From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
us on a Journey to the Fringe. I have been going
through our comments that people have left on
our episodes, Chelsea, and I just I need to restate
this just in case it's not clear. We do this
as a hobby for ourselves and we find ourselves
very funny. We laugh at ourselves. We are not
stopping this. This is our hobby. We are not
doing it for the money. It will continue this
way. Just kind of deal with it. OK, we are your
hilarious podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea here
today following up on our first part of the Edgar
Mitchell saga, which saw him as the hero of the
space people. Now, Chelsea. This is a weird way
to do a two -parter in that it is not recorded
directly beside each other, nor is it the last
episode we recorded. There may be a bit of time
where we're kind of forgetting what happened
in the first episode. But, do you remember kind
of where we left off with this? Oh yeah, he was
super boring. He went to space, he did that weird
psychic experiment that he wanted to do, and
then left, and then... Oh right, yeah, I had
no controls. Yeah, and then he opened up the
Institute of Noetic Sciences, and then... And
that's where we left off. To date. Weirdly enough,
no talks of UFOs or aliens in that episode. Right.
We are going to get there in this episode and
how he ends up as a fairly prominent name within
the UFO community. Despite what's going to happen
here, I do need to put a caveat in front here.
We are not very specifically looking at the Institute
of Noetic Sciences, nor Edgar Mitchell's involvement
with that, or how it might coalesce with his
view on aliens. What we are looking at is specifically
things that he has said about aliens outside
of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And yes,
I am very aware he had many views that likely
intertwined his views of aliens with his views
on telepathy and the universe at large. We're
going to have to forego those. Those might be
a different episode in the future, but you're
going to see how long this episode is. I couldn't
take Noetic science in here as well. So that's
just kind of how it goes. Fair enough. Right
off the bat, having said that, I'm gonna now
just kinda say a few things that connect noetic
science to everything that we're gonna be talking
about. Okay. So this comes from the Wikipedia
article on Edgar Mitchell. Journalist Annie Jacobson
has asserted that Mitchell's Mind Science Institute,
a Los Angeles, California based organization
ultimately subsumed by the Institute of Noetic
Sciences, was employed by the Central Intelligence
Agency as a surreptitious conduit for payments
to Andrea Puharich and Yuri Geller, while the
latter was evaluated by the SRI International
Research Group in 1972. In 1976, Mitchell attempted
to secure additional funding for the SRI Group's
remote viewing research in a private meeting
with then -Director of Central Intelligence,
George H .W. Bush, who knew Mitchell socially.
Although Bush demurred, he suggested the pursuit
of military sponsorship leading to the formation
of the Stargate Project in 1978. I just need
to establish that there that he does somewhat
have insider connections to people who are higher
up within the government. Like he has met and
had meetings with George W. Bush, Sr. Yeah, okay.
So from there, Chelsea, he went to space. in
the 70s. First interview I could find where he
actually talks about aliens or UFOs happens in
1996. Wow. So it's a long time from when he was
actually involved in the UFOs. I wouldn't even
remember being in space anymore. No, that's an
entire, somebody who graduated with the degree's
lifetime. The first time I could find him actually
talking about anything in space outside of NASA
with aliens or UFOs is Dateline, NBC, April 19th,
1996. Interesting choice. Yes. And I took a very
specific part of this interview. And this, a
lot of this is going to be interviews that he
did here onwards. Okay? Okay. So he's interviewed
by a guy named Murphy. It's a transcript, so
it's kind of done in a very awkward way, but
we're going to go with it. Edgar Mitchell. I'm
convinced there's life throughout the universe.
It's just a question of how developed. Are they
a few thousand years ahead of us? It doesn't
take much. Murphy as a voiceover. Edgar Mitchell
has always marched to his own definitively different
drum. He's the son of a New Mexico cattle rancher,
but he gave up punching cows for punching supersonic
holes in the sky as a Navy test pilot. He went
on to become an MIT physics scholar and ultimately
one of NASA's best and brightest. I've never
gotten that like - Don't punch cows. We grew
up on a cattle farm. I think I've punched a cow
once and it kicks me like immediately after.
Yeah, I don't remember any cows punching. Chelsea,
have you punched a cow? Nope. Okay. No, I don't
recommend it. They know what's going on. They
know they're being punched, and they'll try and
punch you back, but their punches are cute. But
they're back legs. Not as bad as a horse's kick,
but still not great. Murphy again. The moon trip
drove him to try to reconcile his two conflicting
natures, the test pilot scientist and the spiritual
pilgrim. He was off on his own voyage now to
inner space, and there he met a shaman, a Tibetan
healer, about the time his mother was ill. Edgar
Mitchell. Well, she was suffering and was legally
blind, so I got the healer and my mother together
just to see what would happen. Murphy, wait,
wait, wait a second. Here you are, a guy from
MIT, there's a lot of Edwards Air Force base
in you, a lot of Chen's lunar injection, and
here you are talking to a guy from Tibet saying
he's going to heal her, Edgar Mitchell. Well,
I have to admit that it was incongruous, but
my perverse curiosity said, let's find out if
this guy's real. Murphy, voiceover. And what
Mitchell found out amazed him. Edgar Mitchell.
Well, I got them together, and he did this thing
which is primarily passing his hands over her
head, and at six o 'clock the next morning, Mother
came rushing into my room, her Bible in one hand,
her glasses in the other, and said, Son, I can
see, I can see! Murphy, what did you make of
that? Mitchell, I was dumbfounded, so I took
the next logical step. I invited the man to come
live with me for a while so I could figure out
what was going on. Oh, that's totally the logic.
Murphy, the astronaut who'd been to the moon
is bunking with a Tibetan healer. Edgar Mitchell.
Yep, and he's quite a guy. Murphy voiceover.
Almost two years after his moonwalk, Mitchell
left the astronaut corps and started delving
into the paranormal, and on that path less traveled,
he shocked his old NASA buddies once again, when
he aligned himself with the controversial psychic
Yuri Geller, most famous for bending spoons,
supposedly with his mind. Murphy, voiceover.
Mitchell personally championed Geller's research
in the United States. Murphy. But there are people.
Doctor, who say, fraud, Shullerton, this guy.
Edgar Mitchell, sorry. Murphy. I've been sold
a bill of goods. Edgar Mitchell. They're the
ones that have to say, have to look a little
deeper. Murphy, voiceover. And now Mitchell is
taking another step beyond past Tiller and ESP.
Get ready. This man who's been to the moon is
saying publicly for the first time that he believes
we have been visited by inhabitants of other
planets, extraterrestrials here. He says he talked
to people who've had close encounters of the
third kind. And this is kind of the important
part here. Edgar Mitchell. I have No first -hand,
can't laugh here, serious part. I have no first
-hand experience, but I've had the opportunity
to meet with people from three countries who
in the course of their official duties claim
to have had personal first -hand encounter experience.
Murphy with extraterrestrials, Edgar Mitchell.
with extraterrestrials. Murphy, aliens from other
place? Edgar Mitchell. That's what they claim.
Murphy voiceover. Take for instance, maybe the
most famous sighting of ufology, the wreckage
of something that fell out of the sky and was
found in the deserts of Roswell, New Mexico in
1947. Mitchell is in the camp of those who believe
it was a spacecraft. He scoffs at the government's
explanation of a crashed high atmosphere balloon.
Edgar Mitchell. The people that were there say
that's utter nonsense. Come on, let's have the
truth. Murphy. You think it's more likely than
not that extraterrestrials have been to this
planet, Edgar Mitchell? From what I now understand
and have experienced and seen the evidence for,
I think the evidence is very strong. The large
portions of it are classified. Murphy, classified
by whom? Edgar Mitchell, by governments. Murphy,
you're saying it not only likely happened, but
there's been a coverup, Edgar Mitchell? Oh, I
think if it has happened the way it seems to
be, there's definitely been a coverup. Murphy.
Voice over. Mitchell wouldn't name names, but
he says some of his information comes from former
highly classified U .S. government employees.
People who say our government picked up sonic
engineering secrets from UFOs. The Department
of Defense declined to comment on Mitchell's
allegations, but gave us the U .S. Air Force's
standard handout on unidentified flying objects,
stating, quote, There has been no evidence indicating
that sightings categorized as unidentified or
extraterrestrial. End quote. Case closed. Murphy
and Mitchell. Walking. Pentagon. Air Force handout,
unidentified flying objects. Murphy, voiceover.
So is Edgar Mitchell lost in space? Not to audiences
like this one at Cambridge University in England.
Unidentified man. This is a man who's traveled
further than almost any of us. Murphy, scientists
and new -agers find something provocative in
this quiet man from the moon. Murphy, you have
been the subject of, let's face it, over the
years of a kind of wink -wink -nudge -nudge,
oh there's Edgar Mitchell. Edgar Mitchell, mm
-hmm. Murphy, ESP, all of that stuff. Edgar Mitchell,
yep. Murphy, that's Edgar's thing. Edgar Mitchell,
yep, yep. Murphy, does it bother you when colleagues
and friends regard the way you have thought in
the last 20 years in that way? Edgar Mitchell,
it is always difficult when you're a pioneer.
That's what I thought was relevant from that
interview. I feel like that interviewer really
skewed it towards this guy's pushing boundaries
outside of the space thing. He's breaking his
story. Yeah, no, of course. And that's the way
he wrote that is going to get clicks. And I shouldn't
say clicks because this is 96. So. I don't even
know if you call it fuse at that time, viewership?
No, it wouldn't have been fuse at that point.
Eyeballs? I don't know. But this is really weird
timing or I should say opportune timing, as you're
going to see as we keep moving forward as to
what my theory is as to why he starts talking
about aliens right around 96. OK, because I was
wondering, like, why after all that time? Yeah,
it's over 20 years after he was on the moon that
he's talking about this. Like he's been doing
noetic sciences. He did have some run in with
the government but it's not until 96 that he
starts talking about aliens and UFOs and again
during that time he did not name names he just
said he's known some people so the next time
he talks about UFOs is in 97 this is at the profits
conference i don't know what that is i don't
know where it is but this is him presenting i
think this part you're gonna click in to what
i figured out pretty damn quick The Associated
Press brought national and international recognition
to the comments expressed by Dr. Echo Mitchell
at the Prophets Conference presented by Axiom
last October. The following excerpt by Dr. Mitchell
is of significant interest to those concerned
with the truth. Following the Prophets Conference,
remarks presented by Dr. Stephen Greer regarding
technology and efforts to brief government officials
on the UFO phenomena, Dr. Echo Mitchell responded
by saying, quote, I'd like to add a bit to what
Stephen... Dr. Stephen Greer had to say, it was
a marvelous report, but what I'd like to add
to it is that in our briefing of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff Intelligence Group, it became very clear
to us that they were naive. They did not really
know any more about this effort than we do, if
as much. That is because, as Bob Dean pointed
out earlier, most of the people in government
were not in government when I retired 25 years
ago. They are younger people. The files going
back 50 years just no longer exist. They've either
been purged, compromised, or whatever. They don't
exist. So when we blame government for not being
forthright, they really don't have anything to
be forthright about. At least at that level.
Now, somewhere there's knowledgeable people.
and Stephen has ferreted out quite a few of them.
And in my own efforts in talking with these folks
and talking with government, the question often
comes up as to how they could have kept this
secret for so long. And friends, they haven't.
It's been around us all the time, but it has
been denied and obscured. I often like to state
the condition, the story, the myth, if you will,
about Columbus coming here and some of these
Indians not seeing the ship simply because it
was not their collective consciousness and their
repertoire. They at least didn't want to see
them. Much of what we're seeing now is what many
people don't want to see either. There has been
a massive effort at creating that or denying
the obvious of saying that you're not seeing
what's sitting right in front of you right now,
thus causing doubt in your mind. It's amazingly
effective. So documentation and evidence that
is probably the smoking gun type of evidence
has been totally compromised by saying that it's
simply not true. So it is not true that they,
the government, have kept the secret. They haven't
kept the secret, but it has been totally compromised
by misinformation and disinformation. Now for
my own experience. I have had no first -hand
experiences like so many of you I have not encountered
a UFO and we did not have them trailing us as
far as we know going to the moon We didn't meet
anyone on the moon We did it just like we said
we did for the last 25 years We have dealt with
the issue of on one hand the flat earthers who
said you didn't go anywhere It was all filmed
out here in the desert now on the other hand
another just said yes, you have been there But
you were followed. You were in contact with UFOs.
There were beings on the moon that you met and
had contact with. Well, that's not true either.
So we have walked between these two extremes
of misinformation, disinformation, and peering
cards. We did what we said we did, and I want
to assure you. From that period up until the
current time, NASA was one of the organizations
ignorant of this type of activity, and the prevailing
wisdom in NASA at the time was that we didn't
even think about it. It was a ridiculous idea
that we would encounter beings on the moon. However,
in the last 25 years since that time, I became
quite knowledgeable and became friends with Alan
Hynek. I know and work with Jacques Vallée consistently
now, and I have known the gentlemen on this stage,
Bob Dean and Stephen Greer, for a few years now.
For me, with all the evidence, it's not a matter
of believing, it's a matter of preponderance
of evidence, and the evidence keeps building.
The sightings keep happening. So it's clear that
they are ET, and I will question some of the
sightings as to if they are ET. They are making
their presence known. I also think that the prevalence
of the modern era of so many events, the sightings,
the continual mutilation events, the so -called
abduction events, that we are looking at likely
reverse engineered technology in the hands of
humans that are not under government control
or type of high -level control. I find that quite
alarming. With regards to the technology itself,
I work with folks who do know what is in our
technological database and what is available
to modern armies. The so -called ET technology,
the ability to have silent engines and flying
machines that makes no sound, flying machines
that have the characteristics that are consistent
with the reproduction of UFO settings, are not
in any nation's arsenal, but they do exist. So
if they are back -engineered technologies existing,
they are probably in the hands of this group
of individuals, formerly government, formerly
perhaps intelligence, formerly under private
sector control with some sort of oversight by
military or by government. But this oversight
is likely no longer the case as a result of this
access denied category that is now operating.
I call it a clandestine group. The technology
is not in our military arsenals, not anywhere
in the world, but it does exist and to me, that's
quite disconcerting. I do work with a number
of groups. We do know about some of the things
that the technologies are used for. And I want
to assure you that these technologies are not
that far beyond our current state of knowledge.
Now, understanding it scientifically, understanding
how it can be is a long way from having a fully
developed usable technology. But if in our knowledge
we can understand how it has to be in order to
create that technology, we're not that far away.
So I want to assure you. that we're not talking
about technologies that are far -fetched, that
we can't understand them. They're just beyond
the technological horizon. I want to tell you...
that it doesn't appear we need to be using ultra
-dimensions and wormholes for this. It looks
like our three -dimensional or four -dimensional
space -time universe is about what it appears
to be, and that we can't operate within that
space -time universe with these types of technologies.
We have tended, like the ancients of old, to
have invented myths about too many dimensions
and time travel wormholes, etc. It doesn't look
like it's necessary to explain what we're seeing.
That's the end of that. Um, Chelsea, did you
notice anything within there? Oh yeah, Stephen
Greer. Yeah, he got involved with Stephen Greer
a few years before this, so that's 97. Weirdly
enough, the first time he talks about this publicly
is in 96, and he likely got involved with Stephen
Greer probably in the early 90s, let's say 93,
94. Yeah, my concern there, it seems like he
probably had an interest to be doing this, but
it seems like Stephen Greer kind of has, um,
speaking to his benefit. Would I be wrong to
say that? See, I don't think that's wrong, and
in fact, I would put it a step further. Stephen
Greer is the whole reason he started talking
about this. Stephen Greer saw him as a highly
connected individual. within the UFO, sorry,
not within the UFO community, within the government
community. Yeah. Who could help him seem like
he has a base for what he's talking about. And
he does say right in there that he doesn't have
it, but like these people, like he believes that
something's going on. So it does seem like he's
using his connections. And I'm very glad that
you noticed that he specifically says, I have
absolutely no firsthand evidence to give. Here's
what people think happened, but that didn't happen.
And then he shouts out Stephen Greer. Next up,
Stephen Greer released a book in 98 called Disclosure
of Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the
Greatest Secrets in Modern History. And in it,
they have a quote from Edgar Mitchell. So I'm
going to... What's it say? I haven't seen shit.
This is what he says in the book. My interest
basically is what's the nature of the universe
we live in? What is our relationship to the larger
reality? If UFOs are a part of the larger reality
and we are denying it, that to me is unconscionable.
I don't live that way. I went to space to learn
about the universe we live in, to get new insights,
to go beyond boundaries of our known existence.
And if these phenomena are really indicators
of new information about the cosmos at all, and
intelligence life in the cosmos, and our ability
to travel in the cosmos, then we ought to get
to the bottom of it. It's just my curiosity that
drives me. There seems to have been over the
last 50 years at least a great deal of secrecy
surrounding the so -called UFO event. It's a
very complex subject. We are not dealing with
something that is very simple. We have sightings
of all sorts. we've been reporting thousands
and thousands of sightings for 50 years or so.
Large numbers of these sightings are indeed misperceiving
natural phenomena in some way, but a large number
of them are not misperceiving. They are well
documented events that represent flying crafts
that do not match anything we have in an earthbound
arsenal, which is very short of saying we have
validated in the public domain that they are
ET crafts. We have to rely upon people who have
been there and have firsthand data. The only
people I know of that claim to have been in that
position are former intelligence, military, and
government people and some contractor people
whose official duties in these early days were
to investigate this and know about it. These
people were under at the time great restrictions
and had high security clearance that prevented
them from telling the general public about it.
It would appear that period has long passed,
but they are still under security restrictions
or at least believe they are. Yes, there have
been ET visitations. There have been crash crafts.
There have been materials and bodies recovered
and there is some group of people somewhere that
may or may not be associated with government
at this point but certainly were at one time
that have this knowledge. They have been attempting
to conceal this knowledge or not permit it to
be widely disseminated. I cannot answer who are
these people, but there is a lot of evidence
that points to what I call a clandestine group
of people who have some quasi affiliation with
the government and certain government facilities
but operate in a very stealth and secret way
that is not generally under high level government
control as far as we can tell. From all that
I know, yes, there has been ET visitation and
they continue to be. There have been crafts.
that have been recovered. There have been a certain
amount of reverse engineering that has also allowed
some of these crafts or some components to be
duplicated and that there are earthlings who
are utilizing some of this equipment in these
certain ways. That's the end of that one. How
much do you think Stephen Greer coaxed him into
that very specific way of talking? Yes, I agree
with that fully. All of it. Do you even think
that maybe Stephen Greer kind of? pinned what
he should be rating and then was like, I'll give
you $500. Not only that, these high -ranking
government officials who claim to have first
-hand accounts of UFOs, do you not think Stephen
Greer introduced them to him? Absolutely. You
know what? Stephen Greer was probably his first
contact. Oh, guaranteed. And it was just he was
rubbing elbows with the right guy. You know how
Stephen Greer and somebody actually indulged
the fact that Stephen Greer was thinking that
he had more connections than he did. He just
weaseled his way in. Funny enough, the next thing
we're going to be reading comes from 2004. It's
from Stephen Greer's website and it's a writing
by his doctor, Stephen Greer, MD, published in
August of 2004, issue of the World Affairs Journal.
Of course, starts with a quote, I want you to
guess whose quote this is to start the Stephen
Greer article. Since the end of the sec - Probably
says Edgar Mitchell, but it's probably Stephen
Greer. Just listen. Since the end of the Second
World War, the U .S. Military Industrial Complex
has secretly sponsored at great public cost of
the R &D of new technologies for energy regeneration,
air and outer space flight, futuristic weaponry,
and other mostly military ads, which have not
been made available for the common good. Yet
today's environmental and economic emergencies
dictate that the accumulated know -how be used
for the benefit of mankind and its peaceful applications.
Who would have said that? That's a hundred thousand
million percent Stephen Krueger. Yep. Yep. He
quotes himself to start off this article. I love
that he quotes himself. I don't know who I have
to tell this to. If you're writing it down, you
don't have to quote yourself. No, I don't think
I've ever quoted myself in my life. I don't see
a point in - I should say this article is called
secret and covert operations by the USA the next
part of this article is titled expert witnesses
and testimony sufficient evidence documents physical
proof and testimonies exist to definitively make
the case for the reality of the issues as well
as its illegal handling beginning in 1992 we
met with senior government officials in the US
UK and the United Nations and other agencies
and discovered a remarkable degree of interest
in resolving this problem and obtaining a general
disclosure of the facts. The officials range
from members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee
to the first acting CIA director under President
Clinton including very senior admirals and generals
at the Pentagon and in the British general staff.
There is widespread agreement that the subject
has enormous implications for the future of humanity
and that the secrecy has become inexcusable.
What has been lacking is the will to take meaningful
actions on the issue. While interest and moral
support for disclosure are high, fear is even
greater. Consider that some of these top secret
whistleblowers, witnesses, have said about the
secrecy and the feared engenders. And Chelsea,
do you want to know who he put down as a witness
here? No, Edgar fucking Mitchell. as a witness
I was confused by the question I get that but
he puts him down as a freaking witness that proves
that the government is hiding things I kind of
had a feeling it was gonna go that way so it
says Edgar Mitchell astronaut and then he has
this little you know how the witnesses always
have the vaguest statements that he's gonna put
in here so from Edgar Mitchell whatever activity
is going on to the extent that it is a clandestine
group a quasi government group a quasi private
group it is without any type as far as I can
tell of high -level government oversight and
it is of great concern. Mitchell later made a
statement to the media reporting the St. Petersburg
time, February 28, 2004, the aliens have landed.
A few insiders know the truth and are studying
the bodies. A cabal of insiders stopped briefing
presidents about extraterrestrials after President
Kennedy. End of quote there. End of that. What
I'm gathering from this is that he's gone from
like reputable to not and he's just conspiracy
theorists now. It's gonna change a little bit
as we go, but Steven Greer introduced him to
the community, showed him some insiders who had
some witness information, and then turned him
into a freaking witness. That's Steven Greer
though. You give him a little bit and he just
stretches it out so far. You give him a good
title and he stretches it as far as the eye can
see. That's Steven Greer. We learned that about
him. Yeah. but I found it so fascinating that
it's clearly, like, you can see this. Edgar Mitchell's
being strung along by Stephen Greer. Like, there's
no question about it. You probably don't have
anything on Edgar Mitchell commenting on this,
do you? Hey, guess what my next article is? Yeah!
Edgar Mitchell most unhappy with Greer using
his name as a disclosure witness. I'm so happy
about this. This is the start of it. Edgar Mitchell
stating, the Washington Times on UFO Disclosure
mentions my name as a witness for the disclosure
project, which I am not and have not been. I
am not surprised at all. If you look to see who
is running that Seasetty horse and pony disinfo
show and tell, you will recognize familiar names.
Consider the source. As a Navy man and NASA astronaut
who really was out there, you know what I mean.
I cooperated with Stephen Greer some years ago,
but he began to overreach his data continuously,
necessitating a withdrawal by myself and I believe
several others. I have requested to be removed
from any website announcements ETC, but see that
this has not taken place. Jack. Typical politically
-based influence operations. The real motive
of the press club event was the issue of militarization
of space, not UFOs, on which reasonable, well
-meaning people can differ, of course. Since
many millions of voters believe UFOs are real,
getting control of the UFO movement clearly is
a top priority for all players. And, although
I firmly believe it is time for openness and
disclosure by government, I object to being misused
in this fashion, and I acquire guilt by association
with certain claims that simply are not true.
Jack, I feel exactly as you do. I think you,
Don Ecker, and I see it eye to eye on this one.
Ed, I nor any crew I was on received any briefings
before or after flights on UFO events. saw anything
in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the
moon. We did it just like we said in official
reports. My only claim to knowledge of these
events is from the individuals mostly of yesteryear
who were in government, intelligence, or military.
We're there, saw what they saw, and now believe
it should be made public. but I claim no first
-hand knowledge nor have any. Pass it on to the
rest of the net, if you will. That's the end
of that one. I think we ought to start closing
our episodes with that exact sentence. Pass it
on to the rest of the net if you will. If you
will. Thank you and good night. Yes, you will
and you will. I love that for him. Yeah. And
that just track what the type of person that
Stephen Greer is. Taking all the liberties and
such. Yeah. And this was written in 2001. I had
to put it after I quoted the Stephen Greer website
in 2004. but he clearly found out after like
a seven, eight -year friendship that Stephen
Greer is exactly who we all know him to be and
had to distance himself from that. That took
him a really long time, actually. I also question
his ability. No, he did call him out after all
that time, so... I know, he got better than some,
but the fact that he got to that point after
eight years and finally realized it, but also
still seems to lean on the information he got
from Stephen Greer for aliens exist it sounds
like that's probably where it kind of not started
like he had an interest no but pushed him down
that path yeah and then that's where all his
ideas were formed just my theorizing about it
I find it really unfortunate that he just blamed
Stephen Greer and he probably still believes
the sources he got from Stephen Greer were legitimate
and Stephen Greer told him exactly how they worked
out to push him forward within this So the next
one, this is a fairly prominent thing. When you
look at Edgar Mitchell, this is one of the interviews
that he does that ends up being big. July 23rd,
2008, he went on Karang Radio with Nick Margarrison
and he states, I happen to have been privileged
enough to be on the fact that we've been visited
on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real.
Now, I need to make this statement very clear
at this point, Chelsea. If we didn't know anything
about Edgar Mitchell, we might think that this
has some sort of association with him being an
astronaut, would we not? Yes. But guess what?
It has nothing to do with that. It has to do
with those sources that Stephen Breyer introduced
into. Oh, thanks. So he goes on to say, yes,
there have been ET visitation. There have been
crashed crafts. There have been materials and
bodies recovered. There have been a certain amount
of reverse engineering that has allowed some
of the crafts or those some components to be
duplicated. And there is some group of people
that may or may not be allowed with government
at this point that this knowledge. They have
been attempting to steal this information. People
in high level government have very little if
any valid information. In response to this NASA
actually made a statement through Brian Dunning.
They stated NASA is not involved in any sort
of cover -up about alien life on this planet
or anywhere in the universe. Dr. Mitchell is
a great American but we do not share his opinion
on this issue. But you always have to remember
when you're reading these articles if you don't
know his background and how he was introduced
to this 20 years after his astronaut career?
This might come across as you saying things about
your astronaut career. Does it not come across
that way? It very well does, and perhaps he also
learned to grip like Stephen Greer. And he actually
did state. Unfortunately. So he made those statements
on July 23rd. On July 25th, he was on Fox News,
and he very specifically clarifies that his comments
did not involve NASA, but quoted unnamed sources
since deceased at Roswell who confided to him
that Roswell incident did involve an alien. craft.
Why would he continue this after Stephen Greer?
Obviously my theory wasn't right that Stephen
Greer was forcing him to do this. He was going
around willingly? I don't know! What is, what's
his deal? I'm just speculating at this point,
but he thinks Stephen Greer is the bad actor,
but the information he received through other
sources within the Stephen Greer universe is
legit so he can move forward with it. It does
seem that way. I think your interpretation is
right. And it really confuses me as to what he's
doing moving forward with information that came
secondhand. And he won't even say who told him.
That's the really annoying thing. This is exactly
like Stephen Greer in his interviews. What Stephen
Greer did. Oh, I have 700 people that I've talked
to and they're all right. Also, I might add Stephen
Greer doesn't laugh in his interviews. What's
wrong with that? Yeah We have to take a little
bit of a break from the UFO thing because there's
a whole lawsuit that happens in the middle here
We know more about it. Well, we know everything
about it. It's kind of just a hilarious aside.
I have to do On June 29, 2011, the federal government
of the US filed a lawsuit against Edgar Mitchell
in the United States District Court in Miami,
Florida, after discovering that he placed a camera
used in Apollo 14 for auction at the auction
house Bonhams. The litigation requested the camera
be returned to NASA. Mitchell's position was
that NASA had given him the camera as a gift
upon the completion of Apollo 14, but the auction
site Bonhams withdrew the camera for auction.
In October of 2011, attorneys representing the
government and Mitchell reached a settlement
agreement and Mitchell agreed to return the camera
to NASA, which in turn would donate it for display
at the National Air and Space Museum. On September
20th, 2012, Congress enacted H .R. 4158, confirming
full ownership of rights of artifacts to astronauts
on Apollo space missions. Oh, he's the one that
fucked that up, eh? I just found that hilarious
that they gave him a camera and he tried to auction
it off and they actually had to pass something
in Congress saying, no, that's our camera. Yeah,
he's the one that fucked it up for everyone.
Way to go, Edgar Mitchell. On September 18th,
19th of 2014, NASA and the Library of Congress
hosted a symposium concerning preparations for
the discovery of extraterrestrial life, titled,
Preparing for Discovery, a rational approach
to the implications of finding microbial, complex,
and intelligent life beyond Earth. The symposium
failed to address the UFO phenomenon in any way,
except in one statement regarding a question
from a member of the audience. In response to
this situation, Edgar Mitchell joined with three
other writers to an open letter to NASA and the
Library of Congress pointing out the remarkable
omissions of UFO data. The title of the open
letter was, Neglected and unacknowledged evidence,
a response to preparing for discovery. NASA Library
of Congress, Astrobiology Symposiums, others
who signed the 12 page letter, Paul Hellier,
a former Deputy Minister of Canada and Canadian
UFO journalist Victor Vigiani. The open letter
stated, the current research within the systemic
knowledge base to which we refer unequivocally
confirms the existence of a wide range of hard
data that points directly to the substantive
reality of the phenomenon commonly referred to
as unidentified flying objects. Secondly, there
exists unimpeachable evidence originating from
high -level government and military sources witness
testimony and government documents that not only
validate the UFO reality but also corroborate
government and military efforts to create an
embargo around this knowledge and consequently
sequester it from the public. This category of
evidence, warrant to have been considered for
inclusion on the symposium days, could clarify
and provide lucid authentication as to the validity
of the UFO phenomenon and moreover the palpable
possibility that we are in fact being engaged
by off -world civilizations to eliminate rigorous
examinations of either of these possibilities
at all levels of inquiry is by definition unscientific.
an asshole. Yeah, I really feel like he got it
almost right with his rebuke of Stephen Greer,
but he missed a big part of it. Yeah, this is
crazy. He's now Stephen Greering it. He's using
his platform as an astronaut to make it seem
like he knows something and he knows nothing.
And Chelsea, this goes so weird, too. In 2015,
Edgar Mitchell did an interview with the Daily
Mirror and he stated that extraterrestrials had
been attempting to keep us going to war with
Russia and help create peace on earth. He also
said quote, white sands was a testing ground
for atomic weapons and that's what the extraterrestrials
were interested in. They wanted to know more
about military capabilities end quote. Like he
just keeps going into weird subgroups that like
this is not where your expertise should be in
any way and he just keeps going. Where he's getting
his information from? Nope. Never does. Never
does. Just like Stephen Greer. He learned everything
from Stephen Greer and threw him under the bus.
It was like, fuck you, Stephen Greer. Don't use
my name for this. And then he's like, what are
those guys' names again? Oh, you won't give it
to me? OK, I'll just say protecting them. But
Chelsea, you know what? A good guy in the UFO
community who we haven't done an asshole episode
on, so we don't think he's an asshole, but he
might be an asshole. Nick Pope made statements
about Edgar Mitchell, which I want to make now.
Yes, please. Nick Pope stated, I didn't put the
date down, but that's okay. Edgar Mitchell is
an honorable and truthful man who I've had the
privilege of meeting. But, so far as I'm aware,
most of his information on this issue comes not
from things he's experienced himself, but from
things he's been told by others. Clearly because
of who he is, he set access to government, military,
and intelligence community personnel at high
levels, but because, quite understandably, he
won't name his sources. We can't be certain that
these people were being straight with him or
indeed that they were privy to any classified
information about UFOs. Or even that they are
speaking to him directly. The idea that peace
-loving extraterrestrials are here to warn communities
about our destructive ways is popular with those
who take a new age view on the UFO persona. It's
a nice thought, but if I'm being skeptical, I'd
point out that it's almost exactly the plot of
the classic 1951 science fiction movie. movie,
The Day the Earth Stood Still. There have certainly
been some intriguing UFO sightings around nuclear
facilities and around military bases more generally,
but an alternative explanation is that some of
these sightings are attributable to espionage
activity involving secret spy planes or drones.
Given that the universe is around 14 billion
years old, if we were being visited, it's unlikely
we're dealing with a civilization just a few
hundred years ahead of us, so stories of aliens
managing to disrupt a few of our weapon tests
are far -fetched. chances are they'd be millions
of years ahead of us and could do anything they
wanted to. That's his quote when it comes to
the whole Edgar Mitchell thing. You know who
Edgar Mitchell would be a good target for? Stephen
Greer. favorite girl, Richard Doty, someone planting
disinformation. Richard Doty. Disinformation.
I don't think Richard Doty's stupid enough to
be like, I'm gonna go feed him disinformation
because he's doing it to himself. Interestingly
enough, I don't know what this has to do with
anything, but I don't think Richard Doty has
ever disinfoed somebody who worked for the government
previously. Ah, that's true. That's a weird comment.
I don't know if it's just like maybe he never
actually got to meet him. Maybe, but at the same
time, he seems to be disinfowing himself. Doesn't
seem like he's doing any brown making research.
It doesn't seem like he's doing anything. No,
it really just seems like he takes info and then
regurgitates it. I agree. That's so weird. So
if I were Richard Doty, I'd be like, he's doing
it to himself. He's good. But unfortunately,
Chelsea, his regurgitating days are past. Edgar
Mitchell died in hospice in West Palm Beach on
February 14th, 2016 at the age of 85. It was
the eve of the 45th anniversary of his lunar
landing. He's a guy who's passed, but nevertheless,
I found it very important to still talk about
him. Just because he's passed doesn't mean his
story doesn't carry on. Chelsea, he still has
stories coming out of about him. This article
titled, Wife of Apollo Astronaut Reveals Husband's
Strange Encounters with UFOs He Told Her Before
He Died. I believe this is a funeral ad published
on March 15th of 2025 by Britt Jones. Anita Mitchell
was married to the late NASA pilot Edgar Mitchell,
who was the sixth man to walk on the moon in
1971. According to the wife of an Apollo astronaut,
her husband used to tell her secrets about what
he really saw in space. Keeping in mind, Anita
Mitchell was the second of three wives who wasn't
his wife during the moon landing. She is married
to him from 73 to I think 80, somewhere in there,
before he met the Playboy bunny. Before the moon
landing or after? After the moon landing. He
was on the moon in 71. He married her in 73.
He told the Daily Mail that he had encounters
with strange things and that it wasn't unusual
to see something out of the ordinary. She said,
quote, He always felt that there were UFOs out
there because so many of the pilots and astronauts
had seen something. Which, yeah, we knew. That
doesn't say he saw anything with that quote.
No, not at all. He claims that some of his crewmates,
including Apollo astronaut James McDivitt, reported
seeing mysterious objects such as the strange
craft. Mitchell shared, and Mitchell, by that
I mean Anita, not Edgar, quote, I remember Gordy
telling us at a dinner party in our house that
he had seen something. He said, listen. We have
nothing that goes that fast and goes that high."
End quote. Cooper took part in the Mercury and
Gemini projects and was part of the early missions.
She has now got so many stories from ex -NASA
astronauts that she decided to tell it all in
a new book titled You Don't Look Like an Astronaut's
Wife. She was married to the husband from 73
to 84 and the astronaut died in 2016. However,
he has always She's trying to make money. It
sure does, doesn't it? Although weird time, like
nine years after he died. Does she just feel
like she's nearing the end and needs to get their
money out of it? Yeah, definitely. And he can't
read it, right? I think that's as far as I need
to go. Chelsea, I'm going to end this off with
the rational wiki story on Edgar Mitchell, okay?
Okay. Edgar Mitchell was an Apollo astronaut,
founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences and
UFO conspiracy nut. He is the only astronaut
to have publicly divulged LSD experimentation,
which we didn't talk about. That's the noetic
science stuff. Although his post -lunar beard
was not nearly as fetching as transcendental
meditation practitioner Rusty Swygart's Skylab
-era Shaggenchops. Mitchell never claimed or
even hinted that he saw anything alien on the
moon on the way to the moon or on the way back
from the moon. He never ever said he'd seen an
alien on Earth despite having been raised not
far from Roswell. However, he said many times
that he'd been briefed by senior military officials
and that alien visitation is an established fact.
Other UFO believers love him because they think
that his claims are insider info. That's the
end of his article. And that's the end of my
episode. Chelsea, what do you think of Edgar
Mitchell? I'm certainly happy that it wasn't
another boring guy episode. And I'm sure everyone
else will be happy that they got another asshole
episode. Probably not that we're laughing. I
don't know if I can call him an asshole. Is he
an asshole by omission? In my official asshole
judgment, I am filing him under asshole. The
type of asshole though is up for debate. I would
call him a naive asshole. That's what I'm filing
it under. You know what? That's not a bad way
to put it. But how naive? Because you've got
to give him a lot of credit for at least acknowledging
the fact that Stephen Greer is an asshole. And
he should not be listened to because he used
him. Completely incorrect. But then just completely
straight away from anything else within that
regard. I think for him to continue on in exactly
the fashion, it seems as exactly the fashion
to which he called Steven Gurer out. Naive feels
right. And now that I think about it, yeah, naive
in that the only time you ever called somebody
out is when it's him being completely lied about.
Like that's it. Yeah. I'm javelled hitting the
desk. I've ruled. And I do have to agree, I would
call him an asshole by omission. The fact that
he allows the term astronaut to be attached to
everything that he's doing bothers me a lot.
Well, doesn't the doctor for Dr. Steven Greer
bother you? Yes, that one does too. both assholes
especially love in his documentaries when they're
like oh you're a doctor so you're going to be
doing the autopsy of course and it's the same
reason that Stephen Greer does it it's for it's
the clout it's the clout that it attaches to
it he does if it gets brought up at all he will
specifically state this has nothing to do with
my astronaut life but he doesn't state it on
his own which I think is an important distinction.
Whereas Stephen Greer, he'll just avoid it entirely.
Yeah, I'm finally into the same thing. I think
they're up to the same kind of stuff. Edgar Mitchell
seems a little bit more naive about it. I would
put him above Stephen Greer. Stephen Greer is
a bigger asshole than Edgar Mitchell. There is
some goodness towards Edgar Mitchell. Stephen
Greer didn't have a boring part. He was all asshole.
All asshole all the time. But I think this did
uncover some names that we're gonna have to look
into in the future. I do want to do a Nick Pope
episode at some point. I am just a little worried
about him becoming an asshole. There's people
I'm concerned about and are seeming more and
more like an asshole. Most of them were broadcasters
on Coast to Coast in my mind at this point. But
in any event, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea.
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