WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:13.279 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:17.320 to JTT Fringe. Now, Chelsea, I learned from a 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.839 politician that you can seem more interesting 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.679 than you actually are if you just use the initials 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.710 of your first few words. That's nice. We are 00:00:25.710 --> 00:00:29.570 your podcast host TNC here today doing somewhat 00:00:29.570 --> 00:00:32.049 of a follow up on an episode, but I didn't want 00:00:32.049 --> 00:00:33.909 to make it a two parter. So it's not really, 00:00:33.929 --> 00:00:37.149 but it kind of is. Anyhow, I think the easiest 00:00:37.149 --> 00:00:40.609 way to explain it is a few episodes ago, we did 00:00:40.609 --> 00:00:43.750 the Government of Canada's UFO readiness response, 00:00:43.810 --> 00:00:46.570 basically of how we're dealing with UFO sightings. 00:00:46.590 --> 00:00:49.189 Good episode. And I mentioned in that episode, 00:00:49.189 --> 00:00:51.890 it was really long, really in -depth, and there 00:00:51.890 --> 00:00:53.890 was parts I had to cut that may be their own 00:00:53.890 --> 00:00:56.189 episode, and this one is its own episode. The 00:00:56.189 --> 00:00:58.729 report itself was the Management of Public Reporting 00:00:58.729 --> 00:01:00.950 of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon in Canada, 00:01:01.149 --> 00:01:03.750 came out in June 2025, written by the Office 00:01:03.750 --> 00:01:05.959 of the Chief Science advisor of Canada under 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:08.000 what's called the Sky Canada project. Again, 00:01:08.219 --> 00:01:11.000 I would love this job. This would be a nice job 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.379 for me, I feel like. Yeah. I don't know if Chelsea, 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.579 you just, I don't think you have the resume or 00:01:15.579 --> 00:01:18.400 the schooling background to be hired by the office 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.359 of the chief science advisor of Canada. Based 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:24.519 on the title, I would say no, but I could dream. 00:01:28.109 --> 00:01:31.609 At this point in my life, I can't say it's possible, 00:01:31.810 --> 00:01:35.349 but you never know. Stranger things can happen. 00:01:35.890 --> 00:01:38.510 Wolves became orcas. Going back to the ocean 00:01:38.510 --> 00:01:40.769 and being stuck there. Who would have thought 00:01:40.769 --> 00:01:44.750 that? So I have hopes. Just an aside, I've always 00:01:44.750 --> 00:01:48.129 thought it's so weird that wolves went from like 00:01:48.129 --> 00:01:52.030 these brave, rugged, strong creatures of the 00:01:52.030 --> 00:01:54.569 forest to pugs. But I do think it is actually 00:01:54.569 --> 00:01:56.730 weirder that they became orcas and blue whales. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.079 How come they just became everything on this 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.620 fucking planet? They really did. Are we wolves? 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.980 We gotta look into this further. Anyhow, that's 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:10.460 for a different time. We came to that at the 00:02:10.460 --> 00:02:14.680 same time. Yep. It's like how everything is corn. 00:02:17.309 --> 00:02:21.349 That was good stuff. Okay, continue. There's 00:02:21.349 --> 00:02:24.469 a portion of this paper that specifically talks 00:02:24.469 --> 00:02:27.569 about reporting systems in other countries and 00:02:27.569 --> 00:02:30.490 the reporting system as it stands in Canada today, 00:02:30.490 --> 00:02:33.430 which I did somewhat take out. And that's what 00:02:33.430 --> 00:02:35.610 this is going to cover today. Reporting structure 00:02:35.610 --> 00:02:39.330 in Canada for seeing UFO currently, as well as 00:02:39.330 --> 00:02:41.669 other countries throughout the world that were 00:02:41.669 --> 00:02:44.509 looked at and researched for this paper's purpose. 00:02:44.460 --> 00:02:47.479 Interesting. I thought it would give us a good 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:50.280 oversight because I basically know about MUFON 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.860 and a few other things that you might be reporting 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:55.379 to. But outside of that, I think it's a pretty 00:02:55.379 --> 00:02:59.219 gray area for most people. Outside MUFON, which 00:02:59.219 --> 00:03:02.919 is sketchy at best given their history. But people 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.500 report UFOs everywhere. Like they report them 00:03:05.500 --> 00:03:08.000 to podcasts. They report them, I don't know, 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.580 probably to the newspaper. People don't know 00:03:10.580 --> 00:03:14.300 where necessarily to report a UFO. Yeah. In fact, 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.000 I really like that there's one part in the paper 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.199 where people kept calling us to report UFOs, 00:03:20.219 --> 00:03:22.319 despite the fact on our website it says, do not 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.819 call us about this. See, that's just people being 00:03:25.819 --> 00:03:28.500 so people -y. Yeah, let's face it, like a good 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:32.060 20 % of all UFO sightings just go in one ear 00:03:32.060 --> 00:03:35.000 and out the other of George Norrie. George, yeah, 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.840 George Norrie. George Norrie, you said it right. 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.120 Yeah. who gives literally no thought. He just 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.080 makes the stupidest comment back. Yeah. Let's 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.599 get into this because it is a bit longer, but 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.680 I think it's still a reasonable length and we'll 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.020 just start. Oh, one important thing. The Office 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:55.020 of the Chief Science Advisor shortens to OCSA. 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.340 It's one of the opening things that we need to 00:03:58.340 --> 00:04:01.180 know. So crap. I always hate remembering these. 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.340 I don't think you could remember this one that 00:04:03.340 --> 00:04:06.520 much. Okay, good. Okay. And the next one I think 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.439 you're gonna know too when we get to it. I think 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.139 you'll know. We'll see. The OCSA, which we just 00:04:12.139 --> 00:04:14.680 discussed, consulted with and gathered this information 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.540 from federal government departments and agencies 00:04:16.540 --> 00:04:19.540 as well as from several non -governmental organizations 00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:21.819 and individual interests in UAPs. Federal departments 00:04:21.819 --> 00:04:24.120 and agencies were asked specific questions aimed 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.120 at understanding the role they played, if any, 00:04:26.620 --> 00:04:29.480 in UAP report management. That's the next acronym 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.399 I thought you would know. Oh, sorry. What was 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.009 it? UAP. Oh yeah, I did know that. But I forgot 00:04:36.009 --> 00:04:38.990 the other one when it stands for again. Oh, science 00:04:38.990 --> 00:04:43.779 something. Canada's science agency. Sure. I don't 00:04:43.779 --> 00:04:45.699 think it matters too much, you may give what 00:04:45.699 --> 00:04:49.379 you will. Specifically, they were asked whether 00:04:49.379 --> 00:04:51.420 the Canadian public is contacting their organization 00:04:51.420 --> 00:04:54.319 for UAP sightings, if so, how frequently, what 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.899 follow -up is done, and how is the information 00:04:56.899 --> 00:04:59.100 safeguarded. These consultations revealed that 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:01.439 federal departments and agencies do receive UAP 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:04.019 sightings, information, and reports from their 00:05:04.019 --> 00:05:06.439 stakeholders and the public. However, few of 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:08.199 these organizations are currently investigating 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.300 these sightings unless they pertain to specific 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:13.389 aspects of their respective mandates, such as 00:05:13.389 --> 00:05:15.949 national security, transportation safety, or 00:05:15.949 --> 00:05:18.509 public safety, and those instances are fairly 00:05:18.509 --> 00:05:21.290 rare. Additionally, most departments do not compile 00:05:21.290 --> 00:05:23.110 the reports they receive, making it difficult 00:05:23.110 --> 00:05:25.149 to provide information on the number of reports 00:05:25.149 --> 00:05:27.550 or the type of responses given. So the first 00:05:27.550 --> 00:05:29.569 one they look at, Transport Canada, shortened 00:05:29.569 --> 00:05:32.810 to TC and NAV Canada. Transport Canada is the 00:05:32.810 --> 00:05:35.529 federal department responsible for road, rail, 00:05:35.750 --> 00:05:38.629 marine, and air transportation. Its civil aviation 00:05:38.629 --> 00:05:41.329 directorate collects reports on various incidents 00:05:41.230 --> 00:05:43.870 including UAP sightings from pilots, air traffic 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:45.970 controllers, and the public. These reports are 00:05:45.970 --> 00:05:48.529 shared publicly through the Civil Aviation Daily 00:05:48.529 --> 00:05:58.470 Occurrence Report System, KADORS. which is accessible 00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:01.529 on Transport Canada's KDORS website. Specifically, 00:06:01.750 --> 00:06:03.810 KDORS collects and distributes basic information 00:06:03.810 --> 00:06:06.509 on incidents involving Canadian registered aircrafts 00:06:06.509 --> 00:06:08.750 at Canadian airports in Canadian sovereign space 00:06:08.750 --> 00:06:11.230 and international airspace for which Canada has 00:06:11.230 --> 00:06:14.339 accepted responsibility. NavCanada is a private, 00:06:14.420 --> 00:06:17.079 not -for -profit corporation. It has been Canada's 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.000 air navigation service provider since 1996. It 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.600 oversees air traffic activity through a sophisticated 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.160 network of area control centers, air traffic 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.800 control ATC towers, flight service stations, 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.899 maintenance centers, flight information centers, 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:32.199 and navigation aids across the country. In the 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.680 case of UAP sightings, pilots typically report 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.360 their sightings to the nearest ATC tower, flight 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:39.439 service station, or other air traffic units. 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.639 These units file an aviation Currents Report, 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:45.420 AOR, with NAV Canada, which subsequently gets 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:48.939 sent to Transport Canada's CADORS team for assessment 00:06:48.939 --> 00:06:51.800 and processing. UAP siting reports from the public 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.259 can be reported to Transport Canada through the 00:06:54.259 --> 00:06:56.680 Online Aviation Incidence Report application. 00:06:56.910 --> 00:06:59.589 Reports filed in this way may also be published 00:06:59.589 --> 00:07:01.889 through CADORS, provided they meet the criteria 00:07:01.889 --> 00:07:04.449 for inclusion. Analysts at Transport Canada use 00:07:04.449 --> 00:07:07.670 these UAP reports to create a CADORS report based 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:11.509 on the details of the occurrence. These are then 00:07:11.509 --> 00:07:14.610 assigned as events in CADORS, under three categories 00:07:14.610 --> 00:07:16.410 depending on the information provided. Weather 00:07:16.410 --> 00:07:19.589 Balloon, Meteor, Rocket, UFO, and Intelligence 00:07:19.589 --> 00:07:22.069 Sighting. That's all one category, just so we're 00:07:22.069 --> 00:07:25.449 on the same page. Laser Interference, or Other 00:07:25.449 --> 00:07:28.480 Operational Incident. They really throw you off 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.439 with that first one being like six. Weather balloon, 00:07:32.939 --> 00:07:35.100 meteor, rocket, UFO, and intelligence sighting. 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.459 I wonder under which one the rocket man that 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:41.620 they spotted at LAX would fall under. That would 00:07:41.620 --> 00:07:44.339 be the first one. Weather balloon, meteor, rocket, 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.180 UFO, and intelligence sighting. I would think 00:07:47.180 --> 00:07:50.279 that's an intelligence sighting. Super impressed 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.560 right now with how forthcoming they are with 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.379 the information of how exactly the process works. 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.319 Examination of KDOR's reports allows for follow 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.540 -up on high -risk events while looking for trends 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:04.839 in emerging risks or aggregated analyses by Transport 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:06.839 Canada. Further follow -up may be undertaken 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:08.959 by various organizations including Transport 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.639 Canada, NAV Canada, the Transportation Safety 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.720 Board of Canada, and the North American Aerospace 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.319 Defense Command, NORAD. NAV Canada provides about 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.500 80 % of the aviation occurrence information in 00:08:18.500 --> 00:08:21.079 each CADORS record. Other sources of information 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.240 used to create or supplement a CADORS record 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.699 include the information received from the Transportation 00:08:25.699 --> 00:08:29.040 Safety Board, TSB, and the RCMP, and aircraft 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.620 operators and other agencies. NAV Canada is also 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:33.600 responsible for the collection, evaluation, and 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.200 dissemination of special messages called NOTAM. 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.100 NOTAMs are short -term notices filed by NAV Canada 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:41.820 to alert aircraft pilots of potential hazards 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:44.600 along a flight route or at locations that could 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.720 affect a flight such as presence of wildlife, 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.320 volcanic ash, ash warnings, satellites, rocket 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.639 launches, solar storms, etc. In January 2024, 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.840 CTV News reported on Transport Canada's Cador's 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.500 online database. They identified only 17 events 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:01.759 reported by pilots in 2023 that could be considered 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.039 UAPs, spanning all types of occurrences and sightings. 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:09.179 As such, UAP sightings make up a very small portion, 00:09:09.500 --> 00:09:13.759 about 0 .08 % of all incidences reported by pilots. 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.860 They are so rare in cadors that Transport Canada 00:09:16.860 --> 00:09:19.259 is not incentivized to dedicate time and effort 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:22.200 to explaining them. In fact, when such incidents 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.679 do not raise serious safety concerns, Canadian 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.779 authorities do not even investigate further. 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:31.230 Next up, Canadian Coast Guard, CCG. This is a 00:09:31.230 --> 00:09:33.590 special operation agency within Fisheries and 00:09:33.590 --> 00:09:36.710 Oceans Canada, and I should say that one is very 00:09:36.710 --> 00:09:39.570 in -depth, not all of them are that long. This 00:09:39.570 --> 00:09:42.669 paragraph, this, the Coast Guard is a paragraph. 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.200 CCG is a special operations agency within Fisheries 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.600 and Oceans Canada. Its mission is to ensure the 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.840 safety of mariners in Canadian waters, protect 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.759 Canada's marine environment, and support the 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:55.779 safe and efficient movement of maritime trade. 00:09:55.980 --> 00:09:59.120 The CCG rarely receives reports of UIPs, although 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.600 it has procedures on how to treat such reports. 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.279 As part of its annual notice to mariners, procedures 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:06.820 on what are termed vital intelligence sightings, 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.700 any waterborne objects which appears to be hostile, 00:10:09.779 --> 00:10:11.919 suspicious, or unidentified should be reported 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:16.059 and handled as a Merrent messages are transmitted 00:10:16.059 --> 00:10:18.879 to the nearest most convenient Canadian or U 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.299 .S. Coast Guard station. From 2010 to 2022, only 00:10:22.299 --> 00:10:26.539 two Merrent reports were filed, both to the CCG's 00:10:26.539 --> 00:10:29.240 western region. Strangely enough. But that's 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.820 where that ends. Okay. Next up, Department of 00:10:31.820 --> 00:10:34.220 National Defense D &D. The Skype Canada Project 00:10:34.220 --> 00:10:36.700 focuses primarily on the civilian aspects of 00:10:36.700 --> 00:10:39.340 UAP sightings in Canada, excluding military sightings 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:41.720 and processes. Nonetheless, meetings were held 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.220 with representatives of the Department of National 00:10:43.220 --> 00:10:47.080 Defense, North American Aerospace... They defined 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:50.019 NORAD like four times now, and they just still 00:10:50.019 --> 00:10:53.620 write it out and then say NORAD. Sorry, just 00:10:53.620 --> 00:10:56.919 an angry aside. The Canadian Armed Forces and 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.700 Defence Research and Development Canada, DRDC, 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:02.100 to discuss the goals of the Sky Canada project 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:04.220 and receive any information they wanted to share. 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:07.639 DRDC, the scientific research arm of DND, has 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.480 informed the OCSA that it has no formal programs 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.860 on UAPs and no capacity or mandate to collect, 00:11:13.899 --> 00:11:16.450 receive, or analyze citizens. The Royal Canadian 00:11:16.450 --> 00:11:19.370 Air Force, RCAF, does not typically investigate 00:11:19.370 --> 00:11:21.669 sightings of unexplained phenomena. Outside the 00:11:21.669 --> 00:11:24.289 context of investigating potential threats or 00:11:24.289 --> 00:11:27.289 distress, the RCAF collaborates with the US Federal 00:11:27.289 --> 00:11:29.450 Aviation Administration and Transport Canada 00:11:29.450 --> 00:11:32.210 to enforce safety and security regulations. Media 00:11:32.210 --> 00:11:34.850 reported that the RCAF represented the Canadian 00:11:34.850 --> 00:11:38.450 Armed Forces at a May 2023 Five Eyes briefing 00:11:38.450 --> 00:11:41.289 on UAP that I would love to know more about because 00:11:41.289 --> 00:11:44.309 we have a whole episode on Five Eyes. The informal 00:11:44.309 --> 00:11:46.870 meeting was hosted by the United States at the 00:11:46.870 --> 00:11:49.210 Pentagon where a presentation on UAPs was made 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:52.490 by the U .S. All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, 00:11:52.649 --> 00:11:55.210 AARO. While the details of the meeting remained 00:11:55.210 --> 00:11:57.570 classified, it was characterized as boosting 00:11:57.570 --> 00:12:00.809 cooperation on reporting and analyzing unexplained 00:12:00.809 --> 00:12:03.850 events. The OCSA was not able to access first 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:05.889 -hand information about this meeting, which makes 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:10.110 a lot of sense. Next up, the National Research 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:12.649 Council of Canada. As mentioned in our prior 00:12:12.649 --> 00:12:16.149 episode, from 67 to 95, the NRC was the main 00:12:16.149 --> 00:12:18.210 federal government organization responsible for 00:12:18.210 --> 00:12:21.710 receiving UAP sightings reports in Canada. Within 00:12:21.710 --> 00:12:25.370 NRC, they are collated by the Herzberg Institute 00:12:25.370 --> 00:12:27.669 of Astrophysics and kept under the responsibility 00:12:27.669 --> 00:12:30.929 of Dr. Peter Millman in his non -meteoric sighting 00:12:30.929 --> 00:12:33.470 case report, a term referring to cases unrelated 00:12:33.470 --> 00:12:38.200 to meteors. Thanks for explaining that. The files 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.720 gathered by the NRC were transferred to the Library 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.139 and Archives Canada, LAC, in 1995, where they 00:12:44.139 --> 00:12:46.799 are accessible to the public. The NRC continues 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:48.860 to receive occasional requests for information 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:51.600 on archived UAP -related documents. According 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.000 to their records, they processed about 40 inquiries 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.039 related to UAPs over the last decade. These included 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.679 sightings, questions, media requests. These inquiries 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.679 were referred to other government departments 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.200 such as Department of Transportation and LAC, 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:07.419 as well as the Local Astronomy Club. such as 00:13:07.419 --> 00:13:09.539 Centres of the Royal Astronomical Society of 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:12.379 Canada. Next up, Library and Archives Canada, 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.120 LAC, which again, they are terrible at defining 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.580 things so they continue to define them later 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:20.340 on. The LAC's collection of government records 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:25.039 on UAPs includes files from 1947 to 1995, primarily 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.700 received from four federal organizations. DND, 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.399 Department of Transport, National Research Council 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.460 of Canada, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:34.980 all of which they defined earlier and they refuse 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:37.919 to use their acronym. except in that one sentence 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.460 that Chelsea could not stop laughing at. Next 00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:43.679 up, RCMP. Most municipalities and provinces in 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.299 Canada do not have their own police services. 00:13:46.419 --> 00:13:48.700 They rely on the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.820 the RCMP, which again, this is like the fifth 00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:55.000 time they've said it. They write it out and then 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.720 they put in brackets RCMP. At that point, just 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:07.190 move on. The RCMP serves approximately 73 % of 00:14:07.190 --> 00:14:10.230 Canada's landmass and holds a federal investigative 00:14:10.230 --> 00:14:12.549 mandate across the entire country. Consequently, 00:14:12.889 --> 00:14:15.590 the RCMP receives reports of UAPs from the public 00:14:15.590 --> 00:14:17.970 throughout Canada. However, the RCMP generally 00:14:17.970 --> 00:14:20.350 does not investigate sightings as its operational 00:14:20.350 --> 00:14:23.149 focus is on public safety and criminal investigations. 00:14:23.350 --> 00:14:26.289 Currently, the RCMP does not have a formal policy 00:14:26.289 --> 00:14:28.590 for the collection or dissemination of UAPs. 00:14:28.460 --> 00:14:31.279 reports. As a result, there is no classification 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.200 system specific to UAPs. Such reports are typically 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.019 categorized as non -offense, brackets non -criminal, 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.840 incidents under the Aeronautics Act, other activities. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.440 This classification also encompasses a variety 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:44.620 of other vessel sightings within airspaces. When 00:14:44.620 --> 00:14:46.860 members of the public contact the RCMP, the nature 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:48.820 of the call is assessed and classified before 00:14:48.820 --> 00:14:50.740 an investigation is undertaken. However, there 00:14:50.740 --> 00:14:53.159 is no specific guidance for RCMP call takers 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.639 or members regarding UAP reports. The calls can 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.679 be categorized as suspicious via for example, 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:01.299 and loss in a large number of non -UAP reports. 00:15:01.460 --> 00:15:03.980 It was therefore impossible for the RCMP to provide 00:15:03.980 --> 00:15:07.039 statistics about UAP reports. Yeah, I can see 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.820 it. Yeah. Historically, the RCMP has conducted 00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:12.220 some investigations into unidentified flying 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:14.679 objects, and many of these records have been 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:16.799 declassified and are publicly available through 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.440 the LAC. During consultations with the OCSA, 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.460 the RCMP acknowledged the growing public interest 00:15:22.460 --> 00:15:25.120 and proliferation of misinformation and disinformation 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:27.149 on the subject. They noted the potential value 00:15:27.149 --> 00:15:29.889 of a dedicated office responsible for providing. 00:15:30.169 --> 00:15:32.330 factual information and serving as a centralized 00:15:32.330 --> 00:15:34.789 body for which UAP reports could be referred. 00:15:35.009 --> 00:15:36.769 This would allow the RCMP to stay focused on 00:15:36.769 --> 00:15:38.830 criminal investigations and threats to public 00:15:38.830 --> 00:15:41.850 safety. Additionally, the RCMP coordinates with 00:15:41.850 --> 00:15:43.730 provincial and municipal police departments as 00:15:43.730 --> 00:15:45.990 needed. The primary mission of these local and 00:15:45.990 --> 00:15:48.149 provincial police services is to ensure public 00:15:48.149 --> 00:15:50.309 safety and they typically approach UAP related 00:15:50.309 --> 00:15:53.370 calls. From this perspective, the RCMP consultation 00:15:53.370 --> 00:15:55.649 with these organizations revealed that they lack 00:15:55.649 --> 00:15:57.909 standardized systems for collecting and organizing 00:15:57.909 --> 00:16:00.539 UAP reports. Like the RCMP MP, these local and 00:16:00.539 --> 00:16:03.120 provincial police departments recognize the potential 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.379 benefits of a centralized body for which local 00:16:06.379 --> 00:16:11.929 UAP sightings could be directed. caring about 00:16:11.929 --> 00:16:14.350 it, but it's also like I think the most likely 00:16:14.350 --> 00:16:17.210 place for somebody to call if they saw one. That 00:16:17.210 --> 00:16:19.909 was my exact train of thought. I don't know how 00:16:19.909 --> 00:16:23.230 to contact the Department of Transport or the 00:16:23.230 --> 00:16:26.289 Department of Defense. Exactly. I don't know 00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:28.610 if that's the first place I go to because I'm 00:16:28.610 --> 00:16:31.610 not a huge fan of the RCMP. Also, you're not 00:16:31.610 --> 00:16:34.110 in an RCMP jurisdiction, I'm pretty sure. No, 00:16:34.169 --> 00:16:38.049 I don't think I am, but. At the same time, anyhow, 00:16:38.330 --> 00:16:40.169 that was my train of thought. It makes sense 00:16:40.169 --> 00:16:41.769 they're not keeping track of it because they're 00:16:41.769 --> 00:16:45.470 the police. However, like aviation, yeah, I could 00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:48.309 see it, but that's probably not going to be like 00:16:48.309 --> 00:16:51.110 someone every day being like, I have to report 00:16:51.110 --> 00:16:53.789 this to Cadors. I don't know how you say it. 00:16:53.830 --> 00:16:57.100 Yeah, whatever. It's an acronym, pronounce it 00:16:57.100 --> 00:16:59.519 however you want. It's all coniferous to me. 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.419 Next up, Canadian Space Agency, the CSA. The 00:17:02.419 --> 00:17:04.980 mission of the CSA is to promote the peaceful 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:08.059 use and development of space to advance the knowledge 00:17:08.059 --> 00:17:10.640 of space through science and to ensure that space 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.200 science and technology provide social and economic 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.920 benefits for Canadians. See right there, you 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.339 need to get the UFOs with these guys because 00:17:18.339 --> 00:17:21.079 then they can pay us and that's an economic benefit 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.799 to Canadians. The CSA is not currently involved 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:47.970 in any UAP issues. No. Same. However, another 00:17:47.970 --> 00:17:50.670 logical option. I will say that this is also 00:17:50.670 --> 00:17:52.369 taking a twist because I did not expect this 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:55.730 next group. Environment and Climate Change Canada. 00:17:56.150 --> 00:17:59.589 Okay. Because the Meteorological Services of 00:17:59.589 --> 00:18:02.750 Canada fall under the MSC, which is part of the 00:18:02.750 --> 00:18:05.140 Environment and Climate Change Canada. provides 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:07.799 weather and environmental forecasting services 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.779 and information to Canadians. Not logical at 00:18:10.779 --> 00:18:12.960 all. Do you think it would come up on the radar 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.519 for you? When you're like, oh, I just saw a UFO. 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:19.640 Where do I report this? And you're thinking my 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.259 local weatherman. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Sobel. 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:25.940 See, I think he was an anchor, wasn't he? No, 00:18:25.940 --> 00:18:29.200 I think he's the weatherman. OK. This is like 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:35.039 20 years ago. 40 years ago almost. Ha ha ha. 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.859 The MSC gets many inquiries related to meteorological 00:18:38.859 --> 00:18:42.200 features, weather, water quantity, ice, air quality, 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.759 and climate, as well as the instruments and data 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.460 it manages. Some of these inquiries concern lines 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:50.420 or clouds that frequently form behind aircrafts. 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.319 Oh, during flight, they definitely get asked 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.059 so much about chemtrails, apparently. Like that 00:18:55.059 --> 00:18:57.420 I could see, but it's crossing the line into 00:18:57.420 --> 00:19:01.400 UFOs and the site. Yeah, those are still IFOs, 00:19:01.460 --> 00:19:03.980 the airplanes putting the chemtrails out. Yeah. 00:19:05.309 --> 00:19:07.809 Not commonly referred to as condensation trails 00:19:07.809 --> 00:19:09.529 or con trails. These con trails are composed 00:19:09.529 --> 00:19:11.650 primarily of water vapors that condense creating 00:19:11.650 --> 00:19:13.990 visible streaks in the sky. This topic frequently 00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:16.049 becomes the subject of speculation and is often 00:19:16.049 --> 00:19:18.130 associated with conspiracy theories that typically 00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:20.650 involve allegations of secret government programs 00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:23.410 such as geoengineering or chemical dispersal 00:19:23.410 --> 00:19:26.630 and occasionally linked the trail to UAPs. I 00:19:26.630 --> 00:19:28.470 find it really interesting they decided to take 00:19:28.470 --> 00:19:32.750 time out of this busy report to acknowledge chemtrails. 00:19:33.009 --> 00:19:34.440 Like one of the few times they thought about 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.380 another conspiracy. They probably had to like 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:41.500 get each sector's response to what they're also 00:19:41.500 --> 00:19:43.500 saying like give us a summary of what you do 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:45.880 and what you get as far as UFOs and reporting 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:47.720 as they're putting it together and they're like 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:50.680 can you just throw in so people will leave us 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.589 alone about chemtrails? Well, I almost wonder 00:19:54.589 --> 00:19:57.130 if that is the point where they started to take 00:19:57.130 --> 00:19:58.609 that direction, where they're like, hey, you 00:19:58.609 --> 00:20:01.069 have to clip this in the bud, or the conspiracy 00:20:01.069 --> 00:20:03.670 theorists take it and they go a very weird direction. 00:20:03.849 --> 00:20:06.269 I can see it might as well put it in the UFO 00:20:06.269 --> 00:20:08.529 report. They do end up talking about that in 00:20:08.529 --> 00:20:10.829 the UFO report quite extensively, which I quite 00:20:10.829 --> 00:20:13.710 liked. And I'm wondering if that's true. No, 00:20:14.910 --> 00:20:17.410 the um, nipping conspiracy theories early and 00:20:17.410 --> 00:20:20.509 addressing news early and I'm wondering if this 00:20:20.509 --> 00:20:22.910 is where it took that direction. It very well 00:20:22.910 --> 00:20:25.809 could have. While MSC responds to all queries, 00:20:26.150 --> 00:20:28.369 they do not catalog, collect, analyze, or curate 00:20:28.369 --> 00:20:30.210 the numerous requests they receive. Standard 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:33.490 responses may be used for common questions. ECCC 00:20:33.490 --> 00:20:36.130 also operates a weather application that provides 00:20:36.130 --> 00:20:38.269 the public with scientific explanation for weather 00:20:38.269 --> 00:20:40.730 phenomena. MSC stated that their resources are 00:20:40.730 --> 00:20:42.609 fully committed to the weather forecasting and 00:20:42.509 --> 00:20:44.650 enterprise with no capacity to take on additional 00:20:44.650 --> 00:20:47.109 responsibilities like analyzing boards. Oh man, 00:20:47.150 --> 00:20:49.250 they are strapped right at the edge of their 00:20:49.250 --> 00:20:53.559 financial allowance. At the individual level, 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:55.880 several journalists and commentators currently 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.079 cover UAP issues in Canada. For example, Daniel 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.599 Otis is a Canadian journalist recognized for 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.680 his reporting over the last few years on UAPs 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.880 and related topics. He has explored various aspects 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.740 of UAPs including government and military investigations 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:12.859 as well as public perceptions. His articles often 00:21:12.859 --> 00:21:14.960 examine the implications of sightings and the 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:16.880 growing interest from both the public and authority 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.119 in understanding these phenomena. Christian Page 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.319 is another respected journalist in this field. 00:21:21.349 --> 00:21:24.369 known for his research and writing on UAPs and 00:21:24.369 --> 00:21:26.670 the paranormal. He has contributed to discussions 00:21:26.670 --> 00:21:28.609 regarding the implications of UAP sightings, 00:21:28.710 --> 00:21:30.490 including their potential impact on science, 00:21:30.829 --> 00:21:33.130 government policy, and public perception. Page 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:36.109 frequently investigates the intersection of technology, 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:38.250 defense, and the unexplained phenomena observed 00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:41.329 in the skies. He has also advocated for transparency 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:43.829 and further research into UAPs, emphasizing the 00:21:43.829 --> 00:21:46.170 need for a systematic approach to understanding 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:48.769 these occurrences. Together, Otis and Page and 00:21:48.769 --> 00:21:52.009 others serve as key figures in the public conversation 00:21:52.009 --> 00:21:54.609 on UAPs, each using their platforms to push for 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:57.109 greater transparency, accountability, and understanding 00:21:57.109 --> 00:21:59.569 in their public fields. I just found that really 00:21:59.569 --> 00:22:01.670 interesting that they decided to include a few 00:22:01.670 --> 00:22:03.910 journalists. I would be interested to take a 00:22:03.910 --> 00:22:05.690 look at them because I bet you anything they're 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:09.150 not like Bill Moore who worked for MUFON. Bill 00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:13.420 Moore yet. That's true. It's true. They have 00:22:13.420 --> 00:22:16.779 not had their 1989 Mufon Symposium. They just 00:22:16.779 --> 00:22:21.319 haven't had enough time to mature. That or Mufon 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.220 Symposiums just aren't what they used to be. 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.000 It's true. I don't think they are. Those really 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.119 were the glory days. That is their section on 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.420 the Canadian government's ability to handle a 00:22:31.420 --> 00:22:34.150 UFO report. What do you think? It really took 00:22:34.150 --> 00:22:37.210 a turn at the end there where you don't report 00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.069 them. So I'm kind of interested to see where 00:22:40.069 --> 00:22:42.930 this leads us to. I think it is fairly clear 00:22:42.930 --> 00:22:45.609 in the reading. Nobody actually wants to do this. 00:22:45.690 --> 00:22:48.509 The only one who seems to actually do it is the 00:22:48.509 --> 00:22:52.349 Department of Transport because they are required 00:22:52.349 --> 00:22:56.130 to. Yeah, for safety reasons, which makes sense. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.500 Outside of that nobody seems to want it. Yeah, 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.180 but they're not the logical place to be doing 00:23:02.180 --> 00:23:05.740 it like space They're not dealing with anything 00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:09.299 on earth. So why would they want to? Yeah, exactly 00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:12.839 Meteorological and climate change like why the 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.000 fuck would they deal with it? Like it doesn't 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.779 make sense for them to be dealing with it I don't 00:23:17.779 --> 00:23:20.700 think it's just a matter of do you want to because 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:23.359 if I worked at any of these places I would be 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.980 like, yeah, I think we should do that and then 00:23:25.869 --> 00:23:28.089 then there'd be a higher up being like, don't 00:23:28.089 --> 00:23:31.549 be ridiculous. We look at climate change. No, 00:23:31.809 --> 00:23:34.450 you need to do your real job. You can't look 00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:38.750 at the UFOs. Exactly. And I'd be like, well, 00:23:38.809 --> 00:23:41.410 I'm pretty sure I could. Just do this. We get 00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:44.829 enough UFO reports and they'd be like, no, you're 00:23:44.829 --> 00:23:48.990 definitely... We're definitely paying you to 00:23:48.990 --> 00:23:51.890 do a different job. That's just how I feel like 00:23:51.890 --> 00:23:54.130 the conversation would go if I worked there. 00:23:54.230 --> 00:23:57.089 I mean, it makes sense in the end. I think it's 00:23:57.089 --> 00:23:59.970 hilarious that the government took time to put 00:23:59.970 --> 00:24:03.390 this all together to look at every single place 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:06.650 that somebody might report a UFO to. Can you 00:24:06.650 --> 00:24:10.619 imagine how awkward the people at these administrations 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:13.000 must have felt when they like got called up by 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.440 the chief science advisor's office, Canada. They're 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.140 like, hey, we need to know your reporting structure 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:21.400 for UFOs and UAVs. You gotta think. And having 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.359 to look into it. And they're like, fuck, we got 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.450 nothing. We got nothing. I mean, and we don't 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:30.609 want it either. I know. Exactly. You know, you 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:33.769 got to think there might be more because, you 00:24:33.769 --> 00:24:36.289 know, there are pretty stupid people out there 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:38.930 and you might think it's just called up like 00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:41.710 the prime minister's office. The government got 00:24:41.710 --> 00:24:44.529 to know they have. I have to report this to the 00:24:44.529 --> 00:24:46.569 government and it's either something like the 00:24:46.569 --> 00:24:49.769 prime minister or it's something like housing 00:24:49.769 --> 00:24:55.539 or something like that. It's like any area. He 00:24:55.539 --> 00:24:58.380 needs a home! It might just be, you know, just 00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.980 any government number they can find and they 00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:03.440 call and they're like, hello? Yes? Housing? I 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.619 would like to report a UFO. Hello, yes. Do you 00:25:06.619 --> 00:25:09.579 have a complaint about your job? No, I just want 00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:12.079 to report a UFO. Can you tell me who I could 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.059 speak to? To be fair though, I think specifically 00:25:16.059 --> 00:25:19.319 eliminating those ones eliminates more of the, 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.900 say, crazy people, UFO reported. That's true 00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:25.059 because they can't even logically put it together. 00:25:25.059 --> 00:25:27.740 You need to at least come to a logical location 00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:31.519 for us to take it seriously. Which I find reasonable. 00:25:32.730 --> 00:25:35.970 So we have figured it out. Those are all the 00:25:35.970 --> 00:25:39.369 logical places that you would report it, perhaps. 00:25:39.549 --> 00:25:42.130 And not even logical because most of those places 00:25:42.130 --> 00:25:44.390 don't take it. OK, we've come to this point. 00:25:44.670 --> 00:25:47.289 So that's Canada. And now Canada has decided 00:25:47.289 --> 00:25:50.049 to grace us with a nice introduction to many 00:25:50.049 --> 00:25:52.450 countries for reporting structures. And they 00:25:52.450 --> 00:25:56.130 start off the back into how the US handles it, 00:25:56.230 --> 00:25:58.890 which I was surprised that it was not MUFON. 00:25:59.029 --> 00:26:01.710 In fact, Chelsea, this is extensive, surprising. 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.819 Oh God, I'm nervous for this one. Over the past 00:26:04.819 --> 00:26:07.480 several years. The US makes me nervous now. Yeah. 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.440 To be fair, again, most of this report was written 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:14.160 pre. Trump. And that guy who has two initials 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.039 for his name. Yeah, that guy. He's so cool. I 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:18.619 mean, your personality's gotta be great if you're 00:26:18.619 --> 00:26:21.220 using two initials. Anyhow, over the past several 00:26:21.220 --> 00:26:23.180 years, the U .S. government has ramped up its 00:26:23.180 --> 00:26:25.480 efforts to gather and analyze data related to 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.859 UAPs. Increased government interest and commitment 00:26:27.859 --> 00:26:30.359 to the scientific study of UAPs culminated in 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.819 the creation in 2022 of All Domain Anomaly Resolution 00:26:33.819 --> 00:26:36.240 Office, AERO, in the Pentagon. The objective 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.680 of AERO is to investigate government reports 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.559 of UAPs, improve data collection standardized 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.859 reporting requirements and mitigate the potential 00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.700 threat to safety and security posed by UAPs. 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.579 Its mission is to, quote, minimize technical 00:26:49.579 --> 00:26:52.680 and intelligence surprise by synchronizing scientific 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.500 intelligence and operational detection, identification, 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.480 attribution, and mitigation of identified anomalous 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.720 phenomena in the vicinity of national security 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.200 areas, end quote. In February 2024, Arrow released 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.440 volume one of two of a study that reviews all 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.839 U .S. government investigative efforts and programs 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.960 on UAPs from 45 to the present. And this kind 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.069 of flew under the radar for me. This seems like 00:27:17.069 --> 00:27:19.809 a lot bigger than I thought it. Yeah, I guess 00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:22.910 so. I mean, I'm not looking at like all of this 00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:26.250 stuff though when it comes to UFOs. I feel like 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:29.190 this is completely out of the range of where 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:32.630 I pay attention to. Which is 25, 40 years ago. 00:27:32.930 --> 00:27:36.049 Yes. Yes. It was a beautiful time back then. 00:27:38.309 --> 00:27:41.670 On June 1, 2024, Aero released its second report 00:27:41.670 --> 00:27:46.049 on 757 UAP reports from May 1, 2023 to June 1, 00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:49.690 2024, as of the publishing date. 174 cases were 00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:52.230 resolved and found to be objects such as balloons, 00:27:52.369 --> 00:27:55.009 birds, unmanned aerial systems, satellites, and 00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:57.289 aircrafts. Of the remaining unresolved cases, 00:27:57.630 --> 00:27:59.769 Aero continues to collect and analyze the information 00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:01.950 by working with military and technical partners. 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.910 Aero underscores that to date, they have discovered 00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:07.470 no evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity, 00:28:07.690 --> 00:28:10.829 or technology. In parallel, the National Aeronautics 00:28:10.829 --> 00:28:13.150 and Space Administration, NASA, undertook an 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:15.390 independent study to evaluate how it can contribute 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:17.670 to ongoing government effort. The report released 00:28:17.670 --> 00:28:20.410 in September of 2023, focused on how best to 00:28:20.410 --> 00:28:23.509 collect future UAP data to advance their scientific 00:28:23.509 --> 00:28:26.289 study. It also defines a multi -faceted approach 00:28:26.289 --> 00:28:28.930 to the scientific study of UAPs, acknowledging 00:28:28.930 --> 00:28:31.369 the need for collaboration across different sectors 00:28:31.369 --> 00:28:33.890 and disciplines. Similar to the AERO report, 00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:36.630 the independent study team's review of unclassified 00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:38.869 government documents found no evidence of extracurricular 00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:41.109 activity. Following the release of the report, 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:43.509 NASA announced the creation of the position of 00:28:43.509 --> 00:28:46.190 Director of Unidentified Phenomenal Research 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.920 further study and coordinate research efforts. 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.839 I did not know that was a position. I feel like 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.839 I'm directly qualified for this position probably. 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.539 What was it again? I'm gonna apply right now. 00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.980 Director of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:04.759 Research. I'm applying right now. I'm just looking 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.099 for the job posting. Okay, I think it's... Oh 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.220 no, Mark McHenry. He was appointed in September 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:16.420 2023. What a cool job. Can you imagine dinner 00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:19.559 parties. I thought that guy's cool. And apparently 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.119 this was all brought on by Biden. So the incursion 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.119 of four high -altitude balloons here in early 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.799 2023 prompted President Biden to ask the U .S. 00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:28.460 intelligence community to take a closer look 00:29:28.460 --> 00:29:31.079 at the UAP issue. He directed an interagency 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.680 team to study the broader policy implications 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:38.000 for detection, analysis, and disposition of unidentified 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.559 area phenomena that pose either safety or security 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.009 risks. The president also announced his staff 00:29:44.009 --> 00:29:47.329 would engage with their relevant foreign counterparts 00:29:47.329 --> 00:29:49.609 in order to share information and try to gain 00:29:49.609 --> 00:29:51.670 their perspectives as well. Do you think that 00:29:51.670 --> 00:29:53.849 he still holds it or do you think he was ex? 00:29:54.150 --> 00:29:59.519 Biden? No. Mark McKinney just from that how to 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.200 pronounce the last thing I'm gonna say he's still 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.819 there cuz nobody wants that like call him into 00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:09.980 their office Lastly the safe airspace for Americans 00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.640 act was introduced in January of 2012 or the 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.019 bill proposes that Federal Aviation Administration, 00:30:15.019 --> 00:30:17.519 FAA, develop procedures for reporting, collecting, 00:30:17.779 --> 00:30:20.259 storing, investigating, and analyzing UAP incidents. 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.579 The legislation also seeks to protect witnesses 00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:25.640 who report sightings of UAPs from adverse consequences 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.359 such as medical disqualification or reprisals 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.720 from employers or the government based solely 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.720 on their reporting of UAPs. That's the end of 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.630 this portion. That last part is a big deal because 00:30:37.630 --> 00:30:40.450 we've actually seen in a few cases that we've 00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:43.190 looked at where people, first off, don't go public 00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:45.029 with their case because they're worried about 00:30:45.029 --> 00:30:48.269 their job. And then it's with Rendlesham Forest. 00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:50.630 There's at least one serviceman who can't see 00:30:50.630 --> 00:30:53.269 his record, correct? Like his medical record? 00:30:53.450 --> 00:30:57.970 Right, so he wasn't covered for his medical issues 00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:00.690 that came up in conjunction with it because they 00:31:00.690 --> 00:31:03.529 blocked out the record so he couldn't prove that 00:31:03.529 --> 00:31:06.809 he... What was it that he incurred this happened 00:31:06.809 --> 00:31:10.049 to him while he was on duty? I had no idea. In 00:31:10.049 --> 00:31:13.210 my mind, the Republicans have just taken the 00:31:13.210 --> 00:31:15.970 UFO. Like it's their thing. the democrats have 00:31:15.970 --> 00:31:18.069 just ignored it but apparently biden was actually 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:21.450 a really good ufo president that's good i did 00:31:21.450 --> 00:31:24.869 not know that because he made nasa do that one 00:31:24.869 --> 00:31:32.910 yeah i'm happy with it anyhow next up is mexico 00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:35.990 it is not as extensive most reports of uap sightings 00:31:35.990 --> 00:31:38.309 in mexico come through media outlets independent 00:31:38.309 --> 00:31:41.019 researchers and social media which play a significant 00:31:41.019 --> 00:31:42.680 role in documenting and spreading information 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.359 about such events. In September of 2023, the 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.240 Mexican Congress held hearings on UAPs, including 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.319 a presentation on mummified bodies of extraterrestrials. 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:54.400 This evidence was later debunked by Mexican scientists. 00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.500 Spoiler alert for when we get to that episode. 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.119 You were aware of that going on, right, Chelsea? 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.400 They were looking at that Nazca Line body? Vaguely. 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.980 I didn't follow it closely. No, and we'll have 00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:07.299 to do that episode at some point. Yeah. Well, 00:32:07.299 --> 00:32:10.329 it's just ruined now. Yeah. Don't worry, nobody 00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:15.769 listens past the 20 -minute mark, I'm sure. Next 00:32:15.769 --> 00:32:19.450 up, Chile. The Sifa section for the study of 00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:23.430 anomalous aerial phenomena, which is not surprisingly 00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:25.950 what the acronym should say, but I'm not saying 00:32:25.950 --> 00:32:29.970 the Spanish version. Oh, that's too bad. That 00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:36.430 was beautiful, thank you. Perfect. Didn't even 00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:40.680 have to roll an R. I know. Yours says your Spanish 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:45.539 is too advanced. I speak the pure form of Spanish, 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.200 closer to German. It serves as the official body 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.140 in Chile responsible for collecting, analyzing, 00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:56.000 and scientifically studying UAPs. It operates 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.980 within the General Directive of Civil Aeronautics, 00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:02.339 DGAC, of the Chilean Air Force. The primary mission 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:05.359 of CFA is to gather information on UAPs ported 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.740 by airline crews or the general public. This 00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:09.940 information is analyzed to assess any potential 00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:12.420 risk to the safety of air operations and national 00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:15.480 security. One notable aspect of CFA's operation 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.119 is its commitment to transparency. The organization 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.720 makes its findings and information regarding 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.180 UAPs available to the public, aiming to foster 00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:25.710 openness and understanding of these phenomena. 00:33:26.069 --> 00:33:28.970 CFA publishes monthly report detailing the cases 00:33:28.970 --> 00:33:32.410 it has investigated and closed allowing interested 00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:34.809 individuals to stay informed about its activity. 00:33:34.990 --> 00:33:36.569 That's kind of surprising that they're one of 00:33:36.569 --> 00:33:39.269 like the more advanced ones but also thinking 00:33:39.269 --> 00:33:42.309 about it like Chile separated from most its neighbors 00:33:42.309 --> 00:33:46.029 by like two rugged to pass over mountains. Right 00:33:46.029 --> 00:33:48.650 I forgot about that. If they're going to be invaded 00:33:48.650 --> 00:33:52.339 it's probably by air. and or c but like you bring 00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:56.000 up a super good point far away for everybody 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.980 yeah but the other way that's a very good point 00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:01.819 yeah that also leads me to my next point is i 00:34:01.819 --> 00:34:05.099 wonder what country is the most advanced in their 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:08.119 studies in uaps it's probably china china's in 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.039 here we will get to them But I think this next 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.519 one's going to be up there in the running, and 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.579 that is France. If I was to guess, it probably 00:34:15.579 --> 00:34:18.659 would have been one of my top 10. France's government 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:21.440 funded organization charged with managing UAP 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.039 reports is housed within its space agency CNES, 00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:30.099 the Center National. or National Center for Space 00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:33.059 Studies. That's probably why... That's where 00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:35.139 Jacques Vallée was, yeah. That's not what I was 00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:38.119 going to say, but that's probably why Canada 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.599 was like, we don't look at anything that's not 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.960 space because France, that's their thing, space. 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.159 The CNES office called Gaipan, which I'm not 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.039 even going to attempt. Like they don't even have 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.659 the French version. I think I had to attempt 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:55.420 it. That stands for the Unidentified Aerospace 00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:58.260 Phenomena Research and Information Group has 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:03.579 been studying UAPs since 1977. Its mission is 00:35:03.579 --> 00:35:06.579 to collect, investigate, and archive UAP reports 00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:08.619 and make its findings available to the public. 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.460 By anonymizing sightings, GAPAN allows further 00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:15.159 study of observed phenomena by external scientific 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.719 teams. The principles guiding GAPAN include low 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.719 operational public service, respect for witnesses, 00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:23.159 and a commitment to transparency, neutrality, 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.579 and objective investigation. GAYPAN has a full 00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:33.860 team of three full -time employees. I'm pleased 00:35:33.860 --> 00:35:36.300 to manage the reporting process. Members of the 00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.840 public can file a UAP siting report through a 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.500 forum that is available online. Reports are investigated 00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:44.599 through the efforts of over 20 trained volunteers 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.059 throughout France. GAYPAN has a large number 00:35:47.059 --> 00:35:49.179 of government partners including the Military, 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.639 Civil Aviation, Meteorological Office, Alternative 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.360 Energies and Atomic Energy Commission, and the 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.340 French National Police, among others. Okay. and 00:35:58.340 --> 00:36:01.059 external contacts from complementary fields including 00:36:01.059 --> 00:36:03.920 astronomy, aeronautics, meteorology, psychology, 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:06.820 imaging, drone technology, and electromagnetism 00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:10.420 as many more. GAYPAN's steering committee is 00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:13.079 chaired by an established aerospace expert and 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.300 includes representatives of the country's civil 00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.599 and military authority. The steering committee's 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.719 mission is to analyze the performance of GAYPAN 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.119 and make recommendations. The French organization 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.079 Misunderstandings of the Sky also receives UIP 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.170 sightings from GAYPAN and the public. This organization 00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:31.090 helps educate the public about the mischaracterization 00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:33.869 of UAPs. While it is difficult to establish a 00:36:33.869 --> 00:36:37.130 direct causal relationship between these investigative 00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:39.610 efforts and changes in public perspective, there 00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:42.170 are indications that in France, UAP -related 00:36:42.170 --> 00:36:44.989 conspiracies are decreasing and are less prevalent 00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:48.510 compared with other countries. Which, pairing 00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:51.269 that with knowing the outcomes of this report, 00:36:51.369 --> 00:36:57.019 you can see what they're trying to emulate. public 00:36:57.019 --> 00:36:59.260 and meet their goal. Do you think it's like to 00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:02.280 around elementary schools and do presentations, 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.599 commercials? I would be really curious, actually. 00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:09.500 There's town crier at UFOs. There's no longer 00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:13.119 a stigma. Read all about it. No, that's not the 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.760 town crier. But how would they achieve that? 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.219 I wonder. Yeah, Chelsea, you did the 1920s paper 00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:22.019 boy routine. Yeah, I did. I did do that. They're 00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:25.400 very close. It's like, coniferous and coniferous. 00:37:25.769 --> 00:37:28.489 Yeah, I'm just curious though, like how would 00:37:28.489 --> 00:37:32.170 they achieve that? And I'm only thinking like 00:37:32.170 --> 00:37:35.909 commercials, maybe like ads on Prime, maybe? 00:37:36.630 --> 00:37:39.369 I mean, yeah, that's a fair point. Before you 00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:42.989 watch the boys, you need to know that this UFOF 00:37:42.989 --> 00:37:45.329 that was spotted in your area has been debunked. 00:37:45.309 --> 00:37:48.809 It also, it blows me away that there are like 00:37:48.809 --> 00:37:51.690 three paid people in all of France and they have 00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:56.150 a robust UAP system that is wanted to be emulated. 00:37:56.309 --> 00:37:59.269 Well, they probably offload a lot, right? It 00:37:59.269 --> 00:38:02.550 sounds like it. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. What's the next 00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:06.590 one? Germany. Germany. Yeah. The purest of languages. 00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:10.909 For over 50 years. Germany's contact point for 00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:14.230 UAP reporting has been the GEP. Society for Research 00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:17.949 into the UFO Phenomena, a Ludenscheid -based 00:38:17.949 --> 00:38:21.269 non -profit citizen science organization. The 00:38:21.269 --> 00:38:23.550 GEP receives public reports of UAP sightings 00:38:23.550 --> 00:38:26.090 and makes its findings public. Since 1980, it 00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:28.389 has published its findings in its bi -monthly 00:38:28.389 --> 00:38:31.710 journal Führer UFO Forschung, Journal of UFO 00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:34.150 Research. According to GEP's annual report, they 00:38:34.150 --> 00:38:36.750 have received an average of 300 per year from 00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:40.550 2022 to 2024. Over 90 % of reports received have 00:38:40.550 --> 00:38:43.610 been explained as conventional cases. causes 00:38:43.610 --> 00:38:45.969 with the remainder being unexplained due to efficient 00:38:45.969 --> 00:38:49.489 data. Next up, Italy. Italy has two well -known 00:38:49.489 --> 00:38:53.170 private non -profit UAPs, the CUN, National Ufological 00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:57.110 Center, and CISU, the Italian Center for Ufological 00:38:57.110 --> 00:39:00.389 Studies. They were established in 65 and 85 respectively. 00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:03.030 Both are involved in collecting and cataloging 00:39:03.030 --> 00:39:06.329 testimonies of UAP sightings and Republic reporting. 00:39:06.590 --> 00:39:09.809 The two organizations are also provided access 00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:12.090 to the Italian Ministry of Defense's unclassified 00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:14.750 UAP investigation, which are carried out by the 00:39:14.750 --> 00:39:17.269 Italian Air Force, which clearly shows that there 00:39:17.269 --> 00:39:19.130 was another group they should have talked to, 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:21.570 the Ministry of Defense's UAP investigations 00:39:21.570 --> 00:39:25.269 reporting. Yeah. Next up, UK. The United Kingdom 00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:28.590 Ministry of Defense was in charge from 1950 to 00:39:28.590 --> 00:39:31.050 2009. From the outset, the Ministry of Defense 00:39:31.050 --> 00:39:33.769 set up a working group under its chief science 00:39:33.769 --> 00:39:37.130 advisor to study the UFO phenomena. In June 1951, 00:39:37.269 --> 00:39:39.269 the working group concluded that UFO sightings 00:39:39.269 --> 00:39:42.230 could be explained by astronomical or meteorological 00:39:42.230 --> 00:39:44.630 phenomena, misidentification of aircraft, balloons, 00:39:44.989 --> 00:39:47.769 birds, optical illusions, and psychological delusions 00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:49.929 and deliberate hoaxes. It recommended that, quote, 00:39:50.070 --> 00:39:52.440 no further investigation of reported mysterious 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.059 aerial phenomena be undertaken unless and until 00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:57.579 some material evidence becomes available." End 00:39:57.579 --> 00:39:59.559 quote. Nonetheless, the Ministry of Defense kept 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.239 a UFO hotline and email address as well as a 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.380 small team of investigators. It published annual 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:07.679 reports from 97 to 2009, listing dates, times, 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:09.840 locations, and brief descriptions of all UFO 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.539 sightings. The Ministry of Defense closed its 00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:14.139 program in 2009. Since then, UAP sightings in 00:40:14.139 --> 00:40:17.480 the UK can be reported to local parties or associations 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.659 like the British UFO Research Association, Buflora. 00:40:20.909 --> 00:40:24.449 Which is a great acronym, Bufora. Yeah, we heard 00:40:24.449 --> 00:40:26.690 it on the last one, right? Next up, surprisingly 00:40:26.690 --> 00:40:30.750 enough, is the European Union, which, might surprise 00:40:30.750 --> 00:40:36.630 you, has nothing. As an entity, the European 00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:39.590 Commission considers that the area of UAPs is 00:40:39.590 --> 00:40:41.309 under the jurisdiction of the Member States, 00:40:41.530 --> 00:40:43.630 which allows them to address these phenomena 00:40:43.630 --> 00:40:45.789 according to their national security. Makes a 00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:49.610 lot of sense. Yeah. Next up, Japan. According 00:40:49.610 --> 00:40:52.849 to media sources, Japan's defense minister instructed 00:40:52.849 --> 00:40:56.230 the Japanese defense forces in 2020 to record 00:40:56.230 --> 00:40:58.969 and photograph any object they encounter or that 00:40:58.969 --> 00:41:01.510 enters Japanese airspace and to take steps for 00:41:01.510 --> 00:41:04.230 the necessary analysis of those sightings. This 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:06.110 directive underscores the importance placed on 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:08.570 monitoring and documenting UAPs by the Japanese 00:41:08.570 --> 00:41:10.769 government, as well as the recognition of the 00:41:10.769 --> 00:41:13.429 need for thorough analysis and investigation 00:41:13.429 --> 00:41:15.690 including information provided by the public. 00:41:15.969 --> 00:41:18.309 The Japanese military announced in February 2023 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.719 a new policy to consider unidentified drones 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.760 as legitimate targets to be shot down. It does 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.059 make a lot of sense that they want to take UAP 00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:29.380 seriously because they do worry about China a 00:41:29.380 --> 00:41:33.239 lot and like anything coming in the sky to their 00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.780 island could be coming from China. Yeah. And 00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:38.559 finally, we're going to finish off with China 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.219 here. The rise of UAP research in China coincided 00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:44.460 with the country's reform period in the late 00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:46.900 1970s. As part of the first wave of reforms, 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.579 public interest in UAPs began to emerge. In September 00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.920 of 1979, students in Wuhan University established 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.469 the China UFO Enthusiast Liaison Office. which 00:41:57.469 --> 00:42:00.289 later evolved into the China UFO Research Association. 00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:02.690 The association expanded, opening branches in 00:42:02.690 --> 00:42:05.050 other cities. The Journal of UFO Research, founded 00:42:05.050 --> 00:42:09.070 in 1981 in Lanzhou by the Gansu People's Publishing 00:42:09.070 --> 00:42:12.030 House, became the most widely read UAP research 00:42:12.030 --> 00:42:14.610 magazine in Asia. Following the success of the 00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:17.429 China UFO Research Association, several localized 00:42:17.429 --> 00:42:19.650 societies were established, including the Beijing 00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:23.090 UFO Society, which was founded in 1984. During 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:25.610 the 1990s, interest in UAPs and extraterrestrial 00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:28.380 life surged, as state media began covering the 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:30.820 topic and publishing restrictions were relaxed. 00:42:31.179 --> 00:42:34.159 However, the China UFO Research Association disbanded 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.380 recently. China has a dedicated task force within 00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:40.699 the People's Liberation Army to investigate the 00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:43.280 unidentified aerial phenomenon. This task force 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.420 employs a multi -tiered reporting system to manage 00:42:46.420 --> 00:42:49.159 UAP sites, collecting data from military radar 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.639 stations, Air Force pilots, police stations. 00:42:51.869 --> 00:42:54.110 Weather stations and observatories affiliated 00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:56.590 with the Chinese Academy of Science reports undergo 00:42:56.590 --> 00:42:59.469 preliminary analysis of regional military command 00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:01.690 or being centralized in a national database. 00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:04.510 To handle the vast amount of data and identify 00:43:04.510 --> 00:43:08.909 patterns, the PLA, which I think is the People 00:43:08.909 --> 00:43:11.869 Liberation Army, utilizes artificial intelligence 00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:14.289 to assess the nature and potential threat level 00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:16.739 of these phenomena. This approach enables the 00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.719 PLA to rapidly determine whether observed objects 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.500 are foreign aircrafts, natural occurrences, or 00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:25.599 potentially otherworldly origins. Apparently 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.440 they're the only ones using the AI. That's crazy. 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.260 Yeah. Yeah, they take it seriously. I don't know 00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:34.400 if AI is taking it seriously. Really? Because 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.219 they had a whole section in this report about 00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:39.940 using AI. I mean, fair enough. But yeah, I'll 00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:42.420 see that is that's more than I knew before about 00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:44.500 many countries hoarding systems, including our 00:43:44.500 --> 00:43:47.380 own. That was quite a lot of information to take 00:43:47.380 --> 00:43:49.699 in. Is that the end of the episode? That is the 00:43:49.699 --> 00:43:51.880 well, sorry, that's the end of my script. I will 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.059 say it that way. Based on this, Taylor, well 00:43:55.059 --> 00:43:59.340 not necessarily based on this. Where is the best 00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:03.639 place to report a UFO? CADOR? CADERS? In Canada? 00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:06.619 Yeah. I think it's MUFON. This was just covering 00:44:06.619 --> 00:44:08.260 the government side of it. Do you think it's 00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:11.260 still MUFON? If you want a government response, 00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:15.360 I do think it is probably CADORS. I think. You 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.599 don't think? Government response is probably 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.599 not what you're looking for. So it is probably. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.840 or your local chapter of MUFON, whatever that 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.440 may be. I think they stretch fairly worldwide. 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.639 Yeah, they're in a lot of places. I don't think 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.159 it's everywhere, but they are in a lot of places. 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.159 Yeah, I know we do have them in Canada as well. 00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:42.320 And even with the Bill Moore thing. And what 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:48.719 was the military people? Three. Doty? The birds? 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.019 The Florida one. Oh, what was his name? I can't 00:44:54.019 --> 00:44:56.280 remember off the top of my head. Even with that 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.079 one Florida guy, and I know you have so many 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.019 Florida guys going on down there, you won't know 00:45:02.019 --> 00:45:04.980 who it is because they're all fucking insane. 00:45:06.619 --> 00:45:08.940 Golf Breeze, I can't remember his name off the 00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:10.719 top of my head. Yeah, yeah, Golf Breeze, that 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.880 was the one. Okay, so we're thinking Mufon is 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.860 the best place. We'll link up, I think, Cadors 00:45:17.860 --> 00:45:21.159 in this if you want to make a report and Mufon, 00:45:21.460 --> 00:45:23.659 just in case, because Cadors as well, you can 00:45:23.659 --> 00:45:25.659 take a look through the reports. So we should 00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:28.119 probably link those up in the episode. Super 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.880 informative. I can't believe that our government 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.639 put that out. I can't believe how many governments 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.460 actually, I wonder if people actually realize 00:45:36.460 --> 00:45:39.260 that governments are like looking into these 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:41.900 things and tracking them. Yeah, I mean, people 00:45:41.900 --> 00:45:44.900 like to put a lot of nefariousness behind it 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:47.380 or think about it as wasted money. But it is 00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:50.360 something I, it's something that should be studied. 00:45:50.380 --> 00:45:53.480 But then there's a whole other, I agree, I 100 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.219 % agree. I think there's a whole other sector 00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:59.679 with, I don't know, I get to start a poll, a 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.300 personal poll with everyone. come into contact 00:46:02.300 --> 00:46:04.099 with them, whether they think it's a waste of 00:46:04.099 --> 00:46:07.579 money to study UFOs within the government, even 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:10.980 if it's just three people. The people that listen 00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:12.980 to our show are going to a ton of dinner parties, 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.199 and I think they should be pleasing me. Oh yeah, 00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:19.940 we so should be. Yeah, I'm going to start asking 00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:23.920 people because I think there's a fair amount 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.099 of people that would think that, you know, even 00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.860 three people for the whole country would be fair, 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:32.610 but The other thing, France does it robustly 00:46:32.610 --> 00:46:35.849 and they employ three people. Exactly, exactly. 00:46:36.030 --> 00:46:39.670 And it's France. The other thing that I wanted 00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:45.130 to ask was, oh, no, it's slipping away. I forgot. 00:46:45.869 --> 00:46:47.550 Well, hey, that's OK, because I'm sure we're 00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:50.230 at a pretty good time at this point. I have been 00:46:50.230 --> 00:46:53.570 T here with C. We are JTT Fringe. Thank you all 00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:55.650 for listening. We'll see you next week. Bye.