WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:21.699 us on a Journey to the Fringe. We are your podcast 00:00:21.699 --> 00:00:25.160 host, Taylor and Chelsea, here today doing a 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:28.640 look into Chelsea, I don't want to say asshole 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.699 of the UFO community because I don't know at 00:00:31.699 --> 00:00:33.979 this point if I would consider this an asshole 00:00:33.979 --> 00:00:36.200 of the UFO community, but it's a person in the 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.520 UFO community. That is one astronaut by the name 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:43.280 of Edgar Mitchell. Okay now this is going to 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.719 be a two -part episode the first part we're going 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.140 to look at his career before getting into UFOs 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:51.060 and then the next episode is going to be from 00:00:51.060 --> 00:00:54.359 that point onwards Chelsea how familiar are you 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.759 with Edgar Mitchell? Only kind of sort of I don't 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:01.039 know a whole lot about him I'm sure in all my 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.340 years of listening to things that I've listened 00:01:03.340 --> 00:01:05.959 to things about him Well, you probably heard 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:09.340 him too. In fact, I'm pretty sure I have but 00:01:09.340 --> 00:01:12.420 there's nothing that I can actually fully recall 00:01:12.420 --> 00:01:15.459 of him saying but I do know of him I know he's 00:01:15.459 --> 00:01:18.739 an astronaut that talks about UFOs, but I can't 00:01:18.739 --> 00:01:20.900 quote anything that he's been saying I think 00:01:20.900 --> 00:01:24.040 he's come up like four or five times in episodes 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:27.980 for us but it's always just like passing remarks 00:01:27.980 --> 00:01:32.000 and he's used as a buttress a support for your 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.219 position to like say like look even this astronaut 00:01:35.219 --> 00:01:38.079 believes it so surely i was gonna say it makes 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.719 sense Yeah, I was gonna say that too. I'm sure 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:43.159 there's a lot of assholes in the UFO community 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.379 even, using him to reference stuff that they're 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:48.680 talking about. I'm sure they're an astro. And 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.959 in fact, the most recent episode I think he came 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.719 up in was the Stephen Greer episodes where he 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.239 had to come out and condemn what Stephen Greer 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.540 was saying about him. Right! Yes, yes, I remember 00:01:59.540 --> 00:02:04.060 that now. Good ol' Stephen Greer. I hate him. 00:02:04.420 --> 00:02:07.599 Oh god, he's an awful human being. Such an asshole. 00:02:09.079 --> 00:02:11.340 because he does come up in passing in that way 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:14.080 and he's used to support and it's basically like 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.759 saying like if this astronaut can believe these 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.120 things then surely there's implications for it 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.259 he learned these things while he was doing that 00:02:21.259 --> 00:02:24.080 what he did in space supports what I'm talking 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.800 about something along those lines has to be there 00:02:26.860 --> 00:02:30.360 Even if you say this astronaut believes in UFOs 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.080 I mean there's a couple of them that believe 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.219 in UFOs Even if you put that out like this astronaut 00:02:35.219 --> 00:02:37.759 you believe in UFOs There's a little bit of credence 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.080 to that for the mere fact that they've stepped 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:42.460 foot in space exactly No, there's implications 00:02:42.460 --> 00:02:44.539 that it has something to do with their career. 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.240 Is there not there is yeah, cuz they've been 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.979 in space So they too are an alien Okay, not quite 00:02:50.979 --> 00:02:53.139 what I was gonna do I was gonna say that they 00:02:53.139 --> 00:02:55.759 saw something while they were in space or something 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.509 connected to it but those things can be right 00:02:58.509 --> 00:03:02.069 my personal theory which we'll likely talk about 00:03:02.069 --> 00:03:05.669 more later because astronauts are kind of like 00:03:05.669 --> 00:03:08.990 professional athletes in that their actual career 00:03:08.990 --> 00:03:12.050 ends fairly early on that end they end up retiring 00:03:12.050 --> 00:03:14.610 early and getting a lot of time for hobbies but 00:03:14.610 --> 00:03:16.969 okay let's not lead that away from what we're 00:03:16.969 --> 00:03:20.610 going to be talking about let's talk about what 00:03:20.610 --> 00:03:22.889 you're talking about let's talk about egger mitchell 00:03:22.889 --> 00:03:26.360 now Yeah. I do have to spoil this now. Edgar 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.139 unfortunately is dead. I believe he died in 2016. 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.699 He lived a long happy life though, so don't worry 00:03:31.699 --> 00:03:34.300 too much about that. Edgar Mitchell was born 00:03:34.300 --> 00:03:39.039 on September 17th, 1930, Hereford, Texas. He 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:41.439 came from a ranching family that moved him to 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.580 New Mexico during the Depression and considered 00:03:43.580 --> 00:03:46.939 Artesia, New Mexico, which is near Roswell, his 00:03:46.939 --> 00:03:49.620 hometown. He first learned to fly, and this is 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:51.419 very much so something that can't happen in these 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:54.300 generations anymore, when he was 13. It's just 00:03:54.300 --> 00:03:56.319 not something that's an opportunity for everybody. 00:03:56.729 --> 00:03:59.550 He received his first private pilot license at 00:03:59.550 --> 00:04:02.349 16, was active in the Boy Scouts of America, 00:04:02.530 --> 00:04:05.069 where he achieved its second highest rank, Life 00:04:05.069 --> 00:04:08.069 Scout. So you know he's not a liar. Yeah. It 00:04:08.069 --> 00:04:10.789 also makes me concerned for his safety, because 00:04:10.789 --> 00:04:13.069 a lot of controversy is probably going around 00:04:13.069 --> 00:04:15.750 back then in the Boy Scouts. Well no, they weren't 00:04:15.750 --> 00:04:19.420 out yet. He was also a member of the This is, 00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:21.920 I was thinking of cutting this out, but just 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:23.579 because the implications of it in the conspiracy 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:26.160 community had to keep it in. He was a member 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.060 of the Demolay International, part of the Masonic 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:31.839 fraternity, and was inducted into its Hall of 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.800 Fame. Mitchell was a member of Artesia Lodge 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.839 number 29 in New Mexico. He received a Bachelor 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.680 of Science degree in the Industrial Management 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.300 from Carnegie Institute of Technology in 1952, 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:46.339 where he was a member of Kappa Sigma Fraternity. 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.300 The same year, he entered the United States Navy 00:04:49.300 --> 00:04:51.620 and completed basic training at San Diego Recruit 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:54.439 Depot. While on active duty in the Navy, he earned 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.399 a second bachelor's degree in aeronautical engineering 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.360 from the U .S. Naval Postgraduate School in 1961 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.660 and a doctorate of science degree in aeronautics 00:05:03.660 --> 00:05:07.660 and astronautics from MIT in 1964. I wouldn't 00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:09.860 normally get too much into the personal life, 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:12.180 but this weirdly comes up in the second half. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.600 He's had multiple marriages. First, married to 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.839 Louise Randall from 1951 to 1972. They get divorced. 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.040 He marries Anita Redig in 1973, and then they 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.639 get divorced in 84, and he ends up having an 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.759 affair and marrying a Playboy model, Sheila Ledbetter. 00:05:30.910 --> 00:05:34.449 Okay. He lives a very promiscuous life, I think, 00:05:34.449 --> 00:05:36.769 to say the least there. Yeah, no, that's the 00:05:36.769 --> 00:05:39.170 exact word I was just going to use. When it comes 00:05:39.170 --> 00:05:42.389 to flying, he has a pretty good career. In May 00:05:42.389 --> 00:05:45.329 of 53, after completing instructing at the Officer 00:05:45.329 --> 00:05:47.290 Candidate School at Newport, Rhode Island, Mitchell 00:05:47.290 --> 00:05:50.189 was commissioned in Ensign. He completed flight 00:05:50.189 --> 00:05:53.029 training in July of 1954. Following the completion 00:05:53.029 --> 00:05:55.149 of his graduate studies, Mitchell served as Chief 00:05:55.149 --> 00:05:57.910 Project Management Division of the Navy Field 00:05:57.910 --> 00:06:00.050 Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory from 00:06:00.050 --> 00:06:04.000 16 From 1965 to 1966 he attended the US Air Force 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.920 Aerospace Research Pilot School for certification 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.720 as a test pilot. Graduating first in his class 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.000 during this period Mitchell served as an instructor 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.339 in advanced mathematics and navigation theory 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:17.040 for astronaut candidates. Mitchell accumulated 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.720 during his career 5 ,000 hours flight time including 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.879 2 ,000 hours in jet aircrafts and that brings 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.139 us to his NASA career. Mitchell was selected 00:06:27.139 --> 00:06:30.879 in 66 as part of NASA's fifth astronaut group. 00:06:30.899 --> 00:06:32.980 He was assigned to the support group for Apollo 00:06:32.980 --> 00:06:36.600 9 and then was designated as a backup lunar module 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.339 pilot for Apollo 10. This placed him in rotation 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:42.220 for Apollo 13, but he got switched to Apollo 00:06:42.220 --> 00:06:44.980 14 so that Commander Alan Shepard, who had been 00:06:44.980 --> 00:06:47.360 grounded by a medical problem since the Gemini 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.000 program, could train longer. During the Apollo 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.879 13 crisis, Mitchell was part of the Apollo 13 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.339 operations team and as such was awarded the Presidential 00:06:56.339 --> 00:06:59.980 Medal of Freedom by Nixon in 1970. He worked 00:06:59.980 --> 00:07:02.699 in an Apollo simulator to help bring the crew 00:07:02.699 --> 00:07:06.600 back. One issue he worked on was how to fly the 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.259 lunar module with an inert Apollo command service 00:07:09.259 --> 00:07:11.939 module attached to it. I looked it up, his name's 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:14.639 not actually used in Apollo 13, the movie, but 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.139 he's a very integral part to getting these people 00:07:17.139 --> 00:07:19.699 back to Earth, which is just crazy. Yeah, it 00:07:19.699 --> 00:07:22.199 sounds like Tom Hanks back down to Earth, right? 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.879 Yeah, yeah, you got it. Yep, Tom Hanks. I think 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.600 he had a different name in the movie, but Tom 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:32.889 Hanks. Oh, okay. He then went on to serve as 00:07:32.889 --> 00:07:35.949 the lunar module pilot on Apollo 14, landing 00:07:35.949 --> 00:07:38.389 with Shepard aboard the lunar module Antares 00:07:38.389 --> 00:07:41.709 on February 5, 1971 in the hilly uplands of Fra 00:07:41.709 --> 00:07:44.470 Mauro Highlands, region of the Moon. They stayed 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:47.949 on the Moon for 33 hours, deployed and activated 00:07:47.949 --> 00:07:50.329 lunar surface scientific equipment and experiments, 00:07:50.430 --> 00:07:53.029 and collected over 100 pounds of lunar samples 00:07:53.029 --> 00:07:55.750 for return to Earth. Other Apollo 14 achievements 00:07:55.750 --> 00:07:58.889 include only use of the mobile equipment transporter, 00:07:59.089 --> 00:08:01.899 first Successful use of the color television 00:08:01.899 --> 00:08:05.519 with a new viticon tube. Longest distance traversed 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.420 on foot on the lunar surface or just payload 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:11.240 placed in lunar orbit. First use of the shortened 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.300 lunar orbit rendezvous technique and first extensive 00:08:14.300 --> 00:08:18.180 orbital science period conducted during CSM solo 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:20.420 operations. Chelsea, this one's also incredibly 00:08:20.420 --> 00:08:22.360 famous as the one where they went golfing on 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.079 the moon. Okay, I just had a train of thought 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.519 here, and I hope I'm not ruining anything by 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.660 saying this. Edgar Mitchell isn't the one who 00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:33.879 was recorded where, was it they went around the 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.500 dark side of the moon and they lost contact, 00:08:37.779 --> 00:08:40.700 but they were still recorded as doing something? 00:08:41.299 --> 00:08:42.940 Yeah. Okay, it's not Edgar Mitchell. That's not 00:08:42.940 --> 00:08:44.620 him. I'm trying to think of who that is, but 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:47.480 it's not him. Yeah, it's just right on the tip 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.919 of my brain. I can't remember exactly what it 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.620 is, but you know. In any event, he is one of 00:08:52.620 --> 00:08:55.850 - Two. astronauts who spent the most time on 00:08:55.850 --> 00:08:58.129 the moon. It's one of the most famous photos 00:08:58.129 --> 00:09:00.690 of astronauts on the moon that he took. He was 00:09:00.690 --> 00:09:03.309 part of the team that golfed on the moon. Fairly 00:09:03.309 --> 00:09:06.250 big deal. And in completing his first spaceflight, 00:09:06.490 --> 00:09:09.590 Mitchell logged 216 hours and 42 minutes in space. 00:09:09.649 --> 00:09:12.230 He was subsequently designated to serve as backup 00:09:12.230 --> 00:09:14.990 on the lunar module pilot for Apollo 16. During 00:09:14.990 --> 00:09:16.789 the mission, he took photos, including the one 00:09:16.789 --> 00:09:18.929 with Shepard raising the American flag. In the 00:09:18.929 --> 00:09:21.149 photo, Mitchell's shadow was cast over the lunar 00:09:21.149 --> 00:09:23.590 surface near the flag. The photos listed in popular 00:09:23.590 --> 00:09:26.269 science's photo gallery as the best astronaut 00:09:26.269 --> 00:09:29.690 selfies. And a quote that he has from his time 00:09:29.690 --> 00:09:33.250 in space. You develop an instant global consciousness, 00:09:33.490 --> 00:09:36.269 a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction 00:09:36.269 --> 00:09:38.230 with the state of the world, and a compulsion 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:40.549 to do something about it. From out there on the 00:09:40.549 --> 00:09:42.470 moon, international politics looks so petty. 00:09:42.649 --> 00:09:44.690 You want to grab a politician by the scruff of 00:09:44.690 --> 00:09:46.450 the neck and drag him a quarter of a million 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:48.970 miles out and say, look at that, you son of a 00:09:48.970 --> 00:09:52.009 bitch. I like that. Up to there, very impressive. 00:09:52.250 --> 00:09:55.149 Yeah. I texted you this and I was trying for 00:09:55.149 --> 00:09:57.649 the longest time to figure out what was his jump 00:09:57.649 --> 00:10:02.769 from this to UFOs. Was it this like global encompassing 00:10:02.769 --> 00:10:04.809 idea? Like there's something bigger than just 00:10:04.809 --> 00:10:07.970 us? And then I keep doing some research and I 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:10.730 learn more. Okay, good. That's usually how it 00:10:10.730 --> 00:10:12.789 works. We're going to go to a Vice article on 00:10:12.789 --> 00:10:15.549 this. Now, can I just interrupt and ask another 00:10:15.549 --> 00:10:18.590 question? Yeah, go ahead. No, it's Buzz Aldrin. 00:10:18.730 --> 00:10:21.029 It was the first walk on the moon. That was fate. 00:10:21.330 --> 00:10:22.970 That was my whole train of thought. Oh, yeah, 00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:24.970 where he gets confronted and punch somebody in 00:10:24.970 --> 00:10:27.629 the face. Yeah, that's not him. No, he actually 00:10:27.629 --> 00:10:30.029 was on the moon. There's no conspiracy theories 00:10:30.029 --> 00:10:33.049 about him not being there. Nobody seems to dispute 00:10:33.049 --> 00:10:36.590 him. And it's kind of funny because he's on the 00:10:36.590 --> 00:10:38.730 conspiracist side on a lot of these things. So 00:10:38.730 --> 00:10:40.049 they're just like, yeah, sure, he went to the 00:10:40.049 --> 00:10:42.590 moon. Why not? No, he actually did. He's fine. 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:47.700 Good for him. I found an article on vice and 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:50.159 it's called the moonwalking alien hunting psychic 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.919 astronaut who got sued by NASA by Alex Pasternak 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.860 from May 14th 2016 I like all of that what you 00:10:57.860 --> 00:10:59.740 just said well I think they might have put some 00:10:59.740 --> 00:11:05.440 keywords in there All great stuff. While Mitchell 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.240 and crewmate Alan Shepard would have more time 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.759 than anyone else to amble across the lunar surface 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.460 9 hours, the schedule remained tight and there 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:15.960 was important work to do in the name of politics, 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.559 but also of science. On the way back to Earth, 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.320 however, things were more relaxed. quieter. Mitchell 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.159 took time to look out the window and was transfixed 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.080 by the sight of the largest thing he'd ever seen, 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.179 the largest thing he'd ever known, floating in 00:11:28.179 --> 00:11:30.580 the dark. A moment would change his life, giving 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:32.820 him a glimpse of a deeper hidden nature. Quote, 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.139 all of us had the experience, let's call it the 00:11:35.139 --> 00:11:37.700 overview effect or the big picture effect of 00:11:37.700 --> 00:11:40.519 seeing Earth in its setting rather than as the 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.679 end all and be all of living systems. End quote, 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:47.039 Mitchell told me in 2012. Quote, my own experience 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.519 was a very powerful one on the way back after 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.620 my work was done from looking at Earth from space 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:55.480 you come up with the question who are we how 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.259 did we get here and where is all this going and 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:00.779 that's an ancient ancient question that humans 00:12:00.779 --> 00:12:04.039 have asked for a long time. My experience was 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.440 to realize that perhaps our science is wrong 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.860 at answering these questions and perhaps our 00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:11.539 religious cosmologies are archaic and flawed 00:12:11.539 --> 00:12:14.100 and given that now we are an extraterrestrial 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:17.179 civilization ourselves we need to re -ask these 00:12:17.179 --> 00:12:19.710 questions and do a lot more work to find the 00:12:19.710 --> 00:12:22.549 answers." But more so than other astronauts, 00:12:22.830 --> 00:12:24.889 Mitchell's brief trip to outer space led to a 00:12:24.889 --> 00:12:27.690 lifelong exploration of inner space and an entire 00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:30.429 universe of unexplained phenomena. Continuing 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:33.350 an unauthorized ESP experiment he began in the 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:35.529 command module during his trip back to Earth, 00:12:35.769 --> 00:12:38.330 Mitchell became a connoisseur of parapsychology 00:12:38.330 --> 00:12:41.669 conferring with mystic healers and psychics like 00:12:41.669 --> 00:12:46.190 Yuri Geller. Later, he would examine allegations 00:12:46.190 --> 00:12:48.649 of alien visits to Earth and claim that governance 00:12:48.649 --> 00:12:51.789 around the world had sought to cover up the truth 00:12:51.789 --> 00:12:54.429 about UFOs. It just so happened that Mitchell 00:12:54.429 --> 00:12:56.870 spent much of his adolescence in Artesia near 00:12:56.870 --> 00:13:00.289 Roswell and was a teenager in July of 1947 when 00:13:00.289 --> 00:13:02.789 the famous UFO crash happened there. He had spoken 00:13:02.789 --> 00:13:04.929 with people in the government who confirmed his 00:13:04.929 --> 00:13:07.330 suspicions but confessed he had no hard proof. 00:13:07.450 --> 00:13:10.389 What evidence there was was enough for him, he 00:13:10.389 --> 00:13:13.049 said, and anyway, typical scientific proof could 00:13:13.049 --> 00:13:16.090 only go so far, he seemed to argue. So much about 00:13:16.090 --> 00:13:19.000 the universe remained mysterious and deserve 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.000 continuous even highly speculative exploration. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.639 That was his major key, a theme that emerged 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.440 from his return trip to Earth and the interconnected 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.700 euphoria he experienced. Many if not all astronauts 00:13:30.700 --> 00:13:33.059 report that the global perspective changes not 00:13:33.059 --> 00:13:35.460 just physically but psychically once they've 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:38.159 seen Earth from space, a sublime feeling about 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.679 nature and that we're just scratching the surface 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.440 of it and that most of the time it's barely seen 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.899 much less understood. Whoa, there was a sense 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.500 that our present as space travelers, and the 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:50.820 existence of the universe itself was not accidental, 00:13:50.940 --> 00:13:53.320 but that there was an intelligent process at 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.980 work." He wrote in his book, The Way of the Explorer. 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.820 Kevin Oshner, director of the Social Cognitive 00:13:58.820 --> 00:14:01.299 Neuroscience Laboratory at Columbia University, 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.080 told Motherboard's Dave Simpson that feeling 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.120 seems to be something like awe, a diminished 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.820 sense of self in the face of something larger 00:14:09.820 --> 00:14:12.360 and bigger than you that has existed for a longer 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.080 period of time than you. It's sort of incomprehensible 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.799 within the lifespan of a single person, and it 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.340 has interesting transformative effects on people 00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:23.019 in the short term and long term." The feeling 00:14:23.019 --> 00:14:25.820 of seeing the earth from space might be the quintessential 00:14:25.820 --> 00:14:29.320 idea of the sublime, an idea plumbed by the romantics. 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:31.799 David Morris, a professor of English at the University 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.240 of Illinois and the scholar of utopian 19th century 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.200 literature, compares it to the experience of 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.639 the whale, the idea that, quote, nature can't 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.399 quite be understood or confronted, but one looks 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.519 at it with awe, end quote. The next year, he 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.529 ended in Paul Temple co -founded the Institute 00:14:47.529 --> 00:14:50.830 of Noetic Sciences in Northern California. Noetic 00:14:50.830 --> 00:14:54.289 means psychic sciences, basically. Now I remember 00:14:54.289 --> 00:14:56.750 where I know I'm from. A non -profit group dedicated 00:14:56.750 --> 00:14:59.590 to studying how beliefs, thoughts, and intentions 00:14:59.590 --> 00:15:01.870 affect the physical world. The word Noetic is 00:15:01.870 --> 00:15:04.389 from the Greek, okay, it's right here. Noetikos 00:15:04.389 --> 00:15:06.769 relates to a branch of philosophy concerned with 00:15:06.769 --> 00:15:09.009 the study of mind and intellect. Mitchell sought 00:15:09.009 --> 00:15:11.649 to usher the study into the scientific realm. 00:15:11.850 --> 00:15:14.210 He's a part of Tom DeLong's group, isn't he? 00:15:14.190 --> 00:15:17.049 He's dead. He died right around the time that 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:19.049 To the Stars came out. So I don't know if he 00:15:19.049 --> 00:15:21.830 ever was. I want to say there was some mention 00:15:21.830 --> 00:15:24.370 of him in our episodes that we did on To the 00:15:24.370 --> 00:15:27.149 Stars. I want to say that, but I'm not also not 00:15:27.149 --> 00:15:28.409 looking. I'm going to look at it while you do 00:15:28.409 --> 00:15:30.490 your talking. OK. The Institute's website, which 00:15:30.490 --> 00:15:32.830 received a bump in traffic after its work, was 00:15:32.830 --> 00:15:35.230 featured in The Lost Symbol, a novel by Dan Brown, 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:37.490 quotes the psychologist William James, prescribing 00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:39.789 the noetic quality of mystical states, which 00:15:39.789 --> 00:15:41.490 sounds like the sort of thing Mitchell experienced 00:15:41.490 --> 00:15:44.700 in space. Quote, the states of insight into depths 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:47.860 of truth, umplumbed by the discursive intellect. 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:50.960 They are illuminations, revelations full of significance 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.519 and importance, all inarticulate, though they 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.360 remain, and as a rule they carry them with them. 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.919 a curious sense of authority." Bolstered by new 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:01.940 explorations into consciousness and the quantum 00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:04.059 underpinnings of the brain, Mitchell promulgated 00:16:04.059 --> 00:16:06.419 a theory that all action in the universe are 00:16:06.419 --> 00:16:09.379 imprinted upon a transcendent quantum hologram. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.440 The notion that the entire universe lives on 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.919 a hologram has become a focus of some theoreticians, 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.460 but it's not the same as quantum holography, 00:16:17.539 --> 00:16:19.919 a method in modern physics that allows researchers 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.840 to image hidden objects with entangled photons. 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.350 This concept he described as a giant disc in 00:16:26.350 --> 00:16:29.549 the sky encoding every event and object across 00:16:29.549 --> 00:16:32.309 time and space and Chelsea from that article 00:16:32.309 --> 00:16:34.970 I kind of got the impression somewhat that it 00:16:34.970 --> 00:16:37.610 was seeing everything from space again brought 00:16:37.610 --> 00:16:40.950 him to this UFO in noetics but there's one thing 00:16:40.950 --> 00:16:43.649 within that that gave the impression that it 00:16:43.649 --> 00:16:45.669 could have happened before that it's the fact 00:16:45.669 --> 00:16:48.490 that he was carrying out a science experiment 00:16:48.490 --> 00:16:51.750 on board that got brought up with Yuri Geller 00:16:51.750 --> 00:16:55.009 yeah and I was like oh this must run deeper this 00:16:55.009 --> 00:16:56.730 is This is an interview that Edgar Mitchell gave 00:16:56.730 --> 00:17:00.450 in late 2001 to a magazine called Cabinet, and 00:17:00.450 --> 00:17:02.789 this is him describing some of the things about 00:17:02.789 --> 00:17:05.430 this test. So let's just learn here. This is 00:17:05.430 --> 00:17:07.750 Edgar speaking. It happened about three weeks 00:17:07.750 --> 00:17:10.509 before the mission. I met some research physicists, 00:17:10.650 --> 00:17:13.730 doctors Boyle and Maxey, who were very interested 00:17:13.730 --> 00:17:15.970 in the field and suggested to me that this would 00:17:15.970 --> 00:17:18.549 be an ideal time to do the experiment. They gathered 00:17:18.549 --> 00:17:21.069 and coordinated everything. I was too busy for 00:17:21.069 --> 00:17:23.250 that. In addition to the two of them, there was 00:17:23.250 --> 00:17:42.680 a reputable Next he's answering this question. 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.670 Were you already interested in ESP? Answer. Oh 00:17:45.670 --> 00:17:48.630 yes, I had a religious upbringing and was always 00:17:48.630 --> 00:17:50.789 interested in science. The two seemed to have 00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:53.049 different answers, which bothered me. When the 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:55.109 chance to go to the moon came up, it re -raised 00:17:55.109 --> 00:17:57.130 the question about what kind of world we lived 00:17:57.130 --> 00:17:59.430 in, because nobody had been outside the atmosphere. 00:17:59.569 --> 00:18:01.589 I had been reading literature for several years 00:18:01.589 --> 00:18:04.430 and had become convinced science says it can't 00:18:04.430 --> 00:18:06.509 work, but laboratory experiments to show that 00:18:06.509 --> 00:18:09.369 it does. Next he's answering this question. Why 00:18:09.369 --> 00:18:11.809 the interest in doing these experiments in space? 00:18:11.970 --> 00:18:15.920 Because no one had ever done them. at those distances. 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:18.779 The question was whether the effect fell off 00:18:18.779 --> 00:18:21.420 with distance, and the answer is no. People had 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:24.160 thought this, but no one had ever proved it at 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.359 distances of hundreds of thousands of miles. 00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:28.839 Was it difficult to hide this experiment from 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.160 your colleagues? There was nothing to hide. I 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.380 conducted the experiment on my own time with 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:36.200 my friends. It was really intended to be a very 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.779 personal and private experiment. We had no intentions 00:18:38.779 --> 00:18:41.779 to making it public. Olaf Jonsson unfortunately 00:18:41.779 --> 00:18:43.799 told the press before we ever had a chance to 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.410 look at the data. The media was a big problem 00:18:46.410 --> 00:18:48.589 because they were biased against the experiment. 00:18:48.789 --> 00:18:50.569 Most people in the media don't know anything 00:18:50.569 --> 00:18:52.930 about statistics and they wrote whatever the 00:18:52.930 --> 00:18:55.730 particular reporter or editor thought. When the 00:18:55.730 --> 00:18:58.049 media learned about the experiment, it lost its 00:18:58.049 --> 00:18:59.990 effectiveness even though it was subsequently 00:18:59.990 --> 00:19:02.190 published in scientific journals. Of course, 00:19:02.549 --> 00:19:04.509 one experiment doesn't make anything change, 00:19:04.569 --> 00:19:07.650 but it did show that what had worked in the laboratory 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:10.509 also worked in space with the same very positive 00:19:10.509 --> 00:19:12.569 results. Professionals in the field thought it 00:19:12.569 --> 00:19:15.869 was very In telepathy, space doesn't matter. 00:19:15.970 --> 00:19:18.170 Now we understand this very well, and we have 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:20.829 the science now to show exactly how it works. 00:19:20.970 --> 00:19:22.970 It has nothing to do with space and time. It 00:19:22.970 --> 00:19:25.950 is what we call non -local communication. Next 00:19:25.950 --> 00:19:28.150 question, could you explain how you set up the 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:30.930 experiment? My experiment involved four transmission 00:19:30.930 --> 00:19:33.289 sessions during rest periods programmed into 00:19:33.289 --> 00:19:35.289 the flight. The well -known experiment in the 00:19:35.289 --> 00:19:38.029 laboratory was to use cards with the five zener 00:19:38.029 --> 00:19:40.849 symbols, but the actual cards aren't important. 00:19:41.049 --> 00:19:43.559 It was easier for me to to use random number 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.019 tables then carry the physical cards. Instead, 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:49.319 all I did was generate four tables with 25 random 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.220 numbers just using the numbers 1 to 5, then randomly 00:19:52.220 --> 00:19:55.099 assigned a zener symbol to each number. For each 00:19:55.099 --> 00:19:57.259 transmission, I would then check the particular 00:19:57.259 --> 00:19:59.640 tables of random numbers and think about the 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.779 corresponding symbol for 15 seconds. Each transmission 00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:06.039 was about 6 minutes. I did this when I was ready 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.480 to go to sleep at night. We had sleeping bag 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.619 hammocks that we would put underneath the ca 00:20:11.619 --> 00:20:13.940 - and two of us would go to sleep in a hammock 00:20:13.940 --> 00:20:16.059 while the other one would be on watch. I would 00:20:16.059 --> 00:20:18.099 do the experiment before going to sleep in my 00:20:18.099 --> 00:20:20.579 sleeping bag. So Chelsea do you kind of understand 00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:23.880 what the experiment was? Yeah if he was saying 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.420 that he did this on his own time and everything 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:28.599 and it was just his friend leaking this how did 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:31.279 it make it into scientific journals? It sounds 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:32.940 like they were trying to actually come up with 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:35.619 a scientific paper but it got leaked before the 00:20:35.619 --> 00:20:38.640 paper actually came out. Oh okay I misunderstood 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:40.720 that. Yeah I just want to make sure too when 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.980 talking about transmitting. He's not talking 00:20:42.980 --> 00:20:45.539 about sending like an actual communication back 00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:49.599 to earth about his responses. He is saying I'm 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.960 thinking these thoughts out to the void so that 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.279 the psychics can hear them. Yeah, not quite the 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.619 same concept of like remote viewing or ESP for 00:21:00.619 --> 00:21:02.799 that matter. He's just kind of putting it out 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.259 into the universe to see who could pick it up. 00:21:05.380 --> 00:21:07.619 I'd be interested to hear his results on that. 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.359 Yes, we're going to get to that and also a few 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:12.940 other things about it. I've actually never heard 00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:15.980 the concept of just putting it out there while 00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:18.440 you're in space or how you would study that. 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:20.920 How is that in the scientific paper? And the 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:22.599 next question they ask is how are you able to 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:24.240 coordinate with the people on Earth? Answer. 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:27.079 We didn't. We tried to coordinate, but we were 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.380 off. That didn't seem to make any difference. 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:32.640 We took off 40 minutes late, but I didn't try 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.200 for any exact time anyways, just in the evenings. 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:38.880 We now understand why that should work, because 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:40.920 the sequence is important, but having the precise 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.420 time is not. So like, it wasn't like these guys 00:21:44.420 --> 00:21:46.380 were trying to receive what he was putting out 00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:49.809 there at the same time. It was just they guessed, 00:21:50.410 --> 00:21:52.250 basically. They went out there and time didn't 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:53.829 matter. They went out there and tried to get 00:21:53.829 --> 00:21:56.769 it. This experiment seems like a mess. You don't 00:21:56.769 --> 00:21:59.150 say. Were your colleagues at NASA suspicious 00:21:59.150 --> 00:22:01.440 when you returned? Answer. Everything proceeded 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.980 normally. I later became a standby pilot for 00:22:03.980 --> 00:22:06.500 Apollo 16 and retired from NASA in 1972. The 00:22:06.500 --> 00:22:09.160 reaction at NASA was very, very minimal, except 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:11.640 for Werner Von Braun and quite a few engineers. 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:14.420 NASA management ignored the experiments. Many 00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:16.420 people came to my office and closed the door 00:22:16.420 --> 00:22:18.819 and wanted me to tell them about it, which I 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:21.420 did. Nobody else said a thing. Werner was very 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:23.619 intrigued by it and was very supportive. He wanted 00:22:23.619 --> 00:22:26.039 me to do a survey of NASA installations to see 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.500 if there was any place that would be useful and 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.400 appropriate for us to do some more of. this work 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.660 to further these studies in a deeper way, but 00:22:32.660 --> 00:22:36.180 we both left NASA before we ever got that really 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:39.039 accomplished. He also came and spoke at a fundraising 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.180 dinner for the Institute of Noetic Sciences, 00:22:41.299 --> 00:22:43.720 which I didn't know that side of Werner von Braun. 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:46.039 He might actually be worth an episode. I'm going 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.279 to add it right now. And also while I'm adding 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.200 that right now, no, he had nothing to do it to 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:54.619 the start. So my bad. I completely retract my 00:22:54.619 --> 00:22:57.119 statement or question. I didn't make a statement. 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.089 I had a question. Next question here. When you 00:23:01.089 --> 00:23:03.230 came back, did you become a media personality 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:05.190 because of the experiments or because you were 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:07.410 an astronaut who had come back from the moon? 00:23:08.069 --> 00:23:10.230 Answer. A certain segment of people were truly 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:12.049 interested in questions of mind and consciousness 00:23:12.049 --> 00:23:14.589 and spiritual matters and so forth. There were 00:23:14.589 --> 00:23:17.130 really two constituencies, like there always 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:19.349 has been. Next question. How did your voyage 00:23:19.349 --> 00:23:21.450 to the moon change your life? Answer. After the 00:23:21.450 --> 00:23:23.650 work was done, when we were coming home, I had 00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:26.019 time to contemplate. A spacecraft was working 00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:28.319 well. I could look out the window for three days 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.839 and enjoy it. I had a non -local feeling that 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.019 there is something here I don't understand even 00:23:33.019 --> 00:23:35.240 though I know about galactic information. How 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.140 the stars and elements are formed and so on. 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:39.819 It felt a part of it. It was my molecules. It 00:23:39.819 --> 00:23:42.920 was real abstract sensation. That insight set 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.539 the tone for my last 30 years. I had to understand 00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:48.519 what kind of a brain is it that allows me to 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.819 experience this. So I came back and started studying 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:53.970 the mystical traditions. Yuri Geller. and the 00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:56.170 inner religious experiences of humans. Because 00:23:56.170 --> 00:23:59.049 of my epiphany in space, I have come back and 00:23:59.049 --> 00:24:01.690 spent 30 years trying to explain what mind -brain 00:24:01.690 --> 00:24:04.170 is. How did you meet Yuri Geller? Answer. The 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.250 gentleman who was originally doing work with 00:24:06.250 --> 00:24:09.390 Dr. Andrea Puharich called me and asked if I 00:24:09.390 --> 00:24:11.369 was interested in meeting him. Geller has been 00:24:11.369 --> 00:24:13.789 investigated many times all over the world by 00:24:13.789 --> 00:24:15.769 scientists and magicians who are trying to debunk 00:24:15.769 --> 00:24:18.289 him. You have to work with these people on their 00:24:18.289 --> 00:24:20.890 terms. You find out what their shtick is, so 00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:22.809 to speak, and you set up a science protocol. 00:24:22.730 --> 00:24:25.549 that works within the parameters and that they 00:24:25.549 --> 00:24:28.589 are comfortable with. We did not set up a controlled 00:24:28.589 --> 00:24:31.029 experiment to do teleportation, for example. 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:33.869 We didn't really know how to do that. He didn't 00:24:33.869 --> 00:24:36.079 really answer that question, did he? Not in the 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.339 least. I guess he kind of did. He asked if you 00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:40.779 wanted to meet him. But like it kind of got just 00:24:40.779 --> 00:24:43.460 kind of ended weirdly there. But you did ask 00:24:43.460 --> 00:24:45.480 him if he could teleport a camera. You forgot 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.920 on the moon. Answer. That was really more of 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.240 a joke because I was annoyed with him. We were 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.420 trying to get work done. OK, that's why he didn't 00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:54.819 answer it fully. OK, we were trying to get work 00:24:54.819 --> 00:24:56.900 done in the laboratory and it wasn't working. 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.680 And Geller said that he was good with teleportation. 00:24:59.740 --> 00:25:02.200 So I said, OK, teleport back the camera I left 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.559 on the moon. He didn't get the camera back, but 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.859 he did get two lost Taibin's of my back. A piece 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:10.259 of one of them showed up in Geller's mouth as 00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.640 he was eating ice cream, to the surprise of all 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:15.019 of us. The other Taibin and the rest of the first 00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:17.380 one then showed up in the laboratory. One piece 00:25:17.380 --> 00:25:19.700 turned up right in front of Dr. Puthoff when 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:22.119 he was with a large group of people, and the 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.640 other dropped to the floor between Dr. Puthoff 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.960 and me when we were in the laboratory alone. 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.420 Men who stare at goats. It's not Stargate. It's 00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:37.480 um, why do we always call men who stare at goats? 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.599 We did the episode. And they're both involved 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.819 in Two of the Stars, which is where I'm getting 00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:46.519 some overlap here. I swear he came up in our 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:48.559 Two of the Stars episode, but I couldn't search 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:50.480 his name in there. He's definitely not in there, 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.599 but I must have seen it in our research. It is... 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.420 what the hell is it? I'm trying to come up with 00:25:56.420 --> 00:25:58.519 it right now before we move on because it's gonna 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.819 bother the shit out of me. What was it called? 00:26:01.150 --> 00:26:04.049 this one says project stargate that's what i 00:26:04.049 --> 00:26:06.410 thought is it well there's another one that i'm 00:26:06.410 --> 00:26:09.890 thinking mk ultra mk ultra no it's not mk ultra 00:26:09.890 --> 00:26:12.390 mk ultra is that what you're oh maybe remote 00:26:12.390 --> 00:26:14.269 viewing is what we're thinking of because that's 00:26:14.269 --> 00:26:17.490 the episode oh potentially potentially we're 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:20.950 both just fucking confused yep we are in the 00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:24.309 more remote viewing at project stargate yeah 00:26:24.309 --> 00:26:26.990 project stargate Next question in this interview. 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:29.269 What is your most important current project? 00:26:29.549 --> 00:26:31.630 Answer. My biggest project is developing further 00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:33.410 the understanding of the quantum hologram and 00:26:33.410 --> 00:26:35.849 how it works in relation to the brain. The real 00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:38.809 enigma we don't have a handle on yet is the psychokinetic 00:26:38.809 --> 00:26:40.789 effect. It has to do with intentionality in the 00:26:40.789 --> 00:26:42.930 quantum hologram, but exactly how that functions 00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:45.309 physically is not obvious to us. The perception 00:26:45.309 --> 00:26:47.990 of non -local information like ESP is easy to 00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:49.769 explain through the quantum hologram. You're 00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:52.170 just picking up information from another person. 00:26:52.309 --> 00:26:55.470 Telepathy is just information coming in. Psychokinesis, 00:26:55.710 --> 00:26:58.009 just information going out. But the material 00:26:58.009 --> 00:27:01.009 deformation of things is a little more mysterious. 00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:03.470 It takes energy to bend a ring. We can understand 00:27:03.470 --> 00:27:05.829 healing, you are a sick person, and I give you 00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:07.710 the information and your body heals itself. But 00:27:07.710 --> 00:27:10.349 how to move a ring is a different problem. The 00:27:10.349 --> 00:27:12.569 universe and the experiences within it arise 00:27:12.569 --> 00:27:14.890 from natural causes. The remainder of the problem 00:27:14.890 --> 00:27:17.009 of consciousness that is, is to look for the 00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:18.970 evidence from modern science that points the 00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:21.529 way to reality. Eventually we'll be able to explain 00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:24.269 it all because it is natural, not supernatural. 00:27:24.410 --> 00:27:26.490 It's just our ignorance that causes it to seem 00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:29.049 unnatural. And his last question is what is the 00:27:29.049 --> 00:27:31.990 quantum hologram? It is the concept of quantum 00:27:31.990 --> 00:27:34.230 hologram. It's based on quantum emissions from 00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:36.869 all physical objects, you, me, the camera, any 00:27:36.869 --> 00:27:39.549 physical object of macroscopic size, molecular 00:27:39.549 --> 00:27:42.369 and above, and absorbs quantum energy. Quantum 00:27:42.369 --> 00:27:44.549 emitted from every object we've discovered carries 00:27:44.549 --> 00:27:46.849 information about the physical. The quantum hologram 00:27:46.849 --> 00:27:49.750 is this information structure from a physical 00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:52.890 object and is non -local, which means it is not 00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:54.990 space -time restricted. It appears to be a proper 00:27:54.990 --> 00:27:57.390 mechanism for explaining virtually all things, 00:27:57.750 --> 00:27:59.789 all these types of psychic manifestation that 00:27:59.789 --> 00:28:01.829 we know of. We are now beginning to understand 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:03.849 what consciousness is and what we understand 00:28:03.849 --> 00:28:05.930 so far is that the quantum holographic record 00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:08.690 survives, is our history, it records our passage, 00:28:08.829 --> 00:28:10.809 it records what we do and it's available to the 00:28:10.809 --> 00:28:13.109 future. It appears to be nature's way of preserving 00:28:13.109 --> 00:28:15.589 our experience, that's the non -local part, it's 00:28:15.589 --> 00:28:18.019 the informational part of us. so that everything 00:28:18.019 --> 00:28:21.420 we do as physical beings is recorded in the ephemeral 00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:23.940 quantum holographic record, the giant hard disk 00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:26.380 in the sky, if you will. I can pick up what he's 00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:29.920 putting down. What I'm hearing from this is that 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.339 he's pretty interested in the topic. I especially 00:28:33.339 --> 00:28:36.779 get from the start of this that space wasn't 00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:39.980 the cataclysm that put him into it. He seemed 00:28:39.980 --> 00:28:42.539 to have a predisposition before that. Did he 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:45.019 not? Like he talked about being brought up religious 00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:48.009 and there was that psychic... feeling from that. 00:28:49.390 --> 00:28:52.269 was before he went to space which is kind of 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:55.089 cool that his life kind of went in the path of 00:28:55.089 --> 00:28:57.410 going to space and that I don't know that it 00:28:57.410 --> 00:29:00.289 perpetuated or whatnot with his already interest 00:29:00.289 --> 00:29:02.750 but it definitely gave him a different perspective 00:29:02.750 --> 00:29:04.750 on where he's going. I can totally get behind 00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:07.210 what he's going. It kind of gave him a further 00:29:07.210 --> 00:29:11.009 perspective on there being more to reality because 00:29:11.009 --> 00:29:13.670 he's seen Earth from outside so he's seen it 00:29:13.670 --> 00:29:16.150 in a different perspective. He's seeing the tree 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:18.849 for the tree not for the leaves. I do want to 00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:21.180 especially say he had to have had this interest 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:23.559 before he went into space because he went into 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.380 space with the intention of performing a site 00:29:26.380 --> 00:29:29.779 as an experiment in space so he couldn't have 00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:33.039 realized this in space totally good point but 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.160 it also seems like he had some very impactful 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.440 moments and realizations while he was there as 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.700 well i mean i know the point you're making that 00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:44.680 is clear is that he definitely had an interest 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.599 before he went up to space though i am going 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.960 to turn it back just to the end of the Vice article 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.279 from here. Mitchell pointed out that UFO sightings 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.099 were common near military bases, but not necessarily 00:29:54.099 --> 00:29:56.200 because they were actually just experimental 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.440 aircrafts or weapon tests. The alien presence 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.920 was a warning. Mitchell noted that Roswell crash 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.200 occurred near America's largest weapons testing 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.140 range at a time when it was developing its most 00:30:05.140 --> 00:30:07.440 powerful nuclear bombs. In his view, the Roswell 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.019 aliens had crashed while on important missions 00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:12.000 to prevent humans from destroying themselves 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.660 in their home. Quote, let's hope that that is 00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:17.309 exactly what the ET's extraterrestrials are trying 00:30:17.309 --> 00:30:19.730 to show us. We don't need to be this warlike 00:30:19.730 --> 00:30:21.970 civilization. We need to learn to be a cooperative 00:30:21.970 --> 00:30:24.630 civilization working together to solve our survival 00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:26.970 problems and our sustainability problems. Because 00:30:26.970 --> 00:30:30.029 right now civilization as we live it is not sustainable. 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.660 It's a question as to whether we can make it 00:30:32.660 --> 00:30:34.839 through the century or not the way we're doing 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.460 things right now." End quote, end of article. 00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:39.920 I think actually that shows that his trip to 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.099 space kind of had an impact on what he perceives 00:30:42.099 --> 00:30:44.579 of things. Like he is talking about like sustainability. 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.900 Definitely. Getting along. But none of that came 00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:52.140 from his time in space. I need to make that clear. 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.240 Outside of his perspective on peace and bringing 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.539 everybody together. He's talking about UFOs at 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.259 that point in this article. Yeah. But that doesn't 00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:02.940 come from his time as an astronaut. They need 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:05.539 to make that very clear. What he's talking about 00:31:05.539 --> 00:31:07.460 there is just like he thinks they're here for 00:31:07.460 --> 00:31:10.539 peaceful purposes. Okay. And specifically to 00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:12.619 bring everybody together and kind of give that 00:31:12.619 --> 00:31:16.180 feeling that he got in space. I don't like people 00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:18.779 pushing an agenda of what aliens are really up 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:21.500 to. I don't like that. It very eerily sounds 00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:23.519 like somebody else who we finished a two part 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.599 episode on fairly recently too, does it not? 00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.529 They're here for peace. They're all peaceful. 00:31:29.710 --> 00:31:31.910 What's that again? Steven Greer. That's why I'm 00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:34.730 saying I don't like it when they're telling me 00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:37.289 yes, they're bad or good. And you only get the 00:31:37.289 --> 00:31:39.750 two. Nobody's going to divide it on the matter. 00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:43.029 Yeah. And there's definite opinions. Aliens aren't 00:31:43.029 --> 00:31:44.690 allowed to choose for themselves. We have to 00:31:44.690 --> 00:31:47.500 tell you. Not all people are inherently bad or 00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:49.759 good. I mean, some people, but most people have, 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.740 you know, their good moments and their bad moments. 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.200 My other question to you is Edgar Mitchell, he's 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.640 never had any experiences with UFOs. Nope. Just 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.339 an interest. Okay. Not at all. And it's funny 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.539 because he grew up. right beside Roswell. Like 00:32:05.539 --> 00:32:08.240 I said, he was a teenager when Roswell happened 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.880 and was an astronaut. That's just gonna happen 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.579 naturally. Yeah, that's just gonna happen naturally, 00:32:13.579 --> 00:32:16.640 I think. I think a lot of people like to assume 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.299 that he has an interaction with aliens that brought 00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:23.220 him about to this, but absolutely nothing in 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:25.319 his past. I could see that. People like this 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.900 can also play off that assumption, knowing full 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.220 well that that's probably the assumption. And 00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:32.900 this is the important thing, they can leave that 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.240 part of it unstated and let everybody who's listening 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.480 assume that that's where it comes from and that 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.660 works very well in this community 100 % especially 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.180 if you're talking about UFOs I did just want 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:48.140 to end part one off with this came from a book 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:50.819 review by Bob Carroll it's called the entangled 00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:53.059 minds of Dean Raden where he's talking about 00:32:53.059 --> 00:32:55.700 the experiment that Edgar Mitchell did in space 00:32:55.700 --> 00:32:57.859 okay so I just kind of want to talk about it 00:32:57.859 --> 00:33:00.059 somebody actually looking at this that came from 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.039 the skeptics dictionary skeptic .com Original 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.799 news reports made it sound like there were 200 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.779 trials, leaving one to conclude that Mitchell 00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:10.420 went through his tables eight times. There are 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:13.319 25 cards in the standard Zenner deck. Since there 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.559 are five symbols of numbers in each table, Chance 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.680 guessing would be one of five or 20 percent. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.839 Mitchell reported that two subjects performed 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.619 better than Chance and two performed worse than 00:33:24.619 --> 00:33:27.000 Chance. What a shock. This is what you would 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.779 expect from Chance. News reports indicate that 00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:32.890 the group got 51 correct. which would be a rate 00:33:32.890 --> 00:33:36.250 of 25 .5%. Not bad for an individual guessing 00:33:36.250 --> 00:33:38.630 200 times, but not statistically significant 00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:41.410 for a group of four. No problem. Mitchell provided 00:33:41.410 --> 00:33:43.910 the New York Times with the number 3000 to 1 00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:46.150 as being the odds against giving the results 00:33:46.150 --> 00:33:48.509 he got. Maybe this is where Raiden learned to 00:33:48.509 --> 00:33:50.990 use statistical odds as a substitute for evidence. 00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:53.349 Cutting through the gobbledygook, we find that 00:33:53.349 --> 00:33:55.910 3000 to 1 odds are derived by an afterthought 00:33:55.910 --> 00:33:58.250 analysis of the data that found the subject did 00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:00.869 not guess correctly. Parapsychologists call this 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.779 missing. If you guess better than chance, that 00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:06.200 supports the psi hypothesis. If you don't guess 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.159 better than chance, that also supports psi hypothesis. 00:34:09.380 --> 00:34:12.639 Psi works both ways, positive and negative. Rather 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.820 than canceling each other out, they reinforce 00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:17.539 each other in what is called a psi differential 00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:20.320 response. What other scientific field would tolerate 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.699 such nonsense? That was a critique I found of 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:25.920 the experiment he had and how it wasn't actually 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.079 a significant result in any way. I'm still clear 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.380 on his experiment. be honest he was in space 00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:35.000 he would write down random numbers between one 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.260 and five and then he would assign zennard shapes 00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:42.619 to those yeah i mean my overall question is if 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:44.860 he was just putting it out to the ether like 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:48.199 where was he going to see if anybody picked it 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.880 up or not before he left he talked to the scientists 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.219 who said we have these four psychics who we would 00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:56.820 like to receive your calls from space right okay 00:34:56.820 --> 00:35:00.159 right okay then that was just what They didn't 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.039 know what time he was doing it, and if they did, 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.699 it was off because his flight left 40 minutes 00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:08.559 later than expected. So they basically were picking 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.659 something up from the ether that had happened 00:35:10.659 --> 00:35:12.900 prior, like some time prior that they couldn't 00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:17.539 have known. It's not a very good control in an 00:35:17.539 --> 00:35:19.719 experiment, anyhow. And even then, they picked 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.900 four people who are predisposed to this world. 00:35:23.179 --> 00:35:26.280 So why not have a control group in any way? Yeah, 00:35:26.500 --> 00:35:29.130 surprise it got published anyway. I didn't find 00:35:29.130 --> 00:35:31.050 the actual paper itself. I don't know where it 00:35:31.050 --> 00:35:33.230 was published, but I do know it still does get 00:35:33.230 --> 00:35:35.809 talked about somewhat and like the noetic science. 00:35:35.989 --> 00:35:39.340 Okay. That makes sense. Who comes from it, basically. 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.340 I'm sure a lot of people would just use for the 00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:44.860 name alone, Edgar Mitchell. Oh, yeah, for sure. 00:35:45.019 --> 00:35:47.760 And especially, it's done in space. You can have 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.480 so many things that just say, like, this is a 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.760 variable that is this is how the thing got gamma 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.940 radiation or space radiation to become the thing, 00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:57.960 which was the psychic stuff. So that's where 00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:59.929 it all comes from. There you go. This is where 00:35:59.929 --> 00:36:03.030 I leave this part off. He's done his career being 00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:05.590 an astronaut. He's moving into noetic sciences 00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:07.989 and we're going to see how this moves towards 00:36:07.989 --> 00:36:12.329 the UFOs. I'm totally excited for this. I was 00:36:12.329 --> 00:36:14.449 trying to assess how I feel about this and I'm 00:36:14.449 --> 00:36:16.739 not sure. I don't think he's an asshole yet. 00:36:16.940 --> 00:36:19.179 I'm intrigued. Well, we'll see how we feel. I'm 00:36:19.179 --> 00:36:22.820 intrigued by his interest in UFOs because I have 00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:25.480 that too, check. Number two, he's an astronaut. 00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:28.639 I don't have that. And then he had this like 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.880 life changing experience in space. But that's 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.599 not what brought him to UFOs. I want to make 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.460 that clear. I honestly think he retired and he 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:40.519 needed a hobby. Yeah, I could see it. I mean, 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.960 if I were to just up and become an astronaut 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.860 next year, I can't say that I wouldn't take the 00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:48.260 same interests that I have today with me into 00:36:48.260 --> 00:36:50.460 being an astronaut, you know what I mean? But 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.679 let's face it, it might actually impact our ability 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:56.139 to be astronauts. It's true. They have a lot 00:36:56.139 --> 00:36:59.360 of background check on us here on Journey to 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.420 the Fringe on why we shouldn't be astronauts. 00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:07.360 Anyhow, he didn't have a podcast. It's really 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.420 what's holding our generation back. And with 00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:12.300 that, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea. 00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:14.139 We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for 00:37:14.139 --> 00:37:18.360 listening and we'll see you next week. Bye. 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