From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome
to Journey to the Fringe, where we join this
episode already in progress. Now we finally get
to the part where they're talking about the Iraqi
Stargate Which is I think what we all thought
I would be doing at least when I started this
episode This is where I thought I would be but
it's not we have so many places to go still But
we are actually gonna get to the Iraqi Stargate
part now. I'm glad we're starting this episode
by getting back Yeah If there is a Stargate existing
in southern Iraq that will play a role in such
a prophesied return of the gods, then it is most
likely that clandestine government organizations
that greatly influence or control the Bush administration
are aware of the existence and the role of the
Stargate. Iraq's President Hussein is most likely
also aware of such a Stargate's existence, as
might be inferred by his architectural project
intent on reviving the grandeur of early Mesopotamia
civilizations and cementing his place as the
restorer of Iraq's glory. More significantly,
his permission for a German team of archaeologists
to resume excavations in the Sumerian city of
Uruk. The knowledge of a buried stargate may
also be part of the reason why the German government
has been publicly opposed to a US preemptive
war. If in fact both the Hussein regime and the
Bush administration believe, then there most
likely exists a race to gain access to it and
to control it. William Henry's thesis is that
this is indeed the political opinion of the Turk.
conflict in Iraq. There's a few things in that
paragraph I need to go back to. First and foremost,
it's clearly a Stargate because Saddam Hussein
said he's going to revive the grandeur of early
Mesopotamian civilization. Clearly that's a Stargate.
It is past glory. Yes, clearly a Stargate. Definitely
a Stargate. If I've ever heard a Stargate referred
to, that was it. Is that not just make America
great again? It's just what dictators say is
we need to restore ourselves to our past glory.
Oh absolutely, but that's also what you say when
you have a stargate. It's not not what you say
when you have a stargate, but it's also what
dictators say they need to bring themselves back
to a past glory. Both could be right, and he's
not wrong in saying that he has a stargate because
that's probably exactly what I would say if I
had a stargate, but I would also probably say
it if I was a dictator and didn't have a stargate.
Fair enough, because you'd pretend to have a
stargate if you Exactly. If a team of archaeologists
was close to unearthing a Stargate, yeah, think
Saddam Hussein's gonna let him be German. No,
he's definitely not just gonna allude to it in
speeches either, probably. That's one of those
things, kind of like if you develop a nuke, you
say you have a nuke, not that you're going to
make your country great again. Yeah. You're going
to say, I have a Stargate, don't fuck with me.
Yeah, you know the other thing I'm thinking of
is how great the time before 2012 was for...
12 conspiracy theories and all of the stuff that's
going on. That was a nice time. It really was.
Totally unrelated. I just, I'm just thinking
about it. It might have just been that we were
in our teens to early 20s years in that time
span. I was very receptive of it. It may have
molded me into this person that's sitting here
today. Not Stephen Greer. Let me be clear. It
is really good that we need to address that.
I also haven't said that and I need to address
Barry specifically. Leaving Greer is not the
reason I got into this position. Stargates though,
maybe. It might have been a little. Potentially.
It might have been a little. Anyhow, I just needed
to address, he doesn't defend this position at
all. Oh yeah, there was a German team of archaeologists
there. Yeah. And Saddam said, we're going to
make Iraq great again. Holy shit, Chelsea. That's
a little worrisome. No, it's Maiga. Sorry, I
was gonna say it was Maya, but it's make Iraq
great again. We forgot how to spell that. I know,
but it was almost the Maya calendar right there.
It's 2012 all over again. It was the Maiga calendar.
It's the same thing at this point. Nobody knows
what's happening. But everybody's real excited
for that time, but also they don't want it to
come because they're making so much money off.
It's just almost exactly like what's happening
right now. But not quite, and that is going to
come up at the end of the episode, Chelsea. Oh
good. I hope it does because I have comments
if it's what I think it's going to be about.
From the perspective of the Bush administration,
control of the Sumerian Stargate would enable
clandestine government organizations to continue
their global campaign of non -disclosure of the
ET present. How the Stargate is going to help
them there, I don't know. Is that a direct quote
from the Bush administration? This is cited,
so I can look up they are talking about here.
Is this what they whispered into George Bush's
ear when we thought he was being told about the
9 -11 attack as the meme? It could have been.
Yes, there's a Stargate in Iraq. Stargate is
being reopened. The citation for this says, for
more discussion of this non -disclosure, CM Sala,
the need for exopolitics. Okay, so. I really
like that citation. Okay. If you want to learn
more about the Let's read more. I'm not going
to explain it to you here. Okay. I'm going to
assume that the Bush administration did not comment
on the Stargate situation directly. At no point
after this happens, is there any evidence of
a Stargate? Is there any discussion on a actual
government level that there's a Stargate? But
we're going to keep reading this as if he has
a good position. I'm gonna say we're gonna be,
this might be a surprise at the end. Because
Chelsea, importantly, you're not supposed to
diss him. This is his thing. Who? You have to
sell us, Michael, sell us. Okay, okay. We've
talked about so many people. You can't. It's
very important that you just take what he says
as gospel and keep going. Like that's the entire
starting point of exo -politics, is you have
to assume everything is correct and move forward
with it. I don't know that we've talked about
anybody that that wasn't their stance. But they
don't say it! They don't say it. That's true.
It's an assumption. Okay, touche. Touche, Michael
Salla. I did not question it. This is strongly
implied by the Bush administration's penchant
for secrecy and overturning many of the Freedom
of Information initiative from the earlier Clinton
administration. Oh, that was the answer to my
question. Sorry. I should have just waited one
second. Okay, perfect. Control of the Stargate
in addition to any other Stargate that may have
been established in the capital's other civilizations,
examples Egypt, Inca, and Aztec, would presumably
give clandestine government organizations greater
leverage with ET races that are presently interacting
with the planet, or are predicted to arrive on
the scene in some event associated with the prophesied
return of the god. At the very least, control
of the Sumerian Stargate would allow clandestine
government organizations to dictate the pace
of global transformation that ET races almost
do introduce to the Earth with their advanced
technology. technologies, superior knowledge,
and heightened psychic abilities. On the part
of the Hussein regime, control of the Stargate
would allow him to fulfill prophecy by facilitating
the return of an advanced race of T's, the elite
Anunnaki. President Hussein probably imagines
that in return for his loyalty to the elite Anunnaki,
he would be rewarded with a position of great
global authority who would solve all humanity's
problems and end the rule of clandestine government
organizations perpetuated disclosure of the ET
present. Weirdly enough, he's coming off very
pro -Iraq. Yeah, it really gave a different feel
at the end there. You say Ed, it keeps going,
Chelsea. Well, in this moment here, it gives
a different feel. I don't know. It gave a very
weird vibe. Yeah, right there. Where he's like,
yeah, we're pro Iraq. Significantly, European
governments such as Germany and perhaps even
France and Russia may be giving themselves greater
leverage to future control of Stargate by offering
diplomatic cover for the Hussein regime as a
quid pro quo for allowing the resumption of our
archaeological digging in Uruk. These governments
and the clandestine organizations associated
with them that have access to the knowledge over
the ET presence most likely have deep suspicion
over the willingness of the US to share information
and control over the future of the Sumerian Stargate.
Sitchin's thesis of an ancient ET presence in
Sumer combined with the notion of a variety of
ET transportation device described by other authors
in their research of ancient civilizations and
resumption of archaeological excavation in 2002.
Give support to William Henry's thesis brigade
that lies buried in the sands of southern Iraq.
This provides important contextual information
that is helpful in understanding the true motivations
of the Bush administration on launching a preemptive
attack on Iraq. I'm pretty convinced, I would
say. This is a pretty thorough paper. It has
a lot of history behind it. It's well researched.
Why would I argue with it? Importantly, I also
find it weird that they're talking about this
ancient technology that's like so far past where
we are that Iraq seems to have almost had. And
do you consider Iraq advanced country in the
grand scheme of things. You know I don't know
a whole lot about Iraq and just off the little
I know I would say no and that may be very biased.
Even before our invasion where we put them back
50 years I would never say that they were more
advanced than the US and I do think that the
invasion of Iraq in both 94 and 2002 proved that.
Yeah, I would say that's correct. Absolutely.
So I just don't understand this. I don't know.
I mean, the civilization that goes like as far
back as humanity itself ish. Well, not only that,
it's linked to Atlantis. I'm sorry, I don't think
it comes up in this article, but he says, oh
yeah, no, the Stargate is linked to Atlantis.
That's a big thing that I don't know if it gets
stated in this article, but is something that
Michael Salla does mention. Yes, not in here.
My Bible history may be a little rusty, but Gardening
even would go back to the creation of humanity.
We know that it goes well past there, but. the
biblical creation of humanity at least yeah and
that's no you are correct technically it is if
you're a christian you believe garden of eden
is where man first came to clearly it goes back
far far far beyond there but that's kind of a
cool thing in the fact that that is there. So
to get back to my point instead of just ending
there, you would think are they more advanced
than the U .S.? Probably not, but the history
goes back so much longer and that is something.
Yeah, but that's like every part of the world.
That's true. Well, no, except white people in
North America. North America makes a point of
deleting its history that goes further back than
a certain point. Okay, that's the same thing
as I said, except white people in North America.
You're absolutely right on that one. So that's
my ignorance showing on that one. So I don't
know exactly what I was trying to say. That's
okay, we can just keep going, there's still a
lot to read. It may be argued that the Bush administration
and the Hussein regime are both in a race against
time to gain access and control of the Stargate
in the ruins of Uruk or some other location in
Iraq. before the prophesied return of the Anunnaki.
At the moment, a stalemate exists. Hussein controls
the grounds in southern Iraq and is permitting
the German -led excavation at Uruk. While the
U .S.-led coalition controls the sky and is monitoring,
the Bush administration wants control of Iraqi
territory to take control of excavation of Uruk
to uncover its buried Stargate. In contrast,
Hussein wants to find and activate the Stargate
for his greater glory, presumably the benefit
of humanity. I just want to state there too,
they're weirdly assuming like the The only thing
that can be gathered from the ruins is the Stargate.
Like, that's the only thing they left behind,
but they also had to leave behind because there
was a cataclysm at the time. You gotta assume
that could not be the only thing there. No, you
wouldn't think so. And I also want to add right
here that this is a fairly detailed, completely
made up history. I do love it. It's very institutionally
written. It is very much from Educana around.
It's like really that are doing this really well
thought up. But also I find it weird that they're
like it's either the US is going to go and take
the Stargate or Saddam is going to open it. Those
are the only options. Well, you see that now.
But there's also other things. And also, I do
need to say too, it does make sense how you're
writing this as you have come to this point without
having to critically analyze anything that got
you to this point. No. Because that's how exo
-politics works. Exactly. Oh, you can do whatever
you want in exo -politics, I think, from my understanding
of exo -politics. Is Calvin Ball a political
commentary? To my point, exactly. this is so
fucking detailed for something that's not like
The primary evidentiary support for the above
discussion is admittedly thin for conventional
public policy experts, and may sound better suited
to a fictional thriller than a serious public
debate. From a conventional perspective, a scattered
assortment of independent archaeological authors,
radical exegetical interpretations of biblical
texts, the writing of channels of ET knowledge.
Speculative papers from astronomers hardly constitute
a persuasive source of information for understanding
the motivation of U .S. The prevailing explanation
of a Bush administration as either to eradicating
weapons of mass destruction and or being driven
by oil interests and imperial ambitions would
predictably prevail for those unconvinced by
the above sources. There is however some important
circumstantial evidence which Lends plausibility
to the Henry thesis of a Stargate as the true
focus of the Bush administration. The first piece
of circumstantial evidence are the overwhelming
whistleblower testimonies confirming the existence
of clandestine government organizations responsible
for suppressing public knowledge of an ET presence
and which controls all official interactions
with From an exo -political perspective, the
clandestine suppression of a contemporary ET
presence supports the conclusion there is also
an active clandestine suppression of an ancient
ET presence which also has significant public
policy implications. So he just extrapolates
fully from Stephen Greer. Yike. The second piece
of circumstantial evidence is the powerful diplomatic
support given by Germany to the Hussein regime
in warning off a preemptive military strike.
So powerful has been the support that the U .S.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld disparagingly
referred to them as the Old Europe in response
to a reporter on January 22, 2003. If you're
thinking of Europe as Germany and France, I don't.
I think that's old Europe. If you look at the
entire NATO Europe today, the center of gravity
is shifting to the east and there are a lot of
new members. Take the list of all the members
of NATO and all of those who have been invited
in recently. What is it? 26? Something like that.
But you're right. Germany has been a problem.
That's the quote that he's using. I don't think
you had to have just not wanted to invade Iraq
because you thought they had a stargate that
would have benefited humanity. I think there
were other reasons. Not that I can think of.
Rather than backtracking on what was a diplomatic
bombshell, the Bush administration has instead
continued to go to extraordinary lengths to isolate
the German and French positions on Iraq. For
example, the administration encouraged the leaders
of Spain, Portugal, Italy, the UK, Hungary, Poland,
Denmark, and the Czech Republic to write letters
to the Wall Street Journal on January 30th that
said, quote, the Iraqi regime represent a clear
threat to world security, end quote. Rather than
merely an intense diplomatic debate over different
policy positions on Iraq, the striking language
and positions taken in this debate suggest a
more fundamental conflict over issues hidden
from the public view. It is likely that there
exists a factional struggle between clandestine
government organizations set up to deal with
the ET presence in the US. He has just completely
thrown out potential for like, oh no, it's about
the oil. Like he has completely disregarded that.
Oh, he is full on on the story like he's all
in on it yeah it's one of those things i just
love this about his extraction policy is we don't
have to discuss anything that gets me to my final
position we just have to discuss my final position
okay like that's how he writes things and once
we get to the end of this episode that's just
like his lifestyle that he has chosen for himself,
Chelsea. Oh, OK. I wouldn't put that outside
of the realm of possibility for somebody that's
saying things like this. The third piece of circumstantial
evidence is the resumption of excavations of
the first capital of Sumer Uruk by a German archaeological
team in 2002. Given the prominence of Uruk and
its likelihood as the site for a Sumerian stargate,
then resumption of excavation raises questions
over why they were resumed and what is being
sought. Even that political tensions in Iraq
have not significantly diminished since 2002.
With it being a likely source of future military
conflict with the US, it can be suggested that
there are powerful hidden motivations for what
on the surface appears to be a purely scientific
dig on an ancient Sumerian capital. The fourth
piece of circumstantial evidence was the destruction
of the Space Shuttle Columbia during its final
descent on February 1, 2003. At an approximate
height of 38 miles and traveling at One of the
astronauts was the first Israeli in space, Colonel
Ilan Raman from the Israeli Air Force. The destruction
of the Columbia occurred 60 minutes before touchdown
when its fuel tanks would have been virtually
empty. A likely source of the shuttle's destruction,
given the speed and height of the Columbia, would
have been some form of attack from an organization
or state possessing military well beyond most
nations. The likely cause would have been a clandestine
government's organization that desired to send
an important message to its rival, the US, over
the threatened preemptive attack on itself, Iraq.
When all primary and circumstantial evidence
is gathered, what emerges is a very plausible
case that supports Henry's thesis of power struggled
at the heart of the ET presence and the continued
clandestine suppression of ET -related information
and its full implications. The interpretation
of the motivation of the Bush administration
in terms of the concerns raised in Bush's 2003
State of the Union address or the corporate and
imperial interests suggested by his critics such
as Robert Fisk and Michael Lind. In all be described
as part of the surface layer of motivations driving
the Bush administration, at a deeper level it
is likely that there is great anxiety by clandestine
German and European governments who have gained
access to the Sumerian Stargate or other ET technology
buried in Uruk. Or if the Stargate were to somehow
reactivate without clandestine government personnel
That's his paper. Holy shit. There's policy implications
and recommendations after this, but what do you
think? lot to take in. That took like a week
or so to read. Two weeks in the past. Yeah, two
weeks to read. Wow, that was a well thought out
exo -political paper. I think that's the best
exo -political paper we've ever read. So does
he at all address 9 -11? And what that has to
do with the Stargate. I won't say no. Okay. And
you wouldn't think you would. To be fair. What
does it have to do with the Stargate? The invasion
of Iraq has very little to do with them because
it has to do with Osama Bin Laden who is Anunnaki
yeah of course no he's from Saudi Arabia and
lived in Afghanistan both weirdly enough not
part of Iraq interesting interesting I didn't
actually know that until you just said that okay
yeah just a weird little thing that kind of gets
disregarded when we talk about the war Okay,
no other thoughts. I guess that just kind of
blew my mind. I didn't know that. Fair enough.
We'll move into the policy implications and recommendations.
If the exo -political perspective is a more accurate
description of the motivations driving the Bush
administration and pushing for a preemptive war,
then the following policy recommendations can
be made. First, the quality of evidence substantiating
a historic ET presence and clandestine government
cover -up has a significant degree of credit
and persuasiveness. I just love that. If everything
I say is correct above and you don't fight it,
then we can take it as fact and move forward
with it. I mean, he's not wrong. It is very significant
and credible. He's not wrong. This supports the
creation of a new field of public policy, exopolitics,
which would study the historic ET presence in
terms of its implications for a public policy.
Fair enough. Yeah, I mean, you can't argue with
any of it so far. No, in fact, that's part of
his thesis is don't argue with it. And I won't
because he said that. Second, there is need to
promote official government disclosure of the
historic ET presence and or the impending return
of these ET's and to make representative the
policy making process that has evolved in government
responses to such information. Third, evidence
suggests that the present military preparations
for war against Iraq have little to do with weapons
of mass destruction but are designed to perpetuate
U .S. clandestine government control of information
the historic and present ET presence, such a
preemptive war should therefore be stopped and
a resolution between the US -Iraq should be encouraged.
Fourth, evidence suggests that the Iraq conflict
and the destruction of the Columbia space shuttle
mask a deep factional struggle between clandestine
government organizations associated with different
national governments. It is recommended that
there is a public disclosure of these organizations
and that these organizations accountable to elected
public officials. The final policy recommendation
is that there needs to be more efforts in determining
the extent to which congressional insight is
required for organizations created in different
countries to deal with all aspects of ET presence,
both past and present, and on the implications
of a projected return of a race of ET. This paper
suggests that the best mechanism for responding
to the existence of ancient ET technology in
the ancient Siberian capital of Uruk and or elsewhere
is a willingness by major world governments and
associated clandestine organizations to share
information and control over these assets that
are ET. A preemptive war conducted largely for
the control of a Stargate in Uruk which pits
the US and its allies against an Iraq which is
passively supported by key European nations could
be calamitous. If indeed the prophesied return
signified an actual physical Event. involving
the ancient ET race that played a role in the
start of human civilization. Competing clandestine
government organizations struggling through a
proxy war over the control of ancient ET technology
in order to prepare for those events corresponding
to the prophesied return would hardly send the
best example of a mature human civilization responsible
enough to continue to exercise sovereignty over
the Earth resources. The Columbia Space Shuttle
may well have been a high -profile victim of
such a proxy war. war intended to send a message
to US -based clandestine organizations over the
preemptive war, human sovereignty may therefore
be at stake at the very time where there exists
an opportunity for a rapid movement forward in
the evolutionary growth of human consciousness.
It is up to all humanity to decide how we respond
to the challenge posed by clandestine organizations
struggling over Iraq's historic resources to
further their respective secret agenda. That's
the end, except for one end note, I would like
to thank my good friend Yazdi Kalegi for his
insights on the Columbia Space Shuttle tragedy,
and that's the end of the article. Holy shit.
He is all over the frickin' map. But he has such
a background behind him that he writes it well.
You could believe it, based on how he's writing
it, if you don't know how to critically read.
Yeah, yeah, and like you said, he cites everything.
Nicely and everything and it seems like he knows
what he's talking about weirdly I actually see
and this is just an aside from this part It's
weird that the conspiracy theorist in 2003 is
not pro -republican and right -wing No, it certainly
took a shift, didn't it? He doesn't necessarily
say he's anti -George Bush, but he's anti -George
Bush in it. In my opinion, it's only been something
that's come out in the last... Four years. Five
years, maybe. You know, it was COVID. It was
COVID where that kind of happened. It was COVID,
wasn't it? Yep. For all of them. Yep. He wrote
it, but also skipped over a ton of shit that
he should have actually discussed and argued,
which kinda bugs me a lot. Probably because there's
some pretty big things that he missed. Not only
big things he missed, just exopolitics assumes
this, so we don't need to discuss this. He's
the authority on exopolitics, so he's technically
right. But that doesn't mean you're right and
we should actually discuss to get to the point
you get to. No, but he also said that you don't
ask questions really, both of us. Yeah, fair
enough. Yeah, seems to be all tracking for me.
So weirdly, Chelsea, I need you to remember a
week ago, which is I'll try my best. We're going
back to the vice article because they interview
They interviewed him. Yeah, they got him for
it. Fuck. Oh He was like, yeah, I'll do it. Oh,
yeah. No, this guy is just like so open to Detention,
okay before we get into the nitty -gritty. Sorry.
This is back to the vice art before we get into
the nitty -gritty I had to figure out if a stargate
was just as cool as hollywood made it out to
be quote, is kind of like instantaneous space
time means of travel, where people are instantaneously
transported from one area to another, end quote,
said Salah. Oh, so he knows all about them. Yeah.
He's not the authority. Stargate apparently found
near in the Nasiriyah, a city about 370 kilometers
southeast of Baghdad, in the ancient city of
Ur. Within that city is the Great Ziggurat, a
massive temple which had a stargate. Some theories
also argue that there is a stargate in one of
the basements of Hussain's palace, where he probably
did some pretty freaky stuff. I can get that
part out. Is he just making this up? No, this
is kind of what people believed at the time.
Okay. So what he's saying in this article weirdly
is just what Sal has been saying. It's incorporating
everything from the Stargate story, but this
is the weird thing I ran into the problem of.
I couldn't just do a Sal story. I couldn't just
do a Stargate story, but they weirdly amalgamate
them into something where I couldn't quite tell
the whole story. Okay. Gotcha. I do apologize
to everybody. These also might be their own episodes
sometime in the future, weirdly enough, because
there is enough on both of these things to do
another episode on. While the location number
of Stargates is in dispute, one thing the theorists
all do agree on is that the Iraq War wasn't the
first time that a foreign power showed interest
in it. In what sounds like Indiana Jones fanfic,
the Nazis were fighting the British during World
War II over control of a Stargate in this region.
Fast forward several decades, and according to
some theorists, in the 1980s, the Saddam started
doing a restoration of the temple ring, the world,
which they also take to mean the Illuminati.
Oddly, the theories don't really mention the
first Iraq war, but after years of work, Hussein
either was able to get the Stargate working or
learn from it and Big Daddy America got concerned.
Quote from Salah again, the Bush administration
recognized that Hussein had very, very valuable,
relevant information concerning the history of
the planet. Either technology or text basically
confirming this and he was going to release this
to the general public. I think that was a big
part of the reason why the Bush administration
went into Iraq to stop Hussein from revealing
and also to get control themselves." Salah went
on to tell me that while he wasn't the first
person to write about the theory, he was the
first person to write in 2003 an in -depth article
regarding it. Since that time, he said numerous
people have furthered the idea. Many whistleblowers
have come forward that have corroborated the
story. Quote, essentially, more and more people
are coming forward saying that they have been
involved in classified programs where these technologies
are used quite regularly and that they are found
all over the planet. Iraq is just one place they're
found. They're also located in places like Iran
and Syria, which is why there is a push for America
to go into Iran and intervene in the Syrian civil
war. All this is very significant. and what drives
international conflict. Any congressman who wants
to investigate this topic, if they take steps
to actually investigate it, they are quietly
approached and given the old carrot and stick
treatment, and most congressmen accept the carrot
and are basically promoted." There is hope, though,
that the websites covering these theories are
just a click away from info wars, and it's not
too hard to imagine President Trump having one
of his sleek and smooth underlings read it out
to him before switching on ancient aliens. Like
imagine him sitting there in his gold throne
leaning forward like a hungry baby bird with
ancient aliens reflecting in his eyes. So maybe
Trump's recent comments about how the US should
have stolen Iraq's oil and his statement of maybe
we'll have another chance are actually about
that sweet sweet teleportation tack. That's the
end of the Vice article. Chelsea, any comments?
We're coming up to a weird spot. This is all
very weird. It's gonna go weird from here, too.
It's all, like, such pre-, like, crazy conspir
- Like, it's giving me the feel -goods, because...
I remember all of this happening, but it's like
such a weird spot to look back on. Yeah. And
also funny enough, like the U .S. bombed Iran
and Israel bombed Iran. Oh, yeah. Not that long
ago from here. Yeah. Yeah. We're coming up on
a lot of stuff where we're looking back and being
like, Oh, that's that's just the Middle East.
That's how it is. It doesn't guarantee that there's
a Stargate there. Yeah. I feel like we should.
approach this topic as if there is no Stargate,
and then only if it's proved that there's a Stargate
there can we start moving forward with that.
Yeah, but could you imagine if we went in there,
or it's not us, Canada wouldn't go in there,
but they went in there and they're like, huh,
there really was a Stargate. To be fair, if Canada
went in there, technically, if there was a Stargate,
I don't think it would just be their first learning.
I feel like they would have to address the fact
that, oh, by the way, there's a Stargate. it
wouldn't be like oh look at that stargate there
look at that yeah nobody knew about this weird
yeah anyhow chelsea that's that portion of this
episode now we have to get into michael cella
because we were reading michael cella yes okay
but we are not talking about him now we need
to talk about him because Chelsea, just Google
Michael Salla, please. OK, here he is. Which
is the first website that shows up? He's pretty
crazy looking. ExoPolitics .org. Go to that website.
Wow. First thing that should be known. Really
combing all his hair forward. He is, strangely
enough, I get a lot of Corey Good vibes from
his YouTube screens, pictures. Yeah, it's a little
aggressive. I must say. It has one, two, three,
four, five people with bags over their heads
and targets on their heads and UFOs and Michael
Sela. I was just so distracted by his hair all
combed forward. I didn't think they did that
anymore. that just in that one picture too the
rest he does different things with his hair is
just that one he did he decided to do a little
something oh no never mind the star trek one
below is also yeah it seems pretty aggressive
if i was to be honest oh chelsea i just scrolled
down this is what the fuck is this beautifully
yeah this is beautifully one of those like 1990
style websites One of like four that he owns.
Oh, I just expand. Why is there a guy in a mask
next to him? Like this isn't just a picture.
This is literally someone in a balaclava. And
then if I scroll down a little bit more, there's
a is that a blue avian? Chelsea, I need to go
to the very top, actually. Uh huh. And put your
mouse cursor over witnesses. Oh no. Okay, oh
no, I'm now I'm gonna share my screen it has
everything here. Well, it doesn't have everything
but I need to know I'm now gonna share my screen
Listen to his most current statement on Corey
good. Oh No Just when is this from does he know
that Corey good admitted that everything was
made up? Oh, yes Okay, good. In fact, this is
the statements about. Mention Corey Good. And
so the Y files talked about Corey Good. And I
worked closely with Corey Good for six years,
from 2015 to 2021. And we parted company in a
friendly way, in the sense that you know, my
relationship with Corey was positive. I mean,
we never had any real problem in terms of any
kind of financial disagreements or anything like
that. Financial disagreements? Why? It was all
kind of on the up and up. But then in 2021, Corey
took exception to the information that I was
getting from a number of insiders that I was
promoting. It wasn't just Elena Dunham, but it
was also Tony Rodrigues and some others. But
one of the things about Corey Good that is pointed
out in this episode of The Y Files is his legal
deposition in a court case. The way he's clicking
his tongue is driving me crazy. On a key aspect
of his testimony that he had given to me and
to David Wilcock and to many others. I mean,
in the time I worked with Corey, he was very
clear that his revelations were based on him
physically traveling to these different locations
and having face -to -face encounters with inner
Earth beings extraterrestrials going out into
space going to Mars. I mean his incredible testimony
which I think was that helped kind of like expand
our understanding of what's happening in secret
space programmed and was corroborated by others
such as William Tompkins that he presented all
that as his direct Physical experiences now when
he gave his legal deposition he Backtracked he
said that those that information was now something
that was a product of his imagination Fantasy
even delusion. I mean even referred to it as
delusion. So why would he do that? I? Suspect
that has a lot to do with him wanting to claim
intellectual property to claim as his own intellectual
property. His testimony that was put out by Gaia
TV, he's in a legal dispute with them. I don't
want to go into that. So I just need to put a
break in here. This is Gaia. The Australian accent
is beautiful on that. I think he's done it for
his reasons related to this kind of law case.
or this litigation with Gaia over intellectual
property rights, but exactly what the nuances
are, that's above my pay grade. But he has discredited
himself and he has done a disservice to those
of us that have been researching this field for
decades and worked closely with him and supported
his testimony and defended him from many public
attacks. I defended Corey from many public attacks.
But now he's discredited himself and that is
a shame because he really has undermined his
credibility now as a legitimate source for understanding
what's going on in space out there. So the Y
-Files goes into details into this and really
lays out that Corey is now taking the position
that His secret space program revelations were
a product of his creative imagination, fantasy,
and even delusion. So very sad. Yeah, watch that
episode. Yeah, White Falls comes up a lot weirdly
enough in the whole conspiracy world. He has
no introspection. I have accepted Corey Good
for five years. Yeah. as a credible source who's
giving me information, who has lied about this
stuff. Yeah, he almost seemed to defend it as
if it was something to get creative. Created
licensing. Licensing back from Gaia. And he just
kind of said, well, he kind of discredited himself
in doing all of that. I made it all up. Yeah,
but he kind of excuses it. He posts this on the
website just below this too. A whole thing about
how it seems like Corey Good is just lying about
all this information so he can get the intellectual
proof for it. But it's just kind of hilarious
that he works with Corey Good. His entire thing,
it seems, after 2003 with Exopolitics, is the
secret space program. And it makes... full sense
for it to be that and Chelsea it is so much that
thing that he has a comment on the Epstein files
he always brings everything back to the secret
space program and somehow he even brings the
Epstein thing back there and I still Chelsea,
I don't understand his position on it, but it's
part of the secret space program. I think his
original thing made it pretty clear what his
opinion is on the Epstein files because you sent
it to me and you said about an hour. So I put
it to about an hour and you actually started
off right where I got to and turned it off because
he kept referring to what was going on with Epstein
as honey pot over and over and over. again and
it was really disturbing to me that he kept saying
honey pot and putting quotations around young
girls. I had to listen to it because my entire
episode is about him but when he said young people
it really bugged me. And not only that when he
kept saying honey pot about like people getting
wrangled into the honey pot and end quote. He
takes away anybody's actual actions and saying
like Oh, these young people, you couldn't resist
them, like anybody couldn't resist them. Exactly.
They had to go to this. Exactly. It really bugs
me. Is that not how it sounded? So I think that's
his stance on it. He really dappens everything
and it's really bothersome. I know. Anyhow, his
position is, but also the oil and gas industry
needs money. So that's his position. I can't
say that this wasn't weird, but I'm also seeing
he's kind of amalgamating everything into what
he's talking, like literally everything into
what he's talking about. I shouldn't say everything,
but he amalgamates everything that we've talked
about and it's weirdly that he is connected to
a lot of people we have discussed, like Corey
Good, like David Wilcock, like Stephen Greer,
and like Linda Moulton Howe because he mentions
her thoroughly several times. See, but there's
other people to be tied to other than these people.
It's not just all these people. He's just mentioning
all these people who are straight up not credible
sources. Yeah, he does the X thing, which David
Wolkoff does now, and we'll do in the future.
He does do this. And is this like a live that
he's doing on YouTube? Oh, yeah, he does it every
week. We're seeing more and more of this as well.
people like this going live and just they're
there to make money too so they just have to
and unfortunately getting way more views than
we do because this one has 18 000 views wow anyhow
chelsea those are my two episodes anything you
want to say and i thought this was going to be
a part of it which it actually funny enough doesn't
come up at all here let me copy paste this into
general this is When you said that you were talking
about the Stargate, this is my original reference
for what you're talking about. And I know that
I watched this for the first time with you way
back when. And this is not a Stargate in Iraq.
This is in the Gulf of the Gulf of Aden thing.
Yeah. OK. Yeah. So that's what. I originally
thought of, and this is somebody who talked about
a Stargate just off the coast of Saudi Arabia
with Project Camelot, which is... They're going
to be their own episode at some point. Oh, yeah,
they're going to be their own episode. And that's
Cary Cassidy and Bill Ryan. And Bill Ryan's tied
to Serpo. Oh, man, I love that Serpo article
that he wrote. Yeah, I know. It was so good.
But that's originally what I thought about. I
tried to talk to the old man, but the people
around the old man stopped me. Pretty suspicious.
I know. That was so good. And like all of science
pointed to no, but he just kept going on it.
But that's what I originally thought of with
the Stargate. And I thought it was this one.
And then I looked it up while you're talking.
Turns out totally different Stargate, I guess.
That is. That's in Yemen. Yeah. And... Project
Camelot, so there's another thing there for you.
Oh yeah, no, there were lots of stargates out
there. And let me be clear that Michael Salla
has said there are other stargates out there.
Oh, good for you, Michael Salla. Like I've said,
this is neither, weirdly enough, a Michael Salla
or a Stargate episode because I didn't know thoroughly
enough. It's super weird. If we went on a journey,
the only comment I think I have is, we've been
through such a weird journey to the fringe. of
people of our age just going through who enjoy
UFOs and conspiracy theories and stuff like that.
Just even in this episode when we're talking
about going from pre -9 -11 and then go 9 -11
and then you go past that and you go into COVID
and this guy just went full on and many of the
people that we see come up to 9 -11 and then
they come up to COVID and then they just take
a right turn. And you can tell that he's done
it. Chelsea, I'm just going to throw it out there.
Is that time period December 21st, 2012? It might
be. And is that when their left wing side died
and their right wing side emerged? You know what?
I don't think it was then. I think it was a little
bit later than that. I think it was pretty close.
I think it was very close though. I think you're
right. But here's another one that kind of went
along with that. And I think it's been something
that has been interesting me more and more of
why the hell have they all gone that way? It
just doesn't make sense in my head. I can't.
We're gonna have to do a deep dive on that at
some point. It might be too deep of a dive. It's
a really deep dive. In fact, there's entire podcasts
on this subject. And it's so super weird what
they have to tell themselves for this to continually
be perpetuated. It just doesn't make sense in
my head. listening to Michael Stella about how
the Epstein files have to do with the secret
space program makes no fucking sense. But it
just, you know, it was very quiet until the last
couple days because I think they were all trying
to process how they were going to spin the fact
that... No, but even that, they made no sense
before that either. It's just the fact that they
ended up there. That's the weird part. We've
been getting a lot of weird things. Out of why
they would say such a thing this week. I don't
know if that was a super weird episode I'm not
gonna lie a couple episodes It didn't address
either of the topics that I wanted to it did
address some of them But we could actually return
to either of these topics because it is Weirdly
enough big topics on both of those Anyhow, I
think this actually is a great place to end I
have been Taylor here with Chelsea We are Journey
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