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And Chelsea, I texted you about this earlier.
I'm not really sure what this episode is. It's
kind of a weird amalgamation of two things that
never fully addresses either topic, but I'm happy
with how it turns out. I am confused because
of what you sent me, and I'm not sure that that
explains any of what you did send me, so... Potentially
not! I'm gonna go through my thought process
as we go through this episode. This episode started
out Chelsea You have heard of this topic. It's
the Iraqi Stargate. Oh And I was like, oh this
would make a great episode We're gonna learn
so much about it half the episodes about that
and then half the episodes about something else,
but That was the Gulf of Amman, correct it's
a belt Mesopotamia basically Okay. I did some
research into this and I had found out that Vice
actually did a deep dive into it. What? Yeah,
they have a great article on it and I got halfway
through the article and then I learned something
that I couldn't unlearn. I need to go learn about
it immediately. So we're gonna start with the
Vice article. We're gonna go down the rabbit
hole. It led me down. We're going to finish with
the Vice article and then we're going to learn
more about this other topic. Okay, I'm intrigued.
The Vice article was written in January 23rd,
2017 by Mac Lamoro and it's called There Are
People Who Think the West Invaded Iraq Over a
Stargate. Okay. Great article title, right to
the point. If I recall back to when I learned
about this, it was probably around that time
actually that I first heard about it. We're going
to read a bit from this article. To begin with,
we're going to need to go way back in time to
talk about the Sumerians who lived in ancient
Mesopotamia. The Sumerians were one of the first
civilizations in existence, and for a time worshipped
the Anunnaki, their deities. But what if they
weren't gods? What if they were aliens? Essentially,
the Iraq War stargate theory pushes and narrows
this idea a little further, saying one of the
technologies that were gifted upon the Sumerians
were stargates, and their positioning was one
of the major reasons for the years of strife
in the Middle East. I reached out to Dr. Michael
who wrote an in -depth article about the theory
back in 2003 to learn about it further. And this
is where I said, where do people start talking
about the Stargate? Dr. Michael Sal is one of
the first people to start talking about Stargates
in Iraq. He wrote a very in -depth paper on this
topic in 2003. So we're going to be reading his
article from that time about this topic. What
kind of paper would he be writing this for? For
his website. Galactic Diplomacy dot com. Okay,
so it's just an article that he was writing it
for. It wasn't for like a dissertation or something.
There are good citations within it. He actually
did a fairly good job. From what I can tell,
he actually does have a fairly comprehensive
education behind him. This is unheard of. Well,
except Stephen Greer. But here we come to, so
who is Dr. Michael Salla? Right off his Galactic
Diplomacy, he has like four different websites.
One of them is GalacticDiplomacy .com. One of
them is Exopolitics .com. MichaelSalla .com is
his. He's been on Coast to Coast a ton as well.
So he does have that one. Oh yeah, that's where
I know I'm from. But I wanted to use his description
of himself. Dr. Michael Salla is a joint founder
of GalacticDiplomacy .com. and is best known
as a pioneer in the development of exo -politics.
Chelsea, have you heard this term? We've talked
about it before. Yes. And it sounds like such
a legitimate thing, does it not? Yeah, but I
know. Like it sounds like something that needs
to be taken seriously. It's just a spin on making
something sound much more professional than it
is because it's actually not a thing at all.
This guy claims to have coined this term. Okay,
that sounds legit, of course. He is a pioneer
in the development of exopolitics, the scholarly
study of political implications of life. That's
how he describes it. His interest in galactic
diplomacy evolved out of his investigation of
the sources of international conflict and its
relationship with the undisclosed extraterrestrial
presence. His groundbreaking book, Exopolitics,
Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial
Presence, presents the first scholarly framework
for understanding the political implications
of of extraterrestrial presence. Dr. Salah is
an internationally recognized scholar in international
politics, conflict resolution, second track diplomacy,
U .S. foreign policy, and is the author -editor
of an additional four books, including The Hero's
Journey Towards a Second American Century, Essays
on Peace, Why the Cold War Ended, and Islamic
Radicalism, Muslim Nations, and the West. He
has also authored more than 70 articles, chapters,
and book reviews on peace, ethnic conflict, and
conflict resolution. academic appointments in
the School of International Service and the Center
for Global Peace American University Washington
DC from 1996 to 2004. I looked it up and apparently
this school is also ranked as like one of the
top 100 universities in the US. Wow this actually
seems like one of the most legit guys that we've
ever talked about. The Department of Political
Sciences of Australian National University Canberra
Australia from 94 to 96 and the Elliott School
of International Affairs George Washington University
Washington DC 2002. Holy shit. He has a PhD in
government from the University of Queensland,
Australia, and a master's of arts in philosophy
from the University of Melbourne, Australia.
Dr. Salla has conducted research into the fieldwork
in the ethnic conflicts in East Timor, Kosovo,
Macedonia, and Sri Lanka, and organized successful
Track 2 diplomacy. He puts this in quotes, I
don't know what that means, and peacemaking initiatives
involving high to mid -level participants from
these conflicts. He received two grants from
the US Institute for Peace. and one grant from
the Ford Foundation to conduct track two initiatives
to resolve the East Timor conflict. Dr. Salla
invited a group of East Timorese and later prominent
Indonesian citizens to Washington DC to initiate
dialogue that would produce an ongoing initiative
to help promote a resolution of the East Timor
conflict. In the subsequent meetings, why consultation
occurred with members of the U .S. and Indonesian
diplomatic community and with the United Nations.
These meetings resulted in important breakthroughs
which resulted in power -sharing documents that
helped stimulate a diplomatic solution to the
East Timor conflict. A final report described
the series of Track 2 initiatives with the East
Timorese community that Dr. Salla helped organize.
Dr. Salla combines his experience in Track 2
diplomacy in the international arena with his
exo -politics research to produce a unique set
of skills and knowledge base for galactic diplomacy
involving private individuals and citizen groups.
It is his unique combination of conflict resolution,
second track diplomacy, international politics
and exopolitics that provides a firm foundation
for establishing key principles and practices
of galactic diplomacy. So that's his self written
biography. Oh, I thought we moved on from that.
No, that was it. And that actually sounds super
impressive. yeah and like weirdly grounded in
actual international politics and negotiation
well especially when you frame it was such i
mean his education is pretty decent so when you
frame it that way as well he spent a decade in
university he got both a master of arts and a
master of science to get a master both he has
two bachelors a master for sure and a phd he
is very well educated he became a professor a
lecturer but there's There's a distinct change
in his trajectory that you're going to notice
here pretty quick, Chelsea, because we're going
to start reading this article he wrote in 2003
about Iraq. And unfortunately, you can't find
this just by searching the internet. You got
to go on the way back machine from his website,
ExoPolitics .com, but it's not. Posted there
anymore. So it's called an exo political perspective
on the preemptive war against Iraq posted February
3rd 2003 written by dr Michael Sala the abstract
right at the start most if not all criticism
of Bush administration's motivations for launching
a preemptive war on Iraq focus on a combination
of the imperial world's view of conservative
politicians in power in Washington DC and the
corporate interests that drive the political
agenda of the Bush administration In his 2003
State of the Union address, President George
Bush declared the gravest danger facing America
in the world is outlaw regimes that seek and
possess nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
In his speech, President Bush eloquently expressed
his main motivation for launching a preemptive
war against Iraq in order to prevent, quote,
a day of horror like none we have ever seen,
end quote. Critics of President Bush's preemptive
policy, including the political commentator Robert
Fisk, argued the upcoming US -led war against
Iraq isn't about chemical warheads or human rights.
It's about oil." According to another prominent
political commentator, Michael Lind, the motivation
lies in the preemptive military doctrine championed
by neoconservatives such as Deputy Defense Secretary
Paul Wolfowitz, whose policy views were given
more prominence after the September 11th attack.
Most, if not all, criticism of the Bush administration's
motivation for going to war focus on a combination
of the imperial world's view of conservative
politicians and power in Washington DC and the
corporate interests that drive the political
agenda of the Bush administration. This paper
will provide a radically different political
analysis of Bush administration's motivation
for going to war and of the explanations offered
by his critics. It will be argued that the focus
on either the factors supporting a preemptive
war against an Iraq possessing weapons of mass
destruction or on criticisms against US imperialism
and corporate interests are not so much wrong
but simply reflect a limited political paradigm
for understanding the motivation behind US foreign
policy. The political paradigm to be used in
this paper is based on This paradigm starts with
the premise that there exists an extraterrestrial
presence on Earth which clandestine government
organizations image of from the general public
and elected public officials. Rather than being
an upsubstantiated conspiracy theory with little
relevance to contemporary policy issues such
as the preemptive war against Iraq, it will be
argued that an exo -political analysis can provide
a more comprehensive understanding of what motivates
the Bush administration in launching a preemptive
attack against Iraq. Exopolitics as an emerging
field of public policy is primarily based on
the evidence provided by a range of sources supporting
the idea of an ET presence that is known by clandestine
government organizations that suppress this from
the general public and elected political leaders.
The most important evidence comes from former
military and government officials who have come
forward to give their whistleblower testimony
and a number of non -governmental initiatives
to promote disclosure of the ET presence. While
many disagree over the plausibility of the available
evidence and various positions either for or
against the existence of an ET presence and government
nondisclosure of this presence, exopolitics is
based on the premise that such debate ought not
preclude discussions of the implications of such
a presence among policymakers and the general
public. Therefore, when one examines contemporary
international issues such as a US -led preemptive
war in Iraq, one can explore the viewpoint offered
by those using an exopolitical analysis and consider
the plausibility of these for a more comprehensive
of understanding a foreign policy, irrespective
of the ongoing debate over the persuasiveness
of the available evidence. This is necessary
since those actively involved in non -disclosure
programs will use disinformation, intimidation,
and other strategies to deter witnesses, distort
evidence, and deter public attention from the
ET presence and how it pertains to a range of
contemporary policy issues. Finally, a clandestine
campaign of non -disclosure needs to be considered
in conducting exopolitical analysis in terms
of the likelihood of this influencing and or
compromising available empirical evidence that
otherwise would confirm an ET presence. Therefore,
exopolitical analysis of some key differences
from more conventional approaches to political
analysis, which are based on a traditional social
scientific method of a value -free objective
analysis of available institutions and actors
in the public policy arena. What follows is an
exopolitical analysis of the policy dimensions
of a historic ET presence that is pertinent to
and a U .S.-led preemptive attack on the regime
of Saddam Hussein. In conducting this analysis,
I will first examine the available evidence of
a historical ET presence in Iraq, then apply
this evidence to better understand the contemporary
political situation in Iraq. I will then analyze
actors and the perspective U .S.-led preemptive
war against Iraq and finally conclude by making
some policy recommendations. So Chelsea, there
were a few sentences in that preamble in the
introduction there, which I'm curious if they
remind you of anybody. You know what? I'm so
taken aback by what I consider to be a 180 from
his East Timor negotiations and political stances
and education. Yeah. And it is written in a weirdly
doctrinal way. Is it not? Like this sounds like
a paper. Yeah. No, it's super weird. Why is what
I'm wondering? And that really caught me off
guard. So who does this remind me of I'm not
sure because I was so like what the hell just
happened here I'm just gonna go back like what
brought him here. This is what I brought him
here This sentence right here I think gives it
away the most important evidence comes from former
military and government officials who have come
forward to give whistleblower Testimonies and
a non -governmental initiative to promote disclosure
of the ET presence. Mm -hmm. It's 2003. You got
to remember here. He got into this in 2001 Because
of the disclosure project by Stephen Greer. I
was just about to say fucking Stephen. I was
literally about to open my mouth and say Stephen
Greer. He is the one who brought this guy into
this world. Not again. There's a citation at
the end of the sentence that takes you to the
disclosure project by Dr. Stephen Greer. Most
people, once they come into contact with Stephen
Greer, they're like, Stephen Greer, can you leave
me alone and stop implicating me like I gave
you anything? Not everybody, though. But this
guy is like... This guy has no information to
give him. And I think that's the important thing.
It's when you have information that Stephen Greer
wants, or you have something Stephen Greer wants,
you get used by him. I could see that because
this guy at this point, he's looking pretty good.
He has really good education. And why not? If
he's open to it, he's only going to help. I mean,
Stephen Greer is a fucking grifter. So this guy
is only going to help. The funny thing is, I
can't actually find a relationship between them.
He was just influenced by Stephen Greer's disclosure
project in 2001, where he had that meeting at
the the official press room or the press. I forget
where that was. Yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about. Yeah, and it was somewhere that
he just rented a room in it, right? But he makes
it sound real official. But the American University
is in DC, so he was in DC at the time that Stephen
Greer was doing that and it left such an impression
on him. He decided he needed to start exo -politics
and just analyze everything from the presumption
that there is a secret space program. Son of
a bitch. Yeah. OK, yeah, I accept it. So, you
need to put any type of skepticism when you're
reading this guy's stuff on hold because he has
just blown past skepticism and just accepted
everything. It doesn't even seem like it was
even on his radar. It came across and he was
like, I'm all in on this. Yeah. I am all in.
And as far as I can tell, he hasn't, after 2004,
he like never teaches again, and this appears
to be like his whole time gig. I love it. When
you get a calling, you get a calling. Just like
regular person Andy. So first off, he starts
with what's the evidence of a historic ET presence
in Iraq. The strongest available evidence for
a historic ET, and sorry, this is something that
bugs me, he uses Anne. historical ET presence.
If it's an H, it makes a H sound. It's a consonant.
It can't have an N. If it has an N, you're saying
historical. No, we're not saying historical.
We're saying historical. It's A. Isn't he Australian?
Yeah, that's true. It's not really English. Oh,
he is speaking Australian. I've watched him.
So the strongest available evidence for historical
ET presence in Iraq comes from cuneiform tablets
directly recording the beliefs and activities
of the ancient Sumerians whose civilization began
almost overnight in 3800 BC. Most of these cuneiform
tablets relate stories of the Sumerians interacting
with their gods. Most archaeologists initially
accepted that these were merely myths and attached
little importance to them other than giving insight
into the mytho -religious beliefs of the ancient
Sumerians. That viewpoint received a major challenge
in 1976 when the Sumerian scholar Zachariah Stitchin
published the first of a series of books on his
translations of thousands of Sumerian tablets.
Rather than treating the stories of the gods
as myths that had little empirical relevance,
Stitchin decided to interpret the tablets as
literal descriptions of events as they occurred.
Stitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform
tablets reveal precise information on a range
of topics that he argues could not have been
possible for a civilization at the initial stages
of its development with no obvious predecessor
civilization to borrow from. The cuneiform tablets
revealed all their knowledge came from a race
of extraterrestrial visitors called the Anunnaki,
those who come from heaven to earth, who were
not only teachers of the Cimmerians but also
played a role in the creation of the human race.
The origins of this ET race was a planet called
Nabiru that had a long elliptical journey around
the sun and returned to this region the solar
system every 3600 years. We probably should do
a Zachariah Sitchin episode at some point. Is
he on the list even? I think he's on the list.
I sent you a picture of him. He looks like Richard
Doty. He's Richard Doty. Yeah, he does look like
Richard Doty. But basically, he's the start of
the ancient alien theory. There's nothing before
him. It's the 1970s. Boom, he comes along. It
would be a tie between him and... Traits of the
Gods, Eric Van Daniken. Yeah, our other friend
Eric Van Daniken. Who's got the theme park. I
wanna go there. I can't believe you didn't go.
I didn't know about it at that time when I was
in Switzerland. It has to be a tie between the
two. I believe they're around the same period,
just going off the top of my head. They're very
close. Everything's off the top of my head today.
Eric von Daniken is second, and I know this because
of the next sentences here. Okay. I do trust
this part of his research. Fair enough. When
Sitchin's innovative work was first published,
it raised great controversy and intense debate
between and those either for or against his thesis
of a historic ET presence in Sumer. That was
responsible for starting the remarkable Sumerian
civilization. Among those responding favorably
to Sitchin's thesis included established popular
authors such as Erik Mondaniken, who had himself
written in 1969 the best -selling book, Chariot
of the Gods, that proposed a historic ET presence
in different parts of the planet. So he was talking
about it, but he wasn't talking about it in Sumer.
pretty much. Yeah. Okay. Another popular author,
David Patrick Childress, outlines with great
detail the ET technology possessed by ancient
civilizations in his various books. Less well
-known authors, such as William Henry, have similarly
published books supporting Sitchin's thesis.
And Chelsea, William Henry wrote a book called
One Foot in Atlantis. And I just want you to
Google William Henry One Foot in Atlantis. The
picture they have on Goodreads for this guy,
I just get really weird vibes. He's not what
I expected in any way. No, he seems like a washed
up movie star. And he should be wearing a Hawaiian
shirt. He should be. I would have to agree with
you. It's actually really weird that he's not.
I would have to agree with you here. And maybe
that's why I get weird vibes. Yeah, I totally
get it. Yeah, he should be. Well, he wrote a
lot of stuff. Yeah, he did. And they're all very
weird books. I was just about to say that. To
support Sitchin's thesis, many authors typically
cite biblical texts that make reference to the
gods that resided on Earth. and interacted with
humanity. The biblical text most referred to
as the Apocryphal Book of Enoch. While the Book
of Enoch was excluded in most versions of the
Old Testament, it was nevertheless part of ancient
Hebrew scholarship and indeed is included in
the Ethiopian and Slavic versions of the Old
Testament. I think at one point we do have to
touch base on like the religious background of
Ethiopia because I find that fascinating. Like
Ethiopia has Jewish populations. They have like
basically every Abrahamic faith religion there
and And they also claimed to have a copy of the
Ten Commandments. Not a copy, the Ten Commandments.
Oh sorry, Ark of the Covenant. I was just going
to say, they also claimed to have the Ark of
the Covenant in Ethiopia. Also it was under attack
there at one point, remember? You bring up a
very good point. What's going on in Ethiopia?
And has British Yandhi been there? Back to this
episode. Book of Enoch describes a rebel group
of angels, the Nephilim, who numbered 200 who
settled the earth and interbred with the human
population before being recalled and punished
by their superiors, the Elohim. The Book of Enoch
provides contextual details for mysterious verses
in the Book of Genesis, which described a time
when the sons of gods, Nephilim and Unaki, interbred
with humanity and created a race of giants slash
heroes that ruled over the rest of humanity.
Quote, the Nephilim were on earth in those days
and also afterwards when the sons of gods went
to the daughters of men and had children by them.
They were heroes of old, men of renown." End
quote. Supporters of Sitchin's thesis say that
this is part of the biblical evidence that an
advanced ET race did in fact exist on Earth,
had a long interaction with humanity, and even
played a role in the creation of the race. That's
basically ancient aliens in a nutshell. There
you go. It really is. Like you could save yourself
10 seasons of the show. He actually did a really
good job synthesizing that whole thing. In addition
to the growing number of authors in Depending
on Archaeology, and biblical commentators supporting
Sitchin's thesis, there is a burging number of
individuals who claim to be in telepathic communication
with ET races who reveal information on the historic
ET presence in Sumer. One of these ET channels
is Delayla Starr, who claims to be in touch with
beings from Nibiru itself. She regularly releases
online information from the Anunnaki themselves
on her website. Another is Sheldon Nidle, who
channels an ET race from the Starr system Sirius,
who gives extensive information on the historic
presence and influence of the Anunnaki in his
books and websites. There is great controversy
over the extent to which such a disparate collection
of evidentiary sources can substantiate the sitch
and thesis of a historic ET presence consumer.
Despite the controversy generated by such sources,
they provide a wealth of information that merits
closer examination in terms of their public policy
implications. Given that exopolitics is based
on the premise of an ET presence that is subject
to non -disclosure by clandestine in government
organizations, it is possible to provide an exo
-political perspective on Sitchin's thesis despite
the ongoing debate over the consistency and accuracy.
I just love, he's just forgoing that. He does
not even have to worry about claiming that these
are correct. Let's just claim they're correct
and move on from there. Well, exactly. That just
makes it easier. It makes it so much easier.
Oh yeah. It is written in such a institutional
way, but it's hilarious that he just brushes
that aside. Well, you gotta think, he has the
know -with -all to be able to put it in an academic
way. Oh, he's got the fancy words. Yeah, exactly.
From here he goes on, How does the historic ET
presence relate to US policy in Iraq? An independent
archaeologist that discusses a direct link between
the ancient ET presence in Sumer and current
US focus on the regime of Saddam Hussein is William
Henry, that man who should be wearing a Hawaiian
shirt. Right, yeah, I remember him. Henry's main
thesis. is that there existed in Sumerian times
a technological device which he describes as
a stargate that the Anunnaki Nephilim used to
travel back and forth from their home world and
the earth. Henry focuses on the following scene
described by Sitchin's interpretation of cuneiform
tablets of an Uruk ritual text. And this is the
text, and I should say as translated by Sitchin.
flanking a gateway through which Anu is making
a grand entry. End of that. Rather than a simple
temple scene involving the chief Anunnaki of
the Sumerians, Anu and his two sons Enlil and
Enki, Henry proposes that the above scene represents
a transportation device used by Anu and others
from the elite Anunnaki. If so, then such a device
is most likely located in the Sumerian city of
Uruk, which was the founding city of the Sumerian
civilization in the home of Gilgamesh, the famed
king of the Epic of Gilgamesh. I sit in an author
such as David Childress, who I'm pretty sure
was on ancient aliens, who discussed the various
technologies used by ETs and ancient civilizations,
missed the significance of the Stargate in their
own translations of the above text and investigations
of ET transportation. Both operated in a controversial
paradigm where transportation occurs through
rocket -propelled vehicles. Sitchin focuses on
rocket -propelled spacecrafts in his description
of the Anunnaki and their various trips to and
from the Earth, for example describing the transportation
moving hundreds of them. The Anunnaki Kevin,
or Igig, were true astronauts who stayed aboard
the spacecrafts without actually landing on Earth.
Orbiting Earth, these spacecrafts launched and
received the shuttlecrafts to and from Earth.
It therefore can be concluded that there were
two forms of transportation used by the Anunnaki.
One was a form of rocket technology. Another
transportation technology was the Stargate, which
presumably was used only by the highest class
who dispensed the tasks of harvesting the Earth's
resources to the resident and space -based Anunnaki's
lesser god slash rebel. angels. Interpreting
the Babylonian epic of creation, one gains an
idea of the hierarchy of the Anunnaki and the
way the supreme god Marduk dispensed tasks of
his subordinates Anu chief of the Anunnaki. And
this is another quote, assigned to Anu to heed
his instructions 300 in the heavens he stationed
as a guard the ways of earth to define from the
heaven and on earth 600 he made reside after
he all their instructions had ordered to the
Anunnaki of heaven and of earth he allotted their
assignments. end of that part i'm not sure what
to call those i think they are quotes but i don't
know for sure is it a different symbol than they're
not quoted they're they're um okay he's pushing
tab whatever i don't know what you call that
he's indented that pair the sumerians this is
the area of the middle east that we're talking
about i just want to put it out there and make
sure we're talking about sumer the ancient region
of Middle East, yes. Okay, okay, okay. Just wanted
to make sure we were on the same page. Yeah,
no, it's the Cimmerian area, which predominantly
was in Iraq, which is technically where, like,
the Garden of Eden, everything's supposed to
be according to all these people. What? Okay,
that's crazy. I had no idea about that. That's
cool. All of these religions developed in the
Middle East, so the Garden of Eden is in the
Middle East. I couldn't just say be a jet setter
and go there and see the Garden of... You're
no air miles Andy Chelsea. I'm not we can't wait.
Is it in Bahrain? Do you think he's been there?
It might be in Bahrain Maybe he might have been
trying to track down the garden if he did. I
think we're on to something. Holy shit This might
be an episode, okay for that episode Thus, the
Anunnaki operated outposts both on Earth and
in space to maintain their control over the planet.
Given the strict hierarchy of authority described
by Sitchin in his detailed analysis of the Anunnaki
and their interactions with one another, and
humanity, it's likely that the Stargate would
have been revered by the resident Anunnaki and
humanity who could only observe its operation
but were not allowed to use it themselves. By
the way, I feel like, Chelsea, you heard that
description of the Stargate. There's not a lot
of talk about the Stargate at all, is there?
No, no. It's mostly about rockets. That's what
we see a lot in this, what would you call it?
This business subject, I think is probably the
right word. There's a lot of liberties taken.
I think it's more aptly called business, since
you use that term. Yeah. There's a lot of liberties
taken and they are run with them. Oh yeah. Also,
weirdly enough, I actually kind of feel like
the movie Stargate is based off of the Zachary
Sitchin stuff, but it came out a while before
this movie. Was it the show or the movie that
I'm thinking of that was good? Oh, the movie
is great. The movie came out in 94. The movie
came first, right? Oh, yeah. And then a show
came after and actually lasted quite a while.
But 94 is when Stargate came out. The actual
talk about Stargate's in Iraq didn't happen.
for another nine years which is crazy that could
have also been the kickoff point well especially
like when you hear conspiracy these days and
all they talk about is like sci -fi for the basis
of theirs conspiracies yeah it's kind of wild
that that movie got nine years not being used
for that it is Yeah, that's what he does. He's
intimidating. He was a witness of UFOs. Yeah,
he knows all about them. I think he also murdered
Disney. Good. I don't know if it's ever come
up at this show, but the last words uttered by
Walt Disney were Kurt Russell. What? Why? Just
because he was a child star actor at the time
for Disney. It's super weird. But yeah, one of
his things. I would have to agree that that is
super weird. As such, there have been only a
limited number of stargates around the planet,
with the Sumerian Stargate being located in the
most important of ancient Sumerian cities, the
most likely being the ancient capital of Uruk,
home of the ancient kings which is located in
south Iran. Significantly, after a 12 -year low
on excavation, a team of German researchers in
2002 resumed excavation in the buried city of
Uruk using a magnetometer. never heard of that,
which is able to detect the presence of man -made
objects beneath soil and a powerful computer
system in Germany. German geophysicists were
able to map out the buried structure of the sprawling
ancient capital of 5 .5 kilometers that was where
Sumerian civilization began. An important event
in the Sumerian description of the Anunnaki was
the latter's final departure from the planet
during a series of cataclysmic events that culminated
in the period 1800 to 1700 BC. Indeed, conventional
archaeologists support the view that there was
a regional cataclysmic event that occurred at
that time, if in fact, there were two modes of
transformation used by Anunnaki. When most of
the resident lesser Anunnaki left by conventional
rocket ships, elite Anunnaki most likely left
by the Stargate and closed it down. Predictably,
given the reference and awe surrounding the Stargate,
it would not have been left unprotected in the
interim period between their departure and its
reactivation with the prophesied return of the
Anunnaki. Why does he make the assumption that
they didn't just go on the rocket too? The higher
-ups are too good for rockets. Maybe he either
thought too much about it or didn't think enough
about it. I don't know how to answer that question.
He thought too much about it. You have to assume,
and we can't discuss it because we just have
to move forward with this so we can discuss the
implications of it. Yeah. But I really like that.
They couldn't have gone back on the rocket. Those
higher -class Anunnaki, they're too good for
rockets. They go on the Stargate. Yeah, it's
because they're extraterrestrial and they wouldn't
just... You know, do a normal travel? Provides
no citations or sources for them shutting down
the Stargate. I don't know why he makes that
assumption, but he does. Well, it's the same
reason that they don't travel by rocket ship.
Yeah. Of course. They can't have the common folk
going through the Stargate when they're young.
No, you can't. and they're not common folks so
they just have to shut it down after. A wide
number of sources describe the present era in
terms of prophesied return of the gods Anunnaki.
The notion of prophesied return in the context
of the former Anunnaki presence varies in meaning
according to three different perspectives. First
perspective is based simply on the idea of gods
or Anunnaki physically returning to resume a
prominent role in influencing human affairs and
overseeing the use of planet. In such a scenario,
the first wave of Anunnaki would arrive to create
the favorable conditions for the anticipated
return of the Anunnaki elites. This would involve
the lesser Anunnaki first returning and activating
the Sumerian Stargate that would be required
for the return of their leaders. Presumably,
this would be heralded as a sacred event that
should be celebrated by all of humanity. The
authors Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett argue
that there has been an identifiable chain of
global events involving key religious and political
actors preparing humanity for such a return.
I just have to emphasize again at this point
this was 2003 22 years ago so yeah hasn't happened
yet. That's pretty crazy. I don't think I don't
remember the Anunnaki returning and saying like,
hey, sorry, our fancies of need us to build this
thing so they can come and I don't know what
I don't actually know what the elites do when
they come here. Sorry. You don't think it was
that one time when Oh, right. Where they said
that when they came back and reopened this, you
know what? Right. Disregard what I just said.
See? Yeah. Chelsea raises a good point. Second
perspective on the return of the gods Anunnaki
is the return of their homeworld, the planet
Nibiru. Indeed, there has been such interest
generated by a range of books and online websites
devoted to the topic of the return of Jibiru,
which I think we might have to do an episode
on at some point. Yeah, I've already added it
to the list. Many authors cite a variety of astronomical
events supporting the idea of a 10th planet that
has long been speculated to influence orbits
of Uranus and Neptune ever since it was found
that Pluto could not account for the perturbations
of Neptune. In the late 1970s, two astronomers
from the US Naval Observatory, Tom Van Flandern
and Richard Harrington be supporting the existence
of a 10th planet. I do know enough about this
topic to give a bit of background of what's happened
since he wrote this. So we did learn on a flyby
of Neptune and Pluto, we were wrong in believing
that there should have been a 10th planet based
on our views of gravity pulls that we expected
from Neptune and Pluto, but we do still believe
there's a 10th planet out there. We're still
looking for I have a fringy mini about potentials
for a tenth planet out there and by tenth I mean
a ninth now because this is before we took Pluto
out as a planet. I really am sad by that still.
It still stinks. I fully get it. So we do think
that there's another planet. Yes, and in fact,
there's really good evidence of there being that
we could have spotted it. And it's Nibiru. Yeah,
obviously. And we just have to name it that at
this point. Yeah, we'll cover that in the fringe
sheet, maybe. How they're surviving on a planet
that is so far away we have no way of seeing
it, really, is beyond me. But Nibiru's out there,
guys. We just heard the science. that is disproven
and then re -proven in a slightly different way
later. So anyhow I just need to put that in there
that it's changed how we got to the whole ninth
planet which is technically the tenth planet
from this time's point of view in here. You need
to be in here for some reason. The most widely
cited reference to support the thesis of a tenth
planet that is known but not released to the
general public is a series of press releases
by the astronomical team that was searching part
of the sky which calculations by Van Flandern
and Harrington suggested would be where the 10th
planet was. In December 1983, the chief astronomer
in charge of the satellite run by Jet Propulsion
Laboratory Dr. Jerry Neugebauer announced possible
confirmation of such a planet. The Washington
Post reporter summarizing the announcement wrote
quote a heavenly body possibly as large as Jupiter
and possibly part of the solar system has been
found in the direction of the constellation of
Orion by an orbiting telescope end quote after
a total of six major newspapers covered the announcement
there was a retraction of the announcement and
a public silence by the astronomer on the possible
existence of a tenth Now, at this time, rumors
began to emerge of an active campaign of suppression
of information and intimidation by clandestine
government organizations. For example, one of
the astronomers, Dr. Richard Harrington, spoke
publicly and wrote articles on the hypothetical
planet X and there has been speculation that
this directly contributed to his untimely death
by natural causes in 1992. A third perspective
on what the prophesied return of the gods Anunnaki
means can be found in authors who focus on the
significance on the upcoming end of the current
Mayan calendar, according to John Major Jenkins.
We have to have this because this is pre -2012.
It's the same, yep. The Mayans were aware of
the way the solar ecliptic plane comes into alignment
with the galactic plane on a periodic basis.
This makes it possible for more intense cosmic
energy to reach the Earth from the galactic core.
There is then a corresponding increase or decrease
in the level of human conscious i .e. parts of
the brain either go online or offline according
jenkins Near 2012 corresponds to the end of the
current mind cycle and will lead to a rapid transformation
of consciousness. The numerous authors refer
to this as the new age of more enlightened global
thinking and increased human potential. Gee,
aren't you so happy with all the political changes
that have been since 2012, Chelsea? But everyone
was on it back then. What a time to be alive.
I mean, I did find that exciting. Everyone was
cashing in on that. Yeah. David Wilcock was at
his peak! Everybody was talking about it. And
then we all just moved on from there. Nobody
retracted statements. Nobody corrected themselves.
We just all moved on. I am actually really surprised
that nobody took the stance that the world did
end and we aren't actually alive anymore. Oh,
that would be a good one. Why didn't anybody
do that? Why didn't they? That's, like, the perfect
way to do it! Oh my gosh! Especially David Wilcock!
Right! Like, why wasn't he like, we did this
then? You'll see, he's not smart enough! Can
you imagine, though, being like, welcome to the
other side, folks! We made it! This is purgatory!
Wow! Why didn't that happen? Nobody did that!
Wow! What the fuck? I know! Anyhow, the prophesied
return of the gods may therefore signify a rapid
inhuman consciousness as dormant parts of the
brain come online when the solar ecliptic comes
into alignment with the galactic plane. In this
explanation, humanity itself would develop god
-like powers which spontaneously become accessible
to large numbers of humanity. A number of authors,
for example, have been describing the amazing
abilities and psychic powers of an increasing
number of children worldwide. Is that the indigo
kids, Chelsea? Is that the color they called
them? Or the violet? kids indigo you got it exactly
right which is an episode i think we need to
do in the future we lived in a good one because
we got the grifters we didn't see the beginning
of it and like all the like weirdness with like
all the guys who made no money off this passion
of really weird walkingness we got the guys who
were like i could make money off this and they
didn't but they tried we had richard doty and
bill moore like paved the way they crawled so
that david wilcock could suffer His suffering
just brings us so much joy. In sum, the available
information on the prophesied return of the gods
can be understood to signify an important milestone
in the growth of human civilization. The prophesied
return can be interpreted either literally or
metaphorically to mean either a physical return
of the gods at Anakki, the return of the mysterious
10th planet of the solar system, or a rapid growth
of consciousness of humanity if the solar plane
comes into alignment with the galactic plane.
Despite the controversy over that precisely,
such a prophesied The prophesied return signifies
the factors in such a return that most pertain
to the current political situation in Iraq and
preemptive military intervention can be identified
and analyzed. The first factor that an ET transportation
device, a Stargate, or some other important ET
artifact may lie buried in the desert of southern
Iraq, which presumably will play a role in the
prophesied return of the god. Second, it is possible
that there will be a return of a 10th planet
that plays a critical role in the return of the
and or which significantly impacts on the globe.
Finally there is the potential of a rapid acceleration
of human consciousness as the end of the mind
calendar 2012 approaches. I just love the talk
of 2012 because we haven't talked about that
as a podcast. I love listening in like the 2007
to 2012 range. And it made me really nervous
the closer that we got to it. But I also loved
how many people at that time started backing
off the claims of 2012 as a got closer. I don't
even know where to file this but I'm getting
so many things added to our spreadsheet right
now. I can believe that. And 2012 is going on
there right now. Oh god yeah we do need to do
a 2012 episode. We really do need to do a 2012
episode. We're gonna call it party like it's
2012. It was a special time. It really was. It
got built up so much. And people that were not
alive for it, I do think we'd need to explain
that situation to them, or at least don't remember
it. I was just going to say, they're still pretty
young at this point. They weren't alive for 2012.
They are coming into their podcast years. They
would have just been turning 13. I think they're,
um, is it flossing? They're flossing hard or
something like that? Anyhow. Yeah, in Ohio. It's
really hard to comprehend. I know. But 2012 would
be important to them. And Chelsea, if you can
remember correctly, we are actually talking about
a stargate in Iraq, which has weirdly not been
talked about that much in this paper. Right.
But this is the part where we get to it. Oh good.
Exopolitical analysis of U .S. policy towards
Iraq. I'm also realizing this episode probably
will have to cut it and make it two. Oh man,
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