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look into Chelsea, I don't want to say asshole
of the UFO community because I don't know at
this point if I would consider this an asshole
of the UFO community, but it's a person in the
UFO community. That is one astronaut by the name
of Edgar Mitchell. Okay now this is going to
be a two -part episode the first part we're going
to look at his career before getting into UFOs
and then the next episode is going to be from
that point onwards Chelsea how familiar are you
with Edgar Mitchell? Only kind of sort of I don't
know a whole lot about him I'm sure in all my
years of listening to things that I've listened
to things about him Well, you probably heard
him too. In fact, I'm pretty sure I have but
there's nothing that I can actually fully recall
of him saying but I do know of him I know he's
an astronaut that talks about UFOs, but I can't
quote anything that he's been saying I think
he's come up like four or five times in episodes
for us but it's always just like passing remarks
and he's used as a buttress a support for your
position to like say like look even this astronaut
believes it so surely i was gonna say it makes
sense Yeah, I was gonna say that too. I'm sure
there's a lot of assholes in the UFO community
even, using him to reference stuff that they're
talking about. I'm sure they're an astro. And
in fact, the most recent episode I think he came
up in was the Stephen Greer episodes where he
had to come out and condemn what Stephen Greer
was saying about him. Right! Yes, yes, I remember
that now. Good ol' Stephen Greer. I hate him.
Oh god, he's an awful human being. Such an asshole.
because he does come up in passing in that way
and he's used to support and it's basically like
saying like if this astronaut can believe these
things then surely there's implications for it
he learned these things while he was doing that
what he did in space supports what I'm talking
about something along those lines has to be there
Even if you say this astronaut believes in UFOs
I mean there's a couple of them that believe
in UFOs Even if you put that out like this astronaut
you believe in UFOs There's a little bit of credence
to that for the mere fact that they've stepped
foot in space exactly No, there's implications
that it has something to do with their career.
Is there not there is yeah, cuz they've been
in space So they too are an alien Okay, not quite
what I was gonna do I was gonna say that they
saw something while they were in space or something
connected to it but those things can be right
my personal theory which we'll likely talk about
more later because astronauts are kind of like
professional athletes in that their actual career
ends fairly early on that end they end up retiring
early and getting a lot of time for hobbies but
okay let's not lead that away from what we're
going to be talking about let's talk about what
you're talking about let's talk about egger mitchell
now Yeah. I do have to spoil this now. Edgar
unfortunately is dead. I believe he died in 2016.
He lived a long happy life though, so don't worry
too much about that. Edgar Mitchell was born
on September 17th, 1930, Hereford, Texas. He
came from a ranching family that moved him to
New Mexico during the Depression and considered
Artesia, New Mexico, which is near Roswell, his
hometown. He first learned to fly, and this is
very much so something that can't happen in these
generations anymore, when he was 13. It's just
not something that's an opportunity for everybody.
He received his first private pilot license at
16, was active in the Boy Scouts of America,
where he achieved its second highest rank, Life
Scout. So you know he's not a liar. Yeah. It
also makes me concerned for his safety, because
a lot of controversy is probably going around
back then in the Boy Scouts. Well no, they weren't
out yet. He was also a member of the This is,
I was thinking of cutting this out, but just
because the implications of it in the conspiracy
community had to keep it in. He was a member
of the Demolay International, part of the Masonic
fraternity, and was inducted into its Hall of
Fame. Mitchell was a member of Artesia Lodge
number 29 in New Mexico. He received a Bachelor
of Science degree in the Industrial Management
from Carnegie Institute of Technology in 1952,
where he was a member of Kappa Sigma Fraternity.
The same year, he entered the United States Navy
and completed basic training at San Diego Recruit
Depot. While on active duty in the Navy, he earned
a second bachelor's degree in aeronautical engineering
from the U .S. Naval Postgraduate School in 1961
and a doctorate of science degree in aeronautics
and astronautics from MIT in 1964. I wouldn't
normally get too much into the personal life,
but this weirdly comes up in the second half.
He's had multiple marriages. First, married to
Louise Randall from 1951 to 1972. They get divorced.
He marries Anita Redig in 1973, and then they
get divorced in 84, and he ends up having an
affair and marrying a Playboy model, Sheila Ledbetter.
Okay. He lives a very promiscuous life, I think,
to say the least there. Yeah, no, that's the
exact word I was just going to use. When it comes
to flying, he has a pretty good career. In May
of 53, after completing instructing at the Officer
Candidate School at Newport, Rhode Island, Mitchell
was commissioned in Ensign. He completed flight
training in July of 1954. Following the completion
of his graduate studies, Mitchell served as Chief
Project Management Division of the Navy Field
Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory from
16 From 1965 to 1966 he attended the US Air Force
Aerospace Research Pilot School for certification
as a test pilot. Graduating first in his class
during this period Mitchell served as an instructor
in advanced mathematics and navigation theory
for astronaut candidates. Mitchell accumulated
during his career 5 ,000 hours flight time including
2 ,000 hours in jet aircrafts and that brings
us to his NASA career. Mitchell was selected
in 66 as part of NASA's fifth astronaut group.
He was assigned to the support group for Apollo
9 and then was designated as a backup lunar module
pilot for Apollo 10. This placed him in rotation
for Apollo 13, but he got switched to Apollo
14 so that Commander Alan Shepard, who had been
grounded by a medical problem since the Gemini
program, could train longer. During the Apollo
13 crisis, Mitchell was part of the Apollo 13
operations team and as such was awarded the Presidential
Medal of Freedom by Nixon in 1970. He worked
in an Apollo simulator to help bring the crew
back. One issue he worked on was how to fly the
lunar module with an inert Apollo command service
module attached to it. I looked it up, his name's
not actually used in Apollo 13, the movie, but
he's a very integral part to getting these people
back to Earth, which is just crazy. Yeah, it
sounds like Tom Hanks back down to Earth, right?
Yeah, yeah, you got it. Yep, Tom Hanks. I think
he had a different name in the movie, but Tom
Hanks. Oh, okay. He then went on to serve as
the lunar module pilot on Apollo 14, landing
with Shepard aboard the lunar module Antares
on February 5, 1971 in the hilly uplands of Fra
Mauro Highlands, region of the Moon. They stayed
on the Moon for 33 hours, deployed and activated
lunar surface scientific equipment and experiments,
and collected over 100 pounds of lunar samples
for return to Earth. Other Apollo 14 achievements
include only use of the mobile equipment transporter,
first Successful use of the color television
with a new viticon tube. Longest distance traversed
on foot on the lunar surface or just payload
placed in lunar orbit. First use of the shortened
lunar orbit rendezvous technique and first extensive
orbital science period conducted during CSM solo
operations. Chelsea, this one's also incredibly
famous as the one where they went golfing on
the moon. Okay, I just had a train of thought
here, and I hope I'm not ruining anything by
saying this. Edgar Mitchell isn't the one who
was recorded where, was it they went around the
dark side of the moon and they lost contact,
but they were still recorded as doing something?
Yeah. Okay, it's not Edgar Mitchell. That's not
him. I'm trying to think of who that is, but
it's not him. Yeah, it's just right on the tip
of my brain. I can't remember exactly what it
is, but you know. In any event, he is one of
- Two. astronauts who spent the most time on
the moon. It's one of the most famous photos
of astronauts on the moon that he took. He was
part of the team that golfed on the moon. Fairly
big deal. And in completing his first spaceflight,
Mitchell logged 216 hours and 42 minutes in space.
He was subsequently designated to serve as backup
on the lunar module pilot for Apollo 16. During
the mission, he took photos, including the one
with Shepard raising the American flag. In the
photo, Mitchell's shadow was cast over the lunar
surface near the flag. The photos listed in popular
science's photo gallery as the best astronaut
selfies. And a quote that he has from his time
in space. You develop an instant global consciousness,
a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction
with the state of the world, and a compulsion
to do something about it. From out there on the
moon, international politics looks so petty.
You want to grab a politician by the scruff of
the neck and drag him a quarter of a million
miles out and say, look at that, you son of a
bitch. I like that. Up to there, very impressive.
Yeah. I texted you this and I was trying for
the longest time to figure out what was his jump
from this to UFOs. Was it this like global encompassing
idea? Like there's something bigger than just
us? And then I keep doing some research and I
learn more. Okay, good. That's usually how it
works. We're going to go to a Vice article on
this. Now, can I just interrupt and ask another
question? Yeah, go ahead. No, it's Buzz Aldrin.
It was the first walk on the moon. That was fate.
That was my whole train of thought. Oh, yeah,
where he gets confronted and punch somebody in
the face. Yeah, that's not him. No, he actually
was on the moon. There's no conspiracy theories
about him not being there. Nobody seems to dispute
him. And it's kind of funny because he's on the
conspiracist side on a lot of these things. So
they're just like, yeah, sure, he went to the
moon. Why not? No, he actually did. He's fine.
Good for him. I found an article on vice and
it's called the moonwalking alien hunting psychic
astronaut who got sued by NASA by Alex Pasternak
from May 14th 2016 I like all of that what you
just said well I think they might have put some
keywords in there All great stuff. While Mitchell
and crewmate Alan Shepard would have more time
than anyone else to amble across the lunar surface
9 hours, the schedule remained tight and there
was important work to do in the name of politics,
but also of science. On the way back to Earth,
however, things were more relaxed. quieter. Mitchell
took time to look out the window and was transfixed
by the sight of the largest thing he'd ever seen,
the largest thing he'd ever known, floating in
the dark. A moment would change his life, giving
him a glimpse of a deeper hidden nature. Quote,
all of us had the experience, let's call it the
overview effect or the big picture effect of
seeing Earth in its setting rather than as the
end all and be all of living systems. End quote,
Mitchell told me in 2012. Quote, my own experience
was a very powerful one on the way back after
my work was done from looking at Earth from space
you come up with the question who are we how
did we get here and where is all this going and
that's an ancient ancient question that humans
have asked for a long time. My experience was
to realize that perhaps our science is wrong
at answering these questions and perhaps our
religious cosmologies are archaic and flawed
and given that now we are an extraterrestrial
civilization ourselves we need to re -ask these
questions and do a lot more work to find the
answers." But more so than other astronauts,
Mitchell's brief trip to outer space led to a
lifelong exploration of inner space and an entire
universe of unexplained phenomena. Continuing
an unauthorized ESP experiment he began in the
command module during his trip back to Earth,
Mitchell became a connoisseur of parapsychology
conferring with mystic healers and psychics like
Yuri Geller. Later, he would examine allegations
of alien visits to Earth and claim that governance
around the world had sought to cover up the truth
about UFOs. It just so happened that Mitchell
spent much of his adolescence in Artesia near
Roswell and was a teenager in July of 1947 when
the famous UFO crash happened there. He had spoken
with people in the government who confirmed his
suspicions but confessed he had no hard proof.
What evidence there was was enough for him, he
said, and anyway, typical scientific proof could
only go so far, he seemed to argue. So much about
the universe remained mysterious and deserve
continuous even highly speculative exploration.
That was his major key, a theme that emerged
from his return trip to Earth and the interconnected
euphoria he experienced. Many if not all astronauts
report that the global perspective changes not
just physically but psychically once they've
seen Earth from space, a sublime feeling about
nature and that we're just scratching the surface
of it and that most of the time it's barely seen
much less understood. Whoa, there was a sense
that our present as space travelers, and the
existence of the universe itself was not accidental,
but that there was an intelligent process at
work." He wrote in his book, The Way of the Explorer.
Kevin Oshner, director of the Social Cognitive
Neuroscience Laboratory at Columbia University,
told Motherboard's Dave Simpson that feeling
seems to be something like awe, a diminished
sense of self in the face of something larger
and bigger than you that has existed for a longer
period of time than you. It's sort of incomprehensible
within the lifespan of a single person, and it
has interesting transformative effects on people
in the short term and long term." The feeling
of seeing the earth from space might be the quintessential
idea of the sublime, an idea plumbed by the romantics.
David Morris, a professor of English at the University
of Illinois and the scholar of utopian 19th century
literature, compares it to the experience of
the whale, the idea that, quote, nature can't
quite be understood or confronted, but one looks
at it with awe, end quote. The next year, he
ended in Paul Temple co -founded the Institute
of Noetic Sciences in Northern California. Noetic
means psychic sciences, basically. Now I remember
where I know I'm from. A non -profit group dedicated
to studying how beliefs, thoughts, and intentions
affect the physical world. The word Noetic is
from the Greek, okay, it's right here. Noetikos
relates to a branch of philosophy concerned with
the study of mind and intellect. Mitchell sought
to usher the study into the scientific realm.
He's a part of Tom DeLong's group, isn't he?
He's dead. He died right around the time that
To the Stars came out. So I don't know if he
ever was. I want to say there was some mention
of him in our episodes that we did on To the
Stars. I want to say that, but I'm not also not
looking. I'm going to look at it while you do
your talking. OK. The Institute's website, which
received a bump in traffic after its work, was
featured in The Lost Symbol, a novel by Dan Brown,
quotes the psychologist William James, prescribing
the noetic quality of mystical states, which
sounds like the sort of thing Mitchell experienced
in space. Quote, the states of insight into depths
of truth, umplumbed by the discursive intellect.
They are illuminations, revelations full of significance
and importance, all inarticulate, though they
remain, and as a rule they carry them with them.
a curious sense of authority." Bolstered by new
explorations into consciousness and the quantum
underpinnings of the brain, Mitchell promulgated
a theory that all action in the universe are
imprinted upon a transcendent quantum hologram.
The notion that the entire universe lives on
a hologram has become a focus of some theoreticians,
but it's not the same as quantum holography,
a method in modern physics that allows researchers
to image hidden objects with entangled photons.
This concept he described as a giant disc in
the sky encoding every event and object across
time and space and Chelsea from that article
I kind of got the impression somewhat that it
was seeing everything from space again brought
him to this UFO in noetics but there's one thing
within that that gave the impression that it
could have happened before that it's the fact
that he was carrying out a science experiment
on board that got brought up with Yuri Geller
yeah and I was like oh this must run deeper this
is This is an interview that Edgar Mitchell gave
in late 2001 to a magazine called Cabinet, and
this is him describing some of the things about
this test. So let's just learn here. This is
Edgar speaking. It happened about three weeks
before the mission. I met some research physicists,
doctors Boyle and Maxey, who were very interested
in the field and suggested to me that this would
be an ideal time to do the experiment. They gathered
and coordinated everything. I was too busy for
that. In addition to the two of them, there was
a reputable Next he's answering this question.
Were you already interested in ESP? Answer. Oh
yes, I had a religious upbringing and was always
interested in science. The two seemed to have
different answers, which bothered me. When the
chance to go to the moon came up, it re -raised
the question about what kind of world we lived
in, because nobody had been outside the atmosphere.
I had been reading literature for several years
and had become convinced science says it can't
work, but laboratory experiments to show that
it does. Next he's answering this question. Why
the interest in doing these experiments in space?
Because no one had ever done them. at those distances.
The question was whether the effect fell off
with distance, and the answer is no. People had
thought this, but no one had ever proved it at
distances of hundreds of thousands of miles.
Was it difficult to hide this experiment from
your colleagues? There was nothing to hide. I
conducted the experiment on my own time with
my friends. It was really intended to be a very
personal and private experiment. We had no intentions
to making it public. Olaf Jonsson unfortunately
told the press before we ever had a chance to
look at the data. The media was a big problem
because they were biased against the experiment.
Most people in the media don't know anything
about statistics and they wrote whatever the
particular reporter or editor thought. When the
media learned about the experiment, it lost its
effectiveness even though it was subsequently
published in scientific journals. Of course,
one experiment doesn't make anything change,
but it did show that what had worked in the laboratory
also worked in space with the same very positive
results. Professionals in the field thought it
was very In telepathy, space doesn't matter.
Now we understand this very well, and we have
the science now to show exactly how it works.
It has nothing to do with space and time. It
is what we call non -local communication. Next
question, could you explain how you set up the
experiment? My experiment involved four transmission
sessions during rest periods programmed into
the flight. The well -known experiment in the
laboratory was to use cards with the five zener
symbols, but the actual cards aren't important.
It was easier for me to to use random number
tables then carry the physical cards. Instead,
all I did was generate four tables with 25 random
numbers just using the numbers 1 to 5, then randomly
assigned a zener symbol to each number. For each
transmission, I would then check the particular
tables of random numbers and think about the
corresponding symbol for 15 seconds. Each transmission
was about 6 minutes. I did this when I was ready
to go to sleep at night. We had sleeping bag
hammocks that we would put underneath the ca
- and two of us would go to sleep in a hammock
while the other one would be on watch. I would
do the experiment before going to sleep in my
sleeping bag. So Chelsea do you kind of understand
what the experiment was? Yeah if he was saying
that he did this on his own time and everything
and it was just his friend leaking this how did
it make it into scientific journals? It sounds
like they were trying to actually come up with
a scientific paper but it got leaked before the
paper actually came out. Oh okay I misunderstood
that. Yeah I just want to make sure too when
talking about transmitting. He's not talking
about sending like an actual communication back
to earth about his responses. He is saying I'm
thinking these thoughts out to the void so that
the psychics can hear them. Yeah, not quite the
same concept of like remote viewing or ESP for
that matter. He's just kind of putting it out
into the universe to see who could pick it up.
I'd be interested to hear his results on that.
Yes, we're going to get to that and also a few
other things about it. I've actually never heard
the concept of just putting it out there while
you're in space or how you would study that.
How is that in the scientific paper? And the
next question they ask is how are you able to
coordinate with the people on Earth? Answer.
We didn't. We tried to coordinate, but we were
off. That didn't seem to make any difference.
We took off 40 minutes late, but I didn't try
for any exact time anyways, just in the evenings.
We now understand why that should work, because
the sequence is important, but having the precise
time is not. So like, it wasn't like these guys
were trying to receive what he was putting out
there at the same time. It was just they guessed,
basically. They went out there and time didn't
matter. They went out there and tried to get
it. This experiment seems like a mess. You don't
say. Were your colleagues at NASA suspicious
when you returned? Answer. Everything proceeded
normally. I later became a standby pilot for
Apollo 16 and retired from NASA in 1972. The
reaction at NASA was very, very minimal, except
for Werner Von Braun and quite a few engineers.
NASA management ignored the experiments. Many
people came to my office and closed the door
and wanted me to tell them about it, which I
did. Nobody else said a thing. Werner was very
intrigued by it and was very supportive. He wanted
me to do a survey of NASA installations to see
if there was any place that would be useful and
appropriate for us to do some more of. this work
to further these studies in a deeper way, but
we both left NASA before we ever got that really
accomplished. He also came and spoke at a fundraising
dinner for the Institute of Noetic Sciences,
which I didn't know that side of Werner von Braun.
He might actually be worth an episode. I'm going
to add it right now. And also while I'm adding
that right now, no, he had nothing to do it to
the start. So my bad. I completely retract my
statement or question. I didn't make a statement.
I had a question. Next question here. When you
came back, did you become a media personality
because of the experiments or because you were
an astronaut who had come back from the moon?
Answer. A certain segment of people were truly
interested in questions of mind and consciousness
and spiritual matters and so forth. There were
really two constituencies, like there always
has been. Next question. How did your voyage
to the moon change your life? Answer. After the
work was done, when we were coming home, I had
time to contemplate. A spacecraft was working
well. I could look out the window for three days
and enjoy it. I had a non -local feeling that
there is something here I don't understand even
though I know about galactic information. How
the stars and elements are formed and so on.
It felt a part of it. It was my molecules. It
was real abstract sensation. That insight set
the tone for my last 30 years. I had to understand
what kind of a brain is it that allows me to
experience this. So I came back and started studying
the mystical traditions. Yuri Geller. and the
inner religious experiences of humans. Because
of my epiphany in space, I have come back and
spent 30 years trying to explain what mind -brain
is. How did you meet Yuri Geller? Answer. The
gentleman who was originally doing work with
Dr. Andrea Puharich called me and asked if I
was interested in meeting him. Geller has been
investigated many times all over the world by
scientists and magicians who are trying to debunk
him. You have to work with these people on their
terms. You find out what their shtick is, so
to speak, and you set up a science protocol.
that works within the parameters and that they
are comfortable with. We did not set up a controlled
experiment to do teleportation, for example.
We didn't really know how to do that. He didn't
really answer that question, did he? Not in the
least. I guess he kind of did. He asked if you
wanted to meet him. But like it kind of got just
kind of ended weirdly there. But you did ask
him if he could teleport a camera. You forgot
on the moon. Answer. That was really more of
a joke because I was annoyed with him. We were
trying to get work done. OK, that's why he didn't
answer it fully. OK, we were trying to get work
done in the laboratory and it wasn't working.
And Geller said that he was good with teleportation.
So I said, OK, teleport back the camera I left
on the moon. He didn't get the camera back, but
he did get two lost Taibin's of my back. A piece
of one of them showed up in Geller's mouth as
he was eating ice cream, to the surprise of all
of us. The other Taibin and the rest of the first
one then showed up in the laboratory. One piece
turned up right in front of Dr. Puthoff when
he was with a large group of people, and the
other dropped to the floor between Dr. Puthoff
and me when we were in the laboratory alone.
Men who stare at goats. It's not Stargate. It's
um, why do we always call men who stare at goats?
We did the episode. And they're both involved
in Two of the Stars, which is where I'm getting
some overlap here. I swear he came up in our
Two of the Stars episode, but I couldn't search
his name in there. He's definitely not in there,
but I must have seen it in our research. It is...
what the hell is it? I'm trying to come up with
it right now before we move on because it's gonna
bother the shit out of me. What was it called?
this one says project stargate that's what i
thought is it well there's another one that i'm
thinking mk ultra mk ultra no it's not mk ultra
mk ultra is that what you're oh maybe remote
viewing is what we're thinking of because that's
the episode oh potentially potentially we're
both just fucking confused yep we are in the
more remote viewing at project stargate yeah
project stargate Next question in this interview.
What is your most important current project?
Answer. My biggest project is developing further
the understanding of the quantum hologram and
how it works in relation to the brain. The real
enigma we don't have a handle on yet is the psychokinetic
effect. It has to do with intentionality in the
quantum hologram, but exactly how that functions
physically is not obvious to us. The perception
of non -local information like ESP is easy to
explain through the quantum hologram. You're
just picking up information from another person.
Telepathy is just information coming in. Psychokinesis,
just information going out. But the material
deformation of things is a little more mysterious.
It takes energy to bend a ring. We can understand
healing, you are a sick person, and I give you
the information and your body heals itself. But
how to move a ring is a different problem. The
universe and the experiences within it arise
from natural causes. The remainder of the problem
of consciousness that is, is to look for the
evidence from modern science that points the
way to reality. Eventually we'll be able to explain
it all because it is natural, not supernatural.
It's just our ignorance that causes it to seem
unnatural. And his last question is what is the
quantum hologram? It is the concept of quantum
hologram. It's based on quantum emissions from
all physical objects, you, me, the camera, any
physical object of macroscopic size, molecular
and above, and absorbs quantum energy. Quantum
emitted from every object we've discovered carries
information about the physical. The quantum hologram
is this information structure from a physical
object and is non -local, which means it is not
space -time restricted. It appears to be a proper
mechanism for explaining virtually all things,
all these types of psychic manifestation that
we know of. We are now beginning to understand
what consciousness is and what we understand
so far is that the quantum holographic record
survives, is our history, it records our passage,
it records what we do and it's available to the
future. It appears to be nature's way of preserving
our experience, that's the non -local part, it's
the informational part of us. so that everything
we do as physical beings is recorded in the ephemeral
quantum holographic record, the giant hard disk
in the sky, if you will. I can pick up what he's
putting down. What I'm hearing from this is that
he's pretty interested in the topic. I especially
get from the start of this that space wasn't
the cataclysm that put him into it. He seemed
to have a predisposition before that. Did he
not? Like he talked about being brought up religious
and there was that psychic... feeling from that.
was before he went to space which is kind of
cool that his life kind of went in the path of
going to space and that I don't know that it
perpetuated or whatnot with his already interest
but it definitely gave him a different perspective
on where he's going. I can totally get behind
what he's going. It kind of gave him a further
perspective on there being more to reality because
he's seen Earth from outside so he's seen it
in a different perspective. He's seeing the tree
for the tree not for the leaves. I do want to
especially say he had to have had this interest
before he went into space because he went into
space with the intention of performing a site
as an experiment in space so he couldn't have
realized this in space totally good point but
it also seems like he had some very impactful
moments and realizations while he was there as
well i mean i know the point you're making that
is clear is that he definitely had an interest
before he went up to space though i am going
to turn it back just to the end of the Vice article
from here. Mitchell pointed out that UFO sightings
were common near military bases, but not necessarily
because they were actually just experimental
aircrafts or weapon tests. The alien presence
was a warning. Mitchell noted that Roswell crash
occurred near America's largest weapons testing
range at a time when it was developing its most
powerful nuclear bombs. In his view, the Roswell
aliens had crashed while on important missions
to prevent humans from destroying themselves
in their home. Quote, let's hope that that is
exactly what the ET's extraterrestrials are trying
to show us. We don't need to be this warlike
civilization. We need to learn to be a cooperative
civilization working together to solve our survival
problems and our sustainability problems. Because
right now civilization as we live it is not sustainable.
It's a question as to whether we can make it
through the century or not the way we're doing
things right now." End quote, end of article.
I think actually that shows that his trip to
space kind of had an impact on what he perceives
of things. Like he is talking about like sustainability.
Definitely. Getting along. But none of that came
from his time in space. I need to make that clear.
Outside of his perspective on peace and bringing
everybody together. He's talking about UFOs at
that point in this article. Yeah. But that doesn't
come from his time as an astronaut. They need
to make that very clear. What he's talking about
there is just like he thinks they're here for
peaceful purposes. Okay. And specifically to
bring everybody together and kind of give that
feeling that he got in space. I don't like people
pushing an agenda of what aliens are really up
to. I don't like that. It very eerily sounds
like somebody else who we finished a two part
episode on fairly recently too, does it not?
They're here for peace. They're all peaceful.
What's that again? Steven Greer. That's why I'm
saying I don't like it when they're telling me
yes, they're bad or good. And you only get the
two. Nobody's going to divide it on the matter.
Yeah. And there's definite opinions. Aliens aren't
allowed to choose for themselves. We have to
tell you. Not all people are inherently bad or
good. I mean, some people, but most people have,
you know, their good moments and their bad moments.
My other question to you is Edgar Mitchell, he's
never had any experiences with UFOs. Nope. Just
an interest. Okay. Not at all. And it's funny
because he grew up. right beside Roswell. Like
I said, he was a teenager when Roswell happened
and was an astronaut. That's just gonna happen
naturally. Yeah, that's just gonna happen naturally,
I think. I think a lot of people like to assume
that he has an interaction with aliens that brought
him about to this, but absolutely nothing in
his past. I could see that. People like this
can also play off that assumption, knowing full
well that that's probably the assumption. And
this is the important thing, they can leave that
part of it unstated and let everybody who's listening
assume that that's where it comes from and that
works very well in this community 100 % especially
if you're talking about UFOs I did just want
to end part one off with this came from a book
review by Bob Carroll it's called the entangled
minds of Dean Raden where he's talking about
the experiment that Edgar Mitchell did in space
okay so I just kind of want to talk about it
somebody actually looking at this that came from
the skeptics dictionary skeptic .com Original
news reports made it sound like there were 200
trials, leaving one to conclude that Mitchell
went through his tables eight times. There are
25 cards in the standard Zenner deck. Since there
are five symbols of numbers in each table, Chance
guessing would be one of five or 20 percent.
Mitchell reported that two subjects performed
better than Chance and two performed worse than
Chance. What a shock. This is what you would
expect from Chance. News reports indicate that
the group got 51 correct. which would be a rate
of 25 .5%. Not bad for an individual guessing
200 times, but not statistically significant
for a group of four. No problem. Mitchell provided
the New York Times with the number 3000 to 1
as being the odds against giving the results
he got. Maybe this is where Raiden learned to
use statistical odds as a substitute for evidence.
Cutting through the gobbledygook, we find that
3000 to 1 odds are derived by an afterthought
analysis of the data that found the subject did
not guess correctly. Parapsychologists call this
missing. If you guess better than chance, that
supports the psi hypothesis. If you don't guess
better than chance, that also supports psi hypothesis.
Psi works both ways, positive and negative. Rather
than canceling each other out, they reinforce
each other in what is called a psi differential
response. What other scientific field would tolerate
such nonsense? That was a critique I found of
the experiment he had and how it wasn't actually
a significant result in any way. I'm still clear
on his experiment. be honest he was in space
he would write down random numbers between one
and five and then he would assign zennard shapes
to those yeah i mean my overall question is if
he was just putting it out to the ether like
where was he going to see if anybody picked it
up or not before he left he talked to the scientists
who said we have these four psychics who we would
like to receive your calls from space right okay
right okay then that was just what They didn't
know what time he was doing it, and if they did,
it was off because his flight left 40 minutes
later than expected. So they basically were picking
something up from the ether that had happened
prior, like some time prior that they couldn't
have known. It's not a very good control in an
experiment, anyhow. And even then, they picked
four people who are predisposed to this world.
So why not have a control group in any way? Yeah,
surprise it got published anyway. I didn't find
the actual paper itself. I don't know where it
was published, but I do know it still does get
talked about somewhat and like the noetic science.
Okay. That makes sense. Who comes from it, basically.
I'm sure a lot of people would just use for the
name alone, Edgar Mitchell. Oh, yeah, for sure.
And especially, it's done in space. You can have
so many things that just say, like, this is a
variable that is this is how the thing got gamma
radiation or space radiation to become the thing,
which was the psychic stuff. So that's where
it all comes from. There you go. This is where
I leave this part off. He's done his career being
an astronaut. He's moving into noetic sciences
and we're going to see how this moves towards
the UFOs. I'm totally excited for this. I was
trying to assess how I feel about this and I'm
not sure. I don't think he's an asshole yet.
I'm intrigued. Well, we'll see how we feel. I'm
intrigued by his interest in UFOs because I have
that too, check. Number two, he's an astronaut.
I don't have that. And then he had this like
life changing experience in space. But that's
not what brought him to UFOs. I want to make
that clear. I honestly think he retired and he
needed a hobby. Yeah, I could see it. I mean,
if I were to just up and become an astronaut
next year, I can't say that I wouldn't take the
same interests that I have today with me into
being an astronaut, you know what I mean? But
let's face it, it might actually impact our ability
to be astronauts. It's true. They have a lot
of background check on us here on Journey to
the Fringe on why we shouldn't be astronauts.
Anyhow, he didn't have a podcast. It's really
what's holding our generation back. And with
that, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea.
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