WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane. Come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:34.159 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Tuning the dial 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:38.280 to exactly 13%, by the way, incredibly hard. 00:00:38.780 --> 00:00:42.060 It is. Incredibly hard. We had our top scientists 00:00:42.060 --> 00:00:45.320 working on it. We sure did. I think I got a fun 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:48.759 one for you, Taylor. Today, we're going to be 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:52.899 taking a glimpse into the world of Dog Man. And 00:00:52.899 --> 00:00:55.880 not the children's novel written by Dave Pilkey. 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:58.579 I know that's why you're getting excited. No, 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.960 no, I'm part of the subreddit, so I'm excited 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.650 for this episode. Okay, well I actually found 00:01:04.650 --> 00:01:07.450 out that this subreddit is bullshit. Oh it is. 00:01:08.269 --> 00:01:11.510 They literally just talk about this podcast it 00:01:11.510 --> 00:01:13.890 just or it's YouTube or something and they just 00:01:13.890 --> 00:01:16.709 post episodes and talk about the episodes So 00:01:16.709 --> 00:01:19.530 it's actually not actual dogman sightings They're 00:01:19.530 --> 00:01:22.890 just like what one's the scariest dogman sighting 00:01:22.890 --> 00:01:26.209 and they're like, oh episode 26 Yeah, that's 00:01:26.209 --> 00:01:29.290 why I don't read it that much but I am a member 00:01:29.290 --> 00:01:32.909 I am too and I didn't actually pay attention 00:01:32.909 --> 00:01:36.569 to it that much before apparently because I didn't 00:01:36.569 --> 00:01:38.799 know that's what they're Which is talking about 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.719 some YouTube channel, which is completely useless 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.739 to me anyhow I don't think Dave Pilkey's inspired 00:01:44.739 --> 00:01:48.519 by dog man, right? Like the the cryptid, you 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.000 know, I couldn't confirm or deny that We would 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:52.819 have to get him and I think he's probably we 00:01:52.819 --> 00:01:54.140 would have the people we've talked about He might 00:01:54.140 --> 00:01:55.700 be the hardest outside of the people who are 00:01:55.700 --> 00:02:13.099 dead If not bad daddy or Trenma So dog man actually 00:02:13.099 --> 00:02:16.280 has a long and rich history and for some reason 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.319 Strangely concentrated around the Great Lakes 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.259 mainly Michigan and Pennsylvania Crazy, I know 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:26.300 there's some outside of those areas, but there's 00:02:26.300 --> 00:02:29.460 a weird concentration of them here as well And 00:02:29.460 --> 00:02:33.460 I will have you recall back to Chicago Mothman 00:02:33.610 --> 00:02:37.629 who is in the same area funnily enough and I 00:02:37.629 --> 00:02:40.689 will also not call you back to any other episode 00:02:40.689 --> 00:02:43.689 but I'm sure there are many more weird things 00:02:43.689 --> 00:02:46.330 happening around there if they got Mothman and 00:02:46.330 --> 00:02:49.270 Dogman yeah it is weird that I don't think there's 00:02:49.270 --> 00:02:52.629 any cryptids in the actual lakes themselves no 00:02:52.629 --> 00:02:55.250 I've never heard of what there may be I've never 00:02:55.250 --> 00:02:58.930 actually looked into it yeah neither have I and 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:00.789 now that I said it we're gonna look like real 00:03:00.789 --> 00:03:04.620 fools I bet Probably full of them. Some other 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:09.080 sort of man is in there. See, I think it's just 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.080 filled with the remains of the Edmund Fitzgerald. 00:03:11.259 --> 00:03:13.800 That's all I know about the Great Lakes. Yeah, 00:03:13.860 --> 00:03:16.719 I don't even know that one. I don't even know 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.900 who that is. That's the song. Gordon Lightfoot? 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.460 No, maybe if I heard it. Maybe I know. I don't 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:29.430 know. So I assume this has to be the Great Lakes 00:03:29.430 --> 00:03:32.189 doing some weird shit because Pennsylvania is 00:03:32.189 --> 00:03:34.689 not touching much of the Great Lakes But there's 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:38.090 one tiny sliver touching it so I assume That 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:40.210 counts to me. There's a lot of weird stuff going 00:03:40.210 --> 00:03:42.409 around those lakes. Someone ought to look into 00:03:42.409 --> 00:03:46.389 it. Or we won't be us. Well, maybe in like here 00:03:46.389 --> 00:03:48.590 and there we'll touch it. You guys give us enough 00:03:48.590 --> 00:03:51.289 money. It's going to take more than David Wilcock, 00:03:51.310 --> 00:03:54.289 funny, to get us to look into this more. But 00:03:54.289 --> 00:03:58.069 we will if the money's right. It's true. We'll 00:03:58.069 --> 00:04:00.409 pretty much do... Well, we'll do a lot of things 00:04:00.409 --> 00:04:03.189 for money, probably. We wouldn't know that right 00:04:03.189 --> 00:04:09.069 now. We've looked into lycanthropy before. I 00:04:09.069 --> 00:04:11.830 learned that word in that episode. I believe 00:04:11.830 --> 00:04:14.710 Taylor blessed us with that episode. It is a 00:04:14.710 --> 00:04:17.449 long time ago. It was a long time ago. We've 00:04:17.449 --> 00:04:20.509 also looked at some dogman -type creatures before, 00:04:20.649 --> 00:04:23.649 such as the beast of Bray Road. I think we did 00:04:23.649 --> 00:04:26.129 that one? Pretty sure. We've done a whole werewolf 00:04:26.129 --> 00:04:29.410 episode, which is basically dogman of type. It 00:04:29.410 --> 00:04:34.639 basically is, actually. So... While werewolves 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.680 would turn into this, there's no mention with 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:41.300 dogman of them transforming from human to man. 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:44.259 I think they're just overall accepted that that 00:04:44.259 --> 00:04:48.399 is their form. So common traits will describe 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.879 dogman as a bipedal wolf -like creature with 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.899 human -like features. They vary encounter to 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:58.649 encounter. Imagine a giant, somewhat muscular 00:04:58.649 --> 00:05:01.009 man, depending on the sighting, depends on how 00:05:01.009 --> 00:05:03.750 muscular. I've seen a lot of the Arter's renditions 00:05:03.750 --> 00:05:05.910 where they just make him the beefiest ripped 00:05:05.910 --> 00:05:10.829 boy that ever did live. Yep, some are like coyote 00:05:10.829 --> 00:05:13.990 skinny, you know, like a lot skinnier than that. 00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:16.790 Some are super jacked. Some of them standing 00:05:16.790 --> 00:05:19.629 seven feet tall with the head of a German Shepherd 00:05:19.629 --> 00:05:23.310 or a Timber Wolf. Some of them are slightly dog 00:05:23.310 --> 00:05:26.629 -like with like a human nose. Unlike traditional 00:05:26.629 --> 00:05:30.110 werewolves, Dogman is not said to transform during 00:05:30.110 --> 00:05:32.949 the full moon or shift from human to beast. It's 00:05:32.949 --> 00:05:35.629 usually described as a permanent creature, part 00:05:35.629 --> 00:05:38.810 man, part wolf, seen in rural forests often at 00:05:38.810 --> 00:05:41.829 night. I think the most overwhelmingly weird 00:05:41.829 --> 00:05:44.750 thing... that you're going to recognize a dog 00:05:44.750 --> 00:05:47.810 man creature from is that it's standing upright 00:05:47.810 --> 00:05:51.790 on its hind legs. Completely unnatural. I know 00:05:51.790 --> 00:05:54.949 where you would say like, oh, there's a cryptid 00:05:54.949 --> 00:05:57.930 bear's walk on their hind feet sometimes. Dogs 00:05:57.930 --> 00:06:02.160 don't generally do that. No as a rule and I do 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.040 think from my understanding of it is that dogman 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.639 seems to have more sentience to it than a werewolf 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.519 and that it seems to kind of have like some cognition 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.339 of the world and like understanding of humans 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:16.920 There is also in some cases. I don't know that 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:19.180 I talk about it, which is why I say there are 00:06:19.180 --> 00:06:25.220 some talking dogs Yes, there are There's some 00:06:25.220 --> 00:06:29.360 that report mind speak from Dog man, which I 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.120 don't think has generally been associated with 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.060 werewolves. I don't know them. Although to be 00:06:34.060 --> 00:06:36.160 fair, I bet there's more people that have reported 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.839 mind -speaking with their dogs than there are 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.459 dog men. You think? Yeah, there's more dog interactions, 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:43.699 so I'm guessing there's more. Mind -speak is 00:06:43.699 --> 00:06:46.379 when a thought goes into your head. Do people 00:06:46.379 --> 00:06:48.819 generally do that with their dogs? Yeah, you 00:06:48.819 --> 00:06:50.139 don't think there's people out there that say 00:06:50.139 --> 00:06:53.240 their dog has like mind -shared with them? Maybe, 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:57.490 but that's not like a thought coming in. Maybe 00:06:57.490 --> 00:07:00.870 I'm not gonna say no actually I mean I can get 00:07:00.870 --> 00:07:03.569 what a dog's trying to say what our dogs have 00:07:03.569 --> 00:07:05.329 been trying to say Well, they're more subtle 00:07:05.329 --> 00:07:07.509 about it than dog man. They don't actually say 00:07:07.509 --> 00:07:10.310 it in my head though They're not like let me 00:07:10.310 --> 00:07:15.370 in you son of a bitch you forgot me outside Okay, 00:07:15.550 --> 00:07:17.910 their height can be between six to eight feet 00:07:17.910 --> 00:07:20.709 sometimes one upright three to four feet at the 00:07:20.709 --> 00:07:22.569 shoulder on all fours I don't even know what 00:07:22.569 --> 00:07:24.689 that means. I do like that you added sometimes 00:07:24.689 --> 00:07:29.500 there We're going to give you a general idea 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:31.860 of what it can be within, but it won't fit that 00:07:31.860 --> 00:07:35.220 all the time. Only sometimes. It sure won't. 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:40.500 Eyes are often described as having eye glow or 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:43.420 eye shine. What one's the one that I want? They 00:07:43.420 --> 00:07:45.879 light themselves up. Oh, I thought you mean like 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.839 that thing when you like shine a flashlight on 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.620 them. They don't have that. They actually glow. 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.800 Oh, then it's glowing eyes. Glowing eyes. Either 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.980 amber or icy blue. a beautiful icy blue head 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:01.019 clearly canine like a german shepherd or wolf 00:08:01.019 --> 00:08:04.339 and like i said sometimes it's can you imagine 00:08:04.339 --> 00:08:08.120 if it was a pug oh man there's so many different 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.339 dog breeds where their head just would not fit 00:08:10.339 --> 00:08:13.240 on a human or would fit too well like a bulldog 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.540 oh yeah oh a bulldog oh if i saw someone like 00:08:17.540 --> 00:08:20.819 that no that's just a human oh you're so cute 00:08:20.819 --> 00:08:25.860 it's just a human or a boxer sounds apparently 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:29.800 deep growls or screams resembling a human we 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.419 already talked about the mind speak sometimes 00:08:32.419 --> 00:08:36.299 there's mind speak telepathy that they're protruding 00:08:36.299 --> 00:08:39.679 their thoughts into your head. They move fluidly 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.820 on two legs but can drop to all fours. They seem 00:08:43.820 --> 00:08:46.980 to be a fairly aggressive cryptid and they're 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:50.000 known to approach or confront humans especially 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.679 near fresh kills so dear livestock. So pretend 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.340 you asked what is the difference between dogmen 00:08:56.340 --> 00:08:59.200 and werewolves which I've already told you a 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:04.220 little bit but I could tell you more. Many dogman 00:09:04.220 --> 00:09:07.159 accounts blurb with traditional werewolf stories. 00:09:07.580 --> 00:09:10.919 Pennsylvania in particular has historic werewolf 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.720 stories like the 1899 Northumberland legend where 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.580 a man shoots a wolf but finds a dead human at 00:09:17.580 --> 00:09:20.340 the end of a trail. That's just a tragic accident 00:09:20.340 --> 00:09:22.120 it sounds like. That sounds like somebody trying 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.120 to get away with murder actually. Yeah, it could 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.960 be that. You couldn't believe it. I was shooting 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:33.120 a wolf, got down there, guy was a werewolf. Guaranteed. 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:39.100 2011, Bradford County report, a large wolf -like 00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:42.279 creature spotted running on two legs along a 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.539 road. I'm sorry, if I saw something like that 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:48.139 I would freak the fuck out. And then Linda Godfrey, 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.659 who's a cryptid researcher or something like 00:09:50.659 --> 00:09:53.519 that, links dogman sightings to the beast of 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.799 Bray Road in Wisconsin, which is a very similar 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.620 creature. So sightings of dog man go way back. 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:06.419 Pre 1887, there's early lore and folklore about 00:10:06.419 --> 00:10:12.860 dog man or wolf. This creature was unknown to 00:10:12.860 --> 00:10:15.899 most of the modern world until very late in the 00:10:15.899 --> 00:10:18.929 20th century. It is said to have been stalking 00:10:18.929 --> 00:10:22.470 the area around the Manistee River since the 00:10:22.470 --> 00:10:26.990 days when the Odawa tribes lived there. In 1794, 00:10:27.629 --> 00:10:31.350 in Fur Trader Journal, Wexford County, Michigan, 00:10:31.590 --> 00:10:34.450 a French fur trader records an encounter near 00:10:34.450 --> 00:10:37.330 the Manistee River describing a creature called 00:10:37.330 --> 00:10:40.509 a loop guru, French for werewolf. And either 00:10:40.509 --> 00:10:44.710 we talked exactly about this sighting or we just 00:10:44.710 --> 00:10:47.539 talked about the loop guru. Which is just French 00:10:47.539 --> 00:10:50.659 for werewolf. So it is such a better name for 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:52.519 a werewolf Can you imagine screaming that in 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.440 like horror running away from something? And 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.240 of course you have to have a bottle of wine while 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.500 you're yelling that to make it even classier 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:07.360 He noted it was large wolf -like and moved unlike 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.029 a normal animal This region was home to the Odawa 00:11:11.029 --> 00:11:14.809 tribes and indigenous Algonquin legends mention 00:11:14.809 --> 00:11:18.330 similar wolf -human hybrids. There are Native 00:11:18.330 --> 00:11:20.929 American connections during this time that go 00:11:20.929 --> 00:11:24.549 way back. Algonquin mythology speaks of shapeshifting 00:11:24.549 --> 00:11:27.909 beings possibly linked to the dogma. I wonder 00:11:27.909 --> 00:11:30.549 if they're not talking about skinwalkers here. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.500 But I don't believe that this is the area where 00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:38.539 skinwalkers are existing. So they really shouldn't 00:11:38.539 --> 00:11:43.480 be no no so Possibly another creature these beings 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.320 were often associated with spiritual imbalance 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.059 or taboo breaking behavior Which is what the 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:54.080 skinwalker was associated with as well. So in 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.389 1887 coming out of the early lore and folklore 00:11:58.389 --> 00:12:01.690 in Wexford County, Michigan. This is the first 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:05.190 modern encounter and this is where two lumberjacks 00:12:05.190 --> 00:12:08.429 working in remote forested areas described a 00:12:08.429 --> 00:12:10.669 creature with the body of a man and the head 00:12:10.669 --> 00:12:14.230 of a dog or a wolf. This being walked upright 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:17.090 on two legs and was estimated at being around 00:12:17.090 --> 00:12:20.049 seven feet tall and the lumberjacks were reportedly 00:12:20.049 --> 00:12:23.460 so frightened that they fled the area. This sighting 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:26.639 is considered the origin point of the Michigan 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.740 dogman name and marked the beginning of modern 00:12:29.740 --> 00:12:36.740 dogman folklore. 1887. So I want to jump forward 00:12:36.740 --> 00:12:39.960 a bunch. I do find it interesting that this one 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.080 doesn't apparently have any like standing in 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.460 indigenous culture. What do you mean? It just 00:12:45.460 --> 00:12:48.120 like that it only goes back to the 1880s. There's 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.929 nothing before that. Well, it's not like the 00:12:50.929 --> 00:12:54.450 1880s with the Native American folklore. That 00:12:54.450 --> 00:12:57.370 one I don't have the time for. So it could just 00:12:57.370 --> 00:12:59.750 be like the beginning of that. Oh, fair enough. 00:12:59.909 --> 00:13:05.389 You can just skip over. Yeah. Skipping way ahead 00:13:05.389 --> 00:13:11.870 to 1987. Following up the rear of the original 00:13:11.870 --> 00:13:16.850 sighting relates, I promise. There is a April 00:13:16.850 --> 00:13:22.149 Fool's Day radio broadcast by DJ Steve Cook at 00:13:22.149 --> 00:13:26.850 WTCM FM Introverse City that releases a song 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:30.230 we're gonna take a look at because it causes 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:37.750 a huge ripple in the dog man community. I'm gonna 00:13:37.750 --> 00:13:43.960 play it and then we'll talk about it. take a 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.000 look at it. You know, it was obviously it wasn't 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.279 a bear because, you know, he just tried to chew 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.299 in around the doors. You could see a dog print, 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:58.600 you know, alongside the windowsill there. And 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:25.700 so it was obviously a dog. They really didn't 00:14:25.700 --> 00:14:42.220 spare any expense on this music video. I wonder 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:54.129 if I should be reading this. at a nameless logging 00:14:54.129 --> 00:14:57.330 camp in Wexford County where the Manistee River 00:14:57.330 --> 00:15:01.769 ran. Eleven lumberjacks near the Garland Swamp 00:15:01.769 --> 00:15:05.190 found an animal they thought was a dog. In a 00:15:05.190 --> 00:15:08.350 playful mood, they chased it around till it ran 00:15:08.350 --> 00:15:12.669 inside a hollow log. A logger named Johnson grabbed 00:15:12.669 --> 00:15:16.950 him a stick and poked around inside. Then the 00:15:16.950 --> 00:15:20.230 thing let out an unearthly scream and came out. 00:15:24.779 --> 00:15:30.960 upright. None of those men ever said very much 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.620 about whatever happened then. They just packed 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:37.299 up their belongings and left that night, were 00:15:37.299 --> 00:15:41.279 never heard from again. It was ten years later 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:46.220 in 97 when a farmer near Buckley was found. Slumped 00:15:46.220 --> 00:15:49.100 over his plow, his heart stopped, there were 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:53.519 dog tracks all around. Seven years past the turn 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.139 of the century, they say a crazy old widow had 00:15:56.139 --> 00:16:00.279 a dream of dogs that circled her house at night. 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:18.340 They walked like men and screamed. In 1917, a 00:16:18.340 --> 00:16:21.879 sheriff who was out of walking found a driverless 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.980 wagon and tracks in the dust like wolves had 00:16:24.980 --> 00:16:29.159 been a stalking. Near the roadside, a four -horse 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.759 team lay dead with their eyes open wide. When 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:35.620 the vet finished up his examination, he said 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:39.860 it looked like they died of fright. In 37, a 00:16:39.860 --> 00:16:42.600 schooner captain said several crew members had 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.100 reported. A pack of wild dogs row in Bowers Harbor. 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:54.320 His story. was never recorded. Till now. That 00:16:54.320 --> 00:17:04.019 was a great rhyme right there. In 57, a man of 00:17:04.019 --> 00:17:07.059 the cloth found claw marks on an old church door. 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.240 The newspaper said they'd been made by a dog. 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:38.220 He'd had to stood seven foot four. I keep waiting 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:40.579 for the chorus to come, it's just not gonna happen. 00:17:43.059 --> 00:17:46.640 He just talks the song. There were cuts around 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.660 the doors could have only been made by very sharp 00:17:49.660 --> 00:17:53.259 teeth and claws. He didn't wear shoes because 00:17:53.259 --> 00:17:57.019 he didn't have feet. He walked on just two paws. 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.920 You can only tell a story in this matter of song. 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:06.579 You really can. Screamo, for instance. Well, 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:11.440 he could rap it. Legends are born of stories 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.589 told, imagination without restriction. But what 00:18:15.589 --> 00:18:19.470 does a legend become when the truth outruns the 00:18:19.470 --> 00:18:24.410 fiction? The decades come, the decades go. People 00:18:24.410 --> 00:18:28.450 still swear they see. Interlock and read city 00:18:28.450 --> 00:18:30.950 back and on. There was something looking back 00:18:30.950 --> 00:18:34.910 at me. And somewhere in the Northwoods darkness, 00:18:35.769 --> 00:18:39.690 a creature walks upright. And the best advice 00:18:39.690 --> 00:18:52.180 you may ever get. I think Kendrick Lamar should 00:18:52.180 --> 00:19:00.920 cover this. That would be the best halftime show 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:08.920 in Super Bowl history. I don't know if we can 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.359 play that entire song in our episode, we might 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:20.460 lose some people. It's an important part. It 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.359 is an important part of Dog Man Lore and history. 00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:27.779 I hope that you're still with us. Welcome back. 00:19:28.220 --> 00:19:31.480 This was an April Fool's prank, by the way. It 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:35.880 was not real. I assume Steve Cook did that talking 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.170 in the video that you just heard. It's called 00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:43.329 The Legend and it's referenced mythical creatures 00:19:43.329 --> 00:19:47.029 from around North America including what he says 00:19:47.029 --> 00:19:50.509 is a made -up dogman. Intended as a satire but 00:19:50.509 --> 00:19:53.690 the response to this video when they played it 00:19:53.690 --> 00:19:58.769 was overwhelming. And it was a totally unexpected 00:19:58.769 --> 00:20:02.269 outcome for Steve, who is a skeptic because dozens 00:20:02.269 --> 00:20:04.990 of listeners called and claiming to have seen 00:20:04.990 --> 00:20:07.789 this creature. Many reports came from Michigan, 00:20:08.210 --> 00:20:11.049 also neighboring states. Steve Cook said he was 00:20:11.049 --> 00:20:14.349 shocked at how many people believed or had already 00:20:14.349 --> 00:20:18.009 encountered the same creature that he had intended 00:20:18.009 --> 00:20:21.470 as a satire. He later added verses to the song 00:20:21.470 --> 00:20:24.589 based on real reports and re -recorded it in 00:20:24.589 --> 00:20:29.029 1990. and 2007 so I'm not sure what one that 00:20:29.029 --> 00:20:31.410 we just listened to right there to be honest 00:20:31.410 --> 00:20:35.130 with you 2007 okay one of the phone calls Steve 00:20:35.130 --> 00:20:38.309 received was from none other than Robert Fortney 00:20:38.309 --> 00:20:41.569 who was fishing one summer day on the Muscagon 00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:48.329 River closest to the town of Paris Michigan man 00:20:48.329 --> 00:20:50.170 we were unoriginal and naming things when we 00:20:50.170 --> 00:20:55.579 got to North America The year was 1938 and Fortney 00:20:55.579 --> 00:20:59.640 was 17 years old. Suddenly, Fortney was attacked 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.160 by a pack of wild dogs, six, as far as Fortney 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.079 could count. The teenager was lucky to have his 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.220 rifle handy for some reason. Before any of the 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:12.279 dogs could lunge, he fired one warning shot into 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.359 the air and after that all the dogs scattered, 00:21:15.859 --> 00:21:19.180 save for one. This black fur canine proved to 00:21:19.180 --> 00:21:23.359 be no ordinary dog. However, and as soon as the 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:26.680 shot rang out, it proceeded to stare into Fortney's 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.640 eyes with his own piercing blue gaze from a distance 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:35.339 of 10 feet. Then it started grinning. Not succumbing 00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:38.940 to fear, Robert Fortney fired one more warning 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:41.079 shot. This time, I think you're really supposed 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.779 to fire one. How many bullets did he take? Because 00:21:43.779 --> 00:21:47.279 I feel like you got to play that carefully. this 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.940 time causing the maybe werewolf to run off. However, 00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:55.960 instead of skedaddling on all fours, this would 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.180 -be werewolf stood up to around six feet tall 00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:02.900 before running away on two legs. And that was 00:22:02.900 --> 00:22:06.730 Robert Fortney. Moving on, sightings continue 00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:11.210 across the Midwest and beyond. In the 1950s to 00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:15.029 60s, this is one of the reports of upright canine 00:22:15.029 --> 00:22:18.670 creatures in Allegan County, Cross Village, and 00:22:18.670 --> 00:22:21.789 Manistee, which were often linked with livestock 00:22:21.789 --> 00:22:25.410 disappearances or deer kills. The behavior was 00:22:25.410 --> 00:22:28.329 described as territorial and sometimes aggressive. 00:22:28.539 --> 00:22:33.460 1993 through 1994 Ottawa County Grand Haven a 00:22:33.460 --> 00:22:37.059 man known only as Ben reported three separate 00:22:37.059 --> 00:22:40.619 sightings. One in December 1993 involved the 00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.599 dog man standing on his hind legs behind a car 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:47.880 and it fled only after Ben screamed. Another 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.920 1994 sighting involved a driver hitting what 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.480 he thought was a deer. When he checked, the body 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.000 was gone. Only gray fur was left in the grill. 00:22:56.180 --> 00:22:59.200 I mean, that is not a dog man sighting. How did 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.019 it even make this into my notes? And what episode 00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:06.619 is complete without a skinwalker ranch reference? 00:23:06.910 --> 00:23:10.349 This is not anywhere near the Great Lakes, which 00:23:10.349 --> 00:23:14.470 is the Uinta Basin. It was a police officer, 00:23:14.470 --> 00:23:18.450 I believe, in Skinwalker Ranch that had the sighting 00:23:18.450 --> 00:23:22.269 of two dogmen in trench coats smoking cigarettes 00:23:22.269 --> 00:23:25.289 on the side of the road. Yeah, I think so. One 00:23:25.289 --> 00:23:28.869 of my favorite sightings of dogmen ever to be 00:23:28.869 --> 00:23:31.369 recorded and one of my favorite encounters in 00:23:31.369 --> 00:23:36.190 the book. So there was a video that was released 00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:40.789 of a dog man and this is referred to as the Gable 00:23:40.789 --> 00:23:45.990 film that came out in 2007. This supposed vintage 00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:50.309 8mm footage showing a dog man attacking someone 00:23:50.309 --> 00:23:53.250 gained massive attention on YouTube and paranormal 00:23:53.250 --> 00:23:57.799 sites. followed by gable film part two showing 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.519 a police investigation both were hoaxes and were 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:06.359 featured on monster quest linda godfrey who i 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.460 mentioned earlier in this episode she is like 00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:12.539 a cryptid hunter or something who has worked 00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:16.599 on the Beast of Brave Road. She acknowledges 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:20.480 the hoaxes of Dogman and she also defends the 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.480 credibility of many eyewitnesses because there 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.619 are a ton of people who have had sightings of 00:24:26.619 --> 00:24:30.240 Dogman and she does suggest that there is consistency 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.839 across independent reports. Now what I want to 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:38.079 end this episode with is somebody who spends 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.799 a lot of time investigating dogman encounters 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.019 in and around this area but not specific to this 00:24:45.019 --> 00:24:48.000 area there just seems to be a pattern is somebody 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.140 who we love long strickler of phantoms and monsters 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:55.859 he does not just cover chicago mothman they also 00:24:55.859 --> 00:24:58.440 follow dogman so there's some good news for your 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.160 day let's read some encounters i didn't do reddit 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:05.359 reddit was disappointing yeah reddit really is 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.140 disappointing when it comes to dogman yeah so 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:10.759 i'm gonna read these ones which i find much more 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.170 credible than reddit and anyway, Reddit encounters 00:25:14.170 --> 00:25:17.519 are usually just entertaining. In August 2015 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.319 the woman was standing inside her home looking 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:23.660 out at a bright full or close to full moon when 00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:26.400 she saw a large canine looking creature standing 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.640 at the edge of a pond approximately 25 yards 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.099 distance. It was just staring at the pond. It 00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:35.460 was upright and had a short snout and short pointed 00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:38.720 ears. It had what appeared to be narrow flat 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.059 feet. The only movement noticed was the tail 00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:44.880 swishing back and forth. She watched it for 10 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.660 minutes and it did not move as it continued to 00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:50.420 stare into the pond on the property which has 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:53.240 apple orchards and is close to the state game 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.319 lands 33 and 176. The creature was standing sideways 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.759 to her so she only saw a side profile. Her husband 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.460 also advised their one -year -old bulldog went 00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:06.140 out the next day and squirted all tires on their 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:09.119 vehicles to mark his territory. He's never done 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.339 that. ever. She was sure the full moon was at 00:26:12.339 --> 00:26:14.440 the end of the month but didn't remember the 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.799 date. A moon phase check for August 2015 revealed 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.420 full moon on August 29 and 30 August. She estimates 00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.799 the height of the creature to be 8 feet. Note 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.700 the only other description of a short snout creature 00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:30.680 was on November 6, 2014 report the two dog incident 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:36.940 at SGL 331. Next one is a South Central Pennsylvania 00:26:36.940 --> 00:26:41.019 waste hauler recently observed an unknown cow 00:26:41.019 --> 00:26:44.559 -sized hyena -like cryptid at approximately 3 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.059 a .m. Those are weird descriptors to put together. 00:26:47.740 --> 00:26:50.579 I know and that's why I said when I was going 00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:52.799 through the description this is generally what 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:54.819 you're gonna hear described but then you get 00:26:54.819 --> 00:26:58.339 into stuff especially with Lon Strickler. We 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:01.000 even had some super weird Mothman encounters 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.460 that I feel like you wouldn't have seen anywhere 00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:07.049 else because people collect evidence to fit what 00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:09.769 they want to, but this obviously doesn't fit 00:27:09.769 --> 00:27:13.289 exactly what I was saying with Dogman. I was 00:27:13.289 --> 00:27:15.549 just gonna call him Bigfoot. Yeah, hyena is not 00:27:15.549 --> 00:27:19.009 a dog and like a cow is not a man. Yeah, and 00:27:19.009 --> 00:27:22.329 a dire wolf is not a, what was it again? A wolf. 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:27.950 A wolf, right. But dogs come in all shapes and 00:27:27.950 --> 00:27:32.599 sizes and for breeds of creature. Including hyena. 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.579 Okay during his route near Shippensburg, Pennsylvania 00:27:36.579 --> 00:27:39.500 The following account was recently sent to me 00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:43.859 around 3 a .m. On July 14 2020 I have my first 00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:46.420 close cryptid sighting I'm writing to you in 00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:48.940 the community to see if anyone else had seen 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:52.200 or heard anything the likes of what I saw today 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.000 Can I just interrupt because I feel like if you 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.460 know someone and they come up to you and they're 00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:00.650 like Taylor I had my first cryptid encounter 00:28:00.650 --> 00:28:03.789 yeah you buy them a cake and like congratulations 00:28:03.789 --> 00:28:07.089 on your first cryptid encounter i don't know 00:28:07.089 --> 00:28:09.910 you say the first one's never easy it gets better 00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:13.789 from here yeah tell me everything because i need 00:28:13.789 --> 00:28:19.150 to put it on my vlog yes yeah now i'm a waste 00:28:19.150 --> 00:28:23.069 hauler in brackets trash man and brad i start 00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:26.279 my days very early every day. So the majority 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.259 of my work day takes place in the wee hours of 00:28:29.259 --> 00:28:31.779 the day. I live in South Central Pennsylvania 00:28:31.779 --> 00:28:34.539 and have resided there nearly my whole life. 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:37.819 My place of employment is in the college town 00:28:37.819 --> 00:28:41.460 of Shippensburg. My job sits on an outlying area 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.299 of Shippensburg. A lot of these areas are surrounded 00:28:44.299 --> 00:28:47.700 by vast farmlands and open fields. Well, this 00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:50.059 morning while traveling to the start of my route, 00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:53.539 I turned down one of the many roads surrounded 00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:57.299 by It was a half crescent moon, so there was 00:28:57.299 --> 00:29:00.140 plenty of light to see in the darkness. As I 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220 rounded my turn, I saw what looked like a cow 00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:07.059 lying in an open field. But this field had no 00:29:07.059 --> 00:29:10.640 fences or wire to keep livestock in. And it was 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.440 only one. I found this very odd as I'm looking 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.059 at the broad shoulders of what I thought was 00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:21.099 a ca - So I broke out my high -power mag light 00:29:21.099 --> 00:29:23.720 to brighten up what I was looking at. What is 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.019 a mag light? I don't know. Maybe it's a flashlight. 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:29.339 Yeah, it's a big flashlight. One with a big candle. 00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:33.299 Nice, okay. It rose up from the ground in a slow, 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.480 lumbering, and purposeful action. As it came 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.339 up on all fours, the creature stood about five 00:29:39.339 --> 00:29:43.960 to six feet at its shoulder blades? That's taller 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.460 than I am. I'm my truck, I'm elevated, and I 00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:50.059 sit about that high from the ground. The creature 00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:53.539 was about 30 feet from me, and I know if I stood 00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:55.700 toe to toe with it, its head would be taller 00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:58.980 than I, and I'm six foot. Now, at this moment, 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:01.779 the back of this creature is still facing me. 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.099 It then turned its head into my light and the 00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:07.960 lens flare off its eyes were a yellow -green 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.720 color, and eyes facing forward. This was a predatory 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.960 creature, not a damn cow. At that moment, heat 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:21.619 and cold wash over my body and I feel real genuine 00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:24.839 life -threatening fear takeover. I don't move. 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.039 Sitting in the middle of the road knowing I'm 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.700 low on the pecking order of the food train at 00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:33.579 this moment. It continues to measure me for what 00:30:33.579 --> 00:30:36.440 felt forever and it suddenly turned its head 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.680 and tore off faster than I could know. My pathetic 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.720 guess is about 30 to 40 miles per hour as it 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.839 darted away and after all this the only thing 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.460 I could think was that it was some form of giant 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.700 hyena the most terrifying real -life creature 00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.680 I've ever witnessed and it was gone so fast it's 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.799 been on my mind all day and I had to share this 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.279 experience I always listen to your show or others 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.740 and hear about people in their sightings feeling 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:09.299 away wishing for my experience and as of this 00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:12.619 morning I really wish I didn't get my turn not 00:31:12.619 --> 00:31:15.859 like that not feeling so vulnerable like it was 00:31:15.859 --> 00:31:18.960 starting at its next meal I hope there are others 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.599 that may have seen or heard what I saw. That 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.259 light can be shed on the topic, especially my 00:31:24.259 --> 00:31:26.960 area. I work in that darkness all the time. Now 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.420 I'm looking over my shoulder. Interesting that 00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:32.819 he is a listener of the podcast and he knew exactly 00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:35.299 where to report it. Yeah, I wonder how many of 00:31:35.299 --> 00:31:37.599 them are actually listeners. From my experience 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.039 reading the account, there's very little of them. 00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:42.880 Yeah, I've never had one like put it in there 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.440 that they reported it that day though, because 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.900 they knew exactly. where to report it yeah which 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:52.660 is pretty strange let's just pick one at random 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:55.380 because i didn't pick another one so let's go 00:31:55.380 --> 00:32:01.019 oh i got another massive hyena one oh nice yeah 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:04.380 let's do another or do you want to do gruesome 00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:08.559 cryptid k9 yeah i better do that one so we know 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.859 that that massive hyena is probably on the loose 00:32:11.859 --> 00:32:15.319 in and around that area so you can know nothing 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.500 about it Nope. For the past several weeks, I've 00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:21.160 been referring to a cryptic K -9 case that was 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.279 submitted to me by the witness MH. Most of the 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.539 particulars are included in the witness written 00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:29.240 report the phantoms and monsters 14 research 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.460 team and i have talked to the witness on numerous 00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:35.240 occasions quote this sighting happened on 4 30 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.940 22 birdsboro pennsylvania in the birdsboro preserve 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:43.039 this area is just north of french creek state 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.279 park and the forests intersect with one another 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.359 there are roughly 15 to 20 square miles of dense 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.240 natural woodlands in this area it is one of the 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.309 largest forested areas in southeastern It was 00:32:56.309 --> 00:32:59.450 a crystal clear warm spring day and my 12 year 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:02.630 old daughter wanted to learn trout fishing. Interesting. 00:33:03.069 --> 00:33:05.730 We decided to go up to Hay Creek which runs for 00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:08.589 13 miles through French Creek State Park and 00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:10.950 through the Byrdsboro Preserve. We parked at 00:33:10.950 --> 00:33:13.690 the north end of the preserve on old route 82 00:33:13.690 --> 00:33:17.130 now called Hay Creek Road. We hiked up into the 00:33:17.130 --> 00:33:19.950 old road past the still active larger quarry 00:33:19.950 --> 00:33:22.809 and continued up about a half mile past it. We 00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:25.849 found a spot where she could practice waiting 00:33:25.849 --> 00:33:28.529 in the stream in a safe shallow area for the 00:33:28.529 --> 00:33:31.150 stream with semi -fast water. There were a lot 00:33:31.150 --> 00:33:34.329 of people walking, hiking, and horseback riding 00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:37.069 that day and not a cloud in the sky. We fished 00:33:37.069 --> 00:33:39.710 the spot for about two hours or so slowly moving 00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:42.390 back down the stream. At one point while I was 00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:44.750 sitting on the bank enjoying the stream and nature 00:33:44.750 --> 00:33:46.930 while my daughter was fishing I heard a loud 00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:50.089 crash like a tree was falling over behind us. 00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:52.750 It was a bit strange because I didn't hear any 00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:56.119 chainsaws. Funny that he that's the only way 00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.380 trees come down. It's very natural. Yeah And 00:34:00.380 --> 00:34:03.160 this sounded like a huge tree was coming down 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.680 It was only a few hundred feet behind us and 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.219 it was super loud being an avid stream Outdoorsman 00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:11.739 for three plus decades, you know when things 00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:14.320 seem out of place This was totally different 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.519 from a tree falling over and then silence But 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.739 to him it just seemed like he thought it sounded 00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:22.519 exactly like a tree falling over This went on 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.019 for about two minutes and I stood up and looked 00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:27.360 around. in the direction the sound was coming 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.219 from but saw nothing I said to myself that was 00:34:30.219 --> 00:34:33.079 a bit strange and it just stopped about 30 minutes 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.760 later I heard the same thing and again this went 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.440 on for two minutes again now I'm puzzled and 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:40.940 I was like what the hell is going on this is 00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:43.719 not normal I said to my daughter let's start 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.780 heading back down the stream and find another 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:48.719 spot I still did not see anything unusual but 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.460 was on alert I thought to myself it could be 00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:54.519 deer up in the back across the road but this 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.760 sounded. That sentence does not make a lot of 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.539 sense. Then I heard a giant crashing through 00:35:00.539 --> 00:35:03.579 the woods as it was very loud. This time it was 00:35:03.579 --> 00:35:06.440 definitely closer to us. We walked about 200 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.960 yards down the trail and we started hearing this 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.820 again and it was even closer than the past two 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:14.400 times. We stopped and looked up towards the quarry 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.719 in the direction of the sound but still saw nothing. 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.260 I assume it's crashing of branches? I said we 00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:22.860 will cross the stream and fish down around the 00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:25.659 bend. The spot where you cross the stream is 00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:28.119 about 30 feet wide and very slippery. We took 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.500 it slow because the water was a bit high for 00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:33.199 my daughter. We were about halfway across and 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.300 all hell broke loose with the sound of tree branches 00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:39.380 breaking again. It took us about 90 seconds to 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:41.780 cross the stream and I was holding her hand to 00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:44.500 help her. The whole time the sound is still going 00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:47.219 on and I'm looking back but see nothing because 00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:49.719 we're about 20 feet below the quarry where the 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.460 old bridge was. Where we cross the stream there's 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:56.440 about a six to seven foot beam to step up to 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.820 the road level. I get up first and help my daughter 00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:01.400 get up with my hand when I see something moving 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.960 in the distance out of my peripheral vision. 00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:07.039 I turn and look and see nothing at first. Then 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.480 in the distance where the sound is coming from, 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.900 I walk onto a 40 foot pine tree at the top of 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:16.019 the quarry swaying violently side to side at 00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:19.980 least five feet each way. I pointed to my daughter 00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:22.679 and said, holy crap, what the hell is that? Look, 00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:26.000 The next 40 to 50 seconds would change my life 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.739 forever. You were watching the pine tree shake 00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:31.840 for about 10 to 15 seconds. Then I saw what I 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.559 thought was an arm reaching out of the tree. 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.340 I grabbed a bird. It grabbed, it grabbed a bird. 00:36:38.710 --> 00:36:42.110 which I think was a turkey buzzard. All of a 00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:44.670 sudden this thing jumps from the pine tree to 00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:47.809 a big oak tree about 10 feet away and starts 00:36:47.809 --> 00:36:51.429 climbing on the outside of the canopy. It pivoted 00:36:51.429 --> 00:36:54.250 around somewhat like a spider on the top of the 00:36:54.250 --> 00:36:57.369 canopy and disappears into the branches of this 00:36:57.369 --> 00:37:00.369 large oak tree. Keep in mind the leaves are just 00:37:00.369 --> 00:37:02.949 starting to bud on the tree and we can see movements 00:37:02.949 --> 00:37:05.110 in the tree branches. Yeah, you should be able 00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:07.130 to see pretty well in an oak tree if there's 00:37:07.130 --> 00:37:11.050 no leaves on it. This is about 200 to 300 feet 00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:13.610 away. The whole time branches are breaking very 00:37:13.610 --> 00:37:16.210 large branches about two inches thick. This goes 00:37:16.210 --> 00:37:18.690 on for about ten or more seconds and then this 00:37:18.690 --> 00:37:21.449 thing jumps out of the tree. Now these trees 00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:24.630 are at least 40 feet high. Plus it falls another 00:37:24.630 --> 00:37:28.289 15 to 20 feet onto a 60 degree incline of rocks. 00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:32.289 So about 60 or so feet this thing fell. I thought 00:37:32.289 --> 00:37:34.730 it was dead. I'll never forget the sound of the 00:37:34.730 --> 00:37:37.730 impact. This thing hit super hard and rocks started 00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.119 flying down the side of this quarry inclined 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.519 at least 10 feet. When it fell out of the tree, 00:37:42.619 --> 00:37:45.300 this creature landed on all fours. This thing 00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:48.579 is lying flat and is a bit dazzled or winded. 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.260 Then this thing stands up bipedally on its two 00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:55.280 hind legs and is about 10 to 12 feet in height. 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.239 I'm thinking that this thing should be dead. 00:37:57.260 --> 00:38:00.139 I'm thinking bear, mountain lion, big push. So 00:38:00.139 --> 00:38:02.900 this thing stands up and then goes back on all 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:05.800 fours and jumps like a toad or a frog does and 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.539 then clears 20 feet. Of ground in total not even 00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:12.219 trying as well as jumps in height about eight 00:38:12.219 --> 00:38:15.239 to ten feet in one jump It was on all fours again 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.000 flat like a frog and then it dropped this bird 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.579 that it had in its left hand keep in mind this 00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:23.179 thing landed facing away from us on the right 00:38:23.179 --> 00:38:25.820 side of us with its back to us and running away 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:28.360 parallel to our left and then reaches out with 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.619 its left hand and grabs the bird and pulls it 00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:33.179 back into its chest the arms on this thing are 00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:36.300 at least six feet plus in length it has human 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:39.340 -like hands and legs the hands have at least 00:38:39.340 --> 00:38:41.659 two to three inch claws on the fingers as well 00:38:41.659 --> 00:38:44.940 as are you thinking monkey a little bit isn't 00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:48.139 quick out to the head yeah as it grabbed a Brit 00:38:48.139 --> 00:38:51.389 I feel like to this there has to be as it grabbed 00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:53.369 the bird and turned its head to the side and 00:38:53.369 --> 00:38:56.269 I saw the side of the head and face this thing 00:38:56.269 --> 00:38:59.949 was bald from the neck up it had a canine style 00:38:59.949 --> 00:39:03.369 snout or nose with an upper jaw with an overhang 00:39:03.369 --> 00:39:06.769 with very long upper teeth like fangs on a werewolf 00:39:06.769 --> 00:39:09.809 no joke about it and it was hairless you see 00:39:10.329 --> 00:39:13.329 thing when it stood up from heel to hip was six 00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:16.349 to seven feet in height and from hip to shoulder 00:39:16.349 --> 00:39:19.969 was another three feet from heel to top of its 00:39:19.969 --> 00:39:24.449 head was 10 to 13 feet easy and it was mostly 00:39:24.449 --> 00:39:28.170 a leg too the head was like a human's head but 00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:32.030 had pointed ears like a dog's butt not on top 00:39:32.030 --> 00:39:35.010 of the head. It had ears where a human has them, 00:39:35.349 --> 00:39:38.250 but longer and pointed. It had fur like a deer 00:39:38.250 --> 00:39:41.690 in length, but very short, brown, gray and black. 00:39:41.949 --> 00:39:44.690 The skin was gray in color. This creature was 00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:47.489 very skinny though, like it was starving or not 00:39:47.489 --> 00:39:49.809 healthy. Very skinny except the forearms and 00:39:49.809 --> 00:39:53.010 its legs were very toned. It did not have a tail. 00:39:53.329 --> 00:39:56.210 This thing stands up again bipedally and takes 00:39:56.210 --> 00:39:58.960 a step. like a track runner jumping a hurdle 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.599 and clears a 15 foot rock face again easily six 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.119 to seven feet in height and about 15 feet in 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.639 length it took another five to six steps and 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.619 went crashing through the woods and we never 00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:12.539 saw it again i stood there in total disbelief 00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.840 and i was trying to process what the hell this 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.840 thing was i'm a no fear kind of guy and this 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.420 thing scared the living crap out of me I'm standing 00:40:20.420 --> 00:40:22.699 there completely frozen with fear, trying to 00:40:22.699 --> 00:40:24.800 make sense of what the hell just happened. I 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.480 almost lost myself with fear because I... ever 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.159 had that type of fear ever and I had to talk 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.820 myself out of it. After about two minutes of 00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:35.360 sheer confusion I snapped out of the fear factor 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.460 and I was now in adrenaline survival mode. My 00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.940 number one concern was my daughter and us getting 00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:43.159 out of there alive because this thing ran the 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.579 same way we had to walk to reach my car. Keep 00:40:45.579 --> 00:40:47.760 in mind. Yeah, that would be awkward. Yeah, this 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.260 is a busy day with people out from being cooped 00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:52.860 up all winter. Whatever this thing is violent 00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:55.000 and super strong to the point the right thing 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.760 to do is warn people of this. I'll tell you this 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.619 this thing makes a full -grown tiger look like 00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:03.599 a mouse and that is no joke My daughter was confused 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.760 about what had happened. I was very concerned 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.199 for her safety as we were slowly walking back 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.539 I actually started to call 9 -1 -1 But never 00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:12.639 did because no one would believe me and I think 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.780 I was mad out of my mind I saw a few people on 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:17.500 the way back and asked them if they had seen 00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:19.760 a big animal come down this way And they all 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.360 said no the kids said they saw it right? I can't 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.909 actually remember that She just says, let's just 00:41:26.909 --> 00:41:29.349 finish this and see, because I mean, he says 00:41:29.349 --> 00:41:31.829 that she saw it. A message for all the people 00:41:31.829 --> 00:41:33.969 out there, one thing I want to say is this, I 00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.750 have been in a lot of national parks and state 00:41:36.750 --> 00:41:39.030 forests and never once seen anything like this 00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:41.409 creature. Take everything I thought I knew about 00:41:41.409 --> 00:41:43.769 wilderness and it's right out the window to start 00:41:43.769 --> 00:41:46.849 over. I'm just gonna send this to you. You can 00:41:46.849 --> 00:41:49.949 take a look at the dude. Oh yeah. See, that one 00:41:49.949 --> 00:41:52.530 has two short of legs. He said it was mostly 00:41:52.530 --> 00:41:55.079 legs, like it was... What, six to seven feet 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.639 to the hip and then three feet of torso? There's 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.039 actually another one. Okay, that seems more right. 00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:03.280 Yeah, that's the other one. I wonder what all 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.840 the dark marks are. I don't know! He didn't really 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.480 mention it, did he? No. Hats off to Lon and all 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.739 you people who bring these cryptids to the masses. 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.500 These things are a hundred thousand million... 00:42:15.389 --> 00:42:18.030 This is just a thousand percent real and they 00:42:18.030 --> 00:42:20.710 are in your backyard not in some national parks 00:42:20.710 --> 00:42:23.590 or some extreme remote area They are very close 00:42:23.590 --> 00:42:25.969 to us. So please be mindful of your surroundings 00:42:25.969 --> 00:42:28.329 I'll never step in the woods without a firearm 00:42:28.329 --> 00:42:31.269 ever again This has changed my life and I'm on 00:42:31.269 --> 00:42:34.429 an amazing journey find serious answers and for 00:42:34.429 --> 00:42:37.530 all of you who have been Seeing crazy creatures 00:42:37.530 --> 00:42:39.949 and struggle with it. You're not alone. Welcome 00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:43.369 to the club of no return I don't like that that 00:42:43.369 --> 00:42:46.079 club is called no return Keep an open mind and 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.320 talk to good people who can help you. I mean, 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.320 there is kind of a return. You just don't talk 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.440 about it, right? That seems like the obvious 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.260 answer. Yeah, you could just bury it deep down 00:42:57.260 --> 00:42:59.619 inside and never talk about it again. Yeah, like 00:42:59.619 --> 00:43:02.500 a good normal human in this society. Yeah, but 00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:04.980 we do love to hear about these, so maybe don't 00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:07.519 keep it in. You can always tell us and then we'll 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.340 get you a cake. Yeah, and then we'll tell you 00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:12.159 better from here. The second one is supposed 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.460 to be much more enjoyable. Exactly. But alas, 00:43:16.699 --> 00:43:20.659 that is the end of the Dogman encounter episode. 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.900 Any closing thoughts? I think there is more to 00:43:23.900 --> 00:43:26.119 the Dogman community than just that. I know there's 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.860 a few people who stake their entire career in 00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:31.860 this area. So I do think this is not going to 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:35.099 be our only time going to the Dogman well. No, 00:43:35.300 --> 00:43:37.739 definitely not. And I didn't talk about anybody 00:43:37.739 --> 00:43:40.920 other than that one girl. that talks about the 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.059 beast on Bray Road. Well, and Stephen Cook, the 00:43:44.059 --> 00:43:46.320 biggest of the researchers, of course. Well, 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.139 he... He wasn't a researcher, of course. He just 00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:53.579 made an April Fool's prank. And then fixed it 00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:56.960 by researching and writing the song. He did fix 00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.500 the song, so I guess he is technically a researcher. 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.119 But yeah, while you were reading some of those 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.659 stories, I quickly went on Coast to Coast AM 00:44:04.659 --> 00:44:07.559 to see who their dogma people are. And it appears 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.519 they have a man by the name of Paul Sinclair 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.900 as their go -to guy. Oh, interesting. I haven't 00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.619 even heard of this guy, so... He does other things 00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:19.000 too, but he's talked on there about Dogman. I'm 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.480 a big fan of Dogman, kind of like him. And one 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.360 thing I don't think really came up in this episode, 00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:25.519 but I've heard before, at least when we used 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.420 to listen to Coast to Coast AM when we were much 00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:30.340 younger, is I always had Dogman associated with 00:44:30.340 --> 00:44:32.789 like graveyards for some reason. And I don't 00:44:32.789 --> 00:44:34.730 know if that's actually anything that came up. 00:44:34.909 --> 00:44:37.190 But yeah, for some reason I remember on old Coast 00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:39.170 to Coast AM episodes when they talked about it, 00:44:39.289 --> 00:44:42.070 he was associated with graveyards and smoking. 00:44:42.510 --> 00:44:45.590 See, I don't remember that. For some reason, 00:44:45.750 --> 00:44:49.329 the smoking does stand out. Yes. Graveyards? 00:44:49.489 --> 00:44:52.130 No, and it didn't come up. So I don't know. Maybe 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:55.130 there's room for a future episode of People Who 00:44:55.130 --> 00:44:59.000 Talk About Dog Man? Yeah. Perhaps. But in any 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.380 event, this is a tricky one to do your own research 00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:04.239 on because Dogman is also closely associated 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.119 with the furry and rule 34 community, so just 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.219 beware when you're doing your research on Google. 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:21.320 And on that note, I have been Taylor here with 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.199 Chelsea, we are Journey to the Fringe, thank 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:24.679 you all for listening and we'll see you next 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:31.820 week. Thank you for listening to Journey to the 00:45:31.820 --> 00:45:34.099 Fringe. If you have liked what you have listened 00:45:34.099 --> 00:45:38.280 to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.800 depending on what. venue you are listening to 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.420 us through. 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