WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:13.439 us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:15.800 to Journey to the Fringe. If the fringe is calling 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:18.600 you, it's really best not to travel alone. There's 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.460 a lot of assholes out there. Just like so many. 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.719 We are. You're friendly, I promise. podcast hosts 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.179 Taylor and Chelsea. Here today, it's been a while 00:00:27.179 --> 00:00:29.519 since I've done kind of a general overview of 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.240 a fringy topic, Chelsea, but I wanted to do one. 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.060 And you know what it's gonna be today? What? 00:00:34.340 --> 00:00:37.490 Tunnels. Fringy tunnels. Oh, I thought you said 00:00:37.490 --> 00:00:40.170 funnels. I was like like the thing you used to 00:00:40.170 --> 00:00:43.170 help put the water all into one place. OK, I 00:00:43.170 --> 00:00:45.810 don't know why. I feel like my texting on my 00:00:45.810 --> 00:00:47.990 phone has gotten worse and I don't know if it's 00:00:47.990 --> 00:00:50.729 me or the phone. Oh, mine is. But I've been misspelling 00:00:50.729 --> 00:00:52.950 a lot of things really badly the last little 00:00:52.950 --> 00:00:55.369 while. I also just switched over to an iPhone 00:00:55.369 --> 00:00:58.950 and also I was concentrating on how I wanted 00:00:58.950 --> 00:01:02.789 to clarify the fringe that we're a part of. We 00:01:02.789 --> 00:01:05.650 are not the assholes, I think that we border 00:01:05.650 --> 00:01:08.359 on. on it sometimes. I don't think we are either. 00:01:08.579 --> 00:01:10.939 I'd like to think we're friendly. I mean, we 00:01:10.939 --> 00:01:13.519 are mean to the assholes, I think, and I don't 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.599 think it's, or I shouldn't say mean. We are critical 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.680 of the assholes, which I don't think is a mean 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.719 thing. We're just telling it like it is. That 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.319 doesn't make us assholes. And I think people 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.700 should be aware of the assholeness of those people. 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.200 Nobody's ever called us assholes. They've just 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:32.900 told us that we laugh a lot, which is a compliment. 00:01:33.219 --> 00:01:37.340 Yes. Thank you. or a compliment even though you've 00:01:37.340 --> 00:01:40.519 never listened again. It's true, we did lose 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.079 someone there rather quickly into their journey 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.799 here to the fridge. I still can't tell if they 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.659 liked the asshole that we were talking about 00:01:48.659 --> 00:01:52.060 or not but nonetheless they were critical of 00:01:52.060 --> 00:01:54.280 our laughing which we took as a compliment and 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:58.299 continued making no changes to it. This is for 00:01:58.299 --> 00:02:01.500 us after all, you're not paying us. Today we're 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:04.000 going to be talking about tunnels and that seems 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.769 like a weird topic or something that you can't 00:02:06.769 --> 00:02:09.110 really do a whole episode on but Chelsea I got 00:02:09.110 --> 00:02:13.030 19 pages here to talk about and oh shit I'm gonna 00:02:13.030 --> 00:02:15.270 have to go to bed halfway through well I can 00:02:15.270 --> 00:02:17.030 entertain everybody for the second don't worry 00:02:17.030 --> 00:02:19.569 about that okay anyhow tunnels can be fringy 00:02:19.569 --> 00:02:22.969 in many different ways for Chelsea a tunnel can 00:02:22.969 --> 00:02:27.330 be haunted a tunnel can be mysteriously old and 00:02:27.330 --> 00:02:29.889 not known about for a long time a tunnel can 00:02:29.889 --> 00:02:33.430 be associated with UFOs or aliens and I didn't 00:02:33.430 --> 00:02:35.500 want it to Dispriminate I wanted to give us a 00:02:35.500 --> 00:02:38.199 sprinkling of this entire group and just say 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.500 like hey, there's some weird tunnels out there 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:43.340 Let's talk about that. So Chelsea today's never 00:02:43.340 --> 00:02:45.840 terrified of tunnels I don't think so no more 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:48.419 so than you were before I should say so I can't 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:50.879 confirm how you felt I'm skeptical for okay. 00:02:50.979 --> 00:02:55.060 I'm skeptical but Yeah, I'm excited. The first 00:02:55.060 --> 00:02:56.860 tunnel we're gonna be talking about is actually 00:02:56.860 --> 00:02:59.919 in Portland, Oregon It is called the Shanghai 00:02:59.919 --> 00:03:02.680 tunnels seems like a weird place to be found 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.439 Yeah, why it's called Shanghai Tunnels. Maybe 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.300 we'll explain here. I'm actually fairly certain 00:03:07.300 --> 00:03:10.120 we do because I'm afraid this script is mine, 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:12.539 but it is a weird name and Portland's a weird 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:14.919 place. Yeah, it is. In downtown Portland, tourists 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.740 gather in the shops and restaurants completely 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:19.280 unaware of what lies beneath their feet. Lying 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.000 down there is a series of 150 -year -old tunnels 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.020 that connect the basements of the city's oldest 00:03:24.020 --> 00:03:26.259 buildings to the Willamette River, as well as 00:03:26.259 --> 00:03:28.280 Portland's Chinatown. The tunnels were built 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.800 by Chinese workers during the time when Chinatown 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.900 was the center of trade business. The tunnels' 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:35.539 original design was for transporting goods from 00:03:35.539 --> 00:03:37.860 cargo ships to the inner city. By using the tunnels, 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.180 the ship's crew could avoid the hassles of inner 00:03:40.180 --> 00:03:42.120 city traffic. This was good for the business 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.240 of Portland because many of them stored their 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.419 goods in their basements. But unbeknownst to 00:03:46.419 --> 00:03:48.180 the good people of Portland, the tunnels had 00:03:48.180 --> 00:03:51.120 much more nefarious use back in those days. Portland 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.800 was a small town at the time, but it had a large 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.400 port that could support many ships. Many cargo 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.580 ships sailed for many months across the Pacific 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:01.159 before unloading their cargo in Portland. Because 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.479 the sailors had a very short window of downtime, 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.000 before they had to pack up and set sail again. 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:07.900 Many sailors spent their time drinking in the 00:04:07.900 --> 00:04:10.099 bars or fighting in the... loons. Some sailors 00:04:10.099 --> 00:04:12.180 took the opportunity to abandon their life at 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:14.800 sea because they feared death by disease or debilitating 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.980 injury. This would leave sea captains with empty 00:04:16.980 --> 00:04:19.180 positions that they would have to fill in order 00:04:19.180 --> 00:04:21.639 to leave port on time. People were oftentimes 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.300 reluctant to sign up for a long sea voyage. So 00:04:24.300 --> 00:04:27.139 crooked captains would hire men to Shanghai replacement 00:04:27.139 --> 00:04:29.620 sailors 50 bucks a head. This is where the Shanghai 00:04:29.620 --> 00:04:32.180 tunnels get their names from. But it didn't explain 00:04:32.180 --> 00:04:35.699 what that means. Shanghai sailors? They would 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:38.240 Shanghai sailors like abduct them. Why is that? 00:04:39.410 --> 00:04:42.350 That's what it says. I'm sorry. You can't see 00:04:42.350 --> 00:04:44.550 this people were oftentimes reluctant to sign 00:04:44.550 --> 00:04:47.009 up to long sea voyages So cookie captains would 00:04:47.009 --> 00:04:49.810 hire men to quote unquote Shanghai replacements 00:04:49.810 --> 00:04:53.050 like abduct them. Why is that the word for it? 00:04:53.149 --> 00:04:55.550 I don't know. I'm sure there is a reason but 00:04:55.550 --> 00:04:58.199 I don't know Men looking to make a quick buck 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.439 would prowl Portland's bar saloons and taverns 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.459 looking for young, able -bodied men who were 00:05:02.459 --> 00:05:04.620 alone. These Shanghaiers would wait until the 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:06.759 target was drunk and then take him down to the 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:08.379 basement. They would knock the man unconscious 00:05:08.379 --> 00:05:11.259 and drag him through the Shanghai t - Once on 00:05:11.259 --> 00:05:13.959 board the ships, these men chose labor over starvation. 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.019 Some men managed to escape the ships and warned 00:05:16.019 --> 00:05:18.360 the public about the Shanghaiers. Stories about 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:20.259 the Shanghaiers circulated Portland and soon 00:05:20.259 --> 00:05:22.360 men became more cautious when drinking out at 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.500 the bar. No kidding. When abducting men became 00:05:24.500 --> 00:05:27.259 difficult, savvy Shanghaiers kidnapped women 00:05:27.259 --> 00:05:29.800 instead. Women who frequented bars alone became 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.540 easy prey for Shanghaiers. Many bars had trap 00:05:32.540 --> 00:05:35.240 doors that were sprung on unsuspecting women. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.620 Once the women fell into the tunnel, it was impossible 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:39.589 to get back out. Prostitution rings often and 00:05:39.589 --> 00:05:41.569 used the tunnels to hold groups of women in cages 00:05:41.569 --> 00:05:43.829 for long periods of time. This gave them enough 00:05:43.829 --> 00:05:46.370 time to secure buyers outside of Portland. Chinese 00:05:46.370 --> 00:05:48.470 gangsters were also known to Shanghai people 00:05:48.470 --> 00:05:51.069 after doping them. Chinatown had many different 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:53.329 conflicting gang groups who oftentimes had their 00:05:53.329 --> 00:05:55.350 own separate tunnels towards the docks. They 00:05:55.350 --> 00:05:57.389 used the tunnels to sneak in immigrants as well 00:05:57.389 --> 00:05:59.709 as goods and drugs. And the many different brothels, 00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:01.689 bars, and gambling lairs received these goods 00:06:01.689 --> 00:06:04.430 and people through their own personal trap doors 00:06:04.430 --> 00:06:07.009 and tunnels. Personal. Yeah, like most of these 00:06:07.009 --> 00:06:09.300 gangs in the area using tunnels. prevented them 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:11.819 from being busted by the police. During Prohibition, 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.319 the Shanghai tunnels became underground expressways. 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:16.680 Shanghires used the tunnels to transport alcohol 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.899 shipments from the ships on the Willamette River 00:06:18.899 --> 00:06:21.980 to bars all over Portland. Bars, hotels, and 00:06:21.980 --> 00:06:24.379 taverns often used secret passages in the Shanghai 00:06:24.379 --> 00:06:27.019 tunnels to conduct their business away from prying 00:06:27.019 --> 00:06:30.000 eyes. Police routinely raided bars during Prohibition, 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.540 making daily operations impossible for bar owners. 00:06:32.660 --> 00:06:34.879 To combat this, bar owners began stashing their 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.839 alcohol supply deep in the Shanghai tunnels to 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.439 avoid arrest. Hidden doors were also commonly 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.980 used in bars during this time. Police officers 00:06:41.980 --> 00:06:44.699 raided bars, taverns, and saloons in large groups, 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:46.879 which made it impossible for criminals to escape. 00:06:47.139 --> 00:06:49.500 Bar owners used hidden doors and passages to 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:51.779 hide their business associates when they were 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:54.420 on the run. Once the police concluded their business, 00:06:54.579 --> 00:06:56.779 the criminals would return to their seats at 00:06:56.779 --> 00:06:59.300 the bar and have another drink. Once police officers 00:06:59.300 --> 00:07:01.500 realized that businesses and gangs were using 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:03.339 tunnels, they began to conduct searches of them. 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:05.759 Unfortunately, police officers were oftentimes 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.860 unsuccessful because of the time sheer expansiveness. 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.120 Gangsters and bar owners had long since mapped 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.079 out the underground passageways and knew exactly 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.500 where to hide their goods. I did not know that 00:07:15.500 --> 00:07:18.139 history about Portland, that there's an entire 00:07:18.139 --> 00:07:20.720 underground. It's actually a fairly common thing 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.680 on the West Coast, it seems, because Seattle 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.399 too has like a very extensive underground city. 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.759 Yeah, apparently that was a thing. You just had 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.040 to build a city and then when that didn't work 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.480 out, you just built another one on top of it. 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.199 I did find out why it's referred to as Shang 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.370 Haiing. I thought that it was racist. I would 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:41.449 have thought too. But they call it Shanghai -ing 00:07:41.449 --> 00:07:44.069 because that was a common destination for the 00:07:44.069 --> 00:07:47.009 ships to go with the abducted crew members because 00:07:47.009 --> 00:07:49.250 they were doing like routes and stuff like that. 00:07:49.430 --> 00:07:51.970 Interesting, okay. We've learned more than just 00:07:51.970 --> 00:07:54.509 the tunnels in Portland. Today the Shanghai tunnels 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:56.769 are used mainly as tourist attractions. You can 00:07:56.769 --> 00:07:59.110 actually go see parts of them. Of course, yeah. 00:07:59.129 --> 00:08:01.470 I would do that. Yeah, that sounds actually fairly 00:08:01.470 --> 00:08:03.410 entertaining. During the height of its operation, 00:08:03.569 --> 00:08:05.569 an estimated 2 ,000 people a year were Shanghai 00:08:05.569 --> 00:08:07.250 -ing. hide through Portland's underground tunnels, 00:08:07.509 --> 00:08:10.430 which is crazy. That's a ton of people, particularly 00:08:10.430 --> 00:08:13.250 because Portland wasn't a huge city 200 years 00:08:13.250 --> 00:08:16.100 ago. Yeah. Well, it would have been, I didn't 00:08:16.100 --> 00:08:18.740 actually know that Portland was a port city, 00:08:18.779 --> 00:08:21.560 but it makes sense actually now that I said Portland 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.480 and port in the same sentence. Funny enough. 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:27.939 But I mean, sailing was a huge thing, I guess, 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:32.639 back then. So why not kidnap lots and lots of 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.419 people to work on the boats if you needed them? 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.080 Well, I'm particularly like, yeah, like a place 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.919 where you kind of stopped off after long voyages 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:42.960 and people just wanted to fuck off. And that's 00:08:42.789 --> 00:08:46.110 what happened. According to experts, many unfortunate 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.070 souls never made it out of these tunnels alive. 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.429 Many were beaten, starved, and left for dead 00:08:50.429 --> 00:08:53.149 within the tunnels. Gangs used these tunnels 00:08:53.149 --> 00:08:54.850 for their hideout and would often drag their 00:08:54.850 --> 00:08:56.889 victims down into the tunnels to keep them from 00:08:56.889 --> 00:08:59.429 talking to the police. There's evidence that 00:08:59.429 --> 00:09:01.769 gangs even kept disobedient members in the tunnels 00:09:01.769 --> 00:09:04.309 as a form of punishment. Oftentimes disobedient 00:09:04.309 --> 00:09:06.330 gang members would be left by themselves with 00:09:06.330 --> 00:09:08.610 no light. Sometimes the gangs would retrieve 00:09:08.610 --> 00:09:10.350 their man after a certain period of time and 00:09:10.350 --> 00:09:12.549 other times they wouldn't. If parts of the tunnels 00:09:12.549 --> 00:09:15.149 go on for miles and miles, it would be easy to 00:09:15.149 --> 00:09:17.049 get lost in the dark, especially without a light 00:09:17.049 --> 00:09:19.169 to see where you were going. The labyrinth of 00:09:19.169 --> 00:09:21.149 underground tunnels is still explored today, 00:09:21.269 --> 00:09:23.470 and explorers can travel underground and see 00:09:23.470 --> 00:09:26.029 the holding cells once used by the prostitution 00:09:26.029 --> 00:09:28.409 rings, as well as the trap doors the Shanghais 00:09:28.409 --> 00:09:30.789 dropped people through, which are still functional 00:09:30.789 --> 00:09:32.970 in some bars. Although no one should explore 00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:36.210 the tunnels by themselves, there are many tunnels 00:09:36.210 --> 00:09:38.470 that have collapsed over the years, and some 00:09:38.470 --> 00:09:40.970 tunnels lead to nowhere. If you are going on 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:42.789 a Shang - high tunnel adventure, make sure to 00:09:42.789 --> 00:09:45.149 stay close to your guide as you can. You definitely 00:09:45.149 --> 00:09:47.049 don't want to get lost. Chelsea, is that guy 00:09:47.049 --> 00:09:49.590 trapped down there by chance? Are you talking 00:09:49.590 --> 00:09:51.990 about the picture I just sent you? Yes. I don't 00:09:51.990 --> 00:09:54.230 know how I got here, but I just wanted you to 00:09:54.230 --> 00:09:56.909 see the ass on this Loveland Frog. They really 00:09:56.909 --> 00:10:00.049 emphasize the Loveland Frog's ass. It's juicy. 00:10:00.389 --> 00:10:02.889 The frog works out and everybody needs to know 00:10:02.889 --> 00:10:05.809 this. It actually has nothing to do with the 00:10:05.809 --> 00:10:08.250 tunnel. I just happened to come across and I 00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:11.179 was like, wow, look at his ass. he just comes 00:10:11.179 --> 00:10:14.019 up in the weirdest spots. I know. I'm gonna close 00:10:14.019 --> 00:10:16.879 my tab now with a level of rock art. Deep within 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.220 the tunnels, travelers report feeling goosebumps 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:21.279 as if someone is watching them from the shadows. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.399 Many people report seeing an Asian man walking 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.500 past them in the tunnels. Explorers name the 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:27.860 spirit Sam and say that he is responsible for 00:10:27.860 --> 00:10:30.399 turning off the lights in Bar's basements. Sam 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.419 also likes to move things around in the tunnels 00:10:32.419 --> 00:10:35.019 as explorers walk by. One tour guide reported 00:10:35.019 --> 00:10:37.419 hearing a voice calling out the name Sam over 00:10:37.419 --> 00:10:39.200 and over again. Ed echoed through the tunnels 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.419 and scared him. guess because his entire group 00:10:41.419 --> 00:10:44.240 was behind him he knew that it was not one of 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.340 them he says it was one of the scariest experiences 00:10:46.340 --> 00:10:48.440 of his life go ahead Sam wouldn't be calling 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.259 his own name that's a fair point but maybe he 00:10:51.259 --> 00:10:53.179 does because it scares people because he knows 00:10:53.179 --> 00:10:56.279 he's scary or yeah or because he wants people 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:02.980 to know who he is maybe so you're not gonna know 00:11:02.980 --> 00:11:05.799 the people who are there you've been dead like 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.820 why would you know them so it is best yellow 00:11:07.820 --> 00:11:32.500 your name oh you're into Other seeing quick movement 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:34.519 of shadows and feeling ghostly fingers on their 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:36.879 shoulders when no one else is around. Most tunnel 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.230 tourists say that Sam is good ghost and look 00:11:39.230 --> 00:11:41.730 forward to feeling his presence that's really 00:11:41.730 --> 00:11:44.149 creepy that is weird that's a bad touch from 00:11:44.149 --> 00:11:47.009 a ghost that is stockholm syndrome you should 00:11:47.009 --> 00:11:49.690 um is that stockholm syndrome no it's still creepy 00:11:49.690 --> 00:11:52.370 don't let ghost touch sam's fingers touch me 00:11:52.370 --> 00:11:55.129 tonight that's a weird sentence to say yeah i 00:11:55.129 --> 00:11:58.110 don't like it i don't want to go there anymore 00:11:58.110 --> 00:12:00.889 nope he says his name lovingly in your ear i 00:12:00.889 --> 00:12:05.210 don't like it sam Other tunnel spirits are known 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:07.490 as tricksters who just love to have a good time. 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:09.789 They will often pull at your shirt tail or gently 00:12:09.789 --> 00:12:12.009 tug at the ends of your hair. One gets reported 00:12:12.009 --> 00:12:14.429 feeling a small tug on her shirt before she tripped. 00:12:14.490 --> 00:12:16.350 She was not injured, but it was an experience 00:12:16.350 --> 00:12:28.610 she says she will never forget. Some people recall 00:12:28.610 --> 00:12:30.850 feeling unwelcome like someone or something is 00:12:30.850 --> 00:12:32.629 watching them. One man remembers hearing the 00:12:32.629 --> 00:12:35.029 sounds of like whistling just before he was thrown 00:12:35.029 --> 00:12:37.250 to the ground and that is particularly hilarious 00:12:37.250 --> 00:12:39.590 for me because he keeps saying that he knows 00:12:39.590 --> 00:12:43.509 how to whistle that's what I'm picturing right 00:12:43.509 --> 00:12:49.610 now yeah after standing up he turned to see who 00:12:49.610 --> 00:12:52.139 had knocked him down assuming it was the small 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:53.840 chat who didn't know how to whistle. Lifting 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.620 his flashlight, he saw that no one was behind 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:57.740 him. The man reported that it was the last time 00:12:57.740 --> 00:12:59.320 he would be visiting. Although there are some 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.539 scary reports of ghostly activity coming from 00:13:01.539 --> 00:13:03.179 down in the tunnels, most of the experiences 00:13:03.179 --> 00:13:06.299 are friendly. If you go, be prepared to experience 00:13:06.299 --> 00:13:08.559 complete darkness, bring your own water and stay 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:10.679 with your group at all times. Why? There's not 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.320 water down there? Well, you're going to the Willamette 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.700 River, so I guess if you really want to, you 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:18.580 don't want to drink that water. And also, I assume 00:13:18.580 --> 00:13:21.110 you're not actually going to be close. Lots of 00:13:21.110 --> 00:13:23.730 real klutzy people going down into these tunnels. 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:26.389 Lots of fallen. And apparently the tour guides 00:13:26.389 --> 00:13:28.629 really like to push and be handsy, is what I'm 00:13:28.629 --> 00:13:30.669 getting from this story. That's also what I'm 00:13:30.669 --> 00:13:32.509 getting from it. Anyhow, that actually sounds 00:13:32.509 --> 00:13:34.929 like a really fun ghost tour if you happen to 00:13:34.929 --> 00:13:37.330 be in Portland. Those tunnels sound fascinating. 00:13:37.750 --> 00:13:39.929 Also, just try and stay on your foot. Wear extra 00:13:39.929 --> 00:13:42.289 layers that are tight. And watch your footing. 00:13:42.450 --> 00:13:44.509 Next up, Chelsea, we're heading to Scotland for 00:13:44.509 --> 00:13:46.950 the Edinburgh Vaults. Now, the story of the Edinburgh 00:13:46.950 --> 00:13:49.950 Vaults began in the late 18th century with construction 00:13:49.950 --> 00:13:53.490 of the South Bridge in 1788. Designed as a grand 00:13:53.490 --> 00:13:55.950 passage linking the Old Town to the burgeoning 00:13:55.950 --> 00:13:58.389 South Side, the bridge was more than just a structure. 00:13:58.610 --> 00:14:01.389 It was Edinburgh's first purpose -built shopping 00:14:01.389 --> 00:14:04.129 street. Where behind the facade of the tenements 00:14:04.129 --> 00:14:06.509 that flanked the bridge, a hidden network of 00:14:06.509 --> 00:14:09.529 chambers was created within its 19 arches repurposed 00:14:09.529 --> 00:14:12.570 as storage rooms, workshops, and spaces for bustling 00:14:12.570 --> 00:14:15.450 tradesmen. For around 30 years these vaults thrived 00:14:15.450 --> 00:14:18.110 with life serving as taverns, cobblers workshops, 00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:20.419 and even storage for whiskey distillers. However, 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.019 the fate of these subterranean spaces soon took 00:14:23.019 --> 00:14:26.700 a darker turn. A bridge had been hastily constructed 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.500 and its foundations were far from secure. Water 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:32.179 began seeping into the vaults, flooding the floors, 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.620 and driving out legitimate businesses. By the 00:14:34.620 --> 00:14:37.519 early 1800s, only the poorest of Edinburgh's 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.240 citizens remained. The vaults devolved into a 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.639 den of inequity, home to illegal gambling dens, 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:45.580 illicit whiskey distilleries, prostitution, and 00:14:45.580 --> 00:14:49.159 even rumors of body snatching. Oh my god. They 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.600 were boasting about the whiskey distillers at 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.879 the beginning and now it's the illicit whiskey 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:58.179 distillers that moved in. They're both signifiers 00:14:58.179 --> 00:15:01.980 of good and bad economies. It's beautiful. Especially 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:04.899 in Scotland. It got so bad the whiskey distillers 00:15:04.899 --> 00:15:07.179 moved in, or it was so beautiful that the whiskey 00:15:07.179 --> 00:15:10.259 distillers moved in. It was thriving, the whiskey 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:12.799 distillers came in. Anyhow, there was not a normal 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.990 economy there. It was not on its middle times. 00:15:16.169 --> 00:15:18.690 Conditions further deteriorated. Damp, dark, 00:15:18.850 --> 00:15:20.990 and devoid of sunlight, the vaults became nearly 00:15:20.990 --> 00:15:24.049 uninhabitable. By the 1860s, even the most desperate 00:15:24.049 --> 00:15:26.570 souls had vacated the vault, and they were sealed, 00:15:26.690 --> 00:15:29.309 lost to the city above. For decades, the vaults 00:15:29.309 --> 00:15:31.230 faded from memory, and it wasn't until a chance 00:15:31.230 --> 00:15:33.629 discovered in the 1980s that they were thrust 00:15:33.629 --> 00:15:36.350 back into the limelight. A former Scottish rugby 00:15:36.350 --> 00:15:38.470 internationalist stumbled upon a hidden tunnel 00:15:38.470 --> 00:15:40.769 leading to the vaults, rediscovering this forgotten 00:15:40.769 --> 00:15:43.509 world. What Rowan found was a shadowy filled 00:15:43.509 --> 00:15:46.269 with relics of its past, a time capsule of human 00:15:46.269 --> 00:15:48.590 habitation and hidden history. From the moment 00:15:48.590 --> 00:15:50.490 the vaults were unearthed, stories of ghostly 00:15:50.490 --> 00:15:52.789 apparitions and eerie encounters began to surface. 00:15:52.950 --> 00:15:55.509 The vaults, steeped in their grim history, seemed 00:15:55.509 --> 00:15:58.110 to have soaked up the pain, fear, and misery 00:15:58.110 --> 00:16:00.289 of those who once lived and died in their damp 00:16:00.289 --> 00:16:02.970 confines. Paranormal investigators and ghost 00:16:02.970 --> 00:16:05.190 hunters flocked to the site, eager to experience 00:16:05.190 --> 00:16:07.409 the supernatural for themselves. The Edinburgh 00:16:07.409 --> 00:16:09.889 vaults are widely believed to be haunted due 00:16:09.889 --> 00:16:12.289 to their dark past, a history filled with crime. 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.700 death and disease. Several spectral residents 00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:17.200 are thought to dwell with one called Mr. Boots, 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.019 also called the Watcher, an intimidating presence 00:16:20.019 --> 00:16:22.379 often heard by the heavy footfalls of boots. 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:24.899 Some believe he was once a safeguard or watchman 00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:27.220 who still patrols the vault. Yes, it's not because 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:29.840 he has a cat. I was gonna say, does he walk around 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.539 going, Mr. Boots? 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That is. And I 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:01.840 can't say if that didn't happen to me, I'd be 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.059 like, just come home with me. I guess we have 00:17:04.059 --> 00:17:06.619 a ghost child now. We've adopted him. How do 00:17:06.619 --> 00:17:08.680 we do this legally? Is that better than coming 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.200 home with a dog to like a spouse? No, I can't 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.380 imagine that it would be. It might be a step 00:17:14.380 --> 00:17:17.359 below that as in worse. OK. How would you be 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.519 like? Financially, I think it's fine, right? 00:17:19.539 --> 00:17:21.440 Because like you don't have to feed. You don't 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.619 have to take it out to go pee. You don't have 00:17:23.619 --> 00:17:26.079 to worry about biting somebody. I don't think. 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:27.990 Yeah. Also, I think we learned that you don't 00:17:27.990 --> 00:17:31.509 have to disclose it on a sale of a house unless 00:17:31.509 --> 00:17:34.369 you specifically market it as a haunted house 00:17:34.369 --> 00:17:36.470 because you brought the ghost child home. And 00:17:36.470 --> 00:17:39.470 not if you're officially adopting the ghost child, 00:17:39.509 --> 00:17:41.329 I think. Yeah, because it would come with you 00:17:41.329 --> 00:17:44.349 if you moved. Yeah, you'd be like, we have good 00:17:44.349 --> 00:17:46.690 news. And then they'd be like, what do you mean 00:17:46.690 --> 00:17:49.269 we? And we'd be like, Mr. Boots here. But his 00:17:49.269 --> 00:17:52.230 name's not Boot. His name's Jack. Yeah, it's 00:17:52.230 --> 00:17:54.910 whatever he screams in the middle of the night. 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.079 Creepy ghost kid. But we're now the proud parents 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:02.380 to Jack here, who's a child ghost. We'll be putting 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:04.740 him through college. And they also say this, 00:18:04.940 --> 00:18:07.039 although I find it hard to believe that it was 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.220 once the site of witchcraft and this vault is 00:18:09.220 --> 00:18:12.319 said to trap negative energy. Visitors have reported 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.599 mysterious scratches and an overwhelming sense 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.640 of unease, which I have a hard time when people 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.500 say like witchcraft was practiced here. I have 00:18:20.500 --> 00:18:22.240 a feeling that we don't understand what they 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.920 were practicing and we just branded it vaguely 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.039 as witchcraft or pig. That's true. I can get 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.380 on board with that. Definitely. I still do it 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:32.559 Yeah, if anyone says anything uncomfortable to 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.980 me, I'm like witchcraft. Well, you're gonna get 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:39.269 burned Yeah, I only have two reactions. That's 00:18:39.269 --> 00:18:41.869 just what you say. Yeah. Catch them off guard. 00:18:42.069 --> 00:18:44.589 The vaults have earned a reputation, at least 00:18:44.589 --> 00:18:46.490 according to the websites I have read, as one 00:18:46.490 --> 00:18:48.369 of the most haunted locations in Scotland, which 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:51.049 I think is pretty good. Like Scotland has to 00:18:51.049 --> 00:18:53.390 be a pretty haunted place. People got nothing 00:18:53.390 --> 00:18:55.849 else to do in Scotland other than drink and haunt 00:18:55.849 --> 00:18:58.970 and fight. Oh, that's true. Did we not do a haunted 00:18:58.970 --> 00:19:01.829 forest in Scotland or was it Ireland? No, Ireland. 00:19:02.049 --> 00:19:04.170 That one was in Ireland. Yeah. That was a good 00:19:04.170 --> 00:19:07.170 one. That was spooky. Druids too in Scotland, 00:19:07.349 --> 00:19:10.099 right? I assume so. I think everything that's 00:19:10.099 --> 00:19:13.160 not England. I had those might have been just 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.480 catch all witchcraft in my mind. Oh, good point. 00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:18.579 Never thought of it that way. And also, Chelsea, 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.980 this next sentence, shadows of shadowy figures, 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.299 disembodied voices and strange orbs of light 00:19:23.299 --> 00:19:25.720 are frequently reported. Those shadowy figures 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.099 could be droid ropes. We don't know. Shadows 00:19:28.099 --> 00:19:31.140 of shadowy figures is extremely descriptive, 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.720 by the way. Lightings of shadowy figures. I might 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.240 have missed that. OK, I liked it better when 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.200 you put it shadows of shadowy. You don't actually 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.759 see this we figure you see their shadows Definitely 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.900 could be druids some visitors even claim to have 00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:48.920 been pushed or touched by unseen hands Of course, 00:19:48.980 --> 00:19:52.900 it seems like Sam is It's a tunnel thing. I think 00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:54.960 it might actually be a tunnel thing here It's 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.900 a tunnel thing I'm thinking first hand accounts 00:19:56.900 --> 00:19:58.500 from those who have dared to spend the night 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:00.619 in the vaults reveal just how unsettling these 00:20:00.619 --> 00:20:02.740 Experiences can be also. I'm a little upset. 00:20:02.740 --> 00:20:04.799 They haven't explained they said these things 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.220 got flooded and people just abandoned them and 00:20:07.109 --> 00:20:09.630 forgot about them. So I guess the flooding has 00:20:09.630 --> 00:20:11.990 gone away over time. I don't know. They haven't 00:20:11.990 --> 00:20:14.130 really explained that part. Does it? Would it 00:20:14.130 --> 00:20:16.470 do that though? Or are we, should we picturing 00:20:16.470 --> 00:20:19.369 everyone exploring like in like waist deep water? 00:20:19.529 --> 00:20:21.650 I would go in there. I would have thought that. 00:20:21.670 --> 00:20:24.029 And in like coveralls, like those mud gummies. 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:27.130 up to their chest, looking for crawdaddies. That's 00:20:27.130 --> 00:20:30.230 just a total note for me. Would never do that. 00:20:30.589 --> 00:20:34.190 That can just remain in water in silence. Also, 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:36.809 I just can't imagine somebody spending the night 00:20:36.809 --> 00:20:39.630 in something with even ankle -deep water. No, 00:20:39.630 --> 00:20:41.769 that's true. But if you're ghost hunting, are 00:20:41.769 --> 00:20:44.589 you taking a rest anyway? I guess the ghosts 00:20:44.589 --> 00:20:48.049 even haunt watery places. They might be. It doesn't 00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:49.690 seem like that big a place, but they might be 00:20:49.690 --> 00:20:52.529 in a dinghy. I don't know. To that point, I think 00:20:52.529 --> 00:20:55.009 the Titanic would still be haunted even though 00:20:55.009 --> 00:20:57.990 it's under like that is an interesting take i 00:20:57.990 --> 00:20:59.630 don't think the ghost could take the pressure 00:20:59.630 --> 00:21:01.630 really yeah you think they're pressure based 00:21:01.630 --> 00:21:03.609 eh not only do i think they're pressure based 00:21:03.609 --> 00:21:06.269 i just don't think there's enough conscious observation 00:21:06.269 --> 00:21:09.210 down there for people to ghost to bother haunting 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:12.650 it oh it's like if a tree falls in the woods 00:21:12.650 --> 00:21:15.569 you think that a ghost needs someone to i think 00:21:15.569 --> 00:21:18.630 ghosts need something there really interesting 00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:22.069 i think hmm wow we're really cutting deep on 00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:23.920 this one i guess This brings the question of 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.900 can space be haunted Chelsea? I mean, yeah, technically 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:30.440 no Mmm, I want to say yeah, but it feels wrong. 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:32.240 Okay. Well, we should focus on this because I 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.460 get a lot to go but those are questions we need 00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:37.970 to come back to at some point we do we do one 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:40.289 investigator shared their tale of several overnight 00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.630 stays describing strange footsteps echoing through 00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:45.029 the darkened halls and a night when everyone 00:21:45.029 --> 00:21:47.569 in a room suddenly felt ill despite having eaten 00:21:47.569 --> 00:21:49.930 in different places earlier that day another 00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:52.329 group gathering for an investigation at 4am reported 00:21:52.329 --> 00:21:55.109 a sudden change in atmosphere a mysterious citrus 00:21:55.109 --> 00:21:57.549 scent began to walk through the dark room only 00:21:57.549 --> 00:21:59.670 for them to discover the source was a cleaner 00:21:59.670 --> 00:22:03.289 mopping the next door proof that not every eerie 00:22:03.289 --> 00:22:04.769 occurrence can be attributed the paranormal. 00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:07.430 They were cleaning upstairs and they could smell 00:22:07.430 --> 00:22:09.809 it. What a weird note to put in there because 00:22:09.809 --> 00:22:12.390 it's not ghostly at all. There is a cleaner there, 00:22:12.390 --> 00:22:15.089 okay? Not there, above them, which they didn't 00:22:15.089 --> 00:22:17.710 know. Yeah, there are more unsettling feelings 00:22:17.710 --> 00:22:19.910 that cannot be easily explained. Many visitors, 00:22:20.089 --> 00:22:22.609 including seasoned ghost hunters, report no overwhelming 00:22:22.609 --> 00:22:25.450 sense of unease while inside the vault, finding 00:22:25.450 --> 00:22:27.509 they can only tolerate the oppressive atmosphere 00:22:27.509 --> 00:22:29.930 for a short period. Some have spoken of a deep 00:22:29.930 --> 00:22:32.289 instinct to flee as if the very walls themselves 00:22:32.289 --> 00:22:34.670 are closing in. One of the most chilling explorations 00:22:34.670 --> 00:22:37.190 of the vault was featured in the popular TV show 00:22:37.190 --> 00:22:40.109 Most Haunted in 2003. Presenter Yvette Fielding 00:22:40.109 --> 00:22:42.430 and her team, including psychic medium Derek 00:22:42.430 --> 00:22:44.609 Acora, descended into the vault, armed with night 00:22:44.609 --> 00:22:46.890 vision cameras and an open mind. The episode, 00:22:46.970 --> 00:22:49.609 part of the show's third series, is now legendary 00:22:49.609 --> 00:22:52.150 for the eerie encounters it documented. Acora 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:55.029 quickly sensed the presence of spirits. The team 00:22:55.029 --> 00:22:57.329 experienced unexplained noises, footsteps, and 00:22:57.329 --> 00:22:59.650 even a chilling whistling sound that seemed to 00:22:59.650 --> 00:23:02.329 come from nowhere. I'm getting the exact same 00:23:02.329 --> 00:23:05.240 description. from this tunnel as the Portland 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.279 tunnel. Creepy hands, a guy yelling his name, 00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:10.859 although we did just add the name yelling, and 00:23:10.859 --> 00:23:13.799 really handsy ghosts. These are the same place. 00:23:14.019 --> 00:23:16.579 Yeah, it's a tunnel thing I'm starting to think. 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.700 And these things actually look so creepy. Like 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:24.079 it looks like compartments under Edinburgh. Like 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:26.559 it's super weird. Yeah, they're very aptly named 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:28.519 the vaults. And then if you look at some of the 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.160 pictures, they look like some of them have freaking 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:36.960 like jail. By the end of the night, the crew 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.019 was more than ready to leave, declaring Edinburgh 00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:41.059 Vaults one of the most unnerving locations they'd 00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:43.299 ever investigated. The rediscovery of the Edinburgh 00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:45.619 Vaults has unearthed more than just hidden chambers. 00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:47.740 It has opened a portal to the past, revealing 00:23:47.740 --> 00:23:50.940 a darker, more often forgotten side of Edinburgh's 00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:53.259 history. These vaults, very deep beneath the 00:23:53.259 --> 00:23:55.240 city's cobbled streets, are a tangible reminder 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.440 of the desperate and destitute who once called 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.599 them home. Today, the vaults serve as a chilling 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.500 attraction for those seeking a bri - with the 00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:03.779 supernatural. Ghost tours regularly wind their 00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:05.619 way through corridors with guides recounting 00:24:05.619 --> 00:24:07.819 tales of paranormal sightings and unexplained 00:24:07.819 --> 00:24:11.279 phenomena. Companies like all Greeky Tours offer, 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.160 you know, they gotta pay us to say this, I'm 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.660 taking that out. Meanwhile, The Vault also doubles 00:24:16.660 --> 00:24:19.160 the unique event space, posting everything from 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.259 plays and performances to private gatherings, 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.680 adding another layer to the eerie charm. So another 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.640 place that has an identical situation. Creepy 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:31.569 nonetheless. Very. looking at them as part of 00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:33.950 the creepiness too. People in the 1800s, they 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.430 had to have known they were making it look haunted 00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:40.230 at that time. You had to have been aware that 00:24:40.230 --> 00:24:43.970 this was like a creepy place to be. They weren't 00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:46.890 just oblivious to it, do you think? It had to 00:24:46.890 --> 00:24:50.049 come up over one of the 15 whiskies that you 00:24:50.049 --> 00:24:52.940 drank within a day. which is like the minimum 00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:55.220 limit that you had to drink in the 1800s when 00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:57.539 you were designing things. If Mad Men's anything 00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:01.099 to be extrapolated from. Okay, so we're of the 00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:04.039 consensus that yes, they did know it was creepy. 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.779 Oh, they had to. there they had to have they 00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:09.099 were negligent designers that they did not know 00:25:09.099 --> 00:25:11.220 do you think they liked being down there they 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.079 had stores down there they like like going shopping 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.400 down there and i look at them like this is not 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.859 a shopping place they didn't like going down 00:25:18.859 --> 00:25:21.299 there they liked their workers being down there 00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:24.700 i think was the beginning oh okay Okay. They 00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:26.920 thought they were quaint little places for the 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.480 people who wanted to work work. Okay. I get it 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.240 now. They just so happened to doom them all to 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.339 a haunted life in the like not too distant future. 00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:38.319 And that helps us have a podcast today to talk 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.200 about things. Yeah. So thank you for that guys. 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.619 Your whiskey riddled corpses and therefore ghosts 00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.500 are thanked. We're very thankful for you. Thank 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:48.559 you, Sam. The next place we're going to talk 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.220 about is something that we probably should have 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:54.480 talked about at some point in the last four years, 00:25:54.579 --> 00:25:57.220 and we're only going to very vaguely touch on 00:25:57.220 --> 00:26:00.420 it. And that is Denver International Airport. 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.259 Okay. I was like, they're haunted tunnels, but 00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.180 okay, it's just tunnels in general. Tunnels in 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:09.220 general, and we're moving away from the ghosty 00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:12.750 bits now we're moving into the UFO bit now. the 00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:16.170 variety in this episode. When Denver International 00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:19.269 Airport, DIA, opened in 1995, few could have 00:26:19.269 --> 00:26:21.470 predicted it would become a magnet for conspiracy 00:26:21.470 --> 00:26:23.549 theories that it became to this day, which is 00:26:23.549 --> 00:26:26.390 also why I think that we haven't touched on it 00:26:26.390 --> 00:26:29.309 because it is so widely known. Yeah. Have you 00:26:29.309 --> 00:26:31.890 been there? No, but I've seen so many documentaries 00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:35.089 on it. I don't. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I never even. 00:26:35.190 --> 00:26:37.569 They've embraced it so much now. Yeah, they've 00:26:37.569 --> 00:26:40.750 embraced it so much. Why not? Like it stops conspiracies 00:26:40.750 --> 00:26:44.230 by being two main It really does. Yeah. Yet its 00:26:44.230 --> 00:26:46.769 combination of artwork, mysterious construction 00:26:46.769 --> 00:26:48.890 elements, and vast underground infrastructure, 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:50.630 which is the part we're going to be talking about, 00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:52.869 has made it a focal point for speculation about 00:26:52.869 --> 00:26:55.430 subterranean secrets. Conspiracy theorists point 00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:58.250 to several unusual features to the airport. Its 00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:00.829 dedication capstone bears Masonic symbols and 00:27:00.829 --> 00:27:03.730 mentions the New World Airport Commission, a 00:27:03.730 --> 00:27:06.250 name suspiciously similar to the New World Order, 00:27:06.529 --> 00:27:08.190 referenced in many conspiracy theories. Well, 00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:09.970 that's suspicious. Meral throughout the terminals 00:27:09.970 --> 00:27:13.299 depict a pos - that some interpret as predictions 00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:16.059 of future devastation. Even the runway layout 00:27:16.059 --> 00:27:18.099 has drawn scrutiny, which claims that it resembles 00:27:18.099 --> 00:27:22.440 a swastika when viewed from above. Beneath the 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.980 terminal lies an extensive network of tunnels, 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.599 which were originally built for an automated 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.839 baggage system that famously failed. These tunnels, 00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:32.619 along with the underground trains that carry 00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:35.220 passengers between the concourses, provided the 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:37.680 infrastructure for theories about deeper, more 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.750 secretive levels beneath. Stacey Stechman, the 00:27:40.750 --> 00:27:42.829 airport's senior vice president of communication 00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:45.049 has addressed these series directly. Quote, we 00:27:45.049 --> 00:27:47.470 served almost 78 million passengers here. Do 00:27:47.470 --> 00:27:49.809 people think we can hide secret bunkers and alien 00:27:49.809 --> 00:27:52.549 testing from them as well as the 40 ,000 people 00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:55.130 who work here? That's pretty brilliant if we 00:27:55.130 --> 00:27:57.630 could, end quote. And that's the tongue in cheek 00:27:57.630 --> 00:27:59.690 side that they've taken with this as the conspiracy 00:27:59.690 --> 00:28:02.049 is just kind of approaching them head on. Which 00:28:02.049 --> 00:28:04.710 frankly, not enough things do that. I feel like 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:07.029 you could belittle conspiracy theorists completely 00:28:07.029 --> 00:28:09.410 out of it if you jokingly address their issues. 00:28:09.710 --> 00:28:13.210 Yes, exactly. I mean, you look at a lot of conspiracy 00:28:13.210 --> 00:28:15.710 theories and they just don't address it. Yeah. 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:18.089 I mean, I could and that's how it grows. And 00:28:18.089 --> 00:28:20.470 that exactly. But I'm not going to lie. Like 00:28:20.470 --> 00:28:23.329 why you make him run ways in the shape of swastikas. 00:28:23.390 --> 00:28:26.569 Like that's not normal. I know. And seriously, 00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:30.349 the fact that like it is a very extensive underground 00:28:30.349 --> 00:28:33.470 tunnels that they put in here that kind of are 00:28:33.470 --> 00:28:35.009 unaddressed because they didn't actually end 00:28:35.009 --> 00:28:37.390 up getting used for what they were supposed to 00:28:37.390 --> 00:28:40.880 be used for. Yeah. time like okay I get it you 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.359 tried to do something state -of -the -art and 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.440 it didn't work okay fair enough fair enough but 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.119 what's down there now gotta be people like touching 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.299 you and pulling on your shirts and like saying 00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:52.160 their name probably just I mean for yeah for 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.240 the loving touching this you got to yell your 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.420 name yeah yeah exactly that's the rule unlike 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:00.460 most targets of conspiracy theories DIA has embraced 00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.099 reputations and even installing a talking animatronic 00:29:03.099 --> 00:29:05.599 gargoyle that jokes with passengers about the 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.960 rumors this playful approach has paradoxically 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:28.039 fueled I haven't heard from it a long time. That 00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.400 probably doesn't mean just because I'm not paying 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.819 attention to it that it doesn't still exist. 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.019 But seriously, what's up with this gargoyle? 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.380 Is that not really weird? And you will see this 00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:41.980 connected with blizzard people, UFOs, with alien 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:43.619 transport. I don't know for sure. I couldn't 00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:46.279 find anything of him doing that. Like that gargoyle 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.240 has like completely discredited the entire conspiracies 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.160 around this airport. The gargoyle and the PR 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.960 team in whole. I mean, bravo to the PR team. 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.779 That is pretty awesome. I want to know like what 00:29:58.779 --> 00:30:01.740 he jokes about. That is so funny. I love it. 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:04.099 Maybe we can put it in if we can find it. Like 00:30:04.099 --> 00:30:07.190 I said, I'm keeping it vague on the Denver International 00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:09.730 Airport, that's all I have on it. It might have 00:30:09.730 --> 00:30:12.549 a whole episode on it in the future. And I particularly 00:30:12.549 --> 00:30:15.670 want to look at it as like how it was able to 00:30:15.670 --> 00:30:18.569 successfully quash conspiracies. I think it is 00:30:18.569 --> 00:30:21.289 a very interesting case study to look at, but 00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.230 that's what we're looking at it right now. Are 00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:25.650 you following that though? Like, would you know 00:30:25.650 --> 00:30:28.950 that it adopts the conspiracy theories? I look 00:30:28.950 --> 00:30:32.230 at conspiracy websites and this whole topic in 00:30:32.230 --> 00:30:34.690 general. I don't Google Denver International 00:30:34.690 --> 00:30:38.089 Airport that often, but But like, I'm part of 00:30:38.089 --> 00:30:39.869 the conspiracy community said it doesn't come 00:30:39.869 --> 00:30:42.410 up anymore. And it, everything was about it 10 00:30:42.410 --> 00:30:45.049 years ago. That's true. I will, I will agree 00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:46.809 with you on that actually now that I'm thinking 00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:48.710 about it. Cause I was like, where would I see 00:30:48.710 --> 00:30:52.269 it? But I am on conspiracy Reddit threads and 00:30:52.269 --> 00:30:53.529 where else are you going to see it if you're 00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:55.450 not seeing it on Reddit? Yeah. And I don't go 00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:57.490 on TikTok. Maybe it's on TikTok. Maybe I got 00:30:57.490 --> 00:30:59.410 to take a look around there, but you're right. 00:30:59.569 --> 00:31:01.609 Okay. I agree with you now. Next place we're 00:31:01.609 --> 00:31:04.349 looking at area 51. There's underground tunnels 00:31:04.349 --> 00:31:07.599 there. Yes, potentially. Oh no, are there gray 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.630 fingers in these tunnels? I don't know why, but 00:31:11.630 --> 00:31:13.970 they're creepier than human fingers. What was 00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:17.329 his name? The visitor from Serpo. EB1 or EB2? 00:31:17.490 --> 00:31:19.390 Yeah. Do you think he's yelling that and touching 00:31:19.390 --> 00:31:22.609 you? Yeah, probably. Because he died too, probably 00:31:22.609 --> 00:31:25.190 in these very same tunnels. Yeah, he could be 00:31:25.190 --> 00:31:27.970 a ghost there, were them likely. Yeah. No, I 00:31:27.970 --> 00:31:29.789 don't want gray fingers. I have more to this 00:31:29.789 --> 00:31:31.869 part of the episode than just us speculating 00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:35.450 about EBs. Or even, god, I can't remember. We 00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:37.390 need to do another episode on these guys. I love 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.009 those guys so much. Serpo. No discussion of a 00:31:40.009 --> 00:31:41.809 - alleged alien facilities would be complete 00:31:41.809 --> 00:31:44.029 without mentioning Area 51. The classified U 00:31:44.029 --> 00:31:47.410 .S. Air Force base in Nevada, U .S. has become 00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:49.630 synonymous with government UFO secrecy. Though 00:31:49.630 --> 00:31:51.869 its existence was only officially acknowledged 00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:54.329 in 2013 following a Freedom of Information Act 00:31:54.329 --> 00:31:56.809 request, Area 51 has basically been the subject 00:31:56.809 --> 00:31:59.789 of speculation and rumors since the 50s. I think, 00:31:59.890 --> 00:32:03.369 nah, probably 70s, but a long time. Yeah. The 00:32:03.369 --> 00:32:06.049 documented secrecy surrounding the base including 00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:08.450 restricted airspace, armed guards, and the use 00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:11.319 of deadly force. authorized, warnings provided 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.700 fertile grounds for theories about what might 00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:15.839 be happening not just on the surface but beneath 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.420 it. Locals have reported seeing convoys of military 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:20.859 vehicles disappearing near the base, fueling 00:32:20.859 --> 00:32:23.460 speculation about an entrance to vast underground 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:26.180 tunnel networks. Mining expert Christian Gronau, 00:32:26.420 --> 00:32:29.240 who works in the region, suggested Area 51's 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.799 most sensitive operations have moved underground 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.259 in the 70s. Quote, Area 51, what you see like 00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.920 on Google imagery, that was the 50s, 60s, and 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.839 70s. Since then, they've gone everything they 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.259 do is underground." End quote. Grown -out and 00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:44.759 others propose that the massive amount of excavated 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.160 materials from these alleged underground expansions 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.660 is disguised through heap leaching at nearby 00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:52.339 mines. This process, which uses mercury and cyanide 00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:54.559 to break down ore into slurry that can be pumped 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.140 away, would theoretically allow the disposal 00:32:57.140 --> 00:32:59.680 of thousands of tons of excavated rock without 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.039 obvious surface evidence. The speculation about 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.619 Area 51's underground component intersects with 00:33:05.619 --> 00:33:07.660 the persistent claims about recovered aliens. 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.099 spacecrafts and bodies, particularly with the 00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:13.259 alleged 1947 Roswell incident, which for the 00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:14.539 sake of it, we're just going to pretend that 00:33:14.539 --> 00:33:17.000 we believe at this point. Go look back on our 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.319 actual beliefs of Roswell from there. Interesting 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.599 take that we're taking on this one. It's very 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.640 shocking. The theory holds that materials were 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.119 transported to Area 51 for study and reverse 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.420 engineering, and with the most sensitive work 00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:32.559 occurring in deep subterranean labs shielded 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.700 from both radiation and surveillance. While the 00:33:34.700 --> 00:33:36.920 US government has acknowledged that Area 51 was 00:33:36.809 --> 00:33:39.170 was used to develop secret aircrafts like the 00:33:39.170 --> 00:33:41.829 U -2 spy plane and the SR -71 Blackbird, explaining 00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:43.769 many of the UFO sightings in that area, it has 00:33:43.769 --> 00:33:45.690 never addressed claims about underground facilities 00:33:45.690 --> 00:33:48.289 or alien technology. This official silence, combined 00:33:48.289 --> 00:33:51.029 with base's remote location and extreme security 00:33:51.029 --> 00:33:53.410 measures, ensures that Area 51 remains a blank 00:33:53.410 --> 00:33:55.630 slate onto which theories about the underground 00:33:55.630 --> 00:33:57.950 -alien collaborations continue to object. The 00:33:57.950 --> 00:34:00.309 combination of verified secrecy and persistent 00:34:00.309 --> 00:34:02.789 witness accounts create an enduring mystery, 00:34:02.890 --> 00:34:05.029 while skeptics note that the logistics of maintaining 00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:07.289 both secrecy and life's for extensive underground 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:10.070 facilities would be enormously challenging. Believers 00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.250 counter that the technological capabilities of 00:34:12.250 --> 00:34:14.070 the US military, particularly with potential 00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:16.130 alien assistance, would overcome these obstacles. 00:34:16.170 --> 00:34:18.429 Without definitive evidence, either way, Area 00:34:18.429 --> 00:34:21.150 51's underground secret remained tantalizing, 00:34:21.309 --> 00:34:23.230 yet out of reach. There are people that we could 00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:25.590 look at who report to have worked at Area 51 00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:28.230 too, including Bob Lazar, who do talk about the 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:30.289 underground facilities. Interesting. I've never 00:34:30.289 --> 00:34:32.750 heard that before. I don't think, maybe I have. 00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:35.349 And two, we could have included Dulce in the 00:34:35.349 --> 00:34:38.320 - as well, but we have clearly talked about the 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.840 Dulce Tunnels, the deep underground military 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.000 base there, so we don't need to worry about that 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.159 one. Yeah, don't worry about it. That's our stance. 00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:47.900 Now, Chelsea, those are the alien tunnels that 00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:49.639 we're going to be talking about. Next up, we're 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:51.199 going to be talking about ancient tunnels that 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.300 are just weird. Okay. Have we not talked about 00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:57.400 that yet? Different. kinds of weird. Okay, I'm 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.079 looking forward to finding the distinction between 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.980 the two. We're just gonna go to the Erdstahl 00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:03.800 tunnels from here, Chelsea. Okay, I've never 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.679 heard of that. These ones are so weird. I know 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.320 you say never heard of it, but it is not one 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.920 thing in particular. The Erdstahl tunnels are 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:15.059 unexplained passages numbering in the thousands 00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:17.519 are located in a mix of European countries. There 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.280 are 2000 known Erdstahl tunnels throughout Europe 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.539 with the highest concentration being Bavaria 00:35:23.539 --> 00:35:26.739 with 700 of them. and Austria having 500 of them. 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:29.320 They have also been found in France and Great 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.800 Britain. Researchers are at a loss of their origins. 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.659 There are countless earthen tunnel systems around 00:35:34.659 --> 00:35:36.659 the world, but a few features distinguish earth 00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:38.559 cell tunnels. The term earth cell is German, 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.960 loosely translating to earth stable or a mining 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.139 tunnel. The label has come to be associated with 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.659 a very specific variety of human -made subterranean 00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:48.139 passages. An earth cell system is made up of 00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:50.639 narrow tunnels that have been carved into a smooth 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.900 ovular shape aligned either vertically or horizontally. 00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:56.739 The passages tend to be notably tight, measuring 00:35:56.739 --> 00:36:00.059 only a few feet tall by a few feet wide. Some 00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:02.099 of the discovered ursal tunnels contain crude 00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:04.599 structures in their terminus that could have 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.900 been benches. although who would have waited 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:09.519 to sit there in the dark is unknown. Another 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.500 aspect of the tunnels are choke points called 00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:14.420 schlups or slipouts. These uncomfortably tight 00:36:14.420 --> 00:36:17.320 holes would act as a transition point between 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.019 portions of the passages dug at a higher or lower 00:36:20.019 --> 00:36:22.380 elevation, requiring anyone passing through to 00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:24.820 contort and squeeze their way by. Ritzel tunnels 00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:27.599 are also notable for having only one point of 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.860 entry and exit, usually tucked away in the footprints 00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:32.559 of old settlements or even hidden in the wilderness. 00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:35.289 The feature made the airflow through the nearly 00:36:35.289 --> 00:36:37.289 non -existent. This feature made the air flow 00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:38.369 through the tunnel nearly non -existent. The 00:36:38.369 --> 00:36:40.210 single most common trait among Earth's little 00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:42.789 tunnels is a sense of mystery. While it is likely 00:36:42.789 --> 00:36:44.750 that such tunnels were created in the Middle 00:36:44.750 --> 00:36:47.670 Ages, as far back as the 12th century, the complete 00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:49.969 lack of archaeological signifiers found in the 00:36:49.969 --> 00:36:52.110 barren underground passages make them difficult 00:36:52.110 --> 00:36:54.570 to date. In addition, the historical records 00:36:54.570 --> 00:36:57.329 do not contain any known account of the tunnels' 00:36:57.610 --> 00:36:59.530 construction. Given their strange appearances 00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:02.210 and even odder lack of artifacts, no small amount 00:37:02.210 --> 00:37:04.340 of specular guarding the use and purposes of 00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:07.659 these tunnels. In 2011, an article in Der Spiegel 00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:09.519 that sparked a rush of online interest in the 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.139 Erdstil tunnels sparked a rush of online interest 00:37:14.139 --> 00:37:16.340 in the Erdstil tunnels. A number of possible 00:37:16.340 --> 00:37:18.300 meetings were put forth. One theory is that the 00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.300 tunnels were used for storage, but the narrow 00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:23.300 slip passages and the fact that many of them 00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:25.460 lie below the waterline and occasionally fill 00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:28.619 with water make this seem largely impractical. 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.940 Another popular explanation championed in the 00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:33.969 article by Erdstil researcher Joseph Weischenberger 00:37:33.969 --> 00:37:36.449 described the tunnels as essential hiding places 00:37:36.449 --> 00:37:39.190 for tribes. In Weischenberger's view, the peasant 00:37:39.190 --> 00:37:42.429 carvers of the Erdsel Passages would take temporary 00:37:42.429 --> 00:37:44.570 shelter in the tunnels along with their valuables, 00:37:44.630 --> 00:37:46.750 allowing the rampaging whores to pass overhead. 00:37:46.949 --> 00:37:49.690 The slip -outs separating the chambers, Weischenberger 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.750 said, were put in place to trap oxygen in each 00:37:52.750 --> 00:37:55.389 section so people could move deeper as the oxygen 00:37:55.389 --> 00:37:58.110 in their chamber depleted. The tunnels as defense 00:37:58.110 --> 00:38:00.250 explanation is problematic, not just because 00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:03.210 the Erdsel Passages are also so claustrophobic, 00:38:03.349 --> 00:38:05.250 even if they were used as temporary shelters, 00:38:05.550 --> 00:38:07.530 the ability to cut off the air supply to the 00:38:07.530 --> 00:38:10.090 entire system via the single entrance makes the 00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:13.050 proposition extremely dangerous, but not impossible. 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:15.889 While Weichensberger had rejected the idea that 00:38:15.889 --> 00:38:17.929 the tunnel had a spiritual purpose, given the 00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:20.010 lack of records pertaining to the creation of 00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:22.269 the aerosol systems, it seems like they could 00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:25.170 have been almost anything. Dr. Spiegel says that 00:38:25.170 --> 00:38:28.230 they might have been created as way stations 00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:30.650 for the souls of the deceased or even hideouts 00:38:30.650 --> 00:38:32.489 for demons and dark souls. spirits. Explorers 00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:35.070 suggest that they were built by goblins. Conversely, 00:38:35.289 --> 00:38:37.769 the tight slip -outs also have been likened to 00:38:37.769 --> 00:38:40.150 symbolic birth canals, with the implications 00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:42.369 that the ursel tunnels may have served as locations 00:38:42.369 --> 00:38:44.769 for ceremonial rebirth, in which people attempted 00:38:44.769 --> 00:38:47.409 to slew off disease and sickness as they squeezed 00:38:47.409 --> 00:38:49.389 through the tight openings. While the ursels 00:38:49.389 --> 00:38:51.650 seem reluctant to give up their secrets anytime 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:54.250 soon, a collection of researchers known as the 00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:56.349 Working Group for Ursel Research continue to 00:38:56.349 --> 00:38:58.469 search for answers. They are committed to finding 00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:00.949 the truth behind the strange tunnels and have 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.519 been sharing their findings at annual meetings 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.039 using new techniques such as 3d surveying and 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.280 can you two hypothesize about the original purpose 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.960 of these tunnels the list of possible intended 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.639 uses continues to grow and Chelsea that's where 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.659 I end this episode interesting I'd never heard 00:39:16.659 --> 00:39:19.599 of these ones before and they are like everywhere 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.440 why would through different cultures and that's 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.340 the weird part you have to have an explanation 00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:26.900 for all of Europe basically as to why they were 00:39:26.900 --> 00:39:29.800 building these just in one location it doesn't 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.260 give you an answer. No, it would have to be particularly 00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:35.760 like one weird culture you can't answer it with. 00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:38.159 It has to be an entire like European thing. Yeah, 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.619 but it could have been like an empire that was 00:39:41.619 --> 00:39:43.639 going through, right? Well, it could have been, 00:39:43.699 --> 00:39:46.789 but we know about empires. Like we know all the 00:39:46.789 --> 00:39:48.750 empires, especially in like the 12th century. 00:39:48.989 --> 00:39:51.030 Like it's not that long ago that we have lost 00:39:51.030 --> 00:39:54.210 civilizations. That one's weird to me, actually. 00:39:54.389 --> 00:39:56.630 That one. No, I don't even know what to say about 00:39:56.630 --> 00:39:59.050 it. It is truly weird. And I actually want to 00:39:59.050 --> 00:40:01.289 learn more about them. Yeah. That's basically 00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:03.809 all you can find on them. I googled them. They 00:40:03.809 --> 00:40:07.110 have enough room for a person in it. So obviously 00:40:07.110 --> 00:40:09.409 they were used. But like just a person. Yeah. 00:40:09.429 --> 00:40:12.150 That's it. Yeah. And like you can't be comfortable 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:13.889 in there either. Like they're not tall enough 00:40:13.889 --> 00:40:16.130 for you to be comfortable. very thin, especially 00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:18.469 going down to the lower level. I do not envy 00:40:18.469 --> 00:40:21.949 those who are looking at those. No, but definitely 00:40:21.949 --> 00:40:23.949 you could do it. And they can extend for miles. 00:40:24.309 --> 00:40:26.409 Yeah, this is great. I mean, I wouldn't go down 00:40:26.409 --> 00:40:30.349 there. No, like, yes, I do the Ember ones. Not 00:40:30.349 --> 00:40:33.030 these ones. I would not. This is like a caver 00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:35.409 type thing. Like if you want to get stuck in 00:40:35.409 --> 00:40:37.789 there. Oh, this one's real tiny. This guy's crawling 00:40:37.789 --> 00:40:40.750 through it. Oh, yeah. Some of them can be absolutely 00:40:40.750 --> 00:40:43.440 tiny. yeah they're not so weird i shouldn't say 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.980 they all are identical but they all kind of meet 00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:49.239 the same parameters hmm i wonder if it was mining 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.179 or something they're looking no they wouldn't 00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:53.420 connect them no and there would be evidence of 00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:56.059 like mining like people would have like had documentation 00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:58.099 for paying for or something like that yeah that's 00:40:58.099 --> 00:41:01.039 so weird hmm i don't know maybe it's like some 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.440 ancient mole that inhabited europe that we don't 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.139 know you know what that would be my favorite 00:41:05.139 --> 00:41:07.480 explanation if it was an ancient mole that would 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.179 be really cool with that that's our answer we're 00:41:10.179 --> 00:41:12.210 leaving it with that. 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