From the unexplained to the mundane, join us
on our journey to the fringe. We don't actually
use, I don't think we use that much AI in our
podcast. And also there's no ways. And there's
only one eye in Journey to the Fringe. And if
you omitted that eye, people would still probably
be like, oh yeah, Journey to the Fringe. Yeah,
it's true. It could be omitted. What else would
it be? That's the thing about it. With that eye
missing. So you probably can't spell it without
AI. Anyhow, we're deep thinking podcast. That
was Taylor and Chelsea getting into the spooky
season, I think. Yeah. I think that's what we're
doing, because Chelsea's kind of been left with
some direction, kind of. So I'll just, I'll let
her take it. I love this season. And of course,
I'm already in the spirit. Well, it's October
1st, maybe. What's the date today? Yeah, we get
into the spirits heavy here. It's October 3rd.
Usually while... Yeah, we're heavy into the spirits.
So we've all heard of the Salem Witch Trials.
How much we know about it is questionable, but
at least heard about it. That is not what we're
talking about today. Today, we're talking about
the witch trials and witch trials adjacent that
you haven't heard of. And I'm going to give you
those details now. First up is the Pendle Witches.
This is going back to 1612 England, which The
Pendle Witch Trials are one of the most notorious
witch trials in the UK, apparently. Not to me
anyway, but apparently to someone, because that's
what I heard about my research. It's one of the
most notorious. Much of what is known about the
Pendle Witch Trials comes from the book, The
Wonderful Discovery, by this guy called Thomas
Potts, who was the clerk to the Lancaster Azaziz.
Azazez. Azaz -ez. As is this. That's not the
guy from the Ouija board is it? As is this. No.
No, that's Zaza, never mind. I was like, what
the hell are you talking about? Before you ask
what the word is that I can't pronounce is, the
Lancaster Azazes were part of the old English
court system. Azazes were traveling courts, and
instead of everyone traveling to London for trials,
judges from the royal courts would travel around
the country to hold court sessions in different
towns. They mainly dealt with serious crimes
like murder, treason and robbery and actually
became known as the Hanging Court. Because, I
mean, they're dealing with, probably. They didn't
come to a decision, probably because they couldn't
get a decision, right? They always ended up with
a hung jury. Very doubtful. It's probably more
that they were hanging people when they're dealing
with things like murder, treason, and robbery
back in the 1612s. Am I right? Or the high profile
cases, I'm guessing, like a witch in the air.
Yeah, yeah. See, you get it. So the Lancaster,
as it says, I don't know how to pronounce this
word, where the session I said yes. S sizes,
okay. It's a size. What? I googled it and the
first thing the definition and a way to say it.
A size. That's how you say it? Yeah. Oh, I was
way off. So you know. Okay, I was trying to pronounce
too much of the letters in there. So. Potts was
instructed to write the account of the Pendle,
which is trial, by the trial judges, completing
it by November 1612. While it was revised by
Judge Bromley before publication in 1613, the
book is not a verbatim transcript of the trial,
but just vibes. or reflection of the events,
as they put it. It's kind of like the people
who would sketch in the courtroom. Yeah. And
it's never like a picture perfect. We're going
to hang these in art gallery. But they give you
a general idea. Do you think those guys are going
off five? Yeah, they are. Although not entirely
comprehensive, Potts's account is considered
generally trustworthy, provided readers understand
it is based on written material rather than direct
testimony. OK, so more about the Pendle Witch
They took place in 1612 in a religious and politically
turbulent England. We've got to set the scene.
Where fear of witchcraft was rising due to Protestant
and Catholic tensions. The reign of King James
I, influenced by his obsession with witchcraft,
fueled by his experiences in Scotland. I'm not
sure what those were, but it might have something
to do with the witchcraft. Saw a strict stance
on witches, marked by his book, Day Menon. and
laws against witchcraft. And when I saw the way
that he spells his daemonology, it kind of reminds
me of Aleister Crowley with how he spelled demons,
daemons, whatever it was. And a quick Google
King James I of England is James VI of Scotland
who is Mary Queen of Scots's kid. Oh, that would
explain a lot for what happens in this episode.
Okay. okay i'm glad you just came up with that
thank you it really enlightened me at least also
apparently the first stewards which i think is
no they're the winzers aren't they the current
family what are you talking about the the lines
that they technically are the stewards flow through
the that's the steward dynasty is King James
starts the Stuart dynasty. I don't know because
like King Charles is part of the Windsor dynasty.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay.
I don't know. For people who talk vaguely about
royals, mostly just gossip about them. They do.
It's mostly gossip. We talk very little about
it. That's actually, that's why we're so good
at it. Yes. Because we don't know nothing about
them. In Lancashire, where the trials occurred,
the people had long resisted religious conformity,
with many clinging to Catholicism despite the
Protestant rule. The cultural and religious landscape
set the stage for the Pendle Trials, as local
authorities were eager to uncover witchcraft
in an area already seen as wild and lawless.
The trials were triggered by a series of events
in early 1612, beginning with the accusation
that Alizon DeVice had cursed the peddler, John
Law, causing him to suffer a stroke. This led
to an investigation by Roger Nowell, a local
justice of the peace, who uncovered confessions
from several members of two families, the Devices
and the Chaddixes. The last thing was Devices?
Yeah. I could be way off on how I'm pronouncing
this. It just seemed really weird. Yeah. It could
be, you know, this is like back in the 1612s,
so it could be like Divises. Yeah, it could be
the DC Opera. Those things are sold now. Anyhow.
The family's had a long history of being suspected
of witchcraft, with the elderly matriarchs Demdike
and Chaddix. The local communists have been waiting
generations for their opportunity to bring a
trial against this family for witchcraft. It
sounds like it. It's been there for a while.
But both were accused of making pacts with the
devil. In my experience, not such a bad guy.
I think there might have been a lot of overreaction,
but that's just me in my experience. The subsequent
investigations uncovered accusations and counter
accusations between the two families with the
devices blaming Chaddix for a string of deaths
and misfortunes, while Chaddix and her family
retaliated with accusations against against the
devices. This was more likely due to competition
over resources like healing and begging. Eventually,
the families were implicated in the deaths of
several local people, leading to the arrest of
14 individuals. My notes are vague. You may need
to just read this book if you want to know why
they were implicated in the deaths of several
local people. For now, we'll just leave it at
that. It sounds like several families within
the community have the equivalent of the pin
and red yarn cork board connecting everything
to these families. Yes. In the community. Yeah,
the whodunit map. Yeah, that's how I'm assuming
this happened. It was either the devices. And
you might be on either side, like you just fucking
hate one of them. Maybe you like the other. Maybe
you're impartial to the other, but there's one
that you just hate and everything's their fault.
I think that's the vibes we're getting. At the
trials, which took place in Lancaster in York
in the summer of 1612, the accused were charged
with causing harm through witchcraft, including
the deaths of 10 people. The trials were notorious
for the testimony of a young girl, Jeanette Device,
who acted as a key witness for the prosecution
despite her age. She testified against her own
family, possibly under pressure from the magistrate
Roger Nowall, which helped secure convictions,
though some of the accused, such as Alice Gray,
were found not guilty. In total, ten of the Pendle
Witches were found guilty and hung, while one
died in prison and another was acquitted. okay
despite her age okay so young probably saying
she's young at the time the 1600s like i think
you're an adult like 13 yeah so probably very
young yeah the pendle witch trials of 1612 were
part of a larger pattern of witch hunts in england
but were notably severe with the trials accounting
for over two percent of the total witch executions
during this period wow yeah These events also
reflect how accusations of witchcraft could be
driven by economic and social factors, with some
individuals using witchcraft as a way to gain
power or income in a time of widespread superstition
and religious tensions. Next up is the Würzburg
and Bamberg witch trials. This is back to 1620s
Germany. Mass executions in Europe's witch hunting
peak. The Würzburg witch trials which took place
between 1625 and 1631 in the Catholic Prince
Fischlprick of Würzburg in the Holy Roman Empire
were amongst the largest and deadliest mass witch
hunts in history. These trials resulted in the
execution of hundreds of people, including men,
women, and children from all social classes.
The trials were deeply influenced by the ongoing
Thirty Years War and the Catholic Counter -Reformation
as Prince Bishop Philip Adolf von Ehrenberg.
It's not to solidify Catholic. It was a mouthful.
But he has like every bad name in German. It's
true. Prince Bishop Philipp Adolf von Ehrenberg.
Okay. It could be worse, but it's not great.
That's one, two, three, four, five, six. And
there's a Vaughn in there, so I think that's
good. Sought to solidify Catholicism in a region
straddling Protestant and Catholic territories.
It is estimated that around 900 people were executed
in the Prince Bishopric with 157 confirmed executions
in the city of Wurzburg itself. I think that's
a lot. It's Wurzburg, right? Wurzburg, yeah.
Okay, is the war on the witches? The trials were
initiated under the influence of the Counter
-Reformation Zeal of Bishop Philip Adolf von
Ernberg, who aimed to eliminate perceived threats
to Catholic Orthodoxy, including witchcraft.
A witch commission was established which employed
brutal methods including torture to extract confessions.
The accused were often forced to name others
leading to a rapid expansion of the trials which
began with ordinary citizens and escalated to
include members of the clergy and even children.
Those accused were charged with a range of offenses
from murder to engaging in satanic rituals and
were executed by burning often after being tortured.
This is insane. It really is. 1600s, you don't
want to be there. If you're ever time traveling,
don't do it. Probably go for it. Oh, maybe not
forward. Maybe a little back. I probably go back
to like the 80s or 90s or something. That seems
like a good time. Depending on your skin color,
you got very different eras you can go to, but
like Europe during that time for anybody is pretty
different. Yeah, I'd probably just do the 80s
if it were me to play it safe. That was a pretty
good time. I was there just for the end, but
it was decent. Maybe early 90s seems okay. Just
an aside before we get back to apparently which
in German is Hexa. Oh, I like that! Which I'm
curious if that's where we get Hex from. It very
well could be. Seems about right. I'm gonna go
with yes. The trials were characterized by Widespread
fear and accusation sounds like it with entire
community suspecting one -third of the population
of the witchcraft I wonder if anybody is thinking
about the devices over here if they're that renowned
Do you think? Somebody's got their own court.
Yeah. Yeah, somebody like went over there Yeah,
and they're just like you ever hear about the
devices fucking bunch of son of bitches Yeah,
which is terrible which is all of them many high
-profile victims were involved including previous
children and nobles, which led to some of the
executions becoming infamous. The public nature
of the trials, with brutal executions taking
place in the city, attracted widespread attention.
I mean, sounds like it. Do you hear what's going
on in Wurzburg? There are freaking witches accusing
everybody. There's either witches or you're dead.
In 1629, a letter from a counselor described
the growing fear and constant arrests, with hundreds
of people, including many prominent figures,
being accused and executed. The trials reached
a crescendo in 1629 when an estimated 157 people
were executed in Wurzburg, with many more dying
in surrounding areas. The trials eventually ended
in 1631 after public condemnation, particularly
from the Holy Roman Emperor and complaints from
the influential families of the victims. The
Prince Bishop's death in 1631 and the occupation
of Würzburg by Swedish forces under Gustavus
Adolphus marked the end of the persecution. Despite
the horrific loss of life, the Würzburg witch
trials had a lasting legacy influencing witch
trials in other regions, particularly in Germany.
I find this one so crazy just because people
were being tortured and they're literally giving
anybody's name and I don't know why I guess when
you're being tortured like you're not just going
down alone they're like really pressing you for
like who are you in this with and they're not
taking no I'm not a witch is an answer they need
to know like who's in this with you harder when
you say that. Yeah. So I guess you're just like,
uh, the president of the United States, probably.
It would be notable that the pope had to step
in and say, whoa, guys, you're a little too violent
here. And at that time, the pope, like, I just
saw a thing about how the pope had his own executioner
for a while. It was probably around this time.
Yeah. I mean, they are, oh, what do you call
it when they go on their, um, trips to the holy
land. What are you going to say? What do they
call those? When all the Nazis go to Jerusalem
and they take it for Christianity. What do they
call those? The parting the Red Sea. No. Right?
The pilgrimage, isn't it? It's not a pilgrimage
because they're killing people along the way.
I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're talking
about. They kill people along the way? Yeah.
i've never heard of this is this something that
still happens no it well kind of we're kind of
living through it right now but go to the holy
land what do you call it he's real no that's
a whole other thing crusades the crusades oh
i am unfamiliar so i guess yeah the i think there's
probably a crusader or another going on time
and he's like whoa guys you gotta back off you're
being a little too violent i think i have to
look into this crusades because this sounds insane
maybe it should be a halloween episode sure maybe
next year It's the hardest on me. It's kind of
Christmas, see what you think about it. Either
that or we're just gonna redo the script for
a small one. It's either that or that. We only
got two options. There's no more ideas, guys.
Put the best ones on it. They said that's all
that's left. We literally had all our best ideas
on our first Christmas month. We probably did
it for two months. We did too much. Too hard,
too fast. Okay, we're on to the next witch trip.
Enough about Christmas. We're talking about Halloween.
Okay, next one. Torsaker witch trials. Probably
really mispronouncing this because now we're
into Sweden in 1675 and I only know Sweden from
Ikea's and I can't even pronounce those. So this
is the largest witch execution in Swedish history
and the Torsaker witch trials take place in 1675
in Torsaker Parish, Sweden. In one day, 71 people,
65 women, and 6 men were beheaded and burned.
This event was part of the larger witch hunt
frenzy known as Stora Ovasendet, which is an
Ikea cabinet now that's spread across Sweden.
Don't laugh. You can take your hat off on your
weekends. that spread across Sweden following
a witch trial in Dalarna in 1668. I didn't think
the British would come out as like the even -minded
people in dealing with their witches, with only
getting rid of about a dozen of them. It was
pretty big though, it was two percent, which
it doesn't seem like a big percent, but... Wow,
this one kills 65. I don't think Sweden has a
population. It is probably about half at this
point. I know, it just gets crazier and crazier,
right, in these witch trials. I didn't even order
it that way it just sort of happened on vibes
in swedish which is hexa really so that can't
be spelled differently but it's the same way
yeah it's almost like they share the same root
language yeah don't be sarcastic with me sometimes
i need you to be serious is it serious do they
apparently it could be rotunga what's the root
language in german i don't know Oh, I thought
you knew. German, a root language? Having that
you said that. I thought Germanic was the root
language for like most of Eastern Europe. It
is for English. Central Europe, I guess. I didn't
know if it might still have a root. Yeah. Okay.
Lutheran clergy, including Laurentius Christophori
Peranius, were tasked with investigating witchcraft,
and Horneus... The horneus of them. Okay. zealously
pursued accusations in Torsaker with many of
the charges stemming from children who claim
the accused had abducted children for satanic
rituals. It's a satanic panic all over again.
Did they take them down a toilet to the basement?
They probably did. People were flying like it
was just off the hook. The children were subjected
to extreme methods of interrogation, including
whipping and near drowning to extract confessions.
The trial led to about a hundred people being
accused, though it's unclear how many were convicted
and executed. The execution was brutal. After
a final sermon, the prisoners were led to a site
called the Mountain of the Stake. Oh no, where
they were decapitated and then burned. Oh no.
If you're gonna do this to somebody, that is
the right order, I think. Yeah, you wouldn't
want to be burned then decapitated. No. Yeah,
yeah. The families of the victims participated
in the grim task of burning the bodies. While
the Torsacker trials were among the largest,
they were also dubious in their legality. Local
authorities bypassed the required confirmation
of sentences from the High Court, making the
execution unlawful. Despite this no further executions
took place in Torsaker. The witch trials in Sweden
continued until 1676, eventually ending when
the authorities realized the child witnesses
had fabricated their testimonies. It's funny
because the satanic panic never actually ended
that way, the most recent one. No, it's kind
of still going. It's true. It was never really
put to rest. This one did. No one ever really
said, yeah, the kids are kind of full of shit.
This one really did. I will celebrate them for
that. At least they were like, you know what?
That's the end of that. That was fake. In 1975,
a memorial stone was erected in Torsacker to
honor the victims of this horrific event, and
horrific it was. That is a crazy story, which
takes us to the witch hunts in Scotland mentioned
earlier, especially in the North Berwick witches,
bring us back to 1590. before all of these I
think. accused of trying to kill King James the,
what's V1? That's six? Six, yeah. James the sixth
of Scotland, but Kim James the first of England.
Yeah, see, and you said that in the beginning,
see? It's all coming together now. Yeah. Yeah,
thank you for that. The North Berwick Trials,
which began in 1590, were among the earliest
and most significant witch hunts in Scotland,
implicating over 70 people and lasted, this is
nothing now, and lasted over two years. Trials
were set off by a sensational case involving
the royal family of Denmark and Scotland. King
James VI, while en route to Mary Anne of Denmark,
faced severe storms at sea, which were blamed
on witchcraft. She's Danish witches. Can you
imagine? I should start blaming everything on
witchcraft again. Causing all these waves. I'm
gonna bring it back. I'm gonna start blaming
things on witches. I think it's a good scapegoat,
right? I'm gonna take a witchcraft. Yeah Too
much of it. Yeah. No, it's like the rain is outside.
I'm just okay Piece of iron. I was just gonna
say is it cuz you're encountering too much witchcraft
on a certain day? Or is it because you want to
practice? I think I'm gonna take it as I think
there's witchcraft directed at me for the day.
You know what? That's progressive. I think that's
very progressive of us to be requesting that
in the future. Danish witches confess to using
sorcery to summon storms and this news prompted
Kim James to set up his own tribunal in Scotland
where several people including women and nobles
were accused of witchcraft. They can just freely
go ask the witches about it in Denmark. They're
like, oh yeah, yeah, we did that. We kind of
deserved it. And they don't do anything about
it. They feel so freely able to see that out
in the open in Denmark. Denmark's a fucked up
place from what I know about it. From everywhere
else in Europe at the time, apparently. Free,
so free. And you know what? That wind that you
experienced, that was me. That was me. I just
had a new spell, had to try it out. I didn't
kill you. Look at that, you're lucky. You just
got delayed. Many of the accused allegedly held
covens in North Berwick with confessions extracted
through brutal torture in Edinburgh. Among the
most notable accused were Aiden Assamson. Such
a Scottish name. An elderly woman who was tortured
into confessing her involvement in witchcraft
and attending a Sabbath with 200 witches. Oh
my god. That really caught 70? Yeah! That was
the 10th talk of its day! That's not even that
much compared to the 200. Yeah. They barely dent
in their witch population in Scotland. Yeah.
And Dr. John Fian, a schoolmaster who was also
tortured and eventually burned at the stake.
It doesn't sound confess to being a witch though,
or they would have said no didn't look like he
did confess to that at all Just a teacher. Yes
Just also a man which I don't know They can't
be witches, right? Like they're warlocks or wizards.
I think warlocks is technically the proper term.
Well, technically they're all falling into the
same thing right now because they're not discriminating
about... I haven't heard anything other than
witch. They are the minority when it comes to
people who were... That's not true. We heard
another term. Apparently the male term for a
witch is teacher. Yes. That's true, but I believe
it is warlock. I don't know. Yeah, I'm pretty
sure that's the right term. Yeah, let's go with
pretty sure on the podcast. We're pretty sure
about it. GLS Duncan, another accused, named
numerous individuals as accomplices including
Agnes Sampson and Dr. Fian. The trials were not
only religious but politically charged as they
implicated figures like Francis Stewart, 5th
Earl of Bothwell, and a supernatural plot. While
many were executed, the trials brought attention
to the brutal methods used during witch hunts,
including the use of searching for witch marks
and other forms of torture. Now, I did want to
elaborate a little more on these witch marks,
which was physical evidence used in the witch
trials of a person being - Yeah, it was your
deal with the devil, right? Like the devil had
to leave a mark on you for you to be a witch?
Basically, yes. So a witch's mark was a supposed
physical sign on the body that people in the
time were looking at believed showed someone
was a witch so yes it could have been like a
pact with the devil what have you and you know
what people from the 15 to 1600s are known for
impeccably beautiful skin, unblemished. Oh, completely.
Such good skincare back then. We can't even touch
it in this day and age. What we're looking for
that would count as a witch's mark would be a
mole, a birthmark, scar, a skin take, an extra
nipple. Witch hunters would look for these marks
during trials, and if they found one, they might
poke it with a needle. If it didn't bleed or
it didn't hurt, they took it as evidence of witchcraft.
In reality, of course, these were just normal
human features, obviously, I mean, we all know
that. Could you imagine if you knew that they
were looking for something that didn't hurt?
Even if it didn't hurt, you'd be like, ow! Yeah,
that's what I assume. Yeah, you would pretend
that it hurt. You've been tortured while this
is going on, so maybe you just can't register
the pain. That's true, that's true. Because you've
been put through a lot of pain. Yeah, so... Basically,
it was an ordinary spot on the body that you
got from making a pact with the devil and superstitious
people misinterpreted as proof of witchcraft.
Back to the story, the trials and their aftermath
left a significant cultural legacy. King James
VI writings on witchcraft including his triaties,
I don't know what that means, demonology, maybe
he rewrote it, maybe he wrote another chapter,
hard to say. were influenced by the trials and
spread to other regions including New England
where similar witch hunts took place. In March
2022 the Scottish government issued a formal
apology for the prosecution of witches during
the 16th and 17th centuries. The events of the
North Berwick witch trial have also been immortalized
in literature and popular culture including Shakespeare's
Macbeth which drew on themes from the trials
as well as novels and songs. that reflect the
tragic history of these early witch trial hunts.
And I wonder if it was also a racist trope against
the Scottish at the time that they were full
of warcraft. Yeah, it could have, yes. Because
for us, personally, it's full of druids. Yes,
of course, the McDucks. We all know that by this
point. Okay! Last but not least we got the Icelandic
witch trials which were unusual because it's
Iceland and second because most of the accused
were men and we were just kind of talking about
that but they're still called the witch trials
so they're Do you have it? Probably not. The
witch trials in Iceland were influenced by Danish
authorities during the 17th century when Iceland
was under Danish rule. These trials were introduced
as part of the efforts to enforce religious conformity
following the Reformation. Unlike much of Europe,
where witchcraft was associated with Satan and
often resulted in the persecution of women, Iceland's
view on magic was shaped by older Norse traditions
that distinguished between black which was evil
and white which was good magic. Initially, Icelanders
didn't see the magic as inherently linked to
the devil. The first sign of witchcraft persecution
came in 1564. This is a good length of time before
what we've been talking about. After a decree
ordered the reporting of all heresy, early trials
did not view witchcraft through the lens of Christian
demonology, but were focused on the harmfulness
of black magic. For example, in 1554, a priest
was exiled for using black magic to try and seduce
a girl. jeez that's yeah pretty tame compared
to some of the other magic that we've heard about
like inconveniencing a king's ship with the waves
however and that guy was like yeah i did that
wasn't punished in any way i'm a good witch i
make shit happen However, by the 17th century
Danish clergy brought with them Christian ideas
of witchcraft, particularly the notion of witches
making pacts with the devil. They just loved
that! They loved the packs of the devil. This
shift in belief was formalized by the introduction
of the Danish Witchcraft Act in Iceland in 1630.
Over the next few decades, witch trials escalated,
peaking between 1667 and 1685. What set Iceland
apart from other European witch trials was the
fact that most of those accused were men. Out
of 22 executions, 20 were men. Wow. On the last
one, we saw only like a few percent were men.
Chelsea, I just want to frame this because I
looked it up while you're doing this part. The
population of Iceland in the 1700s peaked at
50 ,000 and in about 1769 it was 46 ,000. So
20 people is a significant amount of people.
Wow, that's crazy. This male dominance in the
trials... linked to Icelandic traditions where
magic had been primarily practiced by men, particularly
those skilled in learning, which was associated
with literacy and higher education. I'm curious,
you did a like paranormal tour in Iceland, right?
I don't know if it was... They didn't really
talk about the witchcraft. I was gonna ask. They
talked about apples. They talked about a murder
-suicide that happened like a hundred years ago,
but they didn't really talk about the witch trials.
Witchcraft execution in Iceland occurred in 1683,
and the practice ended by 1686 when Denmark passed
a law requiring descendences for witchcraft to
be approved by the High Court in Copenhagen.
Following this, Copenhagen refused to confirm
any more executions for witchcraft, marking the
end of the trials in Iceland. The last condemned
witch, Clemus Svidjernsen? The Jarnson -Nasson?
Bjornson? Bjorn -Nasson. Bjornasson. That's what
I'm going with. Was transferred to Copenhagen
in 1692, but he was never executed. And that
is... the witch trials. It actually, it surprised
me a lot how many males were taken up in this,
as well as, at least in some of them, rich people,
like well -off people. Usually they get off scot
-free with most things. It was only that one.
Well, no, the king got involved in one of them.
He encountered some waves. Yeah, he might have
accidentally done the magic, but I don't think
he was doing the magic. I don't think he was
doing the magic. You got to think somewhere along
the line, though, one of the king was doing some
magic. Right? Well, you wrote a whole book on
the date. Yeah, at least one had to have done
some magic. Wait! Is he the King James that redid
the Bible? The first one? There has to be like
so many King James's though. Yeah, but you think
they would reference which King James it was
if it wasn't the first one? Well, you would think,
but this is my episode. No, sorry, I'm just thinking
I never put this together until just now that
this one who's obsessed with demons and hunting
down witches is also the one who may have created
the Bible that we use today. Well, that would
be nice, wouldn't it? Yeah, almost like it's
a weird blasphemous book. in that version. Huh.
That would be an interesting twist. One that
we didn't expect. You know what? While you're
pondering that, I do have to tell you that the
last person executed for witchcraft in Europe,
at least, was Anna Gjoldi in 1782. Do you know
where? No. Europe. Gotcha. Yeah. Europe for sure.
Okay. It's not geographically that big of a place,
so you get the general idea of it. And this was
very Europe -centric. It was, yeah, because I
think there were at least one more which trial
you could have done in North America, but it
was very European. I like that. Yeah. Because
then you can shift from there and do different
areas. Yeah, we can't put all our eggs in one
basket from the holiday episode as we've worked
with Christmas. Don't explore everything too
early. Yeah, so that's witch trials. That's Halloween
episode number one. I hope it got you into the
spirit of practicing witchcraft Yeah, and you're
legally allowed to in Canada. They got they got
rid of that law. It's true. So Yeah, you can't
be hung. It's for trial. Well, not only how does
it go again? I don't think it's illegal to pretend
to practice witchcraft anymore I'm pretty sure
they got rid of section 3 5 the Canadian criminal
code that was in there Yeah, pretending practice
witchcraft my favorite law. I think it's gone.
Well, anyhow Thank you for listening to Journey
to the Fringe. If you have liked what you have
listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or
follow. venue you are listening to us through.
Also, please, if possible, leave a five -star
review, as that really helps us in the algorithms.
Should you wish to interact with us, please check
us out on your social media of choice. I bet
you we are there. And if you really want to communicate
with us and give us ideas for new episodes or
tell us that we're wrong and terrible, either
way, please send us an email at journeytothefringe
at gmail .com. For now, I'll see you in the next
episode.