WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:32.600 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Just one of the 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.520 problems. Yeah. Not all the other problems. We 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.179 can't focus on everything. No, but we did focus 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:41.820 once. We're not gods. And if you could send us 00:00:41.820 --> 00:00:44.880 a donation somewhere, that would be great. We 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.039 have nowhere to take donations yet, but we ought 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.280 to do that. Send it in the mail. We're not going 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.600 to tell you where. Oh yeah, money order. Yeah. 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:56.280 Yeah. Yeah. Also don't address it to Journey 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:58.399 to the Fringe because it is not incorporated. 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.299 We're learning so many things. Please don't incorporate 00:01:01.299 --> 00:01:09.900 it. Nazis and UFOs go together like peanut butter 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:14.620 and jelly, Nessie and the Loch Ness, and Bigfoot 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:18.420 and blurry photos. As you may have put together 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:22.140 by now, today we're diving headfirst into one 00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:26.200 of the holy grails in conspiracy lore. The bizarre 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.920 and persistent theory that the Third Reich didn't 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:33.819 just chase UFOs, they built them. Have you heard 00:01:33.819 --> 00:01:36.980 that before? I have. And Chelsea, this may be 00:01:36.980 --> 00:01:40.640 a controversial opinion. I feel like if we just 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.400 address them as Nazis, it wouldn't be taken as 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.340 seriously. I think we found a loophole. I think 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:50.540 you just gotta say, because there is a rise in 00:01:50.540 --> 00:01:54.879 Nazi views, you just gotta call them Nazis. Because 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.000 that does not sound as mean in any way. It doesn't. 00:01:58.260 --> 00:02:00.700 So I think that's a tip we shouldn't have just 00:02:00.700 --> 00:02:03.379 given. We should still probably just call them 00:02:03.379 --> 00:02:06.640 Nazis. Oh no, I mean like for people who are 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.780 adhering to Nazi values, you call them Nazis, 00:02:10.259 --> 00:02:13.159 they will feel embarrassed. that's true i do 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.780 like that 90 percent of their worldview is about 00:02:16.780 --> 00:02:19.699 them being taken seriously and looking authoritative 00:02:19.699 --> 00:02:21.960 and it's putting fear into others so calling 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.599 them a nacy i think that works i do think it 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.780 works actually i would be interested to see how 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:32.840 hurt you get calling them that to a nacy sympathizer 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.240 wonder if they because generally when you call 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.740 somebody a nasty there's going to be a fight 00:02:36.740 --> 00:02:40.270 about They're a Nazi. But I think that completely 00:02:40.270 --> 00:02:43.949 disarms them from defending themselves. You're 00:02:43.949 --> 00:02:47.550 like, wait, you're a Nazi, aren't you? I don't 00:02:47.550 --> 00:02:49.889 know. I feel like they would accept it at that 00:02:49.889 --> 00:02:52.930 point. I mean, if you call someone a racist, 00:02:53.150 --> 00:02:55.210 that one's kind of a toss up. But if you're a 00:02:55.210 --> 00:02:58.449 Nazi and you like them, I think you pretty much 00:02:58.449 --> 00:03:01.409 own it. But that's enough Nazi talk. Today we're 00:03:01.409 --> 00:03:07.370 talking about Nazis. and their UFOs. Yeah. From 00:03:07.370 --> 00:03:11.229 secret Antarctica bases to supposed saucers in 00:03:11.229 --> 00:03:15.490 the skies over 1940s Germany, this episode explores 00:03:15.490 --> 00:03:20.069 how wartime science, Cold War paranoia, and fringe 00:03:20.069 --> 00:03:23.919 speculation, I said it, collided. to give us 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.060 one of the strangest stories history never officially 00:03:27.060 --> 00:03:30.000 told. Officially. Let's start at the beginning. 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.780 And by Chelsea, sorry, by history you mean history 00:03:33.780 --> 00:03:36.539 the concept, not history the channel. Because 00:03:36.539 --> 00:03:39.060 history the channel has definitely explored this. 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:43.259 Oh, so much. It specifically innates the UFO 00:03:43.259 --> 00:03:46.159 channel, I think. So I think we just need to 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.800 clarify. History the concept, not the channel. 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.800 Yeah, that. So. Let's start at the beginning. 00:03:52.860 --> 00:03:56.080 I think this is actually covered in one of the 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.439 first podcast episodes We did the beginning being 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.659 Foo Fighters. Yes. Yeah, I think it was on the 00:04:02.659 --> 00:04:05.639 first episode I believe it was too because yeah 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.659 You don't have to go back and relisten to that 00:04:08.659 --> 00:04:12.400 just I'll just cover it right here. Don't go 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:17.560 listen to it in World War two a variety of unusual 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.819 and anomalous aerial phenomena were witnessed 00:04:20.819 --> 00:04:24.899 by both Axis and Allied personnel. I think that 00:04:24.899 --> 00:04:31.560 that might mean not anybody but the Nazis, right? 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:36.279 I think so. Axis and Allied. Yeah, Axis is the 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.300 Nazis. Oh, it is. Sorry, yeah, I wasn't quite 00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:45.439 paying attention. No, Axis, Axis are the Italians 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.629 and the Germans and the Japanese. okay so they're 00:04:49.629 --> 00:04:53.350 the allies okay so i was right yeah okay my my 00:04:53.350 --> 00:04:55.069 assumptions were right then it was just words 00:04:55.069 --> 00:04:59.149 i didn't recognize as happens quite often if 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:02.790 you remember back to our first ish episode the 00:05:02.790 --> 00:05:07.149 nonsense word for foo in foo fighters emerged 00:05:07.149 --> 00:05:10.230 in popular culture during the 30s first being 00:05:10.230 --> 00:05:13.370 used by cartoonist Bill Holman, who peppered 00:05:13.370 --> 00:05:17.050 his Smokey Stover fireman cartoon character strips 00:05:17.050 --> 00:05:21.149 with foo signs and puns. So maybe today they 00:05:21.149 --> 00:05:23.689 would have used a word like skibbity or something. 00:05:24.069 --> 00:05:26.810 Skibbity toilets in the skies over Ohio is what 00:05:26.810 --> 00:05:29.230 they would be called. I'm pretty sure that's 00:05:29.230 --> 00:05:32.350 what they would be called. So the comic strip 00:05:32.350 --> 00:05:34.850 featured the catchphrase, where there's skibbity 00:05:34.850 --> 00:05:39.040 Ohio toilets, there's fire. It's foo. Foo sounds 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.720 a lot better than that. Wait. Which led to the 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.360 foo fighters. When I type in foo signs, Chinese 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.519 characters come up. Was this like an Asian connotation 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.459 to - Oh, it might be. What it was? Cause I was 00:05:51.459 --> 00:05:52.879 trying to see, cause you said there were foo 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.879 signs. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know if that's 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.819 - Hold on, let me look. Smokey Stover. It very 00:05:57.819 --> 00:06:01.220 well could be racist. Foo signs Smokey Stover. 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:06.459 I don't see. Fighter of foo. I definitely - recognize 00:06:06.459 --> 00:06:09.959 this, uh, art style from Smokey Stover. I don't 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.819 see - It has to be racist. Yeah, it pro - huh. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.740 Okay. Interesting. I never put that together. 00:06:16.060 --> 00:06:20.060 Neither did I. Yeah, it's racist. Based on this 00:06:20.060 --> 00:06:23.639 image I just pulled up. Okay. As much as you 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:28.540 would think for a 1930s comic. So... The comic 00:06:28.540 --> 00:06:30.939 strip featured the catchphrase, quote, where 00:06:30.939 --> 00:06:33.699 there's food, there's fire, end quote. And Donald 00:06:33.699 --> 00:06:38.100 J. Mears, a radar operator in the 415th Night 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:41.639 Fighter Squadron and a fan of the comic, is credited 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.120 by his squadron as the one who named the mysterious 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.439 aerial phenomena Foo Fighters. Also, how the 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.129 Foo Fighters, the band, got their name. FYI. 00:06:51.410 --> 00:06:55.209 I do just want to add I spelt Foo F -U which 00:06:55.209 --> 00:06:57.610 might have impacted what I was seeing and Foo 00:06:57.610 --> 00:07:00.470 Fighters spelt F -O -O so this might be on you. 00:07:00.470 --> 00:07:01.629 I should clarify that's how they're spelling 00:07:01.629 --> 00:07:06.230 it F -O -O however I'm looking at these comics 00:07:06.230 --> 00:07:09.470 and I'm pretty sure it is still a little bit 00:07:09.470 --> 00:07:12.769 racist. It would also kind of make sense if you're 00:07:12.769 --> 00:07:14.529 saying like there's this foreign thing in the 00:07:14.529 --> 00:07:17.879 sky you might think it's Asian. I don't know. 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.540 And it's the 30s, so there's gotta be a little 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:23.160 bit of racism and practically everything just 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:27.000 sprinkled in there. Oh, if it ain't whiskey or 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.439 racism, then it didn't exist in the 1930s through 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.040 50s. Exactly. During a debriefing on November 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.300 27, 1944, after encountering a strange red ball 00:07:38.300 --> 00:07:41.699 of fire while flying, Mears, visibly shaken, 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.360 referred to it as, quote, another one of those 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.899 fucking Foo Fighters, end quote, referencing 00:07:46.899 --> 00:07:49.800 the comic he carried with him. That's kind of 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.839 an obscure reference to make, though, to just 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.800 a random person, so I'm surprised that it stuck, 00:07:56.019 --> 00:07:58.560 because if the person had never seen the comic, 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.579 they'd be like, what the fuck did you just say 00:08:00.579 --> 00:08:03.300 to me? I don't know, Sunday comics in the day 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:05.680 were like... Oh, I forgot about Sunday comics. 00:08:06.259 --> 00:08:08.959 Yeah, they were the thing. They don't have that 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.399 anymore, do they? I mean, they still exist. They're 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.579 just not Sunday comics anymore. They're just 00:08:14.579 --> 00:08:16.939 online. I never thought they were that great. 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:19.480 They were just something that if you had a newspaper, 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.800 you looked at them because they were the best 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:23.779 part of the newspaper, especially as a child. 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.319 They were like the Saturday morning cartoons 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.459 with Mike Sobel as the newspaper. Like that was 00:08:31.459 --> 00:08:34.110 the equivalent. because nothing else mattered 00:08:34.110 --> 00:08:36.950 in the newspaper other than the games too which 00:08:36.950 --> 00:08:39.889 were on the same page yeah yeah no that was the 00:08:39.889 --> 00:08:43.850 only page he looked at as a child so as the misperceptions 00:08:43.850 --> 00:08:46.850 of troops in the heat of combat others were taken 00:08:46.850 --> 00:08:50.429 seriously and led scientists such as louise alvarez 00:08:50.429 --> 00:08:54.779 began to investigate them In at least some cases, 00:08:55.139 --> 00:08:57.379 Allied intelligence and commanders suspected 00:08:57.379 --> 00:09:00.440 or assumed that Foo Fighters reported in the 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.559 European theatre represented advanced German 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.659 aircraft or weapons. Particularly given that 00:09:06.659 --> 00:09:09.419 Germans had already developed such technological 00:09:09.419 --> 00:09:13.379 innovations as V1 and V2 missiles and the first 00:09:13.379 --> 00:09:17.100 operational jet -powered Mi -262 fighter planes, 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.620 a minority of Foo Fighters seemed to have inflicted 00:09:20.620 --> 00:09:23.059 damage to Allied aircraft. Wait, did you say 00:09:23.059 --> 00:09:26.500 they were called the Me Too? Yeah. No, Me Too 00:09:26.500 --> 00:09:30.220 6 -2. Oh, okay. Sorry, that cut off there because 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:32.659 I just found it really weird that later on, the 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:35.000 US comes out with a plane called the U2. There's 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.620 a Me Too and then a U2. Like the much -hated 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:40.419 band that put an album onto everybody's IDs. 00:09:40.500 --> 00:09:45.320 Yeah, they did it. I can't believe that The Edge 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.000 and Bono figured out how to do it, but boy, how 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.259 did they? I can't believe they gave us free stuff. 00:09:50.500 --> 00:09:54.179 Hey, seriously, just Google the me 262 aircraft 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:57.960 right now. It's a flying shark. It's a flying 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.200 whale. It's a sea creature. That's for sure. 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:06.080 Am I right? Oh, it was Messerschmitt me 262. 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:10.720 OK, um, it looks like an ordinary World War Two 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.899 plane. This looks like a flying shark. OK. I 00:10:13.899 --> 00:10:18.240 mean, it kind of reminds me of those bombers 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.019 that they would draw like the shark's mouth onto. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.039 Yeah, maybe that's what I like. Yeah. Yeah. This 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:29.080 third one with the shark. OK, I got to go back. 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:30.820 Well, yeah. And this one is specifically painted 00:10:30.820 --> 00:10:33.419 like a shark. Yeah, I see where you're seeing 00:10:33.419 --> 00:10:38.690 it. Now they all look like. OK, so. I'm not going 00:10:38.690 --> 00:10:41.009 to spend much time on this one since we covered 00:10:41.009 --> 00:10:43.789 it in a previous episode that you probably shouldn't 00:10:43.789 --> 00:10:47.230 go back and listen to. But there are tons of 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:49.509 sightings of these things. So here are a couple 00:10:49.509 --> 00:10:51.669 just so you don't have to go back to listen to 00:10:51.669 --> 00:10:56.850 that. Charles R. Bastien of the U .S. 8th Air 00:10:56.850 --> 00:10:59.429 Force reported one of the first encounters with 00:10:59.429 --> 00:11:02.049 Foo Fighters over the Belgium Netherlands area. 00:11:02.299 --> 00:11:05.559 He described them as, quote, two fog lights flying 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.399 at high rates of speed that could change direction 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.940 rapidly, end quote. During debriefing, his intelligence 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:15.000 officer told him that two RAF night fighters 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.700 had reported the same thing and it was later 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:21.120 reported in British newspapers. Another sighting 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:25.100 career US Air Force pilot Dwayne Adams related 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:28.259 that he had witnessed two occurrences of a bright 00:11:28.259 --> 00:11:30.960 light which paced his aircraft for about half 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.399 an hour then rapidly ascended into the sky. Both 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.100 incidents occurred at night both over the South 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:39.899 Pacific and both were witnessed by the entire 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:42.899 aircraft crew. The first sighting occurred shortly 00:11:42.899 --> 00:11:46.419 after the end of World War II while Adams piloted 00:11:46.419 --> 00:11:49.480 a B -25 bomber. The second sighting occurred 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:53.179 in the early 60s when Adams was piloting a KC 00:11:53.179 --> 00:11:56.759 -135 tanker. So this one was South Pacific versus 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.460 the other one was in Europe. Third, Senator Ted 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:02.899 Stevens described an encounter from the time 00:12:02.899 --> 00:12:05.580 he was a U .S. Air Force fighter pilot during 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:08.799 World War II as recounted by Senator Harry Reid, 00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:11.460 quote, I was flying. and there was an object 00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:14.220 next to me. I couldn't get rid of it. I slowed 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:17.759 up. It was there. I sped up. It was there. I 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.580 would dive. It would be there. I called. Nothing 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:23.830 on radar." End quote. That's Foo Fighters. Next 00:12:23.830 --> 00:12:26.250 we're going to talk about for a little bit is 00:12:26.250 --> 00:12:29.730 Ghost Rockets. And Ghost Rockets were missile 00:12:29.730 --> 00:12:33.850 -shaped UFOs reported mainly in Sweden and nearby 00:12:33.850 --> 00:12:38.710 countries to Sweden in 1946 with about 2 ,000 00:12:38.710 --> 00:12:41.710 sightings. Some confirmed by radar. 1946. That's 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:45.970 well after World War II, isn't it? I don't know 00:12:45.970 --> 00:12:51.129 that. Is it? World War II ended on September 00:12:51.129 --> 00:12:54.110 2nd, 1945, but that's with the surrender of Japan. 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:58.250 The Western Front ended in 43, I want to say. 00:12:58.509 --> 00:13:02.970 Oh no, it ended in 45, though, for sure. 46, 00:13:03.309 --> 00:13:07.740 I'm right, so... Huh, okay. You know what, that 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:10.120 does track though, because once World War II 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.000 ends, all the rocket scientists get kind of divvied 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.399 out between Russia and the US. So this is likely 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.570 Nazis in Russia doing it. USSR. They have about 00:13:20.570 --> 00:13:23.789 2 ,000 sightings, some confirmed by radar and 00:13:23.789 --> 00:13:27.309 physical fragments. So they happened in 1946 00:13:27.309 --> 00:13:30.129 and there's about 2 ,000 sightings that were 00:13:30.129 --> 00:13:34.009 logged between May and December 1946, which is 00:13:34.009 --> 00:13:40.549 huge and peaks on 9 and 11 of August 1946. 200 00:13:40.549 --> 00:13:43.870 sightings were verified with radar returns and 00:13:43.870 --> 00:13:46.450 authorities recovered physical fragments which 00:13:46.450 --> 00:13:49.669 were attributed to ghost rockets. the ghost rocket 00:13:49.669 --> 00:13:52.769 reports were not confined to scandinavian countries 00:13:52.769 --> 00:13:55.389 similar objects were also reported early the 00:13:55.389 --> 00:13:58.509 following month by british army units in greece 00:13:58.509 --> 00:14:02.169 especially around oh man greek is just as bad 00:14:02.169 --> 00:14:05.269 as any other language that we try to pronounce 00:14:05.269 --> 00:14:10.769 especially english in an interview on september 00:14:10.769 --> 00:14:14.830 5th 1946 the greek prime minister constantinos 00:14:16.340 --> 00:14:19.259 Selvaris likewise reported a number of projectiles 00:14:19.259 --> 00:14:22.799 that had been seen over Macedonia and Thessaloniki 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.720 on September 1st. In mid -September they were 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.519 also seen in Portugal and then Belgium and Northern 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.519 Italy. The Greek government conducted their own 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.259 investigation with their leading scientist physicist 00:14:34.259 --> 00:14:38.320 Dr. Paul Santorini's in charge. Santorini's had 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.600 been a developer of the proximity fuse on the 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.899 first A -bomb and held patents on guidance systems 00:14:44.899 --> 00:14:48.759 for Nike missiles and radar systems. Santorini's 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.259 was supplied by the Greek Army with a team of 00:14:51.259 --> 00:14:53.720 engineers to investigate what again were believed 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.879 to be Soviet missiles flying over Greece. In 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.080 a 1967 lecture to the Greek Astronomical Society 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.580 broadcast on Athens Radio, Santorini's first 00:15:04.580 --> 00:15:06.799 publicly revealed what had been found in his 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:10.639 1947 investigation. well we soon established 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.600 that they were not missiles but before we could 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.759 do anything more the army after conferring with 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.480 foreign officials in brackets presumably us defense 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.620 department and bracket ordered the investigation 00:15:23.620 --> 00:15:26.220 stopped foreign students from washington flew 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:29.809 to greece for secret talks with me Santorini's 00:15:29.809 --> 00:15:33.350 told UFO researchers such as Raymond Fowler that 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:35.750 secrecy was invoked because officials were afraid 00:15:35.750 --> 00:15:38.649 to admit of the superior technology against which 00:15:38.649 --> 00:15:41.820 we have no possibility of defense. While many 00:15:41.820 --> 00:15:45.320 were likely meteors, especially during the Perseid 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.259 meteor shower, others showed maneuverability 00:15:48.259 --> 00:15:51.860 inconsistent with natural phenomena. At the time, 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.580 it was suspected that the rockets were Soviet 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:58.379 tests of captured German V1 or V2 missiles from 00:15:58.379 --> 00:16:02.299 the Piena Munde facility. Due to security concerns, 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.259 the Swedish army restricted media from reporting 00:16:05.259 --> 00:16:08.179 specific details about the sightings. Yeah, and 00:16:08.179 --> 00:16:11.399 it makes sense that a lot of this and after World 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.500 War Two, because like the Nazis just got rockets 00:16:15.500 --> 00:16:19.779 as the war was ending. So it was more so it seems 00:16:19.779 --> 00:16:22.539 like their connection to the USSR that led to 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:25.279 this situation. And that was brought up a little 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.899 bit on what I said as well. Yeah. OK. I mean, 00:16:29.059 --> 00:16:33.139 they're a part of the Nazis situation going on 00:16:33.139 --> 00:16:36.580 in Europe at the time with interesting things 00:16:36.580 --> 00:16:40.019 that are unidentifiable in the sky. I believe 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:42.100 we covered that on the first of our episodes 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:45.080 as well and possibly another one. I think it 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.279 was an air flap because this is a time when I 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:51.500 mean, planes are flying around during the war, 00:16:51.620 --> 00:16:55.860 but it was not. Correct me if I'm wrong. We wouldn't 00:16:55.860 --> 00:16:58.799 have seen so many things flying around as probably 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.480 around that time, so maybe it makes a point for 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.720 misidentifying things or not. Yeah, that's a 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.700 fair point. Yeah, you gotta remember too at that 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:12.019 time, as you're kind of saying, is that there 00:17:12.019 --> 00:17:14.980 was nothing in the sky, pretty much, prior to 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:17.569 World War II, pretty much. So anything being 00:17:17.569 --> 00:17:20.390 tested in the sky would be like maybe your first 00:17:20.390 --> 00:17:22.910 time seeing something rocket through the sky. 00:17:23.549 --> 00:17:26.990 So it is something that gets told about. It's 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:29.720 something to consider in all of this. Which brings 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.019 me to my next portion, which is on flying discs. 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:37.519 During the 1947 flying disc craze, which happened 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.819 in conjunction with Kenneth Arnold's widely reported 00:17:40.819 --> 00:17:43.500 close encounter with the nine crescent shaped 00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:47.160 objects moving at high velocity over Mount Rainier, 00:17:47.299 --> 00:17:50.359 isn't it? Rainier. That's the word. That's the 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.900 mountain. Personnel, a project sign, which was 00:17:53.900 --> 00:17:57.049 that there's a lot of UFO lore in here. the first 00:17:57.049 --> 00:18:00.750 US Air Force UFO investigation group noted that 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:03.289 the advanced flying wing aeronautical designs 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:06.650 of the German Horton brothers were similar to 00:18:06.650 --> 00:18:10.130 some UFO reports. It's so sad that we got flying 00:18:10.130 --> 00:18:12.910 saucers from that because like he clearly described 00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:15.849 them not in that shape in any way. It was like 00:18:15.849 --> 00:18:18.309 they were skipping like saucers over water or 00:18:18.309 --> 00:18:21.069 something like that. Yeah. And they took to that, 00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:37.469 not the crescent shaped object in the sky. I 00:18:37.469 --> 00:18:39.509 think I could have called it a flying crescent. 00:18:39.650 --> 00:18:41.589 I think that sounds better than a flying saucer. 00:18:50.149 --> 00:18:52.630 No, do you remember that commercial they just 00:18:52.630 --> 00:18:54.650 used to poke him in the stomach and he'd be like 00:18:54.650 --> 00:18:58.990 Yeah, it made a new Simpsons. It's just because 00:18:58.990 --> 00:19:06.430 I like crescent and poking guys. Yeah Yeah You 00:19:06.430 --> 00:19:08.450 know, you just see some of the tum tums that 00:19:08.450 --> 00:19:10.410 they just got to be poked and they just got to 00:19:10.410 --> 00:19:20.329 go In 1959, Captain Edward J. Rappelt, the first 00:19:20.329 --> 00:19:23.089 head of Project Blue Book, Project Science follow 00:19:23.089 --> 00:19:44.589 -up investigation, he wrote, quote, And I know 00:19:44.589 --> 00:19:48.190 a lot of what we tied into our first episode 00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:52.259 with the history of UFOs was that these craft 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.440 that they were seeing were the enemy which brought 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:58.720 up a significant security issue as well so they 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.099 were taken very seriously which amounted to a 00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:06.119 lot of the secrecy around UFOs as well yeah well 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.940 at the end of the day there's only two things 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:10.579 in the sky people on your side and people shooting 00:20:10.579 --> 00:20:12.640 at you yeah so you kind of assume if they're 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:14.880 not on your side they are going to shoot at you 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.779 at some point yeah that's true but little did 00:20:17.779 --> 00:20:20.839 we know there was a third option which was aliens 00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:24.109 I mean, sure, I think they're still Foo Fighters. 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:27.250 Yeah, that's true. At that point, they're probably 00:20:27.250 --> 00:20:30.230 not thinking aliens. I mean, it might not even 00:20:30.230 --> 00:20:32.910 be aliens. It could be drones. It could be a 00:20:32.910 --> 00:20:36.450 timeslip. It could be the Chinese. Yep, the Chinese. 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:39.569 Vast underestimated at that time, let me tell 00:20:39.569 --> 00:20:41.450 you. Mostly because they were getting destroyed 00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:46.109 by Japan. While these early speculations and 00:20:46.109 --> 00:20:48.670 report fucking Japan, we've done many episodes 00:20:48.670 --> 00:20:51.390 on that to go check those out. Not if there's 00:20:51.390 --> 00:20:53.650 a lot. There's like three of them. Yeah, we did 00:20:53.650 --> 00:20:56.650 a lot of Japan. Those are good. Go listen to 00:20:56.650 --> 00:20:59.509 those more to come. Probably we could do forever. 00:20:59.750 --> 00:21:02.089 Bad episodes about Japan. They're horrible. Just 00:21:02.089 --> 00:21:04.089 so you know, if you haven't listened to those, 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:06.049 I'll just catch you up right here. They're bad. 00:21:06.329 --> 00:21:09.730 While these early speculations and reports were 00:21:09.730 --> 00:21:12.589 limited primarily to military personnel, the 00:21:12.589 --> 00:21:15.529 earliest assertion of German flying saucers in 00:21:15.529 --> 00:21:18.349 the mass media appears to have been an article 00:21:18.349 --> 00:21:22.490 that appeared in the Italian newspaper to Gironali 00:21:22.490 --> 00:21:26.809 di Italia in early 1950. So we got all these 00:21:26.809 --> 00:21:30.970 Foo Fighters and Ghost Rockets going on. Yep, 00:21:31.390 --> 00:21:34.950 1950s after all of this is going on. And this 00:21:34.950 --> 00:21:38.490 is all weird to them. And this is the first time 00:21:38.490 --> 00:21:42.529 it's appearing in print. The tie to Germany here. 00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:45.730 First time ever. Written by Professor Giuseppe 00:21:45.730 --> 00:21:49.920 Beluso. an Italian scientist and a former Italian 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.220 minister of national economy under the Mussolini 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:56.019 regime, it claimed that, quote, types of flying 00:21:56.019 --> 00:21:58.940 disks were designed and studied in Germany and 00:21:58.940 --> 00:22:02.660 Italy as early as 1942. And Italy, that's the 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:04.480 first time I've heard that, end quote. Yeah, 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:06.500 I've never heard the Italians. No, I have never. 00:22:06.500 --> 00:22:09.680 I've never thought of them as actually like doing 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.750 anything. With UFOs, never ever. No, just in 00:22:13.750 --> 00:22:15.170 general, they're kind of, you know, they're taking 00:22:15.170 --> 00:22:17.670 their CS's, they're taking over some of Africa, 00:22:17.890 --> 00:22:20.809 but like, they're not doing much. No. Well, they're 00:22:20.809 --> 00:22:23.730 painting like some pretty good art for a little 00:22:23.730 --> 00:22:26.730 bit. They're making good food. Yeah. Oh, delicious 00:22:26.730 --> 00:22:31.750 pizza and pasta. Some lemonade in Capri. They 00:22:31.750 --> 00:22:35.329 got the mafia going on. Yeah, they got the mafia 00:22:35.329 --> 00:22:40.980 running the Catholic Church. So that's important. 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.819 But no UFOs as far as I know. No, absolutely 00:22:43.819 --> 00:22:48.119 no UFOs have crossed my mind. So Beluso also 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.660 expressed the opinion that, quote, some great 00:22:50.660 --> 00:22:54.559 power is launching disks to study them, end quote. 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:58.559 That same month, German technician Rudolf Schreiver 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.779 gave an interview to German news magazine Der 00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:04.940 Spiegel in which he claimed that he had designed 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:08.319 a craft powered by a circular plane of rotating 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.900 turbine blades 15 meters in diameter. That's 00:23:11.900 --> 00:23:14.099 huge. Yeah, it is actually. Now that I think 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:17.019 about it, that's 15 meter sticks. I have to think 00:23:17.019 --> 00:23:20.809 about that meter stick. That's better than football 00:23:20.809 --> 00:23:22.930 fields. That's pretty big. I would never think 00:23:22.930 --> 00:23:24.829 of it in a football field if it says meters. 00:23:24.849 --> 00:23:28.170 We're talking about what? About quarter? About 00:23:28.170 --> 00:23:31.390 20 % of a football field. You know, if I was 00:23:31.390 --> 00:23:33.910 to be measuring things by football fields, everything 00:23:33.910 --> 00:23:36.509 would be either bigger or smaller than a football 00:23:36.509 --> 00:23:38.589 field. It is smaller than a football field. Yeah, 00:23:38.950 --> 00:23:41.470 smaller than then. I'd have to look at it because 00:23:41.470 --> 00:23:44.549 50 meters is definitely smaller than a football 00:23:44.549 --> 00:23:47.920 field. It's 15 meter sticks, by the way. He said 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.700 that the project had been developed by him and 00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:55.400 his team at BMW's Prague Works until April 1945, 00:23:55.779 --> 00:23:58.579 when he fled to Czechoslovakia, which is now 00:23:58.579 --> 00:24:01.220 the Czech Republic. No, it's not, Chelsea. You 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:04.279 are behind. It is Chechia. What? Yeah, it renamed 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:09.000 itself Chechia. When? Like a year ago. Oh, you're 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.019 right. Four days ago. It didn't do it four days 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:17.160 ago. It was like a year ago. It updated his status 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.099 four days ago. His designs for the disc and a 00:24:21.099 --> 00:24:25.099 model were stolen from his workshop in Bremerhaven, 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:30.380 Lehe in 1948 and he was convinced that the Czech 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:33.319 agents had built his craft for a quote a foreign 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.140 power end quote. In a separate interview with 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:39.920 Der Spiegel in October 1952, he said that the 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:43.400 plans were stolen from a farm he was hiding in 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.480 near Reagan on the 14th of May 1945. There are 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.880 other discrepancies between the two interviews 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:54.059 that add to the confusion of all of this, unfortunately. 00:24:54.680 --> 00:25:00.059 Yeah. In 1953, Avro Canada announced that it 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:05.059 was developing the VZ9AV Avrocar, a circular 00:25:05.059 --> 00:25:08.940 jet aircraft with an estimated speed of 1 ,500, 00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:12.539 scratch that, 2 ,400 kilometers an hour. I'm 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:14.539 not giving miles per hour. That doesn't even 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:16.819 make sense. That's not David Wilcox company, 00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:21.579 is it? No. Okay. Savadi. Can you imagine? Savadi 00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:28.319 Aerospace. German engineer. Oh, hold on. Colin 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:34.500 McGeezer is David Wilcox Australian guy. I forgot 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:38.420 to tell you that on the midi. I'm sorry to bring 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:43.539 it up here. That he just breaks out into midnight 00:25:43.539 --> 00:25:48.660 gas. Yeah. Sorry. I had to get it out because 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:52.640 I totally forgot about it until now. German engineer 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.519 George Klein claimed that such good designs had 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.059 been developed during the Nazi era. Klein identified 00:25:59.059 --> 00:26:02.019 two types of supposed German flying discs. The 00:26:02.019 --> 00:26:05.759 first, a non -rotating disc developed in Pruselau 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.960 by V2 rocket engineer Richard Miethe, which was 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.859 captured by the Soviets while Miethe fled to 00:26:12.859 --> 00:26:15.859 the US via France and ended up working for Avro. 00:26:16.109 --> 00:26:19.390 Second one, a disk developed by Rudolf Schreiver 00:26:19.390 --> 00:26:22.930 and Klaus Herbomoll in Prague which consisted 00:26:22.930 --> 00:26:25.750 of a ring of moving turbine blades around the 00:26:25.750 --> 00:26:28.509 fixed cockpit. Klein claimed that he had witnessed 00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:31.650 his craft's first crewed flight on the 14th of 00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:35.349 February 1945 when it managed to climb to 40 00:26:35.349 --> 00:26:39.369 ,700 feet in three minutes and attained a speed 00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:42.210 of 2 ,200 kilometers an hour in level flight. 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.319 Miefe claimed he had worked on the V2 program, 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.440 but no corroborating evidence exists. George 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:50.940 Klein claimed the engineer had escaped capture 00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:55.519 by the Soviets in Breslau by flying out of Messerschmitt 00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:02.220 Me 163 Komet. That's a weird address. Which would 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:04.859 have been impossible. That almost sounds like 00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:08.700 that airplane, does it not? I don't. It does. 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.750 Isn't the Messerschmitt Me 262? Yes, that is 00:27:12.750 --> 00:27:15.269 exactly what I think it's saying. By flying out 00:27:15.269 --> 00:27:18.670 in a Measure Schmidt Meme 163 comet, which would 00:27:18.670 --> 00:27:21.750 have been impossible. Okay, I said address when 00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:25.990 I meant plane. Okay, there we go. Thank you for 00:27:25.990 --> 00:27:30.259 catching that. There is no evidence that Habermole 00:27:30.259 --> 00:27:33.980 even existed. Rudolf Schreiver claimed he had 00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:36.940 worked for Hinkel as a test pilot and engineer 00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:40.960 between 1940 and 1941, but this has never been 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.680 cooperated. In post -war Germany, Schreiver drove 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:47.720 supply trucks for the US Army, but told newspaper 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.099 reporters that delegates from foreign powers 00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:52.799 were constantly making him offers regarding his 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.519 wartime projects. Aeronautical engineer Roy Fedin 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.220 remarked that the only craft that could approach 00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.819 the capabilities attributed to flying saucers 00:28:01.819 --> 00:28:04.299 were those being designed by the Germans toward 00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:07.279 the end of the war. Fedin, who is also chief 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.880 of the technical mission to Germany for the Ministry 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:13.259 of Aircraft Production, stated in 1945, quote, 00:28:13.460 --> 00:28:16.279 I have seen enough of their designs and production 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.940 plans to realize that if they, the Germans, had 00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:22.740 managed to prolong the war some months longer, 00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:25.460 we would have been confronted with a set of entirely 00:28:25.460 --> 00:28:29.079 new and deadly developments in air warfare." 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.660 Feden also added that the Germans were looking 00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:34.779 on several very unusual aeronautical projects 00:28:34.779 --> 00:28:37.200 though he did not elaborate upon his statement. 00:28:37.819 --> 00:28:40.579 So that's what I have on the flying disc and 00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:43.059 the next one that I have is I think why everybody 00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:46.700 showed up here is the Dieglock? I don't know 00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:49.799 how exactly you would say that in the beautiful 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.460 language, which is the mother tongue German. 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.579 The pure language. The purest language that exists, 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.299 which means the bell in English. Do you know 00:28:58.299 --> 00:29:00.980 that English is a Germanic language? It's both 00:29:00.980 --> 00:29:03.900 Germanic and Latin. It has a lot of... I guess 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:05.039 we do have a lot of languages. Let's call them 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.559 inspiration languages. I just, I was saying that 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.279 English derives from Latin and that is not... 00:29:12.349 --> 00:29:15.650 entirely the right it does partially and there's 00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:17.910 actually a movement I forget what it's called 00:29:17.910 --> 00:29:22.569 but to move English to its German roots for how 00:29:22.569 --> 00:29:26.869 we talk and in this I forget the name of this 00:29:26.869 --> 00:29:29.730 movement but in this geologist would be called 00:29:29.730 --> 00:29:33.289 a somebody who studies stone lore which I really 00:29:33.289 --> 00:29:35.990 like right you've talked about this yeah I know 00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:37.690 I've said it before I'm pretty sure on this podcast 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.980 And I don't know if you've actually heard someone 00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:44.339 speaking German, but I mean German is a beautiful 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.200 language to listen to someone speak. I've traveled, 00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:50.259 when I was in Switzerland, I was in the German 00:29:50.259 --> 00:29:53.400 speaking portion of Switzerland and I gotta say 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.720 some of the things that I saw posted around, 00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:58.220 I just thought were the most hilarious things. 00:29:58.579 --> 00:30:01.059 I don't have a specific example right now because 00:30:01.059 --> 00:30:03.519 I can't ever give an example on the spot, but 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.160 you gotta trust me on this one. So, the Daiglok 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.240 was a purported top secret Nazi scientific technology 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.279 device, secret weapon, von der Waffel, wonder 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.579 vaf, I guess I can't pronounce that first off, 00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:21.779 and it sounds like nobody could really grasp 00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:24.460 exactly what it was. For as much as you hear 00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:27.579 about the Daiglok, I was shocked, as always, 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.069 to find out just how far back. The evidence we 00:30:32.069 --> 00:30:34.589 have about the Dyglock goes. Care to take a gander, 00:30:34.829 --> 00:30:39.890 Taylor? 1998. Close. You are so close. I think 00:30:39.890 --> 00:30:44.329 it's pretty recent. 2000. Oh, man. I gave it 00:30:44.329 --> 00:30:47.430 too much credit. Did Discovery Channel uncover 00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:50.279 it by cheating? Okay, the funny thing about it 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.599 is is you said not to get confused with the history 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.200 channel and I swear to god that's where I consumed 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.279 everything about the dialogue and it was probably 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.279 around this exact time that I was watching stuff 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.529 about it and it was in immense Volumes that was 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.750 like 90 % of their shows. Oh, yeah, I took in 00:31:11.750 --> 00:31:16.210 so much Nazi UFO culture It is crazy, which I 00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:19.250 think is why it's so popular as well because 00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:24.210 of how many ties there is to it 2000 is the first 00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:28.750 mention of the clock That is crazy for an empire 00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:32.490 that fell 55 years early. Yeah first mention 00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:35.799 Yeah, and doesn't it just track for the community 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.599 though? Doesn't it just be like, yeah, that seems 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.660 right for everything that we've seen going on 00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:44.720 around UFOs and stuff like that, unfortunately. 00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:48.460 It blew my mind to see too. I had to double check 00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:51.579 that this was correct. So I went back and double 00:31:51.579 --> 00:31:54.460 checked all my sources and it is in fact correct. 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.279 That's it. We're going to learn about this guy, 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.259 Igor, that I'm mentioning right now. Igor published 00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:04.109 his book in 2000. and it was published in 2003. 00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:06.970 And I don't think I talked about Igor yet, so 00:32:06.970 --> 00:32:09.269 I'm going to catch you up soon. Oh, I'm excited 00:32:09.269 --> 00:32:10.950 to learn about Igor. He doesn't happen to be 00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:13.750 the guy who was 55 years earlier and finally 00:32:13.750 --> 00:32:18.710 had to break his ***, was he? No. Okay. So Igor 00:32:18.710 --> 00:32:21.730 Witowski claimed to have discovered evidence 00:32:21.730 --> 00:32:25.490 of the die clock in a review of World War II 00:32:25.490 --> 00:32:29.529 era documents that were declassified by the Polish 00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:32.819 government. which led him to additional research 00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:35.940 by archives and interviews. The first document, 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.680 allegedly supplied to Witowski by an unnamed 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.779 Polish government official, was an affidavit 00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:46.380 from the war crimes trial for General Jacob Sporenberg, 00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:49.019 who supposedly confessed to ordering the murder 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.279 of about 60 persons who had knowledge of the 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.740 secretive project. So if it was part of a trial 00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:58.130 there should be pretty clear like documentable 00:32:58.130 --> 00:33:01.029 evidence of this taking place. It shouldn't just 00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:04.250 be this secretive document passed to you. Yeah, 00:33:04.529 --> 00:33:07.109 yeah. Yeah, you're kind of on the right track. 00:33:07.549 --> 00:33:11.650 Okay. Kurt Debus, Warner Braun Brown, and Walter 00:33:11.650 --> 00:33:15.190 Gerlach were also allegedly implicated in die 00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:19.089 glock research. Vitovsky claims die glock was 00:33:19.089 --> 00:33:22.990 organized under a division of the Waffen SS and 00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:26.349 operated mainly at facilities in Lower Silesia. 00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:31.019 Dyglock was conceived in early 1942. An active 00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:34.720 experimentation began in mid -1944. Prisoners 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.619 from the Gross Rosen concentration camp were 00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:40.539 supposedly exposed to radiation from the Dyglock, 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.299 resulting in many deaths and health problems. 00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:46.279 Survivors of the camp are alleged to have reported 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.559 witnessing tests of the Dyglock, reporting a 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.629 bright bluish light from the object. Vitovsky 00:33:53.629 --> 00:33:58.470 postulated Zerem 525 was likely an iridated form 00:33:58.470 --> 00:34:01.630 of mercury used in the creation of a form of 00:34:01.630 --> 00:34:05.509 plasma that was intended as a weapon and or propulsion 00:34:05.509 --> 00:34:08.550 system and which may have been capable of distorting 00:34:08.550 --> 00:34:11.730 space -time. The information put out by Igor 00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:15.429 was later popularized by a dude named Nick Cook. 00:34:15.710 --> 00:34:19.010 You will not probably recognize Igor's name. 00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:22.420 I don't even recognize Nick Cook, but this guy 00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:25.880 is the one who kind of brought it all together. 00:34:26.019 --> 00:34:30.880 He grabbed the translated version in 2003 of 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.039 Igor's book, and he's the one that associated 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.659 it with Nazi occultism, anti -gravity, and pre 00:34:37.659 --> 00:34:40.199 -energy suppression research. And the only thing 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.619 missing at this point is the Hutchison effect 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.940 being used to state that's how it's moving around. 00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:50.500 We knew there had to be an asshole in here somewhere, 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:52.780 right? Yeah. To tie it all together. When you 00:34:52.780 --> 00:34:56.059 say 2000s, yes, it definitely has to be an asshole. 00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:00.760 So, Cook described Vitosky's claims of a device 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.559 called the Bell engineered by Nazi scientists 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.599 that was, quote, a glowing rotating contraption 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.039 and, quote, rumored to have some kind of anti 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.619 -gravitational effect be a time machine or part 00:35:12.619 --> 00:35:15.980 of an SS anti -gravity program for a flying saucer. 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.099 Also, according to Cook, dieglock was bell -shaped, 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.619 about 12 feet high and 9 feet in diameter and 00:35:23.619 --> 00:35:26.679 incorporated two high -speed counter -rotating 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.539 cylinders filled with purplish liquid metallic 00:35:29.539 --> 00:35:32.099 -looking substance that was supposed to be highly 00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:35.679 radioactive, named Seren525. That is teeny tiny 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.599 compared to those 15 meter ones. It's true, yeah. 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.679 Was it going to grow into a 15 meter bad boy 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.340 at some point? You gotta hope. Cook recounts 00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:49.320 claims that scientists and technicians who worked 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.659 on the belt and who did not die of its effects 00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:54.440 were wiped out by the SS at the close of the 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.739 end of the war and the device was sent to an 00:35:56.739 --> 00:36:00.320 unknown location. Cook proposed that the SS official 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.559 Hans Kammler later secretly traded this technology 00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:07.300 to the US military in exchange for freedom. Vitovsky 00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:10.460 suggested that a concrete ring called the Henge 00:36:10.460 --> 00:36:19.869 near the Venkatslas? Venkats? Wenceslau mine 00:36:19.869 --> 00:36:24.909 built in 1943 or 1944 and vaguely resembling 00:36:24.909 --> 00:36:27.309 Stonehenge was used to tether the bell during 00:36:27.309 --> 00:36:31.159 tasks according to writer Jason Calabito. the 00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.099 structure is merely the remains of an ordinary 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:37.480 industrial cooling tap. Man, Chelsea, I just 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.300 need to say this at this point. Yeah. I basically 00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:42.900 feel like I've heard this story. Yeah. Because 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.039 Tom DeLong wrote a book, and by wrote a book, 00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:49.460 I mean he told somebody, an author, a story he 00:36:49.460 --> 00:36:51.780 wanted to be written, and then the author wrote 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:55.059 the book on his behalf. Yeah. And there's an 00:36:55.059 --> 00:36:58.630 escaped Jewish individual who was in a concentration 00:36:58.630 --> 00:37:02.050 camp and he basically tells this story as to 00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:04.510 like how he escaped. What? Yeah, I think it's 00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:06.750 called Hidden Machines or something like that. 00:37:06.929 --> 00:37:09.070 Yeah, yeah. The first one or something. Yeah. 00:37:09.269 --> 00:37:11.510 And yeah, this is basically the story in there. 00:37:11.829 --> 00:37:15.530 Really? Yeah. I found this super disappointing 00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:18.610 because this is lore that I pretty much grew 00:37:18.610 --> 00:37:20.949 up with. Took for granted that it's just like, 00:37:21.190 --> 00:37:24.199 yeah. there's something and anybody who watched 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.940 the history channel at that time yes this is 00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:29.960 what you just assumed that like oh yeah it goes 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.920 back to the nazi so i'm gonna say right now nazi 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.400 occultism and this nazi ufo are totally different 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.320 subjects that get tied together i mean we could 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.380 think this nick cook probably you can at least 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.599 Thai occultism with the Nazis back to the 1980s, 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.719 because that's what the Indiana Jones movies 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.340 are about. Yes, specifically from the Indiana 00:37:54.340 --> 00:37:57.360 Jones movies. Yeah. So you can at least put it 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.300 20 years earlier. Yes. So I was super disappointed 00:38:02.300 --> 00:38:05.420 to learn this, as I usually am by our episodes. 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.570 Mind blown. Mine too. covered nazi occultism 00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:13.769 in very indirect ways in different episodes it 00:38:13.769 --> 00:38:16.670 might be worth another episode in the future 00:38:16.670 --> 00:38:19.210 maybe there's other podcasts that do a really 00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:22.070 good job on nazi occultism maybe we'll cover 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:25.050 it and once we cover the next lost continent 00:38:25.050 --> 00:38:27.150 we'll probably cover it because that'll then 00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:30.070 tie it to the genocide that then takes place 00:38:30.070 --> 00:38:36.079 yeah we've covered a lot of Nazi UFO connections 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.260 already and there's tons more of Nazi connections 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:43.500 that I didn't quite get to on this one some of 00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:46.360 them we have done previous episodes on some of 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.960 them might be future episodes we know how much 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:54.199 you guys love Nazi UFOs and connections and conspiracy 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.880 theories so we're probably not gonna stop doing 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:01.360 it I just This one apparently appears to be BS. 00:39:01.820 --> 00:39:05.539 Not that they weren't experiencing something 00:39:05.539 --> 00:39:08.719 mysterious over the skies, but it was still very 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.920 new, like we learned in our brief history of 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.699 UFOs. This was all very new technology, so... 00:39:16.539 --> 00:39:20.760 While pilots are these experienced people piloting 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.219 aircrafts and know what to be looking for at 00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:26.679 the time, this was all very new technology. The 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.639 pilots in World War II were kids reading the 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.739 newspaper when the first flight happened. As 00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:35.719 we saw from how... Fighters got their name. They 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.880 probably flipped past that one right to the comics. 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:42.219 Yeah. This one can very, very easily be explained 00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:44.880 away. I want to believe the best about the Foo 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.440 Fighters and what was very weird with the Ghost 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.659 Rockets. Yeah, I'll believe it. I can't continue 00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:54.320 on with the Die Glock any further. Unfortunately, 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.019 I just want to cover a few conspiracies that 00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:00.500 we get out of this. If you want to go further 00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:03.820 and that we may go further on this one. We've 00:40:03.820 --> 00:40:07.119 covered. Nazi Germany claimed the territory of 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:11.179 New Swabia in Antarctica and they sent an expedition 00:40:11.179 --> 00:40:15.119 there in 1938 and planned others. Yes, we did 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.179 this on Admiral Byrd and his team were attacked 00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:20.960 by a fleet of UFOs. Go back, I don't even know 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.059 what it's called. I don't even know when we covered 00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:25.139 it. We've done it though. I think it's Nazis 00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:27.380 in Antarctica is what that episode's called. 00:40:27.630 --> 00:40:31.230 but I can't remember when. No, you better just 00:40:31.230 --> 00:40:34.230 start from episode like four and just go back 00:40:34.230 --> 00:40:38.429 from there. Yeah. Flying saucers were Nazi secret 00:40:38.429 --> 00:40:40.989 weapons launched from an underground base in 00:40:40.989 --> 00:40:44.159 Antarctica. from which the Nazis hoped to conquer 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.599 the earth and possibly the planets. Miguel Serrano 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.139 wrote a book which claimed that Adolf Hitler 00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:54.239 was an avatar of Vishnu and was at that time 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.119 communing with Hyperborean gods in an underground 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.579 Antarctic base in New Swabia. Serrano predicted 00:41:01.579 --> 00:41:04.400 that Hitler would lead a fleet of UFOs from the 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.159 base to establish the fourth Reich. In popular 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.139 culture, this alleged UFO fleet is referred to 00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:14.199 as the final battalion. Lots to do with Nazis 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.699 in Antarctica. I always thought it was like a 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:21.739 not fun but interesting mind experiment to think 00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:25.139 about like what if they did escape because there's 00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:29.539 all this like Nazi submarines and military machinery 00:41:29.539 --> 00:41:31.880 that went missing at the end of the war well 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.519 at end a lot of them ended up in Argentina like 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.679 we just know that but what if like all this machinery 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.639 went missing the machinery probably didn't go 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.780 to the United States and Argentina what if they 00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:47.559 escaped with it to Antarctica and they had a 00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:50.980 base there that was just like as Nazis escaped 00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:54.059 to Antarctica and they just grew this super high 00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:58.380 tech UFO Nazi technology civilization. It's like 00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:01.659 a sci -fi thought like that's pretty cool if 00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:03.840 that not pretty cool if it happened obviously 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.119 would be devastating for the earth. Very devastating 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.699 for humanity. But to think of that and Admiral 00:42:12.699 --> 00:42:16.380 Byrd comes into play with that because he supposedly 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.739 went to Antarctica to see what's up and he was 00:42:18.739 --> 00:42:22.719 attacked by Nazi UFOs. It's a whole thing. You 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:26.860 got to listen to whatever episode. But it's an 00:42:26.860 --> 00:42:29.800 interesting thing to think about. That's probably 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.199 not what happened. We'd probably have evidence 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.000 of them doing that by now. No. In fact, they 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.679 probably escaped to Argentina. Yeah, where they 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.159 hold their little Nazi festival in what maybe 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.360 that was in Brazil. Oh, okay. So they're there 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.019 in South America just and then there's the theory 00:42:50.019 --> 00:42:52.780 that just so many theories about I mean that 00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:55.079 doesn't even have to do with UFOs that Hitler 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.199 is in South America most likely dead by now, 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.239 but he was probably alive for a little bit. I 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.840 gotta think that there's so many conspiracies 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.480 around them. Okay, next UFO Nazi connection we 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.500 got going on. Nazi Germany conducted research 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:13.619 into advanced propulsion technology, including 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:17.420 rocketry, Victor Shorenberg's engine research, 00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:21.579 Horton flying wingcraft, and Arthur Sack AS -6 00:43:21.579 --> 00:43:24.519 experimental circular wingcraft. I don't even 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.699 know what that sentence means. It's in the notes. 00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:32.440 So next point. Also added to the list is that 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.300 the Nazis may have made contact with an alien 00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:39.920 race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.440 to reach the aliens. In partnership with the 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:48.179 Thule Society and the Nazi Party, the Vril Society 00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:51.579 developed a flying disk prototype. With the Nazi 00:43:51.579 --> 00:43:54.880 defeat, the society allegedly reached to a base 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.360 in Antarctica and vanished into the Hollow Earth, 00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:00.679 which we covered in the Hollow Earth episode, 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.199 I'm pretty sure, to meet up with the leaders 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.500 of an advanced race inhabiting inner. So there 00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:10.579 we have it, a brief history of UFOs and the Nazis 00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:15.039 and kind of where it spirals from there. I hope 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.210 we wrapped our mind around that. I know it's 00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:21.010 a lot to take in because I know I blew a lot 00:44:21.010 --> 00:44:24.250 of people's minds about not finding out about 00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:28.530 the Glock until the 2000s. I know that is a huge 00:44:28.530 --> 00:44:30.530 turn of events in my mind because it's always 00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:33.420 been just kind of a given. that that's part of 00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:35.360 UFO lore. You would think, looking back on it, 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.480 it was just something that you assume was a known 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.219 thing to do with the Nazis, so you just think. 00:44:40.219 --> 00:44:41.820 Well, and they shoot, like, I don't, architecture, 00:44:42.019 --> 00:44:45.780 or, like, design schematics for it on those shows, 00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:47.139 and you're like, oh yeah, those are probably 00:44:47.139 --> 00:44:50.139 from the 40s, or the 30s, whenever they were 00:44:50.139 --> 00:44:52.559 developing. Yeah, so you just assume it's known 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.199 as long as the Nazis have been known. Yeah, just 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.099 as long. I think the Antarctic conspiracy theory 00:44:58.099 --> 00:45:00.920 goes back further than this. Oh, way further, 00:45:01.099 --> 00:45:03.980 because they actually did at least go to Antarctica. 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.280 They actually that's why that conspiracy theory 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.800 persists, because the Germans actually wrote 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.920 news articles about New Swastika and how they 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.179 visited there. So at least there's a starting 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:17.539 point for this, where this one just comes out 00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:21.360 in the 2000s, which is super fucked up. But yeah, 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:25.480 that's my Nazi UFO episode. And it took us on 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.440 a wild ride, I feel like. Yeah, and I'm saddened 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.179 that yet another piece of lore gets ruined in 00:45:31.179 --> 00:45:35.239 UFOs for us. But that's... Every time you dig 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.260 into something, it just gets ruined. I know! 00:45:37.900 --> 00:45:40.480 It's just that, you know what? I have to state 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.380 it right now, though, on the record. It doesn't 00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:46.519 stop me from believing. No! It's still fantastic. 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.019 It just stops me from believing in this. Well, 00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:49.800 and it doesn't stop me from wanting to learn 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.570 about it either. No, I know! Right? I wanna learn 00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:57.070 more, but I'm still believing just not that the 00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:59.969 bell was something that the Nazis actually had, 00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:03.349 which is probably a good thing in the end. We 00:46:03.349 --> 00:46:06.210 have to think about it positively, right? Yeah. 00:46:06.309 --> 00:46:08.789 It's probably good that they did not have that. 00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:11.769 Yeah, but they weren't, had the war gone on like 00:46:11.769 --> 00:46:15.010 20 more minutes, sending out their UFO fleet. 00:46:15.570 --> 00:46:19.969 Yeah. Right, so it's a good thing. It's a good 00:46:19.969 --> 00:46:24.179 thing that this was fake. Yeah. Yeah. Always 00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:27.000 a disappointment. Always entertaining here at 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.760 Journey to the Fringe. And with that, I have 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.800 been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.480 to the Fringe. Thank you all for listening. We'll 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:38.510 see you next week. Bye. Thank you for listening 00:46:38.510 --> 00:46:41.090 to Journey to the Fringe. 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