WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:28.839 us on a Journey to the Fringe. We are your podcast 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.120 hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. Here today following 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.439 up on a two -parter which Chelsea has informed 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:35.759 me she does not remember any of the first half 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.320 of. Hey, why do you want me to be like that? 00:00:38.420 --> 00:00:41.840 That's not fair. It lets the audience know that 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.119 we are being honest with them and not deceiving 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:45.159 them in any way. And also that they're not alone. 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:47.979 Possibly, unless they're listening to this back 00:00:47.979 --> 00:00:50.920 -to -back, then boy do you have a problem. Especially 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:53.079 if you don't remember the first half. Anyhow, 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.679 Chelsea, what do you remember about the golf 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.179 breeze incident and Ed Walters? Right, okay, 00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:04.400 there's a guy in Florida. Running for mayor. 00:01:05.099 --> 00:01:07.700 Running for mayor. Yep, thank you for the hint. 00:01:07.780 --> 00:01:10.959 And he was making models and taking pictures 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.040 of them like Billy Meyer. But this guy did have 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:16.319 two arms. I do remember that. This guy had two 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.980 arms and he was using a schoolboy in the area 00:01:18.980 --> 00:01:21.780 who happened to be the mayoral candidate against 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:25.099 him son. Okay, it's all coming back to me. I'm 00:01:25.099 --> 00:01:27.439 not right there with you, but I do remember. 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.980 So this story is unrelated to that story pretty 00:01:31.980 --> 00:01:34.769 much. Oh, man, why'd you set me up like that? 00:01:34.950 --> 00:01:37.129 But it's adjacent to it, Chelsea, because it 00:01:37.129 --> 00:01:39.950 takes place in Gulf Breeze. OK. And it's right 00:01:39.950 --> 00:01:42.370 around this time. Because of all the shit going 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:46.769 on with Ed Walters, MUFON decides after the shit 00:01:46.769 --> 00:01:51.730 show that is the Bill Moore 1989 MUFON symposium, 00:01:51.909 --> 00:01:53.689 they need something that's a little more just 00:01:53.689 --> 00:01:56.609 like a slam dunk. Right. That was bad. So they're 00:01:56.609 --> 00:01:59.769 like, I know what we're going to do. 1990, we're 00:01:59.769 --> 00:02:03.129 going to do the MUFON symposium. in Golf Breeze. 00:02:03.269 --> 00:02:05.170 Because of this guy? They couldn't have found 00:02:05.170 --> 00:02:07.709 anything better. Almost exclusively because of 00:02:07.709 --> 00:02:11.210 this guy. This is the best they had. Okay. Which, 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:14.849 coincidentally enough, is right around the time 00:02:14.849 --> 00:02:18.810 that the Golf Breeze 6 are arrested. And that's 00:02:18.810 --> 00:02:21.729 what this episode is, is the Golf Breeze 6. I'm 00:02:21.729 --> 00:02:25.129 just gonna be honest here. Should I know who 00:02:25.129 --> 00:02:27.110 that is? You should have no idea who the Golf 00:02:27.110 --> 00:02:30.289 Breeze 6 are, Chelsea. Phew! That's why we're 00:02:30.289 --> 00:02:33.419 doing this episode. Great! This is fantastic 00:02:33.419 --> 00:02:36.780 news to me! that I did not have any prior knowledge 00:02:36.780 --> 00:02:39.379 of this. Now, I am just going to put it out front. 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.919 There's not a lot written about the Golf Breeze 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.659 6. There's basically a pretty terrible Wikipedia 00:02:44.659 --> 00:02:47.479 article on it. There is one person who did a 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.960 fairly good summarization of what happened and 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.680 a bit of research into it. The author is Jack 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.199 Brewer, who wrote this on February 12th, 2017. 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.460 Falcon. He seemed real good and knowledgeable. 00:03:02.020 --> 00:03:05.580 And honest. No, it's Jack Brewer. He wrote the 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:08.080 article revisiting the Golf Breeze 6 on February 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.879 12 2017 on his blog the UFO trail So we're gonna 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.560 be reading a lot from this because he did some 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.259 great research on it. Nice. We appreciate you 00:03:17.259 --> 00:03:19.560 Just to start this off just so you have an idea 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.560 what we're talking about the Golf Breeze 6 Michael 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.639 Kwekstad, Chris Perloch, William Sederberg, Vance 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:30.900 Davis, Kenneth Beeson and Annette Eccleston were 00:03:30.900 --> 00:03:33.949 declared absent without leave, which is AWOL 00:03:33.949 --> 00:03:36.909 from their base in Augsburg, Germany on July 00:03:36.909 --> 00:03:40.270 9th, 1990. You mentioned this in the last one. 00:03:40.270 --> 00:03:41.969 Sorry, and this was West Germany at the time, 00:03:41.969 --> 00:03:43.930 not Germany. What does this have anything to 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:47.469 do with? They are arrested five days later in 00:03:47.469 --> 00:03:50.770 Gulf Breeze, Florida. All six were military intelligence 00:03:50.770 --> 00:03:53.930 analysts who had trained together at Corey Station. 00:03:54.050 --> 00:03:56.289 From there, just so you have an idea of what 00:03:56.289 --> 00:03:58.930 the Gulf Breeze six were, just the general one 00:03:58.930 --> 00:04:01.349 on that, weirdly, right around the time of the 00:04:01.349 --> 00:04:03.689 Mufon thing going on. They're arrested in Gulf 00:04:03.689 --> 00:04:07.310 Breeze. So the Mufon thing is the symposium that's 00:04:07.310 --> 00:04:10.949 happening based on what's his... Ed Walters. 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.500 Ed Walters, and now we know who exactly the six 00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:16.819 are. What the fu - I'm so like, what's gonna 00:04:16.819 --> 00:04:19.319 happen? Okay, tell us. This is a wild story, 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.360 Chelsea. I can't even begin to think about what 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.759 this is gonna be. Because of Ed Walters, the 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.980 Florida community of Golf Breeze gained global 00:04:26.980 --> 00:04:29.120 attention. As a result of this, Golf Breeze was 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.480 the site of the 1990 annual Mufon Symposium, 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.920 just a year after Bill Moore cannonballed his 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.000 Mufon Symposium. Six Army Intelligence Analysts 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.939 were serving in the 701st Military Intelligence 00:04:39.939 --> 00:04:43.620 Brigade in Aug - the largest NSA base in the 00:04:43.620 --> 00:04:45.300 world outside of the United States at the time. 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.819 Each member of the group held a top security 00:04:47.819 --> 00:04:50.480 clearance. They began conducting meetings consisting 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:53.699 of Ouija board sessions and explorations of non 00:04:53.699 --> 00:04:55.860 -ordinary states of consciousness, and they claimed 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:57.699 to think that they were communicating with spirits 00:04:57.699 --> 00:05:00.180 and religious icons, including the Virgin Mary, 00:05:00.379 --> 00:05:03.319 during these meetings. The six apparently perceived 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.600 they were provided prophecies and interpreted 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.220 the predictions to be coming to pass, leading 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:10.600 them to increasingly trust the means of communication 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.680 and alleged entities. Members of the group had 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.040 lifelong interests in paranormal subject matter, 00:05:16.339 --> 00:05:18.699 including one, Vance Davis, who as a teenager 00:05:18.699 --> 00:05:21.839 took a course in Silva mind control, and another, 00:05:21.980 --> 00:05:25.759 Kenneth Beeson, who dabbled in hypnosis and reportedly 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.660 was interested in UFOs. They reportedly went 00:05:28.660 --> 00:05:31.579 over the proverbial wall in early July 1990 after 00:05:31.579 --> 00:05:33.959 giving away some belongings ceremoniously burning 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.589 their records and books. Another figure is a 00:05:36.589 --> 00:05:39.709 self -described psychic, Anna Foster, who Perlach 00:05:39.709 --> 00:05:43.089 met while in cryptology training in Pensacola 00:05:43.089 --> 00:05:45.689 prior to shipping off to Europe. Foster apparently 00:05:45.689 --> 00:05:48.089 also befriended Beeson when he was stationed 00:05:48.089 --> 00:05:51.009 in Pensacola. All but Eccleston, the lone female 00:05:51.009 --> 00:05:52.810 of the six soldiers, were reportedly staying 00:05:52.810 --> 00:05:55.949 at Foster's apartment while absent without official 00:05:55.949 --> 00:05:59.350 leave. Eccleston was apprehended at a cab site 00:05:59.350 --> 00:06:02.329 at nearby Fort Pickens for whatever reasons. 00:06:02.470 --> 00:06:04.509 The group's beliefs and motives are going AWOL, 00:06:04.589 --> 00:06:07.110 somewhat unclear, but were at least partially 00:06:07.110 --> 00:06:10.889 represented to include a desire to deliver information 00:06:10.889 --> 00:06:13.250 as provided by the mysterious entities to the 00:06:13.250 --> 00:06:15.509 U .S. President. It should not be completely 00:06:15.509 --> 00:06:17.410 surprising that some of the confusion was due 00:06:17.410 --> 00:06:19.730 to the content of statements originating from 00:06:19.730 --> 00:06:21.829 the Pentagon and spokespersons after the tension 00:06:21.829 --> 00:06:24.129 of the Six that later redacted through official 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:26.589 channels or denied altogether by the four soldiers. 00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:28.649 Also adding to the confusion were statements 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:30.670 by members of the Gulf Free Six, which at times 00:06:30.670 --> 00:06:33.750 seemed to be unclear if not lacking logic. What's 00:06:33.750 --> 00:06:36.720 more, or some of the acquaintances, were quoted 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.839 in the media as saddling them with remarks and 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.899 beliefs that they later denied. Ideologies attributed 00:06:41.899 --> 00:06:44.639 to the group included a forthcoming rapture, 00:06:44.980 --> 00:06:47.680 alien spaceships frequenting Gulf Breeze, a UFO 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.509 cover -up conducted by the US government, A plot 00:06:50.509 --> 00:06:54.009 to thwart the Antichrist, significant malevolent 00:06:54.009 --> 00:06:57.470 forces operating covertly within the US government, 00:06:57.750 --> 00:07:00.569 and similar mindsets arguably being found with 00:07:00.569 --> 00:07:02.509 increasing frequency among members of the UFO 00:07:02.509 --> 00:07:05.189 community and related genres. Some of the police 00:07:05.189 --> 00:07:07.790 are later defended by Vance Davis and his peers 00:07:07.790 --> 00:07:10.069 while others were dismissed as rumors. Anyway 00:07:10.069 --> 00:07:12.569 you look at it, the Six were a pretty paranormal 00:07:12.569 --> 00:07:15.170 friendly bunch, or at least claim to be. and 00:07:15.170 --> 00:07:17.550 landed in Gulf Breeze about the same time that 00:07:17.550 --> 00:07:20.129 the MUFON convention wrapped up on July 8th. 00:07:20.129 --> 00:07:22.470 The six were apparently in Tennessee a few days 00:07:22.470 --> 00:07:24.850 earlier where they bought a van and drove it 00:07:24.850 --> 00:07:27.410 to Florida, arriving on July 9th and according 00:07:27.410 --> 00:07:42.220 to Gulf Breeze police. They left Germany on July 00:07:42.220 --> 00:07:45.639 7th, the Mufon symposium ended on July 8th, and 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.240 they were apprehended on July 14th in Gulf Breeze. 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:52.040 And the Mufon was wrapped up by that time. Yes, 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:54.259 but they could have been in there around that 00:07:54.259 --> 00:07:56.259 time. It's just that they were in Tennessee the 00:07:56.259 --> 00:07:58.740 day before. But we're finding a connection between 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:02.040 the two. Eventually, maybe. I don't think there's 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:03.839 that much of a connection. It's just a really 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.800 weird coincidence timing -wise. Okay, and they 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.160 are into the paranormal. Okay, I just wanted 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.779 to make sure if I was understanding it correctly. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.939 Okay, so they did not go to the... Maybe they 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:17.529 did. maybe they did go to that's actually something 00:08:17.529 --> 00:08:19.410 that we don't know what he can confirm but it's 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:22.310 not it's surprisingly not important to the story 00:08:22.310 --> 00:08:24.829 okay i'm just trying to wrap my head around what's 00:08:24.829 --> 00:08:29.209 going on okay so hweksat soon crossed paths with 00:08:29.209 --> 00:08:31.470 local law enforcements when he was pulled over 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:33.429 in a van for driving with faulty taillight and 00:08:33.429 --> 00:08:35.470 the entire group was eventually detained on july 00:08:35.470 --> 00:08:38.110 13th 14th the six were transferred to the custody 00:08:38.110 --> 00:08:41.129 of intelligence agencies and taken to fort benning 00:08:41.129 --> 00:08:44.389 georgia and fort knox kentucky for interrogation 00:08:44.429 --> 00:08:47.049 They were soon issued general discharges and 00:08:47.049 --> 00:08:49.470 released with minimal consequences. Three of 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:52.649 the six, Beeson, Eccleston, and Hoekstad, returned 00:08:52.649 --> 00:08:54.809 to Gulf Breeze, arriving back in town within 00:08:54.809 --> 00:08:58.269 three weeks of first having been taken into custody. 00:08:58.450 --> 00:09:00.870 Beeson said he returned to the area because of 00:09:00.870 --> 00:09:03.409 friendships he developed, according to an August 00:09:03.409 --> 00:09:06.809 4th, 1990 newspaper article titled, The Three 00:09:06.809 --> 00:09:09.309 Discharged Soldiers Returned to Gulf Breeze Friends. 00:09:09.730 --> 00:09:13.730 This story raises a ton of questions. Yeah, I 00:09:13.730 --> 00:09:17.269 have many of them myself. How the six navigated 00:09:17.269 --> 00:09:19.470 international airports without being detained 00:09:19.470 --> 00:09:23.899 from leaving a German base. How does that happen 00:09:23.899 --> 00:09:26.600 though? Would they, if someone's considered AWOL 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.960 and maybe you don't have the answer, I don't 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.700 know, would there be like a warrant for them 00:09:31.700 --> 00:09:34.120 that airports would be looking for them? Here's 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.980 the thing. If you're traveling for military purposes, 00:09:37.100 --> 00:09:39.840 you don't have the same visa as everybody else. 00:09:40.059 --> 00:09:43.220 So generally speaking, you're supposed to have 00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:46.039 permission to leave if you're trying to leave 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.120 the country. Or potentially even a passport. 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:49.799 Well, you would have your passport. It's just 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.580 that you would not have a travel visa. You would 00:09:52.580 --> 00:09:54.919 have whatever the military equivalent is, which 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.120 would specifically say you're here for this purpose. 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.360 You can't leave without permission. And sorry, 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:04.200 what year was this again? 1980? 1990. Okay, pre 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.980 -911, so maybe a little more lax. Yeah, and it's 00:10:07.980 --> 00:10:10.120 even pre -Germany. It's West Germany they're 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.769 in. Okay, I think those are my questions for 00:10:12.769 --> 00:10:15.049 now. A partial explanation might include information 00:10:15.049 --> 00:10:18.450 contained in a July 19, 1990 New York Times article. 00:10:18.710 --> 00:10:20.990 Quote, the Pentagon said that two of the soldiers 00:10:20.990 --> 00:10:23.590 went on authorized leave from their unit and 00:10:23.590 --> 00:10:26.529 the 701st Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg, 00:10:26.690 --> 00:10:29.730 West Germany about two weeks ago and never returned. 00:10:29.769 --> 00:10:31.789 At the same time, two other soldiers from the 00:10:31.789 --> 00:10:34.190 unit vanished and officials suspected that two 00:10:34.190 --> 00:10:37.169 more who were on leave would not return. Military 00:10:37.169 --> 00:10:39.789 authorities issued a worldwide alert for the 00:10:39.629 --> 00:10:42.769 to six soldiers on July 9th. So they kind of 00:10:42.769 --> 00:10:46.590 did have an okay explanation for that. Not all 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:48.250 of them, but at least a good amount of them. 00:10:48.269 --> 00:10:51.830 Okay, another quick question. Is this real? Perhaps. 00:10:51.950 --> 00:10:54.669 No, it is. It is real. Okay. Yeah. That's all 00:10:54.669 --> 00:10:56.610 my questions for now. Now that might account 00:10:56.610 --> 00:10:59.230 for how they managed to get stateside, combined 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:01.470 with circumstances reported in an article from 00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:03.950 the Northwest Florida Daily News, which suggested 00:11:03.950 --> 00:11:07.330 the group used forged leave papers. Before the 00:11:07.330 --> 00:11:10.240 worldwide alert was issued, Monday the 9th, Beeson 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.559 and Twickstad could feasibly have made it to 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.200 Tennessee by Friday, July 6th, as reported was 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:17.940 the case by the Pensacola News Journal. The two 00:11:17.940 --> 00:11:20.779 reportedly planned to meet the other four. Some, 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.840 however, including Davis, would later speculate 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.100 intelligence officials knew of the group's plan 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:29.320 all along and were monitoring the journey. A 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.759 piece in the July 19th, 1990 edition of the Pensacola 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.320 News Journal indicated Robert Hall, an Army spokesman, 00:11:36.580 --> 00:11:39.460 stated authorities didn't know how the six got 00:11:39.460 --> 00:11:41.440 to the United States. The author of the article 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.220 also obtained comments from Stan Johnson, a contact 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:46.240 of Beeson's in Tennessee, who apparently picked 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.419 up Beeson's at Quaestad at the Knoxville Airport 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:51.000 on July 6th and helped them buy the van. Quote, 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.340 he did mention about going to Pensacola for a 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.019 UFO convention, end quote. Johnson was interestingly 00:11:56.019 --> 00:11:58.879 quoted as recalling about Beeson. First, the 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.799 article indicated the MUFON conference was held 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.340 in Pensacola July 6th to 8th and reported MUFON 00:12:04.340 --> 00:12:07.210 officials stated quote, They could not say whether 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:10.049 Beeson or Quakestad attended any of the supposed 00:12:10.049 --> 00:12:12.529 obsessions, end quote. However, Anna Foster, 00:12:12.830 --> 00:12:14.669 the psychic they were staying with in Tennessee 00:12:14.669 --> 00:12:16.629 who opened her home to the group, apparently 00:12:16.629 --> 00:12:19.909 did go to this. So they probably did go. In what 00:12:19.909 --> 00:12:22.389 appears to be the next day's edition of the same 00:12:22.389 --> 00:12:25.889 paper, the July 20th, 1990, Pensacola News Journal, 00:12:26.149 --> 00:12:28.309 a story is published titled, quote, Soldiers 00:12:28.309 --> 00:12:31.679 were to expose UFO scam. Sister Says. The article 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.100 highlights Beeson's sister and her husband, Carolyn 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:36.440 and Charles Reed, explaining how Beeson, quote, 00:12:36.779 --> 00:12:38.940 said they were going to expose a government cover 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:41.639 -up of reports that aliens had visited Earth, 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:43.820 end quote. Although the couple did not seem to 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:46.279 take him particularly seriously. The article 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.320 continued, quote, the Reed said Beeson also told 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.980 them that Foster had introduced him to a UFO 00:12:51.980 --> 00:12:53.799 group that believed the government was covering 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.940 up alien visits to Earth, end quote. quote if 00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:59.120 anybody should be arrested it should be that 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.320 lady end quote charles reed told the news journal 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.480 about anna foster for what it may or may not 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.279 be worth the article concludes quote the mutual 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.980 ufo network held a symposium on ufos two weeks 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:15.259 ago july six to eight but the group did not endorse 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:17.740 any positions on government cover -up said don 00:13:17.740 --> 00:13:20.240 weir a fort walton beach representative of the 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.419 group although weir said foster had attended 00:13:23.419 --> 00:13:26.590 the symposium Foster refused comment again Tuesday 00:13:26.590 --> 00:13:29.559 night. End of quote. So it does seem like they 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:33.159 did attend this thing. Okay, this is weird. Among 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.840 the more dramatic of the storylines to emerge 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.820 from the saga involved the Antichrist. As quoted 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:41.320 in the news journal, members of the Six were 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.899 being held at Fort Betting and that Major Joe 00:13:43.899 --> 00:13:46.980 Padilla, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said he 00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:49.600 didn't know why they left Germany or anything 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.159 about their religious beliefs. Golf Breeze police 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.220 chief Jerry Brown was similarly asked for comment. 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:57.879 The article explained, quote, When he was told 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.159 of the Stars and Stripes report Wednesday, Brown 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.840 said, I don't believe that. Who is the Antichrist? 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.179 And that's referencing that they were told that 00:14:05.179 --> 00:14:07.419 they were there to kill the Antichrist. One of 00:14:07.419 --> 00:14:10.940 the weird stories within this. That is weird. 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.419 If the Galt had talked about destroying the Antichrist, 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.080 that person should have a name, he said. End 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.120 quote. According to a Georgia MUFON state section 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.330 director. who described a Fort Benning doctor 00:14:22.330 --> 00:14:24.970 as his source, at least some of the Golf Free 00:14:24.970 --> 00:14:27.289 6 claimed to believe that the Antichrist did 00:14:27.289 --> 00:14:32.629 have a name, and it was Ed Walters. In an August 00:14:32.629 --> 00:14:35.610 4th, 1990 letter to MUFON, International Director 00:14:35.610 --> 00:14:38.929 Walt Andrus, the section director wrote, quote, 00:14:39.110 --> 00:14:41.049 In regards to your request that I try to meet 00:14:41.049 --> 00:14:42.990 with the soldiers here at Fort Benning, Georgia. 00:14:43.340 --> 00:14:45.419 who were involved in the recent end of the world 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:47.620 deal at Gulf Breeze, Florida, the following negative 00:14:47.620 --> 00:14:50.019 report is submitted. I was unable to meet with 00:14:50.019 --> 00:14:52.019 the soldiers who were being held in the stockade 00:14:52.019 --> 00:14:54.379 and my fraternity brother, who is a doctor at 00:14:54.379 --> 00:14:56.379 the base hospital, couldn't get me in to see 00:14:56.379 --> 00:14:58.580 the two men who were on the psychiatric ward. 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:00.639 All I could get from the doctor was relatively 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.980 the same as that which was out on the media wires. 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.120 The soldiers had originally met while stationed 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:08.820 together in Germany and they believe that the 00:15:08.820 --> 00:15:11.879 UFOs are works of the devil. They also supposedly 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.879 claim that Walters is the Antichrist and that 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.620 is why the UFO activity has been so heavy in 00:15:17.620 --> 00:15:21.480 the Florida panhandle. I'm sorry I wasn't able 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.919 to get anything better on this but the people 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.639 of the Provost Marshall's office weren't very 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.919 receptive to the idea of a UFO investigator. 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.659 End of quote. Interesting. Other points of interest 00:15:32.659 --> 00:15:35.419 include Vance Davis describing his mastery of 00:15:35.419 --> 00:15:38.840 quote self -hypnosis through active imagination 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.289 end quote. As taught in silver mind control courses 00:15:42.289 --> 00:15:44.809 that were held in Alex Merklinger's school in 00:15:44.809 --> 00:15:47.289 New York, Davis reported to interact with entities 00:15:47.289 --> 00:15:50.210 through such techniques. That seems like a very 00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:52.990 funny thing. My thought process went, wow, I 00:15:52.990 --> 00:15:56.149 could be really monetizing a lot more things, 00:15:56.169 --> 00:15:59.309 even if I just made them up. I could be an anything 00:15:59.309 --> 00:16:02.509 boss. People in the UFO community, 98 % of it 00:16:02.509 --> 00:16:06.230 is made up at point. Totally! Which really sucks 00:16:06.230 --> 00:16:10.029 because I love UFOs, but 90 % of it is totally 00:16:10.029 --> 00:16:12.250 made up. Yeah, it really makes it a problem for 00:16:12.250 --> 00:16:16.289 that other 10%. It really does. I still believe 00:16:16.289 --> 00:16:18.669 in them though. It actually is funny that that 00:16:18.669 --> 00:16:21.710 is like a general idiom within the UFO community 00:16:21.710 --> 00:16:25.509 that 90 % of it is fake and 10 % is real. Really 00:16:25.509 --> 00:16:28.549 is something that a lot of people say. Oh, even 00:16:28.549 --> 00:16:31.509 Stephen Greer says that a lot. Everybody in the 00:16:31.509 --> 00:16:35.309 UFO community, it's just even if that 1 % is 00:16:35.309 --> 00:16:37.750 real, that's something to look at. No, they say 00:16:37.750 --> 00:16:41.899 90 -10 and then they say, but even if 1%. Even 00:16:41.899 --> 00:16:45.539 if one is real, there's people who say that too. 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.639 Even if there's one that's real, huh? Okay. Yeah, 00:16:49.940 --> 00:16:53.259 that was my thought process. Okay. So Davis stated 00:16:53.259 --> 00:16:55.779 that one of his Gulf Breeze 6 colleagues, Kenneth 00:16:55.779 --> 00:16:58.399 Beeson, was practicing hypnosis techniques in 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.519 an interview published in the January, February, 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.220 1995 edition of the North California Move On 00:17:04.220 --> 00:17:06.640 Periodical titled Case Briefs Exploration and 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.369 Review. Quote. Did you receive the information 00:17:09.369 --> 00:17:11.730 from sources other than the Ouija board? And 00:17:11.730 --> 00:17:14.970 quote the interviewer asked. Oh, no. Vance replies, 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:19.069 quote, UFO documents came from a woman with Ashtar 00:17:19.069 --> 00:17:23.430 command in Germany. Oh, no. That was the Cooper 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:26.230 report and other documents. We didn't really 00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:28.829 get anything from work, but we started seeing 00:17:28.829 --> 00:17:30.990 things differently. The first thing that really 00:17:30.990 --> 00:17:34.130 got us moving and they didn't put this in statements 00:17:34.130 --> 00:17:37.470 was the Iran earthquake that year, 1990. because 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.210 we were told about it 30 days before it occurred 00:17:40.210 --> 00:17:43.910 we were also doing hypnosis end quote quote was 00:17:43.910 --> 00:17:47.309 beast in hypnotizing you end quote quote yeah 00:17:47.309 --> 00:17:49.869 it was a relaxed state like Edgar Cayce used 00:17:49.869 --> 00:17:53.069 to do We were doing a lot of parapsychology research, 00:17:53.589 --> 00:17:57.130 a whole lot of it. We did tarot cards and all 00:17:57.130 --> 00:17:59.549 that kind of stuff. We were trying to disprove 00:17:59.549 --> 00:18:02.130 all of the stuff until the Ouija board happened 00:18:02.130 --> 00:18:06.509 and some stuff. When you're doing hypnosis, you're 00:18:06.509 --> 00:18:10.069 in a state, you're in a very different from Ouija 00:18:10.069 --> 00:18:13.589 boards. Yeah, but you're in a very perceptive 00:18:13.589 --> 00:18:16.529 state when you're doing hypnosis. So if you're 00:18:16.529 --> 00:18:19.549 being hypnotized and then you're bringing tarot 00:18:19.549 --> 00:18:22.740 cards, and esoteric things into it, that's the 00:18:22.740 --> 00:18:25.339 suggestion. And that's the problem as well with 00:18:25.339 --> 00:18:29.279 like regression and stuff with UFOs. You're in 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.779 such a state of being able to be suggested pretty 00:18:33.779 --> 00:18:36.779 much anything. Which is the real problem that 00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:41.660 reverse hypnosis runs into? Any hypnosis. No, 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.559 but regressive hypnosis story. Yeah. Yeah. I 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.640 mean, if you're regressing in the pretense of 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.160 going into another life, an abduction or something 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.319 like that, you're in a very receptive state of 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.740 pretty much if you're even led a little bit, 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.359 you're very receptive to anything that's going 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.299 on. So what she's saying with tarot cards being 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:06.099 brought in, that's very leading to where they're 00:19:06.099 --> 00:19:09.619 going. Just my point of view here. Yeah, it seems 00:19:09.619 --> 00:19:12.500 like there might have been a bias in this hypnosis, 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.460 which might pose a problem. Especially when we've 00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:18.339 seen a few terms come up, like Ashtar Command. 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.980 Yeah, it doesn't seem like it was completely 00:19:20.980 --> 00:19:25.099 neutral, is all I have to say about that. As 00:19:25.099 --> 00:19:27.680 someone who does know how to hypnotize, by the 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.200 way. Two of the Golf Three Six did end up writing 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.859 a book called The Unbroken Promises, A True Story 00:19:32.859 --> 00:19:35.059 of Courage and Belief. This is written by Vance 00:19:35.059 --> 00:19:37.740 Davis and Brian Bleshaw. They further describe 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:39.880 the group's passion. They wrote a book? Yeah, 00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:42.900 it's called Unbroken Promises. They make a statement 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:46.140 in this book. Quote, this third session ended 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:48.460 up giving us the name of a woman in Munich that 00:19:48.460 --> 00:19:51.400 would have some information for us on the alien 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.000 and UFO situation. But they were already in Germany. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.220 This is when they leave. The woman's name was 00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:59.079 Gabriel. We did indeed find that woman in Munich, 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:01.779 and she gave us some information and documents 00:20:01.779 --> 00:20:03.980 that were interesting, to say the least. OK. 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:06.440 That paperwork was taken by the officer that 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.160 arrested Mike Quakestad in Pensacola. We never 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:12.839 saw it again. End quote. Oh, OK. The sessions 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.619 included received interactions with biblical 00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:18.839 icons, Mark and Mother Mary, the latter of which 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.799 curiously seemed to have arrived via the Ouija 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.859 board to answer questions for Annette Eccleston, 00:20:24.940 --> 00:20:27.880 who, quote, grew up a Catholic but was no longer 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.759 a practicing Catholic, end quote. Oddly enough, 00:20:31.220 --> 00:20:33.420 such activity in the vicinity of the base and 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.819 interest in the subject matter may very well 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:38.619 not have been limited to the Wayward Six. There 00:20:38.619 --> 00:20:41.480 may have been others involved who didn't end 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.339 up leaving. His sister and brother -in -law, 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.740 the Reeds, told the Pensacola News Journal, the 00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:49.680 man claimed to believe the rapture was imminent 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.220 and his group of 12, not six, was prepping. The 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:55.400 News Journal reported, quote, he also told the 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.740 couple that before the second coming of Christ, 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:01.059 the group, which Beeson said numbers 12, would 00:21:01.059 --> 00:21:03.319 emerge and try to convert people to believe in 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.740 Christ. The Reeds said. For what it's worth, 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.440 the Northwest Florida Daily News piled on, citing 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:13.220 Stars and Stripes as reporting there were indeed 00:21:13.220 --> 00:21:35.990 more interested parties. the end of the world. 00:21:36.190 --> 00:21:38.029 But Stars and Stripes quoted the soldiers from 00:21:38.029 --> 00:21:40.930 Augsburg unit as saying the cult has additional 00:21:40.930 --> 00:21:43.150 members in the area. There are others who are 00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:45.970 upset they didn't get invited to go along on 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:47.890 the search for the Antichrist, the newspaper 00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:50.309 quoted the soldiers as saying. There is also 00:21:50.309 --> 00:21:53.509 an unsigned typewritten note presumably sent 00:21:53.509 --> 00:21:56.349 to the US Army and all the major TV networks 00:21:56.349 --> 00:21:58.750 and wire services demanding the release of Breeze 00:21:58.750 --> 00:22:02.210 6 as reported on August 16, 1990 in the Gulf 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:04.640 Breeze Sentinel. The message in question was 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.880 also reported by Jacques Valais via Revelations, 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.839 his book. The message in question was also reported 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.019 by Jacques Valais in his book Revelations, among 00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:16.220 other sources. The Sentinel article stated, quote, 00:22:16.339 --> 00:22:20.079 Mark Curtis at WEAR Channel 3 first shared his 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.099 intriguing note with the Sentinel two days before 00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:25.599 the announcement that the Golf 3 -6 were discharged 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.200 from the Army and released, end quote. The message 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.500 contained in the note, which was reported to 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:32.839 have been typed in all caps and accompanied by 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.619 images just dated info quote abc mbc cbs ap upi 00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:41.180 us army colon free the gulf breeze 6 period we 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:43.920 have the missing plans the box of 500 plus photos 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.940 and the plans you want back here is proof with 00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:50.279 close -ups cut out next we send the close -ups 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.779 and then everything unless they are real answer 00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:57.460 code au gs bb 3 cm end quote The guy who wrote 00:22:57.460 --> 00:23:00.180 this article, he submitted four FOIA requests 00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:03.460 on the Gulf Breeze 6. One of the SA, asking they 00:23:03.460 --> 00:23:05.799 conduct a mandatory declassification review, 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:09.299 or MDR, of the file referenced by Coppens. He 00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:12.849 stated 1 ,400 vs 1 ,600 pages were withheld so 00:23:12.849 --> 00:23:15.970 perhaps more at some time in the future maybe 00:23:15.970 --> 00:23:17.869 more will be released. He also requested the 00:23:17.869 --> 00:23:20.690 NSA provide records pertaining to investigations 00:23:20.690 --> 00:23:22.849 of the individuals and their activities as suggested 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:25.230 in the newspaper clippings. He also requested 00:23:25.230 --> 00:23:27.849 that the army conduct an MDR file referenced 00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:31.029 by Coppins as well as related records on the 00:23:31.029 --> 00:23:33.670 group. Newspaper clippings establishing the existence 00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:36.309 of such army investigations of the six were offered 00:23:36.309 --> 00:23:40.089 in support. The CIA FBI were queried the files 00:23:40.089 --> 00:23:42.349 requested on interactions with the investigation 00:23:42.349 --> 00:23:44.809 of the Gulf Breeze 6. Offered in support was 00:23:44.809 --> 00:23:48.009 a July 19, 1990 article which stated Gulf Breeze 00:23:48.009 --> 00:23:50.250 Police Chief Jerry Brown said that no arrests 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:53.009 were made and the 6 were turned over to the CIA 00:23:53.009 --> 00:23:55.569 and FBI before going to Fort Benning. Also cited 00:23:55.569 --> 00:23:58.829 was a July 17, 1990 clipping which attributed 00:23:58.829 --> 00:24:01.349 the Police Chief Brown was stating the FBI CIA 00:24:01.349 --> 00:24:03.910 and NSA called the Gulf Breeze Police Department 00:24:03.910 --> 00:24:06.579 following the soldiers detention. but nothing 00:24:06.579 --> 00:24:09.960 was released. It is truly a bizarre case that 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.220 really isn't explained that well at all or that 00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:15.319 well -known at all and is very hidden. No, I 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.900 can't make heads and tails of what the hell is 00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:19.660 going on here. Basically, it's just they started 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:21.460 in Germany, they went to Gulf Breeze, they got 00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:23.559 arrested and then quickly released and then didn't 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.380 say anything again. That was it. Now, one of 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:30.000 the six did a Art Bell interview on Coast to 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.900 Coast in the 90s. No. But I could not find it 00:24:32.900 --> 00:24:36.690 for the life of me. What? Really? Yeah. Interesting. 00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:39.730 Sorry, I had to pay to listen to it. I didn't 00:24:39.730 --> 00:24:43.029 want to pay. So yeah, no, that totally checks 00:24:43.029 --> 00:24:45.589 out. Yeah, that's where our research ends, guys. 00:24:45.910 --> 00:24:48.250 What? I just mean in general, if we have to pay, 00:24:48.309 --> 00:24:50.690 that's where our research ends. No, yeah, I totally 00:24:50.690 --> 00:24:52.990 get that. OK, I'm not that offended because I'm 00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:55.210 not paying either. Is that not, like, the most 00:24:55.210 --> 00:24:57.609 bizarre story? Like, it doesn't make any sense 00:24:57.609 --> 00:25:00.369 at all, but, like, this happens right after Ed 00:25:00.369 --> 00:25:03.309 Walter. It's very likely this group of six thought 00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:05.569 he was the Antichrist, and they weren't the only 00:25:05.569 --> 00:25:08.609 six. Like, there was more people around it, and 00:25:08.609 --> 00:25:10.910 they get arrested right around there. Right when 00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:13.369 Mufon's like, okay, we need to get rid of this 00:25:13.369 --> 00:25:16.029 whole thing with the Bill Moore and just make 00:25:16.029 --> 00:25:20.230 it clean, these guys show up. They seem to just 00:25:20.230 --> 00:25:23.470 happen congruently, not together. But some of 00:25:23.470 --> 00:25:25.430 them seem to have shown up, but they don't want 00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:28.289 to admit it. MUFA may have also been covering 00:25:28.289 --> 00:25:31.599 it up because of Bill Moore. Yeah, no, they couldn't 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.480 get any more bad graphs. Yeah, we can't afford 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.079 to go through this again, but it's so weird. 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.000 Anything is possible with hypnosis, though. If 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.480 they had someone legitimately doing hypnosis 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.640 with the power of suggestion, it could be literally 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.279 whether it's the Antichrist or not. It's not 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.140 only the power of suggestion. They had Ashkar 00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:52.880 command on their side. And that's enough. Yeah. 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.480 But logically, the Antichrist doesn't make sense 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.500 to me because this guy was clearly making it 00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:02.660 up. But if you get hypnosis in there, no and 00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:05.940 Chelsea very simply If you believe he isn't making 00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:10.539 this up and you believe UFOs are demons, it makes 00:26:10.539 --> 00:26:12.740 perfect sense to think he is the Antichrist. 00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:15.880 That's true. If he is spawning these demons at 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.900 will, that's the Antichrist. Yeah. But then that 00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:21.660 doesn't make any sense with Ashtar Command. You 00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:24.000 can go a million different ways with this. And 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.880 I'm not my mind is reeling right now. I'm not 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.720 even sure what exactly you just told me still. 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:32.900 There's too much. There's too much. That was 00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:36.059 a crazy story that I was not expecting for this. 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.279 And it's only kind of adjacent to Ed Walters. 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:41.319 Like, it's just that they happened to also be 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.140 there. I don't know, maybe they wanted to kill 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:46.539 him, but I can't tell for sure. Yeah, he got 00:26:46.539 --> 00:26:49.460 brought up kind of maybe a little bit, but we 00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:51.839 can't tell if it's for sure about him. But they 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.319 were in Golf Breeze and they were labeled the 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.140 Golf Breeze 6, so I totally get why it's a part 00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.200 two. That's the weird shit that happened in Golf 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.539 Breeze. Okay, I like that. I liked it, even though 00:27:02.539 --> 00:27:04.779 I'm still going to be processing it for a while. 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:07.599 I don't know. It's so weird. But we just keep 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.640 learning new things about MUFON where they fuck 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:11.700 up. And I feel like at some point here, we need 00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:14.839 to just cover the MUFON story. We really do. 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.839 Because it feels like it kind of feels like they're 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.880 the ones that we tell people to go report to. 00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:22.759 And they have a lot of shady shit in their past. 00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:25.569 They really... It's going to be shady. A lot 00:27:25.569 --> 00:27:28.349 of screw -ups in their past. Yeah, and there's 00:27:28.349 --> 00:27:31.529 Richard Doty in their past too. So that's interesting. 00:27:31.549 --> 00:27:33.849 There's Richard Doty, there's Bill Moore, there's 00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:36.690 the Gulf Breeze Saints, and that's just off the 00:27:36.690 --> 00:27:39.529 top of my head. And yet they're still prominent. 00:27:39.869 --> 00:27:40.789 They're the ones that you would still report 00:27:40.789 --> 00:27:43.049 to. They're still who you do it, yeah. Right? 00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:46.190 But this is where this one leaves off. So, I 00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:48.430 have been Taylor. Here with Chelsea, we are Journey 00:27:48.430 --> 00:27:50.069 to the Fringe. Thank you all for listening. We'll 00:27:50.069 --> 00:27:52.609 see you next week. Bye. I'm still feeling a little 00:27:52.609 --> 00:27:55.250 uncomfortable with that, but we'll see you later. 00:27:55.950 --> 00:27:59.990 Bye. Thank you for listening to Journey to the 00:27:59.990 --> 00:28:02.250 Fringe. If you have liked what you have listened 00:28:02.250 --> 00:28:06.450 to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 00:28:06.690 --> 00:28:08.960 depending on what. venue you are listening to 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.579 us through. 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