WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:13.419 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:13.419 --> 00:00:16.339 to Journey to the Fringe. Your mileage may vary, 00:00:16.379 --> 00:00:19.600 but I do like to think that that's because everybody's 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.120 journey to the fringe is an individual endeavor. 00:00:22.780 --> 00:00:27.280 Ah, that was beautiful. We are your unique and 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:29.460 special podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea here 00:00:29.460 --> 00:00:32.659 today. Chelsea, we're going over, it's hard to 00:00:32.659 --> 00:00:37.439 explain, I think. But Canada just came out with 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.960 a UFO report and this was published in June of 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:45.320 2025 By the office of the chief science advisor 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:48.320 Wow, I don't think the chief science advisor 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.840 actually wrote it She did have a forward for 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.179 it But my guess is is that it was written by 00:00:53.179 --> 00:00:55.820 her office But basically it was written to kind 00:00:55.820 --> 00:00:58.840 of talk about the status of UAPs in Canada as 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.159 of today I can't complain with those that Canada 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.879 has generally as a whole over the world towards 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:12.140 UFOs. We seem pretty liberal to it and accepting 00:01:12.140 --> 00:01:17.579 of it. And we have declassified UFO files for 00:01:17.579 --> 00:01:20.560 Shake Harbor for one. We've done tons of research 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.640 on it. We had that one guy, Hellier, I can't 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.959 remember his name right now. He was a part of 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.079 the government that really loved to talk about 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:34.780 UFOs. I just love our - Yeah, we've put out coins 00:01:34.780 --> 00:01:39.069 with with famous UFO sighting and that does come 00:01:39.069 --> 00:01:42.450 up in this episode i just i can't you gotta love 00:01:42.450 --> 00:01:44.750 the canadian government for the stance they take 00:01:44.750 --> 00:01:46.569 on it i don't really think they're trying to 00:01:46.569 --> 00:01:49.290 refresh and you know what i do find this very 00:01:49.290 --> 00:01:51.829 interesting i do think this shines a great light 00:01:51.829 --> 00:01:54.829 because we're always looking at it from the conspiratorial 00:01:54.829 --> 00:01:58.209 the the what if true side of these stories yeah 00:01:58.209 --> 00:02:00.469 i do find it interesting to look at what is the 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:03.030 government saying about this stuff though they 00:02:03.030 --> 00:02:05.670 did a full report it's going to explain why they 00:02:05.579 --> 00:02:07.799 it as we get going but we're just gonna read 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:09.840 through quite a bit of it I did had to cut down 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.639 significantly which did include cutting out potential 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.800 communications with ET societies which was an 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.520 entire thing this went down a rabbit hole this 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:24.539 entire paper went down why would you see we might 00:02:24.539 --> 00:02:26.919 do it in a separate episode later on as well 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.560 as I hope you make note of it other countries 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.979 responses to UAPs so to keep this episode to 00:02:32.979 --> 00:02:35.560 a reasonable level we had to cut those parts 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.400 out and we might talk about them in the future. 00:02:37.539 --> 00:02:40.520 Other than that, I basically just edited it down 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.560 for keeping it to a reasonable length. I'm so 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.659 excited now. So without much more, we're gonna 00:02:46.659 --> 00:02:49.180 be reading the report of the Sky Canada Project 00:02:49.180 --> 00:02:51.240 from the Office of the Chief Science Advisor 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.939 of Canada titled, Management of Public Reporting 00:02:53.939 --> 00:02:56.460 of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena on Canada. I 00:02:56.460 --> 00:02:59.800 kept this first sentence of the first like three 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:01.460 paragraphs in here just because I wanted you 00:03:01.460 --> 00:03:04.409 to understand how they wrote this. Since the 00:03:04.409 --> 00:03:07.490 dawn of humanity, the sky has been a profound 00:03:07.490 --> 00:03:10.810 source of fascination, wonder, and inspiration. 00:03:11.050 --> 00:03:13.069 It went on that way for three paragraphs. I had 00:03:13.069 --> 00:03:18.870 to cut that out. It also ends with that too. 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.900 In Canada, as elsewhere in the world, people 00:03:22.900 --> 00:03:25.280 are intrigued by what are now referred to as 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.180 unidentified aerial phenomena, UAPs, which sometimes 00:03:28.180 --> 00:03:30.620 arouse considerable curiosity and debate. While 00:03:30.620 --> 00:03:33.400 many UAP reports can be attributed to optical 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.219 illusions, atmospheric phenomena, or human activity, 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:39.500 a minority remain unexplained for a myriad of 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:41.879 reasons, including a lack of reliable data that 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.069 prevents rigorous scientific analysis. Yet these 00:03:45.069 --> 00:03:47.490 unexplained sightings generate interest and can 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:49.810 be the source of misinformation or disinformation. 00:03:50.009 --> 00:03:52.210 One of the primary issues with misinformation 00:03:52.210 --> 00:03:54.389 and disinformation is their impact on public 00:03:54.389 --> 00:03:57.219 trust. When people are repeatedly exposed to 00:03:57.219 --> 00:04:00.240 false narratives, they may become skeptical of 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.000 credible sources, including scientists, journalists 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.860 and government institutions. In early 2023, several 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:09.060 incidents in Canada caught the public's attention. 00:04:09.419 --> 00:04:11.919 Over a two week period, four unidentified flying 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.120 objects flew over North America. The first and 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.199 most widely reported in the media was a balloon 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.660 which flew across Alaska, Western Canada and 00:04:20.660 --> 00:04:23.019 easterly across the United States from January 00:04:23.019 --> 00:04:25.689 28th to February 4th. the U .S. eventually shot 00:04:25.689 --> 00:04:28.529 it down over the U .S. waters off South Carolina. 00:04:28.689 --> 00:04:30.329 From the recovered debris, it was identified 00:04:30.329 --> 00:04:32.470 as originating from a foreign country and carried 00:04:32.470 --> 00:04:35.490 sophisticated equipment. One week later, on February 00:04:35.490 --> 00:04:38.810 11, 2023, the North American aerospace defense 00:04:38.810 --> 00:04:41.310 NORAD ordered the downing of a smaller balloon 00:04:41.310 --> 00:04:44.389 over Yukon. These incidents highlighted the importance 00:04:44.389 --> 00:04:46.810 of government investigations of what appears 00:04:46.810 --> 00:04:49.310 in the sky and how complex it is to distinguish 00:04:49.310 --> 00:04:51.769 between natural occurrences, common technological 00:04:51.769 --> 00:04:54.769 devices and potential security. concerns. This 00:04:54.769 --> 00:04:57.629 report aims to set a milestone in Canada's pursuit 00:04:57.629 --> 00:05:00.089 of a better approach to the management and study 00:05:00.089 --> 00:05:02.750 of UAPs. And Chelsea, those are the events that 00:05:02.750 --> 00:05:04.949 spurred this paper to be written. The weather 00:05:04.949 --> 00:05:07.529 balloons from China. After you said that, that 00:05:07.529 --> 00:05:10.589 kind of sparked within myself that that's probably 00:05:10.589 --> 00:05:12.990 what was the cause of it because that was a big 00:05:12.990 --> 00:05:15.740 thing that happened within recent history. So 00:05:15.740 --> 00:05:18.439 now I'm very excited. Do they talk about what 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.980 it was? They actually don't, but it was a weather 00:05:20.980 --> 00:05:24.279 balloon. I don't think there's any dispute over 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.779 being a weather balloon. Yeah. God damn it. I 00:05:26.779 --> 00:05:29.720 hate that explanation, but okay. And I should 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.060 say the Office of the Chief Science Advisor in 00:05:32.060 --> 00:05:34.720 Canada shortens to OCSA. It comes up right here. 00:05:34.819 --> 00:05:39.120 In 2023, the OCSA announced the creation of the 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.040 Sky Canada Project. At the outset, its main objectives 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.579 were to review current UAP reporting methods 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:47.310 and and propose improvements as needed, to enable 00:05:47.310 --> 00:05:49.709 Canada's federal government to optimize the collection 00:05:49.709 --> 00:05:52.490 and analysis of UAP observations in a transparent 00:05:52.490 --> 00:05:54.829 manner, to provide insight for better tools to 00:05:54.829 --> 00:05:57.410 combat misinformation and disinformation, which 00:05:57.410 --> 00:06:00.629 I find very interesting, and to encourage participatory 00:06:00.629 --> 00:06:03.189 science and public understanding of aerial phenomena, 00:06:03.310 --> 00:06:05.689 and to support monitoring of Canada's airspace. 00:06:05.910 --> 00:06:10.709 See, this is my tax money going to good use, 00:06:10.730 --> 00:06:13.769 I feel like. Yeah, and I think you actually are 00:06:13.769 --> 00:06:16.060 gonna like what happens from here as well. They've 00:06:16.060 --> 00:06:18.519 done a good job over these two years. This is 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.120 just like heartwarming because I was getting 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:27.899 really pissed off at things. OCSA established 00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:30.660 boundaries on what Sky Canada project did not 00:06:30.660 --> 00:06:33.379 intend to address. It is not meant to prove or 00:06:33.379 --> 00:06:36.180 disprove the existence of ET life or ET visitors. 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.899 Collect or analyze firsthand data such as photos, 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:41.949 videos, or individual UAP siting reports. be 00:06:41.949 --> 00:06:44.490 seen as an endeavor to make the Office of the 00:06:44.490 --> 00:06:47.449 Chief Scientific Advisor the primary point of 00:06:47.449 --> 00:06:50.269 contact for reporting UAP sightings, or position 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:52.970 the OCSA as the lead organization for initiating 00:06:52.970 --> 00:06:55.209 or managing internal collaboration related to 00:06:55.209 --> 00:06:58.410 UAP research for investigation. Oh, okay. Yeah, 00:06:58.449 --> 00:07:00.829 it's set in the parameters for the paper, and 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:03.389 it moves on to the story of UFO to UAPs from 00:07:03.389 --> 00:07:06.689 here. Okay. Until recently, the term UFO was 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:08.769 used to describe aerial phenomena that could 00:07:08.769 --> 00:07:12.180 not be conclusively identified. Those are definitionally 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:14.399 unidentified, but this does not imply that they 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.379 are extraterrestrial, that they define natural 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:18.579 or scientific explanation, or that they would 00:07:18.579 --> 00:07:21.079 not be identifiable with access to additional 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.839 or better data and tools. The abbreviation UAP 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.519 is a newer and increasingly more prevalent term. 00:07:27.740 --> 00:07:30.220 UAP includes a broader set of movements, such 00:07:30.220 --> 00:07:32.660 as being stationary in the air, falling or floating 00:07:32.660 --> 00:07:35.519 and submerging in water, as well as phenomena 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.459 that are not material objects such as gases and 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:41.980 lights. The terminology shift reduces the historical 00:07:41.980 --> 00:07:45.120 stigma associated with the UFO sightings. Witnesses 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.639 were often met with skepticism and ridicule leading 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:50.220 to a negative perception and arbitrary judgments 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:53.839 being cast upon them. Stigmatization can have 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.980 significant consequences such as discouraging 00:07:55.980 --> 00:07:58.579 witnesses from coming forward and hindering scientific 00:07:58.579 --> 00:08:01.759 inquiry. The new more encompassing UAP terminology 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.120 can help promote greater transparency, credibility, 00:08:05.379 --> 00:08:08.079 and acceptance of research in professional and 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.959 scientific circles and in the wider public. While 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.360 the term UFO continues to be used, governments 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:15.759 and other organizations are gradually adopting 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.519 the more comprehensive term UAP. This report 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.160 will use the abbreviation UAP when describing 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.579 more recent activity and UFO when dealing with 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:26.540 more historical ones. Most UAP sightings can 00:08:26.540 --> 00:08:29.100 be explained through careful investigation and 00:08:29.100 --> 00:08:31.939 analysis, given sufficient reliable data. For 00:08:31.939 --> 00:08:35.120 example, France's group who collects information 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.740 on their behalf, it's called the Gaipan United 00:08:37.740 --> 00:08:40.139 Airspace Phenomenon Research and Information 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:42.419 Group, which investigates UAP settings in France, 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:46.980 reports that 3 ,188 cases collected by 2025 had 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:50.460 only 3 .2 % of cases remaining unidentified after 00:08:50.460 --> 00:08:54.080 investigation. Furthermore, 31 .4 % of cases 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.080 could not be explained due to insufficient data. 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.960 Similarly, MUFON, Canada reports that of the 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:03.600 321 sightings that investigated in 2023, 31 % 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.120 could not be conclusively explained due to the 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:09.159 information being too vague. Most UAP observations 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.899 can be attributed to relatively simple explanations, 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.120 including conventional aircrafts, weather phenomena, 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.299 which includes atmospheric conditions that can 00:09:17.299 --> 00:09:20.580 create unusual visual effects, crystal, ice crystals, 00:09:20.940 --> 00:09:23.120 storms, clouds, or temperature inversions can 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.500 sometimes make lights or objects appear unusual. 00:09:25.580 --> 00:09:28.299 hard -to -identify ways. Astronomical objects 00:09:28.299 --> 00:09:30.879 such as planet stars or meteors. Man -made objects 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.000 such as weather balloons, drones, satellites, 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.720 sky lanterns or experimental aircrafts. These 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.240 objects may have unusual flight patterns or lighting 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.259 that can cause confusion. Optical illusions such 00:09:41.259 --> 00:09:44.100 as reflections, lens flares or other optical 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:46.139 effects can create the appearance of something 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:49.059 unusual in the sky. And human error. Misinterpretation 00:09:49.059 --> 00:09:51.740 of everyday objects or phenomena such as aircraft 00:09:51.740 --> 00:09:53.940 lights seen from different angles can lead to 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:56.610 UAP reports. I could see and I think this is 00:09:56.610 --> 00:09:58.870 a good time to bring up as well. I think that 00:09:58.870 --> 00:10:01.889 I brought this up to you. Not while we were recording 00:10:01.889 --> 00:10:05.889 once, Taylor, but I did see posted just a week 00:10:05.889 --> 00:10:10.690 or two ago a video from someone in Alberta capturing. 00:10:10.970 --> 00:10:14.110 ball lightning yeah you did and that's the first 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:18.429 recorded video of it yeah so just something to 00:10:18.429 --> 00:10:21.029 throw in there when you're talking about meteorological 00:10:21.029 --> 00:10:23.429 events and stuff like that ball lightning has 00:10:23.429 --> 00:10:26.570 actually been captured on video by now someone 00:10:26.570 --> 00:10:29.149 in alberta which is one of those things that 00:10:29.149 --> 00:10:31.370 everyone always says a ufo is ball lightning 00:10:31.370 --> 00:10:36.289 so yeah it does exist Nonetheless, some UAP sightings 00:10:36.289 --> 00:10:38.750 for which data exists remain unexplained even 00:10:38.750 --> 00:10:41.169 after investigation. That's the end of that section. 00:10:41.210 --> 00:10:42.870 We're going to move on to tackling the puzzle. 00:10:43.070 --> 00:10:45.490 New technologies can contribute to UAP reporting 00:10:45.490 --> 00:10:48.389 and analysis. For example, the tech startup Enigma 00:10:48.389 --> 00:10:51.850 Labs launched a real -time iOS app for phones 00:10:51.850 --> 00:10:54.950 in 2023. This application captures sightings 00:10:54.950 --> 00:10:57.090 and compiles them into a standardized searchable 00:10:57.090 --> 00:10:59.750 database that can be analyzed. The Enigma app 00:10:59.750 --> 00:11:02.970 includes over 14 ,000 UAP sighting reports from 00:11:02.970 --> 00:11:05.259 Canva. app, some of which cover historical sighting 00:11:05.259 --> 00:11:07.559 reports downloaded from other sources. Interestingly, 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.620 the survey by Earncliffe's Strategies for the 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:13.139 Sky Canada Project found that two in five respondents 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:15.559 are interested in using a phone app to document 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.500 UAPs. The use of artificial intelligence in this 00:11:18.500 --> 00:11:20.960 context is particularly promising. With growing 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.139 volume of data enabled by smartphone technologies, 00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:26.879 such as an incomeal ads application, AI could 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.000 significantly streamline and standardize the 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.580 process of examining and assessing UAP sightings. 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:34.559 AI can assist in sifting through vast amount 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.179 of data from various sources, such as databases, 00:11:37.659 --> 00:11:39.759 tracking airplane locations, satellites, stars, 00:11:39.980 --> 00:11:42.620 planets and weather conditions. This capability 00:11:42.620 --> 00:11:45.360 could aid in interpreting visual data from UAP 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.289 sightings more accurately and identifying trends. 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:51.370 Such initiatives could be crucial in transitioning 00:11:51.370 --> 00:11:53.889 from anecdotal evidence to more scientifically 00:11:53.889 --> 00:11:57.700 rigorous analysis and may contribute to enhancing 00:11:57.700 --> 00:12:00.320 the quality of UAP research. So that's the end 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.580 of that section, it was really short. And then 00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:04.860 we move on to breaking the stigma, the challenges 00:12:04.860 --> 00:12:08.139 of academic research on UAPs. Despite a valid 00:12:08.139 --> 00:12:10.960 scientific rationale for studying UAPs, many 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.620 academic research communities seem to fear stigma 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:15.899 associated with pursuing research on this topic. 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:19.120 A recent survey of 1 ,460 tenured and tenure 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.580 -track faculty members in 144 research -intensive 00:12:22.580 --> 00:12:24.679 universities in the United States revealed that 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.740 53 % believe that UAP -related research would 00:12:27.740 --> 00:12:30.860 jeopardize their tenure or promotion, even though 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:33.860 only 7 % had a negative opinion of this type 00:12:33.860 --> 00:12:37.659 of research. A review by the OCSA of two of Canada's 00:12:37.659 --> 00:12:39.659 main federal research funding agencies found 00:12:39.659 --> 00:12:42.840 very few funded projects related to UAPs. For 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.679 example, over the last 25 years, there have been 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.059 no grants or funding applications directly related 00:12:49.059 --> 00:12:51.899 to UAPs at the Natural Science and Engineering 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:55.350 Research Council of Canada. and only seven applications 00:12:55.350 --> 00:12:57.769 and two grants of scholarships from the Social 00:12:57.769 --> 00:13:00.370 Sciences and Humanities Research Council. Consistent 00:13:00.370 --> 00:13:03.230 with this, the OCSA only found a dozen graduate 00:13:03.230 --> 00:13:06.370 -level dissertations related to UAPs in Canada 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:09.809 over the same 25 -year period. Among those was 00:13:09.809 --> 00:13:12.690 Matthew Hayes' research at Trent University that 00:13:12.690 --> 00:13:14.710 gave rise to a comprehensive book titled, Search 00:13:14.710 --> 00:13:17.190 for the Unknown, Canada's UFO Files and the Rise 00:13:17.190 --> 00:13:20.009 of Conspiracy Theory. The book explores the history 00:13:20.009 --> 00:13:22.190 of UAP sightings in Canada, the response from 00:13:22.190 --> 00:13:24.470 the government and the resulting perception from 00:13:24.470 --> 00:13:26.610 the public. I found that really interesting. 00:13:26.830 --> 00:13:28.490 They're actually looking at this and saying like, 00:13:28.690 --> 00:13:31.450 there's no funding going to this educationally, 00:13:31.590 --> 00:13:34.129 and there's a big stigma attached to it. So there's 00:13:34.129 --> 00:13:36.070 something that needs to be done here. So that's 00:13:36.070 --> 00:13:38.090 the end of that section. We're moving on to empowering 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:40.090 discovery, the role of participatory science 00:13:40.090 --> 00:13:42.490 and engaging communities. Participatory sciences, 00:13:42.690 --> 00:13:45.129 and I do have to say this section got cut from 00:13:45.129 --> 00:13:47.029 significantly because it had a lot to do with 00:13:47.029 --> 00:13:50.190 finding other alien life and the cosmos. I really 00:13:50.190 --> 00:13:53.700 want to know what it said. Participatory science, 00:13:53.980 --> 00:13:56.259 historically called citizen science, involves 00:13:56.259 --> 00:13:58.500 engaging the public as research assistants in 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:00.779 projects. It allows researchers to collect vast 00:14:00.779 --> 00:14:03.019 amounts of data over large geographical areas 00:14:03.019 --> 00:14:05.419 and longer periods than would be feasible from 00:14:05.419 --> 00:14:07.379 a small team of scientists and a limited number 00:14:07.379 --> 00:14:10.379 of instruments. This approach accelerates scientific 00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:12.720 discovery and strengthens public confidence in 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.820 science. Additionally, participatory science 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:17.659 fosters scientific literacy by providing new 00:14:17.659 --> 00:14:20.120 opportunities for individuals to actively participate 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.440 in research. collaborating with scientists in 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.419 data collection, analysis and interpretation, 00:14:24.740 --> 00:14:26.559 while learning about the scientific method. As 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.500 noted in the House of Commons Standing Committee 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:31.299 on Science and Research report on citizen science, 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.940 these initiatives are particularly valuable for 00:14:33.940 --> 00:14:37.360 addressing data gaps and informing public policy, 00:14:37.500 --> 00:14:39.879 especially in the health and environmental fields. 00:14:40.019 --> 00:14:42.500 Such contributions demonstrate the vital role 00:14:42.500 --> 00:14:44.940 citizen scientists can play in advancing knowledge 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:47.539 and supporting evidence -based decision -making. 00:14:47.860 --> 00:14:51.120 We're moving on to UAPs and the public. Like 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.139 I said, there's a lot of words I need to get 00:14:53.139 --> 00:14:55.419 through, so I came in this script with a mission. 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.000 The way reports of UAP sightings are framed and 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.440 disseminated significantly influence public perception. 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.019 Some sightings gain widespread attention, fueled 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:06.460 by compelling eyewitness accounts, documented 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:09.600 evidence, or extraordinary circumstances. Media 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.080 coverage and pop culture have further shaped 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.419 these narratives, embedding certain cases in 00:15:14.419 --> 00:15:16.840 the collective memory. In particular, well -documented 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.240 Canadian sightings, such as the Falcon Lake encounter, 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.879 or the Shag Harbor incident have become cultural 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.679 touchstones commemorated not only in local lore 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.240 but also through initiatives like the Royal Canadian 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.740 Mint's UAP -themed coins. Despite the intrigue, 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.379 the discourse around UAPs is often fragmented 00:15:33.379 --> 00:15:36.179 with inconsistent reporting mechanisms and varying 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:38.620 levels of credibility among sources. The rise 00:15:38.620 --> 00:15:41.740 of conspiracy theories, disinformation, and sensationalism 00:15:41.740 --> 00:15:44.019 can further muddy the waters, making it harder 00:15:44.019 --> 00:15:46.080 for the public to discern fact from fiction. 00:15:46.259 --> 00:15:49.309 With growing fascination, complexity, and uncertainty, 00:15:49.610 --> 00:15:52.169 the UAP field has also experienced a rise in 00:15:52.169 --> 00:15:55.190 misinformation and disinformation. The Sky Canada 00:15:55.190 --> 00:15:57.409 Project examined current government reporting 00:15:57.409 --> 00:15:59.830 practices on UAPs to determine the extent to 00:15:59.830 --> 00:16:01.870 which these practices could address two types 00:16:01.870 --> 00:16:04.210 of information related problems, misinformation 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:07.730 and disinformation. Misinformation refers to 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:11.090 any inaccurate or false information that circulates 00:16:11.090 --> 00:16:14.259 unintentionally in the public sphere. often long 00:16:14.259 --> 00:16:16.440 after the information has been proven wrong. 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:19.500 Well, disinformation involves false information 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:22.659 deliberately intended to mislead people. In recent 00:16:22.659 --> 00:16:25.240 years, disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.899 theories have increasingly caught the attention 00:16:27.899 --> 00:16:31.100 of researchers from various fields. One key insight 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:33.659 from this research is the importance of rapidly 00:16:33.659 --> 00:16:36.559 offering clear explanations to counter or at 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.139 least reduce the spread of misleading ideas. 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:41.980 In today's world of information overload, gaps 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.269 in information are often quickly filled by disinformation 00:16:45.269 --> 00:16:48.409 or misinformation. When people experience uncertainty 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:51.710 or fear, they are more likely to seek explanations 00:16:51.710 --> 00:16:55.990 to regain control over their situation. Disinformation 00:16:55.990 --> 00:16:59.090 provides false, but sometimes comforting explanations, 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:01.710 which can be appealing even if they are not based 00:17:01.710 --> 00:17:04.609 on fact. People may seek explanations that confirm 00:17:04.609 --> 00:17:06.890 their existing beliefs, potentially leading to 00:17:06.890 --> 00:17:09.930 them accepting biased conclusions or conspiracy 00:17:09.930 --> 00:17:11.890 theories. Research has shown that conspiracy 00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:18.089 theories This is a cognitive bias that people 00:17:18.089 --> 00:17:20.210 tend to believe the first piece of information 00:17:20.210 --> 00:17:23.049 they hear even if it's later proven false. Reactive 00:17:23.049 --> 00:17:25.569 strategies like debunking or striking back tend 00:17:25.569 --> 00:17:28.109 to be less effective than preventative strategies. 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.400 Such preventative, also called pre -bunking, 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.339 appears to be the most successful approach. This 00:17:34.339 --> 00:17:36.859 involves providing correct information ahead 00:17:36.859 --> 00:17:39.119 of time to prevent the spread of falsehoods. 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:41.579 An open and transparent dialogue with the public, 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:43.779 especially from trusted figures such as scientists, 00:17:43.940 --> 00:17:46.720 is essential in reducing information gaps and 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.420 building trust in institutions. When people trust 00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:51.319 the source of information, they are less likely 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.579 to embrace conspiracy theories. This highlights 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:56.579 the need for a reliable, credible source of information 00:17:56.579 --> 00:17:59.089 on UAPs, one that can quickly and accurately 00:17:59.089 --> 00:18:01.890 provide explanations to the witnesses, the media, 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:04.470 and the broader public. Another major concern 00:18:04.470 --> 00:18:06.630 is the role of technology in accelerating the 00:18:06.630 --> 00:18:09.210 spread of false information. Social media platforms. 00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:12.619 The recommendation algorithms and deep fake technology 00:18:12.619 --> 00:18:14.640 make it increasingly difficult to distinguish 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.059 between fact and fiction. Ultimately, combating 00:18:17.059 --> 00:18:19.160 misinformation and disinformation requires a 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.279 combination of media literacy, responsible technology 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.619 use, and proactive fact -checking efforts from 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:27.480 both individuals and institutions. For this to 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.420 happen, a clear and transparent framework for 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:33.140 data reporting and analysis needs to be in place. 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.539 So that's their conspiracy section, which I found 00:18:35.539 --> 00:18:37.980 very interesting what they focused on. It is 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:40.960 very interesting. It seems really like they're 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:46.779 trying to foster openness. Yes. That is a great 00:18:46.779 --> 00:18:50.119 word that I wasn't going to say. Okay. I just 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:51.799 feel like they're really saying, hey, if you 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.220 actually just comment on these things immediately, 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.940 you can get this debunking you have to do later. 00:18:57.210 --> 00:19:00.190 harder out of the way. It's almost like they're 00:19:00.190 --> 00:19:03.269 trying to make it so there's less of a stigma 00:19:03.269 --> 00:19:06.470 for people to report UFOs. I know we've had this 00:19:06.470 --> 00:19:08.930 conversation a lot too, how there's a very weird 00:19:08.930 --> 00:19:13.150 pipeline of fringe groups who extreme far right 00:19:13.150 --> 00:19:16.069 political beliefs, which seems to come from the 00:19:16.069 --> 00:19:18.490 conspiracy side. And I do think that what they 00:19:18.490 --> 00:19:20.829 just described is something that happens within 00:19:20.829 --> 00:19:24.170 these groups. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And 00:19:24.170 --> 00:19:26.990 it's also saying that people are less willing 00:19:26.990 --> 00:19:29.950 to do things around it because of the stigma 00:19:29.950 --> 00:19:32.369 behind it. So it sounds like they're trying to 00:19:32.369 --> 00:19:36.630 combat that as well, which is refreshing. Public 00:19:36.630 --> 00:19:39.490 sightings of UAPs can be perplexing to individuals 00:19:39.490 --> 00:19:41.769 who experience them, prompting a search for information 00:19:41.769 --> 00:19:43.970 and answers. While this search can open people 00:19:43.970 --> 00:19:46.190 to scientific reasoning, it can also make the 00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:48.390 public vulnerable to misinformation, disinformation, 00:19:48.609 --> 00:19:50.690 and conspiracy theories, especially if they do 00:19:50.690 --> 00:19:52.950 not know which trusted organizations can help 00:19:52.950 --> 00:19:55.009 them. Although most reports of UAP sightings 00:19:55.009 --> 00:19:57.150 attract little attention, some become famous. 00:19:57.369 --> 00:19:59.430 When reported sightings fuel media coverage, 00:19:59.650 --> 00:20:01.630 prompt government action or scientific research, 00:20:01.789 --> 00:20:04.490 or permeate pop culture through movies or books, 00:20:04.589 --> 00:20:06.539 they can embed themselves in collective memory. 00:20:07.099 --> 00:20:09.140 The following five sightings are among the best 00:20:09.140 --> 00:20:11.839 -known UAP cases reported in Canada over the 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.180 past decades and have been commemorated by the 00:20:14.180 --> 00:20:17.579 Royal Canadian Mint on coins. May 20th, 1967, 00:20:17.980 --> 00:20:20.200 Vulcan Lake, Manitoba. We've done an episode 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.259 on that. October 4th, 1967, Shag Harbor, Nova 00:20:24.259 --> 00:20:26.440 Scotia. We've done an episode on that. October 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.880 26th, 1978, near Clarenville, Newfoundland in 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.119 Labrador. Never even heard of this one. Several 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:33.940 witnesses, including a constable of the Royal 00:20:33.940 --> 00:20:36.099 Canadian Mounted Police RCMP, reported seeing 00:20:36.099 --> 00:20:38.460 an oval -shaped object over the harbour. No material 00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:42.119 evidence was found. November 7, 1990, Montreal. 00:20:42.299 --> 00:20:45.259 A large oval -shaped luminous phenomenon was 00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:47.339 observed in the evening over the rooftop pool 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:50.619 of the Bonaventure Hotel by about 40 witnesses, 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.579 including journalists and police officers. Air 00:20:53.579 --> 00:20:55.819 traffic control confirmed there was no radar 00:20:55.819 --> 00:20:59.200 activity in the area. On December 11, 1996, at 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.099 Yukon, at least 31 people in four different areas 00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:04.519 of Yukon reported seeing a row of lights in the 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.079 sky, which many described as resembling a spacecraft. 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:09.480 The phenomenon was later observed by several 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.640 others in different locations. Wow. So many that 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.700 I didn't know. I mean, I know the first two are 00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:17.839 renowned. These ones didn't really have a name. 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.880 But even to identify those as big cases in a 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.799 government report, I think was huge. Oh, yeah, 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.460 absolutely. I think we need to look into those 00:21:27.460 --> 00:21:31.230 three. Given the ephemeral nature of UAP sightings, 00:21:31.430 --> 00:21:33.430 reporting and analyzing them can bring together 00:21:33.430 --> 00:21:35.849 very different people and institutions, often 00:21:35.849 --> 00:21:38.910 in a half -hazard way. UAP sightings can come 00:21:38.910 --> 00:21:41.410 from a variety of sources, including ordinary 00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:44.269 citizens, airline pilots, and military personnel, 00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:46.130 and can be reported to different authorities 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:48.029 depending on the circumstances. The incidents 00:21:48.029 --> 00:21:50.430 of UAP sightings have been analyzed over the 00:21:50.430 --> 00:21:53.089 years by various survey organizations and researchers. 00:21:53.230 --> 00:21:55.970 In 1974, Gallup conducted what may have been 00:21:55.970 --> 00:21:58.029 the first survey of the Canadian public regarding 00:21:58.029 --> 00:22:00.869 UFOs. The results showed that 67 % of respondents 00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:03.390 had heard of UFOs while 8 % believed that they 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:06.730 had seen one. By 78, 81 % of Canadians had heard 00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:09.069 of UFOs while 10 % thought they had seen one. 00:22:09.450 --> 00:22:12.230 In 2024, Ernst Cliff survey for the Sky Canada 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:15.630 project found that 27 % of 1 ,008 respondents 00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:18.410 reported having observed an object or phenomenon 00:22:18.410 --> 00:22:20.470 in the sky that they could not identify, with 00:22:20.470 --> 00:22:22.890 11 % claiming to have made such an observation 00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:26.369 in the past year. That seems ridiculously high. 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:28.740 Do you think? Like, just a little over one in 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:30.700 four people has seen something in the sky they 00:22:30.700 --> 00:22:34.220 could not explain. Damn it, why am I the three 00:22:34.220 --> 00:22:38.460 of those people? I know. We got two of the four 00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:41.259 here who did not fall into the one of the four. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.000 Yeah, what are the odds? Not likely, pretty much. 00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:50.140 That is high. Especially Canada is such a huge 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:53.539 country. Most of our population is to the southern 00:22:53.539 --> 00:22:56.920 end of Canada. And the crazy thing is one in 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.960 four people said they've seen something in the 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:01.380 sky they couldn't explain. One in 10 said they 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:05.240 saw it in 2024. Those are crazy numbers. Yeah. 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.359 And all our populations are pretty much in big 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.480 cities. We have such a small population for how 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.200 big of a country we have. That's a huge... number 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.660 for how many people are in Canada versus how 00:23:17.660 --> 00:23:20.039 much land we have. Because what are the odds 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.759 of where these UAPs, pardon me, are going to 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.960 be sited? Well, where the people are. Yeah, exactly. 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.440 Exactly. And that amounts for so many more that 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.640 could potentially be being seen. No, they're 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.160 not flying over the uninhabited parts of Canada. 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.240 They're just sticking to the cities. That would 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.880 actually explain a lot, so forgive me. Keep going. 00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:47.539 Okay. Based on data published by a number of 00:23:47.539 --> 00:23:49.420 organizations, it can be estimated that between 00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:52.220 600 and 1000 cases of UAP sightings are reported 00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:54.599 each year in Canada. In the absence of a single 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.680 data collection organization, the number and 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:58.700 nature of these observations cannot be established 00:23:58.700 --> 00:24:00.839 conclusively for many reasons, including the 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.000 possibility that the same sighting is reported 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.259 separately by more than one organization. This 00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:07.680 makes it difficult to get a precise idea of the 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.880 scale of the phenomena. In Canada, the long is 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.299 the most recognized collection of UAP sightings. 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.279 is the Canadian UFO survey, produced by a group 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.839 of Manitoba -based volunteers called Ufology 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.519 Research, directed by Mr. Chris Rakowski. In 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:24.799 2023, they tallied 570 UFO reports. Since 1989, 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.859 over 24 ,000 Canadian UFO reports have been catalogued. 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.240 The major sources of this collection include 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:34.440 other UFO organizations. Of note, data from another 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:36.880 organization, MUFON Canada, was not available 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.579 to Ufology Research in 2023, suggesting that 00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:42.240 the list may be incomplete. A survey conducted 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.900 by Ernst Collect in 2024 also suggests that that 00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:47.480 number of sightings may be higher. While advancement 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.839 in technology and scientific inquiry may have 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.339 improved our ability to investigate UAPs, the 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:55.940 lack of standardized reporting mechanisms, fragmented 00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:57.759 data collection, and the spread of misinformation 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.240 complicate efforts to correctly evaluate the 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.339 number of UAP cases in Canada every year. And 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:04.880 that's the end of that section. We're going to 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.779 move on to methodology and findings. The history 00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:10.180 of UAP reporting within the federal government 00:25:10.180 --> 00:25:12.890 spans several decades but includes extended periods 00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:16.170 with minimal or no activity. In 1950 the Department 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:18.250 of Transport granted one of their engineers, 00:25:18.569 --> 00:25:21.009 Wilbert Smith, permission to do part -time research 00:25:21.009 --> 00:25:24.049 to investigate whether some UFOs could use the 00:25:24.049 --> 00:25:26.289 power of Earth's magnetic field as a source of 00:25:26.289 --> 00:25:28.470 propulsion. They called this project Magnet. 00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:31.809 Smith gradually expanded its scope to include 00:25:31.809 --> 00:25:34.789 investigations of the validity of UFO observations. 00:25:35.190 --> 00:25:36.930 Unable to convince his colleagues of the merits 00:25:36.930 --> 00:25:39.089 of his research, Smith had to continue his work 00:25:39.089 --> 00:25:41.529 privately after the Department of Transport terminated 00:25:41.529 --> 00:25:46.400 Project Magnet. In 1952, the Department of Research 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.799 Board, DRB, within the Department of National 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.579 Defense, DND, established a committee called 00:25:51.579 --> 00:25:54.480 Project Second Story to examine the occurrences 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.460 of flying saucers passing over Canada territory 00:25:57.460 --> 00:25:59.900 as reported by different branches of the armed 00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:02.819 services. The committee did not investigate UFO 00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:04.920 sightings, but it developed a standardized form 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.980 to facilitate the reporting of UFOs across various 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:10.420 government departments. This form was never broadly 00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:13.140 adopted or used, so this group was fairly useless. 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.779 The committee held six meetings between 52 and 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:20.000 54 concluding, quote, UFOs pose neither a security 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.019 threat nor were of scientific interest, end quote. 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.319 It recommended ending all investigations by the 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.319 Canadian military. Between 54 and 67, public 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.880 reports continued to be submitted to various 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.019 federal departments and agencies, including the 00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:36.019 RCMP, Transport Canada, the Department of National 00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:38.880 Defense, as well as at local police departments 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.160 and non -federal entities. These organizations 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.119 In 1967, on the recommendations of the Minister 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.700 of National Defense, the responsibility for overseeing 00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:54.470 UFO reports was transferred to the NRC. which 00:26:54.470 --> 00:26:57.130 then became the main service for receiving public 00:26:57.130 --> 00:26:59.650 UFO reports. This transfer responsibility includes 00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:02.630 the classification of D &D's Project Second Story 00:27:02.630 --> 00:27:05.470 and the Department of Transport's Project Magnet, 00:27:05.609 --> 00:27:07.630 as well as taking over the management of previous 00:27:07.630 --> 00:27:10.630 UFO reports. According to the NRC, until 1995, 00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:12.869 they were officially tasked with collecting information 00:27:12.869 --> 00:27:15.569 on UFOs from the public, municipalities, and 00:27:15.569 --> 00:27:17.589 other federal departments such as the RCMP and 00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:20.190 D &D. Most, but not all, UFO reports received 00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:22.710 by the NRC were compiled into what became known 00:27:22.710 --> 00:27:25.890 as the Non - meteoric sightings file. In 95, 00:27:26.029 --> 00:27:28.690 the NRC stopped collecting UFO reports. All related 00:27:28.690 --> 00:27:31.470 material was transferred to what is now known 00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:34.950 as the Library and Archives of Canada, LAC, which 00:27:34.950 --> 00:27:37.529 presently holds these records. LAC's collection 00:27:37.529 --> 00:27:40.670 of UFO documents, estimated at 15 ,000 pages, 00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:43.950 of which 9 ,500 have been digitized, is open 00:27:43.950 --> 00:27:46.470 to the public and provides valuable information 00:27:46.470 --> 00:27:48.769 on the history of UFO sightings and the Canadian 00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:51.660 government's responses to them. The history of 00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:53.720 UAP reporting within Canadian federal government 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.339 reflects a fluctuating level of interest and 00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:58.960 responsibility over time with various departments 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.059 and agencies intermittently engaging in investigations. 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.680 The government's approach evolved but often lacked 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.279 continuity and consistent focus. The limited 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.900 adoption of standardized reporting mechanisms 00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.099 and the eventual cessation of formal investigations 00:28:13.099 --> 00:28:16.240 in 95 marked a decline in federal involvement. 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.779 And I cut this part out because it's going to 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:20.819 be in another episode at some point. consultation 00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:22.920 with federal departments and agencies. I'm just 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.319 going to do the brief part I kept in. The Sky 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.460 Canada Project sought to gain insight on the 00:28:27.460 --> 00:28:30.380 domestic front by identifying organizations in 00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:32.599 Canada that typically receive witness reports 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.259 of UAP sightings and examined whether and how 00:28:35.259 --> 00:28:37.579 they collect, investigate, and follow up on these 00:28:37.579 --> 00:28:39.880 reports. While some departments such as Transport 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.660 Canada have established mechanisms for collecting 00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:45.359 and analyzing UAP -related data, most organizations 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.279 do not investigate sightings unless they intersect 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.980 with their specific The lack of centralized data 00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:55.140 compilation and standardized reporting processes 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:58.220 make it challenging to identify trends to conduct 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:01.420 comprehensive analyses of UAP reports. So that's 00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:04.140 what we get from that. Okay. Citizen led UAP 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.880 groups and organizations. While government efforts 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.579 to study and catalog UAP sightings have fluctuated 00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:12.240 over time, citizen led investigations have remained 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.180 steady. Today, Canada has several citizen driven 00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:17.980 organizations dedicated to receiving, investigating 00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:20.869 and discussing. reports of UAPs. MUFON Canada 00:29:20.869 --> 00:29:23.109 is a non -profit organization that relies on 00:29:23.109 --> 00:29:25.910 civilian volunteers to study reported UAP sightings. 00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:27.769 There are numerous groups at the provincial level 00:29:27.769 --> 00:29:29.589 as well. For example, within the province of 00:29:29.589 --> 00:29:31.750 Quebec, there is the, I'm not gonna try to say 00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:35.849 it, it's the UFO Alert Network, AQU, also known 00:29:35.849 --> 00:29:41.069 as GARPAN. Okay. UFOBC investigates BC and Yukon 00:29:41.069 --> 00:29:42.849 sightings, which I'd never even heard of before 00:29:42.849 --> 00:29:44.910 reading this paper. I don't know that I know 00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:47.210 them off the top of my head. Such organizations 00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:49.569 and initiatives provide platforms for reporting 00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:51.809 sightings, conducting some investigations and 00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:54.450 sharing information. Their existence is indicative 00:29:54.450 --> 00:29:57.589 of a gap in the way UAP sightings are treated 00:29:57.589 --> 00:30:00.309 by both the authorities and the scientific community, 00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:02.789 but their lack of financial resources limits 00:30:02.789 --> 00:30:04.789 their actions, prevents them from offering a 00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:07.730 full suite of services. And from here was supposed 00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:10.450 to get into the global perspective on UAP reporting, 00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:12.730 but that's going to be its own episode sometime 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:15.109 in the future. So I left this one paragraph from 00:30:15.109 --> 00:30:18.599 it. The recent global development in the study 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.039 and investigation of UAPs demonstrates an increasing 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.900 commitment to scientific inquiry and national 00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:28.359 security. Some countries have established formal 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.740 governmental bodies to investigate UAP sightings 00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:32.619 while others have relied on non -governmental 00:30:32.619 --> 00:30:35.259 organizations or citizen science groups to collect 00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:37.720 and analyze reports. The growing recognition 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.420 of the need for robust data collection and international 00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:43.880 cooperation reflects a shared interest in understanding 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.440 these phenomena and and a global shift towards 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.500 a more systematic and open approach to the study 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:52.819 of UAPs. And Chelsea, this is really why we're 00:30:52.819 --> 00:30:56.259 reading this. We are now at the recommendations. 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.440 Okay, good. I need some. The Sky Canada Project 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.539 highlights a significant gap in Canada's approach 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:05.640 to UAP phenomena. As most federal entities lack 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.380 the capacity, mandate, or resources to address 00:31:08.380 --> 00:31:10.660 this issue systematically, public interest in 00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:14.299 greater transparency and improved reporting mechanisms 00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:16.440 underscores the need for coordinated action. 00:31:16.670 --> 00:31:18.910 Insights from non -governmental organizations, 00:31:19.230 --> 00:31:21.269 citizen -driven groups, and independent journalists 00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:23.569 reveals the enduring public fascination with 00:31:23.569 --> 00:31:26.069 UAPs and the potential value for establishing 00:31:26.069 --> 00:31:28.809 a more robust framework for data collection and 00:31:28.809 --> 00:31:30.970 investigation. The survey by Ernst Gliff found 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:33.450 that interest in UAPs is generally moderate. 00:31:33.650 --> 00:31:35.769 However, half the respondents felt that the Canadian 00:31:35.769 --> 00:31:38.190 government should do something about UAP sightings 00:31:38.190 --> 00:31:40.789 and devote funds to the effort, including for 00:31:40.789 --> 00:31:43.529 investigation. The majority of respondents felt 00:31:43.529 --> 00:31:45.809 that the government should set up a service to 00:31:45.809 --> 00:31:48.359 enable Canadians to report their sightings and 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.720 attach importance to transparency of information 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.359 on the subject. Moving forward, the Sky Canada 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.180 project serves as a crucial foundation for discussions 00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.759 on enhancing federal oversight and public engagement 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:03.079 regarding UAPs. By fostering collaboration across 00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.180 departments and with civilian organizations, 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.400 Canada can develop a more cohesive and transparent 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.720 approach to understanding and addressing these 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.299 phenomena. To enable thorough scientific studies 00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:16.029 of UAP sightings, a range of data collection 00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:19.210 and investigative activities would be required. 00:32:19.630 --> 00:32:22.009 For instance, standardized protocols should be 00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:24.549 established to ensure data are comparable in 00:32:24.549 --> 00:32:27.049 their content and format. The fragmented nature 00:32:27.049 --> 00:32:29.829 of UAP reporting across various departments and 00:32:29.829 --> 00:32:32.450 agencies in Canada complicates the application 00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:34.829 of scientific principles. This lack of coordination 00:32:34.829 --> 00:32:37.309 results in inconsistent information collection 00:32:37.309 --> 00:32:39.589 across the government, making it onerous, if 00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:41.950 not impossible, for researchers to access and 00:32:41.950 --> 00:32:44.690 compile data for rigorous science -based analyses. 00:32:44.970 --> 00:32:47.609 Additionally, the fact that investigations of 00:32:47.609 --> 00:32:50.099 reportings are not easily available contributes 00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:52.700 to distrust and disinformation. During the Sky 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:55.059 Canada project, the Office of the Chief Science 00:32:55.059 --> 00:32:58.099 Advisor received about 250 inquiries about Canadians 00:32:58.099 --> 00:33:00.660 regarding various aspects of the project, including 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.900 inquiries about where to report UAP settings 00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:05.380 and requests for government assistance to interpret 00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:08.380 photos and videos despite the Sky Canada website 00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:10.880 clearly stating that the office was not offering 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.200 that service nor collecting such information. 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.220 Which I just find hilarious that people are in 00:33:15.220 --> 00:33:17.490 that position. Yeah. I don't know where to report 00:33:17.490 --> 00:33:19.509 this. It clearly says I don't report it here, 00:33:19.569 --> 00:33:24.079 but I'm going to ask you. Canada would benefit 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.519 from an improved process for reporting, collecting, 00:33:26.740 --> 00:33:29.019 and studying UAP sightings. The approach should 00:33:29.019 --> 00:33:30.980 be more rigorous, transparent, and coordinated 00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:33.859 than is currently the case. The following actions 00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:36.059 are proposed for consideration by the Government 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:38.660 of Canada in order to 1. Improve coordination 00:33:38.660 --> 00:33:41.740 and analyses of UAP reports in Canada 2. Promote 00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:44.960 public trust and mitigate disinformation 3. Enhance 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.380 scientific rigor and science literacy surrounding 00:33:47.380 --> 00:33:50.660 UAPs and 4. Position Canada for greater collaboration 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:53.579 with other countries on a topic that has no geographic 00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:56.500 borders. And here are their points. Reporting 00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:59.359 and data oversight. One, identify a lead. A federal 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.000 department or agency responsible for managing 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.920 public UAP data should be identified. The lead 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.299 should be a trusted and recognized scientific 00:34:07.299 --> 00:34:10.059 organization. Have the capacity to communicate 00:34:10.059 --> 00:34:13.119 with the public and an already established international 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.039 scientific network. For example, Canadian Space 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.380 Agency. Establish a dedicated service. The service 00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:22.059 would collect testimonies, investigate cases, 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.480 and post its analyses publicly. It would proactively 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.139 inform Canadians about UAPs. To achieve these 00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:30.460 goals, it would convene a network of government 00:34:30.460 --> 00:34:33.380 and academic partners and experts to conduct 00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:36.079 scientific analyses and follow up with witnesses. 00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:39.480 Enhance reporting capacity in civil aviation. 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.440 Transport Canada should encourage pilots, cabin 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.800 crews, and air traffic controllers to report 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.440 UAP sightings without fear stigmatization. In 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.300 collaboration with NAV Canada, they should analyze 00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:53.599 UAP reports to track trends and provide pilots 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.900 with explanations helping to reduce distractions 00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:58.699 during flights. These reports could be correlated 00:34:58.699 --> 00:35:00.699 and merged with those submitted by the public 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:03.360 on similar sightings. Next, in communications, 00:35:03.739 --> 00:35:06.599 support public dialogue. A proactive strategy 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.199 to increase transparency and communication with 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.679 the public regarding UAPs should be developed. 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.179 Such a strategy should bring together trusted 00:35:15.210 --> 00:35:18.030 publicly facing organizations, including science 00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:21.010 centers and museums, as well as public libraries. 00:35:21.190 --> 00:35:24.010 Promote intra -governmental collaborations, an 00:35:24.010 --> 00:35:26.989 internal directive to ensure collaboration among 00:35:26.989 --> 00:35:29.949 all federal agencies with relevant expertise 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:33.710 or data would aid the lead organization in providing 00:35:33.710 --> 00:35:36.650 explanations to witnesses and correlating recent 00:35:36.650 --> 00:35:39.090 observations with previous reports. Additionally, 00:35:39.349 --> 00:35:41.849 since some departments would continue to receive 00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:44.329 reports under these mandates, like the RCMP, 00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:47.610 Trans Canada. They should be encouraged to forward 00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:50.050 their data as appropriate to the lead organization. 00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:53.150 Improve media relations. The lead organization 00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:55.989 should play a significant role in mitigating 00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:58.730 misinformation and disinformation by responding 00:35:58.730 --> 00:36:01.650 to public and media inquiries related to UAPs 00:36:01.650 --> 00:36:05.170 and by documenting and communicating common misinterpretations 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:07.949 of observations. Examples of such approaches 00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:11.130 include interactive digital tools are found in 00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:13.800 other countries and promote application of up 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.039 -to -date evidence to effectively address misinformation 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.099 and disinformation. Among others, a multidisciplinary 00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:22.500 expert panel should be set up to advise the lead 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:25.000 organization on effective approaches to countering 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.519 misinformation and disinformation. Research. 00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:31.300 Facilitate open access and open data. Data related 00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:33.400 to UAPs should be made available to the public 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.940 for transparency and to support research. Conduct 00:36:36.940 --> 00:36:39.420 surveys. Periodic surveys of Canadians should 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:42.000 be carried out to gauge their perception of UAPs 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.139 and assess the impact of the dedicated services. 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:48.840 Support citizen science. Participatory science 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.199 initiatives and programs should be developed 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.659 to enable volunteer participation in the study 00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:56.420 of UAPs, among other benefits such as activities 00:36:56.420 --> 00:36:59.199 tend to increase the likelihood of informed citizenry 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.639 and enhance interest of youth in science and 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.719 technology careers. Provide tools for data collection. 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.760 The development and deployment of publicly accessible 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.940 digital and portable tools should be supported 00:37:09.940 --> 00:37:12.039 such as bilingual applications for smartphones 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.019 and interactive platforms to provide information 00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:17.880 including for data collection and ongoing research 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.780 programs and build on Canada's strength in astronomy 00:37:20.780 --> 00:37:23.969 and aerospace research. Canada has a superb talent 00:37:23.969 --> 00:37:26.230 pool and physical research infrastructure and 00:37:26.230 --> 00:37:28.889 is part of major international initiatives aimed 00:37:28.889 --> 00:37:31.269 at understanding our planet and the universe 00:37:31.269 --> 00:37:34.309 and developing tools for space travel and exploration. 00:37:35.329 --> 00:37:38.230 Interesting. The sector should be further supported 00:37:38.230 --> 00:37:40.949 and given opportunities to be part of the public 00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:44.030 dialogue. And lastly, international collaboration. 00:37:44.409 --> 00:37:47.110 Information sharing. The lead organization should 00:37:47.110 --> 00:37:49.929 establish partnerships with international entities 00:37:49.929 --> 00:37:54.010 dedicated to UAPs such as AARO and NASA, CAPAN 00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:58.190 in France, and SAFA in Chile to share data methodologies 00:37:58.190 --> 00:38:01.610 and best practices in UAP research and investigation. 00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:04.530 Cooperation in research and communication. Canada 00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:07.769 should actively engage with international partners 00:38:07.769 --> 00:38:10.010 for research collaboration and public awareness 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:13.070 efforts. And the conclusion. If enacted, the 00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:15.530 recommendations given in this report can drive 00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:18.730 progress in several key areas. Their first goal 00:38:18.730 --> 00:38:22.460 is to increase government transparency on UAPs, 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.280 potentially reducing related conspiracy theories 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.039 and misinformation. Second, setting up clear 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.460 and efficient reporting systems for UAP observations 00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:34.719 will greatly simplify the process, encourage 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.719 more public participation, and support citizen 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.900 -driven science. Improved data from public reports 00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:43.739 will enable more comprehensive and accurate research 00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:46.820 analyses. Investigating UAP reports may also 00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:49.719 enhance airspace security by identifying threats. 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.880 threatening national security through the proactive 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.179 mitigation of risks from UAPs. Finally, these 00:38:56.179 --> 00:38:58.539 measures will enable Canada to eventually join 00:38:58.539 --> 00:39:01.550 international groups. Efforts concerning UAP 00:39:01.550 --> 00:39:04.309 sightings fostering a comprehensive global approach 00:39:04.309 --> 00:39:07.269 to understand and address the UAP issue. Canada 00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:10.469 can ensure that UAP mysteries inspire future 00:39:10.469 --> 00:39:13.130 generations by fostering curiosity, critical 00:39:13.130 --> 00:39:15.670 thinking, and open -minded investigation. The 00:39:15.670 --> 00:39:18.889 investigation and study of UAPs does belong to 00:39:18.889 --> 00:39:21.889 humanity's quest for knowledge and understanding. 00:39:22.070 --> 00:39:24.429 Adopting more transparent communications and 00:39:24.429 --> 00:39:27.349 robust scientific methods will be a significant 00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:29.909 step forward in promoting public understanding 00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:32.829 and combating misinformation. It is in the spirit 00:39:32.829 --> 00:39:34.949 that the recommendations in this report have 00:39:34.949 --> 00:39:37.190 been formulated. And Chelsea, that's the end 00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:40.329 of the paper. The first thing I want to ask is 00:39:40.329 --> 00:39:42.469 you're the one that put this episode together 00:39:42.469 --> 00:39:45.269 and you cut a lot out of it as well. What do 00:39:45.269 --> 00:39:48.050 you think? I think this is an incredible paper. 00:39:48.369 --> 00:39:51.230 There's really good suggestions in here. We will 00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:54.269 see what actually gets through. But how candid 00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:58.530 they are with the topic at large and just talking 00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:01.289 about like these mystery cases that we are well 00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:03.610 aware of saying, yeah, they're really interesting. 00:40:03.710 --> 00:40:06.690 It's very impressive. It was shocking, basically, 00:40:06.789 --> 00:40:09.469 to see a government body openly say, yeah, these 00:40:09.469 --> 00:40:12.570 cases are crazy. Do you think that it's shocking, 00:40:12.750 --> 00:40:15.630 though? Because like I said, kind of at the beginning, 00:40:16.090 --> 00:40:19.070 Canada has kind of been very liberal about the 00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:23.989 whole UAP phenomenon, typically throughout not 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.059 throughout history, but as far as Canada has 00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:29.800 had a comment on it. They've been better than 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.019 other countries. They haven't been perfect. Like 00:40:32.019 --> 00:40:35.360 we've looked at. It's basically jumped around 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.960 from one government body to another with nobody 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.539 ever wanting to actually take it. The fact that 00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:42.800 it just ended up with the National Library at 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.440 the end is, I think, just a sheer coincidence 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.719 that makes you think that they are fairly liberal 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.880 with the topic. Is it that or is it just that 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.400 nobody kind of knows what to do with the topic? 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.699 It's a fair point because I have found they have 00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:59.780 in any of the topics that we've covered We've 00:40:59.780 --> 00:41:02.559 covered a few of the major ones in Canada to 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.019 be more Obviously because there is a few things 00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:07.980 that we didn't know about them They're the most 00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:11.059 renowned cases in Canada But I did find when 00:41:11.059 --> 00:41:14.159 we covered them that the government actually 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.300 Did a lot a lot of the stuff that we got is documentation 00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:21.019 was directly from the Canadian government Yeah, 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.949 which is abnormal but as far as what i do just 00:41:24.949 --> 00:41:26.849 think it's because everything ended up with the 00:41:26.849 --> 00:41:30.489 national library in 95 and got digitized that's 00:41:30.489 --> 00:41:35.269 true but you compare it to other cases like roswell 00:41:35.269 --> 00:41:38.550 which i don't know if that's a fair comparison 00:41:38.550 --> 00:41:41.889 but the united states government roswell will 00:41:41.889 --> 00:41:44.789 be area 51 which you're talking about an actual 00:41:44.789 --> 00:41:47.949 government location like a secret that's true 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.599 As opposed to some guy coming across something 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.179 that's not government information. That's very 00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:55.420 true. And I'm trying to think of another example 00:41:55.420 --> 00:41:57.860 right now when I can't. I know it's always hard 00:41:57.860 --> 00:42:01.320 off the top of your head. But I mean, especially 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.820 for me, anything that I'm thinking of right now 00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:07.280 is government involved. But you don't really 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.079 see that with Canada is the point that I'm trying 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.960 to make. And anything that we've covered, which 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.320 are renowned cases in Canada, I mean, it's a 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.159 little different with the United States, because 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.250 yes, most most of those are government cases. 00:42:20.369 --> 00:42:22.809 For instance, what I'm talking about is for one, 00:42:22.849 --> 00:42:27.110 Roswell, where we see all these grifters come 00:42:27.110 --> 00:42:30.389 into play and start making their own narrative. 00:42:30.690 --> 00:42:33.190 And it's the same. Oh, yeah, just a completely 00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:35.610 different story. It's the same with Paul Benowitz, 00:42:35.969 --> 00:42:40.730 where the government is intervening and planting 00:42:40.730 --> 00:42:43.650 things for Paul Benowitz to think that there's 00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:46.150 underground bases. And this is the government 00:42:46.150 --> 00:42:48.690 doing that. So it's a completely different role 00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:51.389 that you're seeing from what Canada is involved 00:42:51.389 --> 00:42:53.829 with. And I will include myself with this. We're 00:42:53.829 --> 00:42:56.269 actually being forthcoming with it, I think. 00:42:56.389 --> 00:42:59.510 And I will very happily say after the conclusion, 00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:02.650 they put a list of organizations and individuals 00:43:02.650 --> 00:43:05.250 that were consulted for this report. And Richard 00:43:05.250 --> 00:43:07.989 Doty's name did not make the list. OK, good. 00:43:08.329 --> 00:43:10.230 I thought you were going to say that it did. 00:43:10.349 --> 00:43:16.889 And I was like, oh, no. My next point that I 00:43:16.889 --> 00:43:19.710 would like to make, how do I get a government 00:43:19.710 --> 00:43:23.849 job looking into Canadian UFO keys? And here's 00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:25.949 the sad thing that I have to say. I don't think 00:43:25.949 --> 00:43:28.510 it's actually going to happen because the government 00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:31.269 right now is cutting budgets for everything and 00:43:31.269 --> 00:43:34.329 chopping jobs. So unfortunately, I don't think 00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:36.010 they're going to follow through on much of this. 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.119 I feel like I could have done some good contributions 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.260 to this report that they've put out there. But 00:43:42.260 --> 00:43:45.300 overall, I'm very impressed by what they've put 00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:49.460 together. I feel like it's forthcoming. I feel 00:43:49.460 --> 00:43:53.639 like it's trying to combat the stigma. Yeah, 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.340 and that was one part of it I found really interesting. 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.820 was they really focused on that right wing pipeline 00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:03.239 conspiracy part of it, which is like, we need 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.440 to get out there immediately with information 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.420 so that people's minds can't be hijacked from 00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:11.199 what actually happened here. I am very impressed 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:15.079 by it. I'm very proud as we have been with our 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:18.179 wave of Canadian pride the last little bit. I 00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:21.099 think it's amazing. And I think it's on the forefront 00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:24.400 of things that are looking at UFOs because they 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.710 want to be more open. that more people are reporting. 00:44:27.949 --> 00:44:32.849 They want it to improve safety even. And I can 00:44:32.849 --> 00:44:34.889 get behind that. They don't even care if it's 00:44:34.889 --> 00:44:37.429 real or not, just - Just report it so that there's 00:44:37.429 --> 00:44:40.849 no stigma. Yeah. Not only no stigma, but if you're 00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:42.929 a pilot and you're seeing something that you 00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:45.269 can't account for, you should be reporting it 00:44:45.269 --> 00:44:48.849 for safety issues. Not because you don't want 00:44:48.849 --> 00:44:51.630 to, because it's a UAP and you're afraid of what 00:44:51.630 --> 00:44:53.570 people are going to say. I am a little worried 00:44:53.570 --> 00:44:55.880 about Daryl, the pilot who's to be reporting 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.559 all these airplanes he's seeing at night. Yep, 00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:02.780 that's just an airplane, Daryl. Again, it's the 00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:05.739 fifth one you've seen on this flight. I love 00:45:05.739 --> 00:45:09.639 it. I think this is amazing. They did not at 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.420 all address. Maybe you cut it out. I would be 00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:14.980 very offended if you specifically edited out 00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:18.340 the weather balloons that were so big. What was 00:45:18.340 --> 00:45:20.539 that? Two or three years ago now? Two years ago, 00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:23.239 yeah. I briefly cut that part out and it's really 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.699 because like those are fully addressed. They 00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:28.000 were just like, hey, we should take a look at 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.539 our UAP reporting schematics system within Canada. 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.460 So they didn't actually have to address the weather 00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:36.119 balloons. It was like three sentences I cut out 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.000 with regards to the other ones because they were 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.320 very clearly established what they were. Big 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.099 fan of this. I was super impressed too that they 00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:46.699 talked about like getting people's stigma changed 00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:48.780 about this could actually get more people involved 00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:52.099 in the STEM fields because kids love this stuff 00:45:52.099 --> 00:45:54.380 so them learning about it might naturally bring 00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:57.380 them into astronomy. I love that. I think this 00:45:57.380 --> 00:46:00.460 is a feel -good, good news and it's not even 00:46:00.460 --> 00:46:04.280 a mini. But of course ending with Canada is going 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.300 into a budget cutting time. So I don't think 00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:08.639 they're going to follow through with this any 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.639 time soon. I'll keep an eye on the Hansard in 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.820 the next little while. You know what? I can accept 00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:17.320 that given what is facing us currently. Why would 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.679 I expect them to pursue something like this that 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.320 would need funding? So I'll forgive them. Yeah, 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.900 and it definitely needs funding. It is very clear 00:46:27.900 --> 00:46:30.800 that it needs funding. But as soon as we have 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.300 the room. for the funding, I fully expect that 00:46:34.300 --> 00:46:37.039 I will be paid for doing this. We better get 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.019 called up. The thing is how we just gave you 00:46:39.019 --> 00:46:43.840 guys all this publicity. Exactly. Yeah. And what 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.519 a feel good episode. I really like that. And 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.559 with that, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea. 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:50.719 We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:55.460 listening and we'll see you next week. Bye. 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