WEBVTT 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:06.620 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.620 --> 00:00:26.420 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Here today talking 00:00:26.420 --> 00:00:29.600 about our papal friends, the popes. I haven't 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.780 really been following THE news, but I recently 00:00:32.780 --> 00:00:35.520 heard that Robert Evans was the one that was 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.340 elected the pope. Ain't Robert from the US was 00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:44.709 elected pope. I heard that somewhere. Within, 00:00:44.709 --> 00:00:47.789 you know, what I listen to and absorb. Not actual 00:00:47.789 --> 00:00:51.270 news, but... I feel like if Robert was the one 00:00:51.270 --> 00:00:53.310 to become Pope, we would get some significant 00:00:53.310 --> 00:00:56.789 changes with regards to gas station, drugs, just 00:00:56.789 --> 00:00:59.850 over -the -counter drugs, and machetes, which 00:00:59.850 --> 00:01:01.750 would be a good thing for the Catholic Church. 00:01:02.030 --> 00:01:03.250 I think we can all agree on that. It's not the 00:01:03.250 --> 00:01:05.849 Pope that we needed, but it's the Pope we all 00:01:05.849 --> 00:01:09.370 wanted. Or is it the reverse? It's the Pope we 00:01:09.370 --> 00:01:13.200 needed. Yep. No, it's the Pope. We need it. I 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.599 got it mixed up. Damn it as I do I originally 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:19.239 wanted to start off with talking about the Pope 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.040 prophecies Which is a big thing that's been around 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.719 for thousands of years and then and by thousands 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:27.180 of beers I mean a thousand years now that I think 00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:30.799 about it, but okay big difference You do. Thousands, 00:01:31.099 --> 00:01:33.439 thousands. What's the difference? It turns out 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.019 this is probably too mainstream at this point 00:01:36.019 --> 00:01:39.519 right now for this podcast for a topic. Chelsea 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:42.000 and I have our way of discerning these things. 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.239 And it's just too many people are talking about 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.659 the Pope prophecy. It's not mainstream, but it 00:01:46.659 --> 00:01:49.099 ain't fringe. I had to change my route for this. 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:52.459 We're going to be talking about Pope based conspiracies. 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:55.840 I love that we've talked about Pope so much on 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.269 Journey to the Fringe. If you're ready for it, 00:01:58.349 --> 00:02:00.390 we're going to go through. I'm ready for it. 00:02:00.689 --> 00:02:03.269 I actually have more conspiracies I could have 00:02:03.269 --> 00:02:05.730 gone through, but I kept it to three that we're 00:02:05.730 --> 00:02:07.670 going to talk about. Hey, we've already talked 00:02:07.670 --> 00:02:11.169 about popes. conspiracies so this would be a 00:02:11.169 --> 00:02:13.870 continuation we're leaving out the nazi stuff 00:02:13.870 --> 00:02:17.750 damn it the nazis are so popular this one's kind 00:02:17.750 --> 00:02:21.889 of nazi based but it's not okay you always got 00:02:21.889 --> 00:02:24.590 to assume there's nazis we start out in the 70s 00:02:24.590 --> 00:02:27.210 in this one then we go back to the 1800s so it's 00:02:27.210 --> 00:02:30.229 kind of around like we skip over the nazi bits 00:02:30.229 --> 00:02:33.610 okay i'm excited for some pulp conspiracies let's 00:02:33.610 --> 00:02:36.830 let us have some yes we're gonna start out with 00:02:36.830 --> 00:02:41.050 the first pope before we were born we grew up 00:02:41.050 --> 00:02:43.830 with pope john paul the second as like the pope 00:02:43.830 --> 00:02:46.349 we knew yeah how much do you know about pope 00:02:46.349 --> 00:02:50.169 john all the first nothing i can't say i know 00:02:50.169 --> 00:02:52.830 i know anything about any of them even the one 00:02:52.830 --> 00:02:54.909 we grew up with No, he's the one who brought 00:02:54.909 --> 00:02:57.409 the Pope Mobile in. Pope John Paul II, he was 00:02:57.409 --> 00:02:59.389 in an episode of Family Guy. I know I'm from 00:02:59.389 --> 00:03:02.270 that, obviously. Anyhow, we're going to be talking 00:03:02.270 --> 00:03:04.810 about Pope John Paul I, which I knew nothing 00:03:04.810 --> 00:03:07.590 about. And we got to start this off. He was known 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:10.650 as the Smiling Pope, which is just like, that's 00:03:10.650 --> 00:03:13.699 a creepy title. That is creepy. I gotta google 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:16.319 this. And it just makes me think of Ingrid Cold. 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.879 There's a reason Pope John Paul I and II took 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.060 the same name, and it turns out Pope John Paul 00:03:22.060 --> 00:03:25.460 I had a very brief stint as Pope. I was just 00:03:25.460 --> 00:03:27.879 pondering that actually. It took him four ballots 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.259 to get in. His name was Cardinal Albino. I shouldn't 00:03:31.259 --> 00:03:33.580 say his name was Cardinal. His name was Albino 00:03:33.580 --> 00:03:37.080 Luciani. He was a Cardinal and he was elected 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.039 Pope. I believe it was 1978. It doesn't have 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.879 it here. Despite the fact he had repeatedly claimed 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.680 he would refuse the papacy should it be offered 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.419 to him. Luciani. Really? accepted the position, 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.280 yeah, one of the weird things about this pope, 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.740 and assumed the position of Pope John Paul I, 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.539 and he stated, may God forgive you for what you 00:03:56.539 --> 00:03:59.080 have done, end quote, when he was accepted. How 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.259 does he know what I've done? His reign lasted 00:04:02.259 --> 00:04:05.699 33 days. That's how long he was - Oh no. That's 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:08.139 sad for that guy. Is it because he said that 00:04:08.139 --> 00:04:10.560 he wasn't gonna take it? Is that the conspiracy? 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.840 That's actually nothing to do with conspiracy. 00:04:13.060 --> 00:04:15.500 The conspiracy comes about the death thing here. 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:18.319 Oh, I thought it was - then I was gonna go to 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.540 is it about the smile? So I'm just guessing wrong. 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:25.620 He smiled at the wrong person? Yep. Too smiley. 00:04:25.740 --> 00:04:27.620 Just gonna keep the shit beat out of him for 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:30.759 being too smiley. That happens to popes all the 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.259 time. Yep. And we're going to start out with 00:04:33.259 --> 00:04:35.899 the lead up to Pope John Paul. So when Pope Paul 00:04:35.899 --> 00:04:38.680 VI, who, sorry, aside, right now we have to talk 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.779 about this, what other job do you get selected 00:04:41.779 --> 00:04:43.819 for? Where they say, by the way, pick your nickname. 00:04:44.060 --> 00:04:47.360 How often does that happen? We'll call you exclusively 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.740 by it. I don't know, there could be one. If Pope 00:04:50.740 --> 00:04:53.060 wanted to go by the name Daggers, would they 00:04:53.060 --> 00:04:57.230 just do it? I would love that for a pope, first 00:04:57.230 --> 00:04:59.850 of all, and there's so many good names, but why 00:04:59.850 --> 00:05:02.589 do they do that? Is that the conspiracy? No, 00:05:02.709 --> 00:05:05.509 that is not. I just, it's one of those weird 00:05:05.509 --> 00:05:08.170 things where this is like, presidents don't get 00:05:08.170 --> 00:05:09.949 to do that. They didn't say to Trump, by the 00:05:09.949 --> 00:05:13.110 way, what's your nickname for this term? No. 00:05:13.670 --> 00:05:15.750 And he didn't say, I want to go by Snake Eyes 00:05:15.750 --> 00:05:20.759 because I'm so cool. It's just like, no other 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.420 job says by the way, get a new name now, just 00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:25.980 we're gonna go buy it. You're right, like you've 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:28.339 got, you're gonna die by this name and you've 00:05:28.339 --> 00:05:30.620 gone by something else for your whole life, but 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:33.790 now you're this. Why? Do you know? No, I have 00:05:33.790 --> 00:05:36.389 no idea, but I don't want to look into it because 00:05:36.389 --> 00:05:37.949 I really like the idea. Nah, I don't feel like 00:05:37.949 --> 00:05:40.350 it either. The Cardinals, when they vote, they 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:42.129 then go to him and say, by the way, what are 00:05:42.129 --> 00:05:44.670 we calling you from here on out? And he has a 00:05:44.670 --> 00:05:47.370 small chance of going by like Hot Wheels or something 00:05:47.370 --> 00:05:51.649 like that. Hot Wheels? The Pope in the wheelchair. 00:05:51.949 --> 00:05:54.850 Hot Wheels. And you know, I hope none of them 00:05:54.850 --> 00:05:57.769 are like me and you can't put me on the spot 00:05:57.769 --> 00:06:00.069 and then I got nothing. I just look around and 00:06:00.069 --> 00:06:06.420 feel like a lamp. No, you don't actually get 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:09.339 a pope name because you didn't say it in time 00:06:09.339 --> 00:06:16.639 You would think that you would submit your pope 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.139 name first and then they would pick the coolest 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:22.000 name now that we're talking about it They could 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.839 actually vote on who they think has the coolest 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:30.899 pope name. Yeah, no for sure and you don't get 00:06:30.899 --> 00:06:33.319 the pope name and do you think all of them are 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.300 like they have their pope name ready to go that's 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:39.240 a good that would if i'm ever up for pope i have 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.600 to have it ready to go you gotta have it right 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:46.160 now yeah which should mine be i don't know something 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.240 like i would go by arino agree because then you're 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.220 pope arino That is great. And it sounds kind 00:06:54.220 --> 00:06:56.279 of Latin -y, so it sounds like you're kind of 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.660 going that way. But you have to have a first 00:06:58.660 --> 00:07:01.560 or second? Or is it just if you're next up with 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.079 that name? No, because like the last one was 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:04.699 great. Do you know how many Poporinos are going 00:07:04.699 --> 00:07:08.060 to come after you? Oh, man, so many, because 00:07:08.060 --> 00:07:13.079 it's just going to keep going. Poporino. That's 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.560 a good one. It's just going to be all Poporinos 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:21.930 after that. It's so good. There's no other choice. 00:07:21.949 --> 00:07:25.769 No other names. Who wants to be a Leo or a Jumbo? 00:07:26.569 --> 00:07:32.490 Poperino the 16th. 375. And if we ever get a 00:07:32.490 --> 00:07:35.009 female pope, there can be a Poperinat. Who are 00:07:35.009 --> 00:07:37.449 we kidding? There'll never be a female pope. 00:07:37.629 --> 00:07:42.779 No, there will not. Nope. Nope. Anyhow. Pope 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:46.240 Paul VI, he dies, and the College of Cardinals 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.259 hoped that they would find a friendlier pope. 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:52.379 Apparently he was an asshole. Oh! And also, you 00:07:52.379 --> 00:07:55.839 know, I think I don't know why I didn't put the 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.079 years in here, but he's like coming not right 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.920 off World War II, but pretty sure it's the 70s 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.439 at least. So like he's Nazi adjacent at best. 00:08:04.819 --> 00:08:06.959 I think they realized, man, there's a lot of 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.120 Nazi ties here. We got to make this look a little 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.050 better. Is that why he's smiling? They wanted 00:08:12.050 --> 00:08:14.069 a new pope that would be approachable and give 00:08:14.069 --> 00:08:17.310 the papacy a warmer air than he had given off 00:08:17.310 --> 00:08:19.689 in the past. And they got their wishes with Pope 00:08:19.689 --> 00:08:23.569 John Paul I. No idea why. Apparently he smiled. 00:08:23.769 --> 00:08:27.699 Okay. Once? He was known for his humor and good 00:08:27.699 --> 00:08:31.519 nature and John Paul the first became an instant 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.860 favorite, especially he had to become an instant 00:08:33.860 --> 00:08:36.799 because he didn't have that much time, especially 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.279 amongst the younger members of the Catholic Church. 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.860 However, rumors quickly arose that there were 00:08:41.860 --> 00:08:43.940 discontent about the choice with the College 00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:46.919 of Cardinals. Some rumors suggested that certain 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:49.360 members of the college had pushed for a more 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.039 conservative voice and were unhappy with such 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.659 a modern, open candidate and others suggested 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:58.149 that Pope John Paul I wasn't papable. Yeah, I 00:08:58.149 --> 00:09:01.610 think that's how you say that. It's P -A -P -A 00:09:01.610 --> 00:09:04.210 -B -I -L -E. I think it's papable. Yeah, let's 00:09:04.210 --> 00:09:06.809 go with that. Okay. Or didn't have the personal 00:09:06.809 --> 00:09:09.169 qualifications for the job. Nonetheless, the 00:09:09.169 --> 00:09:11.830 first few weeks of John Paul I papacy went smoothly 00:09:11.830 --> 00:09:14.870 and were without incident. However, on the morning 00:09:14.870 --> 00:09:17.710 of September 29th, 1978, I was right, it was 00:09:17.710 --> 00:09:21.450 78. Sister Vicenza entered the Pope's room to 00:09:21.450 --> 00:09:23.909 check on him. After noticing that he had yet 00:09:23.929 --> 00:09:26.950 come out for his morning coffee. To her horror, 00:09:27.250 --> 00:09:30.549 she found him dead in his bed. She quickly summoned 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:33.110 another sister to confirm what she'd found. A 00:09:33.110 --> 00:09:36.610 younger nun named Sister Margarita. Both nuns 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.179 reported that the Pope's skin was cold and that 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:41.340 his nails were surprisingly dark. The official 00:09:41.340 --> 00:09:44.059 report claimed that Pope John Paul I was found 00:09:44.059 --> 00:09:47.460 lying in his bed with a book opened beside him 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:49.639 and the reading light on. The official cause 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.440 of death, according to the Vatican doctor, was 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.120 a heart attack occurring at 11 p .m., so like 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.120 eight hours earlier. Now, discrepancies in the 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:00.299 Vatican account of the evening surrounding Pope 00:10:00.299 --> 00:10:03.340 John Paul I's death, its inaccurate statements 00:10:03.340 --> 00:10:06.840 about who found the body and what he had been 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.299 reading, when, where, and whether an autopsy 00:10:09.299 --> 00:10:11.919 had been carried out produced a number of conspiracy 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:14.299 theories from here. What? That's actually going 00:10:14.299 --> 00:10:15.820 to be an important part that we'll talk about 00:10:15.820 --> 00:10:18.879 once we get there. It should be noted. Oh, it's 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.580 the next slide, in fact. I'm sorry. That was 00:10:22.580 --> 00:10:26.419 amazing foreshadowing. Ready for shadowing for 00:10:26.419 --> 00:10:29.259 literally the next sentence. It needs to be noted 00:10:29.259 --> 00:10:33.639 that in Vatican law, popes cannot be autopsied. 00:10:33.860 --> 00:10:36.720 Super important, weirdly enough. So what are 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.559 they ruling this on? Just like... Looks like 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:41.899 a heart attack. Whatever the hell they want. 00:10:42.620 --> 00:10:44.320 Yeah. We can't look inside, but looks like a 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.909 heart attack. After death. Pope's bodies are 00:10:46.909 --> 00:10:49.730 allowed to be embalmed, but they can't be autopsied 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:52.009 because that's considered a desecration of the 00:10:52.009 --> 00:10:55.549 body and thus illegal under papacy law. I don't 00:10:55.549 --> 00:10:57.970 have the specifics of it. The Wikipedia article 00:10:57.970 --> 00:11:00.190 has a link. I didn't go there. I just found that 00:11:00.190 --> 00:11:02.649 really interesting. What else is in the papacy 00:11:02.649 --> 00:11:05.610 law? You can't diddle with the Pope's body, but 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:07.570 like they can do it to everybody else. I don't 00:11:07.570 --> 00:11:12.090 like your use of the word diddle. Why? I don't 00:11:12.090 --> 00:11:15.659 know. It just gives me weird vibes. It was about 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:20.519 a pope! Okay, I'm on the Papacywah page. Oh my 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.799 god, every time I see anything with a pope in 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.500 canon, I just picture them being shot out of 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:28.679 a cannon. Can you just control that really quick 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:34.139 for diddling? Yep. Diddle. Not a thing. Oh man, 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:41.019 I was way off. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Because, again, 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.360 died suddenly in his sleep, discovered hours 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.080 later, no autopsy is done. Obviously people are 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.019 going to think this is a little weird. Yeah, 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:53.960 I think it's weird. People come up with conspiracies. 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.559 So in 1984, David Yalop wrote a book called In 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.820 God's Name and he proposed the theory that the 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:03.019 Pope had been in potential danger because of 00:12:03.019 --> 00:12:06.700 corruption in the Vatican Bank. Oh no. Known 00:12:06.700 --> 00:12:09.240 officially as the Institute for Works of Religion, 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.820 the Vatican's most powerful financial institution, 00:12:12.019 --> 00:12:14.820 which owned many shares in Banco Abrozziano, 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.379 the Vatican Bank lost several hundred million 00:12:17.379 --> 00:12:20.200 dollars during the scandal. The corruption was 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.659 real and is known to have involved the bank's 00:12:22.659 --> 00:12:26.100 head, Bishop Paul Marchinkos, along with Roberto 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.600 Calvi of the Banco Abrozziano. Marchinkos, at 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.919 the time, head of the Vatican Bank, was indicted 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.710 in Italy in 1982 as an accessory in 3 .5 $5 billion 00:12:35.710 --> 00:12:38.590 collapse of Banco Bresciano. Calvi was a member 00:12:38.590 --> 00:12:41.809 of P2, an illegal Italian Masonic lodge, and 00:12:41.809 --> 00:12:45.070 he was found dead in London in 1982 after disappearing 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:47.610 just before the corruption became public. His 00:12:47.610 --> 00:12:50.370 death was originally ruled a suicide, and a second 00:12:50.370 --> 00:12:52.850 inquest, ordered by his family, then returned 00:12:52.850 --> 00:12:55.450 an open verdict, which I think means that they 00:12:55.450 --> 00:12:58.929 weren't sure what killed him. In October of 2002, 00:12:59.350 --> 00:13:01.429 forensic experts appointed by Italian judges 00:13:01.429 --> 00:13:03.210 concluded that the banker had been murdered. 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.879 In his 2012 book, The Power and the Glory, Inside 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.779 the Heart of John Paul II's Vatican, Yallop writes 00:13:09.779 --> 00:13:13.899 that Luciani had been given a list of 121 Masons, 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.320 and on September 28th, the day of his death, 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:20.539 had advised Jean -Marie Villot, at the time Cardinal 00:13:20.539 --> 00:13:22.980 Secretary of State, with personnel transfers. 00:13:23.259 --> 00:13:25.580 Yallop specifically summarized his conspiracy 00:13:25.580 --> 00:13:29.460 theory in his 1984 book, Three Archbishops, Marchinkos, 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.919 Villot, and Cody, conspired with three moths, 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:59.929 Theologian Abbé Georges de Nantes? spent much 00:13:59.929 --> 00:14:02.590 of his life building a case for murder against 00:14:02.590 --> 00:14:05.340 the Vatican. collecting statements from people 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:08.080 who knew the Pope before and after his election. 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:10.860 His writings go into detail about the bank and 00:14:10.860 --> 00:14:13.259 about John Paul I's supposed discovery of a number 00:14:13.259 --> 00:14:15.580 of Freemason priests in the Vatican, along with 00:14:15.580 --> 00:14:17.799 a number of his proposed reforms and devotions 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.039 to Our Lady of Fatima. In his 2017 book, The 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.639 Godmother Madre Pascalina, Friar Charles Myrrh 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.659 writes about the coincidence that Pope John Paul 00:14:26.659 --> 00:14:30.139 I had attempted to discipline Cardinal Sebastiano 00:14:30.139 --> 00:14:33.299 Baggio, who appointed many liberal bishops including 00:14:33.299 --> 00:14:36.340 later the defrocked ex -Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, 00:14:36.779 --> 00:14:39.600 and that Baggio was the last person to have seen 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.059 Pope John Paul I alive. And in another book, 00:14:43.460 --> 00:14:45.399 When the Bullet Hits the Bone, which was published 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:49.720 in 2019, Anthony Ramondi says he helped his cousin 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.480 Archbishop Paul Machinkis kill the Pope by putting 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:55.860 Valium in his tea to knock him out and then poisoning 00:14:55.860 --> 00:14:58.639 him with cyanide. The reason given was that John 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.059 Paul had allegedly threatened to expose, quote, 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.559 a massive stock fraud run by the Vatican insiders, 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.480 end quote. Ramondi says that plans were made 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:11.950 to assassinate John Paul II had the latter decide 00:15:11.950 --> 00:15:15.250 to expose the fraud. Ramondi says that, quote, 00:15:15.509 --> 00:15:18.809 if they take the Pope's body and do any type 00:15:18.809 --> 00:15:21.049 of testing, they will still find traces of the 00:15:21.049 --> 00:15:24.669 poison in his system, end quote. And when somebody 00:15:24.669 --> 00:15:27.250 dies after 33 days and is found dead in their 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:30.250 bed and they can't do an autopsy, yeah. Yeah. 00:15:30.250 --> 00:15:33.690 Many people are going to be suspicious. So that's 00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:36.690 that's Pope John Paul the first conspiracies 00:15:36.690 --> 00:15:39.830 there. I fully agreed that he was definitely 00:15:39.830 --> 00:15:42.370 murdered. I could probably write a book on this. 00:15:42.470 --> 00:15:44.809 Like that is the perfect place to kind of say, 00:15:45.029 --> 00:15:47.409 oh, yeah, he was definitely murdered. Oh, definitely. 00:15:48.009 --> 00:15:50.850 Especially you leave it open, especially when 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:54.389 you don't do an autopsy. Yeah. You're just leaving 00:15:54.389 --> 00:15:58.009 yourself open for that. And I would like to say 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:04.240 that I thought of my pope name. Yes. Ina. Popina! 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.000 Popina, I like it. Thank you. Took a lot of brain 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.659 power, but now I feel prepared going into it 00:16:11.659 --> 00:16:15.149 if I was to ever be elected pope. Good. That's 00:16:15.149 --> 00:16:17.649 good. I feel like that's half the battle is being 00:16:17.649 --> 00:16:19.789 confident enough to say I will be pope and this 00:16:19.789 --> 00:16:22.909 will be my name. Yeah, and I feel like if they 00:16:22.909 --> 00:16:25.570 change the way that they elect the popes and 00:16:25.570 --> 00:16:29.289 they decide based on your name, I am a shoo -in. 00:16:29.450 --> 00:16:32.149 Yeah. Yeah, except for all the people that are 00:16:32.149 --> 00:16:35.350 listening. Don't steal my pope name. Don't do 00:16:35.350 --> 00:16:40.120 it. I know it's good. That's the problem here 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.120 is we don't actually know how it's done. There's 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.039 that new movie that came out like right around 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.620 this time that actually outlines how it all works. 00:16:47.019 --> 00:16:48.940 Really? I'll never watch that. Oh yeah, it's 00:16:48.940 --> 00:16:50.779 an HBO story. I forget what it's called. Yeah, 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:55.679 it's not something I will watch. No, I'd rather 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.820 speculate. It's so much better. There's too many 00:16:58.820 --> 00:17:01.940 shows that like they ruin basically things because 00:17:01.940 --> 00:17:03.879 they explain things when it's so much better 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:08.240 left it to just wild imaginations. Oh yeah. Oh, 00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:12.240 yes. Like these guys! Like these guys in this 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.460 burger! Exactly! It's all relates. Yeah, don't 00:17:17.460 --> 00:17:20.779 do the autopsy, we need this! Yeah, exactly. 00:17:23.460 --> 00:17:26.339 Okay, was that the whole conspiracy? Yeah, basically 00:17:26.339 --> 00:17:28.019 he died and there's a whole bunch of different 00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:30.799 people who claim, like, why he died. I love that 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.750 too long didn't read. Okay, what's the next one? 00:17:33.809 --> 00:17:35.849 I'm excited. Now that I'm looking at how much 00:17:35.849 --> 00:17:37.869 time we've gone through, I think we're only gonna 00:17:37.869 --> 00:17:40.470 get through two of these, but that's okay. Because 00:17:40.470 --> 00:17:44.769 the next one is Pope John Paul II. We're just 00:17:44.769 --> 00:17:47.309 gonna keep these two guys together. Did he come 00:17:47.309 --> 00:17:49.809 after, like right after the first one? Right 00:17:49.809 --> 00:17:52.380 after, yeah. Really? Why did he go with that 00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:55.579 name? He was just murdered. I know, and I actually 00:17:55.579 --> 00:17:57.880 think it had a lot to do with the fact that that 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.579 was just the Pope, and he was carrying on his 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:04.039 papacy. I would have to look more into it, but 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.039 Pope John Paul I, being called the Smiling Pope, 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.599 and what Pope John Paul II does during his time, 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:12.940 makes me believe he was trying to carry on the 00:18:12.940 --> 00:18:15.720 legacy of Pope John Paul I, being the Smiling 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.559 Pope. Yeah, I could see it, I guess, from the 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.619 little I know about the Pope. Releasing joker 00:18:21.619 --> 00:18:24.160 bombs like throughout the towns and having people 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.119 sardonic grins on their faces. Okay, but that 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.220 sounds that's what I remember about Pope John 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:33.240 Paul II I don't know. I don't really remember 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.339 anything except I was there for his death. Oh 00:18:36.339 --> 00:18:39.269 good, which doesn't sound ominous at all Did 00:18:39.269 --> 00:18:41.549 you autopsy him? You're not supposed to. Nope. 00:18:41.769 --> 00:18:43.890 You're not allowed to. That's where I learned 00:18:43.890 --> 00:18:46.869 that. They said, ma 'am, get back. You are not 00:18:46.869 --> 00:18:49.930 allowed to autopsy that boat. I was prepared 00:18:49.930 --> 00:18:53.079 to though. Okay, and Chelsea, we almost had back 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.799 to back, really short Pope stance in the 70s, 00:18:56.900 --> 00:18:59.039 because there was an assassination attempt on 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.000 Pope John Paul II in 79. Are we going to talk 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.279 about the Pope Mobile? We're not going to talk 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.480 about it specifically, except for right now, 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:09.559 where I say this is where the Pope Mobile comes 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.960 from, because he had an assassination attempt 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.680 on his life, but he does survive in it. So we 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.380 end up going actually like, I don't know, like 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:20.920 25 years with the same Pope. He had a long reign, 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.599 right? I guess. Oh, yeah. He made it into Family 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.720 Guy times. That's all I know. Yeah, that seems 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.460 like a long time. He was elected like shortly 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:32.680 after the death of Pope John Paul I. In 1979, 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.920 the New York Times reported that, and I don't 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.160 know how to pronounce this name. I truly am sorry. 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.859 I didn't look up how to say it. He's Turkish. 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.319 So I think his name is Aksay or Aksa. I'm going 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:45.940 to call him Aksa from here on out, whom the New 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:48.339 York Times called, quote, the self -confessed 00:19:48.339 --> 00:19:50.960 killer of an Istanbul newspaperman, end quote, 00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:53.500 have described the Pope as, quote, the mass leader 00:19:53.500 --> 00:19:55.700 of the Crusades, end quote, and threatened to 00:19:55.700 --> 00:19:58.039 shoot him if he did not cancel his plan to visit 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.380 Turkey, which went ahead in late November of 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:04.680 1979. So the Pope went and visited Turkey. Really 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.980 upsets this guy. Paper also said that the killing 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:11.259 would be in revenge for then the still ongoing 00:20:11.259 --> 00:20:13.680 attacks on the ground. and mosque in Mecca, which 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.420 had begun on November 20th and which he blamed 00:20:16.420 --> 00:20:18.900 on the United States or Israel. didn't really 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:21.160 matter, one or the other, they're the same. Beginning 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:25.019 in August of 1980, Agsa, under the alias of Gil 00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:27.220 Perry, began criss -crossing the Mediterranean 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:29.900 region, altering passports and identities, perhaps 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:32.660 to hide his point of origin in Sofia, Bulgaria. 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:35.920 He entered Rome on May 10th, 1981. According 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.700 to Agsa's later testimony, he met with three 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:41.460 accomplices in Rome, one a fellow Turk and two 00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:43.839 Bulgarians, with the operation being commanded 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:47.839 by Zilo Vazila, the Bulgarian military attaché 00:20:47.589 --> 00:20:50.750 in Italy. He said that he was assigned this mission 00:20:50.750 --> 00:20:54.089 by Turkish mafioso Bakir Selenk in Bulgaria. 00:20:54.410 --> 00:20:57.990 According to Aksa, the plan was for him and the 00:20:57.990 --> 00:21:01.190 backup gunman Oral Selik to open fire on the 00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:04.049 Pope in St. Peter's Square and to escape to the 00:21:04.049 --> 00:21:06.190 Bulgarian embassy under the cover of the panic 00:21:06.190 --> 00:21:09.190 generated by a small explosion. On May 13th, 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:11.529 Aksa sat in the square waiting for the Pope to 00:21:11.529 --> 00:21:13.930 arrive. When the Pope passed through a crowd 00:21:13.930 --> 00:21:17.910 of supporters, Aksa fired four shots at 5 17 00:21:17.910 --> 00:21:20.809 p .m. and critically wounded him he fled the 00:21:20.809 --> 00:21:23.430 scene as the crowd was in shock and disposed 00:21:23.430 --> 00:21:25.910 of the pistol by throwing it under a truck but 00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.650 was grabbed by Vatican security chief Camillo 00:21:28.650 --> 00:21:32.119 Sabin a nun and several spectators who prevented 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.539 him from firing more shots and escaping, and 00:21:34.539 --> 00:21:37.339 he was arrested. By the way, if this was like 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:40.500 modern day, can you imagine like the rendition 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:43.900 on screen of this assassin being taken down by 00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:47.160 nuns and bishops? I'm surprised it hasn't been 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:50.960 made into a movie still, actually. Like specifically 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.460 a Steven Seagal movie. Wait, who does Steven 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:57.660 Seagal play? The nun. Oh yeah, that makes sense, 00:21:57.859 --> 00:22:00.440 it does. actually you know what it probably is 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.480 a made -for -tv movie in russia that guy's big 00:22:04.829 --> 00:22:09.150 It's true, or Bulgaria, too. Of the four bullets, 00:22:09.589 --> 00:22:12.609 two hit John Paul II. One struck him in the torso, 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:14.849 nearly missing vital organs, and a second hit 00:22:14.849 --> 00:22:18.450 his left index finger. What? Two bystanders were 00:22:18.450 --> 00:22:20.890 also injured. Anne Ordey of Buffalo, New York, 00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:23.690 was struck in the chest, and Rose Hall of Massachusetts 00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:26.410 was slightly wounded in the arm. The pope was 00:22:26.410 --> 00:22:28.289 immediately rushed to the hospital while the 00:22:28.289 --> 00:22:30.750 authorities combed the site for evidence. Salik 00:22:30.750 --> 00:22:33.069 panicked and fled without opening fire. That's 00:22:33.069 --> 00:22:37.039 the... I didn't know he was hit. Oh, yeah. He 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.599 probably was very close to death, like hitting 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.420 the organs. Yikes. Aksa was sentenced in July 00:22:43.420 --> 00:22:46.700 of 81 to life imprisonment for the assassination 00:22:46.700 --> 00:22:49.500 attempt, but was pardoned by Italian President 00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:55.640 Carlo Azziglio Ciampi in June 2000 at the Pope's 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.480 request. And Chelsea, there's going to be a little 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.539 bromance that happens here, which is going to 00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:02.460 just startle you. So we're just going to keep 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.349 going. He was then extradited to Turkey, where 00:23:05.349 --> 00:23:08.170 he was imprisoned for the 1979 murder of left 00:23:08.170 --> 00:23:11.529 -wing journalist Abdi Epeki, and two bank raids 00:23:11.529 --> 00:23:14.210 carried out in the 70s. Despite a plea for early 00:23:14.210 --> 00:23:17.009 release in November 2004, a Turkish court announced 00:23:17.009 --> 00:23:18.930 that he would not be eligible for release until 00:23:18.930 --> 00:23:21.269 2010. Nonetheless, he was released on parole 00:23:21.269 --> 00:23:25.029 in January of 2006. However, near the end of 00:23:25.029 --> 00:23:27.670 January of 2006, the Turkish Supreme Court ruled 00:23:27.670 --> 00:23:30.869 that his time served in Italy didn't count towards 00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:33.200 his prison sentence, so he had to go back to 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.640 jail the pope wanted to release him oh yeah no 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.220 the pope said release him from italian jail and 00:23:39.220 --> 00:23:40.900 then he went back to turkey and they put him 00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:43.559 back in jail the turks were just thinking logically 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.019 on that one they're like he's for sure criminal 00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:49.640 oh yeah just he killed the pope there was all 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:52.619 this other crimes we're not just gonna forgive 00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:55.619 him because this guy's clearly gonna do more 00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:59.069 shit But he did get released from jail on January 00:23:59.069 --> 00:24:03.690 18th, 2010 after 29 years in bars following the 00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:07.450 shooting. Pope John Paul II asked people to pray 00:24:07.450 --> 00:24:11.809 for my brother, Aksa, whom I have sincerely forgiven." 00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:15.690 In 1983, he and Aksa met and spoke privately 00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:19.710 at Rome's Robibia prison, where Aksa was being 00:24:19.710 --> 00:24:22.609 held. Aksa reportedly kissed the Pope's ring 00:24:22.609 --> 00:24:25.009 at the conclusion of their visit. The Pope was 00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.289 also in touch with Aksa's family over the years, 00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:31.049 meeting his mother in 1987 and his brother, Muzin 00:24:31.049 --> 00:24:34.079 Aksa, a decade later. Although Aksa was quoted 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.059 as saying that quote to me the pope was the incarnation 00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:39.779 of all that is capitalism end quote and attempted 00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:42.559 to murder him oxa developed a friendship with 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:45.279 the pontiff and in early february 2005 during 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.140 the pope's illness oxa sent a letter to the pope 00:24:48.140 --> 00:24:52.609 wishing him well I'm very confused about a lot 00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:55.630 of those things that you just said. It's a little 00:24:55.630 --> 00:24:58.809 confusing. Is that not like the most Jesus thing 00:24:58.809 --> 00:25:01.529 that you could do though? Yeah, but the thing 00:25:01.529 --> 00:25:03.670 that I find funny about it is the Pope's like, 00:25:03.829 --> 00:25:06.730 I forgive you, release him onto with back into 00:25:06.730 --> 00:25:09.829 the people. And then he just like does more bad 00:25:09.829 --> 00:25:11.549 shit. I think you're a little confused. He didn't 00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:14.369 do more bad shit. The bad shit that he did was 00:25:14.369 --> 00:25:17.609 pre attempting to murder the Pope. Oh, he did 00:25:17.609 --> 00:25:21.089 it before. It was in this second piece. I obviously 00:25:21.089 --> 00:25:24.369 needed to go to prison for his crimes it's not 00:25:24.369 --> 00:25:27.710 just I forgive you release him back into the 00:25:27.710 --> 00:25:30.750 people because I am the Pope and I forgive you 00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:33.650 yeah just like you said like this is so Jesus 00:25:33.650 --> 00:25:36.690 of him but like he still needs to pay for that 00:25:36.690 --> 00:25:39.670 crime by society standards so I just think it's 00:25:39.670 --> 00:25:42.410 funny that he thinks that he overrules that he's 00:25:42.410 --> 00:25:45.359 the freaking Pope as He says I'm family guy. 00:25:45.700 --> 00:25:48.240 The other comment I was gonna make is that I 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.660 love that this guy's like, fuck capitalism. I'm 00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:55.279 going after the pope, the center of capitalism. 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:58.039 Chelsea, he's not that off base when you look 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.960 at the history of Christianity in the Catholic 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:03.500 Church. No, I totally get it. I just think there's 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:07.099 probably like someone better to go after for 00:26:07.099 --> 00:26:10.019 capitalism than like the pope. Like I get they're 00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:12.759 corrupting, yeah, capitalism with the Catholic 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.589 Church as well. but I just feel like, symbolically, 00:26:15.730 --> 00:26:18.410 I would go after somebody else. I think there's 00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:21.630 a Luigi out there who had a better idea for thwarting 00:26:21.630 --> 00:26:24.329 capitalism. I was literally just thinking that. 00:26:24.369 --> 00:26:26.829 I think he chose a good one. You know what? Pope 00:26:26.829 --> 00:26:30.009 Luigi might not be a bad way to go. No! Going 00:26:30.009 --> 00:26:34.009 after an insurance CEO versus the Pope, maybe 00:26:34.009 --> 00:26:37.390 there was something with that too. So, I don't 00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:39.589 know. You're definitely gonna get more coverage 00:26:39.589 --> 00:26:42.079 on the Pope. Yeah, but you know what? If you 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.500 actually look at Pope Francis over the time of 00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:48.039 his reign, he actually, of modern popes, was 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.140 pretty anti -capitalist. He had a lot of statements 00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:55.180 about how pretty evil capitalism was. Yeah, I 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:58.180 mean, you can say it, but still lead the Catholic 00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:03.819 Church. Yeah, you can, but at least people point 00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:07.359 their guns at insurance CEOs instead of people. 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:11.440 It just makes you a liar. I'm all for Popino. 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.700 I just need to do an aside right now. Popino's 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:17.500 the people's pope. That just felt so nice on 00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:20.680 my lips to see. No, you gotta be people pope. 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:27.940 Yeah, Popino's the people's pope. Pope Eeple's 00:27:27.940 --> 00:27:30.460 Pope. That's a great one. Eeple Pope. I know. 00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:35.359 It's really nice. Yeah. I hope that they consider 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.400 that in my application to be the Pope. If you 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.839 don't take Popino, take Eeple's Pope. I'm Popino 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:47.619 the People's Pope. But like Pope Francis did 00:27:47.619 --> 00:27:51.980 things like he would be given a Lamborghini and 00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:55.099 he would autograph it and then auction it off 00:27:55.099 --> 00:27:59.369 to charity. Okay, I was like, uh, the Pope driving 00:27:59.369 --> 00:28:02.769 around in a Lamborghini sounds real nice. It 00:28:02.769 --> 00:28:04.670 actually does if he has to wear the hat, like 00:28:04.670 --> 00:28:08.150 part of the contract. Oh, yeah. And he was in 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:12.849 like, he was in daily contact with the Gazan 00:28:12.849 --> 00:28:16.650 church heads to make sure people were doing okay 00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:22.109 there. Which is like outstanding for him. Yeah, 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:24.269 I was actually like one of the one of the last 00:28:24.269 --> 00:28:26.410 things he was doing was calling like talking 00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:28.109 really I was gonna make sure they were doing 00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:31.089 okay Interesting, which they weren't but he was 00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:34.130 at least trying to do something I mean it does 00:28:34.130 --> 00:28:37.569 take a lot of self -control as a pope to not 00:28:37.569 --> 00:28:43.509 just get in that one of the people in Gaza who 00:28:43.509 --> 00:28:48.329 are dying Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. He wins with 00:28:48.329 --> 00:28:53.210 me on that one. Yeah, but Like from this assassination 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:55.369 attempt we talked about Chelsea the weird thing 00:28:55.369 --> 00:28:59.390 is like what's like he kind of vaguely said there 00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:02.130 was a motive behind it but it's kind of weird 00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:04.349 just like oh yeah he's capitalist so we got to 00:29:04.349 --> 00:29:09.009 shoot him. It's kind of vague so obviously conspiracy 00:29:09.009 --> 00:29:12.589 theories jump up around this. So several theories 00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:15.069 exist concerning August's assassination attempt. 00:29:15.430 --> 00:29:18.309 One which was initially propagated in the American 00:29:18.309 --> 00:29:21.769 media and strongly advocated Since the early 00:29:21.769 --> 00:29:25.470 1980s by Michael Leaden and Ladine and Claire 00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:28.269 Stirling, among others, was the assassination 00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:32.289 attempt originated from Moscow and the KGB had 00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:34.430 instructed the Bulgarian and East German Secret 00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:39.390 Service to carry out the mission. The Bulgarian 00:29:39.390 --> 00:29:41.309 Secret Service was allegedly instructed by the 00:29:41.309 --> 00:29:44.890 KGB to assassinate the Pope because of his support 00:29:44.890 --> 00:29:50.920 of Poland's Solidarity Movement. the most significant 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.480 threats to Soviet hegemony in Eastern Europe. 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:58.319 However, Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman instead 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.539 termed this as a spread of disinformation in 00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:03.359 the news in their book Manufacturing Consent. 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.279 I'm guessing if you're listening to our podcast, 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.059 you've read that book. It is a highly influential 00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:13.789 book. What is it called again? Manufacturing 00:30:13.789 --> 00:30:17.529 consent. It's really important for understanding 00:30:17.529 --> 00:30:21.390 how mainstream media works, particularly in the 00:30:21.390 --> 00:30:27.410 1980s moving forward. So as there was no evidence 00:30:27.410 --> 00:30:30.569 to support this claim, Wolfgang Ochner of The 00:30:30.569 --> 00:30:33.130 Independent dubs this as one of the most successful 00:30:33.130 --> 00:30:36.690 cases, certainly the most publicized of disinformation, 00:30:36.869 --> 00:30:39.009 basically saying this was just to make the USSR 00:30:39.009 --> 00:30:42.009 look bad. Not a lot of evidence behind this theory. 00:30:43.809 --> 00:30:47.730 Now, OXA himself gave multiple conflicting statements 00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:50.029 on the assassination at different times. His 00:30:50.029 --> 00:30:53.910 attorney, Antonio Marini, stated, OXA, quote, 00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:57.410 OXA has manipulated all of us, telling us hundreds 00:30:57.410 --> 00:31:00.529 of lies, continually changing versions, forcing 00:31:00.529 --> 00:31:03.109 us to open tens of different investigations, 00:31:03.650 --> 00:31:06.190 end quote. Originally, OXA claimed to be a member 00:31:06.190 --> 00:31:10.039 of the Monk the marxist popular front for the 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.619 liberation of palestine but that group denied 00:31:12.619 --> 00:31:15.400 that he would ever had ties to them that doesn't 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.779 seem congruent with what you said about the pope 00:31:17.779 --> 00:31:21.240 and gaza different pope pope francis like the 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:27.180 most recent one oh okay i totally misread that 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.539 Following the assassination attempt, Aksa made 00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:32.680 claims while in custody that prior to the attempt, 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.759 he had made several trips to Sofia, Bulgaria, 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.539 where he claimed to have had contact with a Bulgarian 00:31:38.539 --> 00:31:41.140 agent in Rome, whose cover was the Bulgarian 00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:43.660 National Airline Office. Soon after the shooting, 00:31:44.059 --> 00:31:47.099 Sergei Antonov, a Bulgarian working in Rome for 00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:50.039 Balkan Air, was arrested based on Aksa's testimony 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.000 and accused of being a Bulgarian agent who mastermind 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.740 bought. In 1986, after a three -year trial, he 00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:58.619 was found not guilty. According to the CIA's 00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:01.660 Chief of Staff in Turkey, Paul Henze, Agsa later 00:32:01.660 --> 00:32:04.539 stated that in Sofia, he was once approached 00:32:04.539 --> 00:32:07.660 by the Bulgarian Secret Service and Turkish Mafiosi 00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:10.359 who offered him 3 million German marks to assassinate 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.299 the Pope. Some writers, including Edward S. Herman, 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.039 co -authored with Frank Brodhead of the Rise 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.240 and Fall of the Bulgarian Connection, and Michael 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.839 Parenti believed Agsa's story was dubious as 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.839 Agsa made no claims of Bulgarian involvement 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.279 until he had been isolated in solitary confinement 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.420 and visited by Italian military intelligence. 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.440 On September 25th, 1991, former CIA analyst Melvin 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.119 Goodman claimed that his colleagues following 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.960 orders had falsified their analysis to support 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.380 the accusations. He declared to the U .S. Senate 00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:44.680 Intelligence Committee that, quote, the CIA hadn't 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.319 any proof, end quote, concerning this alleged, 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.759 quote, Bulgarian connection, end quote. Neither 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.980 the Severino -Santiapisci Court nor the investigation 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:56.730 by Judge Franco Ionta found evidence that the 00:32:56.730 --> 00:32:59.349 Italian intelligence planted Agsa's story. A 00:32:59.349 --> 00:33:02.369 French lawyer, Christian Roulette, which is a 00:33:02.369 --> 00:33:04.750 really weird name. Yeah, so? I don't know, it 00:33:04.750 --> 00:33:07.049 sounds like a game, just Christian Roulette, 00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:09.210 who authored books blaming Western intelligence 00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:11.529 agencies for the assassination attempt, testified 00:33:11.529 --> 00:33:14.369 in court that the documentary evidence he referred 00:33:14.369 --> 00:33:17.930 to actually did not exist. A French newspaper, 00:33:18.269 --> 00:33:21.269 Le Monde Diplomatique, alleged that Abdullah 00:33:21.269 --> 00:33:25.400 Qatli, the leader of the Grey Wolves, had organized 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.359 the assassination attempt in exchange for the 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.980 sum of 3 million German marks for the Grey Wolves. 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.799 In Rome, Cotley declared to the judge in 1985 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.980 that he had been contacted by the BND, the German 00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:39.619 intelligence agency, which would have promised 00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:42.440 him a nice sum of money if he implicated the 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.359 Russian and Bulgarian services in the assassination 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.000 attempt against the Pope. According to Colonel 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.019 Alparslan Turks, the founder of the Grey Wolves, 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.299 Catley has cooperated in the frame of a Secret 00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:56.900 Service working for the good of the state." End 00:33:56.900 --> 00:33:58.539 quote. Unfortunately, I don't know who the Grey 00:33:58.539 --> 00:34:00.359 Wolves are. I think it's just like a terrorist 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.880 group within Turkish areas. Next up, according 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.940 to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, and 00:34:07.940 --> 00:34:09.880 yeah, there's gonna be a lot of mispronunciations 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.519 in this one. Our friend on Spotify is gonna like 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.360 us a lot on this one. Documents recovered from 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.900 former East German intelligence services confirmed 00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:20.579 the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John 00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.860 Paul II was ordered by Soviet KGB and assigned 00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:26.659 to Bulgarian and East German agents with the 00:34:26.659 --> 00:34:29.619 Stasis to coordinate the operation and cover 00:34:29.619 --> 00:34:32.900 up the traces afterwards. Marcus Wolff, former 00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:36.420 Stasi spymaster denied any links and stated that 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.300 the files had already been sent in 1995. In March 00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:42.550 2006, pending the 2006 Italian general election 00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:46.489 held in April, the controversial Matrocan Commission, 00:34:46.769 --> 00:34:49.269 set up by Silvio Berlusconi and headed by Forza 00:34:49.269 --> 00:34:52.289 Italia Senator Taolo Guzzanti, supported once 00:34:52.289 --> 00:34:55.389 again the Bulgarian theory, which had been denounced 00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:58.090 by John Paul II during this travel to Bulgaria. 00:34:58.489 --> 00:35:00.849 Guzzanti stated that the leaders of the former 00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:03.210 Soviet Union were behind the assassination attempt, 00:35:03.349 --> 00:35:05.869 alleging that the leadership of the Soviet Union 00:35:05.869 --> 00:35:08.309 took the initiative to eliminate Pope John Paul. 00:35:08.429 --> 00:35:11.849 Because of his support for solidarity, relaying 00:35:11.849 --> 00:35:14.070 this decision to the military secret service, 00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:18.070 and not the KGB. The reports claim were based 00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:22.070 on recent computer analysis of photographs that 00:35:22.070 --> 00:35:24.829 purported to demonstrate Antonov's presence in 00:35:24.829 --> 00:35:27.070 St. Peter's Square during the shooting and on 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:29.329 information brought by French anti -terrorist 00:35:29.329 --> 00:35:32.550 judge Jean -Louis Brugier, a controversial figure 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:36.050 whose last feat was to indict Rwandese president 00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:38.969 Paul Kagame on the grounds that he had deliberately 00:35:38.969 --> 00:35:42.070 provoked the 1994 Rwanda genocide against his 00:35:42.070 --> 00:35:44.269 own ethnic group in order to take power. According 00:35:44.269 --> 00:35:47.650 to Le Figaro, Brugier, who was in close contact 00:35:47.650 --> 00:35:50.489 with both Moscow and Washington DC, including 00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:52.789 intelligence agents, was accused by many of his 00:35:52.789 --> 00:35:55.630 colleagues of privileging the reason of state 00:35:55.630 --> 00:35:58.409 over law. Both Russia and Bulgaria condemned 00:35:58.409 --> 00:36:01.190 the report. Foreign Ministry spokesman Dmitry 00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:05.210 Zancev said for Bulgaria, this case closed with 00:36:05.210 --> 00:36:08.030 the course decision in Rome in March of 1986. 00:36:08.349 --> 00:36:11.389 He recalled the Pope's dismissive comments during 00:36:11.389 --> 00:36:14.829 his May 2002 visit to Bulgaria. Guzzanti said 00:36:14.829 --> 00:36:17.090 that the Commission had decided to reopen the 00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:19.150 report's chapter on the assassination attempt 00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:22.409 in 2005 after the Pope wrote in his last book, 00:36:22.590 --> 00:36:25.429 Memory and Identity, Conversations Between Millenniums. 00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:27.869 The Pope wrote that he was convinced the shooting 00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:31.900 was not AGSA's initiative and that quote, someone 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:34.539 else had masterminded it and someone else commissioned 00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:37.960 it, end quote. Wow! The Mitch Rukin commission 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.579 also alleged Romano Prodi, a former prime minister 00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:44.480 of Italy, was the KGB's man in Italy. At the 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.940 end of December 2006, Mario Scaramella, one of 00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:50.539 the main informers of Guzzanti, was arrested 00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:53.239 and charged among other things of defamation. 00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:56.679 Cited by La Repubblica, Rome's prosecutor Pietro 00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.940 Salviti, who was in charge of the investigations 00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:02.400 concerning Scaramella, showed that Niccolo Pallari, 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:05.039 head of the Italian Secret Service, the Italian 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.360 Military Intelligence Agency, and indicted in 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.840 Abu Omar case, as well as Sismi No. 2 Marco Mancini, 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.800 who was arrested in July 6 for the same reason, 00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:17.260 or some of the informers long -sized Scaramela. 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.219 of Guzanti. Milan's judges Armando Spattaro, 00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:24.460 man these Italian names. I'm sorry it's just 00:37:24.460 --> 00:37:27.920 this many of them at once. I did notice that. 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:31.719 Milan's judges Armando Spattaro in charge of 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.980 the Abu Omar case and Guido Salvini as well as 00:37:35.980 --> 00:37:39.420 La Repubblica's reporter Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe 00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.699 Davosno who discovered the yellow cake forgery 00:37:42.699 --> 00:37:46.409 affair which I don't know what that is. That 00:37:46.409 --> 00:37:48.949 is a great title. The investigation also showed 00:37:48.949 --> 00:37:51.690 a connection between Scaramella and the CIA, 00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:54.789 in particular through Filippo Marino, one of 00:37:54.789 --> 00:37:57.590 Scaramella's closest partners since the 1990s 00:37:57.590 --> 00:37:59.650 and co -founder of the Environmental Crime Prevention 00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:02.190 Program, who came to live in the United States 00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:05.429 in an interview Marino acknowledged an association 00:38:05.429 --> 00:38:08.369 with the former and active CIA officers, including 00:38:08.369 --> 00:38:11.690 Robert Lady, former CIA station chief in Milan, 00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:15.550 indicted by prosecutors Armando Spataro for having 00:38:15.550 --> 00:38:19.230 coordinated the abduction of Ahsan Mustafa Osama 00:38:19.230 --> 00:38:23.269 Nasr that led to Abu Omar's case. In 2009, journalists 00:38:23.269 --> 00:38:25.889 and former US Army military intelligence officer 00:38:25.889 --> 00:38:28.750 John O 'Keller published spies in the Vatican, 00:38:28.909 --> 00:38:31.170 the Soviet Union's Cold War against the Catholic 00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:34.469 Church, mining mostly East German and Polish 00:38:34.469 --> 00:38:37.230 secret police archives. Kohler claims the attempt 00:38:37.230 --> 00:38:40.539 was KGB -backed and gave details in his book. 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:43.099 And the date of the attempted assassination, 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.599 May 13, 1981, was the 64th anniversary of the 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.800 apparition of the Virgin Mary to the children 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:54.119 at Fatima on May 13, 1987. On May 13, 2000, Cardinal 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.880 Angelo Sedano gave a public address in which 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.519 he linked then as yet unreleased third secret 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.079 of Fatima to the assassination attempt, while 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.900 describing the secret as a prophetic vision, 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:08.750 which does not describe the photographic clarity, 00:39:09.329 --> 00:39:12.050 the details of the future events, he also identified 00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:14.489 the prophecy's bishop clothed in white as the 00:39:14.489 --> 00:39:17.110 Pope, and repeated John Paul II's impression 00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:20.170 that a motherly hand had deflected Agsa's bullets. 00:39:20.449 --> 00:39:22.570 The Vatican revealed the text of the Third Secret 00:39:22.570 --> 00:39:27.809 itself the same year on June 22, 26, 2000. He 00:39:27.809 --> 00:39:30.349 still got hit twice. Yeah, he still got hit twice. 00:39:30.349 --> 00:39:33.269 The thing was deflected. Well, deflected from 00:39:33.269 --> 00:39:38.880 killing him, I think they would say. Okay. We 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.699 do not know if those bullets were deflected by 00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:46.300 them as a job. Sure, sure. And to other people 00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:52.010 less worthy of God's protection. While in prison 00:39:52.010 --> 00:39:55.710 on a remand, Aksa was widely reported to have 00:39:55.710 --> 00:39:58.170 developed an obsession with Fatima. During the 00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.489 trial, Aksa claimed that he was the second coming 00:40:00.489 --> 00:40:03.030 of Christ and called on the Vatican to release 00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:05.349 the Third Secret. His assassination attempt had 00:40:05.349 --> 00:40:09.269 also come only 11 days after hijacking the Arlingus 00:40:09.269 --> 00:40:13.070 Flight 164 by Lawrence James Doney, an ex -monk 00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:15.309 who demanded the release of the Third Secret. 00:40:15.510 --> 00:40:18.070 On March 31, 2005, just two days prior to the 00:40:18.070 --> 00:40:20.230 Pope's death, Aksa gave an interview to the Italian 00:40:20.170 --> 00:40:22.769 newspaper L 'Republica and he claimed to be working 00:40:22.769 --> 00:40:24.869 on a book about the assassination attempt, L 00:40:24.869 --> 00:40:28.010 'Republica quoted Agsa claiming at length that 00:40:28.010 --> 00:40:30.030 he had accomplices in the Vatican who helped 00:40:30.030 --> 00:40:32.369 him with the assassination attempt saying quote 00:40:32.369 --> 00:40:35.730 the devil is inside Vatican's walls and quote 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:39.090 John Paul did release the third secret of Fatima 00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:42.550 but I cannot find oh hold on here it is no no 00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:45.150 that's not it I want to know the secret but Chelsea 00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:47.630 I think that's a reasonable spot to end this 00:40:47.630 --> 00:40:51.530 episode yeah I do like how many different options 00:40:51.530 --> 00:40:54.349 there are just with these two people and their 00:40:54.349 --> 00:40:56.369 conspiracies about things that happen to them. 00:40:56.489 --> 00:40:59.190 They're not that far apart like a four year time 00:40:59.190 --> 00:41:01.710 span to have this many conspiracies about the 00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:03.329 pope and all the different options that come 00:41:03.329 --> 00:41:05.590 about with it. It's great. It is great. There's 00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:07.829 so many. We've already done an episode about 00:41:07.829 --> 00:41:10.409 this so this would be a continuation and we could 00:41:10.409 --> 00:41:13.369 just continue. We could be a pope secret podcast 00:41:13.369 --> 00:41:15.670 but we're not. We're really good. We won't though. 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.340 Really, we could just make it like Pope -Nazi 00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:20.699 connections. And that could be our podcast from 00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:23.659 here on out. You would miss out on all the assholes 00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:26.699 in the UFO community, which is our true passion. 00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:30.059 We need those to breathe, yes. But anyhow, I 00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.800 had fun with that. 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