From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a Journey to the Fringe. Treat us as a
simulator to there. Now today is a Chelsea episode,
so I don't have much of a segue from there, but
Chelsea can take over from here and segue beautifully,
I'm sure. No time to waste. I'm jumping right
in with no segue. A near -death experience. NDE
is a profound personal experience associated
with death or impending death. And positive,
which the great majority are, such experiences
may encompass a variety of sensations including
detachment from the body, feelings of levitation,
total serenity, security, warmth, joy, the experience
of absolute disillusion. review of major life
events, the presence of light, and seeing dead
relatives. While there are common elements, people's
experiences and their interpretations of these
experiences generally reflect their cultural,
philosophical, or religious beliefs. NDEs usually
occur during reversible clinical death. We would
have no way of otherwise knowing on irreversible
clinical death. Wait, are they saying that there's...
In clinics, they're putting people in death experiences
and bringing them back? It's actually. It's kind
of what it sounds like. It's science. It's science.
Science does that, I assume. Explanations for
NDEs vary from scientific to religious. Tons
of people out there speculate on what it is.
Other things are like the brain releases DMT,
so on. This episode isn't about that, so don't
even worry about it. Worth noting that some transcendental
and religious beliefs about the afterlife include
descriptions similar to NDEs. Now, while many
NDE 'ers consider their close brushes with death
positive, 22 % report having negative near -death
experiences. By this time you may think that
we're talking about NDE's today. Which I did,
yes. be right okay but more specifically we're
gonna be talking today about distressful negative
NDEs and just what that looks like oh good it's
gonna be terrifying I found out there's actually
a lot of research out there on it not as much
as regular NDEs those people don't like to talk
about the negative NDEs stuff and so I had to
par it down actually for this episode and I'm
not going to get that much into the research
itself maybe a little bit. Today I want to focus
on just what can be experienced and some of the
NDEs themselves. With that being said let's talk
about some of the scientific research. Most research
into NDEs in the 1970s and 1980s focused on pleasant
experiences. It wasn't until the 90s that wider
attention to distressing NDEs began. The first
modern description of a terrifying hellish NDE
comes from Delacour's research in 1974. and they
described fiery pits and eyeless figures. It
later may have been considered possibly fictional.
That's Delacour for you. Then Rawlings1978, yes
these are people I left out their first name,
who described the hellish NDEs that they were
looking into as hellish scenes with grotesque
beings, violence and demonic torture. Noted High
variability between what they're experiencing
with these. Lindley et al, 1981, described extreme
fear, panic, anger, and visions of demonic creatures.
Gallop and Proctor, 1982, which really sounds
like a shampoo company. Yeah, it does. Rare reports
with emotionless faces, confusion, discomfort,
and fear of annihilation. Grey, 1985, explains
intense fear, loneliness, mental anguish, and
a hell -like experience with evil forces and
demonic encounters. Atwater, 1992, describes
negative NDE experiencers were experiencing cold,
dark, violent settings with lifeless figures,
emotional distress, and a fight to survive. These
guys all did research into these negative NDE
experiences. Obviously, they don't sound good
at all to be going through. Kinda shitty. Kinda
shitty. Yeah. Really kinda shitty. And researchers
ate melua and quinunin, used interpretive phenom
- phenomenological analysis to deeply explore
the personal meaning and lived experience of
eight individuals who had distressing NDEs with
a goal in mind to understand the themes that
emerged from their narratives. This is all very
scientific. Let's take a look at the key themes
identified from their research. So number one
is fear, which was present in seven out of eight
experiences. I don't know what the fuck was wrong
with the last guy. That was the most common feeling.
Number two is confusion, which appeared in three
out of eight cases. People didn't understand
what was happening, probably why it was happening
as well, as we'll see in a theme that pops up
with the experiences. Number three, described
in four out of eight cases, was a dark realm,
often identified as hell. To be fair, that's
probably cultural, is the problem. I was gonna
comment that, yeah. All this is gonna be, okay.
I don't know what, I would probably even consider
it that if I was to see something like that.
Yeah, but the thing is, that's cultural to us.
So unfortunately, unless we're getting things
from other countries, say like Asia and Africa,
we're not going to know if it's just be misinterpreting
the same thing. because of our look. That's a
very good point to bring up right now. This is
a very American, North America point of view
on this. Very. I did not look outside at all.
Number four, which in three out of eight cases,
they felt a judgment by God. They felt judged
as unworthy. The next is self judgment. Some
judge themselves as unworthy in two out of eight
cases. Number six is a loss of control they felt
out of control and five out of eight experiences
a minority two out of eight people had a sense
of control During this huh number eight was a
pleading for divine help Which is weird because
one person is missing out of there. Maybe there's
just no feeling of control either way Yeah, it
sounds like it if I can do in my math, correct
this to equals seven. Yes Number eight, pleading
for divine help reported in two out of eight
experiences. Number nine, being rescued without
asking also occurred in two of eight cases. And
that finally the last one was feeling alone and
rejected mentioned in two out of eight narratives.
So that was the least common. I want to confirm
that it sounds like pleading for help in those
situations actually does pay off because two
out of eight did it and then two out of eight
had divine intervention. But we'll never know
if it's the same two out of eight. I choose to
assume. While aspects of negative death experiences
are similar to positive ones, they kind of have
similar components just kind of on the opposite
end of the spectrum. The negative end years relate
a highly distressing experience. I think you've
gathered that by now. So they've also quantified
the type of negative NDEs that have identified
by the researchers doing this research, taking
them all together and saying these are the core
kind of experiences that people are having and
if you're lucky on some of them I have examples
to go with them. The first is called the inverse
NDE, and this takes place when the common, pleasant
features of near -death experiences are not at
all pleasant. For example, seeing a white light,
as is common within regular, happy NDE, which
is often a source of comfort and peace, light
beings, floating sensation, etc. However, in
the inverse NDE, the white light might appear
threatening and bring on panic and depression.
Researchers believe these NDE are due to a person
being in shock at what's happening to them. This
is the most common distressing NDE type. So let's
talk specifics. I have a report by a 27 year
old woman. quote suddenly i became aware that
something really strange was happening it was
as if i had been pulled up and away from my body
and i found myself watching my doctor and his
nurse working on my body from a corner of the
room near the ceiling i was startled at being
able to hover above like that and i wanted to
feel in control of my situation but i was unable
to do anything except watch helplessly i made
some attempts to get the attention of the other
two in the room but they were totally oblivious
to anything I was saying to them. Then I found
myself no longer in the room, but traveling through
a tunnel, slowly at first, then picking up speed
as I went. As I entered the tunnel, I began hearing
the sound of an engine, the kind that operates
heavy machinery. Then, as I was moving slowly,
I could hear voices on each side of my head,
the voices of people whom I'd known before because
they were vaguely familiar. About this time,
I became frightened, so I didn't concentrate
on trying to recognize any of the voices. I found
myself growing more and more afraid as the speed
picked up and I realized that I was headed towards
the pinpoint of light at the end of a tunnel.
The thought came to me that this was probably
what it was like to die. I decided then and there
that I wanted to go no further and I tried to
backpedal, stop and turn around but to no avail.
I could control nothing and the pinpoint of light
grew larger and larger. Before I knew it the
light exploded all around me. My attitude at
this time was quite terrified. I did not want
to be there and I was determined that I was not,
by God, going to stay. So that's an inverse NDE.
Interesting. Yeah, it gets worse from here. Yeah,
I can believe that. That one was actually pretty
tame for what you've been describing. Yeah, I
can only imagine that feeling though. You'd be
in a weird place. That's for sure. And feeling
those feelings, I can't discount it as being
terrifying. It just doesn't seem that bad because
I know what's coming. The second type of distressing
NDE they refer to as void. In this NDE a person
may find themselves in a void of emptiness. The
person may feel isolation, loneliness, discomfort,
and despair here. In some cases the person may
simply feel neutral feelings instead. Interpreters
of this believe it could be a person not going
through a deep enough NDE or it being a precursor
to the traditional NDE that follows. Others interpret
this void as some state of hell or purgatory.
Here is one such account quote I was suddenly
surrounded by total blackness floating in nothing
but black space no up no down left or right what
seemed like an eternity went by I fully lived
it in this misery I was only allowed to think
and reflect end quote I have another one. A woman
in childbirth found herself abruptly flying over
the hospital and into deep empty space. A group
of circular entities informed her she never existed
and that she had been allowed to imagine her
life, but it was a joke. She was not real. She
argued with facts about her life and descriptions
of Earth. No, they said none of that had ever
been real. This is all there was and she was
left alone in space. Wow. Yeah, that one is particularly
crazy. Another woman in childbirth felt herself
floating on water, but at a certain point it
was no longer a peaceful feeling, she said. I
felt the aloneness, the emptiness of space, the
vastness of the universe except for me, a mere
ball of light screaming. That is terrifying.
Another example. A woman who attempted suicide
felt herself sucked into a void. Quote, I was
being drawn into the dark abyss, a tunnel, a
void. I was not aware of my body as I know it.
I was terrified. I felt terror. I had expected
nothingness. I expected the big sleep. I expected
oblivion. I found now that I was going to another
plane and it frightened me. I wanted nothingness,
but this force was pulling me somewhere I didn't
want to go, but I never got beyond the fog."
End quote. Last one for the void. A man who was
attacked by a hitchhiker felt himself rise out
of his body. Quote, I suddenly was surrounded
by total blackness floating in nothing but black
space. No up, no down, no left, no right. What
seemed like an eternity went by. I fully lived
it in its misery. I was only allowed to think
and reflect. Oh, I have another one. Don't you
worry. I have another void example. Last one,
for real this time. A 26 year old woman. I passed
through different stages of torment. Voices were
laughing at me, telling me all of life was a
dream, that there was no heaven, no hell or earth,
really, and that all I had experienced in life
was actually a hallucination. I passed through
the stage of terrible thirst. that's a stage
and the voices kept laughing at me and telling
me you think this is bad wait till the next stage
i found myself hurtling towards the final torment
i was to be suspended in a total vacuum with
nothing to see or do for eternity i was naked
and i was sad about that because i thought if
only i had clothing i could pull the threads
and knot them and reweave them for something
to do and if only i were sitting in a chair i
could splinter it and try to make something of
the splinters and then the overwhelming realization
that eternity was forever and ever time without
end what to do in a vacuum forever after all
these years the nightmare remains vivid in my
mind I assure you the worst form of hell in my
mind at least would be myself suspended naked
in a vacuum that's the last one from the void
and I put that one in because isn't it crazy
that there's more than one experience of them
being told that like that wasn't real, what you
just experienced. Yeah, it really lines up with
a few descriptions of how the world works with
a what's it called. hologram theory is that what
that is basically our whole entire universe is
made up are you thinking of oh damn it now that
i want to put my input i've left it too like
the matrix like uh yeah it's almost it's hologram
theory something along those lines yeah damn
it okay moving on that's gonna bother me number
three is hellish just like it sounds hellish
ndes are an experience of the simulation theory
Hellish, just like they sound. Hellish NDEs are
an experience of the common perceptions of hell.
This is the least common type, but has been shown
to occur in quite a few of NDEs cross -culturally.
This NDE represents the classical imagery of
demons, monsters, taunts, people change, suffering,
darkness, smell, fire, etc. Many of experiences
remember it for years and are still disturbed
by it unless they can make some meaning out of
it. I feel like all of these would stick with
somebody so for them to point it out on this
one that it sticks with them for years probably
means a little bit more than that, because I
would assume being told that none of this is
real would stick with you for a while. Yeah,
me too. It would be life changing. But in a different
way than I was tortured for eternity and then
I was returned to this life. I mean, but if you
never experienced both of them, like, I would
assume that one would stay with you kind of equally
because you never experienced the other, right?
Yeah, fair enough. So here's a report of a hellish
NDE. quote when i reached the bottom it resembled
the entrance to a cave with what looked like
webs hanging i heard cries wails moans and the
gnashing of teeth i saw these beings that resembled
humans with the shape of a head and body but
they were ugly and grotesque they were frightening
and sounded like they were tormented in agony
end quote Next one. Oh, I got a lot of these
ones for you. A man in heart failure felt himself
falling into the depths of the earth. At the
bottom was a set of high rusty gates, which he
perceived as the gates of hell. Panic stricken,
he managed to scramble back up to daylight. Yikes.
He escaped hell. We didn't want him back. And
while going through a heart attack nonetheless.
I'm kidding. A woman was being escorted through
a frighteningly desolate landscape and saw a
group of wandering spirits. They looked lost
and in pain, but her guide indicated she was
not allowed to help them. Atheistic, not aesthetic,
an atheistic university professor with an intestinal
rupture experience being maliciously pinched
then torn apart by malevolent beings. That would
fucking suck. Huh, they really - They escalated
quickly. Yeah, that one reminds me of Hellraiser.
Yeah. Next, a woman who hemorrhaged from a ruptured
fallopian tube reported an NDE involving, quote,
horrific beings with gray gelatinous appendages
grasping and clawing at me. The sounds of their
guttural moaning and indescribable stench still
remain 41 years later. There was no benign being
of light, no life video, nothing beautiful or
present, end quote. Oh, review of life is what
she means. That's pretty crazy that there's a
stench. Yeah. Well, and it's generally I have
heard about that stench. It's the smell of rotten
eggs. Yeah, like sulfur, right? That's sulfur.
Yeah. Which is also the smell associated with
UFOs sometimes. Yes. Which is weird. And it does
come up again in this episode. OK. Next, a 26
year old woman. Instantly I started plummeting
downward, falling into darkness, a horrible endless
black space. Imagine standing in an elevator
and all of a sudden the floor drops out and down
you go. That terrible sensation of falling. I
was terrified in the darkness that surrounded
me, but very aware of the horrible pain burning
and searing my entire body, agonizing pain beyond
description that would never leave. There were
the tortured screams of others, but I could see
nothing but darkness. There was no fire, just
this dreadful burning pain all over every part
of me, and I knew that this was hell. I felt
hopeless, knowing this was for eternity. There
was no escape from the nightmare. I wouldn't
wake up, I wouldn't hit bottom and die, I wouldn't
be rescued by anyone, I would fall and burn in
this gruesome place forever and ever, screaming
out with all the other lost souls crying out
in the darkness, totally helpless as we fell
further into the pit of hell. Not even God entered
into this place and the torture would go on forever
and ever and ever. There was no way to describe
the terror that filled me, realizing that I actually
sent myself to hell through my choice of not
believing. I had chosen this. Chosen not to believe
in God, I felt a separation as if I had never
existed. There is no lonelier place that's separation
from God. I saw no flames, just total darkness
and the sensation of burning. I heard many people
screaming, but I saw no one. It was a dark, desolate,
horrible place with no hope of escape. I felt
the hopelessness of being lost in torment, separated
from God for eternity. So that is the hellish
one, I believe. I would be very curious, just
with that atheistic individual's background,
whether or not they came from a religious upbringing.
If that's where that deceit, that pain of not
believing in God came from or if it is something
that just spurred itself at the end of her life.
Yeah, we get into it a little bit. Obviously,
there's a lot of religious connotations that
come up in reference when it comes to hell in
heaven. Yeah, not just like one of these is called
hell and people consider it hell because they're
obviously getting it from somewhere. But that
Religion is pretty much what is there after this
life, right? People do things in this life for
what happens in the next realm. They want to
know that there's something beyond this life.
So I think it's really tied to religion for that
reason as well. I did have to sort through because
so many of these are filtered through even this
last one are filtered through a religious connotation
and a lot of people do go religious after this
stuff and a lot of religions use stuff like this
to say Look, you got to be good. You got to believe
in God. Yeah, and it does appear on Even on Reddit
when I was searching, most of what I was finding
were on Christian, Catholic, different religious
reddits, which I did stay away from, but that
was the majority of where I found anything on
Reddit. So lots of religious people talking about
stuff like this. I think it just goes hand in
hand. I think it proves people point one way
or the other. So Elwood, whoever the hell that
is, suggested in 1996 that subdividing the hellish
experiences into even more categories would serve
us better. So he or she proposed could be a moth
person. Who knows at this point. A. Those that
are entity -centered, including malevolent beings,
which Elwood thought were analogous to figures
sometimes encountered in schizophrenia and nightmares,
but no fire. And the other is those that are
fire -centered, including Hellfire, but no powerful
or malevolent beings, which Elwood thought were
analogous to the experiences of saints and mystics.
She also speculated that, with further research,
there may be a third subcategory of Hellish NDE,
characterized by neither malevolent beings nor
Hellfire, but rather a spinning vortex, which
we didn't even hear from. And we also found out
that Elwood is a Moth Sheet. I would like to
hear the spinning vortex's point of view. Too
bad. We should make it in. So now we move on
to a next classification of negative NDE, which
is a negative life review. And this can begin
with a pleasant or neutral experience and culminate
in a life review in which they perceive a lot
of negative events, which they find very disturbing
and painful. These are probably bad people reviewing
their life. It may even need to switch it off.
Can you do that with a life review? Apparently.
I've had enough of this click. What else is on?
This differs from other ND ears who may have
a life review and feel remorse at their deeds
But are comforted with compassion for them. It
would seem to differ from person to person It
is worthy to ponder the nature of why some have
more painful life reviews, which is less comforting
Some interpret that this could be to do with
weighty negative karma or deeds No examples of
that one. So you'll just have to trust me. Okay
number five hybrid NDE and these are NDE's which
a person may feel both positive and negative
aspects they may meet a being and feel comfort
with them but also witness distressing events
like seeing hellish realms I'm trying to make
a point here so I'm not even sharing these with
you they are not negative enough there's a positive
aspect to them Number six, which I believe is
the last one, is instructional. And in this category,
experiencers are led by a spirit guide to a realm
where they can witness deceased beings suffering
extreme agony in a hellish type of existence.
But the experiencers themselves are not subjected
to the agony of the witnessed beings. An example
of an instructional NDE was reported by a 27
-year -old woman. I think they're all 27 -year
-old women for some reason. Weird. I know. Is
this something that's just specific to that kind
of cohort? Maybe. They only took 27 -year -old
women witness testimonies, I guess. I looked
down upon the accident scene. I looked into my
car and saw myself trapped and unconscious. A
hand touched mine and I turned to see where this
peace and serenity was coming from and there
was Jesus Christ I mean the way he is made out
to be in all the paintings I was so not actually
looking like he was in real life yes the white
guy white Jesus to be clear I was led around
a well because I wanted to stay with him and
hold his hand. He led me from a side of bliss
to a side of misery. I did not want to look but
he made me look and I was disgusted and horrified
and scared. It was so ugly. The people were blackened
and sweaty and moaning in pain and chained to
their spots and I had to walk through the area
back to the well. one was even chained to the
evil side of the well the man was so skeptical
and in such pain the one chained to the evil
side of the well i wanted to help save him but
no one would and i knew that i would be one of
those creatures if i stayed i hated it there
i couldn't wait to get to the well and go around
it he led me to it but he made me go through
it alone as he watched someone else followed
me through and then stepped in front of me to
help me walk over the debris on the ground snakes
or something i never looked at this thing but
i know it was dark so those are all the experiences
and i want to let you know all of the experiences
that i just went here of ndes is all from the
research that i went through None of them are
reddit stories. They're all a part of the research.
I took them from different places, but they all
came from papers and stuff like that. For those,
we'll get to the reddit. Now, White Jesus seems
like kind of a dick, to be fair. I just kind
of gotta say that. I was always under the impression
that White Jesus always was. Is it just me? Yeah,
yeah. Okay. He's, yeah. Yeah. Responses vary
in regards to the negative NDE that experiencers
have had, from completely turning their life
around as a sort of get your act together response,
to explaining the experience away, to experiencing
PTSD type symptoms all over the board. For others,
it's cause for a deep reflection on their life
and reflecting on if they're a bad person. quote
the changes in personal beliefs can be setting
and disorienting and feelings of anger depression
or estrangement from family and friends have
been reported i can only imagine if you had an
nde in which it said none of this is real i would
think that you would feel a certain amount of
dissociation once you are alive again if you
come back from that i don't know why that one
really stays with me but i just feel like psychologically
i feel like that would be very damaging But that's
just me. There's a lot of other disturbing stuff
in this episode. Yeah, a lot. Well, to be fair,
weirdly, I have also like I was listening to
somebody talking about a near death experience
they went through and they said it's actually
really hard to cope with the fact that you are
alive and that you should like your brain has
processed that you are dead. So actually like
getting past that point is really hard. Yeah,
I could only imagine that. Yeah. Whatever you
experienced after that alone. Overwhelmingly,
their questions include some variant of quote,
what did I do to deserve this? Or what are the
rules if the rules I live by don't work? End
quote. I think that could be referring to a few
things such as thinking they ended up in hell
or the rule of, you know, just living your life.
Apparently that doesn't work because apparently
you weren't. in some cases live in any life.
There's a lot more research to not only the outcomes
but negative NDEs itself. Obviously I couldn't
put it all into the episode. A lot of it deeply
religious like I said but I wanted to focus obviously
more on the experiences because that's where
the money is. All the money. All the 20 bucks
we get. Bad MDEs are not exclusive to bad people.
They happen to both but honestly I'm not sure
how they measure that and I'm also not sure how
they We didn't hear whether or not any of these
experiencers were bad people or not I don't know.
I don't know how you would say someone it would
be intrinsically good or bad. Can I just add
at that point too? We don't know if it matters
whether or not they are intrinsically bad intrinsically
bad from like a universal perspective or if they
perceive themselves exactly exactly which I don't
think is something that has been talked about
too much here. No that's a very good point. From
the book Distress and Near Death Experiences
the basics quote No evidence supports the conventional
assumption that good people get pleasant NDE's
and bad people have distressing ones. Saints
have reported extremely disturbing NDE's while
felons and suicide attempters have encountered
bliss. I don't like that they put suicide attempter
under bad. Technically within the church they're
bad. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, which again, we're looking
at it from a religious perspective, although
we don't think we are. It's the West which is
Christian. Yep. So now we're gonna move on to
more NDE experiences. Yay! I hope that you have
a plan for something light after this and funny.
Hopefully the laughter will help get you through
this. A man thrown from his horse found himself
floating at treetop height. watching emergency
medical technicians work over his body quote
no no this isn't right he screamed put me back
but they did not hear him next he was shooting
through darkness toward a bright light flashing
past shadowy people who seemed to be deceased
family members waiting he was panic -stricken
by the bizarre scenario and his inability to
affect what was happening Next story, Veronica
Barthel says that after being struck by lightning
while driving her car one day in 1981, she was
instantly transported into hell where she found
demons escorting her into a big waiting room.
Quote, the creatures that I saw were more terrifying
than anything I ever saw in a horror movie. Today
I know that they were demons. As soldiers they
were marching past me and in the middle of them
were people that were screaming with pain. It
was very difficult to breathe down there because
of the terrible smell of this place. I saw a
lake which looked like the inner part of a volcano
where people were cursing because of great pain."
She says that she saw people being thrown into
caves which were guarded by demons, who threw
spears at them as they screamed. She also recalled
snakes being present all over the ground, which
were there to frighten and intimidate the people
in hell. After her experience Veronica found
herself transported back into her car where for
a moment She saw her own burning hands gripping
the steering wheel. Well, that was something
we did not need Veronica Next sighting here now.
We're at the reddit stories. Okay, and I should
say thankfully everybody whose stories we heard
they have survived We know that that's actually
a really good part of this episode to be honest
with you I'm really glad you brought that to
our attention user st. Chas 77 I remember a story
from years ago about a guy who was on the brink
of death and saw Shadow creatures attack him
trying to tear him in the pieces Not in a lake
of fire though. It was an atheist and the experience
made him a theist not a born -again Christian
next user Zushiba. My aunt died in the hospital
several years ago. She was clinically dead for
a few minutes. In that time she says she floated
above the operating table and saw them trying
to revive her. She says she felt a pull on her
and flew out through the very top of the room.
She remembered very clearly floating above the
light fixture on the ceiling and then there being
darkness. Suddenly she found herself floating
above the ground several inches just above a
field of dirt. In front of her was a very strange
large chasm. Deep, very dark. She couldn't see
the bottom of it from where she was. she was.
On the other side of the chasm was a beautiful
field, green grass, flowers, trees and sunlight.
On her side of the chasm, it was overcast and
very little light. No vegetation, just brown
dirt. She felt the same force that pulled her
out through the ceiling of the hospital start
pulling her across the chasm. As she started
floating over the chasm, these hands reached
out of the blackness and started pulling at her.
almost like ripping the flesh from her legs and
feet. She says it was the worst feeling of pain
and cold she ever experienced and it horrified
her. After what seemed like forever, she reached
the other side of the chasm and the hands went
away. The feeling of pain and terror was replaced
with the feeling of happiness and contentment
and warmth. Several family members that had been
dead for some time were there and they seemed
to be beckoning her over. She was lowing to the
field when she heard the doctor say something.
It sounded like it echoed very loudly from the
other side of the chasm. Suddenly the forest
pulled her across the chasm again, only this
time much faster that she had been pulled over
the first time. Again the hang came and again
the cold. The hands ripped at her and she felt
the pain she had felt before. Finally she came
to the dirt side of the chasm again, then blackness.
Then she was on the ceiling of her room in the
hospital again and she saw her body spasm violently
and her arm smacked the doctor's arm breaking
his watch. Her spirit was pulled back into her
body again and she heard him say something like
she's back and then blackness again. Several
hours later, she woke up and was pissed off at
first. Then she realized she was alive and she
thanked the doctor and apologized for breaking
his watch. He was surprised because when she
did that she was technically dead. I don't know
what she saw, but she was very descriptive of
what she thinks she saw. That was a little weird.
And I don't feel like she was dead when that
happened because she was moving around. If she
can move, yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. OK,
you're going to like this one because I like
the guy's name. User the fecal Jesus. Oh, good.
It's got to be good. I wonder what he has to
say about this. I've had a few friends who have
been in crazy accidents and have slipped into
comas as a result, so it's not really an NDE
here, but here we go. One said it was the most
peaceful experience ever. They had something
similar to the white light phenomenon where they
were floating above their body, seeing a bright
light, etc. Almost the same stereotypical experience.
The other had a completely different experience
that shook me a little. He said he saw demons
and creatures all sorts of crazy shit he even
said he felt pain and sorrow he said it was the
most horrific thing he's ever experienced both
of my friends aren't religious we're both in
comas and on heavy meds not sure of what exactly
i personally think a lot of it has to do with
the meds and how they affect different people
i taint no doctor but that's my diagnosis you
taint no doctor he's got a point user letter
pd 43 A few years before my dad passed away he
was stabbed three times by Muggers and died three
times on the operating table. Up until the day
that he offed himself he maintained that when
he briefly lost life he was crawling through
a wall to hell and was able to glance in and
see hell. I have hospice patients that say angels
come and visit them. One lady said there's a
little boy sitting at the foot of my bed saying
I'm gonna go soon. I have seen many people at
the end of their journey talking to dead relatives
that have passed. I have been in the room of
one elderly man who was terrified by what he
saw, pain and fire, what he perceived as hell.
He led a tumultuous life with no closure. He
hadn't spoken to his family in years. I don't
know if what he saw was real or just real to
him because of all the turmoil and unfinished
business in his life. That's kind of sad. This
one, it has to be one of my favorite ones. It's
so creepy. User Charles Deballis. At the hospice,
my grandma died and the nurses told a story about
some patients who just before they died, like
literally minutes before, complained about three
scary bald men in suits in the corner of the
room. Not really a lake of fire, but still interesting.
And someone commented on it, user SayShayLalu,
said, very interesting. I used to have waking
nightmares when I was younger and it was always
three figures in the corner waiting for me. Creepy!
I think we can all agree we don't want bureaucracy
to spill over to the afterlife. We want it to
be chaotic. We want it to be pointy, painful,
but not bureaucratic. That makes it worse! Few
more user not sure guy my grandfather had a near
-death experience where he says he saw st Peter
so st Peter asked where to and my grandfather
replied to heaven st Peter flips a lever and
my grandfather said he just felt piercing cold
and darkness He was a bad person in many ways.
He left my grandma mom when she was 10 I didn't
know him well at all, but that was his story
User Flegal66 The stepdad of an old ex -girlfriend
had an experience he swears by. It was one that
supposedly made him change his ways and turn
to being a devout Christian. He was a raging
alcoholic, abusive and destructive, got into
a serious car accident and was on the operating
table. Surgeon said that his heart actually stopped
for a few minutes. He claims that he saw himself
lying on the table with the doctors working on
him. then instead of seeing a light he saw total
blackness, could smell something burning sulfur,
and heard people screaming. The doctors told
him that at one point he screamed on the operating
table. There could be lots of other more reasonable
explanations for this, the most obvious being
that he was completely full of shit. But it's
a story nonetheless I was told, so given the
subject matter I felt I should share. User CC
Van. Yes, I've experienced this as well. It was
completely black though I wasn't alone, but it
was a distressing experience and not at all like
the beautiful serenity light everyone experiences.
It sucks because the distressing NDEs happen
often but are less talked about, but they're
out there. User fiasco 21 I had a clinical death
did not see any later fire I saw and I am NOT
shitting you big Crayolas falling down from the
sky That was my last memory until two months
later when I was in therapy because it left me
half paralyzed for months I like the Crayolas
of that but it took a turn at the end and became
worse that has to be the the tamest of the things
you've dealt with so far Yes, and I'm gonna leave
you off with a gooder for the last in the experience
and this is user deleted unfortunately but i
cannot give credit to which user on this one
my dad has died twice due to heart attacks he
says he saw new jersey he was not in new jersey
oh no i know the worst of all he did go to hell
and it wasn't minnesota right it was minnesota
go to hell michigan no minnesota is cold michigan
is also cold but go to hell michigan And that's
my episode. We need to watch a comedy now. We
need to watch a bet. Yeah, go enjoy life. Just
accept everything. Yes, go accept what David
Wilcox has become. It's quite delightful in such
a weird way. Do not give him money. Unless you're
plugging Journey to the Fringe. And give him
money so that he plugs it. And in any event,
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