WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 from the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:12.919 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:15.080 to Journey to the Fringe. And Chelsea, I don't 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.440 really have an opener. It's more on a side that 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:21.300 we need to go over right now. I think it is only 00:00:21.300 --> 00:00:24.780 due to societal pressures that we pronounce it 00:00:24.780 --> 00:00:29.199 dandelions and not dandelions. and I can't get 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.239 it out of my head and I just need that to be 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.759 known to people. There are so many things that 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.560 could be pronounced in a different way that could 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.539 you imagine though if you're just talking to 00:00:38.539 --> 00:00:41.479 someone in there like dandelions? Yeah, somebody 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.340 who had only read the word and looked at those 00:00:44.340 --> 00:00:49.259 beautiful dandelions. In a social setting and 00:00:49.259 --> 00:00:51.840 like, I think I would ponder it for a minute 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.159 before he's like, okay, was he trying to say 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.679 dandelion? Yeah, I don't know if I hadn't thought 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:58.759 of that. If somebody said that, I would fully 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.159 assume they're talking about dandelions at that 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:04.239 point. But it sounds flowery, that name, does 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:06.659 it not? It sounds like it's how it actually should 00:01:06.659 --> 00:01:09.239 be, but for societal pressures. There ought to 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.019 be a day where you just pronounce things weird. 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.400 Try pronouncing things new. What would you call 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.760 that day? It needs to be there. Alternate pronunciation 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:22.640 day. The funnest day on the earth. I am so excited 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:25.500 to go pray to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, 00:01:25.659 --> 00:01:30.719 personally. Yes. Anyhow, we are your podcast 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.920 hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. Here today, probably 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.939 covering a two -parter in what... Mayor may not 00:01:37.939 --> 00:01:41.159 be to connected stories it's weird to explain 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.239 starting out here but what we go through the 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.959 entire story it's gonna make more sense okay 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.280 i'm really curious what's this about we are talking 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.180 about the ufo hotbed. Golf breeze florida have 00:01:54.180 --> 00:02:04.540 you ever heard. I need to look at the. No, no, 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.319 I haven't I haven't maybe I have though. Maybe 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.080 I have I need more information at this point 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.180 What weirdly enough I bought secondhand? I think 00:02:13.180 --> 00:02:16.199 this is like four years ago at a used bookstore 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.379 a book called the golf breeze incident Oh wait, 00:02:19.379 --> 00:02:22.219 I think I have heard this but vaguely I can't 00:02:22.219 --> 00:02:25.659 think of anything It's written by an Edward Walters 00:02:25.659 --> 00:02:27.580 who we're going to be talking a lot about in 00:02:27.580 --> 00:02:29.699 this episode. I'm actually glad if you haven't 00:02:29.699 --> 00:02:32.000 heard about this one. This is a really fun story 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.080 that takes some twists and turns that we're going 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.419 to go through and just learn like why Golf Breeze 00:02:37.419 --> 00:02:40.259 is significant in the UFO community. I always 00:02:40.259 --> 00:02:42.719 love a good twist and a turn and potentially 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.819 an asshole to look into at a later date. This 00:02:45.819 --> 00:02:48.500 is where we're looking into him. We'll learn 00:02:48.500 --> 00:02:52.020 about him. Okay, good. I would hope so. Okay, 00:02:52.139 --> 00:02:55.120 good. strap yourselves in. For some reason, our 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.780 seats as podcasters do have seat belts. Yep. 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.360 You as podcaster listeners, I don't think they're 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.259 mandatory, but you should just invest in some 00:03:02.259 --> 00:03:04.979 good seat belts for your seats. You probably 00:03:04.979 --> 00:03:06.860 should, because mine's done up. You've told you 00:03:06.860 --> 00:03:10.400 so many times to do it. I know. And you wouldn't 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:12.479 believe how many times the seat belt has come 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.319 in handy while we've been recording. Well and 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.379 you gotta admit, you guys look really awkward 00:03:17.379 --> 00:03:19.580 when I say strap yourselves in and you guys do 00:03:19.580 --> 00:03:21.759 the like fastening your seatbelt motion like 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.539 you're on a plane and just look like a fool in 00:03:24.539 --> 00:03:26.879 public because you don't have that seatbelt with 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.419 you. You would look so much better if you had 00:03:29.419 --> 00:03:32.939 the seatbelt. It's true, just to do it up while 00:03:32.939 --> 00:03:35.500 everyone was watching you pretend to do it up. 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:40.840 Judging you. With those eyes. We know the eyes. 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.960 Anyhow, Chelsea, our story starts in the 80s, 00:03:44.020 --> 00:03:47.520 specifically on November 11th, 1987, when a building 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.500 contractor by the name of Edward Walters is working 00:03:50.500 --> 00:03:53.199 late at his home when he notices a strange light 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.900 outside his property. Intrigued, he made his 00:03:55.900 --> 00:03:58.060 way to the window to see what the source of the 00:03:58.060 --> 00:04:00.740 glow might be. What was it? A glowing object 00:04:00.740 --> 00:04:03.500 hovering in the sky, although his view was partially 00:04:03.500 --> 00:04:05.639 obscured by a tree outside his house. Wanting 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.099 to get a better view, Walters immediately ventures 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:11.169 outside. Good choice. He makes a of good choices 00:04:11.169 --> 00:04:13.750 actually as we get going here. I love that for 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:16.050 him. As soon as he stepped outside he realized 00:04:16.050 --> 00:04:18.629 he was viewing something out of the ordinary. 00:04:18.750 --> 00:04:21.009 He would later describe the object quote top 00:04:21.009 --> 00:04:23.410 shaped craft which I think he means like a spinning 00:04:23.410 --> 00:04:26.610 top end quote. Okay. Sorry I need to end the 00:04:26.610 --> 00:04:28.569 quote differently there but you guys all get 00:04:28.569 --> 00:04:30.829 what I was trying to do. They're strapped in 00:04:30.829 --> 00:04:34.129 of course they do. Yes this is why you have the 00:04:34.129 --> 00:04:38.250 straps. The top had a circle of bright lights 00:04:38.250 --> 00:04:40.620 on the underside. Around the edges were what 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:43.160 appeared to be dark square windows that were 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.259 separated by portals, as he called them. Upon 00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:48.860 coming to his senses, he sees it, he's like, 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.500 whoa, and he's like, wait, I clearly need a camera. 00:04:52.779 --> 00:04:55.540 So he goes and gets his Polaroid camera, grabs 00:04:55.540 --> 00:04:58.480 it, comes back outside, and he snaps several 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.959 photos of the phenomenon from his front yard. 00:05:01.100 --> 00:05:02.939 Wanting to get a better view, he left his front 00:05:02.939 --> 00:05:05.500 yard, steps out onto the street. heads closer 00:05:05.500 --> 00:05:07.959 to the UFO and takes several more photos as he 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.500 does this. A moment later the object headed in 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:12.540 his direction and then hovered directly over 00:05:12.540 --> 00:05:15.819 where he was standing and he took five Polaroids 00:05:15.819 --> 00:05:18.540 of the object in the sky outside his home. Walters 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:21.399 reported seeing the object hover about 200 feet 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.620 above the ground describing it as being quote 00:05:23.620 --> 00:05:27.339 right out of a Spielberg movie end quote. As 00:05:27.339 --> 00:05:30.199 he looked at the craft, a sudden bright blue 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.360 beam of light came from its underside and struck 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.800 him. He said the force of the light was so strong 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.160 that he was even lifted several feet from the 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.399 ground. He later described the moment to a local 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.680 newspaper stating that as soon as the light hit 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.800 him, he was unable to move his arms and that 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.399 his entire body appeared blue. He further recalled 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.879 that he was, quote, trying to breathe, but my 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.740 chest wouldn't expand, end quote. At the same 00:05:53.740 --> 00:05:56.199 time, a voice appeared in his head stating that 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:59.160 he should not worry and that, quote, we will 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.980 not harm you, end quote. Despite these assurances, 00:06:02.259 --> 00:06:05.259 Walter screamed to be put down. He also recalled 00:06:05.259 --> 00:06:08.699 a, quote, piercing smell, a little scent of ammonia 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:11.699 mixed with heavy cinnamon. We've heard cinnamon 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:14.439 before. I don't know where. I don't really remember 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.699 that. You don't? No. End quote. And this scent, 00:06:18.740 --> 00:06:21.800 quote, scorched and then stuck to, end quote, 00:06:21.939 --> 00:06:24.379 the back of his throat. Things then turned even 00:06:24.379 --> 00:06:27.100 more bizarre as he began seeing pictures and 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:29.480 images of dogs in his head, further describing 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.060 this as if he was turning pages in a book in 00:06:32.060 --> 00:06:34.459 his mind while humming sounds began resonating 00:06:34.459 --> 00:06:36.519 in his head. The next memory he had was waking 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:38.620 up on the ground. He looked up and around him 00:06:38.620 --> 00:06:41.019 and the strange craft was now nowhere to be seen. 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.220 Dazed and perplexed at what had transpired, Walters 00:06:44.220 --> 00:06:46.759 returned to his house with his camera. November 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.100 17th of the same year, Ed goes and contacts a 00:06:50.100 --> 00:06:52.360 local newspaper, the Gulf Breeze Sentinel, and 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.040 met with an editor and told him of events occurring 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.120 six nights earlier, as well as presenting this 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.339 photographic evidence. However, Ed did so under 00:07:00.339 --> 00:07:02.519 the guise of having been given the photos by 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.879 somebody else named Mr. X and remained anonymous 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.019 during this time. That seems like an odd thing 00:07:08.019 --> 00:07:11.360 to do. However, days and weeks go by and he would 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.000 eventually claim He claims further sightings 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.139 and eventually admits that he was the anonymous 00:07:17.139 --> 00:07:20.100 friend who was the witness to these bizarre happenings. 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.439 So November 11th, the first sighting, November 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.800 17th, when he goes and talks to the newspaper. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.939 On the evening of November 20th, Walters claimed 00:07:27.939 --> 00:07:30.620 to suddenly be able to hear voices coming from 00:07:30.620 --> 00:07:33.019 somewhere, as well as a hum that filled his head 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:35.819 during his initial encounter. He left what he 00:07:35.819 --> 00:07:38.480 was doing and made his way outside. Once there, 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:41.079 he could see a glowing orb -like object that 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.740 was descending. Then it stopped and hovered in 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:45.759 place for several moments allowing him to take, 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.759 again, more photos of it. Several weeks later, 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.699 at around 3 .30am on December 2nd, the family's 00:07:52.699 --> 00:07:55.819 pet dog awoke Walter from sleep with its sudden 00:07:55.819 --> 00:07:58.680 barking. Walter's got out of bed, headed to the 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.720 French doors where the dog had its focus, and 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.959 Walter's opened the blinds and was beyond shocked 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.240 to see a strange figure standing directly outside 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.220 looking at him. He described the creature as 00:08:08.220 --> 00:08:10.100 being around four feet tall with a particularly 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:13.620 large head and black eyes. Walters claims that 00:08:13.620 --> 00:08:16.000 he was surprised at the sight that he momentarily 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.019 fell to the ground in shock after the two locked 00:08:19.019 --> 00:08:21.480 stairs for several moments and the strange figure 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.019 turned around and began to walk away. At this 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:26.300 point, Walters opens the door, began to pursue 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:29.160 the creature, and after taking only a few steps, 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.639 the bright blue beam of light rapidly descended 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.200 from above and instantly paralyzed him. He looked 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.360 on as the small figure headed off into the field 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.539 and disappeared from sight. I'm finding a couple 00:08:40.539 --> 00:08:42.960 things interesting already. Don't worry, there's 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.539 more to the story. There will be more interesting 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:49.120 things. Okay. A moment later, the blue beam retracted 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.059 and he could move once more. Already with his 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:52.919 camera in hand, he took a picture of the object. 00:08:52.809 --> 00:08:55.149 now hovering over the field where the creature 00:08:55.149 --> 00:08:57.649 went headed, shooting a blue beam down to the 00:08:57.649 --> 00:09:00.149 ground. Walter stated that it was his belief 00:09:00.149 --> 00:09:02.929 that this second beam was, quote, picking up 00:09:02.929 --> 00:09:05.049 the creature, end quote, that had been outside 00:09:05.049 --> 00:09:08.470 the house. Two nights later, in early hours of 00:09:08.470 --> 00:09:11.809 December 5th, holy Jesus, Ed awoke in the middle 00:09:11.809 --> 00:09:14.230 of the night and witnessed objects hovering over 00:09:14.230 --> 00:09:16.429 the high school that was near Walter's home. 00:09:16.549 --> 00:09:18.629 After several moments, the object descended. 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.139 Although Ed could not tell if it hovered just 00:09:21.139 --> 00:09:23.480 above the ground or it actually landed. In total, 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.480 over this time period, Chelsea, from November 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.500 11th, December 5th, he took 32 photos and one 00:09:30.500 --> 00:09:32.899 video recording of the object over these sightings. 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.419 It's funny, if I Google it, only like three or 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:39.279 four come up, actually. They're actually all 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:42.350 in the book, funny enough. I mean, that's probably 00:09:42.350 --> 00:09:44.789 a red flag. Don't worry. There will be time for 00:09:44.789 --> 00:09:46.649 red flags when we get to red flags, Chelsea. 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:50.070 Oh, they're just a fly in. They're just a fly 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:53.830 in out right now. OK. But I'm keeping my mouth 00:09:53.830 --> 00:09:57.490 shut so far. By this time not only had many in 00:09:57.490 --> 00:09:59.629 the local community heard about Walter's claims 00:09:59.629 --> 00:10:03.009 but so did Mufon who contacted Ed in order to 00:10:03.009 --> 00:10:05.590 conduct an investigation into these enigmatic 00:10:05.590 --> 00:10:09.610 events. Oh man. So Mufon gets involved here and 00:10:09.610 --> 00:10:11.769 after examining the photographs and listening 00:10:11.769 --> 00:10:15.070 to the details that Ed accounts they are largely 00:10:15.070 --> 00:10:18.070 impressed and even describe it as one of the 00:10:18.070 --> 00:10:21.529 most incredible cases in modern UFO history. 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.779 They had even provided Walters with specialized 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:26.960 cameras and equipment so that he could capture 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.919 clear images should he have any further encounters. 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:55.039 I love that for this story. Investigators also 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.899 began to collect other sightings from Gulf Breeze 00:10:57.899 --> 00:11:00.740 and nearby residents. So it's not just him seeing 00:11:00.740 --> 00:11:04.779 this. One of these events even occurred on the 00:11:04.779 --> 00:11:07.179 same day as Walter's initial sighting on November 00:11:07.179 --> 00:11:10.879 11th, several hours earlier at 4 30 a .m. Arthur 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.539 Hooford. claimed that on the afternoon in question, 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.279 he and his wife witnessed an object that looked 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.840 exactly like the one photographed by Walters 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.200 hovering over trees in Pensacola. Resting. In 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:25.419 an article of Hufford's report, Jackie Brooks 00:11:25.419 --> 00:11:28.779 wrote in the New Journal that he was a, quote, 00:11:28.940 --> 00:11:31.919 quiet, sober, involved, intelligent, unquote, 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:34.320 man, and someone, quote, you would trust to tell 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.399 the truth, end quote. In the same article, she 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.659 also highlighted a similar sighting by Dr. Fenner 00:11:38.659 --> 00:11:41.779 McConnell, describing him as a, quote, Well -respected 00:11:41.779 --> 00:11:44.399 man of community and someone known for extreme 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.100 views or exotic notions. I feel like that's wrong, 00:11:47.139 --> 00:11:50.259 but I'm gonna keep going with it Okay, I have 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:52.220 to assume they mean not known for extreme views 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:54.779 or exotic notions, but that's not what it says 00:11:54.779 --> 00:11:58.440 I always wonder if I was to ever see a UFO like 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.899 how people would describe me as either being 00:12:01.899 --> 00:12:05.639 credible or not Are people still respected in 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:10.649 communities anymore? That's my one question Yeah, 00:12:11.570 --> 00:12:15.509 maybe. Like, community might be used loosely. 00:12:16.049 --> 00:12:19.169 I feel like it's just not hated within the community 00:12:19.169 --> 00:12:20.990 nowadays, because I feel like that's the only 00:12:20.990 --> 00:12:23.210 reputation you get anymore. What with society 00:12:23.210 --> 00:12:25.889 killing the idea of community? That's true, but 00:12:25.889 --> 00:12:27.730 you would have to ask people directly, because 00:12:27.730 --> 00:12:30.370 if you ask people on social media, like, everyone 00:12:30.370 --> 00:12:33.929 would hate you, I think. Because you get behind 00:12:33.929 --> 00:12:37.210 a screen and people feel a lot looser to give 00:12:37.210 --> 00:12:39.580 their full opinions. I mean, it really depends 00:12:39.580 --> 00:12:41.919 on what you mean by social media. If it's blue 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.960 sky, they might say good things. If it's Twitter, 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.440 whatever they call it now these days, there might 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.820 be a few N words and other things thrown around. 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.480 Yeah, I've seen people's opinions. I think there's 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.440 a little bit too much leeway given. Well, not 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.340 leeway, just ability now that people shouldn't 00:13:01.340 --> 00:13:04.039 have. It's too easy to give their opinion. Anyhow, 00:13:04.220 --> 00:13:06.720 not known for his extreme views or exotic notions 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.830 and like huge his accounts work were operated 00:13:09.830 --> 00:13:14.149 by his wife. So these seem to line up and MUFON 00:13:14.149 --> 00:13:17.210 is pumped that they have this kind of sighting 00:13:17.210 --> 00:13:20.090 going on with multiple times over the course 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:22.610 of months and photographic evidence from each 00:13:22.610 --> 00:13:25.370 time it happens. Like super pumped. But as they 00:13:25.370 --> 00:13:28.509 get going a few holes start to show up. Oh no. 00:13:29.169 --> 00:13:31.970 Many, even in the UFO community, were far from 00:13:31.970 --> 00:13:34.330 convinced from Walters credibility. Just one 00:13:34.330 --> 00:13:36.809 of whom was the Center for UFO Studies. One of 00:13:36.809 --> 00:13:39.330 the main refutes against Walters is that he intentionally 00:13:39.330 --> 00:13:41.850 produced the photographs using double exposure 00:13:41.850 --> 00:13:44.190 techniques and a toy model. Which Chelsea, I 00:13:44.190 --> 00:13:45.750 don't know if you know what double exposure is. 00:13:45.870 --> 00:13:47.549 It's basically when you take one picture and 00:13:47.549 --> 00:13:50.029 then take another picture on top of it. Oh, okay. 00:13:50.269 --> 00:13:52.009 Which makes it look like something completely 00:13:52.009 --> 00:13:55.279 different. Yeah. But, you know, with a Polaroid, 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.919 it's hard to do that. Is it? Yeah, because the 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.480 photo comes out once you do it. Yeah, but then 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.899 you just take another Polaroid of that photo. 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:06.879 That's not quite how that works. It's because 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.840 the film gets exposed. You can re -expose the 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.340 film to another shot and it'll have an underprint 00:14:12.340 --> 00:14:15.470 of the first photo in it. Oh, okay. Do you understand 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:17.970 that? Yeah. It's basically how ghosts kind of 00:14:17.970 --> 00:14:20.370 show up on some pictures is because there was 00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:22.730 a negative already on there that when it took 00:14:22.730 --> 00:14:24.870 the photo and it gets a little blurry because 00:14:24.870 --> 00:14:27.690 of it. Oh, I didn't know that. That's actually 00:14:27.690 --> 00:14:30.370 it can explain away some of the ghost photos. 00:14:30.570 --> 00:14:33.129 I've actually never heard that theory put forth 00:14:33.129 --> 00:14:36.049 before. Oh, okay. Which is super interesting. 00:14:36.169 --> 00:14:38.269 And the veracity of these claims appeared even 00:14:38.269 --> 00:14:41.649 more certain when ufologist Zan Overall seemingly 00:14:41.649 --> 00:14:43.409 discovered that Walters did indeed he'd have 00:14:43.409 --> 00:14:46.129 the knowledge of how to do double exposure techniques 00:14:46.129 --> 00:14:49.190 and the capability to utilize them. Even those 00:14:49.190 --> 00:14:51.509 who did not accuse Walters of perpetrating a 00:14:51.509 --> 00:14:53.789 hoax were not as convinced of the photograph's 00:14:53.789 --> 00:14:56.190 authenticity. The National Enquirer asked a photo 00:14:56.190 --> 00:14:59.129 expert with NASA, Dr. Robert Nathan, to analyze 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:00.929 the pictures as they were interested in running 00:15:00.929 --> 00:15:03.850 a story on Walters' accounts. Ultimately, however, 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:06.590 he stated his findings were inconclusive and 00:15:06.590 --> 00:15:08.929 so couldn't say with certainty that they weren't 00:15:08.929 --> 00:15:11.149 fake. There were also details that came to light 00:15:11.149 --> 00:15:14.009 such as Walters reported paying a fee to Dr. 00:15:14.269 --> 00:15:17.049 Bruce McCabe in order to write a chapter in a 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:19.669 potential book he had been given a six -figure 00:15:19.669 --> 00:15:23.509 advance for that he was to call UFO's proof positive. 00:15:23.870 --> 00:15:26.929 A little weird thing there. Just a little weird 00:15:26.929 --> 00:15:29.830 thing. However, when the publisher had the photographs 00:15:29.830 --> 00:15:32.250 analyzed, they received a similar report that 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:34.450 was given by Dr. Robert Nathan and ultimately 00:15:34.450 --> 00:15:37.070 had the title of the book changed to The Golf 00:15:37.070 --> 00:15:40.649 Breeze Sightings. Interesting. We should also 00:15:40.649 --> 00:15:43.269 note that during this time, Walter's wife and 00:15:43.269 --> 00:15:45.730 family stood by his accounts. Furthermore, in 00:15:45.730 --> 00:15:48.389 February of 88, Walter's passed two polygraph 00:15:48.389 --> 00:15:51.009 tests regarding his claims. Now, despite the 00:15:51.009 --> 00:15:53.330 skeptics, however, further sightings of the bizarre 00:15:53.330 --> 00:15:55.830 object hovering and moving over the region continued 00:15:55.830 --> 00:15:58.409 to unfold, with Walter's himself recording several 00:15:58.409 --> 00:16:01.009 more apparent close encounters. Indeed, although 00:16:01.009 --> 00:16:03.330 he began by giving his information under the 00:16:03.330 --> 00:16:05.950 guise of a go -between, he quickly became a celebrity 00:16:05.950 --> 00:16:07.740 in the state of Florida, even appearing appearing 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:10.240 on several television shows that wish to examine 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.669 his apparent evidence of visitation. With all 00:16:13.669 --> 00:16:15.909 of this fame and fortune, he moved out of the 00:16:15.909 --> 00:16:18.269 house where most of the sightings had occurred 00:16:18.269 --> 00:16:20.809 and he moved elsewhere in the region to an undisclosed 00:16:20.809 --> 00:16:23.029 location. And he specifically kind of says that 00:16:23.029 --> 00:16:25.809 he did this because he was getting too big in 00:16:25.809 --> 00:16:28.070 the UFO world and he wanted to be kind of remain 00:16:28.070 --> 00:16:29.970 anonymous, not have people come visit him in 00:16:29.970 --> 00:16:33.909 his house. That property stood empty for close 00:16:33.909 --> 00:16:36.629 to a year. And when it was clear to the UFO adventure 00:16:36.629 --> 00:16:39.210 seekers that Walters had indeed gone for good, 00:16:39.350 --> 00:16:41.250 the house was finally bought by somebody named 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:43.519 Robert Menzer. that name's gonna come up again 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:47.159 here soon. Really? Okay. Actually, immediately. 00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:49.059 I didn't realize it was immediately. I thought 00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:52.519 it was a little further down. Menzer moves in 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:56.639 and he says in the June 10th 1990 edition of 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.600 the Pensacola News Journal that he had ventured 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.340 into the loft of the house in order to turn off 00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:04.900 water so he could install a new ice maker and 00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:09.220 as he was moving insulation in the attic he finds 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:15.539 a model UFO. No way! And he claims it. Does this 00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:18.920 guy have both of his arms? Robert Menzer or Ed 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:23.009 Walters? Ed Walters. I assume so, why? This is 00:17:23.009 --> 00:17:25.809 getting a little suspicious, and I don't know, 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:27.990 Billy Mayer would have never left the homeland. 00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:31.759 Yeah, they don't speak enough German in Florida. 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.859 He's not going there. No, they really don't know. 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.500 Okay. So Menzer says that the object was made 00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:39.400 of two foam plates and two slightly smaller foam 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.740 plates with paper rings in between them, onto 00:17:41.740 --> 00:17:44.480 which windows had seemingly been drawn. Perhaps 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.740 even more damaging when the paper was removed, 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.420 records of a house sale were discovered in handwriting 00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:52.000 that appeared to match that of Walters. In response 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.779 to the find, Walters completely dismisses this 00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:57.920 and he says, quote, only a fool would leave behind 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.450 such a piece of evidence. End quote. Further 00:18:01.450 --> 00:18:03.670 stating that the model have clearly been quote 00:18:03.670 --> 00:18:06.910 unquote planted in order to discredit both him 00:18:06.910 --> 00:18:09.089 and the many sightings he had experienced. He 00:18:09.089 --> 00:18:11.170 added that the house sale records were his papers 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:13.109 and that they related to a house sale which fell 00:18:13.109 --> 00:18:15.329 through two years after his initial sightings 00:18:15.329 --> 00:18:18.890 in November of 1987. I don't really get the sale 00:18:18.890 --> 00:18:22.170 of the house papers thing, but whatever. I think 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:25.710 it's just tying it to him that they were found 00:18:25.710 --> 00:18:29.430 together. Oh, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. And they 00:18:29.430 --> 00:18:31.799 likely would have been his if it was found with 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.759 papers of his. Yeah okay that makes sense. He 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.019 stated that he often found people searching in 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:39.160 his trash and that someone must have retrieved 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.579 the house paperwork from there. In another twist, 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.200 investigators eventually discovered that the 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.420 plans did indeed match those of a housing project 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.400 for 1989 that had fallen through. Walter stated 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.700 the model Mincer had discovered was not at all 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:54.039 like the crafts he'd photographed. Although he 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.680 stopped short of accusing Menzer of being behind 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.359 the model, he heavily hinted at it. We should 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.000 note that Menzer only revealed the model's existence 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.819 when a reporter arrived at the property in relation 00:19:04.819 --> 00:19:08.359 to the former owner. That is hilarious. He didn't 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.759 actually go to the papers for it. This paper 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.160 wanted to write a story about it. He's like, 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.859 oh yeah, I found this. Does this help your claim 00:19:14.859 --> 00:19:18.160 at all? If this guy had any brains, he would 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.339 have been like, yeah, I was just trying to recreate 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:24.259 the UFO that I saw. I don't know. Like, if we 00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:26.619 know anything about how the world works now, 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.000 it's either you deny or you don't even answer 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.259 the question and you just completely respond 00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:33.099 to something else. Like, that's how the world 00:19:33.099 --> 00:19:34.799 works these days. And he didn't do a bad job 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.539 with that. Yeah. Now, with those cases at the... 00:19:38.490 --> 00:19:41.769 All that happening, Walters appears to kind of 00:19:41.769 --> 00:19:43.809 weather the storm and his claims of the model 00:19:43.809 --> 00:19:46.990 being a plant are taken pretty well by actually 00:19:46.990 --> 00:19:50.069 the people who believe him. Then, something else 00:19:50.069 --> 00:19:53.369 happens, Chelsea. Oh, I'm so excited. What happens? 00:19:53.569 --> 00:19:56.230 What happens? So the following week, June 17th, 00:19:56.230 --> 00:19:59.289 1990 edition of the Pensacola News Journal, another 00:19:59.289 --> 00:20:01.910 article appears concerning Walters UFO sightings. 00:20:01.970 --> 00:20:05.109 In it, a teenager by the name of Tom Smith claims 00:20:05.109 --> 00:20:07.569 that he had assisted Walters in making the UFO 00:20:07.569 --> 00:20:10.710 model. just before the sightings began. He went 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:14.309 on that Walters had first taken pictures of the 00:20:14.309 --> 00:20:16.430 model which had been made to give the appearance 00:20:16.430 --> 00:20:18.650 of glowing and then taken pictures of the night 00:20:18.650 --> 00:20:21.950 sky using the same frame on the film, which is 00:20:21.950 --> 00:20:25.140 what double exposure is. He even revealed that 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:27.660 to make it appear that a UFO had landed in a 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:29.900 nearby field, Walters had turned a trampoline 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:33.019 upside down and then jumped on it over and over 00:20:33.019 --> 00:20:35.200 again in order to flatten the grass and vegetation 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.839 in the shape of the round object. Smith continued 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.920 that, to begin with, he thought Walters was merely 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.660 going to play a joke on family or friends. However, 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:45.920 when he asked him to take the photographs to 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.279 the newspaper as if he had taken them in order 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.740 to make the story more believable, Smith realized 00:20:50.740 --> 00:20:53.099 that Walters was looking to dupe the media and 00:20:53.099 --> 00:20:55.309 publicize for financial gain. Not wanting to 00:20:55.309 --> 00:20:58.470 get caught in a fraud, not least as he didn't 00:20:58.470 --> 00:21:00.710 want to disappoint his family, Smith declined 00:21:00.710 --> 00:21:03.529 to further be involved. When Smith's parents 00:21:03.529 --> 00:21:05.769 were interviewed about their son's claims, they 00:21:05.769 --> 00:21:08.609 stated that what he was saying was true and that 00:21:08.609 --> 00:21:11.349 he had told them about the trickery before. And 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.009 while they had urged him to come forward with 00:21:14.009 --> 00:21:15.950 the truth, he wished to stay out of the affair 00:21:15.950 --> 00:21:18.230 until now. So this was three years after the 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:19.769 whole thing. And you got to think about it, I 00:21:19.769 --> 00:21:22.250 don't know how old he was at that time, but three 00:21:22.250 --> 00:21:25.049 years for a teenager is a lot of time to grow 00:21:25.049 --> 00:21:28.529 up. That's true. That's true. But this story 00:21:28.529 --> 00:21:30.829 just keeps going, Chelsea. So providing further 00:21:30.829 --> 00:21:32.750 interesting backstory to the claims of the Smith 00:21:32.750 --> 00:21:35.869 family was the fact that Smith was running against 00:21:35.869 --> 00:21:39.690 Ed Walters for city council. What? The dad of 00:21:39.690 --> 00:21:42.130 the teenager who allegedly helped him do this 00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:46.400 is running against him for city council. Ed Wolter's 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:48.640 apparently got involved in politics, and this 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.779 is when it all comes out. Oh my god. Of course 00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:55.099 he's getting involved in politics. Yeah, he's 00:21:55.099 --> 00:21:58.539 got money, he's a celebrity. Coincidentally or 00:21:58.539 --> 00:22:00.660 not, around the same time their son came forward 00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:06.480 with the claims is when this all happened. So 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.799 the Smith family could have some motive for saying 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.480 this. Yes. Yeah. This, as we might imagine, led 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.799 those who backed Walters' accounts as proof and 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.920 fact to accuse Tom Smith of not only lying, but 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.319 of the Smith family being behind the plant of 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.619 the model in the first place so that they could 00:22:23.619 --> 00:22:26.400 then publicly humiliate Walters. But of course, 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:28.720 Smith family denies this. Those who side with 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:30.359 Walters turn their attention to the claims made 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.500 by Smith. For example, landing spot that was 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.819 examined and investigated did not grow vegetation 00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:38.819 for almost 18 months. So they say. And what's 00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:42.079 more, no chemicals or other agents were discovered 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:43.960 that could have caused the lack of growth, in 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.230 a perfect circle no less. This was something 00:22:46.230 --> 00:22:48.170 that certainly could not be produced by jumping 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:50.450 on an upside -down trampoline. There was also 00:22:50.450 --> 00:22:52.769 the details that Smith had given regarding how 00:22:52.769 --> 00:22:54.769 Walters achieved the blue beam of light shown 00:22:54.769 --> 00:22:56.930 in one of the pictures. He had claimed that Walters 00:22:56.930 --> 00:22:59.170 had peeled away ever so slightly the back of 00:22:59.170 --> 00:23:01.210 the film. This was something that those with 00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:03.690 knowledge of photography stated would not achieve 00:23:03.690 --> 00:23:05.990 such a result. Perhaps even more damaging for 00:23:05.990 --> 00:23:08.450 Smith's claim were that, as well as those who 00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:10.009 believe double exposure was the cause of the 00:23:10.009 --> 00:23:12.450 UFO in the photograph, is that no photographic 00:23:12.450 --> 00:23:15.500 expert could produce a double -exposed using 00:23:15.500 --> 00:23:18.960 the camera that Walter said he used, a Sun 600 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.880 Polaroid. Perhaps most damaging of all to Smith's 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.980 claims was the fact that there's absolutely no 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:26.640 evidence whatsoever that Smith had ever met Walter's 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.319 before or after the sighting. Which, I don't 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.940 know, there's not a lot of paper evidence, even 00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:34.660 in this day and age, of any relationships people 00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:37.059 have with teenagers. That's just how it works, 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.720 is it not? Unless you're related to them. So 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.759 Smith offered in response to this that Ed had 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.660 used Smith's camera to take the photographs and 00:23:46.660 --> 00:23:48.880 not the Polaroid which he said he even produced 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.319 these fake UFO pictures and made them available 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.720 to the media to prove how easily he could do 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.240 it and when these pictures were analyzed no evidence 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.039 whatsoever could be found to show that these 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.579 were fake meaning perhaps ironically by their 00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:04.059 own standard they had declared the pictures authentic 00:24:04.059 --> 00:24:07.519 images of UFOs. What? He's like oh yeah no those 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.380 didn't come from a Polaroid they came from my 00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:11.650 camera I can even show you how I did it and he 00:24:11.650 --> 00:24:13.890 made more UFO photos and they're like, yeah these 00:24:13.890 --> 00:24:16.549 appear to be authentic Basically when they say 00:24:16.549 --> 00:24:18.589 authentic they just mean they haven't been tampered 00:24:18.589 --> 00:24:21.500 with Further turns in the already strange affair 00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:23.980 occur following Walter's self -publishing of 00:24:23.980 --> 00:24:26.880 the book, which I talked about before, that contained 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.000 many of the photographs. As we might imagine, 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:31.099 many people were eager to see the pictures close 00:24:31.099 --> 00:24:33.220 up for themselves, both believers and skeptics 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:35.559 alike, and one picture in particular drew the 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.799 attention of skeptics, as one wore the UFOs just 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.160 above a road. In this image, an apparent UFO 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.599 is hovering and casts a reflection on the road 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.559 below. However, this picture was examined by 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.640 one particular photographic expert, and it was 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.490 determined that the were approximately nine times 00:24:50.490 --> 00:24:53.650 larger than normal, suggesting that these reflections 00:24:53.650 --> 00:24:55.890 were not coming from the road, but were suspended 00:24:55.890 --> 00:24:58.619 in the air. Further analysis suggested that the 00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:00.799 reflections didn't match the bottom of the underside 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.319 of the craft and that the road appeared too bright 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.460 to be a reflection from the object. Although 00:25:06.460 --> 00:25:09.099 it appeared that Walters had finally been exposed, 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.460 some investigators pointed out that if the object 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:14.079 had been at an angle while the photographs had 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.180 been taken, this would explain the long shadows 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:18.579 and discrepancy in them matching the craft's 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:20.980 underside and the brightness of the road. Now 00:25:20.980 --> 00:25:22.980 despite these the counterclaims to the apparent 00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:26.539 exposures of Walters photographs being fakes, 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.519 it appeared at least as far as Mufon was concerned, 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:32.160 who really liked Walters at the time, that it 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:35.119 was finally time for them to withdraw support. 00:25:35.180 --> 00:25:37.740 Oh, thank God. So after all of this happens, 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.099 they finally go out and in a state regarding 00:25:40.099 --> 00:25:42.619 matter, they offer their belief in UFOs and that 00:25:42.619 --> 00:25:44.740 they had, quote, entered this investigation with 00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:47.700 a natural and favorable bias towards Walters 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:50.460 case. But our investigation and analysis lend 00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:52.680 to the conclusion that several, if not all of 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.079 the photographs are probable hoaxes, end quote. 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.700 But regardless of Mufon's position, the fact 00:25:58.700 --> 00:26:02.319 is that there were many more than just Ed Walters, 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:04.880 who also claimed to have seen UFOs in the Gulf 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.619 Breeze region of Florida during the late 80s, 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:10.700 early 90s. According to some sources, around 00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:13.559 200 other people in the region made reports of 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:17.140 similar objects to those allegedly reported photographed 00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:20.079 by Walters, with some of them even offering their 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.710 own photographs. One resident, Bland Pew, which 00:26:23.710 --> 00:26:27.480 is a terrible name. managed to capture a picture 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.380 of an apparent alien craft in 93. This is an 00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:32.359 absolutely terrible picture, so don't even bother 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.119 looking at it. Furthermore, in 1990, a group 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.099 of witnesses and believers organized themselves 00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:39.799 into a loose organization that was dedicated 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.619 to studying sightings as well as documenting 00:26:42.619 --> 00:26:45.359 any further encounters. And they would not be 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.640 disappointed observing and documenting several 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.500 encounters, including one that is similar to 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:53.119 the object to the one Walters claimed to have 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.859 seen. that had red lights on the underside. Although 00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:57.920 the concentration of sightings in Gulf Breeze 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.599 began to slow as the 90s unfolded, reports of 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.220 bizarre aerial crafts continue to come from that 00:27:03.220 --> 00:27:05.720 region, and it remains a location with more than 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.720 its fair share of UFO activity. The surge of 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.660 activity, however, at the end of the 80s into 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:13.720 the early 90s arguably remains the region's most 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.680 active years. In response to the Gulf Breeze 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.380 sightings, MUFON ends up holding its first annual 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:23.839 UFO symposium in nearby Pensacola, 1990. attracting 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.059 hundreds of attendees. The conference continued 00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:29.680 for a remainder of the decade in this area and 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.680 the director of tourism for Golf Breeze said 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.440 that the free publicity attracted tourists and 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.920 UFO sightseers. A local travel agent even said 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.200 that she arranged 600 flights for the MUFON conference. 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.599 Merchants began selling UFO related goods in 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.079 the area. That's crazy. It ends up being a big 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.359 thing. And that is the year immediately after 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:54.259 Bill Moore did his weird rant up at the MUFON 00:27:54.259 --> 00:27:56.400 symposium. So this was the one they followed 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.200 that up with. It's not looking good for MUFON 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.299 at this time. It's sure not. I should note in 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.799 1993, somebody from News Journal revisited this, 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.579 named Curtis, the evidence against Walter's account 00:28:09.579 --> 00:28:11.559 mentioning a friend of the Walters family, Tommy 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:13.519 Smith, that come forward admitting to, quote, 00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:16.880 witness Ed faking UFO pictures, end quote, as 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.380 a practical joke. Curtis also reported that Walters 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.240 and his wife had divorced in 92 and they had 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.819 to split $2 .5 million in assets that Curtis 00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:28.799 believed came from the hoax. So he got a ton 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.119 of money from this entire thing and like got 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:35.059 a book deal out of it. Now, right in and around 00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:38.700 the MUFON 1990 symposium in Gulf Breeze area, 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.420 there's a group called the Gulf Breeze Six, and 00:28:41.420 --> 00:28:45.920 it is six people who went AWOL from the military 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.779 and were posted in Germany, and they ended up 00:28:47.779 --> 00:28:51.539 getting arrested in an area at that time. And 00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:54.259 that's gonna be part two of this story. Whether 00:28:54.259 --> 00:28:56.700 or not it's related to any of this, we're gonna 00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:59.220 see. I'm gonna keep it vague at that point, but 00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:02.269 it's just so weird that this other thing up happening 00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:06.170 right around this and engulf Breeze. So I think 00:29:06.170 --> 00:29:08.529 this is a good place to end it. It is a wild 00:29:08.529 --> 00:29:11.630 story. And go ahead. You already mentioned Bill 00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:14.869 Moore. I think we ought to throw Mufon on the 00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:17.569 future episode list. At this point, it's not 00:29:17.569 --> 00:29:20.569 a bad idea. I think between the 80s and the 90s, 00:29:20.670 --> 00:29:23.789 they have a ton of baggage that never heard addressed. 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.319 Yeah. My other thing that immediately I went 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.880 to when I was like red flags everywhere was the 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.380 being that he saw on his front door, which I 00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:37.240 believe was described as a gray. Yeah. Guess 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.779 when communion came out. Oh, man. Is it 87? It 00:29:40.779 --> 00:29:44.589 is. Yeah. Yeah. February 1987, and this I believe 00:29:44.589 --> 00:29:47.869 you said was November 87, which was a wildly 00:29:47.869 --> 00:29:51.130 popular time for to graze. If you've ever heard 00:29:51.130 --> 00:29:54.230 the story of communion and the cover of communion, 00:29:54.430 --> 00:29:57.750 that was my other thing that I immediately went 00:29:57.750 --> 00:30:00.289 to. I just want to add this too, at this point, 00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:01.750 when we're talking about the grays. Thank you 00:30:01.750 --> 00:30:03.670 for bringing that up, because they maybe remember. 00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:06.549 That totally reminded me of the Stanley Tiger 00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.670 story. I know. That was the other thing. I'm 00:30:09.670 --> 00:30:13.309 glad you said that. It is almost exactly like... 00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:15.809 Technology was too good for Stanley Tiger, so 00:30:15.809 --> 00:30:20.789 it became very obvious. It reminds me exactly 00:30:20.789 --> 00:30:23.609 of the Stanley Tigers story. This guy that just 00:30:23.609 --> 00:30:26.789 happens to be constantly surrounded by UFOs. 00:30:27.109 --> 00:30:32.730 Just getting like the best footage. Stanley Tigers 00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:37.390 is so good with the grays in his house. Yes, 00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:40.329 thank you for following my own train of thought 00:30:40.329 --> 00:30:42.329 that I forgot because that was my other thing. 00:30:42.470 --> 00:30:45.599 It sounds exactly like Stanley Tiger. Bill Moore 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.880 being in Mufon in and around the same time, which 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.940 it doesn't seem like he's like talking about 00:30:51.940 --> 00:30:55.099 this, but maybe they needed this to kind of distract 00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:58.839 from the mess that Bill Moore made. To be fair, 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.859 Bill Moore was too busy with his own drama going 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:06.819 on at this time to really address this. and it 00:31:06.819 --> 00:31:10.359 being very close to. And he got it. I mean, most 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.380 people will be like, I don't want to make money 00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:14.839 off of this. You don't see me getting rich, but 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.619 this guy got rich. He already had a book deal. 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.660 He already had a book deal, like right as it's 00:31:19.660 --> 00:31:23.650 going on. Yeah, so those are just all the things 00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:26.349 that I noticed about the story. So yeah, every 00:31:26.349 --> 00:31:28.289 now and then you might hear about the Gulf Breeze 00:31:28.289 --> 00:31:30.529 incident. This is literally it. Oh, and I forgot 00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:33.430 to mention too, there is a fairly large Air Force 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:37.630 base very close to Gulf Breeze, which does somewhat 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:40.029 explain the sightings. And in fact... Oh, I guess 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:42.490 so. People did go talk to the base as well and 00:31:42.490 --> 00:31:44.250 say, like, hey, was there anything weird on your 00:31:44.250 --> 00:31:46.410 radar these nights? They said no. Nothing weird 00:31:46.410 --> 00:31:48.650 was on a radar any of the nights that - As a 00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:52.109 matter of fact, yes! And Walter saw it! Yeah. 00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:56.650 Oh. Because we always hear that come up with 00:31:56.650 --> 00:31:59.230 these UFO stories that the military just comes 00:31:59.230 --> 00:32:01.529 clean about the secret shit that they're testing. 00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:04.970 Don't worry about us, is what they say. Yeah, 00:32:05.049 --> 00:32:09.150 maybe. I don't know. Who's asking? We're definitely 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:16.900 not gonna have Richard Doty be in contact. Okay, 00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:19.880 good story. I love a good Stanley Tiger story. 00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:22.740 The next one is even more bizarre, but it's going 00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:25.839 to be the second part because we are like roughly 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.500 at the right time for an episode. And I think 00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.920 the other one's going to be just as long. Fantastic. 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.200 So we'll leave it here. I have been Taylor here 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.079 with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:36.440 you all for listening and we'll see you next 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:42.380 week. Bye. Thank you for listening to Journey 00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:44.720 to the Fringe. 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