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it. Nazis and UFOs go together like peanut butter
and jelly, Nessie and the Loch Ness, and Bigfoot
and blurry photos. As you may have put together
by now, today we're diving headfirst into one
of the holy grails in conspiracy lore. The bizarre
and persistent theory that the Third Reich didn't
just chase UFOs, they built them. Have you heard
that before? I have. And Chelsea, this may be
a controversial opinion. I feel like if we just
address them as Nazis, it wouldn't be taken as
seriously. I think we found a loophole. I think
you just gotta say, because there is a rise in
Nazi views, you just gotta call them Nazis. Because
that does not sound as mean in any way. It doesn't.
So I think that's a tip we shouldn't have just
given. We should still probably just call them
Nazis. Oh no, I mean like for people who are
adhering to Nazi values, you call them Nazis,
they will feel embarrassed. that's true i do
like that 90 percent of their worldview is about
them being taken seriously and looking authoritative
and it's putting fear into others so calling
them a nacy i think that works i do think it
works actually i would be interested to see how
hurt you get calling them that to a nacy sympathizer
wonder if they because generally when you call
somebody a nasty there's going to be a fight
about They're a Nazi. But I think that completely
disarms them from defending themselves. You're
like, wait, you're a Nazi, aren't you? I don't
know. I feel like they would accept it at that
point. I mean, if you call someone a racist,
that one's kind of a toss up. But if you're a
Nazi and you like them, I think you pretty much
own it. But that's enough Nazi talk. Today we're
talking about Nazis. and their UFOs. Yeah. From
secret Antarctica bases to supposed saucers in
the skies over 1940s Germany, this episode explores
how wartime science, Cold War paranoia, and fringe
speculation, I said it, collided. to give us
one of the strangest stories history never officially
told. Officially. Let's start at the beginning.
And by Chelsea, sorry, by history you mean history
the concept, not history the channel. Because
history the channel has definitely explored this.
Oh, so much. It specifically innates the UFO
channel, I think. So I think we just need to
clarify. History the concept, not the channel.
Yeah, that. So. Let's start at the beginning.
I think this is actually covered in one of the
first podcast episodes We did the beginning being
Foo Fighters. Yes. Yeah, I think it was on the
first episode I believe it was too because yeah
You don't have to go back and relisten to that
just I'll just cover it right here. Don't go
listen to it in World War two a variety of unusual
and anomalous aerial phenomena were witnessed
by both Axis and Allied personnel. I think that
that might mean not anybody but the Nazis, right?
I think so. Axis and Allied. Yeah, Axis is the
Nazis. Oh, it is. Sorry, yeah, I wasn't quite
paying attention. No, Axis, Axis are the Italians
and the Germans and the Japanese. okay so they're
the allies okay so i was right yeah okay my my
assumptions were right then it was just words
i didn't recognize as happens quite often if
you remember back to our first ish episode the
nonsense word for foo in foo fighters emerged
in popular culture during the 30s first being
used by cartoonist Bill Holman, who peppered
his Smokey Stover fireman cartoon character strips
with foo signs and puns. So maybe today they
would have used a word like skibbity or something.
Skibbity toilets in the skies over Ohio is what
they would be called. I'm pretty sure that's
what they would be called. So the comic strip
featured the catchphrase, where there's skibbity
Ohio toilets, there's fire. It's foo. Foo sounds
a lot better than that. Wait. Which led to the
foo fighters. When I type in foo signs, Chinese
characters come up. Was this like an Asian connotation
to - Oh, it might be. What it was? Cause I was
trying to see, cause you said there were foo
signs. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know if that's
- Hold on, let me look. Smokey Stover. It very
well could be racist. Foo signs Smokey Stover.
I don't see. Fighter of foo. I definitely - recognize
this, uh, art style from Smokey Stover. I don't
see - It has to be racist. Yeah, it pro - huh.
Okay. Interesting. I never put that together.
Neither did I. Yeah, it's racist. Based on this
image I just pulled up. Okay. As much as you
would think for a 1930s comic. So... The comic
strip featured the catchphrase, quote, where
there's food, there's fire, end quote. And Donald
J. Mears, a radar operator in the 415th Night
Fighter Squadron and a fan of the comic, is credited
by his squadron as the one who named the mysterious
aerial phenomena Foo Fighters. Also, how the
Foo Fighters, the band, got their name. FYI.
I do just want to add I spelt Foo F -U which
might have impacted what I was seeing and Foo
Fighters spelt F -O -O so this might be on you.
I should clarify that's how they're spelling
it F -O -O however I'm looking at these comics
and I'm pretty sure it is still a little bit
racist. It would also kind of make sense if you're
saying like there's this foreign thing in the
sky you might think it's Asian. I don't know.
And it's the 30s, so there's gotta be a little
bit of racism and practically everything just
sprinkled in there. Oh, if it ain't whiskey or
racism, then it didn't exist in the 1930s through
50s. Exactly. During a debriefing on November
27, 1944, after encountering a strange red ball
of fire while flying, Mears, visibly shaken,
referred to it as, quote, another one of those
fucking Foo Fighters, end quote, referencing
the comic he carried with him. That's kind of
an obscure reference to make, though, to just
a random person, so I'm surprised that it stuck,
because if the person had never seen the comic,
they'd be like, what the fuck did you just say
to me? I don't know, Sunday comics in the day
were like... Oh, I forgot about Sunday comics.
Yeah, they were the thing. They don't have that
anymore, do they? I mean, they still exist. They're
just not Sunday comics anymore. They're just
online. I never thought they were that great.
They were just something that if you had a newspaper,
you looked at them because they were the best
part of the newspaper, especially as a child.
They were like the Saturday morning cartoons
with Mike Sobel as the newspaper. Like that was
the equivalent. because nothing else mattered
in the newspaper other than the games too which
were on the same page yeah yeah no that was the
only page he looked at as a child so as the misperceptions
of troops in the heat of combat others were taken
seriously and led scientists such as louise alvarez
began to investigate them In at least some cases,
Allied intelligence and commanders suspected
or assumed that Foo Fighters reported in the
European theatre represented advanced German
aircraft or weapons. Particularly given that
Germans had already developed such technological
innovations as V1 and V2 missiles and the first
operational jet -powered Mi -262 fighter planes,
a minority of Foo Fighters seemed to have inflicted
damage to Allied aircraft. Wait, did you say
they were called the Me Too? Yeah. No, Me Too
6 -2. Oh, okay. Sorry, that cut off there because
I just found it really weird that later on, the
US comes out with a plane called the U2. There's
a Me Too and then a U2. Like the much -hated
band that put an album onto everybody's IDs.
Yeah, they did it. I can't believe that The Edge
and Bono figured out how to do it, but boy, how
did they? I can't believe they gave us free stuff.
Hey, seriously, just Google the me 262 aircraft
right now. It's a flying shark. It's a flying
whale. It's a sea creature. That's for sure.
Am I right? Oh, it was Messerschmitt me 262.
OK, um, it looks like an ordinary World War Two
plane. This looks like a flying shark. OK. I
mean, it kind of reminds me of those bombers
that they would draw like the shark's mouth onto.
Yeah, maybe that's what I like. Yeah. Yeah. This
third one with the shark. OK, I got to go back.
Well, yeah. And this one is specifically painted
like a shark. Yeah, I see where you're seeing
it. Now they all look like. OK, so. I'm not going
to spend much time on this one since we covered
it in a previous episode that you probably shouldn't
go back and listen to. But there are tons of
sightings of these things. So here are a couple
just so you don't have to go back to listen to
that. Charles R. Bastien of the U .S. 8th Air
Force reported one of the first encounters with
Foo Fighters over the Belgium Netherlands area.
He described them as, quote, two fog lights flying
at high rates of speed that could change direction
rapidly, end quote. During debriefing, his intelligence
officer told him that two RAF night fighters
had reported the same thing and it was later
reported in British newspapers. Another sighting
career US Air Force pilot Dwayne Adams related
that he had witnessed two occurrences of a bright
light which paced his aircraft for about half
an hour then rapidly ascended into the sky. Both
incidents occurred at night both over the South
Pacific and both were witnessed by the entire
aircraft crew. The first sighting occurred shortly
after the end of World War II while Adams piloted
a B -25 bomber. The second sighting occurred
in the early 60s when Adams was piloting a KC
-135 tanker. So this one was South Pacific versus
the other one was in Europe. Third, Senator Ted
Stevens described an encounter from the time
he was a U .S. Air Force fighter pilot during
World War II as recounted by Senator Harry Reid,
quote, I was flying. and there was an object
next to me. I couldn't get rid of it. I slowed
up. It was there. I sped up. It was there. I
would dive. It would be there. I called. Nothing
on radar." End quote. That's Foo Fighters. Next
we're going to talk about for a little bit is
Ghost Rockets. And Ghost Rockets were missile
-shaped UFOs reported mainly in Sweden and nearby
countries to Sweden in 1946 with about 2 ,000
sightings. Some confirmed by radar. 1946. That's
well after World War II, isn't it? I don't know
that. Is it? World War II ended on September
2nd, 1945, but that's with the surrender of Japan.
The Western Front ended in 43, I want to say.
Oh no, it ended in 45, though, for sure. 46,
I'm right, so... Huh, okay. You know what, that
does track though, because once World War II
ends, all the rocket scientists get kind of divvied
out between Russia and the US. So this is likely
Nazis in Russia doing it. USSR. They have about
2 ,000 sightings, some confirmed by radar and
physical fragments. So they happened in 1946
and there's about 2 ,000 sightings that were
logged between May and December 1946, which is
huge and peaks on 9 and 11 of August 1946. 200
sightings were verified with radar returns and
authorities recovered physical fragments which
were attributed to ghost rockets. the ghost rocket
reports were not confined to scandinavian countries
similar objects were also reported early the
following month by british army units in greece
especially around oh man greek is just as bad
as any other language that we try to pronounce
especially english in an interview on september
5th 1946 the greek prime minister constantinos
Selvaris likewise reported a number of projectiles
that had been seen over Macedonia and Thessaloniki
on September 1st. In mid -September they were
also seen in Portugal and then Belgium and Northern
Italy. The Greek government conducted their own
investigation with their leading scientist physicist
Dr. Paul Santorini's in charge. Santorini's had
been a developer of the proximity fuse on the
first A -bomb and held patents on guidance systems
for Nike missiles and radar systems. Santorini's
was supplied by the Greek Army with a team of
engineers to investigate what again were believed
to be Soviet missiles flying over Greece. In
a 1967 lecture to the Greek Astronomical Society
broadcast on Athens Radio, Santorini's first
publicly revealed what had been found in his
1947 investigation. well we soon established
that they were not missiles but before we could
do anything more the army after conferring with
foreign officials in brackets presumably us defense
department and bracket ordered the investigation
stopped foreign students from washington flew
to greece for secret talks with me Santorini's
told UFO researchers such as Raymond Fowler that
secrecy was invoked because officials were afraid
to admit of the superior technology against which
we have no possibility of defense. While many
were likely meteors, especially during the Perseid
meteor shower, others showed maneuverability
inconsistent with natural phenomena. At the time,
it was suspected that the rockets were Soviet
tests of captured German V1 or V2 missiles from
the Piena Munde facility. Due to security concerns,
the Swedish army restricted media from reporting
specific details about the sightings. Yeah, and
it makes sense that a lot of this and after World
War Two, because like the Nazis just got rockets
as the war was ending. So it was more so it seems
like their connection to the USSR that led to
this situation. And that was brought up a little
bit on what I said as well. Yeah. OK. I mean,
they're a part of the Nazis situation going on
in Europe at the time with interesting things
that are unidentifiable in the sky. I believe
we covered that on the first of our episodes
as well and possibly another one. I think it
was an air flap because this is a time when I
mean, planes are flying around during the war,
but it was not. Correct me if I'm wrong. We wouldn't
have seen so many things flying around as probably
around that time, so maybe it makes a point for
misidentifying things or not. Yeah, that's a
fair point. Yeah, you gotta remember too at that
time, as you're kind of saying, is that there
was nothing in the sky, pretty much, prior to
World War II, pretty much. So anything being
tested in the sky would be like maybe your first
time seeing something rocket through the sky.
So it is something that gets told about. It's
something to consider in all of this. Which brings
me to my next portion, which is on flying discs.
During the 1947 flying disc craze, which happened
in conjunction with Kenneth Arnold's widely reported
close encounter with the nine crescent shaped
objects moving at high velocity over Mount Rainier,
isn't it? Rainier. That's the word. That's the
mountain. Personnel, a project sign, which was
that there's a lot of UFO lore in here. the first
US Air Force UFO investigation group noted that
the advanced flying wing aeronautical designs
of the German Horton brothers were similar to
some UFO reports. It's so sad that we got flying
saucers from that because like he clearly described
them not in that shape in any way. It was like
they were skipping like saucers over water or
something like that. Yeah. And they took to that,
not the crescent shaped object in the sky. I
think I could have called it a flying crescent.
I think that sounds better than a flying saucer.
No, do you remember that commercial they just
used to poke him in the stomach and he'd be like
Yeah, it made a new Simpsons. It's just because
I like crescent and poking guys. Yeah Yeah You
know, you just see some of the tum tums that
they just got to be poked and they just got to
go In 1959, Captain Edward J. Rappelt, the first
head of Project Blue Book, Project Science follow
-up investigation, he wrote, quote, And I know
a lot of what we tied into our first episode
with the history of UFOs was that these craft
that they were seeing were the enemy which brought
up a significant security issue as well so they
were taken very seriously which amounted to a
lot of the secrecy around UFOs as well yeah well
at the end of the day there's only two things
in the sky people on your side and people shooting
at you yeah so you kind of assume if they're
not on your side they are going to shoot at you
at some point yeah that's true but little did
we know there was a third option which was aliens
I mean, sure, I think they're still Foo Fighters.
Yeah, that's true. At that point, they're probably
not thinking aliens. I mean, it might not even
be aliens. It could be drones. It could be a
timeslip. It could be the Chinese. Yep, the Chinese.
Vast underestimated at that time, let me tell
you. Mostly because they were getting destroyed
by Japan. While these early speculations and
report fucking Japan, we've done many episodes
on that to go check those out. Not if there's
a lot. There's like three of them. Yeah, we did
a lot of Japan. Those are good. Go listen to
those more to come. Probably we could do forever.
Bad episodes about Japan. They're horrible. Just
so you know, if you haven't listened to those,
I'll just catch you up right here. They're bad.
While these early speculations and reports were
limited primarily to military personnel, the
earliest assertion of German flying saucers in
the mass media appears to have been an article
that appeared in the Italian newspaper to Gironali
di Italia in early 1950. So we got all these
Foo Fighters and Ghost Rockets going on. Yep,
1950s after all of this is going on. And this
is all weird to them. And this is the first time
it's appearing in print. The tie to Germany here.
First time ever. Written by Professor Giuseppe
Beluso. an Italian scientist and a former Italian
minister of national economy under the Mussolini
regime, it claimed that, quote, types of flying
disks were designed and studied in Germany and
Italy as early as 1942. And Italy, that's the
first time I've heard that, end quote. Yeah,
I've never heard the Italians. No, I have never.
I've never thought of them as actually like doing
anything. With UFOs, never ever. No, just in
general, they're kind of, you know, they're taking
their CS's, they're taking over some of Africa,
but like, they're not doing much. No. Well, they're
painting like some pretty good art for a little
bit. They're making good food. Yeah. Oh, delicious
pizza and pasta. Some lemonade in Capri. They
got the mafia going on. Yeah, they got the mafia
running the Catholic Church. So that's important.
But no UFOs as far as I know. No, absolutely
no UFOs have crossed my mind. So Beluso also
expressed the opinion that, quote, some great
power is launching disks to study them, end quote.
That same month, German technician Rudolf Schreiver
gave an interview to German news magazine Der
Spiegel in which he claimed that he had designed
a craft powered by a circular plane of rotating
turbine blades 15 meters in diameter. That's
huge. Yeah, it is actually. Now that I think
about it, that's 15 meter sticks. I have to think
about that meter stick. That's better than football
fields. That's pretty big. I would never think
of it in a football field if it says meters.
We're talking about what? About quarter? About
20 % of a football field. You know, if I was
to be measuring things by football fields, everything
would be either bigger or smaller than a football
field. It is smaller than a football field. Yeah,
smaller than then. I'd have to look at it because
50 meters is definitely smaller than a football
field. It's 15 meter sticks, by the way. He said
that the project had been developed by him and
his team at BMW's Prague Works until April 1945,
when he fled to Czechoslovakia, which is now
the Czech Republic. No, it's not, Chelsea. You
are behind. It is Chechia. What? Yeah, it renamed
itself Chechia. When? Like a year ago. Oh, you're
right. Four days ago. It didn't do it four days
ago. It was like a year ago. It updated his status
four days ago. His designs for the disc and a
model were stolen from his workshop in Bremerhaven,
Lehe in 1948 and he was convinced that the Czech
agents had built his craft for a quote a foreign
power end quote. In a separate interview with
Der Spiegel in October 1952, he said that the
plans were stolen from a farm he was hiding in
near Reagan on the 14th of May 1945. There are
other discrepancies between the two interviews
that add to the confusion of all of this, unfortunately.
Yeah. In 1953, Avro Canada announced that it
was developing the VZ9AV Avrocar, a circular
jet aircraft with an estimated speed of 1 ,500,
scratch that, 2 ,400 kilometers an hour. I'm
not giving miles per hour. That doesn't even
make sense. That's not David Wilcox company,
is it? No. Okay. Savadi. Can you imagine? Savadi
Aerospace. German engineer. Oh, hold on. Colin
McGeezer is David Wilcox Australian guy. I forgot
to tell you that on the midi. I'm sorry to bring
it up here. That he just breaks out into midnight
gas. Yeah. Sorry. I had to get it out because
I totally forgot about it until now. German engineer
George Klein claimed that such good designs had
been developed during the Nazi era. Klein identified
two types of supposed German flying discs. The
first, a non -rotating disc developed in Pruselau
by V2 rocket engineer Richard Miethe, which was
captured by the Soviets while Miethe fled to
the US via France and ended up working for Avro.
Second one, a disk developed by Rudolf Schreiver
and Klaus Herbomoll in Prague which consisted
of a ring of moving turbine blades around the
fixed cockpit. Klein claimed that he had witnessed
his craft's first crewed flight on the 14th of
February 1945 when it managed to climb to 40
,700 feet in three minutes and attained a speed
of 2 ,200 kilometers an hour in level flight.
Miefe claimed he had worked on the V2 program,
but no corroborating evidence exists. George
Klein claimed the engineer had escaped capture
by the Soviets in Breslau by flying out of Messerschmitt
Me 163 Komet. That's a weird address. Which would
have been impossible. That almost sounds like
that airplane, does it not? I don't. It does.
Isn't the Messerschmitt Me 262? Yes, that is
exactly what I think it's saying. By flying out
in a Measure Schmidt Meme 163 comet, which would
have been impossible. Okay, I said address when
I meant plane. Okay, there we go. Thank you for
catching that. There is no evidence that Habermole
even existed. Rudolf Schreiver claimed he had
worked for Hinkel as a test pilot and engineer
between 1940 and 1941, but this has never been
cooperated. In post -war Germany, Schreiver drove
supply trucks for the US Army, but told newspaper
reporters that delegates from foreign powers
were constantly making him offers regarding his
wartime projects. Aeronautical engineer Roy Fedin
remarked that the only craft that could approach
the capabilities attributed to flying saucers
were those being designed by the Germans toward
the end of the war. Fedin, who is also chief
of the technical mission to Germany for the Ministry
of Aircraft Production, stated in 1945, quote,
I have seen enough of their designs and production
plans to realize that if they, the Germans, had
managed to prolong the war some months longer,
we would have been confronted with a set of entirely
new and deadly developments in air warfare."
Feden also added that the Germans were looking
on several very unusual aeronautical projects
though he did not elaborate upon his statement.
So that's what I have on the flying disc and
the next one that I have is I think why everybody
showed up here is the Dieglock? I don't know
how exactly you would say that in the beautiful
language, which is the mother tongue German.
The pure language. The purest language that exists,
which means the bell in English. Do you know
that English is a Germanic language? It's both
Germanic and Latin. It has a lot of... I guess
we do have a lot of languages. Let's call them
inspiration languages. I just, I was saying that
English derives from Latin and that is not...
entirely the right it does partially and there's
actually a movement I forget what it's called
but to move English to its German roots for how
we talk and in this I forget the name of this
movement but in this geologist would be called
a somebody who studies stone lore which I really
like right you've talked about this yeah I know
I've said it before I'm pretty sure on this podcast
And I don't know if you've actually heard someone
speaking German, but I mean German is a beautiful
language to listen to someone speak. I've traveled,
when I was in Switzerland, I was in the German
speaking portion of Switzerland and I gotta say
some of the things that I saw posted around,
I just thought were the most hilarious things.
I don't have a specific example right now because
I can't ever give an example on the spot, but
you gotta trust me on this one. So, the Daiglok
was a purported top secret Nazi scientific technology
device, secret weapon, von der Waffel, wonder
vaf, I guess I can't pronounce that first off,
and it sounds like nobody could really grasp
exactly what it was. For as much as you hear
about the Daiglok, I was shocked, as always,
to find out just how far back. The evidence we
have about the Dyglock goes. Care to take a gander,
Taylor? 1998. Close. You are so close. I think
it's pretty recent. 2000. Oh, man. I gave it
too much credit. Did Discovery Channel uncover
it by cheating? Okay, the funny thing about it
is is you said not to get confused with the history
channel and I swear to god that's where I consumed
everything about the dialogue and it was probably
around this exact time that I was watching stuff
about it and it was in immense Volumes that was
like 90 % of their shows. Oh, yeah, I took in
so much Nazi UFO culture It is crazy, which I
think is why it's so popular as well because
of how many ties there is to it 2000 is the first
mention of the clock That is crazy for an empire
that fell 55 years early. Yeah first mention
Yeah, and doesn't it just track for the community
though? Doesn't it just be like, yeah, that seems
right for everything that we've seen going on
around UFOs and stuff like that, unfortunately.
It blew my mind to see too. I had to double check
that this was correct. So I went back and double
checked all my sources and it is in fact correct.
That's it. We're going to learn about this guy,
Igor, that I'm mentioning right now. Igor published
his book in 2000. and it was published in 2003.
And I don't think I talked about Igor yet, so
I'm going to catch you up soon. Oh, I'm excited
to learn about Igor. He doesn't happen to be
the guy who was 55 years earlier and finally
had to break his ***, was he? No. Okay. So Igor
Witowski claimed to have discovered evidence
of the die clock in a review of World War II
era documents that were declassified by the Polish
government. which led him to additional research
by archives and interviews. The first document,
allegedly supplied to Witowski by an unnamed
Polish government official, was an affidavit
from the war crimes trial for General Jacob Sporenberg,
who supposedly confessed to ordering the murder
of about 60 persons who had knowledge of the
secretive project. So if it was part of a trial
there should be pretty clear like documentable
evidence of this taking place. It shouldn't just
be this secretive document passed to you. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, you're kind of on the right track.
Okay. Kurt Debus, Warner Braun Brown, and Walter
Gerlach were also allegedly implicated in die
glock research. Vitovsky claims die glock was
organized under a division of the Waffen SS and
operated mainly at facilities in Lower Silesia.
Dyglock was conceived in early 1942. An active
experimentation began in mid -1944. Prisoners
from the Gross Rosen concentration camp were
supposedly exposed to radiation from the Dyglock,
resulting in many deaths and health problems.
Survivors of the camp are alleged to have reported
witnessing tests of the Dyglock, reporting a
bright bluish light from the object. Vitovsky
postulated Zerem 525 was likely an iridated form
of mercury used in the creation of a form of
plasma that was intended as a weapon and or propulsion
system and which may have been capable of distorting
space -time. The information put out by Igor
was later popularized by a dude named Nick Cook.
You will not probably recognize Igor's name.
I don't even recognize Nick Cook, but this guy
is the one who kind of brought it all together.
He grabbed the translated version in 2003 of
Igor's book, and he's the one that associated
it with Nazi occultism, anti -gravity, and pre
-energy suppression research. And the only thing
missing at this point is the Hutchison effect
being used to state that's how it's moving around.
We knew there had to be an asshole in here somewhere,
right? Yeah. To tie it all together. When you
say 2000s, yes, it definitely has to be an asshole.
So, Cook described Vitosky's claims of a device
called the Bell engineered by Nazi scientists
that was, quote, a glowing rotating contraption
and, quote, rumored to have some kind of anti
-gravitational effect be a time machine or part
of an SS anti -gravity program for a flying saucer.
Also, according to Cook, dieglock was bell -shaped,
about 12 feet high and 9 feet in diameter and
incorporated two high -speed counter -rotating
cylinders filled with purplish liquid metallic
-looking substance that was supposed to be highly
radioactive, named Seren525. That is teeny tiny
compared to those 15 meter ones. It's true, yeah.
Was it going to grow into a 15 meter bad boy
at some point? You gotta hope. Cook recounts
claims that scientists and technicians who worked
on the belt and who did not die of its effects
were wiped out by the SS at the close of the
end of the war and the device was sent to an
unknown location. Cook proposed that the SS official
Hans Kammler later secretly traded this technology
to the US military in exchange for freedom. Vitovsky
suggested that a concrete ring called the Henge
near the Venkatslas? Venkats? Wenceslau mine
built in 1943 or 1944 and vaguely resembling
Stonehenge was used to tether the bell during
tasks according to writer Jason Calabito. the
structure is merely the remains of an ordinary
industrial cooling tap. Man, Chelsea, I just
need to say this at this point. Yeah. I basically
feel like I've heard this story. Yeah. Because
Tom DeLong wrote a book, and by wrote a book,
I mean he told somebody, an author, a story he
wanted to be written, and then the author wrote
the book on his behalf. Yeah. And there's an
escaped Jewish individual who was in a concentration
camp and he basically tells this story as to
like how he escaped. What? Yeah, I think it's
called Hidden Machines or something like that.
Yeah, yeah. The first one or something. Yeah.
And yeah, this is basically the story in there.
Really? Yeah. I found this super disappointing
because this is lore that I pretty much grew
up with. Took for granted that it's just like,
yeah. there's something and anybody who watched
the history channel at that time yes this is
what you just assumed that like oh yeah it goes
back to the nazi so i'm gonna say right now nazi
occultism and this nazi ufo are totally different
subjects that get tied together i mean we could
think this nick cook probably you can at least
Thai occultism with the Nazis back to the 1980s,
because that's what the Indiana Jones movies
are about. Yes, specifically from the Indiana
Jones movies. Yeah. So you can at least put it
20 years earlier. Yes. So I was super disappointed
to learn this, as I usually am by our episodes.
Mind blown. Mine too. covered nazi occultism
in very indirect ways in different episodes it
might be worth another episode in the future
maybe there's other podcasts that do a really
good job on nazi occultism maybe we'll cover
it and once we cover the next lost continent
we'll probably cover it because that'll then
tie it to the genocide that then takes place
yeah we've covered a lot of Nazi UFO connections
already and there's tons more of Nazi connections
that I didn't quite get to on this one some of
them we have done previous episodes on some of
them might be future episodes we know how much
you guys love Nazi UFOs and connections and conspiracy
theories so we're probably not gonna stop doing
it I just This one apparently appears to be BS.
Not that they weren't experiencing something
mysterious over the skies, but it was still very
new, like we learned in our brief history of
UFOs. This was all very new technology, so...
While pilots are these experienced people piloting
aircrafts and know what to be looking for at
the time, this was all very new technology. The
pilots in World War II were kids reading the
newspaper when the first flight happened. As
we saw from how... Fighters got their name. They
probably flipped past that one right to the comics.
Yeah. This one can very, very easily be explained
away. I want to believe the best about the Foo
Fighters and what was very weird with the Ghost
Rockets. Yeah, I'll believe it. I can't continue
on with the Die Glock any further. Unfortunately,
I just want to cover a few conspiracies that
we get out of this. If you want to go further
and that we may go further on this one. We've
covered. Nazi Germany claimed the territory of
New Swabia in Antarctica and they sent an expedition
there in 1938 and planned others. Yes, we did
this on Admiral Byrd and his team were attacked
by a fleet of UFOs. Go back, I don't even know
what it's called. I don't even know when we covered
it. We've done it though. I think it's Nazis
in Antarctica is what that episode's called.
but I can't remember when. No, you better just
start from episode like four and just go back
from there. Yeah. Flying saucers were Nazi secret
weapons launched from an underground base in
Antarctica. from which the Nazis hoped to conquer
the earth and possibly the planets. Miguel Serrano
wrote a book which claimed that Adolf Hitler
was an avatar of Vishnu and was at that time
communing with Hyperborean gods in an underground
Antarctic base in New Swabia. Serrano predicted
that Hitler would lead a fleet of UFOs from the
base to establish the fourth Reich. In popular
culture, this alleged UFO fleet is referred to
as the final battalion. Lots to do with Nazis
in Antarctica. I always thought it was like a
not fun but interesting mind experiment to think
about like what if they did escape because there's
all this like Nazi submarines and military machinery
that went missing at the end of the war well
at end a lot of them ended up in Argentina like
we just know that but what if like all this machinery
went missing the machinery probably didn't go
to the United States and Argentina what if they
escaped with it to Antarctica and they had a
base there that was just like as Nazis escaped
to Antarctica and they just grew this super high
tech UFO Nazi technology civilization. It's like
a sci -fi thought like that's pretty cool if
that not pretty cool if it happened obviously
would be devastating for the earth. Very devastating
for humanity. But to think of that and Admiral
Byrd comes into play with that because he supposedly
went to Antarctica to see what's up and he was
attacked by Nazi UFOs. It's a whole thing. You
got to listen to whatever episode. But it's an
interesting thing to think about. That's probably
not what happened. We'd probably have evidence
of them doing that by now. No. In fact, they
probably escaped to Argentina. Yeah, where they
hold their little Nazi festival in what maybe
that was in Brazil. Oh, okay. So they're there
in South America just and then there's the theory
that just so many theories about I mean that
doesn't even have to do with UFOs that Hitler
is in South America most likely dead by now,
but he was probably alive for a little bit. I
gotta think that there's so many conspiracies
around them. Okay, next UFO Nazi connection we
got going on. Nazi Germany conducted research
into advanced propulsion technology, including
rocketry, Victor Shorenberg's engine research,
Horton flying wingcraft, and Arthur Sack AS -6
experimental circular wingcraft. I don't even
know what that sentence means. It's in the notes.
So next point. Also added to the list is that
the Nazis may have made contact with an alien
race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft
to reach the aliens. In partnership with the
Thule Society and the Nazi Party, the Vril Society
developed a flying disk prototype. With the Nazi
defeat, the society allegedly reached to a base
in Antarctica and vanished into the Hollow Earth,
which we covered in the Hollow Earth episode,
I'm pretty sure, to meet up with the leaders
of an advanced race inhabiting inner. So there
we have it, a brief history of UFOs and the Nazis
and kind of where it spirals from there. I hope
we wrapped our mind around that. I know it's
a lot to take in because I know I blew a lot
of people's minds about not finding out about
the Glock until the 2000s. I know that is a huge
turn of events in my mind because it's always
been just kind of a given. that that's part of
UFO lore. You would think, looking back on it,
it was just something that you assume was a known
thing to do with the Nazis, so you just think.
Well, and they shoot, like, I don't, architecture,
or, like, design schematics for it on those shows,
and you're like, oh yeah, those are probably
from the 40s, or the 30s, whenever they were
developing. Yeah, so you just assume it's known
as long as the Nazis have been known. Yeah, just
as long. I think the Antarctic conspiracy theory
goes back further than this. Oh, way further,
because they actually did at least go to Antarctica.
They actually that's why that conspiracy theory
persists, because the Germans actually wrote
news articles about New Swastika and how they
visited there. So at least there's a starting
point for this, where this one just comes out
in the 2000s, which is super fucked up. But yeah,
that's my Nazi UFO episode. And it took us on
a wild ride, I feel like. Yeah, and I'm saddened
that yet another piece of lore gets ruined in
UFOs for us. But that's... Every time you dig
into something, it just gets ruined. I know!
It's just that, you know what? I have to state
it right now, though, on the record. It doesn't
stop me from believing. No! It's still fantastic.
It just stops me from believing in this. Well,
and it doesn't stop me from wanting to learn
about it either. No, I know! Right? I wanna learn
more, but I'm still believing just not that the
bell was something that the Nazis actually had,
which is probably a good thing in the end. We
have to think about it positively, right? Yeah.
It's probably good that they did not have that.
Yeah, but they weren't, had the war gone on like
20 more minutes, sending out their UFO fleet.
Yeah. Right, so it's a good thing. It's a good
thing that this was fake. Yeah. Yeah. Always
a disappointment. Always entertaining here at
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