From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome
to JTT Fringe. Now, Chelsea, I learned from a
politician that you can seem more interesting
than you actually are if you just use the initials
of your first few words. That's nice. We are
your podcast host TNC here today doing somewhat
of a follow up on an episode, but I didn't want
to make it a two parter. So it's not really,
but it kind of is. Anyhow, I think the easiest
way to explain it is a few episodes ago, we did
the Government of Canada's UFO readiness response,
basically of how we're dealing with UFO sightings.
Good episode. And I mentioned in that episode,
it was really long, really in -depth, and there
was parts I had to cut that may be their own
episode, and this one is its own episode. The
report itself was the Management of Public Reporting
of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon in Canada,
came out in June 2025, written by the Office
of the Chief Science advisor of Canada under
what's called the Sky Canada project. Again,
I would love this job. This would be a nice job
for me, I feel like. Yeah. I don't know if Chelsea,
you just, I don't think you have the resume or
the schooling background to be hired by the office
of the chief science advisor of Canada. Based
on the title, I would say no, but I could dream.
At this point in my life, I can't say it's possible,
but you never know. Stranger things can happen.
Wolves became orcas. Going back to the ocean
and being stuck there. Who would have thought
that? So I have hopes. Just an aside, I've always
thought it's so weird that wolves went from like
these brave, rugged, strong creatures of the
forest to pugs. But I do think it is actually
weirder that they became orcas and blue whales.
How come they just became everything on this
fucking planet? They really did. Are we wolves?
We gotta look into this further. Anyhow, that's
for a different time. We came to that at the
same time. Yep. It's like how everything is corn.
That was good stuff. Okay, continue. There's
a portion of this paper that specifically talks
about reporting systems in other countries and
the reporting system as it stands in Canada today,
which I did somewhat take out. And that's what
this is going to cover today. Reporting structure
in Canada for seeing UFO currently, as well as
other countries throughout the world that were
looked at and researched for this paper's purpose.
Interesting. I thought it would give us a good
oversight because I basically know about MUFON
and a few other things that you might be reporting
to. But outside of that, I think it's a pretty
gray area for most people. Outside MUFON, which
is sketchy at best given their history. But people
report UFOs everywhere. Like they report them
to podcasts. They report them, I don't know,
probably to the newspaper. People don't know
where necessarily to report a UFO. Yeah. In fact,
I really like that there's one part in the paper
where people kept calling us to report UFOs,
despite the fact on our website it says, do not
call us about this. See, that's just people being
so people -y. Yeah, let's face it, like a good
20 % of all UFO sightings just go in one ear
and out the other of George Norrie. George, yeah,
George Norrie. George Norrie, you said it right.
Yeah. who gives literally no thought. He just
makes the stupidest comment back. Yeah. Let's
get into this because it is a bit longer, but
I think it's still a reasonable length and we'll
just start. Oh, one important thing. The Office
of the Chief Science Advisor shortens to OCSA.
It's one of the opening things that we need to
know. So crap. I always hate remembering these.
I don't think you could remember this one that
much. Okay, good. Okay. And the next one I think
you're gonna know too when we get to it. I think
you'll know. We'll see. The OCSA, which we just
discussed, consulted with and gathered this information
from federal government departments and agencies
as well as from several non -governmental organizations
and individual interests in UAPs. Federal departments
and agencies were asked specific questions aimed
at understanding the role they played, if any,
in UAP report management. That's the next acronym
I thought you would know. Oh, sorry. What was
it? UAP. Oh yeah, I did know that. But I forgot
the other one when it stands for again. Oh, science
something. Canada's science agency. Sure. I don't
think it matters too much, you may give what
you will. Specifically, they were asked whether
the Canadian public is contacting their organization
for UAP sightings, if so, how frequently, what
follow -up is done, and how is the information
safeguarded. These consultations revealed that
federal departments and agencies do receive UAP
sightings, information, and reports from their
stakeholders and the public. However, few of
these organizations are currently investigating
these sightings unless they pertain to specific
aspects of their respective mandates, such as
national security, transportation safety, or
public safety, and those instances are fairly
rare. Additionally, most departments do not compile
the reports they receive, making it difficult
to provide information on the number of reports
or the type of responses given. So the first
one they look at, Transport Canada, shortened
to TC and NAV Canada. Transport Canada is the
federal department responsible for road, rail,
marine, and air transportation. Its civil aviation
directorate collects reports on various incidents
including UAP sightings from pilots, air traffic
controllers, and the public. These reports are
shared publicly through the Civil Aviation Daily
Occurrence Report System, KADORS. which is accessible
on Transport Canada's KDORS website. Specifically,
KDORS collects and distributes basic information
on incidents involving Canadian registered aircrafts
at Canadian airports in Canadian sovereign space
and international airspace for which Canada has
accepted responsibility. NavCanada is a private,
not -for -profit corporation. It has been Canada's
air navigation service provider since 1996. It
oversees air traffic activity through a sophisticated
network of area control centers, air traffic
control ATC towers, flight service stations,
maintenance centers, flight information centers,
and navigation aids across the country. In the
case of UAP sightings, pilots typically report
their sightings to the nearest ATC tower, flight
service station, or other air traffic units.
These units file an aviation Currents Report,
AOR, with NAV Canada, which subsequently gets
sent to Transport Canada's CADORS team for assessment
and processing. UAP siting reports from the public
can be reported to Transport Canada through the
Online Aviation Incidence Report application.
Reports filed in this way may also be published
through CADORS, provided they meet the criteria
for inclusion. Analysts at Transport Canada use
these UAP reports to create a CADORS report based
on the details of the occurrence. These are then
assigned as events in CADORS, under three categories
depending on the information provided. Weather
Balloon, Meteor, Rocket, UFO, and Intelligence
Sighting. That's all one category, just so we're
on the same page. Laser Interference, or Other
Operational Incident. They really throw you off
with that first one being like six. Weather balloon,
meteor, rocket, UFO, and intelligence sighting.
I wonder under which one the rocket man that
they spotted at LAX would fall under. That would
be the first one. Weather balloon, meteor, rocket,
UFO, and intelligence sighting. I would think
that's an intelligence sighting. Super impressed
right now with how forthcoming they are with
the information of how exactly the process works.
Examination of KDOR's reports allows for follow
-up on high -risk events while looking for trends
in emerging risks or aggregated analyses by Transport
Canada. Further follow -up may be undertaken
by various organizations including Transport
Canada, NAV Canada, the Transportation Safety
Board of Canada, and the North American Aerospace
Defense Command, NORAD. NAV Canada provides about
80 % of the aviation occurrence information in
each CADORS record. Other sources of information
used to create or supplement a CADORS record
include the information received from the Transportation
Safety Board, TSB, and the RCMP, and aircraft
operators and other agencies. NAV Canada is also
responsible for the collection, evaluation, and
dissemination of special messages called NOTAM.
NOTAMs are short -term notices filed by NAV Canada
to alert aircraft pilots of potential hazards
along a flight route or at locations that could
affect a flight such as presence of wildlife,
volcanic ash, ash warnings, satellites, rocket
launches, solar storms, etc. In January 2024,
CTV News reported on Transport Canada's Cador's
online database. They identified only 17 events
reported by pilots in 2023 that could be considered
UAPs, spanning all types of occurrences and sightings.
As such, UAP sightings make up a very small portion,
about 0 .08 % of all incidences reported by pilots.
They are so rare in cadors that Transport Canada
is not incentivized to dedicate time and effort
to explaining them. In fact, when such incidents
do not raise serious safety concerns, Canadian
authorities do not even investigate further.
Next up, Canadian Coast Guard, CCG. This is a
special operation agency within Fisheries and
Oceans Canada, and I should say that one is very
in -depth, not all of them are that long. This
paragraph, this, the Coast Guard is a paragraph.
CCG is a special operations agency within Fisheries
and Oceans Canada. Its mission is to ensure the
safety of mariners in Canadian waters, protect
Canada's marine environment, and support the
safe and efficient movement of maritime trade.
The CCG rarely receives reports of UIPs, although
it has procedures on how to treat such reports.
As part of its annual notice to mariners, procedures
on what are termed vital intelligence sightings,
any waterborne objects which appears to be hostile,
suspicious, or unidentified should be reported
and handled as a Merrent messages are transmitted
to the nearest most convenient Canadian or U
.S. Coast Guard station. From 2010 to 2022, only
two Merrent reports were filed, both to the CCG's
western region. Strangely enough. But that's
where that ends. Okay. Next up, Department of
National Defense D &D. The Skype Canada Project
focuses primarily on the civilian aspects of
UAP sightings in Canada, excluding military sightings
and processes. Nonetheless, meetings were held
with representatives of the Department of National
Defense, North American Aerospace... They defined
NORAD like four times now, and they just still
write it out and then say NORAD. Sorry, just
an angry aside. The Canadian Armed Forces and
Defence Research and Development Canada, DRDC,
to discuss the goals of the Sky Canada project
and receive any information they wanted to share.
DRDC, the scientific research arm of DND, has
informed the OCSA that it has no formal programs
on UAPs and no capacity or mandate to collect,
receive, or analyze citizens. The Royal Canadian
Air Force, RCAF, does not typically investigate
sightings of unexplained phenomena. Outside the
context of investigating potential threats or
distress, the RCAF collaborates with the US Federal
Aviation Administration and Transport Canada
to enforce safety and security regulations. Media
reported that the RCAF represented the Canadian
Armed Forces at a May 2023 Five Eyes briefing
on UAP that I would love to know more about because
we have a whole episode on Five Eyes. The informal
meeting was hosted by the United States at the
Pentagon where a presentation on UAPs was made
by the U .S. All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office,
AARO. While the details of the meeting remained
classified, it was characterized as boosting
cooperation on reporting and analyzing unexplained
events. The OCSA was not able to access first
-hand information about this meeting, which makes
a lot of sense. Next up, the National Research
Council of Canada. As mentioned in our prior
episode, from 67 to 95, the NRC was the main
federal government organization responsible for
receiving UAP sightings reports in Canada. Within
NRC, they are collated by the Herzberg Institute
of Astrophysics and kept under the responsibility
of Dr. Peter Millman in his non -meteoric sighting
case report, a term referring to cases unrelated
to meteors. Thanks for explaining that. The files
gathered by the NRC were transferred to the Library
and Archives Canada, LAC, in 1995, where they
are accessible to the public. The NRC continues
to receive occasional requests for information
on archived UAP -related documents. According
to their records, they processed about 40 inquiries
related to UAPs over the last decade. These included
sightings, questions, media requests. These inquiries
were referred to other government departments
such as Department of Transportation and LAC,
as well as the Local Astronomy Club. such as
Centres of the Royal Astronomical Society of
Canada. Next up, Library and Archives Canada,
LAC, which again, they are terrible at defining
things so they continue to define them later
on. The LAC's collection of government records
on UAPs includes files from 1947 to 1995, primarily
received from four federal organizations. DND,
Department of Transport, National Research Council
of Canada, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
all of which they defined earlier and they refuse
to use their acronym. except in that one sentence
that Chelsea could not stop laughing at. Next
up, RCMP. Most municipalities and provinces in
Canada do not have their own police services.
They rely on the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
the RCMP, which again, this is like the fifth
time they've said it. They write it out and then
they put in brackets RCMP. At that point, just
move on. The RCMP serves approximately 73 % of
Canada's landmass and holds a federal investigative
mandate across the entire country. Consequently,
the RCMP receives reports of UAPs from the public
throughout Canada. However, the RCMP generally
does not investigate sightings as its operational
focus is on public safety and criminal investigations.
Currently, the RCMP does not have a formal policy
for the collection or dissemination of UAPs.
reports. As a result, there is no classification
system specific to UAPs. Such reports are typically
categorized as non -offense, brackets non -criminal,
incidents under the Aeronautics Act, other activities.
This classification also encompasses a variety
of other vessel sightings within airspaces. When
members of the public contact the RCMP, the nature
of the call is assessed and classified before
an investigation is undertaken. However, there
is no specific guidance for RCMP call takers
or members regarding UAP reports. The calls can
be categorized as suspicious via for example,
and loss in a large number of non -UAP reports.
It was therefore impossible for the RCMP to provide
statistics about UAP reports. Yeah, I can see
it. Yeah. Historically, the RCMP has conducted
some investigations into unidentified flying
objects, and many of these records have been
declassified and are publicly available through
the LAC. During consultations with the OCSA,
the RCMP acknowledged the growing public interest
and proliferation of misinformation and disinformation
on the subject. They noted the potential value
of a dedicated office responsible for providing.
factual information and serving as a centralized
body for which UAP reports could be referred.
This would allow the RCMP to stay focused on
criminal investigations and threats to public
safety. Additionally, the RCMP coordinates with
provincial and municipal police departments as
needed. The primary mission of these local and
provincial police services is to ensure public
safety and they typically approach UAP related
calls. From this perspective, the RCMP consultation
with these organizations revealed that they lack
standardized systems for collecting and organizing
UAP reports. Like the RCMP MP, these local and
provincial police departments recognize the potential
benefits of a centralized body for which local
UAP sightings could be directed. caring about
it, but it's also like I think the most likely
place for somebody to call if they saw one. That
was my exact train of thought. I don't know how
to contact the Department of Transport or the
Department of Defense. Exactly. I don't know
if that's the first place I go to because I'm
not a huge fan of the RCMP. Also, you're not
in an RCMP jurisdiction, I'm pretty sure. No,
I don't think I am, but. At the same time, anyhow,
that was my train of thought. It makes sense
they're not keeping track of it because they're
the police. However, like aviation, yeah, I could
see it, but that's probably not going to be like
someone every day being like, I have to report
this to Cadors. I don't know how you say it.
Yeah, whatever. It's an acronym, pronounce it
however you want. It's all coniferous to me.
Next up, Canadian Space Agency, the CSA. The
mission of the CSA is to promote the peaceful
use and development of space to advance the knowledge
of space through science and to ensure that space
science and technology provide social and economic
benefits for Canadians. See right there, you
need to get the UFOs with these guys because
then they can pay us and that's an economic benefit
to Canadians. The CSA is not currently involved
in any UAP issues. No. Same. However, another
logical option. I will say that this is also
taking a twist because I did not expect this
next group. Environment and Climate Change Canada.
Okay. Because the Meteorological Services of
Canada fall under the MSC, which is part of the
Environment and Climate Change Canada. provides
weather and environmental forecasting services
and information to Canadians. Not logical at
all. Do you think it would come up on the radar
for you? When you're like, oh, I just saw a UFO.
Where do I report this? And you're thinking my
local weatherman. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Sobel.
See, I think he was an anchor, wasn't he? No,
I think he's the weatherman. OK. This is like
20 years ago. 40 years ago almost. Ha ha ha.
The MSC gets many inquiries related to meteorological
features, weather, water quantity, ice, air quality,
and climate, as well as the instruments and data
it manages. Some of these inquiries concern lines
or clouds that frequently form behind aircrafts.
Oh, during flight, they definitely get asked
so much about chemtrails, apparently. Like that
I could see, but it's crossing the line into
UFOs and the site. Yeah, those are still IFOs,
the airplanes putting the chemtrails out. Yeah.
Not commonly referred to as condensation trails
or con trails. These con trails are composed
primarily of water vapors that condense creating
visible streaks in the sky. This topic frequently
becomes the subject of speculation and is often
associated with conspiracy theories that typically
involve allegations of secret government programs
such as geoengineering or chemical dispersal
and occasionally linked the trail to UAPs. I
find it really interesting they decided to take
time out of this busy report to acknowledge chemtrails.
Like one of the few times they thought about
another conspiracy. They probably had to like
get each sector's response to what they're also
saying like give us a summary of what you do
and what you get as far as UFOs and reporting
as they're putting it together and they're like
can you just throw in so people will leave us
alone about chemtrails? Well, I almost wonder
if that is the point where they started to take
that direction, where they're like, hey, you
have to clip this in the bud, or the conspiracy
theorists take it and they go a very weird direction.
I can see it might as well put it in the UFO
report. They do end up talking about that in
the UFO report quite extensively, which I quite
liked. And I'm wondering if that's true. No,
the um, nipping conspiracy theories early and
addressing news early and I'm wondering if this
is where it took that direction. It very well
could have. While MSC responds to all queries,
they do not catalog, collect, analyze, or curate
the numerous requests they receive. Standard
responses may be used for common questions. ECCC
also operates a weather application that provides
the public with scientific explanation for weather
phenomena. MSC stated that their resources are
fully committed to the weather forecasting and
enterprise with no capacity to take on additional
responsibilities like analyzing boards. Oh man,
they are strapped right at the edge of their
financial allowance. At the individual level,
several journalists and commentators currently
cover UAP issues in Canada. For example, Daniel
Otis is a Canadian journalist recognized for
his reporting over the last few years on UAPs
and related topics. He has explored various aspects
of UAPs including government and military investigations
as well as public perceptions. His articles often
examine the implications of sightings and the
growing interest from both the public and authority
in understanding these phenomena. Christian Page
is another respected journalist in this field.
known for his research and writing on UAPs and
the paranormal. He has contributed to discussions
regarding the implications of UAP sightings,
including their potential impact on science,
government policy, and public perception. Page
frequently investigates the intersection of technology,
defense, and the unexplained phenomena observed
in the skies. He has also advocated for transparency
and further research into UAPs, emphasizing the
need for a systematic approach to understanding
these occurrences. Together, Otis and Page and
others serve as key figures in the public conversation
on UAPs, each using their platforms to push for
greater transparency, accountability, and understanding
in their public fields. I just found that really
interesting that they decided to include a few
journalists. I would be interested to take a
look at them because I bet you anything they're
not like Bill Moore who worked for MUFON. Bill
Moore yet. That's true. It's true. They have
not had their 1989 Mufon Symposium. They just
haven't had enough time to mature. That or Mufon
Symposiums just aren't what they used to be.
It's true. I don't think they are. Those really
were the glory days. That is their section on
the Canadian government's ability to handle a
UFO report. What do you think? It really took
a turn at the end there where you don't report
them. So I'm kind of interested to see where
this leads us to. I think it is fairly clear
in the reading. Nobody actually wants to do this.
The only one who seems to actually do it is the
Department of Transport because they are required
to. Yeah, for safety reasons, which makes sense.
Outside of that nobody seems to want it. Yeah,
but they're not the logical place to be doing
it like space They're not dealing with anything
on earth. So why would they want to? Yeah, exactly
Meteorological and climate change like why the
fuck would they deal with it? Like it doesn't
make sense for them to be dealing with it I don't
think it's just a matter of do you want to because
if I worked at any of these places I would be
like, yeah, I think we should do that and then
then there'd be a higher up being like, don't
be ridiculous. We look at climate change. No,
you need to do your real job. You can't look
at the UFOs. Exactly. And I'd be like, well,
I'm pretty sure I could. Just do this. We get
enough UFO reports and they'd be like, no, you're
definitely... We're definitely paying you to
do a different job. That's just how I feel like
the conversation would go if I worked there.
I mean, it makes sense in the end. I think it's
hilarious that the government took time to put
this all together to look at every single place
that somebody might report a UFO to. Can you
imagine how awkward the people at these administrations
must have felt when they like got called up by
the chief science advisor's office, Canada. They're
like, hey, we need to know your reporting structure
for UFOs and UAVs. You gotta think. And having
to look into it. And they're like, fuck, we got
nothing. We got nothing. I mean, and we don't
want it either. I know. Exactly. You know, you
got to think there might be more because, you
know, there are pretty stupid people out there
and you might think it's just called up like
the prime minister's office. The government got
to know they have. I have to report this to the
government and it's either something like the
prime minister or it's something like housing
or something like that. It's like any area. He
needs a home! It might just be, you know, just
any government number they can find and they
call and they're like, hello? Yes? Housing? I
would like to report a UFO. Hello, yes. Do you
have a complaint about your job? No, I just want
to report a UFO. Can you tell me who I could
speak to? To be fair though, I think specifically
eliminating those ones eliminates more of the,
say, crazy people, UFO reported. That's true
because they can't even logically put it together.
You need to at least come to a logical location
for us to take it seriously. Which I find reasonable.
So we have figured it out. Those are all the
logical places that you would report it, perhaps.
And not even logical because most of those places
don't take it. OK, we've come to this point.
So that's Canada. And now Canada has decided
to grace us with a nice introduction to many
countries for reporting structures. And they
start off the back into how the US handles it,
which I was surprised that it was not MUFON.
In fact, Chelsea, this is extensive, surprising.
Oh God, I'm nervous for this one. Over the past
several years. The US makes me nervous now. Yeah.
To be fair, again, most of this report was written
pre. Trump. And that guy who has two initials
for his name. Yeah, that guy. He's so cool. I
mean, your personality's gotta be great if you're
using two initials. Anyhow, over the past several
years, the U .S. government has ramped up its
efforts to gather and analyze data related to
UAPs. Increased government interest and commitment
to the scientific study of UAPs culminated in
the creation in 2022 of All Domain Anomaly Resolution
Office, AERO, in the Pentagon. The objective
of AERO is to investigate government reports
of UAPs, improve data collection standardized
reporting requirements and mitigate the potential
threat to safety and security posed by UAPs.
Its mission is to, quote, minimize technical
and intelligence surprise by synchronizing scientific
intelligence and operational detection, identification,
attribution, and mitigation of identified anomalous
phenomena in the vicinity of national security
areas, end quote. In February 2024, Arrow released
volume one of two of a study that reviews all
U .S. government investigative efforts and programs
on UAPs from 45 to the present. And this kind
of flew under the radar for me. This seems like
a lot bigger than I thought it. Yeah, I guess
so. I mean, I'm not looking at like all of this
stuff though when it comes to UFOs. I feel like
this is completely out of the range of where
I pay attention to. Which is 25, 40 years ago.
Yes. Yes. It was a beautiful time back then.
On June 1, 2024, Aero released its second report
on 757 UAP reports from May 1, 2023 to June 1,
2024, as of the publishing date. 174 cases were
resolved and found to be objects such as balloons,
birds, unmanned aerial systems, satellites, and
aircrafts. Of the remaining unresolved cases,
Aero continues to collect and analyze the information
by working with military and technical partners.
Aero underscores that to date, they have discovered
no evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity,
or technology. In parallel, the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration, NASA, undertook an
independent study to evaluate how it can contribute
to ongoing government effort. The report released
in September of 2023, focused on how best to
collect future UAP data to advance their scientific
study. It also defines a multi -faceted approach
to the scientific study of UAPs, acknowledging
the need for collaboration across different sectors
and disciplines. Similar to the AERO report,
the independent study team's review of unclassified
government documents found no evidence of extracurricular
activity. Following the release of the report,
NASA announced the creation of the position of
Director of Unidentified Phenomenal Research
further study and coordinate research efforts.
I did not know that was a position. I feel like
I'm directly qualified for this position probably.
What was it again? I'm gonna apply right now.
Director of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena
Research. I'm applying right now. I'm just looking
for the job posting. Okay, I think it's... Oh
no, Mark McHenry. He was appointed in September
2023. What a cool job. Can you imagine dinner
parties. I thought that guy's cool. And apparently
this was all brought on by Biden. So the incursion
of four high -altitude balloons here in early
2023 prompted President Biden to ask the U .S.
intelligence community to take a closer look
at the UAP issue. He directed an interagency
team to study the broader policy implications
for detection, analysis, and disposition of unidentified
area phenomena that pose either safety or security
risks. The president also announced his staff
would engage with their relevant foreign counterparts
in order to share information and try to gain
their perspectives as well. Do you think that
he still holds it or do you think he was ex?
Biden? No. Mark McKinney just from that how to
pronounce the last thing I'm gonna say he's still
there cuz nobody wants that like call him into
their office Lastly the safe airspace for Americans
act was introduced in January of 2012 or the
bill proposes that Federal Aviation Administration,
FAA, develop procedures for reporting, collecting,
storing, investigating, and analyzing UAP incidents.
The legislation also seeks to protect witnesses
who report sightings of UAPs from adverse consequences
such as medical disqualification or reprisals
from employers or the government based solely
on their reporting of UAPs. That's the end of
this portion. That last part is a big deal because
we've actually seen in a few cases that we've
looked at where people, first off, don't go public
with their case because they're worried about
their job. And then it's with Rendlesham Forest.
There's at least one serviceman who can't see
his record, correct? Like his medical record?
Right, so he wasn't covered for his medical issues
that came up in conjunction with it because they
blocked out the record so he couldn't prove that
he... What was it that he incurred this happened
to him while he was on duty? I had no idea. In
my mind, the Republicans have just taken the
UFO. Like it's their thing. the democrats have
just ignored it but apparently biden was actually
a really good ufo president that's good i did
not know that because he made nasa do that one
yeah i'm happy with it anyhow next up is mexico
it is not as extensive most reports of uap sightings
in mexico come through media outlets independent
researchers and social media which play a significant
role in documenting and spreading information
about such events. In September of 2023, the
Mexican Congress held hearings on UAPs, including
a presentation on mummified bodies of extraterrestrials.
This evidence was later debunked by Mexican scientists.
Spoiler alert for when we get to that episode.
You were aware of that going on, right, Chelsea?
They were looking at that Nazca Line body? Vaguely.
I didn't follow it closely. No, and we'll have
to do that episode at some point. Yeah. Well,
it's just ruined now. Yeah. Don't worry, nobody
listens past the 20 -minute mark, I'm sure. Next
up, Chile. The Sifa section for the study of
anomalous aerial phenomena, which is not surprisingly
what the acronym should say, but I'm not saying
the Spanish version. Oh, that's too bad. That
was beautiful, thank you. Perfect. Didn't even
have to roll an R. I know. Yours says your Spanish
is too advanced. I speak the pure form of Spanish,
closer to German. It serves as the official body
in Chile responsible for collecting, analyzing,
and scientifically studying UAPs. It operates
within the General Directive of Civil Aeronautics,
DGAC, of the Chilean Air Force. The primary mission
of CFA is to gather information on UAPs ported
by airline crews or the general public. This
information is analyzed to assess any potential
risk to the safety of air operations and national
security. One notable aspect of CFA's operation
is its commitment to transparency. The organization
makes its findings and information regarding
UAPs available to the public, aiming to foster
openness and understanding of these phenomena.
CFA publishes monthly report detailing the cases
it has investigated and closed allowing interested
individuals to stay informed about its activity.
That's kind of surprising that they're one of
like the more advanced ones but also thinking
about it like Chile separated from most its neighbors
by like two rugged to pass over mountains. Right
I forgot about that. If they're going to be invaded
it's probably by air. and or c but like you bring
up a super good point far away for everybody
yeah but the other way that's a very good point
yeah that also leads me to my next point is i
wonder what country is the most advanced in their
studies in uaps it's probably china china's in
here we will get to them But I think this next
one's going to be up there in the running, and
that is France. If I was to guess, it probably
would have been one of my top 10. France's government
funded organization charged with managing UAP
reports is housed within its space agency CNES,
the Center National. or National Center for Space
Studies. That's probably why... That's where
Jacques Vallée was, yeah. That's not what I was
going to say, but that's probably why Canada
was like, we don't look at anything that's not
space because France, that's their thing, space.
The CNES office called Gaipan, which I'm not
even going to attempt. Like they don't even have
the French version. I think I had to attempt
it. That stands for the Unidentified Aerospace
Phenomena Research and Information Group has
been studying UAPs since 1977. Its mission is
to collect, investigate, and archive UAP reports
and make its findings available to the public.
By anonymizing sightings, GAPAN allows further
study of observed phenomena by external scientific
teams. The principles guiding GAPAN include low
operational public service, respect for witnesses,
and a commitment to transparency, neutrality,
and objective investigation. GAYPAN has a full
team of three full -time employees. I'm pleased
to manage the reporting process. Members of the
public can file a UAP siting report through a
forum that is available online. Reports are investigated
through the efforts of over 20 trained volunteers
throughout France. GAYPAN has a large number
of government partners including the Military,
Civil Aviation, Meteorological Office, Alternative
Energies and Atomic Energy Commission, and the
French National Police, among others. Okay. and
external contacts from complementary fields including
astronomy, aeronautics, meteorology, psychology,
imaging, drone technology, and electromagnetism
as many more. GAYPAN's steering committee is
chaired by an established aerospace expert and
includes representatives of the country's civil
and military authority. The steering committee's
mission is to analyze the performance of GAYPAN
and make recommendations. The French organization
Misunderstandings of the Sky also receives UIP
sightings from GAYPAN and the public. This organization
helps educate the public about the mischaracterization
of UAPs. While it is difficult to establish a
direct causal relationship between these investigative
efforts and changes in public perspective, there
are indications that in France, UAP -related
conspiracies are decreasing and are less prevalent
compared with other countries. Which, pairing
that with knowing the outcomes of this report,
you can see what they're trying to emulate. public
and meet their goal. Do you think it's like to
around elementary schools and do presentations,
commercials? I would be really curious, actually.
There's town crier at UFOs. There's no longer
a stigma. Read all about it. No, that's not the
town crier. But how would they achieve that?
I wonder. Yeah, Chelsea, you did the 1920s paper
boy routine. Yeah, I did. I did do that. They're
very close. It's like, coniferous and coniferous.
Yeah, I'm just curious though, like how would
they achieve that? And I'm only thinking like
commercials, maybe like ads on Prime, maybe?
I mean, yeah, that's a fair point. Before you
watch the boys, you need to know that this UFOF
that was spotted in your area has been debunked.
It also, it blows me away that there are like
three paid people in all of France and they have
a robust UAP system that is wanted to be emulated.
Well, they probably offload a lot, right? It
sounds like it. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. What's the next
one? Germany. Germany. Yeah. The purest of languages.
For over 50 years. Germany's contact point for
UAP reporting has been the GEP. Society for Research
into the UFO Phenomena, a Ludenscheid -based
non -profit citizen science organization. The
GEP receives public reports of UAP sightings
and makes its findings public. Since 1980, it
has published its findings in its bi -monthly
journal Führer UFO Forschung, Journal of UFO
Research. According to GEP's annual report, they
have received an average of 300 per year from
2022 to 2024. Over 90 % of reports received have
been explained as conventional cases. causes
with the remainder being unexplained due to efficient
data. Next up, Italy. Italy has two well -known
private non -profit UAPs, the CUN, National Ufological
Center, and CISU, the Italian Center for Ufological
Studies. They were established in 65 and 85 respectively.
Both are involved in collecting and cataloging
testimonies of UAP sightings and Republic reporting.
The two organizations are also provided access
to the Italian Ministry of Defense's unclassified
UAP investigation, which are carried out by the
Italian Air Force, which clearly shows that there
was another group they should have talked to,
the Ministry of Defense's UAP investigations
reporting. Yeah. Next up, UK. The United Kingdom
Ministry of Defense was in charge from 1950 to
2009. From the outset, the Ministry of Defense
set up a working group under its chief science
advisor to study the UFO phenomena. In June 1951,
the working group concluded that UFO sightings
could be explained by astronomical or meteorological
phenomena, misidentification of aircraft, balloons,
birds, optical illusions, and psychological delusions
and deliberate hoaxes. It recommended that, quote,
no further investigation of reported mysterious
aerial phenomena be undertaken unless and until
some material evidence becomes available." End
quote. Nonetheless, the Ministry of Defense kept
a UFO hotline and email address as well as a
small team of investigators. It published annual
reports from 97 to 2009, listing dates, times,
locations, and brief descriptions of all UFO
sightings. The Ministry of Defense closed its
program in 2009. Since then, UAP sightings in
the UK can be reported to local parties or associations
like the British UFO Research Association, Buflora.
Which is a great acronym, Bufora. Yeah, we heard
it on the last one, right? Next up, surprisingly
enough, is the European Union, which, might surprise
you, has nothing. As an entity, the European
Commission considers that the area of UAPs is
under the jurisdiction of the Member States,
which allows them to address these phenomena
according to their national security. Makes a
lot of sense. Yeah. Next up, Japan. According
to media sources, Japan's defense minister instructed
the Japanese defense forces in 2020 to record
and photograph any object they encounter or that
enters Japanese airspace and to take steps for
the necessary analysis of those sightings. This
directive underscores the importance placed on
monitoring and documenting UAPs by the Japanese
government, as well as the recognition of the
need for thorough analysis and investigation
including information provided by the public.
The Japanese military announced in February 2023
a new policy to consider unidentified drones
as legitimate targets to be shot down. It does
make a lot of sense that they want to take UAP
seriously because they do worry about China a
lot and like anything coming in the sky to their
island could be coming from China. Yeah. And
finally, we're going to finish off with China
here. The rise of UAP research in China coincided
with the country's reform period in the late
1970s. As part of the first wave of reforms,
public interest in UAPs began to emerge. In September
of 1979, students in Wuhan University established
the China UFO Enthusiast Liaison Office. which
later evolved into the China UFO Research Association.
The association expanded, opening branches in
other cities. The Journal of UFO Research, founded
in 1981 in Lanzhou by the Gansu People's Publishing
House, became the most widely read UAP research
magazine in Asia. Following the success of the
China UFO Research Association, several localized
societies were established, including the Beijing
UFO Society, which was founded in 1984. During
the 1990s, interest in UAPs and extraterrestrial
life surged, as state media began covering the
topic and publishing restrictions were relaxed.
However, the China UFO Research Association disbanded
recently. China has a dedicated task force within
the People's Liberation Army to investigate the
unidentified aerial phenomenon. This task force
employs a multi -tiered reporting system to manage
UAP sites, collecting data from military radar
stations, Air Force pilots, police stations.
Weather stations and observatories affiliated
with the Chinese Academy of Science reports undergo
preliminary analysis of regional military command
or being centralized in a national database.
To handle the vast amount of data and identify
patterns, the PLA, which I think is the People
Liberation Army, utilizes artificial intelligence
to assess the nature and potential threat level
of these phenomena. This approach enables the
PLA to rapidly determine whether observed objects
are foreign aircrafts, natural occurrences, or
potentially otherworldly origins. Apparently
they're the only ones using the AI. That's crazy.
Yeah. Yeah, they take it seriously. I don't know
if AI is taking it seriously. Really? Because
they had a whole section in this report about
using AI. I mean, fair enough. But yeah, I'll
see that is that's more than I knew before about
many countries hoarding systems, including our
own. That was quite a lot of information to take
in. Is that the end of the episode? That is the
well, sorry, that's the end of my script. I will
say it that way. Based on this, Taylor, well
not necessarily based on this. Where is the best
place to report a UFO? CADOR? CADERS? In Canada?
Yeah. I think it's MUFON. This was just covering
the government side of it. Do you think it's
still MUFON? If you want a government response,
I do think it is probably CADORS. I think. You
don't think? Government response is probably
not what you're looking for. So it is probably.
or your local chapter of MUFON, whatever that
may be. I think they stretch fairly worldwide.
Yeah, they're in a lot of places. I don't think
it's everywhere, but they are in a lot of places.
Yeah, I know we do have them in Canada as well.
And even with the Bill Moore thing. And what
was the military people? Three. Doty? The birds?
The Florida one. Oh, what was his name? I can't
remember off the top of my head. Even with that
one Florida guy, and I know you have so many
Florida guys going on down there, you won't know
who it is because they're all fucking insane.
Golf Breeze, I can't remember his name off the
top of my head. Yeah, yeah, Golf Breeze, that
was the one. Okay, so we're thinking Mufon is
the best place. We'll link up, I think, Cadors
in this if you want to make a report and Mufon,
just in case, because Cadors as well, you can
take a look through the reports. So we should
probably link those up in the episode. Super
informative. I can't believe that our government
put that out. I can't believe how many governments
actually, I wonder if people actually realize
that governments are like looking into these
things and tracking them. Yeah, I mean, people
like to put a lot of nefariousness behind it
or think about it as wasted money. But it is
something I, it's something that should be studied.
But then there's a whole other, I agree, I 100
% agree. I think there's a whole other sector
with, I don't know, I get to start a poll, a
personal poll with everyone. come into contact
with them, whether they think it's a waste of
money to study UFOs within the government, even
if it's just three people. The people that listen
to our show are going to a ton of dinner parties,
and I think they should be pleasing me. Oh yeah,
we so should be. Yeah, I'm going to start asking
people because I think there's a fair amount
of people that would think that, you know, even
three people for the whole country would be fair,
but The other thing, France does it robustly
and they employ three people. Exactly, exactly.
And it's France. The other thing that I wanted
to ask was, oh, no, it's slipping away. I forgot.
Well, hey, that's OK, because I'm sure we're
at a pretty good time at this point. I have been
T here with C. We are JTT Fringe. Thank you all
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