From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a Journey to the Fringe. We are your podcast
host, Taylor and Chelsea, here today doing what
may be a two parter, we don't know for sure,
of Chelsea's doing. So I don't even know right
now starting this episode, so we are just gonna
find it all out together. Today, Taylor, I'm
so excited to tell you what we're talking about
today. We're diving into, let's see if you know
who this is. J3 Productions. Oh, they did Stanley
Tiger. They did Stanley Tiger. The continuation
of the Extraordinary series, which started with
Stanley Tiger. Yes. So I was looking at this
at one point, right after Stanley Tiger, and
I just didn't feel like I had the time for it.
So I'm very excited. So, in case you need a reminder,
first off, I would recommend you go back to listen
to Stanley Tiger. Classic episode. Such a good
episode. They were the Ed Walters of their time,
which is useless after 1999. So good. You can't
be Ed Walters once, like, the internet comes
about. So, I thought I could trigger your memory
if you don't remember right now. Don't go back
if you listened to it, but please go back if
you didn't. And I'm going to refresh you with
just some reviews. extraordinary extraordinary
I don't know why I keep wanting to say it that
way in the series Stanley tiger which doesn't
go by Stanley tiger he goes by Stanley what's
his last name again who fucking knows tiger I
don't know I can't go back and tell us just tell
us in the comments okay first one four out of
ten it's a four like it's better than one three
above one it's obvious no one here watched until
the end this one actually has a spoiler on it
it's very obvious no one here watched until the
end because everyone who reviewed this film left
out one very important detail of this dude's
credibility at the very end of the film text
pops up that says that in 2014 stan was charged
with possessing and distributing child pornography
as children his young as five years old. He claimed
the FBI planted this evidence to shut him up.
When I saw this I was disgusted and any little
teeny bit of belief I had in some of what he
said, in brackets there are parts where there
were police reports and also the injuries which
he had medical records of which shocked me if
they were self -inflicted end quote, all went
out the window. This dude is sick. Tons of child
porn were found all over a bunch of USB sticks
so it's not like it was just on the computer.
If FBI was going to plant evidence to frame him,
they wouldn't bother downloading child porn all
over a bunch of random USB sticks and stash them
all over the house when you wouldn't need to
do all that to convict someone of child porn.
Just it being on the computer is enough. This
dude is so effing sick in the head. When I read
that these poor babies were as young as five,
I wanted to reach through my computer screen
and strangle him. He's a fraud. Even if he is
telling the truth of some stuff, it doesn't matter.
He is a disgusting human being. The only reason
I'm giving him a four is because the actual documentary
is well made. I love the format of it. I wouldn't
even give it a four. It was not well made. It
was not. it is spoiler it's clearly all made
up they give it a 403 despite the fact they clearly
did not like that angle wow yeah i probably okay
four out of ten again four to ten this time i'm
a believer but i don't believe this they're both
four out of ten yeah i was confused of what you
kept saying that and i even told you this is
four out of ten i really struggled with how to
rate this So firstly, let's concentrate on this
true story. For the first part, I was like, wow,
this is actually quite amazing. However, the
more it went on, the more skeptical I became.
My skeptical brain was asking, why? Why, for
example, would aliens move his knee brace outside
and leave it strewn across the garden? That at
19 minutes is where it lost all credibility for
me Nineteen minutes is all it took. Come on,
a peeping Tom alien? If aliens came into the
house, no problems, abduct people from their
beds, can send light orbs in to look around,
then why would it need to pop up at the window
and peek through? And the way it dropped down.
And then the other alien visits, where he stood
filming it in his kitchen as it unnaturally leaned
around the corner in brackets, almost like some
was holding a puppet and bracket. Apparently
they can float too because the way it moved back
around the corner. The biggest deciding factor
on those two incidents being fakery rubbish.
is the guy's reactions. Lordy, there is better
acting at a second grade drama club. Aliens are
obviously in on the selfie craze too. As reportedly
he found a camera with extraterrestrial selfies
on it. Eye roll. Yet somehow other photos magically
erased. This guy is just someone who feels very
unspecial and has created this imaginary life
of being special. Alien visits, alien children,
mystery phone phone calls calling him star seed.
I'm a believer in UFOs and extraterrestrials,
but this was just fake. I'm not saying I don't
100 % not believe this guy was adopted or experienced
something. I just think when you use fakery to
pack up planes, that's when you lose credibility.
The documentary was well done though, which is
why I struggle with how to rate it. Is this the
same guy? I want to give it a BS rating but feel
it's unfair to the documentary makers as it was
a well done and difficult topic. I would have
liked to see some objective psychology experts
view on this. I felt the one that they used who
based this evaluation of how calm he was was
amateur at best. So I just want to be fair because
this is a J3 episode. They are not shitting on
J3. They are for the most part actually saying
this company seemed to do a good job. It's just
that Stanley Tiger's a piece of shit. You know
what? I grabbed the best two kind of well -explained
explanations I could find, but reading those
two kind of gave me some red flakes. And they
both... kind of say the same things. Am I reading
this correctly? Did you get the same thing out
of them? They're both four out of 10. They're
essentially saying the same thing. Yeah, they're
both basically saying we have no belief in Stanley
Tiger, but the documentary itself was well put
together. But the documentary makers are very
good. And it wasn't necessarily made to make
you believe Stanley Tiger. It was just to document
Stanley Tiger. Does that make sense? I grabbed
those at random off IMDB. Take that with what
you will. Reading those out loud right now though,
they sound suspicious to me. They might have
been put on there. They do, they do. So that'll
get you caught up with Stanley Tiger just about.
They pretty much summarized the Stanley Tiger
episode. As much as I hate to say this, highly
recommend watching Extraordinary. I don't know
why I want to say it that way. Extraordinary
Stanley Tiger. Romanek! Because Stanley Tiger
is extraordinary and in fact below ordinary and
that's the extra parts. Yep. Check it out. It
is absolutely a work of art that you just need
to see. I've caught you up on the first extra
extraordinary god damn it Stanley Tiger. I do
have to add that I think it's funny which doesn't
feel like the right word that in the end. Now
Chelsea you say funny. something easier to say
it I feel it is something of note of note that
there we go the very last second of that documentary
and you'll hear the reviews mentioning it that
I just read that Stanley tiger was literally
arrested for child pornography yeah pedophilia
right before this was released it says in the
documentary that It was planted by the government
and so and so on due to the alien abductions.
And we have very clear evidence from a one Mr.
Richard Doty that if the government was to in
fact try to discredit someone, they're not going
to plant child pornography into someone. They're
probably going to do different methods. of discrediting
you other than child porn. So I just wanted to
throw that in there. We do have a whole other
scenario where child pornography was not used.
This man, Dianne Lee Tiger -Romack, has been
found guilty of pedophilia. I just want to make
that clear here. While we're on the topic of
child porn, I was wondering if the directors
ever actually commented on this. kind of start
out this episode from where we left off on the
last episode. And I pretty much came up empty
handed. I could not find any written response
of this at all. It wasn't until I listened to
a podcast where they were talking about their
next episode. What they had relayed about the
situation was that it was pretty much right on
the release of this documentary where it came
out about Stanley Tiger and the child pornography.
And the company releasing the documentary at
that time wanted them to completely recut the
documentary and do it on Stanley Tiger's current
situation. with the pedophilia that would have
been such an interesting documentary at that
point i mean that wouldn't be the original documentary
at all and so they were like no no that would
be so many times you go into documentary you
end up with a story that you have to follow and
that would have been such an interesting documentary
where you go in with a guy who is claiming these
things and then it turns into really, really
gross sex charges which you have to follow. Yeah,
which also leads you to believe that this might
have been a storyline to begin with. So they
do say on this podcast that yep, they said that
they wanted us to do it on this. And we said,
no, they ended up releasing it independently
and self distributed it because they were like,
yeah, this was this period in his life where
he was being abducted. And this is what we documented.
And it's completely separate from this. They
didn't want to redo it and they self distributed
it. Then somebody reached out to them after they
released it. They approached them about releasing
it. And then that's when Netflix bought it up
as well. I don't know. I find that a fucking
weird storyline that they bought it up knowing
that this guy was a pedophile. This is I want
you to keep this in mind. through this whole
episode. Because I find it weird where this goes.
This should have been a huge black mark on the
first documentary. Not only that, Netflix bought
it after they did it. Which is a huge black mark
on Netflix and I've never heard them come up
in the bad on that. I know and It brings into
question as well. Did they buy it with that little
blurb at the end saying that he was arrested
on sex offender, like pedophilia charges, and
they were like, okay, that's your due diligence?
Or did they make them at that point? There's
nothing kind of addressed as far as that goes.
I can't believe that they don't do research into
what they're buying. I just can't. Yeah, no,
it's definitely something to keep in the back
of your mind through the rest of this episode
because I still can't figure out how we get from
here to where we end the episode. I can't make
heads or tails of it. I find it weird and to
me it seems like turning a blind eye. What I'm
going to leave it with and the conclusion I'm
coming up with to end on is the end of the documentary
where it says that he was framed. for being a
pedophile by the government in light of these
abduction stories. And while they say all of
this stuff about Netflix buying it and they're
like, oh, this is a different point of his life,
blah, blah, blah. He would have been doing this
the whole time. I don't buy the cover up story
of this. Stanley Tiger is a pedophile. He's been
proven guilty. He's in jail for it. But this
is clearly where the producers of this, of J3,
stand on it. That's where I'm ending this little
section off. And it's a pretty dark section,
but that's their stance on it. Yeah, fair enough.
Moving on. J3 Films has three documentaries with
the extraordinary... I can't believe... Sorry,
just, Chelsea, before you continue on, that they...
saw that the first one ended with the guy he
ended up being a pedophile. They're like, yeah,
yeah, let's just use the same name. It's got
cred. Let's just continue it. Let's just make
a second and third of this series, right? I don't
know. It makes no sense to me. And like I said,
by the end of this, you're not going to have
our heads or tails of it for why it started with
Stanley Romanuk, Stanley Tiger. Like it doesn't
make sense how it gets from there to there. The
documentaries start with extraordinary the Stan
Romanek story, which I just finished reminding
you about and going on a long tangent about,
but I didn't actually say the name of what it's
called. It is a funny documentary to watch. These
are clearly made up scenarios as I'm sure you
have already found out going back and listening
to the Stanley Tiger episode. Next documentary
in line, is extraordinary the seeding and then
extraordinary the revelations and J3 films describe
themselves as an indie documentary film production
and distribution. I found this great little blog
post on their website that I think will take
us at least from their point of view from Stanley
Tiger to the next film. because I was having
a lot of trouble figuring out how the fuck they
got to the seeding from Stanley Tiger. This blog
post is titled Extraordinary the Seeding Deeper
Down the Rabbit Hole and this is written by John
Semple who was one of the directors on October
18th, 2018. When so many people reached out to
us after watching our first film, Extraordinary
The Stan Romanukh Story, we realized it was mission
accomplished. We knew it would be a polarizing
film simply because of the subject matter, but
as filmmakers, our goal from the beginning was
to present the story and evidence in an objective
matter so viewers could make up their own minds
as to whether or not they believed the story
to be true. We also wanted to provide the nudge
that would compel people to at least consider
the possibilities. Do extraterrestrial beings
exist? And if they do, are they abducting humans
for some kind of experimental purpose? We didn't
make the film for true believers or hardcore
skeptics. It was made for those who lived somewhere
in the middle, in the space where most of us
reside. A place where healthy skepticism and
childlike curiosity constantly co -mingle. We
made it for those who aren't afraid to ask the
questions. Who are we? Why are we here? Why don't
we know about the universe that surrounds us?
Most importantly, we wanted a story to tell about
what it is to be human. Regardless of whether
or not you believe in UFOs, and or alien contact,
there are tens of thousands of people across
the planet who have had UFO related encounters
and been profoundly affected by them. By telling
their stories, our hope is that others can be
empathetic to their experiences. With the success
of the first film, we were asked by The Orchard,
our distributor partner in LA, to create more
content. So that would be the one as an aside
that was able to get Netflix to pick them up.
We told them there was more to this story and
that we would like to go deeper down the rabbit
hole to tell it. Our second film, Extraordinary
the Seeding, is the result of those efforts.
The film is a logical progression from where
the first one took us, akin to continuing to
put pieces of a complex puzzle together. If aliens
do exist and they are abducting humans for experimental
reasons, why exactly do these experiments entail
and why are they conducting them? Over the years,
as we've researched these strange phenomena,
we've come across many individuals who claim
to have been abducted by extraterrestrials. In
particular, women have come forward and shared
what they describe as abductions followed by
pregnancies that can't be explained and that
end in strange miscarriages where the fetus simply
disappears. In many of these cases, they describe
another abduction a few years later during which
they are shown their hybrid children on board
alien craft. Without exception, these women are
sincere and credible. They hesitate to come forward
with their stories out of fear of being ridiculed
and have to relieve the nightmare. In all cases,
their lives are changed forever. Sometimes relationships
are destroyed, as are careers, but many of these
courageous individuals manage to come out on
the other side stronger and with a keen sense
of purpose and some even voice for those who
are still struggling in science with the fear
and drama. We, the Phil makers have become more
open -minded and understanding as a result of
making the second installment in the Extraordinary
Series. We originally set out to find as much
tangible evidence as we could. And while this
is most certainly critical when it comes to validating
the reality of these strange phenomena, our main
goal as filmmakers is to share human experiences.
Our true gift in sharing the story is introducing
you to the experiencers themselves, the individuals
who go to work every day, love their families
and otherwise live like the rest of us, but who
have been touched by something so extraordinary.
as two have been profoundly touched by it forever.
That brings us to Extraordinary The Seeding,
which is the second in the trilogy. And might
I just add, he did not mention at all the sex
issues. Yeah, I told you, you cannot find that
in writing anywhere. If you want something in
writing, we go how they ended that last documentary,
is that it was planted and that's their stance
on it. That's what I'm going with. Yeah. So I'm
going to read you. I mean, I'll I have a comment
at the end, but I'll let you keep going through
the story. OK, let's look at Extraordinary The
Seating. This one gets a 5 .4 out of 10 on IMBD.
Here's the storyline of what kind of happens
in this. If you can already kind of picture it
in your mind's eye what's going on and how they
kind of brought us from Stanley Tiger to here.
Abductions. Reproduction experiments. Memories
of seeing children off planet. The idea of humans
participating in an alien hybrid program sounds
absurd until you talk to people who have experienced
it. Thousands of women and men around the world
have had reproductive experiments carried out
against their will. The most harrowing, unexplained
pregnancies that terminate without explanation.
In many cases, the memories of what happened
remain suppressed and fragmented, leaving experiencers
confused, depressed, and with a profound sense
of loss. In others, the memories are visceral
and emotionally disturbing. Thanks to increased
public acceptance and regression therapy, more
and more people are coming forward with stories
of abductions and strange fertilization procedures
that occur during their frightening experiences.
Are aliens involved in a complex hybridization
project where human females are used as vessels
to carry hybrid fetuses and human males have
their sperm harvested until they're ready to
be transferred elsewhere? And if so, to what
end? Extraordinary The Seeding is a riveting
documentary that tells these stories through
one -on -one interviews. with abductees, brave
individuals willing to share intensely personal
and emotional stories with the rest of the world.
Through analysis with global ufology experts,
the film also explores hybridization, why it's
happening and why the impact on humanity is and
will be. The information presented is intended
to educate, entertain and encourage audiences
to ask one simple question. What if it's all
true? With that, I'm just going to read you a
couple quick reviews of this whole thing, and
then I'm going to give you, I watched this blessing
of a documentary, unfortunately, not to spoil
anything. Can I just ask, is it better than the
Stanley Tiger story? No. I will give you a more
detailed review of that at the end of this. I
felt like mine needed to come last, best for
last, right? One out of ten. This one's titled
Mixed Nuts Mockumentary. Ridiculous and silly.
I don't know if these people are on drugs or
should be on drugs. Just a bunch of mixed up
people telling stories. They try really hard
to make you believe that they have been abducted
and have had sex with aliens. Ha ha. Honestly,
I don't know if this is a comedy, a hoax, or
an array of mentally ill persons. Shake my head.
Right, I only gave that one review. So Taylor,
I would like you to take a look at, I'm just
gonna share you a link here in general. I'd like
you to take a look at, and I just want you to
give me a feeling. Just explain to me kind of
what you're seeing. I'm having a really hard
time with this. Okay. So what I'm sharing with
you is the G3 website. This is the exact movie
that I'm talking about. It has the synopsis.
It has the reviews. It has everything. The specific
place I linked you to is the awards that this
film has won. Oh yeah, there it is. Okay. So
I just want you to read a couple of the recognition
and awards that they have here. So they won the
Best Documentary in People's Choice Award at
the 2019 IUFOCEBE Film Festival. The Best Featured
Documentary at the 2019 Aphrodite Film Festival.
The Best Featured Documentary Silver Award. which
I don't know what that means. I think that's
good, but just take a scroll. Would you get from
this that they've won a good amount? Many awards.
Yes, many awards. Okay. Would it surprise you
if I told you that they have actually not won
one single award for this documentary? It kind
of would. I thought what they were going for
was submitting it to literally every film festival
to get awards. Yeah. So that would surprise me
that they won none. Yeah. Now, if you scroll
down a little bit, you'll see official selection.
All those ones in the, like, place. Those ones
you can tell are official selections, but right
above it, there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
10, where they legitimately make you seem like
they have won these awards. They were nominated.
okay they actually i don't know what these are
the selections they submitted for but they have
actually not won a single thing for this documentary
and i feel this to be majorly misleading that
they have this on their website just to put it
out there that i was not reading this wrong as
well I do like that I have somebody also backing
up the fact that I was confused. I went and looked
up each of these film festivals and found that
they actually did not win a single one of these
ones that they have put on there that they have
in fact won. They did not. I did really like.
that they do, of course, from famous people in
the UFO community, such as George Norrie and
Nick Pope. Yeah, which I am going to touch a
bit, I think, in the next episode. OK, so let's.
See, actually, hold on, the seating. Yeah, actually,
I am going to read that right now. That's not
the next episode. It is actually Taylor actually
segmenting to this next part nicely. Segwayed.
Segwaying nicely to this next part. Reviews extraordinary
the seating. This is from the same exact website
that Taylor just read all the major awards that
they won. The first one is from Whitley Strieber,
who is the author of Communion and Fiction. He's
come up a few times. Yeah. Finally, somebody
gets it right. An intelligence searching exploration
of the alien abduction mystery. Jim Semivan,
vice president operations to the Stars Academy.
CIA, senior intelligence service in classified
projects for 25 years. And Jim Semivan says,
quote, this documentary will be a seminal moment
in the history of ufology. It is that good. George
Norrie, host of Coast to Coast AM says, quote,
UFO documentaries usually focus on lights in
the sky, evidence and conspiracy theories. This
film flips the script and shares the emotional
impact abduction experiences have on the contactee.
It's about time. Uh, I don't know who that is,
so I'm skipping it. Nick Pope! Quote, Oh, Nick
Pope. I should tell you who he is if you don't
know who he is. He's the former lead investigator
of UFO sightings for the British Ministry of
Defense. Quote, If you have the slightest interest
in the alien abduction mystery, this is a film
you should check out. I'm not reading the rest
of these people. I don't know who they are. So.
Those are the reviews. And I must say, reading
those reviews, I'm surprised that some of these
people would even comment on it, given it's the
second in a series. They don't seem to know about
either of the videos. Exactly! Does that make
sense? They just seem to make very general comments.
Yes! So that's the thing and I don't put it past
George Norrie commenting on something he knows
nothing about and that has to be my suspicion
about the other two is aren't the other two the
others that they did absolutely no research in
this because I'm led to believe they're fully
unaware of the association with the child predator
from the first of the series. or they're literally
like, it's UFO, sure I'll say something about
it. I seriously have to believe in my soul that
they have no idea about Stanley Romanuk. But
Stanley Romanuk has also been on Coast to Coast
AM. This is someone who talked about his videos
within the community, so... I don't know. I'm
torn here about what the fuck is going on with
these people and why they're reviewing and why
on their website they have all of these recognition
and rewards that aren't true. So I just want
to give my review on it. I would not give it
a 5 .4 out of 10. Mine's probably closer to 2
or 3. It is boring. It is seriously boring. It
has nothing to do with the first extraordinary,
which I don't blame it for having nothing to
do with the first extraordinary. No, but the
reason they did it was to play off of the fact
that some people watched it and would watch a
second. Yes, that's what they're leading you
to believe with what they said in that biography.
Yeah. Nothing other than the name is tying it
to the first one. It's boring. I did not even
get to the end. I'm going to be completely honest
with you. the people that they have talking.
Yes, they're regular people. You don't really
know their background or anything. Yeah, I mean,
that's my review of it. I mean, it talks a lot,
a lot about. Seeding. It talks a lot about hybrids.
It talks a lot about like reproduction and stuff
like that. It talks a lot about miscarriages.
It talks a lot about one of the abductees is
a lesbian. It talks a lot about a lot of uncomfortable
things that I think a lot of men would feel uncomfortable
with. Most of the abductees are female and talked
about female related things. They're being seated,
so that makes sense, yeah. I thought was a really
strange angle. Especially with the comments from,
like, Nick Pope and George Rory. I really thought
it was a strange angle to go with for a second
one where they're trying to make it open for
everybody is kind of how they made it seem in
that blog post. I was even shocked. It's not
things that bother me. I was just shocked by
it knowing that other people would probably be
very uncomfortable by how female oriented it
was. So that's my review of it. I think that
I'm going to leave it here on this one. I'm going
to leave it at a cliffhanger after extraordinary
the seating. And in the next episode, let's get
into extraordinary the revelations. And let's
talk about the directors that are behind the
Extraordinary series. Okay. So let's ponder that
for the next... Oh, I don't know how many hours
are in a week. I was trying to end it like a
mini. Oh, hold on! What do you have to add? Well,
I just want to say that I find this a problem
of the economic system that we have in place.
In that... It is so much easier to build off
of an un -established brand, even if it's not
good, or it has negatives attached to it, than
to create an entirely new brand. That's totally
fair. And that seems to be the problem with this
situation. I would completely agree with that.
They're like, we already established this. Let's
continue on with where we're going. Netflix bought
it. Why would we not continue it even though
it's attached to this pedophile? I would also
say, given what I know now, knowing how this
series ends, I think this is just me saying,
but they might even said it's vaguely connected.
It's still all UFOs. We can continue with this.
Yeah. But no, they most importantly said, we
built so much credit off of this, we can't afford
to not use it again. Yeah, that's true. I mean,
they did say in that podcast, they were like,
it was it was meant to be it was fate that somebody
ended up picking it up after all of this was
causing us to fail. So maybe they just continued
with it after that. And that's a very good point.
But yeah, that's it. It's just the fact that
it's. In any sane or normal society, you just
ended at that. And if you have other stories
to tell, you tell them separately from Stanley.
Personally, yeah, exactly. I would have probably
moved on with another one and been like, you
know, I want to keep directing. Let's just direct
a whole different movie. And in this area too,
just like these will be separate from Stanley
because my God, this came out and we cannot have
a catch to this. And they said, no, we've already
built some brand. And the real shocker behind
it was all of those credible people giving reviews
as well. I was really shocked by it. Yeah. But
yeah, that's all I had to add. Well, we've reached
the end, I think. So now you have seven days
worth of hours to contemplate what part two is
going to bring you. What is it? 168 hours? 168
hours. I don't know. I just said I don't know
how many hours. Okay. Yeah. 120 plus 48, so 168.
168 hours. Well, less than that because there's
a mini and then you forget all about it. Plus,
also, you can listen to this episode, which kind
of cuts in time to the next episode, so. So,
see you there. Yeah. We'll see you there. Goodbye.
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