WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:16.289 us on a Journey to the Fringe. I have been going 00:00:16.289 --> 00:00:18.350 through our comments that people have left on 00:00:18.350 --> 00:00:21.530 our episodes, Chelsea, and I just I need to restate 00:00:21.530 --> 00:00:24.070 this just in case it's not clear. We do this 00:00:24.070 --> 00:00:26.170 as a hobby for ourselves and we find ourselves 00:00:26.170 --> 00:00:29.469 very funny. We laugh at ourselves. We are not 00:00:29.469 --> 00:00:31.809 stopping this. This is our hobby. We are not 00:00:31.809 --> 00:00:34.149 doing it for the money. It will continue this 00:00:34.149 --> 00:00:37.429 way. Just kind of deal with it. OK, we are your 00:00:37.429 --> 00:00:39.710 hilarious podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea here 00:00:39.710 --> 00:00:43.149 today following up on our first part of the Edgar 00:00:43.149 --> 00:00:46.140 Mitchell saga, which saw him as the hero of the 00:00:46.140 --> 00:00:50.450 space people. Now, Chelsea. This is a weird way 00:00:50.450 --> 00:00:53.549 to do a two -parter in that it is not recorded 00:00:53.549 --> 00:00:56.090 directly beside each other, nor is it the last 00:00:56.090 --> 00:00:58.750 episode we recorded. There may be a bit of time 00:00:58.750 --> 00:01:00.369 where we're kind of forgetting what happened 00:01:00.369 --> 00:01:02.890 in the first episode. But, do you remember kind 00:01:02.890 --> 00:01:05.189 of where we left off with this? Oh yeah, he was 00:01:05.189 --> 00:01:09.129 super boring. He went to space, he did that weird 00:01:09.129 --> 00:01:11.549 psychic experiment that he wanted to do, and 00:01:11.549 --> 00:01:13.109 then left, and then... Oh right, yeah, I had 00:01:13.109 --> 00:01:15.549 no controls. Yeah, and then he opened up the 00:01:15.549 --> 00:01:17.760 Institute of Noetic Sciences, and then... And 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.920 that's where we left off. To date. Weirdly enough, 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:24.700 no talks of UFOs or aliens in that episode. Right. 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.959 We are going to get there in this episode and 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.439 how he ends up as a fairly prominent name within 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.260 the UFO community. Despite what's going to happen 00:01:32.260 --> 00:01:34.400 here, I do need to put a caveat in front here. 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.519 We are not very specifically looking at the Institute 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.260 of Noetic Sciences, nor Edgar Mitchell's involvement 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:44.019 with that, or how it might coalesce with his 00:01:44.019 --> 00:01:47.299 view on aliens. What we are looking at is specifically 00:01:47.299 --> 00:01:50.280 things that he has said about aliens outside 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:52.480 of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And yes, 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.939 I am very aware he had many views that likely 00:01:55.939 --> 00:01:59.599 intertwined his views of aliens with his views 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.959 on telepathy and the universe at large. We're 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:04.459 going to have to forego those. Those might be 00:02:04.459 --> 00:02:06.599 a different episode in the future, but you're 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.539 going to see how long this episode is. I couldn't 00:02:08.539 --> 00:02:11.120 take Noetic science in here as well. So that's 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.520 just kind of how it goes. Fair enough. Right 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.979 off the bat, having said that, I'm gonna now 00:02:15.979 --> 00:02:18.520 just kinda say a few things that connect noetic 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.699 science to everything that we're gonna be talking 00:02:20.699 --> 00:02:25.169 about. Okay. So this comes from the Wikipedia 00:02:25.169 --> 00:02:28.330 article on Edgar Mitchell. Journalist Annie Jacobson 00:02:28.330 --> 00:02:30.789 has asserted that Mitchell's Mind Science Institute, 00:02:30.909 --> 00:02:33.250 a Los Angeles, California based organization 00:02:33.250 --> 00:02:35.930 ultimately subsumed by the Institute of Noetic 00:02:35.930 --> 00:02:38.770 Sciences, was employed by the Central Intelligence 00:02:38.770 --> 00:02:41.750 Agency as a surreptitious conduit for payments 00:02:41.750 --> 00:02:45.629 to Andrea Puharich and Yuri Geller, while the 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:48.210 latter was evaluated by the SRI International 00:02:48.210 --> 00:02:52.289 Research Group in 1972. In 1976, Mitchell attempted 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.819 to secure additional funding for the SRI Group's 00:02:54.819 --> 00:02:56.819 remote viewing research in a private meeting 00:02:56.819 --> 00:02:59.180 with then -Director of Central Intelligence, 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:02.460 George H .W. Bush, who knew Mitchell socially. 00:03:02.740 --> 00:03:06.379 Although Bush demurred, he suggested the pursuit 00:03:06.379 --> 00:03:08.960 of military sponsorship leading to the formation 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.039 of the Stargate Project in 1978. I just need 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.840 to establish that there that he does somewhat 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.460 have insider connections to people who are higher 00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:21.259 up within the government. Like he has met and 00:03:21.259 --> 00:03:24.860 had meetings with George W. Bush, Sr. Yeah, okay. 00:03:25.180 --> 00:03:28.699 So from there, Chelsea, he went to space. in 00:03:28.699 --> 00:03:31.900 the 70s. First interview I could find where he 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:35.419 actually talks about aliens or UFOs happens in 00:03:35.419 --> 00:03:40.240 1996. Wow. So it's a long time from when he was 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.439 actually involved in the UFOs. I wouldn't even 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.500 remember being in space anymore. No, that's an 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:48.340 entire, somebody who graduated with the degree's 00:03:48.340 --> 00:03:51.379 lifetime. The first time I could find him actually 00:03:51.379 --> 00:03:55.280 talking about anything in space outside of NASA 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:00.000 with aliens or UFOs is Dateline, NBC, April 19th, 00:04:00.020 --> 00:04:03.300 1996. Interesting choice. Yes. And I took a very 00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:06.300 specific part of this interview. And this, a 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:07.860 lot of this is going to be interviews that he 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:10.620 did here onwards. Okay? Okay. So he's interviewed 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:13.099 by a guy named Murphy. It's a transcript, so 00:04:13.099 --> 00:04:15.000 it's kind of done in a very awkward way, but 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.019 we're going to go with it. Edgar Mitchell. I'm 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:19.300 convinced there's life throughout the universe. 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:21.860 It's just a question of how developed. Are they 00:04:21.860 --> 00:04:23.839 a few thousand years ahead of us? It doesn't 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.660 take much. Murphy as a voiceover. Edgar Mitchell 00:04:26.660 --> 00:04:29.959 has always marched to his own definitively different 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.420 drum. He's the son of a New Mexico cattle rancher, 00:04:32.500 --> 00:04:35.220 but he gave up punching cows for punching supersonic 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:38.040 holes in the sky as a Navy test pilot. He went 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.220 on to become an MIT physics scholar and ultimately 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:43.860 one of NASA's best and brightest. I've never 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:47.240 gotten that like - Don't punch cows. We grew 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:49.939 up on a cattle farm. I think I've punched a cow 00:04:49.939 --> 00:04:53.399 once and it kicks me like immediately after. 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:56.040 Yeah, I don't remember any cows punching. Chelsea, 00:04:56.220 --> 00:04:58.850 have you punched a cow? Nope. Okay. No, I don't 00:04:58.850 --> 00:05:01.230 recommend it. They know what's going on. They 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:03.310 know they're being punched, and they'll try and 00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:05.149 punch you back, but their punches are cute. But 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:07.610 they're back legs. Not as bad as a horse's kick, 00:05:07.610 --> 00:05:11.610 but still not great. Murphy again. The moon trip 00:05:11.610 --> 00:05:14.730 drove him to try to reconcile his two conflicting 00:05:14.730 --> 00:05:17.550 natures, the test pilot scientist and the spiritual 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:20.670 pilgrim. He was off on his own voyage now to 00:05:20.670 --> 00:05:23.370 inner space, and there he met a shaman, a Tibetan 00:05:23.370 --> 00:05:25.889 healer, about the time his mother was ill. Edgar 00:05:25.889 --> 00:05:28.410 Mitchell. Well, she was suffering and was legally 00:05:28.410 --> 00:05:31.050 blind, so I got the healer and my mother together 00:05:31.050 --> 00:05:33.470 just to see what would happen. Murphy, wait, 00:05:33.550 --> 00:05:35.750 wait, wait a second. Here you are, a guy from 00:05:35.750 --> 00:05:38.290 MIT, there's a lot of Edwards Air Force base 00:05:38.290 --> 00:05:41.050 in you, a lot of Chen's lunar injection, and 00:05:41.050 --> 00:05:43.069 here you are talking to a guy from Tibet saying 00:05:43.069 --> 00:05:45.189 he's going to heal her, Edgar Mitchell. Well, 00:05:45.370 --> 00:05:48.269 I have to admit that it was incongruous, but 00:05:48.269 --> 00:05:51.689 my perverse curiosity said, let's find out if 00:05:51.689 --> 00:05:54.329 this guy's real. Murphy, voiceover. And what 00:05:54.329 --> 00:05:57.019 Mitchell found out amazed him. Edgar Mitchell. 00:05:57.180 --> 00:05:59.680 Well, I got them together, and he did this thing 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.060 which is primarily passing his hands over her 00:06:02.060 --> 00:06:04.439 head, and at six o 'clock the next morning, Mother 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.839 came rushing into my room, her Bible in one hand, 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:08.759 her glasses in the other, and said, Son, I can 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.040 see, I can see! Murphy, what did you make of 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.259 that? Mitchell, I was dumbfounded, so I took 00:06:13.259 --> 00:06:15.939 the next logical step. I invited the man to come 00:06:15.939 --> 00:06:18.199 live with me for a while so I could figure out 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.910 what was going on. Oh, that's totally the logic. 00:06:21.350 --> 00:06:23.589 Murphy, the astronaut who'd been to the moon 00:06:23.589 --> 00:06:26.009 is bunking with a Tibetan healer. Edgar Mitchell. 00:06:26.329 --> 00:06:28.610 Yep, and he's quite a guy. Murphy voiceover. 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:30.839 Almost two years after his moonwalk, Mitchell 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.779 left the astronaut corps and started delving 00:06:32.779 --> 00:06:35.439 into the paranormal, and on that path less traveled, 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.379 he shocked his old NASA buddies once again, when 00:06:38.379 --> 00:06:40.439 he aligned himself with the controversial psychic 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.779 Yuri Geller, most famous for bending spoons, 00:06:43.060 --> 00:06:45.480 supposedly with his mind. Murphy, voiceover. 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:47.879 Mitchell personally championed Geller's research 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.079 in the United States. Murphy. But there are people. 00:06:50.339 --> 00:06:52.699 Doctor, who say, fraud, Shullerton, this guy. 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.180 Edgar Mitchell, sorry. Murphy. I've been sold 00:06:55.180 --> 00:06:57.740 a bill of goods. Edgar Mitchell. They're the 00:06:57.740 --> 00:07:00.100 ones that have to say, have to look a little 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:02.620 deeper. Murphy, voiceover. And now Mitchell is 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:05.600 taking another step beyond past Tiller and ESP. 00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:08.699 Get ready. This man who's been to the moon is 00:07:08.699 --> 00:07:10.879 saying publicly for the first time that he believes 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.220 we have been visited by inhabitants of other 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:15.699 planets, extraterrestrials here. He says he talked 00:07:15.699 --> 00:07:17.899 to people who've had close encounters of the 00:07:17.899 --> 00:07:19.939 third kind. And this is kind of the important 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:23.750 part here. Edgar Mitchell. I have No first -hand, 00:07:23.910 --> 00:07:27.930 can't laugh here, serious part. I have no first 00:07:27.930 --> 00:07:29.670 -hand experience, but I've had the opportunity 00:07:29.670 --> 00:07:32.449 to meet with people from three countries who 00:07:32.449 --> 00:07:34.389 in the course of their official duties claim 00:07:34.389 --> 00:07:37.189 to have had personal first -hand encounter experience. 00:07:37.470 --> 00:07:39.810 Murphy with extraterrestrials, Edgar Mitchell. 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.100 with extraterrestrials. Murphy, aliens from other 00:07:43.100 --> 00:07:45.579 place? Edgar Mitchell. That's what they claim. 00:07:45.939 --> 00:07:48.660 Murphy voiceover. Take for instance, maybe the 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:51.079 most famous sighting of ufology, the wreckage 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:52.839 of something that fell out of the sky and was 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.839 found in the deserts of Roswell, New Mexico in 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.339 1947. Mitchell is in the camp of those who believe 00:07:58.339 --> 00:08:00.980 it was a spacecraft. He scoffs at the government's 00:08:00.980 --> 00:08:03.240 explanation of a crashed high atmosphere balloon. 00:08:03.379 --> 00:08:06.079 Edgar Mitchell. The people that were there say 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.420 that's utter nonsense. Come on, let's have the 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:10.639 truth. Murphy. You think it's more likely than 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.579 not that extraterrestrials have been to this 00:08:12.579 --> 00:08:14.939 planet, Edgar Mitchell? From what I now understand 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:17.279 and have experienced and seen the evidence for, 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.519 I think the evidence is very strong. The large 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.519 portions of it are classified. Murphy, classified 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.060 by whom? Edgar Mitchell, by governments. Murphy, 00:08:26.379 --> 00:08:30.459 you're saying it not only likely happened, but 00:08:30.459 --> 00:08:33.539 there's been a coverup, Edgar Mitchell? Oh, I 00:08:33.539 --> 00:08:36.740 think if it has happened the way it seems to 00:08:36.740 --> 00:08:39.460 be, there's definitely been a coverup. Murphy. 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.840 Voice over. Mitchell wouldn't name names, but 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.159 he says some of his information comes from former 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.139 highly classified U .S. government employees. 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:48.460 People who say our government picked up sonic 00:08:48.460 --> 00:08:50.720 engineering secrets from UFOs. The Department 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.720 of Defense declined to comment on Mitchell's 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.139 allegations, but gave us the U .S. Air Force's 00:08:55.139 --> 00:08:57.840 standard handout on unidentified flying objects, 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.620 stating, quote, There has been no evidence indicating 00:09:00.620 --> 00:09:02.940 that sightings categorized as unidentified or 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:06.080 extraterrestrial. End quote. Case closed. Murphy 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.100 and Mitchell. Walking. Pentagon. Air Force handout, 00:09:09.299 --> 00:09:11.860 unidentified flying objects. Murphy, voiceover. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.580 So is Edgar Mitchell lost in space? Not to audiences 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:16.940 like this one at Cambridge University in England. 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.700 Unidentified man. This is a man who's traveled 00:09:19.700 --> 00:09:22.490 further than almost any of us. Murphy, scientists 00:09:22.490 --> 00:09:24.909 and new -agers find something provocative in 00:09:24.909 --> 00:09:27.590 this quiet man from the moon. Murphy, you have 00:09:27.590 --> 00:09:29.590 been the subject of, let's face it, over the 00:09:29.590 --> 00:09:31.750 years of a kind of wink -wink -nudge -nudge, 00:09:31.929 --> 00:09:34.129 oh there's Edgar Mitchell. Edgar Mitchell, mm 00:09:34.129 --> 00:09:37.029 -hmm. Murphy, ESP, all of that stuff. Edgar Mitchell, 00:09:37.269 --> 00:09:40.090 yep. Murphy, that's Edgar's thing. Edgar Mitchell, 00:09:40.330 --> 00:09:43.110 yep, yep. Murphy, does it bother you when colleagues 00:09:43.110 --> 00:09:46.250 and friends regard the way you have thought in 00:09:46.250 --> 00:09:48.710 the last 20 years in that way? Edgar Mitchell, 00:09:48.929 --> 00:09:50.669 it is always difficult when you're a pioneer. 00:09:50.789 --> 00:09:53.389 That's what I thought was relevant from that 00:09:53.389 --> 00:09:56.929 interview. I feel like that interviewer really 00:09:56.929 --> 00:10:00.070 skewed it towards this guy's pushing boundaries 00:10:00.070 --> 00:10:04.009 outside of the space thing. He's breaking his 00:10:04.009 --> 00:10:06.889 story. Yeah, no, of course. And that's the way 00:10:06.889 --> 00:10:09.289 he wrote that is going to get clicks. And I shouldn't 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:12.750 say clicks because this is 96. So. I don't even 00:10:12.750 --> 00:10:14.909 know if you call it fuse at that time, viewership? 00:10:14.929 --> 00:10:16.450 No, it wouldn't have been fuse at that point. 00:10:16.769 --> 00:10:19.870 Eyeballs? I don't know. But this is really weird 00:10:19.870 --> 00:10:23.149 timing or I should say opportune timing, as you're 00:10:23.149 --> 00:10:25.850 going to see as we keep moving forward as to 00:10:25.850 --> 00:10:28.610 what my theory is as to why he starts talking 00:10:28.610 --> 00:10:31.730 about aliens right around 96. OK, because I was 00:10:31.730 --> 00:10:33.870 wondering, like, why after all that time? Yeah, 00:10:33.870 --> 00:10:36.850 it's over 20 years after he was on the moon that 00:10:36.850 --> 00:10:38.789 he's talking about this. Like he's been doing 00:10:38.789 --> 00:10:41.850 noetic sciences. He did have some run in with 00:10:41.850 --> 00:10:44.309 the government but it's not until 96 that he 00:10:44.309 --> 00:10:47.110 starts talking about aliens and UFOs and again 00:10:47.110 --> 00:10:50.210 during that time he did not name names he just 00:10:50.210 --> 00:10:53.110 said he's known some people so the next time 00:10:53.110 --> 00:10:56.830 he talks about UFOs is in 97 this is at the profits 00:10:56.830 --> 00:10:58.929 conference i don't know what that is i don't 00:10:58.929 --> 00:11:01.090 know where it is but this is him presenting i 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:03.830 think this part you're gonna click in to what 00:11:03.830 --> 00:11:06.840 i figured out pretty damn quick The Associated 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:09.299 Press brought national and international recognition 00:11:09.299 --> 00:11:11.240 to the comments expressed by Dr. Echo Mitchell 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.460 at the Prophets Conference presented by Axiom 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:16.159 last October. The following excerpt by Dr. Mitchell 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.740 is of significant interest to those concerned 00:11:18.740 --> 00:11:20.620 with the truth. Following the Prophets Conference, 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:23.299 remarks presented by Dr. Stephen Greer regarding 00:11:23.299 --> 00:11:25.720 technology and efforts to brief government officials 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.259 on the UFO phenomena, Dr. Echo Mitchell responded 00:11:28.259 --> 00:11:30.799 by saying, quote, I'd like to add a bit to what 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:34.179 Stephen... Dr. Stephen Greer had to say, it was 00:11:34.179 --> 00:11:37.080 a marvelous report, but what I'd like to add 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.340 to it is that in our briefing of the Joint Chiefs 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:42.840 of Staff Intelligence Group, it became very clear 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.759 to us that they were naive. They did not really 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.840 know any more about this effort than we do, if 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.220 as much. That is because, as Bob Dean pointed 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:53.500 out earlier, most of the people in government 00:11:53.500 --> 00:11:56.620 were not in government when I retired 25 years 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:59.000 ago. They are younger people. The files going 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.299 back 50 years just no longer exist. They've either 00:12:02.299 --> 00:12:04.799 been purged, compromised, or whatever. They don't 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.659 exist. So when we blame government for not being 00:12:07.659 --> 00:12:09.539 forthright, they really don't have anything to 00:12:09.539 --> 00:12:11.779 be forthright about. At least at that level. 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:14.120 Now, somewhere there's knowledgeable people. 00:12:14.299 --> 00:12:17.179 and Stephen has ferreted out quite a few of them. 00:12:17.259 --> 00:12:20.139 And in my own efforts in talking with these folks 00:12:20.139 --> 00:12:22.480 and talking with government, the question often 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.100 comes up as to how they could have kept this 00:12:25.100 --> 00:12:27.539 secret for so long. And friends, they haven't. 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:30.080 It's been around us all the time, but it has 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.139 been denied and obscured. I often like to state 00:12:33.139 --> 00:12:35.899 the condition, the story, the myth, if you will, 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.039 about Columbus coming here and some of these 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.580 Indians not seeing the ship simply because it 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:43.940 was not their collective consciousness and their 00:12:43.940 --> 00:12:46.120 repertoire. They at least didn't want to see 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.759 them. Much of what we're seeing now is what many 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.049 people don't want to see either. There has been 00:12:51.049 --> 00:12:53.370 a massive effort at creating that or denying 00:12:53.370 --> 00:12:56.250 the obvious of saying that you're not seeing 00:12:56.250 --> 00:12:58.870 what's sitting right in front of you right now, 00:12:59.009 --> 00:13:01.669 thus causing doubt in your mind. It's amazingly 00:13:01.669 --> 00:13:04.529 effective. So documentation and evidence that 00:13:04.529 --> 00:13:06.590 is probably the smoking gun type of evidence 00:13:06.590 --> 00:13:09.289 has been totally compromised by saying that it's 00:13:09.289 --> 00:13:11.649 simply not true. So it is not true that they, 00:13:11.889 --> 00:13:14.509 the government, have kept the secret. They haven't 00:13:14.509 --> 00:13:16.690 kept the secret, but it has been totally compromised 00:13:16.690 --> 00:13:19.070 by misinformation and disinformation. Now for 00:13:19.070 --> 00:13:21.950 my own experience. I have had no first -hand 00:13:21.950 --> 00:13:25.049 experiences like so many of you I have not encountered 00:13:25.049 --> 00:13:28.549 a UFO and we did not have them trailing us as 00:13:28.549 --> 00:13:31.049 far as we know going to the moon We didn't meet 00:13:31.049 --> 00:13:33.870 anyone on the moon We did it just like we said 00:13:33.870 --> 00:13:36.710 we did for the last 25 years We have dealt with 00:13:36.710 --> 00:13:39.129 the issue of on one hand the flat earthers who 00:13:39.129 --> 00:13:41.470 said you didn't go anywhere It was all filmed 00:13:41.470 --> 00:13:43.450 out here in the desert now on the other hand 00:13:43.450 --> 00:13:46.490 another just said yes, you have been there But 00:13:46.490 --> 00:13:49.230 you were followed. You were in contact with UFOs. 00:13:49.389 --> 00:13:51.350 There were beings on the moon that you met and 00:13:51.350 --> 00:13:53.690 had contact with. Well, that's not true either. 00:13:53.850 --> 00:13:56.250 So we have walked between these two extremes 00:13:56.250 --> 00:13:58.409 of misinformation, disinformation, and peering 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.450 cards. We did what we said we did, and I want 00:14:01.450 --> 00:14:04.320 to assure you. From that period up until the 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.700 current time, NASA was one of the organizations 00:14:06.700 --> 00:14:09.659 ignorant of this type of activity, and the prevailing 00:14:09.659 --> 00:14:12.500 wisdom in NASA at the time was that we didn't 00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:15.039 even think about it. It was a ridiculous idea 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:17.519 that we would encounter beings on the moon. However, 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.759 in the last 25 years since that time, I became 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.779 quite knowledgeable and became friends with Alan 00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:26.700 Hynek. I know and work with Jacques Vallée consistently 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.200 now, and I have known the gentlemen on this stage, 00:14:29.299 --> 00:14:32.200 Bob Dean and Stephen Greer, for a few years now. 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:34.669 For me, with all the evidence, it's not a matter 00:14:34.669 --> 00:14:36.870 of believing, it's a matter of preponderance 00:14:36.870 --> 00:14:39.190 of evidence, and the evidence keeps building. 00:14:39.490 --> 00:14:41.629 The sightings keep happening. So it's clear that 00:14:41.629 --> 00:14:44.690 they are ET, and I will question some of the 00:14:44.690 --> 00:14:47.409 sightings as to if they are ET. They are making 00:14:47.409 --> 00:14:49.629 their presence known. I also think that the prevalence 00:14:49.629 --> 00:14:52.330 of the modern era of so many events, the sightings, 00:14:52.470 --> 00:14:54.629 the continual mutilation events, the so -called 00:14:54.629 --> 00:14:57.149 abduction events, that we are looking at likely 00:14:57.149 --> 00:14:59.330 reverse engineered technology in the hands of 00:14:59.330 --> 00:15:01.169 humans that are not under government control 00:15:01.169 --> 00:15:05.149 or type of high -level control. I find that quite 00:15:05.149 --> 00:15:08.309 alarming. With regards to the technology itself, 00:15:08.590 --> 00:15:11.210 I work with folks who do know what is in our 00:15:11.210 --> 00:15:13.750 technological database and what is available 00:15:13.750 --> 00:15:16.289 to modern armies. The so -called ET technology, 00:15:16.669 --> 00:15:18.990 the ability to have silent engines and flying 00:15:18.990 --> 00:15:21.409 machines that makes no sound, flying machines 00:15:21.409 --> 00:15:23.389 that have the characteristics that are consistent 00:15:23.389 --> 00:15:25.850 with the reproduction of UFO settings, are not 00:15:25.850 --> 00:15:29.080 in any nation's arsenal, but they do exist. So 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.500 if they are back -engineered technologies existing, 00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:33.259 they are probably in the hands of this group 00:15:33.259 --> 00:15:35.720 of individuals, formerly government, formerly 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.659 perhaps intelligence, formerly under private 00:15:38.659 --> 00:15:41.500 sector control with some sort of oversight by 00:15:41.500 --> 00:15:43.840 military or by government. But this oversight 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.940 is likely no longer the case as a result of this 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:49.840 access denied category that is now operating. 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.070 I call it a clandestine group. The technology 00:15:53.070 --> 00:15:55.610 is not in our military arsenals, not anywhere 00:15:55.610 --> 00:15:59.370 in the world, but it does exist and to me, that's 00:15:59.370 --> 00:16:01.879 quite disconcerting. I do work with a number 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.100 of groups. We do know about some of the things 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:07.379 that the technologies are used for. And I want 00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:09.820 to assure you that these technologies are not 00:16:09.820 --> 00:16:12.200 that far beyond our current state of knowledge. 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:15.299 Now, understanding it scientifically, understanding 00:16:15.299 --> 00:16:18.299 how it can be is a long way from having a fully 00:16:18.299 --> 00:16:21.279 developed usable technology. But if in our knowledge 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.820 we can understand how it has to be in order to 00:16:24.820 --> 00:16:27.000 create that technology, we're not that far away. 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.529 So I want to assure you. that we're not talking 00:16:29.529 --> 00:16:31.789 about technologies that are far -fetched, that 00:16:31.789 --> 00:16:34.250 we can't understand them. They're just beyond 00:16:34.250 --> 00:16:37.049 the technological horizon. I want to tell you... 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:39.360 that it doesn't appear we need to be using ultra 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.100 -dimensions and wormholes for this. It looks 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:44.639 like our three -dimensional or four -dimensional 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.720 space -time universe is about what it appears 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.740 to be, and that we can't operate within that 00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:50.779 space -time universe with these types of technologies. 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:54.019 We have tended, like the ancients of old, to 00:16:54.019 --> 00:16:56.460 have invented myths about too many dimensions 00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:59.580 and time travel wormholes, etc. It doesn't look 00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:01.659 like it's necessary to explain what we're seeing. 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:04.299 That's the end of that. Um, Chelsea, did you 00:17:04.299 --> 00:17:06.490 notice anything within there? Oh yeah, Stephen 00:17:06.490 --> 00:17:08.849 Greer. Yeah, he got involved with Stephen Greer 00:17:08.849 --> 00:17:11.950 a few years before this, so that's 97. Weirdly 00:17:11.950 --> 00:17:13.930 enough, the first time he talks about this publicly 00:17:13.930 --> 00:17:16.809 is in 96, and he likely got involved with Stephen 00:17:16.809 --> 00:17:19.269 Greer probably in the early 90s, let's say 93, 00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:22.650 94. Yeah, my concern there, it seems like he 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.089 probably had an interest to be doing this, but 00:17:25.089 --> 00:17:28.009 it seems like Stephen Greer kind of has, um, 00:17:28.049 --> 00:17:30.670 speaking to his benefit. Would I be wrong to 00:17:30.670 --> 00:17:32.990 say that? See, I don't think that's wrong, and 00:17:32.990 --> 00:17:35.759 in fact, I would put it a step further. Stephen 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.599 Greer is the whole reason he started talking 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.539 about this. Stephen Greer saw him as a highly 00:17:40.539 --> 00:17:44.130 connected individual. within the UFO, sorry, 00:17:44.269 --> 00:17:46.450 not within the UFO community, within the government 00:17:46.450 --> 00:17:49.970 community. Yeah. Who could help him seem like 00:17:49.970 --> 00:17:52.549 he has a base for what he's talking about. And 00:17:52.549 --> 00:17:54.950 he does say right in there that he doesn't have 00:17:54.950 --> 00:17:57.470 it, but like these people, like he believes that 00:17:57.470 --> 00:18:00.150 something's going on. So it does seem like he's 00:18:00.150 --> 00:18:03.150 using his connections. And I'm very glad that 00:18:03.150 --> 00:18:05.569 you noticed that he specifically says, I have 00:18:05.569 --> 00:18:08.809 absolutely no firsthand evidence to give. Here's 00:18:08.809 --> 00:18:11.269 what people think happened, but that didn't happen. 00:18:11.529 --> 00:18:13.890 And then he shouts out Stephen Greer. Next up, 00:18:14.069 --> 00:18:17.049 Stephen Greer released a book in 98 called Disclosure 00:18:17.049 --> 00:18:19.470 of Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the 00:18:19.470 --> 00:18:21.930 Greatest Secrets in Modern History. And in it, 00:18:22.109 --> 00:18:24.769 they have a quote from Edgar Mitchell. So I'm 00:18:24.769 --> 00:18:26.970 going to... What's it say? I haven't seen shit. 00:18:27.390 --> 00:18:29.609 This is what he says in the book. My interest 00:18:29.609 --> 00:18:31.829 basically is what's the nature of the universe 00:18:31.829 --> 00:18:34.549 we live in? What is our relationship to the larger 00:18:34.549 --> 00:18:37.430 reality? If UFOs are a part of the larger reality 00:18:37.430 --> 00:18:40.069 and we are denying it, that to me is unconscionable. 00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:43.130 I don't live that way. I went to space to learn 00:18:43.130 --> 00:18:46.269 about the universe we live in, to get new insights, 00:18:46.509 --> 00:18:49.109 to go beyond boundaries of our known existence. 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:51.430 And if these phenomena are really indicators 00:18:51.430 --> 00:18:54.349 of new information about the cosmos at all, and 00:18:54.349 --> 00:18:56.690 intelligence life in the cosmos, and our ability 00:18:56.690 --> 00:18:58.619 to travel in the cosmos, then we ought to get 00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:00.759 to the bottom of it. It's just my curiosity that 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:02.640 drives me. There seems to have been over the 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.160 last 50 years at least a great deal of secrecy 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.339 surrounding the so -called UFO event. It's a 00:19:07.339 --> 00:19:10.079 very complex subject. We are not dealing with 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.680 something that is very simple. We have sightings 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.160 of all sorts. we've been reporting thousands 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.279 and thousands of sightings for 50 years or so. 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:19.720 Large numbers of these sightings are indeed misperceiving 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.319 natural phenomena in some way, but a large number 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:24.500 of them are not misperceiving. They are well 00:19:24.500 --> 00:19:26.900 documented events that represent flying crafts 00:19:26.900 --> 00:19:29.660 that do not match anything we have in an earthbound 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:32.380 arsenal, which is very short of saying we have 00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:35.500 validated in the public domain that they are 00:19:35.500 --> 00:19:38.859 ET crafts. We have to rely upon people who have 00:19:38.859 --> 00:19:41.519 been there and have firsthand data. The only 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.230 people I know of that claim to have been in that 00:19:44.230 --> 00:19:46.329 position are former intelligence, military, and 00:19:46.329 --> 00:19:48.730 government people and some contractor people 00:19:48.730 --> 00:19:51.609 whose official duties in these early days were 00:19:51.609 --> 00:19:54.009 to investigate this and know about it. These 00:19:54.009 --> 00:19:56.710 people were under at the time great restrictions 00:19:56.710 --> 00:19:59.109 and had high security clearance that prevented 00:19:59.109 --> 00:20:01.250 them from telling the general public about it. 00:20:01.309 --> 00:20:03.930 It would appear that period has long passed, 00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:06.390 but they are still under security restrictions 00:20:06.390 --> 00:20:09.250 or at least believe they are. Yes, there have 00:20:09.250 --> 00:20:12.769 been ET visitations. There have been crash crafts. 00:20:13.210 --> 00:20:15.029 There have been materials and bodies recovered 00:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.150 and there is some group of people somewhere that 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:20.289 may or may not be associated with government 00:20:20.289 --> 00:20:23.809 at this point but certainly were at one time 00:20:23.809 --> 00:20:26.160 that have this knowledge. They have been attempting 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.539 to conceal this knowledge or not permit it to 00:20:28.539 --> 00:20:31.680 be widely disseminated. I cannot answer who are 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.700 these people, but there is a lot of evidence 00:20:33.700 --> 00:20:36.259 that points to what I call a clandestine group 00:20:36.259 --> 00:20:39.440 of people who have some quasi affiliation with 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.720 the government and certain government facilities 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.420 but operate in a very stealth and secret way 00:20:44.420 --> 00:20:46.819 that is not generally under high level government 00:20:46.819 --> 00:20:48.940 control as far as we can tell. From all that 00:20:48.940 --> 00:20:51.720 I know, yes, there has been ET visitation and 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:53.759 they continue to be. There have been crafts. 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:56.279 that have been recovered. There have been a certain 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.240 amount of reverse engineering that has also allowed 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.599 some of these crafts or some components to be 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.740 duplicated and that there are earthlings who 00:21:03.740 --> 00:21:05.960 are utilizing some of this equipment in these 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.220 certain ways. That's the end of that one. How 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:10.660 much do you think Stephen Greer coaxed him into 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:14.980 that very specific way of talking? Yes, I agree 00:21:14.980 --> 00:21:18.359 with that fully. All of it. Do you even think 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.400 that maybe Stephen Greer kind of? pinned what 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:23.779 he should be rating and then was like, I'll give 00:21:23.779 --> 00:21:27.099 you $500. Not only that, these high -ranking 00:21:27.099 --> 00:21:29.599 government officials who claim to have first 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.960 -hand accounts of UFOs, do you not think Stephen 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.200 Greer introduced them to him? Absolutely. You 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.400 know what? Stephen Greer was probably his first 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.539 contact. Oh, guaranteed. And it was just he was 00:21:41.539 --> 00:21:43.000 rubbing elbows with the right guy. You know how 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.319 Stephen Greer and somebody actually indulged 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.059 the fact that Stephen Greer was thinking that 00:21:48.059 --> 00:21:50.319 he had more connections than he did. He just 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.180 weaseled his way in. Funny enough, the next thing 00:21:53.180 --> 00:21:55.539 we're going to be reading comes from 2004. It's 00:21:55.539 --> 00:21:57.740 from Stephen Greer's website and it's a writing 00:21:57.740 --> 00:22:00.779 by his doctor, Stephen Greer, MD, published in 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:03.839 August of 2004, issue of the World Affairs Journal. 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.240 Of course, starts with a quote, I want you to 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.960 guess whose quote this is to start the Stephen 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:11.299 Greer article. Since the end of the sec - Probably 00:22:11.299 --> 00:22:13.819 says Edgar Mitchell, but it's probably Stephen 00:22:13.819 --> 00:22:16.700 Greer. Just listen. Since the end of the Second 00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:18.819 World War, the U .S. Military Industrial Complex 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:21.859 has secretly sponsored at great public cost of 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:25.319 the R &D of new technologies for energy regeneration, 00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:28.099 air and outer space flight, futuristic weaponry, 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.960 and other mostly military ads, which have not 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.920 been made available for the common good. Yet 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.420 today's environmental and economic emergencies 00:22:35.420 --> 00:22:39.059 dictate that the accumulated know -how be used 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:41.799 for the benefit of mankind and its peaceful applications. 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:44.519 Who would have said that? That's a hundred thousand 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:47.079 million percent Stephen Krueger. Yep. Yep. He 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:52.279 quotes himself to start off this article. I love 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.019 that he quotes himself. I don't know who I have 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:57.839 to tell this to. If you're writing it down, you 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:01.279 don't have to quote yourself. No, I don't think 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:05.519 I've ever quoted myself in my life. I don't see 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:09.319 a point in - I should say this article is called 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.240 secret and covert operations by the USA the next 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.680 part of this article is titled expert witnesses 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.519 and testimony sufficient evidence documents physical 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.220 proof and testimonies exist to definitively make 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:23.819 the case for the reality of the issues as well 00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:27.019 as its illegal handling beginning in 1992 we 00:23:27.019 --> 00:23:29.000 met with senior government officials in the US 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.660 UK and the United Nations and other agencies 00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:34.440 and discovered a remarkable degree of interest 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.960 in resolving this problem and obtaining a general 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.500 disclosure of the facts. The officials range 00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:43.119 from members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:46.279 to the first acting CIA director under President 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:49.660 Clinton including very senior admirals and generals 00:23:49.660 --> 00:23:52.000 at the Pentagon and in the British general staff. 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:55.019 There is widespread agreement that the subject 00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:58.180 has enormous implications for the future of humanity 00:23:58.180 --> 00:24:01.119 and that the secrecy has become inexcusable. 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.700 What has been lacking is the will to take meaningful 00:24:04.700 --> 00:24:07.839 actions on the issue. While interest and moral 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.559 support for disclosure are high, fear is even 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.779 greater. Consider that some of these top secret 00:24:13.779 --> 00:24:16.920 whistleblowers, witnesses, have said about the 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.380 secrecy and the feared engenders. And Chelsea, 00:24:19.460 --> 00:24:21.700 do you want to know who he put down as a witness 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:26.869 here? No, Edgar fucking Mitchell. as a witness 00:24:26.869 --> 00:24:29.589 I was confused by the question I get that but 00:24:29.589 --> 00:24:32.569 he puts him down as a freaking witness that proves 00:24:32.569 --> 00:24:35.349 that the government is hiding things I kind of 00:24:35.349 --> 00:24:37.529 had a feeling it was gonna go that way so it 00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:40.150 says Edgar Mitchell astronaut and then he has 00:24:40.150 --> 00:24:42.390 this little you know how the witnesses always 00:24:42.390 --> 00:24:44.130 have the vaguest statements that he's gonna put 00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:46.769 in here so from Edgar Mitchell whatever activity 00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:49.369 is going on to the extent that it is a clandestine 00:24:49.369 --> 00:24:52.029 group a quasi government group a quasi private 00:24:52.029 --> 00:24:54.910 group it is without any type as far as I can 00:24:54.910 --> 00:24:57.279 tell of high -level government oversight and 00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:59.940 it is of great concern. Mitchell later made a 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:02.160 statement to the media reporting the St. Petersburg 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.039 time, February 28, 2004, the aliens have landed. 00:25:06.500 --> 00:25:08.960 A few insiders know the truth and are studying 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.940 the bodies. A cabal of insiders stopped briefing 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:14.680 presidents about extraterrestrials after President 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.319 Kennedy. End of quote there. End of that. What 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:20.779 I'm gathering from this is that he's gone from 00:25:20.779 --> 00:25:25.069 like reputable to not and he's just conspiracy 00:25:25.069 --> 00:25:27.049 theorists now. It's gonna change a little bit 00:25:27.049 --> 00:25:29.450 as we go, but Steven Greer introduced him to 00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:32.069 the community, showed him some insiders who had 00:25:32.069 --> 00:25:34.309 some witness information, and then turned him 00:25:34.309 --> 00:25:36.750 into a freaking witness. That's Steven Greer 00:25:36.750 --> 00:25:39.829 though. You give him a little bit and he just 00:25:39.829 --> 00:25:41.809 stretches it out so far. You give him a good 00:25:41.809 --> 00:25:44.230 title and he stretches it as far as the eye can 00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.549 see. That's Steven Greer. We learned that about 00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:49.299 him. Yeah. but I found it so fascinating that 00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:52.720 it's clearly, like, you can see this. Edgar Mitchell's 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.019 being strung along by Stephen Greer. Like, there's 00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:58.480 no question about it. You probably don't have 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.240 anything on Edgar Mitchell commenting on this, 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.460 do you? Hey, guess what my next article is? Yeah! 00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.259 Edgar Mitchell most unhappy with Greer using 00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:14.400 his name as a disclosure witness. I'm so happy 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.480 about this. This is the start of it. Edgar Mitchell 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.920 stating, the Washington Times on UFO Disclosure 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.220 mentions my name as a witness for the disclosure 00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:26.079 project, which I am not and have not been. I 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.049 am not surprised at all. If you look to see who 00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:30.970 is running that Seasetty horse and pony disinfo 00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:33.490 show and tell, you will recognize familiar names. 00:26:33.569 --> 00:26:36.470 Consider the source. As a Navy man and NASA astronaut 00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:38.769 who really was out there, you know what I mean. 00:26:38.990 --> 00:26:41.329 I cooperated with Stephen Greer some years ago, 00:26:41.470 --> 00:26:44.049 but he began to overreach his data continuously, 00:26:44.430 --> 00:26:47.769 necessitating a withdrawal by myself and I believe 00:26:47.769 --> 00:26:50.190 several others. I have requested to be removed 00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.170 from any website announcements ETC, but see that 00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:56.609 this has not taken place. Jack. Typical politically 00:26:56.609 --> 00:26:59.349 -based influence operations. The real motive 00:26:59.349 --> 00:27:02.849 of the press club event was the issue of militarization 00:27:02.849 --> 00:27:06.170 of space, not UFOs, on which reasonable, well 00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:08.690 -meaning people can differ, of course. Since 00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:10.730 many millions of voters believe UFOs are real, 00:27:10.829 --> 00:27:13.009 getting control of the UFO movement clearly is 00:27:13.009 --> 00:27:15.529 a top priority for all players. And, although 00:27:15.529 --> 00:27:17.789 I firmly believe it is time for openness and 00:27:17.789 --> 00:27:21.190 disclosure by government, I object to being misused 00:27:21.190 --> 00:27:24.829 in this fashion, and I acquire guilt by association 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.220 with certain claims that simply are not true. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.180 Jack, I feel exactly as you do. I think you, 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.700 Don Ecker, and I see it eye to eye on this one. 00:27:33.859 --> 00:27:38.859 Ed, I nor any crew I was on received any briefings 00:27:38.859 --> 00:27:43.039 before or after flights on UFO events. saw anything 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.900 in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the 00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:49.359 moon. We did it just like we said in official 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.059 reports. My only claim to knowledge of these 00:27:52.059 --> 00:27:55.859 events is from the individuals mostly of yesteryear 00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:58.759 who were in government, intelligence, or military. 00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:01.839 We're there, saw what they saw, and now believe 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.970 it should be made public. but I claim no first 00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:07.670 -hand knowledge nor have any. Pass it on to the 00:28:07.670 --> 00:28:10.410 rest of the net, if you will. That's the end 00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:15.400 of that one. I think we ought to start closing 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.500 our episodes with that exact sentence. Pass it 00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.200 on to the rest of the net if you will. If you 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.000 will. Thank you and good night. Yes, you will 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.619 and you will. I love that for him. Yeah. And 00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:31.099 that just track what the type of person that 00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:34.519 Stephen Greer is. Taking all the liberties and 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.700 such. Yeah. And this was written in 2001. I had 00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:40.680 to put it after I quoted the Stephen Greer website 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.180 in 2004. but he clearly found out after like 00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:46.500 a seven, eight -year friendship that Stephen 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.680 Greer is exactly who we all know him to be and 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.359 had to distance himself from that. That took 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.339 him a really long time, actually. I also question 00:28:55.339 --> 00:28:58.420 his ability. No, he did call him out after all 00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:01.799 that time, so... I know, he got better than some, 00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:04.240 but the fact that he got to that point after 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.960 eight years and finally realized it, but also 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.819 still seems to lean on the information he got 00:29:09.819 --> 00:29:13.069 from Stephen Greer for aliens exist it sounds 00:29:13.069 --> 00:29:16.150 like that's probably where it kind of not started 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:19.190 like he had an interest no but pushed him down 00:29:19.190 --> 00:29:21.589 that path yeah and then that's where all his 00:29:21.589 --> 00:29:24.730 ideas were formed just my theorizing about it 00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:26.589 I find it really unfortunate that he just blamed 00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:28.970 Stephen Greer and he probably still believes 00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:31.970 the sources he got from Stephen Greer were legitimate 00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:34.430 and Stephen Greer told him exactly how they worked 00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:37.579 out to push him forward within this So the next 00:29:37.579 --> 00:29:40.339 one, this is a fairly prominent thing. When you 00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:42.599 look at Edgar Mitchell, this is one of the interviews 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.400 that he does that ends up being big. July 23rd, 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.500 2008, he went on Karang Radio with Nick Margarrison 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.519 and he states, I happen to have been privileged 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.079 enough to be on the fact that we've been visited 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.259 on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. 00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:00.660 Now, I need to make this statement very clear 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:03.099 at this point, Chelsea. If we didn't know anything 00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:05.700 about Edgar Mitchell, we might think that this 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:08.200 has some sort of association with him being an 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.759 astronaut, would we not? Yes. But guess what? 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.140 It has nothing to do with that. It has to do 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:16.019 with those sources that Stephen Breyer introduced 00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:18.500 into. Oh, thanks. So he goes on to say, yes, 00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:21.259 there have been ET visitation. There have been 00:30:21.259 --> 00:30:23.720 crashed crafts. There have been materials and 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:25.640 bodies recovered. There have been a certain amount 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.099 of reverse engineering that has allowed some 00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:30.680 of the crafts or those some components to be 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.460 duplicated. And there is some group of people 00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:34.519 that may or may not be allowed with government 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.880 at this point that this knowledge. They have 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.880 been attempting to steal this information. People 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.059 in high level government have very little if 00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:45.180 any valid information. In response to this NASA 00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:47.900 actually made a statement through Brian Dunning. 00:30:48.019 --> 00:30:50.140 They stated NASA is not involved in any sort 00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:51.960 of cover -up about alien life on this planet 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.920 or anywhere in the universe. Dr. Mitchell is 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.160 a great American but we do not share his opinion 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.119 on this issue. But you always have to remember 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.220 when you're reading these articles if you don't 00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:02.400 know his background and how he was introduced 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.190 to this 20 years after his astronaut career? 00:31:05.289 --> 00:31:07.970 This might come across as you saying things about 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:09.930 your astronaut career. Does it not come across 00:31:09.930 --> 00:31:13.630 that way? It very well does, and perhaps he also 00:31:13.630 --> 00:31:16.630 learned to grip like Stephen Greer. And he actually 00:31:16.630 --> 00:31:19.990 did state. Unfortunately. So he made those statements 00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:23.130 on July 23rd. On July 25th, he was on Fox News, 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:26.369 and he very specifically clarifies that his comments 00:31:26.369 --> 00:31:29.430 did not involve NASA, but quoted unnamed sources 00:31:29.430 --> 00:31:31.829 since deceased at Roswell who confided to him 00:31:31.829 --> 00:31:34.430 that Roswell incident did involve an alien. craft. 00:31:34.589 --> 00:31:37.630 Why would he continue this after Stephen Greer? 00:31:37.950 --> 00:31:40.150 Obviously my theory wasn't right that Stephen 00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:42.390 Greer was forcing him to do this. He was going 00:31:42.390 --> 00:31:46.390 around willingly? I don't know! What is, what's 00:31:46.390 --> 00:31:48.630 his deal? I'm just speculating at this point, 00:31:48.750 --> 00:31:51.069 but he thinks Stephen Greer is the bad actor, 00:31:51.309 --> 00:31:53.509 but the information he received through other 00:31:53.509 --> 00:31:56.250 sources within the Stephen Greer universe is 00:31:56.250 --> 00:31:59.329 legit so he can move forward with it. It does 00:31:59.329 --> 00:32:01.750 seem that way. I think your interpretation is 00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:05.009 right. And it really confuses me as to what he's 00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:07.970 doing moving forward with information that came 00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:10.750 secondhand. And he won't even say who told him. 00:32:10.970 --> 00:32:13.289 That's the really annoying thing. This is exactly 00:32:13.289 --> 00:32:15.670 like Stephen Greer in his interviews. What Stephen 00:32:15.670 --> 00:32:19.619 Greer did. Oh, I have 700 people that I've talked 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:22.259 to and they're all right. Also, I might add Stephen 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:24.480 Greer doesn't laugh in his interviews. What's 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:32.460 wrong with that? Yeah We have to take a little 00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:34.700 bit of a break from the UFO thing because there's 00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:36.900 a whole lawsuit that happens in the middle here 00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:39.019 We know more about it. Well, we know everything 00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:41.259 about it. It's kind of just a hilarious aside. 00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:44.920 I have to do On June 29, 2011, the federal government 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.519 of the US filed a lawsuit against Edgar Mitchell 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.779 in the United States District Court in Miami, 00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:52.380 Florida, after discovering that he placed a camera 00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:55.420 used in Apollo 14 for auction at the auction 00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:57.880 house Bonhams. The litigation requested the camera 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.319 be returned to NASA. Mitchell's position was 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.359 that NASA had given him the camera as a gift 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.160 upon the completion of Apollo 14, but the auction 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.279 site Bonhams withdrew the camera for auction. 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.339 In October of 2011, attorneys representing the 00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:12.529 government and Mitchell reached a settlement 00:33:12.529 --> 00:33:14.750 agreement and Mitchell agreed to return the camera 00:33:14.750 --> 00:33:17.509 to NASA, which in turn would donate it for display 00:33:17.509 --> 00:33:20.349 at the National Air and Space Museum. On September 00:33:20.349 --> 00:33:24.450 20th, 2012, Congress enacted H .R. 4158, confirming 00:33:24.450 --> 00:33:27.789 full ownership of rights of artifacts to astronauts 00:33:27.789 --> 00:33:30.549 on Apollo space missions. Oh, he's the one that 00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:32.490 fucked that up, eh? I just found that hilarious 00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:34.349 that they gave him a camera and he tried to auction 00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:36.329 it off and they actually had to pass something 00:33:36.329 --> 00:33:38.650 in Congress saying, no, that's our camera. Yeah, 00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:40.410 he's the one that fucked it up for everyone. 00:33:40.430 --> 00:33:44.049 Way to go, Edgar Mitchell. On September 18th, 00:33:44.049 --> 00:33:46.450 19th of 2014, NASA and the Library of Congress 00:33:46.450 --> 00:33:49.390 hosted a symposium concerning preparations for 00:33:49.390 --> 00:33:51.170 the discovery of extraterrestrial life, titled, 00:33:51.329 --> 00:33:53.950 Preparing for Discovery, a rational approach 00:33:53.950 --> 00:33:56.529 to the implications of finding microbial, complex, 00:33:56.609 --> 00:33:59.210 and intelligent life beyond Earth. The symposium 00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:02.089 failed to address the UFO phenomenon in any way, 00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:04.170 except in one statement regarding a question 00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:06.309 from a member of the audience. In response to 00:34:06.309 --> 00:34:08.869 this situation, Edgar Mitchell joined with three 00:34:08.869 --> 00:34:11.400 other writers to an open letter to NASA and the 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.539 Library of Congress pointing out the remarkable 00:34:13.539 --> 00:34:16.139 omissions of UFO data. The title of the open 00:34:16.139 --> 00:34:19.260 letter was, Neglected and unacknowledged evidence, 00:34:19.460 --> 00:34:22.800 a response to preparing for discovery. NASA Library 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.440 of Congress, Astrobiology Symposiums, others 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.219 who signed the 12 page letter, Paul Hellier, 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.420 a former Deputy Minister of Canada and Canadian 00:34:31.420 --> 00:34:34.019 UFO journalist Victor Vigiani. The open letter 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:36.420 stated, the current research within the systemic 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:40.000 knowledge base to which we refer unequivocally 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.059 confirms the existence of a wide range of hard 00:34:43.059 --> 00:34:46.039 data that points directly to the substantive 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.340 reality of the phenomenon commonly referred to 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:51.800 as unidentified flying objects. Secondly, there 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.679 exists unimpeachable evidence originating from 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.659 high -level government and military sources witness 00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:00.480 testimony and government documents that not only 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.260 validate the UFO reality but also corroborate 00:35:03.260 --> 00:35:05.360 government and military efforts to create an 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.960 embargo around this knowledge and consequently 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.019 sequester it from the public. This category of 00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:14.260 evidence, warrant to have been considered for 00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:17.340 inclusion on the symposium days, could clarify 00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:20.219 and provide lucid authentication as to the validity 00:35:20.219 --> 00:35:22.860 of the UFO phenomenon and moreover the palpable 00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:25.420 possibility that we are in fact being engaged 00:35:25.420 --> 00:35:28.500 by off -world civilizations to eliminate rigorous 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.199 examinations of either of these possibilities 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.639 at all levels of inquiry is by definition unscientific. 00:35:37.289 --> 00:35:40.489 an asshole. Yeah, I really feel like he got it 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:42.869 almost right with his rebuke of Stephen Greer, 00:35:42.949 --> 00:35:45.650 but he missed a big part of it. Yeah, this is 00:35:45.650 --> 00:35:49.829 crazy. He's now Stephen Greering it. He's using 00:35:49.829 --> 00:35:54.190 his platform as an astronaut to make it seem 00:35:54.190 --> 00:35:57.130 like he knows something and he knows nothing. 00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.530 And Chelsea, this goes so weird, too. In 2015, 00:36:00.789 --> 00:36:02.730 Edgar Mitchell did an interview with the Daily 00:36:02.730 --> 00:36:05.170 Mirror and he stated that extraterrestrials had 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:07.489 been attempting to keep us going to war with 00:36:07.489 --> 00:36:10.250 Russia and help create peace on earth. He also 00:36:10.250 --> 00:36:12.309 said quote, white sands was a testing ground 00:36:12.309 --> 00:36:14.750 for atomic weapons and that's what the extraterrestrials 00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:16.570 were interested in. They wanted to know more 00:36:16.570 --> 00:36:19.730 about military capabilities end quote. Like he 00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:23.190 just keeps going into weird subgroups that like 00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:25.889 this is not where your expertise should be in 00:36:25.889 --> 00:36:29.230 any way and he just keeps going. Where he's getting 00:36:29.230 --> 00:36:32.460 his information from? Nope. Never does. Never 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:35.340 does. Just like Stephen Greer. He learned everything 00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:37.400 from Stephen Greer and threw him under the bus. 00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:39.920 It was like, fuck you, Stephen Greer. Don't use 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.739 my name for this. And then he's like, what are 00:36:41.739 --> 00:36:43.960 those guys' names again? Oh, you won't give it 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.980 to me? OK, I'll just say protecting them. But 00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:49.719 Chelsea, you know what? A good guy in the UFO 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:51.800 community who we haven't done an asshole episode 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.659 on, so we don't think he's an asshole, but he 00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:56.400 might be an asshole. Nick Pope made statements 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.920 about Edgar Mitchell, which I want to make now. 00:36:59.059 --> 00:37:01.869 Yes, please. Nick Pope stated, I didn't put the 00:37:01.869 --> 00:37:04.289 date down, but that's okay. Edgar Mitchell is 00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:06.670 an honorable and truthful man who I've had the 00:37:06.670 --> 00:37:09.610 privilege of meeting. But, so far as I'm aware, 00:37:09.829 --> 00:37:11.949 most of his information on this issue comes not 00:37:11.949 --> 00:37:13.949 from things he's experienced himself, but from 00:37:13.949 --> 00:37:16.210 things he's been told by others. Clearly because 00:37:16.210 --> 00:37:19.070 of who he is, he set access to government, military, 00:37:19.250 --> 00:37:20.949 and intelligence community personnel at high 00:37:20.949 --> 00:37:23.769 levels, but because, quite understandably, he 00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.360 won't name his sources. We can't be certain that 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.539 these people were being straight with him or 00:37:28.539 --> 00:37:31.280 indeed that they were privy to any classified 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.139 information about UFOs. Or even that they are 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:36.980 speaking to him directly. The idea that peace 00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:39.960 -loving extraterrestrials are here to warn communities 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.940 about our destructive ways is popular with those 00:37:42.940 --> 00:37:46.199 who take a new age view on the UFO persona. It's 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.000 a nice thought, but if I'm being skeptical, I'd 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.000 point out that it's almost exactly the plot of 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.750 the classic 1951 science fiction movie. movie, 00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:57.190 The Day the Earth Stood Still. There have certainly 00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.050 been some intriguing UFO sightings around nuclear 00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:02.849 facilities and around military bases more generally, 00:38:02.949 --> 00:38:05.610 but an alternative explanation is that some of 00:38:05.610 --> 00:38:07.869 these sightings are attributable to espionage 00:38:07.869 --> 00:38:10.150 activity involving secret spy planes or drones. 00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:12.090 Given that the universe is around 14 billion 00:38:12.090 --> 00:38:15.010 years old, if we were being visited, it's unlikely 00:38:15.010 --> 00:38:17.289 we're dealing with a civilization just a few 00:38:17.289 --> 00:38:19.869 hundred years ahead of us, so stories of aliens 00:38:19.869 --> 00:38:22.630 managing to disrupt a few of our weapon tests 00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:25.110 are far -fetched. chances are they'd be millions 00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:27.429 of years ahead of us and could do anything they 00:38:27.429 --> 00:38:29.829 wanted to. That's his quote when it comes to 00:38:29.829 --> 00:38:32.409 the whole Edgar Mitchell thing. You know who 00:38:32.409 --> 00:38:35.010 Edgar Mitchell would be a good target for? Stephen 00:38:35.010 --> 00:38:37.989 Greer. favorite girl, Richard Doty, someone planting 00:38:37.989 --> 00:38:40.710 disinformation. Richard Doty. Disinformation. 00:38:40.909 --> 00:38:43.349 I don't think Richard Doty's stupid enough to 00:38:43.349 --> 00:38:45.789 be like, I'm gonna go feed him disinformation 00:38:45.789 --> 00:38:49.010 because he's doing it to himself. Interestingly 00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:51.349 enough, I don't know what this has to do with 00:38:51.349 --> 00:38:53.550 anything, but I don't think Richard Doty has 00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:56.130 ever disinfoed somebody who worked for the government 00:38:56.130 --> 00:38:59.210 previously. Ah, that's true. That's a weird comment. 00:38:59.230 --> 00:39:00.969 I don't know if it's just like maybe he never 00:39:00.969 --> 00:39:03.090 actually got to meet him. Maybe, but at the same 00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:06.599 time, he seems to be disinfowing himself. Doesn't 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.079 seem like he's doing any brown making research. 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.019 It doesn't seem like he's doing anything. No, 00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:15.840 it really just seems like he takes info and then 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.440 regurgitates it. I agree. That's so weird. So 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.699 if I were Richard Doty, I'd be like, he's doing 00:39:21.699 --> 00:39:24.239 it to himself. He's good. But unfortunately, 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.159 Chelsea, his regurgitating days are past. Edgar 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.699 Mitchell died in hospice in West Palm Beach on 00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:34.400 February 14th, 2016 at the age of 85. It was 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.840 the eve of the 45th anniversary of his lunar 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.519 landing. He's a guy who's passed, but nevertheless, 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.920 I found it very important to still talk about 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.019 him. Just because he's passed doesn't mean his 00:39:45.019 --> 00:39:47.619 story doesn't carry on. Chelsea, he still has 00:39:47.619 --> 00:39:49.599 stories coming out of about him. This article 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.820 titled, Wife of Apollo Astronaut Reveals Husband's 00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:55.059 Strange Encounters with UFOs He Told Her Before 00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:59.199 He Died. I believe this is a funeral ad published 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:04.599 on March 15th of 2025 by Britt Jones. Anita Mitchell 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.239 was married to the late NASA pilot Edgar Mitchell, 00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.280 who was the sixth man to walk on the moon in 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.099 1971. According to the wife of an Apollo astronaut, 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.119 her husband used to tell her secrets about what 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.900 he really saw in space. Keeping in mind, Anita 00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:20.769 Mitchell was the second of three wives who wasn't 00:40:20.769 --> 00:40:23.750 his wife during the moon landing. She is married 00:40:23.750 --> 00:40:26.789 to him from 73 to I think 80, somewhere in there, 00:40:26.949 --> 00:40:29.409 before he met the Playboy bunny. Before the moon 00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:31.550 landing or after? After the moon landing. He 00:40:31.550 --> 00:40:34.289 was on the moon in 71. He married her in 73. 00:40:34.409 --> 00:40:36.510 He told the Daily Mail that he had encounters 00:40:36.510 --> 00:40:38.829 with strange things and that it wasn't unusual 00:40:38.829 --> 00:40:40.869 to see something out of the ordinary. She said, 00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:43.550 quote, He always felt that there were UFOs out 00:40:43.550 --> 00:40:45.789 there because so many of the pilots and astronauts 00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:49.110 had seen something. Which, yeah, we knew. That 00:40:49.110 --> 00:40:51.630 doesn't say he saw anything with that quote. 00:40:51.829 --> 00:40:54.230 No, not at all. He claims that some of his crewmates, 00:40:54.389 --> 00:40:57.110 including Apollo astronaut James McDivitt, reported 00:40:57.110 --> 00:40:59.230 seeing mysterious objects such as the strange 00:40:59.230 --> 00:41:02.030 craft. Mitchell shared, and Mitchell, by that 00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:06.130 I mean Anita, not Edgar, quote, I remember Gordy 00:41:06.130 --> 00:41:08.389 telling us at a dinner party in our house that 00:41:08.389 --> 00:41:11.500 he had seen something. He said, listen. We have 00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:14.019 nothing that goes that fast and goes that high." 00:41:14.019 --> 00:41:15.940 End quote. Cooper took part in the Mercury and 00:41:15.940 --> 00:41:18.780 Gemini projects and was part of the early missions. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.340 She has now got so many stories from ex -NASA 00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:24.219 astronauts that she decided to tell it all in 00:41:24.219 --> 00:41:26.980 a new book titled You Don't Look Like an Astronaut's 00:41:26.980 --> 00:41:29.099 Wife. She was married to the husband from 73 00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.800 to 84 and the astronaut died in 2016. However, 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.480 he has always She's trying to make money. It 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.840 sure does, doesn't it? Although weird time, like 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.260 nine years after he died. Does she just feel 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:41.280 like she's nearing the end and needs to get their 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.059 money out of it? Yeah, definitely. And he can't 00:41:43.059 --> 00:41:44.940 read it, right? I think that's as far as I need 00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:47.199 to go. Chelsea, I'm going to end this off with 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:49.699 the rational wiki story on Edgar Mitchell, okay? 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.440 Okay. Edgar Mitchell was an Apollo astronaut, 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.599 founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences and 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.440 UFO conspiracy nut. He is the only astronaut 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.440 to have publicly divulged LSD experimentation, 00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:03.190 which we didn't talk about. That's the noetic 00:42:03.190 --> 00:42:05.710 science stuff. Although his post -lunar beard 00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:08.309 was not nearly as fetching as transcendental 00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:12.170 meditation practitioner Rusty Swygart's Skylab 00:42:12.170 --> 00:42:15.190 -era Shaggenchops. Mitchell never claimed or 00:42:15.190 --> 00:42:17.829 even hinted that he saw anything alien on the 00:42:17.829 --> 00:42:20.050 moon on the way to the moon or on the way back 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:23.030 from the moon. He never ever said he'd seen an 00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:25.989 alien on Earth despite having been raised not 00:42:25.989 --> 00:42:28.750 far from Roswell. However, he said many times 00:42:28.750 --> 00:42:31.190 that he'd been briefed by senior military officials 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:34.070 and that alien visitation is an established fact. 00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:36.769 Other UFO believers love him because they think 00:42:36.769 --> 00:42:39.429 that his claims are insider info. That's the 00:42:39.429 --> 00:42:41.650 end of his article. And that's the end of my 00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:43.969 episode. Chelsea, what do you think of Edgar 00:42:43.969 --> 00:42:47.289 Mitchell? I'm certainly happy that it wasn't 00:42:47.289 --> 00:42:51.179 another boring guy episode. And I'm sure everyone 00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:54.179 else will be happy that they got another asshole 00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:56.599 episode. Probably not that we're laughing. I 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.179 don't know if I can call him an asshole. Is he 00:42:59.179 --> 00:43:02.860 an asshole by omission? In my official asshole 00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:06.340 judgment, I am filing him under asshole. The 00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:09.539 type of asshole though is up for debate. I would 00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.219 call him a naive asshole. That's what I'm filing 00:43:12.219 --> 00:43:13.960 it under. You know what? That's not a bad way 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.420 to put it. But how naive? Because you've got 00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:19.599 to give him a lot of credit for at least acknowledging 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.420 the fact that Stephen Greer is an asshole. And 00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:25.159 he should not be listened to because he used 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.199 him. Completely incorrect. But then just completely 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.920 straight away from anything else within that 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.849 regard. I think for him to continue on in exactly 00:43:33.849 --> 00:43:36.869 the fashion, it seems as exactly the fashion 00:43:36.869 --> 00:43:39.969 to which he called Steven Gurer out. Naive feels 00:43:39.969 --> 00:43:42.409 right. And now that I think about it, yeah, naive 00:43:42.409 --> 00:43:44.510 in that the only time you ever called somebody 00:43:44.510 --> 00:43:48.150 out is when it's him being completely lied about. 00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:51.690 Like that's it. Yeah. I'm javelled hitting the 00:43:51.690 --> 00:43:54.690 desk. I've ruled. And I do have to agree, I would 00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:57.769 call him an asshole by omission. The fact that 00:43:57.769 --> 00:44:01.460 he allows the term astronaut to be attached to 00:44:01.460 --> 00:44:03.739 everything that he's doing bothers me a lot. 00:44:03.739 --> 00:44:06.119 Well, doesn't the doctor for Dr. Steven Greer 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:11.179 bother you? Yes, that one does too. both assholes 00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:13.360 especially love in his documentaries when they're 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.320 like oh you're a doctor so you're going to be 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.320 doing the autopsy of course and it's the same 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.820 reason that Stephen Greer does it it's for it's 00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:22.800 the clout it's the clout that it attaches to 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.860 it he does if it gets brought up at all he will 00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:29.460 specifically state this has nothing to do with 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:32.500 my astronaut life but he doesn't state it on 00:44:32.500 --> 00:44:34.909 his own which I think is an important distinction. 00:44:35.150 --> 00:44:36.929 Whereas Stephen Greer, he'll just avoid it entirely. 00:44:36.949 --> 00:44:39.210 Yeah, I'm finally into the same thing. I think 00:44:39.210 --> 00:44:41.989 they're up to the same kind of stuff. Edgar Mitchell 00:44:41.989 --> 00:44:44.530 seems a little bit more naive about it. I would 00:44:44.530 --> 00:44:47.309 put him above Stephen Greer. Stephen Greer is 00:44:47.309 --> 00:44:50.289 a bigger asshole than Edgar Mitchell. There is 00:44:50.289 --> 00:44:53.349 some goodness towards Edgar Mitchell. Stephen 00:44:53.349 --> 00:44:56.269 Greer didn't have a boring part. He was all asshole. 00:44:57.389 --> 00:45:00.869 All asshole all the time. But I think this did 00:45:00.869 --> 00:45:02.730 uncover some names that we're gonna have to look 00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:05.329 into in the future. I do want to do a Nick Pope 00:45:05.329 --> 00:45:08.269 episode at some point. I am just a little worried 00:45:08.269 --> 00:45:10.369 about him becoming an asshole. There's people 00:45:10.369 --> 00:45:12.630 I'm concerned about and are seeming more and 00:45:12.630 --> 00:45:15.170 more like an asshole. 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