WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:19.260 us on a Journey to the Fringe. The fringe lawyers 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:21.859 actually were really insistent that we put that 00:00:21.859 --> 00:00:24.500 disclaimer out there at some point. So we are 00:00:24.500 --> 00:00:26.539 your legally obligated host, Taylor and Chelsea, 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:30.719 here today doing an individuals episode. I guess 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.119 we'll hold off on saying whether they're an asshole 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.799 until the end of it. I think it will sway pretty 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.119 hard one way as we get going. But I'm not gonna 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.579 tell you which way, to keep it a surprise. Okay, 00:00:43.659 --> 00:00:46.719 I'll take that. Looking at a guy in the Bigfoot 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:48.960 community, in his brick dire, have you heard 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.500 of him before? I feel like I have, and I'm not 00:00:53.500 --> 00:00:56.060 sure at this point if it's because you told me 00:00:56.060 --> 00:00:58.280 you were doing this as an episode, so I never 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.240 looked at him. I'm pretty sure that's what it 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.820 is, but I'm pretty sure I might know who you're 00:01:02.820 --> 00:01:05.819 talking about, but TBD, right now. I think at 00:01:05.819 --> 00:01:08.040 some point, as I'm talking, it's gonna click 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.739 in that you know the story, guys associated with, 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.000 but until that point you can remain in speculation 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.099 about this whole thing. Okay, fair enough. I 00:01:16.099 --> 00:01:18.719 will do that. The interesting thing about Rick 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.760 Dyer is there's nothing about him before 2008. 00:01:21.980 --> 00:01:25.260 From what I vaguely get a sense of, he was either, 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.140 like nothing. He just pops onto the scene. From 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:31.120 what I can gather, he was either a used car salesman 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:35.180 or owned a used car dealership. But I can't tell 00:01:35.180 --> 00:01:37.159 which is correct from what I've been reading. 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.500 He was also a corrections officer at some point 00:01:39.500 --> 00:01:42.180 in there as well. But 2008 is really where we 00:01:42.180 --> 00:01:44.239 kick things off with this whole story. Well, 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.609 I'll just accept both of those things as vaguely 00:01:47.609 --> 00:01:50.689 in the same direction, I don't think I need either 00:01:50.689 --> 00:01:52.129 of them defined. You're getting different vibes 00:01:52.129 --> 00:01:54.969 from somebody if they say hi, used car salesman, 00:01:55.090 --> 00:01:58.310 or hi, owner of used car dealership. Do you though? 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:02.540 No. I would just get more used car salesman vibes 00:02:02.540 --> 00:02:05.299 off the guy who owns it, I think. Yeah. Oh, so 00:02:05.299 --> 00:02:07.700 you know how to train and pick out the used car 00:02:07.700 --> 00:02:11.400 salesman. Yeah. OK. OK. I'm not wrong. OK. They're 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.379 generally in the same direction. I believe he's 00:02:14.379 --> 00:02:17.800 from Georgia, or at least he is around 2008. 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.419 Somewhat pertinent to the story, but not really. 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:23.400 But he's in the States. OK. So big thing happens 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.639 in 2008 on August 12th, him and a man by the 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.560 name of Matthew Whitman. Yeah, go ahead. Wow, 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.979 we're recording like pretty much exactly on that 00:02:33.979 --> 00:02:37.900 day. Holy shit, almost, yeah. Not in 2008, but 00:02:37.900 --> 00:02:42.020 you know. 17 year anniversary. Where were you? 00:02:42.949 --> 00:02:46.310 That's crazy Matt Witten and Rick Dyer. I have 00:02:46.310 --> 00:02:48.750 a press release They go on this show called the 00:02:48.750 --> 00:02:51.770 Squatch Detective hosted by Stephen Kull and 00:02:51.770 --> 00:02:53.689 it's a radio show because podcasts aren't a thing 00:02:53.689 --> 00:02:56.409 at that time So real prestigious their claim 00:02:56.409 --> 00:02:59.610 is that they have a dead Bigfoot body in their 00:02:59.610 --> 00:03:02.719 possession Did they kill it? Am I getting too 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.740 ahead of myself? Okay. After they initially leaked 00:03:05.740 --> 00:03:07.900 some grainy footage that showed a Bigfoot, they 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:11.580 presented the carcass in a block of ice at a 00:03:11.580 --> 00:03:15.039 conference that was only open to the press. Oh, 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.560 I remember this story. The two announced that 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:18.759 they found... Can I tickle this video? Yeah, 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.080 you can. It might give away some of the story. 00:03:21.259 --> 00:03:23.199 Okay, I'm just gonna tape it and then I'll head 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.479 into later. The two announced that they had found 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.539 the seven foot, seven inch, 500 pound creature 00:03:28.539 --> 00:03:31.020 while hiking in the North... Georgia mountains 00:03:31.020 --> 00:03:34.340 in June. They come across this like family that's 00:03:34.340 --> 00:03:37.240 dragging this dead Bigfoot behind them. It's 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.120 a family of three. What? And according to Dyer, 00:03:40.219 --> 00:03:42.360 basically they scared off the family and then 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.000 they dragged this body back to civilization. 00:03:45.259 --> 00:03:47.300 According to Dyer, it took them a day and a half 00:03:47.300 --> 00:03:49.699 with six men to carry out the Bigfoot. I have 00:03:49.699 --> 00:03:53.080 no idea who the other four men are. All the way 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.740 while being followed by the Bigfoot creatures. 00:03:56.139 --> 00:03:59.000 Yeah. The family killed the Bigfoot or found 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.990 it. Basically, I think basically it was apparently 00:04:01.990 --> 00:04:05.250 a bigfoot that was like bringing the body of 00:04:05.250 --> 00:04:08.009 one of their family members somewhere and They're 00:04:08.009 --> 00:04:10.729 like, oh we can get a body of a bigfoot this 00:04:10.729 --> 00:04:12.729 way by scaring them off and just taking the body 00:04:12.729 --> 00:04:14.949 It's so much easier than killing a bigfoot. I 00:04:14.949 --> 00:04:16.910 don't know that I'd take that risk, but okay. 00:04:16.990 --> 00:04:20.279 Okay. Okay that clarified it Now, and Witten 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.120 and Dyer are joined by a man named Tom Biscardi 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.720 at this news conference. And Biscardi states, 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:28.660 last weekend, I touched it. I measured it. Its 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:32.339 feet. I felt its intestines. End quote. It's 00:04:32.339 --> 00:04:34.639 authenticity. As it thought, however, things 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.500 start to happen here. How did he touch his intestines? 00:04:37.779 --> 00:04:40.649 I feel like I'm missing. I think it was because 00:04:40.649 --> 00:04:43.269 it, like, had it at one point, they have the 00:04:43.269 --> 00:04:45.389 body, and then to preserve it, they throw it 00:04:45.389 --> 00:04:48.110 in his deep freeze. So I'm guessing that Tom 00:04:48.110 --> 00:04:50.310 Biscardi had seen it before it went into the 00:04:50.310 --> 00:04:52.250 deep freeze, because it's in a block of ice. 00:04:52.470 --> 00:04:55.850 Okay, but is it cut open? Well, it's a dead body, 00:04:55.930 --> 00:04:58.290 so I guess it's decomposing. I don't really know. 00:04:58.370 --> 00:05:01.089 It wasn't that well explained. How did he touch 00:05:01.089 --> 00:05:03.889 his intestines? Now I'm gonna read a bit about 00:05:03.889 --> 00:05:06.490 the story around this now. This press release 00:05:06.490 --> 00:05:09.269 was issued on August 12, 2008 and announced a 00:05:09.269 --> 00:05:11.410 Bigfoot body found and further indicated that 00:05:11.410 --> 00:05:13.649 DNA evidence and photo evidence of the creature 00:05:13.649 --> 00:05:16.050 would be presented in the press conference on 00:05:16.050 --> 00:05:18.930 Friday, August 15 from 12 noon to 1 p .m. at 00:05:18.930 --> 00:05:21.930 the Cabana Hotel Palo Alto, California. This 00:05:21.930 --> 00:05:24.290 conference was only open to the press in the 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:26.069 press release. The body was described as being 00:05:26.069 --> 00:05:28.610 seven foot seven inches and to be part human 00:05:28.610 --> 00:05:30.550 and part ape. Further descriptions were included, 00:05:30.569 --> 00:05:32.910 but the location of the find was kept secret, 00:05:32.930 --> 00:05:35.930 supposedly to protect the rare species. Tom Biscardi, 00:05:36.110 --> 00:05:39.470 CEO of Searching for Bigfoot Inc., also claims 00:05:39.470 --> 00:05:41.850 to be a real Bigfoot hunter, was scheduled to 00:05:41.850 --> 00:05:43.889 attend the press conference. On Squash Detectives, 00:05:44.089 --> 00:05:46.509 Dyer had said that Biscardi was the only person 00:05:46.509 --> 00:05:48.610 that Matt Witten and Rick Dyer, the possessors 00:05:48.610 --> 00:05:51.250 of the thing, wanted to verify the body. Biscardi's 00:05:51.250 --> 00:05:54.100 doings had long been featured in the media. In 00:05:54.100 --> 00:05:57.220 December of 73, Saga Magazine reported on his 00:05:57.220 --> 00:06:00.379 initial search for Bigfoot in 73. A webcam service 00:06:00.379 --> 00:06:03.459 in 2005, which planned to show a Bigfoot in captivity, 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.279 was never activated. But methods of publicity 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.879 were different in 2008. Both Witton and Dyer 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.939 had earlier posted about their alleged find, 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.540 claiming that they had discovered him in the 00:06:12.540 --> 00:06:14.519 mountains of North Georgia, on their own website, 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.680 and on YouTube in June and July of 2008. Upon 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.740 the issuance of the August 12th press release, 00:06:20.060 --> 00:06:22.620 Lauren Coleman posted, with considerable excitement 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:25.860 on his website, Cryptomundo. Responses posted 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:28.560 on the site vary from enthusiasm to skeptical 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.899 takes on the situation. One pro -writer posted 00:06:31.899 --> 00:06:34.300 on August 12th that he had noticed that the distributor 00:06:34.300 --> 00:06:37.839 of the press release, R .M. Barrows, Inc., was 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.339 an interesting choice, since Barrows was a sculptor 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:43.879 and a former TV production assistant in Hollywood. 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.740 Others discussed the participation of Tom Viscardi 00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:49.600 and what it meant to the situation. The press 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.860 conference at place and confusing DNA results 00:06:51.860 --> 00:06:54.100 were mentioned, resulting in skeptical reactions. 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:56.819 from some well -known people in the field. But 00:06:56.819 --> 00:06:58.740 once this press release happens, in an online 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:02.300 article at WSB TV, Jeffrey Muldrum, a professor 00:07:02.300 --> 00:07:04.759 at Idaho State University and researcher at Bigfoot, 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:07.259 stated that he found the photos exhibited at 00:07:07.259 --> 00:07:09.839 the Palo Alto News Conference unconvincing and 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.360 told Scientific America that it resembled a costume. 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:15.680 He also found Biscardi not credible. And in the 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.139 same article, Matt Moneymaker of the Bigfoot 00:07:18.139 --> 00:07:21.220 Field Research Organization, BFRO, described 00:07:21.220 --> 00:07:24.420 the subject of the photography as, quote, a Halloween 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:28.139 costume in a box. Lauren Coleman exhibited skepticism 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:32.220 considering the probability of the hoax at 99%. 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:35.459 Chelsea, can you find a picture of the Bigfoot 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:38.660 in the freezer? Well, no. But if I Google Tom 00:07:38.660 --> 00:07:42.540 Viscardi, he's holding like a photo of a Bigfoot 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:45.420 with like its tongue out, maybe. But the one 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:48.920 guy felt his intestine. So that has to be. How 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.009 would I find the Bigfoot in the freezer? Because 00:07:52.009 --> 00:07:55.149 Bigfoot in the freezer does not come up if I 00:07:55.149 --> 00:07:58.870 Google it. What says Rick Dyer? Okay, well, there's 00:07:58.870 --> 00:08:00.490 a freezer with Bigfoot in it. Yeah, I'm actually 00:08:00.490 --> 00:08:03.709 pretty sure. I can't confirm it, but I think 00:08:03.709 --> 00:08:07.389 this is the photo here. I'm just going to share 00:08:07.389 --> 00:08:10.350 my screen. I'm pretty sure it's this photo. Yeah, 00:08:10.610 --> 00:08:13.410 that's the one I found. I wouldn't say that it 00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:17.120 necessarily looks... I mean, I can't blow it 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.560 up, but I don't know. I don't know that it looks 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:24.279 real. Are those intestines on its? No, I think 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.339 it's underneath it. I don't know for sure, though. 00:08:26.500 --> 00:08:28.600 Steve Kahl, host of the Squatch Detectives radio 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.339 and its associated website, SquatchDetective 00:08:30.339 --> 00:08:33.100 .com, posted onto Tom Viscardi's website that 00:08:33.100 --> 00:08:35.679 the evidence for which they paid Witten and Dyer, 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:37.799 who provided them an alleged Bigfoot and a block 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.360 of ice, was spurious. The realization had come 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.100 when tests were done. On August 16th, before 00:08:43.100 --> 00:08:45.860 the icing case thing was fully uncovered, Kahl's 00:08:45.860 --> 00:08:48.480 had been provided some hairs of it and he tried 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.620 burning it. So he tried burning the hairs and 00:08:50.620 --> 00:08:53.990 they melted into a ball. But why? Because it's 00:08:53.990 --> 00:08:56.169 plastic, it's not actual hair. But why would 00:08:56.169 --> 00:08:58.389 he burn it? I guess it was just a test to see 00:08:58.389 --> 00:09:00.889 if it's a real hair or not. Oh, someone else 00:09:00.889 --> 00:09:04.190 did it. The host of the show. Oh, okay. When 00:09:04.190 --> 00:09:06.090 the melting was accelerated, the head was soon 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:09.750 found to be unusually hollow, which is in quotation 00:09:09.750 --> 00:09:12.919 marks. Not sure why. That is unusual. When the 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.139 feet, too, were exposed, it became evident that 00:09:15.139 --> 00:09:17.080 the lower extremities were constructed of rubber. 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.340 Thus, not long after that tantalizing buildup 00:09:20.340 --> 00:09:22.460 came the letdown that the creature was actually 00:09:22.460 --> 00:09:24.840 a rubber suit filled with slaughterhouse byproducts 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.299 and roadkill. Oh, disgusting! We have to make 00:09:28.299 --> 00:09:31.440 it seem dead, so why not put some entrails in 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.990 there for the smell? That makes it worse. That 00:09:33.990 --> 00:09:36.669 makes it so worse. The two men who had provided 00:09:36.669 --> 00:09:39.169 the ape suit on ice, Whitten, who was an officer 00:09:39.169 --> 00:09:41.250 of the Clayton County Police Department, and 00:09:41.250 --> 00:09:43.889 Dyer, who was once a Georgian Corrections Officer, 00:09:44.029 --> 00:09:46.330 had been bragging about the revelations. Whitten 00:09:46.330 --> 00:09:48.889 had said that those who had belittled them would 00:09:48.889 --> 00:09:51.429 have to eat their words. That didn't happen. 00:09:51.610 --> 00:09:54.110 After the revelations of the fake, Coleman compiled 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:56.590 a timeline on the development of the hoax entitled, 00:09:56.730 --> 00:09:59.809 quote, Ultimate Georgia Bigfoot Hoax Timeline 00:09:59.809 --> 00:10:02.110 2008, which is what I'm actually reading from. 00:10:02.139 --> 00:10:05.620 It informatively connected the activities of 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:07.960 some of the major players, particularly the interplay 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.620 of Biscardi, Witten, Dyer, and Culls, and included 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:13.539 the early Clayton County Daily and Atlanta coverage. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.639 At this point, Coleman termed his earlier August 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.580 12th posting as one of skeptical optimism. Jerry 00:10:19.580 --> 00:10:22.700 Perino, owner of the internet Halloween costumer 00:10:22.700 --> 00:10:26.159 retailer TheHorrorDome .com, said that the costume 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:29.240 quote, definitely looks like our costume. end 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.460 quote, after viewing photos of Dyer's Bigfoot. 00:10:31.700 --> 00:10:34.460 Upon inspection, it was confirmed that the corpse 00:10:34.460 --> 00:10:36.539 was in fact the costume stuffed with possum, 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.940 roadkill, and trails in Slaughterhouse. National 00:10:39.940 --> 00:10:42.659 Geographic's called the hoax a short -lived one 00:10:42.659 --> 00:10:45.610 as the whole affair lasted only a few days. Now, 00:10:45.789 --> 00:10:49.870 upon being exposed, Dyer said he says he did 00:10:49.870 --> 00:10:52.990 actually have a Bigfoot corpse. However, a government 00:10:52.990 --> 00:10:55.850 agency had confiscated the real Bigfoot body. 00:10:56.450 --> 00:10:59.929 Oh, I remember this. And he faked it. Because 00:10:59.929 --> 00:11:02.190 you don't want to look like an idiot saying that 00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:04.309 you have a Bigfoot body when the government takes 00:11:04.309 --> 00:11:07.850 it. No, no. This is just how the community goes. 00:11:07.990 --> 00:11:11.190 Like, when you are disproven in something, then 00:11:11.190 --> 00:11:14.690 it's, you know... It's the deep state. It's the 00:11:14.690 --> 00:11:17.830 deep state. It's whoever is working against you. 00:11:17.970 --> 00:11:20.669 It's the government. It's whoever it is. Jeffrey 00:11:20.669 --> 00:11:23.909 Epstein. I don't know. That's, you know, has 00:11:23.909 --> 00:11:27.049 taken it away. And so you like are left with 00:11:27.049 --> 00:11:30.110 nothing. So that's why you had to fake it. Oh 00:11:30.110 --> 00:11:33.639 my gosh. And anyhow, the Bigfoot research organization, 00:11:33.820 --> 00:11:36.840 BFRO, got super upset with this whole situation 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.179 and they still to this day have this article 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:42.240 posted about the whole situation that they want 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.620 to be known that they really don't like this. 00:11:44.860 --> 00:11:47.000 The original motivation for the Georgia body 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.580 hoax was the attempt by Sheriff Deputy Matt Witten 00:11:49.580 --> 00:11:52.600 and used car salesman Rick Dyer to offer expeditions 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.419 like the BFRO. Bigfoot expeditions looked like 00:11:55.419 --> 00:11:58.480 a great business to them because the BFRO's expeditions 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.490 often sell out months in advance. What? They 00:12:01.490 --> 00:12:03.590 saw an opportunity to attract people who didn't 00:12:03.590 --> 00:12:06.470 sign up for the BFRO's trip in time. This same 00:12:06.470 --> 00:12:09.230 motivation was shared by the infamous hoker Tom 00:12:09.230 --> 00:12:12.450 Biscardi. Years before his hoax, Biscardi had 00:12:12.450 --> 00:12:15.190 started a company called the Great America Bigfoot 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:19.700 Field Research Organization, GABFRO. in a blatant 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:21.740 attempt to confuse people who had heard about 00:12:21.740 --> 00:12:25.759 BFRO expeditions. Viscardi is a former Las Vegas 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.039 promoter and eventually changed the name of his 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.120 business entity to searching for Bigfoot Inc. 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.279 Even with relentless publicity campaign to advertise 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.580 his expeditions, no one signed up. As his money 00:12:35.580 --> 00:12:38.299 started to run out, he became increasingly desperate 00:12:38.299 --> 00:12:40.679 for media attention. He saw the potential in 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.159 the Georgia body story for a lot of free publicity 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.860 so he jumped in to advise and partner with the 00:12:45.860 --> 00:12:48.590 Georgia boys. With the help of tantalizing press 00:12:48.590 --> 00:12:51.169 release television, he managed to bring nationwide 00:12:51.169 --> 00:12:53.649 TV coverage to his bizarre self -promoting press 00:12:53.649 --> 00:12:55.970 conference in Palo Alto. This press conference 00:12:55.970 --> 00:12:58.830 fulfilled the fantasy he had for decades, a live 00:12:58.830 --> 00:13:00.750 press conference wherein he could command the 00:13:00.750 --> 00:13:03.669 attention momentarily of all major media networks 00:13:03.669 --> 00:13:06.250 and thereby proclaim himself to be the real Bigfoot 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:08.409 Hunter. It was both madness and a scam. And if 00:13:08.409 --> 00:13:11.230 you look, CNN still has an article up on this. 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:16.899 You decide you're going to go with your passion 00:13:16.899 --> 00:13:20.379 Bigfoot hunting tours. Do you go all in or do 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:23.409 you offer it as a side hustle? first. I would 00:13:23.409 --> 00:13:26.070 definitely start it like we did this podcast 00:13:26.070 --> 00:13:29.649 having a job firmly in hand that doesn't make 00:13:29.649 --> 00:13:32.830 me rely on it. I feel like you don't go all in 00:13:32.830 --> 00:13:35.929 on it like that so that by the time you're not 00:13:35.929 --> 00:13:39.129 selling your Bigfoot tours then you know you 00:13:39.129 --> 00:13:42.049 got to reach out to something like this. I don't 00:13:42.049 --> 00:13:44.330 feel like you go all in on it. Just me though. 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:46.389 In the process of trying to draw attention to 00:13:46.389 --> 00:13:48.570 their phony expedition business the Georgia boys 00:13:48.570 --> 00:13:50.789 noticed that some incredulous critics suddenly 00:13:50.789 --> 00:13:53.190 became extremely polite and even helpful when 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.970 the boys began claiming that they had in their 00:13:54.970 --> 00:13:58.190 possession the body of a dead Bigfoot. That particular 00:13:58.190 --> 00:14:00.450 lie struck a curious chord in many people as 00:14:00.450 --> 00:14:02.490 if the boys claimed to have had a vision of the 00:14:02.490 --> 00:14:04.669 Virgin Mary. Like a vision of the Virgin Mary, 00:14:04.850 --> 00:14:06.649 the claim of having the body of a dead bigfoot 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:09.070 touched a nerve in many people. A superstitious 00:14:09.070 --> 00:14:11.230 nerve that makes them both fearful and helpful 00:14:11.230 --> 00:14:14.029 at the same time. The Georgia boys saw this happening 00:14:14.029 --> 00:14:16.250 so they began promoting the dead bigfoot lie 00:14:16.250 --> 00:14:18.750 with full force and even more ludicrous videos 00:14:18.750 --> 00:14:21.090 on YouTube. Which unfortunately you can't find. 00:14:21.769 --> 00:14:24.450 The fact that Whitton was a sheriff deputy is 00:14:24.450 --> 00:14:26.309 ultimately what made the hoax go as far as it 00:14:26.309 --> 00:14:28.139 did. Most people, including those in the media, 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.360 assume that a sheriff deputy would not put his 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.379 reputation and career on the line by promoting 00:14:32.379 --> 00:14:35.519 a hoax that was bound to unravel in disgrace. 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.919 It didn't make sense, so the Georgia boys were 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.879 given the benefit of the doubt by the world media. 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:41.980 When Biscardi stepped into the picture, he convinced 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:44.639 the two Georgia boys that there was a way for 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.960 everyone involved to make a lot more money quickly. 00:14:47.100 --> 00:14:49.059 He convinced them that they had nothing to worry 00:14:49.059 --> 00:14:51.240 about and that they would all make out like bandits 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.399 before the hoax finally unraveled. The Georgia 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:55.580 boys took the matter as far as they did because 00:14:55.580 --> 00:14:59.440 they knew hoaxes are way not illegal. Are not 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:01.879 illegal. If the claims were only made to the 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.059 news media and the boys never made a false report 00:15:05.059 --> 00:15:07.299 to the local authorities. The two Georgia boys 00:15:07.299 --> 00:15:09.799 did make a few thousand dollars from the hoax, 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.000 but Deputy Witten was fired in disgrace because 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.720 of this. You can't put him on the stand for anything 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.179 as somebody who works for law enforcement because 00:15:19.179 --> 00:15:21.100 the defense is always going to say, aren't you 00:15:21.100 --> 00:15:23.840 the guy who faked a Bigfoot? Not credible. I 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.139 mean, even if you're not faking a Bigfoot, if 00:15:26.139 --> 00:15:28.220 you come out with something like, I actually 00:15:28.220 --> 00:15:35.580 have a Bigfoot, you're still But nothing really 00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:38.240 happens to Rick. He lost nothing in the process 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.139 because he had no career to lose in the first 00:15:40.139 --> 00:15:42.000 place. He was living hand -to -mouth as a self 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.340 -employed used car dealer. Biscardi hoped to 00:15:44.340 --> 00:15:46.139 make a windfall before the hoax unraveled, but 00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:48.080 it appears now that he made very little from 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.519 the hoax and it is now destitute. The BFRO had 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.240 been tracking the antics of the Georgia Boys 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:54.940 several weeks prior to the press conference. 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.399 We tried to warn everyone via our public discussion 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.580 forum of the impending hoax a full week prior 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:01.259 to the press conference, after it was learned 00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:03.539 that the Georgia Boys joined forces with veteran 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:06.100 hoaxer Biscardi. Based on his past tactics, we 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:08.620 knew that Biscardi would shoot for maximum publicity 00:16:08.620 --> 00:16:10.879 and would come up with a scheme to make a windfall 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.120 of money from the intense curiosity on the internet 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.539 generated by the media publicity. As the BFRO 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:17.679 first announced, two days prior to the press 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.179 conference, the body was a widely available Halloween 00:16:20.179 --> 00:16:22.700 costume stuffed into a large cooler and filled 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:24.799 with rotting animal entrails. At this stage, 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.539 everyone in the Bigfoot research community would 00:16:26.539 --> 00:16:29.100 like nothing more than to whisk this hoax back 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:31.519 into the dustbin of history. Unfortunately, we 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.379 have to keep this page available and prominent 00:16:33.379 --> 00:16:36.980 a while because, unfortunately, many people who 00:16:36.980 --> 00:16:38.980 heard about the hoax were only listening with 00:16:38.980 --> 00:16:41.220 half an ear or heard distorted details from other 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.080 people. In several instances, people mistakenly 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.899 assumed the BFRO was the group that said they 00:16:46.899 --> 00:16:49.139 had a dead bigfoot, rather than the ones who 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:51.919 debunked it. In one example, a misinformed person 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.299 assumed that the man who held the press conference 00:16:54.299 --> 00:16:58.610 must be that professor from Idaho. No wrong guy 00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:00.769 and wrong organization. It's a shame that we 00:17:00.769 --> 00:17:02.409 have to straighten this out with people because 00:17:02.409 --> 00:17:04.670 it means we'll be straightening it out for a 00:17:04.670 --> 00:17:07.509 long time into the future. When the Georgia boys 00:17:07.509 --> 00:17:09.589 first received some press attention in Georgia, 00:17:09.750 --> 00:17:11.890 the press attention attracted Biscardi. Biscardi 00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:14.170 didn't start the Georgia hoax, but instead latched 00:17:14.170 --> 00:17:17.250 onto it, basically creating it as they did. I 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:19.549 think the BFRO did a fairly good explanation 00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:21.950 of that. But after the body was revealed to be 00:17:21.950 --> 00:17:24.890 a fake to the mass media, some newspapers reported 00:17:24.890 --> 00:17:27.980 that Biscardi was swindled out of $50 ,000 by 00:17:27.980 --> 00:17:30.460 the Georgia boys, but this was incorrect. Biscardi 00:17:30.460 --> 00:17:34.460 had persuaded a man in Indiana to front $50 ,000 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:37.039 to the Georgia boys. In exchange for the body, 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.660 Biscardi promised to pay the man back in 90 days. 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:42.680 But once it became clear that the body was fake, 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:44.920 Biscardi urged the man to sue the Georgia guys 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.240 in order to get his money back. Don't come to 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.980 me, go to them. Whatever you're just talking 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:53.519 about. Getting $50 ,000 for the body from some 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.400 rich guy in Indiana. Okay, I just gotta ask. 00:17:57.579 --> 00:18:00.160 You need money quick. What are you gonna do? 00:18:00.339 --> 00:18:03.700 Find a Bigfoot costume and go find some random 00:18:03.700 --> 00:18:06.160 animal parts to stuff it with? I don't think 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.700 that's a bad plan. How much money could you possibly 00:18:09.700 --> 00:18:12.460 see come in from that overall though? Well, and 00:18:12.460 --> 00:18:14.599 I guess the real question too is like how quick 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.640 do you need it? Because these guys did like they 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.059 say they've caught it in June and it took at 00:18:19.059 --> 00:18:21.799 least a few weeks to set it up. You look at all 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.299 these people and I don't know if they just have 00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:27.619 that certain gift of people that we've covered 00:18:27.619 --> 00:18:30.619 in the past who are a quote unquote whifters 00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:33.079 that continue to just tell their audience that 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.579 they're just here to make money off of them and 00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:38.119 they're giving them money specifically with stuff 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.160 like this. So I just don't know if it's not people 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.160 who are interested in the topic and are easily 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.819 kind of conned into something like that because 00:18:46.819 --> 00:18:49.640 they're more dispositioned to believe in something 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.500 like that. I don't know what it would be. But 00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:54.559 I don't know. I don't know how it would make 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.359 money faster than that. I don't know either unless 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.700 you already have a following of people. I mean, 00:18:59.700 --> 00:19:01.920 I would sell some stuff on marketplace. Where 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:03.759 do you know how to get into like drug sales or 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.839 something like that? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:19:06.730 --> 00:19:09.890 that I'd be like bigfoot dead bigfoot that's 00:19:09.890 --> 00:19:13.269 the way to do it that wouldn't be my first thing 00:19:13.269 --> 00:19:16.109 no that money I would always almost worry that 00:19:16.109 --> 00:19:18.630 it would be a short -term fix because everybody's 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:21.450 gonna want their money back as soon as they figure 00:19:21.450 --> 00:19:23.789 out which they will figure out that it is not 00:19:23.789 --> 00:19:26.289 a dead body yeah and it doesn't feel like they 00:19:26.289 --> 00:19:29.829 made that much money off of it so it just and 00:19:29.829 --> 00:19:32.509 it just feels like such a dishonest way to make 00:19:32.509 --> 00:19:35.269 money i don't know that that's what i would leap 00:19:35.269 --> 00:19:39.250 at for for my first my first thing to try and 00:19:39.250 --> 00:19:41.890 make money i just it doesn't feel like something 00:19:41.890 --> 00:19:45.150 that i would default to like this got it i got 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:47.549 it we're gonna pretend we got a bigfoot and stuff 00:19:47.549 --> 00:19:50.420 it in i know But anyhow, just so that we're all 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:52.859 clear on the consequences, this next portion 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:56.079 of my script is entitled Consequences. So Witten, 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.440 as we said, was first put on medical leave and 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.500 then the police chief, Jeff Turner, worked on 00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:03.559 paperwork to terminate Witten's employment because 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.000 of the integrity issues involved. Witten had 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.180 lied to the international media and any defense 00:20:08.180 --> 00:20:10.559 lawyer could in the future question his truthfulness 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.000 in court. Fair enough. On August 19th, telephone 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.299 calls to Witten and Dyer were not returned by 00:20:16.299 --> 00:20:19.079 them. Their voicemail spiel, which told of their 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:21.119 search for the Loch Ness Monster and Leprechauns, 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:23.559 had been updated to also include their search 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:27.660 for dinosaurs and big cats. Uh, my voicemail 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:31.259 is all wrong. I just realized. CNN affiliate 00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:35.460 WSB ran video about Witten and Dyer talking about 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:38.700 how their fun quote got legs and ran end quote 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:40.599 and they claimed it was all a joke that got out 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.960 of control. Biscardi searching the Bigfoot, Inc. 00:20:43.460 --> 00:20:45.319 website in an August 19th posting claimed to 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:47.500 be, quote, seeking justice for themselves and 00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:49.619 for all the people who were deceived by this 00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:53.019 deception. So that's Biscardi distancing himself. 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:55.779 Out of all of them, he seemed like the worst 00:20:55.779 --> 00:20:58.000 one, to be honest. And then Witton and Dyer, 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.599 however, use their notoriety in media pursuits. 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.619 Their website, BigfootTracker .com, asked, quote, 00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:06.660 Do you know of a haunted house, hotel, or any 00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:09.720 kind of hoax? It takes hoaxers to bust a hoax, 00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:12.900 end quote. into their YouTube show, Oaks Busters. 00:21:16.220 --> 00:21:18.900 Chelsea, that's the saga of Rick Dyer. What do 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:21.140 you think? I totally remember this. And what 00:21:21.140 --> 00:21:23.299 I meant to ask you, they were on Coast to Coast 00:21:23.299 --> 00:21:25.440 AM, right? This has to be where I know them from. 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:28.640 Viscardi was for sure. I can't remember if Rick 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.740 Dyer ever got on Coast to Coast. And I think 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:32.400 this is actually something that they wouldn't 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.079 be advertising anymore if they were. No, I don't 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.460 think that they would take it on. If he was on 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.619 there, they wouldn't take it off. Yeah, fair 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:43.740 enough. I don't see it. Tom Biscardi has a long 00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:47.079 history as president and CEO of organizations 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.680 in a wide range of businesses, including advertising, 00:21:51.059 --> 00:21:55.319 insurance and marketing consultation. Tom began 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.900 his Bigfoot research in 1967. His first company 00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:03.019 related relating to Bigfoot research was, quote, 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.549 Amazing Horizons Corporation in 1971. According 00:22:07.549 --> 00:22:11.470 to Biscardi's resume, he was founder and expedition 00:22:11.470 --> 00:22:14.369 leader of a principal company responsible for 00:22:14.369 --> 00:22:16.950 the existence of documentation on the legendary 00:22:16.950 --> 00:22:21.490 creature called Bigfoot. His website is GreatAmericanBigfoot 00:22:21.490 --> 00:22:26.089 .com. He has some videos, Bigfoot Alive in 82, 00:22:26.490 --> 00:22:29.029 In the Shadow of Bigfoot, Legend of Bigfoot. 00:22:29.730 --> 00:22:40.160 He was on... Some really random Bigfoot he was 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.480 on Bigfoot roundtable I remember listening to 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.720 this on Coast to Coast AM though, and it's really 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.579 weird Maybe they have wiped it strange. I don't 00:22:49.579 --> 00:22:51.700 see any mention of yeah It's actually really 00:22:51.700 --> 00:22:54.460 weird when you look for Ricky Dyer though most 00:22:54.460 --> 00:22:56.660 of his social media presence. It's not there 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.400 I'm sure I heard this on Coast to Coast Day. 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.700 No, Chelsea, I should say at this point, it turns 00:23:01.700 --> 00:23:03.559 out I'm only halfway through my script. So we're 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.380 going to jump forward to 2012. I thought you 00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:10.039 were closing it out. You fooled me. Dyer claims 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:12.319 to have killed a Bigfoot -like creature in San 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.279 Antonio, Texas in early September. Another, not 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.500 another one, but now he's in possession of another 00:23:17.500 --> 00:23:20.859 dead Bigfoot. Another dead Bigfoot. Okay. And 00:23:20.859 --> 00:23:23.859 he stopped on the way home to purchase a lottery 00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:28.349 ticket as well. I would hope. Let's go through 00:23:28.349 --> 00:23:30.569 this article. It's from CNET back in the day. 00:23:31.009 --> 00:23:32.950 Infamous Bigfoot hunter Rick Dyer claims to have 00:23:32.950 --> 00:23:35.410 shot and killed the elusive Sasquatch and says 00:23:35.410 --> 00:23:38.210 he plans to show off his lifeless corpse on an 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:41.309 upcoming Worldwood media tour. Okay, maybe this 00:23:41.309 --> 00:23:43.730 is what I remember. Though Dyer has tried to 00:23:43.730 --> 00:23:46.150 fool the public before and deservedly faces more 00:23:46.150 --> 00:23:47.990 than a little skepticism, he claims this corpse 00:23:47.990 --> 00:23:50.789 is the real thing. During a September 2012 expedition 00:23:50.789 --> 00:23:54.009 in San Antonio, Texas with BAFTA winning filmmaker 00:23:54.009 --> 00:23:57.339 Morgan Matthews and his British documentary film 00:23:57.339 --> 00:24:00.099 crew in tow Dyer says he lured Hank which is 00:24:00.099 --> 00:24:03.220 what we call it out with quote pork ribs from 00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:06.039 Walmart and quote doused in his special barbecue 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.880 sauce attached to trees quote we nailed them 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.440 all around the trees and then that night we heard 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.420 Bigfoot come back and quote Dyer told Esquire 00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:16.200 quote I chased him down in the middle of the 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.240 night I shot him once he ran I shot him again 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:23.599 and quote the footage in the upcoming film shooting 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.039 Bigfoot which was what they were filming at the 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.369 time. Oh my god, it's shooting. However, there 00:24:30.369 --> 00:24:32.950 is a source out there, a homeless man, who says 00:24:32.950 --> 00:24:36.210 that he was paid to attack the filming crew in 00:24:36.210 --> 00:24:39.450 a staged presence by Dyer. Dyer posted evidence 00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:41.549 in a YouTube video on January 2nd, revealing 00:24:41.549 --> 00:24:44.210 an up -close shot of a Bigfoot without camera 00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:47.910 flashes. Quote, Bigfoot is not Tooth Fairy. Bigfoot 00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:51.250 is real, end quote Dyer told KSAT News. Quote, 00:24:51.250 --> 00:24:53.950 the most important thing to me is being vindicated, 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:56.329 letting people know that I am the best Bigfoot 00:24:56.329 --> 00:24:59.670 tracker in the world. not just me saying it." 00:24:59.670 --> 00:25:01.910 Dyer also told the hosts of an Australian morning 00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:04.609 show that a video of Bigfoot autopsy is completed 00:25:04.609 --> 00:25:07.369 and will be shown soon. He planned a February 00:25:07.369 --> 00:25:10.109 6 press conference to reveal even more Bigfoot 00:25:10.109 --> 00:25:12.789 details, presumably including the dates of the 00:25:12.789 --> 00:25:15.250 Macabre corpse tour across the United States 00:25:15.250 --> 00:25:17.950 and Canada. CNET has contacted Dyer for comment 00:25:17.950 --> 00:25:20.309 on this alleged catch and will update the story 00:25:20.309 --> 00:25:23.619 when and if we hear back. He claimed that an 00:25:23.619 --> 00:25:26.039 unnamed university in Washington state had tested 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.640 the creature's DNA and told Dyer that it was 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.759 an unknown species. Dyer's accomplice and self 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.619 -proclaimed Bigfoot skeptic, Alam Islub, also 00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:38.009 known apparently as Muske -Alan, of Wakanda, 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:41.269 Illinois, claimed to have inspected Dyer's Bigfoot 00:25:41.269 --> 00:25:43.490 in Las Vegas in February 2013 and proclaimed 00:25:43.490 --> 00:25:46.069 it to be the real thing. This claim resulted 00:25:46.069 --> 00:25:48.509 in many people getting sucked into Dyer's scam. 00:25:48.630 --> 00:25:51.250 Dyer called the creature Hank and started touring 00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:53.910 the body around the US and charging people to 00:25:53.910 --> 00:25:56.769 view it. To view the body which lay beneath plexiglass 00:25:56.769 --> 00:25:59.930 in a wooden coffin, adults were charged $10 and 00:25:59.930 --> 00:26:03.690 kids were charged $5. I feel like I go. As much 00:26:03.690 --> 00:26:05.970 as I want to be, I'm like, I'm not the person. 00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:08.049 and that would go to this, I feel like even if 00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:10.930 I knew it was fake, I'd still be like, it's worth 00:26:10.930 --> 00:26:14.329 $10. It's a Bigfoot, I gotta go see a Bigfoot, 00:26:14.390 --> 00:26:17.390 even if it's a fake Bigfoot. I can't just not 00:26:17.390 --> 00:26:20.369 go see. Nobody really knows how much he made 00:26:20.369 --> 00:26:23.150 from this either. Some say it was upwards of 00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:25.829 $500 ,000, but like there's no actual sources 00:26:25.829 --> 00:26:28.910 on it. You would think that the taxman would 00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:30.849 want to know how much he made from that. But 00:26:30.849 --> 00:26:33.470 the taxman don't tell us. That's true. Of the 00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:36.470 creature Dyer stated, quote, DNA, DNA sequencing, 00:26:36.769 --> 00:26:38.710 scans, autopsies, everything you can imagine, 00:26:38.750 --> 00:26:40.950 it was being done, end quote. Some of the media 00:26:40.950 --> 00:26:43.190 endorsed Dyer, including Andrew Clayce. I don't 00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:45.769 know who Andrew Clayce is. No, neither do I. 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.299 Critics soon pointed out that Dyer had pulled 00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:56.460 off a Bigfoot hoax in 2008. I think you're going 00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.079 to be more in to actually get a Bigfoot body. 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.819 Oh, I love that perspective. I love that that's 00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:05.539 where you went with it. That's just thinking 00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:08.640 on the bright side. Well, and maybe even from 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.440 the start, too, when he told people he had a 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.000 body, maybe that was the motivation to actually 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.380 find a Bigfoot body. You know how, like, if you 00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:17.380 say like, oh, he lost 10 pounds on this diet. 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.539 Maybe that's actually motivation to lose 10 pounds. 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.480 But I just love how did nobody realize this in 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.880 the first place? It's in different areas. It's 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.940 not involving Whitten or Biscardi this time around. 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.539 So maybe he thought he could get away with it. 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.079 But it seems like people didn't immediately notice 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.160 that he was the same. guy that ran the hoax at 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.119 the press place. Okay, I love the gusto in it, 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:42.740 at least, at the very least. I don't know for 00:27:42.740 --> 00:27:44.880 sure how they advertise the press conference. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.859 Maybe they didn't say who was going to be saying 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:48.920 they had a body or what was going to be said. 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.420 Okay. And maybe it was like - I gotta think - 00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:55.380 Afterwards. I'm just thinking as a person who 00:27:55.380 --> 00:27:58.839 lives a normal life, I would say I live a normal 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.460 life, I run a Bigfoot hoax. I think, you know, 00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.299 I need money. I can't do a YouTube live. I don't 00:28:05.299 --> 00:28:07.980 have a big enough audience to just tell an audience 00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:10.339 that I need them to give me money. So I'm like, 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.180 OK, I love Bigfoot. I have a Bigfoot costume. 00:28:14.259 --> 00:28:17.660 I'm going to fill it with possums and. fucking 00:28:17.660 --> 00:28:20.079 squirrels and sausage from the store. That's 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.319 a buddy who works down at the meat processing 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.140 plant. He can get me some good stuff. Yeah, and 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.400 I'm gonna make a lot of money at it and then 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:29.920 I'm gonna $2 ,000 and it's gonna be proved it's 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.440 a hoax and I stop. for years and then years later 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.039 i'm like you know what i'm gonna give it another 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.220 go this time without these guys they're everything 00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:42.940 that was wrong with it the last time they fucked 00:28:42.940 --> 00:28:46.279 it all up i'm gonna try this again and so i do 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.319 i don't understand the thinking it's perplexing 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.319 see there's there's more story so don't worry 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.000 we're gonna be even more confounded with everything 00:28:55.059 --> 00:28:57.599 And like, there is a documentary out there called 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.700 Shooting Bigfoot. I can't find it anywhere. It 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:01.579 was on Prime for a while. Why is that the name 00:29:01.579 --> 00:29:04.240 of the doc? Shooting Bigfoot? Yeah, because they 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.619 were, like, literally. He happened to claim that 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.480 he shot the Bigfoot while this was being documented. 00:29:09.819 --> 00:29:12.160 What do Bigfoot, like, what do real Bigfoot, 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:14.859 because there's Bigfoot people. Yes. What do 00:29:14.859 --> 00:29:18.160 they think of this guy? Do you get into that? 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.690 OK, they hate him. Like I even the BS who are 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:25.369 somewhat in the squatcher industry there they 00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:28.349 give the tours they hate this guy Yeah, I could 00:29:28.349 --> 00:29:30.609 see it. I could see it. They have taken down 00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:32.910 their article from 2008 because they don't want 00:29:32.910 --> 00:29:35.430 people confusing this and they hate him Yeah, 00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:38.210 I could see why they hate him shooting Bigfoot. 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:41.250 What a name. What a name I mean it goes right 00:29:41.250 --> 00:29:43.710 alongside with filling a fucking suit of a Bigfoot 00:29:43.710 --> 00:29:46.970 with decomposing animals and throughout the course 00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:49.569 of the hoax die are repeatedly slandered and 00:29:49.450 --> 00:29:51.990 Anyone who openly spoke up about him, many suggested 00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:54.289 this tactic was just more proof that Dyer was 00:29:54.289 --> 00:29:57.210 hoaxing again. Professor Don Jeffrey -Eldrum 00:29:57.210 --> 00:29:59.589 at the Department of Anthropology at Idaho State 00:29:59.589 --> 00:30:01.750 University stated, quote, the thing has clearly 00:30:01.750 --> 00:30:03.970 been fabricated to depict a specimen that has 00:30:03.970 --> 00:30:06.990 been dissected. It's smacks of images of alien 00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:09.410 autopsy, end quote, which is an infamous fake 00:30:09.410 --> 00:30:13.289 video of an actual alien autopsy. I don't know 00:30:13.289 --> 00:30:15.029 if I had to say that, but I feel like I should 00:30:15.029 --> 00:30:18.700 still include it. Yeah, it was in fact an actual 00:30:18.700 --> 00:30:21.279 alien autopsy, I believe, right? Of course, but 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.380 it was done in a way that made it look really 00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:27.460 fake. Yes, just like this bigfoot one, I presume. 00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:28.900 It's kind of like, I don't know if you've ever 00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:31.440 watched Community Chelsea, but John Goodman's 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.220 character puts all of these things around somebody 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:36.500 so that they'll never believe the story that 00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:38.660 you tell them about his air conditioning school. 00:30:38.779 --> 00:30:41.640 Like he has a black Hitler and an astronaut making 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.480 waffles. And it's just so that if you ever tell 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.019 somebody about it, it sounds like it's fake. 00:30:45.259 --> 00:30:47.339 That's how you would record an alien autopsy. 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.579 I love that. OK, that's amazing. I didn't know 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:52.880 John Goodman was on Community. Oh, yeah, it's 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.529 a great little arc there. Responding to the controversy, 00:30:55.829 --> 00:30:58.130 team members working with Dyer on the touring 00:30:58.130 --> 00:31:00.470 and Bigfoot projects overall confronted Dyer. 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:02.589 Andrew Clayce, a spokesperson for the project, 00:31:02.789 --> 00:31:05.630 wrote, quote, I confronted Mr. Dyer in Daytona 00:31:05.630 --> 00:31:07.890 on my suspicions of authenticity. And he admitted 00:31:07.890 --> 00:31:10.150 to me personally that the body of Hank was not 00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:12.670 a real body, but rather a construct of a company 00:31:12.670 --> 00:31:14.930 from Washington state, which was paid by Rick 00:31:14.930 --> 00:31:17.109 Dyer. I am available and willing to cooperate 00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:20.369 with any or state law enforcement investigations 00:31:20.369 --> 00:31:24.670 should they arise. This guy takes his Bigfoot 00:31:24.670 --> 00:31:27.329 stuff way too seriously because he's getting 00:31:27.329 --> 00:31:31.930 charged. Oh, that guy is the true hero of this 00:31:31.930 --> 00:31:34.970 story. Clacey immediately flew back to Australia 00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:38.089 and abandoned both the project and Dyer. Oh, 00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:41.369 I like that guy. Artist Chris Russell of Twisted 00:31:41.369 --> 00:31:44.089 Toy Box in Spokane, Washington says he made the 00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:47.710 Bigfoot Dyer called Hank last November and December. 00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:51.490 Everyone's turning on him. Well, once that came 00:31:51.490 --> 00:31:53.559 out. they started looking for people and this 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.799 guy says, I was told the body would be used in 00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:01.559 making of a film about killing big bucks. Now 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.619 Dyer acknowledges that the body is a fake, but 00:32:03.619 --> 00:32:05.980 he still maintains he did shoot and kill a Bigfoot, 00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:08.400 but fears the real thing would be stolen according 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.339 to the San Antonio News Express. The newspaper 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:14.440 reported that Dyer admitted the hoax on Facebook. 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.559 Quote, From this moment on, I will speak the 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.859 truth. No more lies, tall tales, or wild goose 00:32:20.859 --> 00:32:24.160 chases to mess with the haters. Quote, Which 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.819 has since been deleted. Quote, I never treated 00:32:27.819 --> 00:32:30.579 any bad. I'm a joke. I play around. That's just 00:32:30.579 --> 00:32:34.150 me." Russell says it took about two weeks for 00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:36.529 him and two other artists on his team to make 00:32:36.529 --> 00:32:38.549 Hank. Quote, I was asked to make a prop look 00:32:38.549 --> 00:32:41.589 like a poorly made old and rotten taxidermy prop 00:32:41.589 --> 00:32:44.069 that had not been preserved correctly. Dyer did 00:32:44.069 --> 00:32:46.250 send photos and drawings taken from the internet 00:32:46.250 --> 00:32:48.230 and asked for certain features to be replicated, 00:32:48.269 --> 00:32:50.190 end quote. Russell said in an email that he sent 00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:52.430 photos of the sculpture to Dyer for his approval 00:32:52.430 --> 00:32:55.009 and that Dyer then used a photo to create quote 00:32:55.009 --> 00:32:57.670 a medical scan, end quote of Hank. Quote, this 00:32:57.670 --> 00:32:59.630 medical scan was nothing more than a cell phone 00:32:59.630 --> 00:33:02.119 photo of the head sculpture that I took. was 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.380 put into Photoshop and made into a negative by 00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:07.480 Dyer, end quote. Dyer also wanted a Bigfoot family 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.500 and asked that a baby Bigfoot and female be created. 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.140 Russell said he couldn't make more due to harassment 00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:16.400 I was getting through the internet email and 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:18.819 phone calls. In an interview posted on Facebook, 00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:21.539 Russell said Dyer took precautions about keeping 00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:36.539 the truth about Hank's secret. End quote. Dyer 00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.700 maintains that he actually does have the body 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:40.819 of a real Bigfoot that he shot and killed, but 00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:44.740 cannot produce it. Oh my god. This fucking guy. 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.460 Funny enough, Dr. Melba Ketchum is somewhat involved 00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:52.799 in this. No! It's super weird, because I've googled 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.759 it and I could only find one thing. This is on 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.779 her Facebook page, and it's a comment on March 00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:02.680 1st, 2013. This is Robin writing for Dr. Ketchum. 00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:05.559 As some of you may already know, Mr. Rick Dyer 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.739 asked Dr. Ketchum to come and view the body of 00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:10.940 his Bigfoot. This was made public tonight on 00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:14.119 Blog Talk Radio. At this time, Dr. Ketchum will 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.500 not be commenting other than to say that she 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:19.059 is responding and will be talking with Rick Dyer. 00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:21.460 And that's it. But then, just below it, one of 00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:24.260 the comments says, wait, who changed Dr. Ketchum's 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:26.960 comment? both of them, where she accepted Rick 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.400 Dyer's invitation to see the Bigfoot body being 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.659 held near Vegas. I know she accepted because 00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:33.719 I selected the like button and now it's gone. 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.820 And now there's a third entry, a disclaimer or 00:34:36.820 --> 00:34:39.500 an attempt by her assistant to rephrase Ketchum's 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:42.000 response. So I'm really curious what she had 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.760 said. Oh my god. And yeah, that's his 2012 -2014 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.400 hoax. I think the real question is, what has 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.300 Rick Dyer been up to since 2014 onwards? I think 00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:54.179 that is the real question. I've been wondering. 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:56.780 Especially after, like, he ends it with that 00:34:56.780 --> 00:34:59.179 Facebook comment of like, no more lying, only 00:34:59.179 --> 00:35:01.280 the truth. And then he drops off the face of 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.320 the earth. Kind of. And this is really weird. 00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:05.119 Until recently? We're going to talk about it. 00:35:05.659 --> 00:35:08.980 I have, I asked three AIs what was going on with 00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:11.880 Rick Dyer after the hoax. Two out of the three 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.619 agree with this, but none of this seems to exist 00:35:14.619 --> 00:35:17.559 online anymore. So I think it's reasonable to 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.679 assume this did happen. And that is that Rick 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.800 Dyer took a far right and conspiracy driven career 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.480 from this. Over kind of various platforms. He 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.099 was on Bitshoot, he's on Rumble. What the hell 00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:30.719 is Bitshoot and Rumble? Very far right stuff. 00:35:31.019 --> 00:35:33.420 Okay, that would explain why I don't need. I've 00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:35.579 never even heard of them, so that was all I need 00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:37.860 to know. His presence has been scattered due 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:40.400 to bans and deletions. So some things that came 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.159 up on YouTube. He had a show called Rick Dyer 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.969 TV and the real Rick Dyer. and he discussed COVID 00:35:45.969 --> 00:35:49.750 -19. He had a video titled COVID Scam Exposed, 00:35:49.969 --> 00:35:53.130 2020 election fraud, supporting Trump's big lie, 00:35:53.449 --> 00:35:56.010 cueing on adjacent themes like deep state corruption. 00:35:56.349 --> 00:36:00.110 In a 2021 video, which I can't find, but both 00:36:00.110 --> 00:36:02.690 of the AAs agree it existed, he claimed that 00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:05.969 Fauci funded Bigfoot research to distract from 00:36:05.969 --> 00:36:09.230 COVID lies, which I just don't even know what 00:36:09.230 --> 00:36:11.750 to think of that. I can't form a thought on it. 00:36:11.909 --> 00:36:13.889 He has been on several podcasts, apparently. 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.880 He went on one called The Hagueman Report, which 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.860 is a far right conspiracy podcast. He did a 2021 00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:21.099 interview where he tied Bigfoot to government 00:36:21.099 --> 00:36:24.139 bioengineering and called COVID the plandemic. 00:36:24.219 --> 00:36:26.800 And he went on the Freaky Truth podcast in 2022, 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.440 where he talked about the globalist elite and 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.559 fake news media. He was suspended from Twitter. 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.860 I think he's back on X, but I don't know for 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.119 sure. It's because his names get really weird. 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.639 And he also did a collaboration with a YouTuber 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.260 called The Crypto Kid in 2023, where they discussed 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:46.380 Bigfoot and the New World Order blending cryptozoology 00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:48.880 with far -right conspiracies, and he talked to 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.059 the Flat Earth British guy where Dyer appeared 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:54.559 on his show in 2022 comparing Bigfoot hoaxes 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.719 to NASA lies. Ah, Bigfoot hoaxes, but he's the 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.119 one lying about Bigfoot. Well, allegedly, because 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.380 remember Chelsea, he said he's only doing the 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:05.840 truth from here on out. But he said he's doing 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.039 the truth from here on out, but he also said 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.699 that he just made the doll of Bigfoot because 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.519 the deep state, what have you, took away the 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.119 actual Bigfoot. I did do a bit of a Reddit search 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.980 for him, and I did find that apparently he did 00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:23.860 post a video in 2019 where this is the title 00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:26.639 of the Reddit post. Another Rick Dyer hoax in 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.599 the making. Holy shit, Dyer is going for the 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.159 trifecta. And it's a five minute video basically 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.579 explaining how he has another body in 2019. Oh 00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.360 my god. Chelsea, I just got to share with you 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:41.199 now. This is from seven months ago. I found this 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:45.199 video of Rick Dyer on his official page. It took 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.699 me a while to figure this out. His official page 00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.380 is Rick the car guy, and he's just giving a life 00:37:50.380 --> 00:37:54.199 update. No. So he's still a used car salesman? 00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:56.360 He does a whole other thing. He owns two used 00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.940 car dealerships, and he invested $10 ,000 in 00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:02.860 Dogecoin when it first dropped, and he's made 00:38:02.860 --> 00:38:04.900 apparently pretty good money off it. I could 00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:07.739 see it actually. See, you make more money off 00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:11.659 that than faking a Bigfoot, so why fake a Bigfoot? 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.460 Why fake it is my question. I don't get it. And 00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:17.440 Chelsea, I just need to show you this part of 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:32.849 his life update. I've never been convicted of 00:38:32.849 --> 00:38:36.389 anything at all, not even one speeding ticket 00:38:36.389 --> 00:38:39.670 in my whole life. Contrary to popular belief, 00:38:40.329 --> 00:38:43.250 most people believe, oh, I'm some sort of scammer 00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:46.070 or I'm some sort of this or that. But the fact 00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:48.829 of the matter is I'm not. I am the world's greatest 00:38:48.829 --> 00:38:51.170 Bigfoot hunter, and that's where a lot of this 00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:53.849 comes from. And some people think I'm ashamed 00:38:53.849 --> 00:38:57.030 of my Bigfoot days. Man, my Bigfoot days are 00:38:57.030 --> 00:38:59.639 now. we just signed another contract with the 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.820 Discovery Channel and we're going to go hunt 00:39:01.820 --> 00:39:03.420 for them again and we're going to get another 00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.659 body and we're going to tour the country again. 00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:07.719 No you're not. I'm proud of that. And I would 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.280 do it again and again and again. In fact I have 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.199 my own channel on YouTube and TikTok it's called 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.179 Bigfoot Master Tracker. Look it up and follow 00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:19.780 me. But this time is going to be a lot bigger 00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:24.199 a lot better and a hundred times more entertaining. 00:39:24.570 --> 00:39:27.409 We found the beast in 2008, we found the beast 00:39:27.409 --> 00:39:30.570 in 2012, and we're going to find them again in 00:39:30.570 --> 00:39:35.030 2025. And we're close this time. So my name is 00:39:35.030 --> 00:39:39.690 Rick Dyer and I am the king of course. Discovery? 00:39:40.389 --> 00:39:45.309 No. We got to take him at his word. But yeah. 00:39:45.590 --> 00:39:49.909 When is this from? Seven months ago. Yeah. Discovery 00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:53.349 would not give a contract, would they? I would 00:39:53.349 --> 00:39:56.860 hope not. but he has like he has a name putting 00:39:56.860 --> 00:39:59.940 out some pretty shit tv and like the guy is a 00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:03.940 character yeah i could see it discovery host 00:40:03.940 --> 00:40:07.500 tlc now and they put out some pretty shit tv 00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:09.980 these days so i could actually see it without 00:40:09.980 --> 00:40:12.360 them doing their full research behind the guy 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:16.119 them actually putting him on tv uh i didn't like 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.900 how that ends and you wonder why he's the one 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:22.260 i decided to follow from this No, that was good. 00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:25.820 The shame about Bigfoot is I love Bigfoot, which 00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:28.179 is why you told me I was going to like this episode, 00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:31.119 I think. Yeah, there's some pretty cool stuff 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.900 when it comes to Bigfoot. And that's why I say 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.460 I would be a taken in if somebody was touring, 00:40:36.460 --> 00:40:39.420 be like, here's a Bigfoot. I would totally pay 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:42.420 $10 to see a Bigfoot. Not that I want to see 00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.699 a costume stuffed with animal carcasses, but 00:40:45.699 --> 00:40:48.710 the costume was. with animal carcasses they just 00:40:48.710 --> 00:40:51.070 gotta somebody professionally make it up well 00:40:51.070 --> 00:40:53.730 the first one in a freezer oh yeah the first 00:40:53.730 --> 00:40:56.429 one yeah no we don't want to smell that but there's 00:40:56.429 --> 00:40:59.070 some pretty cool stuff to do with Bigfoot and 00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:02.280 we've done really good Bigfoot episodes before. 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.440 So it just pains me to see Bigfoot painted in 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.239 this light of some guy that just continually 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.719 is hoaxing this stuff because Bigfoot is a majestic 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.139 being who does not deserve to be portrayed in 00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:19.500 this light. I found this guy to be like such 00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.079 an interesting character in that like he just 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.760 keeps doing it. Just keeps doing it. But why 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.739 would you keep doing it? And it's not just if 00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:31.179 you're faking Bigfoot. it would be anything, 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.239 even Stanley Tiger. That was kind of the child's 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.059 adjacent things that he had to deal with. But 00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:40.239 it almost sounded like after the 2008 one, they 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.920 were going to expand out into other things and 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.659 like find a Loch Ness monster body. And like, 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.000 I think he thought it was like too hard and he's 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.280 just gonna go back to doing gorilla suits. Cause 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.159 that's the easiest thing to fake at the end of 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.900 the day. You're right. We've been covering Loch 00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:57.019 Ness a little. They're really watching it. Cause 00:41:57.019 --> 00:42:00.300 remember the last thing we covered was them watching 00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:04.079 AI with Loch Ness. So they're really on top of 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.300 it. Bigfoot's a whole other thing because the 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:09.840 Loch Ness... is like fully relying on tourism 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.559 for that. Bigfoot, not so much as other than 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.320 a few. There's an area that people rely heavily 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.440 on it. Like there might be a few businesses that 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.940 do, but like an entire town. Well, there is. 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.159 I would say specifically for my area, Harrison 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.920 Hot Springs. No, but it's not finding that Bigfoot. 00:42:26.980 --> 00:42:29.679 It's more about like the lore about it. there 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.980 it is the lore because of the actual draws the 00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.980 hot springs the indigenous around that area however 00:42:36.980 --> 00:42:39.880 to the town itself there's lots of Bigfoots around 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.619 the town they have Bigfoot tours that you can 00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:45.320 go on they have a Bigfoot Center that you can 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.940 go to so I would argue that a little bit and 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:51.340 I think there's a few towns around the PNW that 00:42:51.340 --> 00:42:54.179 are the same way they fully rely on Bigfoot I 00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:56.260 can't say for other parts of the country I'm 00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:58.539 sure just like you would find the Mothman is 00:42:58.539 --> 00:43:00.510 probably probably a huge thing for Point Pleasant, 00:43:00.730 --> 00:43:03.630 but it's in different ways than you would find 00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:07.610 with that. But strange that he would be caught 00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:10.489 for a hoax or twice and decide to do it some 00:43:10.489 --> 00:43:13.389 more. Each time he said, no, I still have a body. 00:43:13.750 --> 00:43:17.429 Yeah, he's really sticking with it. And then. 00:43:17.610 --> 00:43:20.469 How would you even go about getting, you just 00:43:20.469 --> 00:43:22.929 know he's the one that went to Discovery about 00:43:22.929 --> 00:43:25.389 it to get a show. I'm interested to see if he 00:43:25.389 --> 00:43:27.809 actually gets a show or if it's not something 00:43:27.809 --> 00:43:30.510 that he's just making up to get more views or 00:43:30.510 --> 00:43:32.250 something. I guess this is something we might 00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:34.789 see play out. Poor Bigfoot. In the meantime, 00:43:34.989 --> 00:43:36.789 I've been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey 00:43:36.789 --> 00:43:38.449 to the Fringe. Thank you all for listening. 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