it had black 00:26:35.549 --> 00:26:38.690 fur, horns, fangs, and red eyes. He took photos 00:26:38.690 --> 00:26:41.309 of his trophy and sent them to the local newspaper. 00:26:41.630 --> 00:26:45.009 That's the Ozark Howler. Lots of weird names 00:26:45.009 --> 00:26:48.369 and places in that, by the way. That was a well 00:26:48.369 --> 00:26:51.809 -rounded episode. And I'm not sure what the theme 00:26:51.809 --> 00:26:54.470 was, actually. It was probably about cryptids 00:26:54.470 --> 00:26:57.759 and... Where their names come from? Yeah, except 00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.819 the name Rouge doesn't quite fit in there, but 00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:03.079 that's okay. Does not where his name comes from, 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.240 but where a cryptid chooses to his origins from. 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:11.180 Yeah. Yeah. And I guess with that, I have been 00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:13.039 Taylor here with Chelsea. We are a journey to 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.440 the fringe. Thank you all for listening. We'll 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:19.769 see you next week. Bye. Thank you for listening 00:27:19.769 --> 00:27:22.369 to Journey to the Fringe. 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