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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join

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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome

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to Journey to the Fringe, the podcast equivalent

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of an ADHD diagnosis. We are, your easily distracted

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hosts Taylor and Chelsea, here today doing a

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Chelsea episode. I hope we can keep it on track,

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but that's okay if we don't. That's part of the

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journey. And that's why we put journey and not

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just the fringe, because sometimes we gotta walk

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and go see that really cool waterfall. We get

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there eventually, though. We get to the fringe

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eventually. Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. So,

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Taylor, today I'm left fielding you because he

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has no idea. You have. I'm talking to you. You

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have no idea what I'm doing today. Well, technically

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I'm doing both. Right now I'm just talking to

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you. You have no idea what I'm doing today. And

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I have one question for you. Is it black triangles?

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Did I just hit a time warp? Just guessing. Am

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I? I don't know. Maybe read your script quick.

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Anyhow. Ailer, if I said NPC to you. Can you

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tell me what you would envision? Video games,

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a non -player character. Yeah, so what is that?

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It's a phenomenon that gets talked about a lot

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right now in like right -wing slash conspiracy

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communities as somebody who's kind of just going

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through the motions, who doesn't really have

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their own opinions. When you're talking about

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video games, it's a character that follows a

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script. which has specific responses to prompts

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and a very strict schedule that they follow.

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Okay, so I'm not like a gaming person, so that's

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like... It's the villager that you need to talk

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to to get the next item for your quest. Okay,

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that's exactly what I was looking for. So today

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what I'm talking about is exactly what you alluded

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to, which I'm glad you're aware of it, which

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is... in the conspiracy world right now that

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NPCs the non -player characters also known as

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backdrop people okay i'm interested to see how

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this goes because in my mind when i hear people

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say that it's more so me thinking that they think

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they're the main character in the game they're

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playing Like, yeah, they're the main character

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of life and everybody else's NPCs and fall beyond

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and their brains just can't handle the same stuff

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as them. So I'm like, oh, you have weird delusions

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of how grant your life of get grandeur that you're

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living. Yeah, I have seen it come across on TikTok,

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too. And I think it's a little bit misconstrued

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from what it actually is. I didn't think I had

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a whole episode worth of information on this

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and I was going to mix it up. which is now going

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to be a future episode of just weird people.

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But this one gave me a lot more and it's not

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actually what I have been seeing on TikTok. That

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wouldn't give me a full episode. So let's kind

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of talk about what a backdrop person is. That's

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pretty much what Taylor said in the sense of

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gaming, but let's talk a little bit more in depth

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about it. So they're also known as NPCs, extras,

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fillers or non -source players. They are like

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energetic holograms created to fill and blend

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into our reality or human existence. Our bodies

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might seem real, but according to some spiritual

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teachings, they're more like empty soulless programmed

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shells made of energy rather than fully conscious

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beings. These beings look, sound, and act like

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regular people, and that's on purpose. They were

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created by you and the Sorcerer Creator to make

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this life experience feel more real and immersive.

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It's all part of the illusion, yeah. Are you

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telling us about tulpas? Good point. We're creating

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them, so like they're fabricated from our minds,

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so they're kind of a tulpa. It borderlines on

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a lot of different conspiracy theories and I

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will go more into it. Okay. This is a little

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more specific to, I think, the idea that you're

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talking about that you've been seeing on TikTok

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that, you know, all these other people are just

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playing your game. Yeah, and I do have to add

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at this point. You're the main character. Yeah.

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I do hope this ends up being an interesting conspiracy

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coming out of TikTok because I feel like the

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last couple of TikTok conspiracies we've done

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are just big conspiracies. So this one, been

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seeing it a lot on TikTok recently, but what

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I'm covering is not the actual TikTok one because

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I don't, we'll talk about it. Okay. But the point

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of this whole thing that I'm going to talk about

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as well is that this is really in a very much

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you are creating this kind of thing and it's

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also part of that simulated reality. But in reality,

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the way it actually is, is that you could also

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be an NPC. I could be an NPC. And that's the

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cool thing about it as well, where you're questioning,

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oh my God, is this me? And that'll make more

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sense as we go on through the episode. So it's

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all a part of the illusion of the Matrix designed

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to help true players grow and learn through deep,

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meaningful experiences. Backdrop people come

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into play in a universe where souls evolve, such

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as reincarnation, for example, or ascension.

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Your soul is moving through lives and experiences

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to grow and elsewhere, I guess. So is a backdrop

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character then just waiting for their soul to

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come to them to like reincarnate into them then?

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No. Okay. Because I know Just personally from

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watching video games, a lot of NPC characters

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are just added to provide atmosphere and presence.

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Is that why we just, is it to make the big cities

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feel bigger that we have all these backdrop people?

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Very good question. And it's all going to be

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answered for you. But we have a couple key players

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in this theory. So first up, we're going to take

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a look at Dolores Cannon. Do you recall or know

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of her? No. Have we talked about her? We've not

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talked about her, actually. And I'm scared to

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say this, but I like Dolores Cannon. Don't want

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to get into her background because I can't fully

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remember her whole background. Maybe we'll do

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an episode on her one day. Did her family invent

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cannons? Yes. Is that where all their money comes

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from? from? I don't know, actually. All that

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canon wealth? So she, all in all, to give you

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the coolest notes of her, the very - Oh yeah,

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she looks like a Dolores. Yeah, I know, doesn't

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she? She is a regression therapist and author

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and she has a whole bunch of books They're super

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interesting as much as you can say whether you

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believe in regression and stuff like that I've

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read her first book and it's some of the stuff

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is super hard to comprehend So she regresses

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abductees and stuff like that and the really

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cool thing about her is she was doing regression

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to find out about their abduction experiences

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and she was regressing them to a place past what

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happened to them in their abduction experience

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so basically the people who were being abducted

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the aliens were acting as kind of a conduit between

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how do you put it like what's behind the curtain

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like the universe god and quote unquote god yeah

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however you want to say it and they were just

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kind of acting in between that so the god yeah

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yeah i mean it's pretty interesting and she kind

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of talks about like the fabric of reality and

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life and stuff like that it gets pretty okay

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She's new age universe person. okay yeah so she

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introduces the concept of backdrop people in

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her book convoluted universe five that's the

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one i read the first one of it's a really thick

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book and she has is it kind of convoluted yes

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it's a very convoluted and she describes them

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as non -real entities mere energetic beings devoid

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of souls yeah that makes sense because deloris

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does not take me for a video game player no so

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anyway she was playing Grand Theft Auto. Just

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heading into the strip club and it struck her.

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She suggests that backdrop people serve to fill

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the background of our lives, akin to extras in

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a movie. She emphasizes that real people with

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souls and the capacity for evolution are the

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ones we make contracts with for the purposes

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of growth and learning. What? So contracts being

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soul groups and stuff like that. Karma, where

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you're tied into reincarnating with different

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soul groups. ever order again this is it's convoluted

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yeah there's a lot to this in a little episode

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that's not actually about Dolores it's about

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one tiny concept that she had in the fifth book

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of her series the convoluted universe again very

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convoluted so she explains that backdrop people

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are like npc players in a video game i wonder

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if she used she is playing grand theft auto she

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must be I wouldn't even know what to call that

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if I hadn't heard it here first on Journey to

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the Friend, who don't have a real purpose in

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the game aside from the main characters in our

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shared simulation. Would that not mean you're

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seeing the same people over and over again, though?

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If they're created just for the main character,

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which is you and the people around you? That's

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more I would say, because I'm not an expert on

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this. slash expert. I think that's more on simulated

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reality, because in simulated reality, you know,

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you wouldn't be the center of the universe. No,

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well, you could be. That would be one of the

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simulations. Yeah, but in this one, it's for

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the greater purpose of everyone with a soul who

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is working towards something. So they're not

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just there for one main person. There's more

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than that one person with the soul that's evolving.

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There's a lot of them. Hence. And it'll clarify

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as we go along. It'll give you more and more

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details. Does she ever get into the ratio of

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NPCs to soul characters? I don't know. Maybe.

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Okay. And I guess my other question right now

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is can you be related to an NPC? That's a very

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good question. I... Yes, probably. I'm just feeling,

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like, are souls genetic? I just don't understand

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right now, like, the difference, like, how one

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becomes one or the other. Like, again, they're

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just kind of born into it, but, like... No, I

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don't think it would be a genetic thing. I think

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it's pure... You have a good train of thought,

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though. Like, what would... Maybe it's just probability.

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I don't know, and my other concern is if we take

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it down the genetic route. that that can become

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easily a eugenics issue and problem down the

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line. Yeah, don't even think that. Yeah. Let's

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just edit that out. We don't want anybody to

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get through that. You guys just stop that right

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now. We are not going to be the start of another

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genocide. The genocides have to come from our

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genocide episodes. Okay, so I have a treat for

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you. I'm going to read an excerpt from Convoluted

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Universe 5. This is when she talks about the

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scrubs in the GTA games? Yeah, this is where

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she picks up a game controller for the first

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time. This is where we see the first idea of

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a background person come to fruition. This excerpt

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is from a regression she's doing and I'm not

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reading the whole thing. I'm coming in like a

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third of the way through this regression session

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she's doing just for the purpose of the mention

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of the background people. So here we go with

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Suzette Dolores. Dolores. You can come into the

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body with all good intentions about what you're

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supposed to do, but other things get in the way

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sometimes. Keep in mind we're coming in just

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like mid conversation. Yeah. Suzette. What was

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her name? Suzette? Suzette. It's like those people

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back at the cave. They're just people. They don't

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have a path. They're just people. I had a path.

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That child had a path. Dolores, so if you choose

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an option, you don't go off that path. Is that

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what you mean? Suzette, yes. There's just so

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many in this room where the crystals are that

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choose a life or have a path. The rest of the

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people aren't sent here on a path. Dolores, what

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are their lives for then? Suzette, it's like

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a backdrop. And then Dolores comments outside

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of this dialogue. She says, I guess this is her

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like thought. That was a strange statement. I'd

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never heard that before. Loris, what do you mean?

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Suzette, in a movie they paint something around

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the person so there's a backdrop. Loris, so the

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others don't really have purposes? Suzette, right.

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They come to live, breathe, work and die. Loris,

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is there any hope that they might find a path?

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Or are they a different kind of soul? Suzette,

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they didn't choose. They're just here to be a

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part of the backdrop. They're slaves. They're

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slaves that go from one star system to the next

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and they are used as a backdrop. Dolores, just

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to be there for these persons with the purpose.

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Suzette, yes, for you to learn, to stay on your

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path. You have these other people in your way,

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living beside you, but you're here for a lesson

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and they're here for a backdrop. Dolores, yes,

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but sometimes they create problems to try to

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pull you off your path. Yes, Suzette says. Is

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that a part of their purpose to distract you?

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Yes, Suzette says. When you're in your body,

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you don't know all these things, do you? Suzette,

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not all beings are the light source. Not all

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light beings are the light source. They're just

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here as energy to help us with our lessons, to

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create chaos or to work or just to live. Certain

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beings go to learn the lessons for the light.

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So this is Dolores just thinking out loud in

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her book again. Source, it's like you're just

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a higher being. Dolores, then the other ones,

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they don't evolve to become higher beings? Suzette,

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no, they're just energy, like making a movie

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where they use extras. Dolores, the ones on the

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path, the higher source, can they recognize each

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other out of the mass of other people? Suzette,

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yes. If we could do that, we wouldn't let things

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bother us so much, would we? Zuzette, that's

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right. Dolores, if we knew they were to add drama,

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I guess you would say. Zuzette, yes. But when

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you're looking at these options, you can see

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all different lives. So, sorry, they're there

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to add drama, so they're like the Jersey Shore

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people. Gotcha. I think they're there to shake

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things up, too. Yeah. Let's get to it when I

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finished it. But when you're looking at these

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options, you can see all the different lives

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You're going to go into you know, you're speaking

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through a human body right now. Don't you? Suzette?

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Yes. It's probably one of the options you chose

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the one we call Suzette Did you see that as an

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option before you came in? Suzette? Yes. I only

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chose options where I could save someone. Loris,

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why did you choose the life that was gonna be

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Suzette? Suzette, she will be used to surrender

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with children and higher light beings to teach.

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I won't be coming back to the crystal planet

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for a long time, so I have to teach. We have

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to get the life source higher vibration on this

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planet. She will be teaching life source children

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and animals. Dolores, the animals are important

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also? Suzette, certain animals are a higher life

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source. Dolores so like the humans many animals

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and insects are like the backdrops is that yes

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and certain ones are a higher vibration that's

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where I Know she goes on to explain her thoughts.

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So that's the end of the dialogue. I just want

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to post script here. She was regressing Suzette.

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So this came from a regression session. I should

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have started it out with that. I realized about

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halfway through, I probably should have said

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that at the beginning. But here we are. I just

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wanted to address what you said and I'm sure

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she's going to get to it as well and say it much

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more eloquently than I'm about to say, but I

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believe their role is to help the ones with souls.

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on the planet and i guess in the universe to

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evolve so they're there to distract from your

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life's purpose so that you evolve and they're

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there to throw in drama and stuff like that too

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so can they be good or bad like helping you or

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hindering you or are they strictly hindering

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you that's a good question i would assume it

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would be either because we have free will and

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chelsea just while this is on my train of thought

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this reminded me of a tim robinson's skit that

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I need you to watch for a second here. Oh good.

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Because it now makes me understand what he was

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trying to say. This is gonna be fucked up, I

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know it. Should we call the cops? Yeah, no, we

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did but it's okay because the cops said that

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like the people she hit are just kind of like

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nothing, so that's fine. What do you mean the

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people were just kind of nothing? You're just

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like not important like like they don't matter

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like Is this the stuff that you're describing?

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No, this is exactly what I was describing. No,

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they're just like nothing like they're not even

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supposed to be around in the area Bottom line

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is, no one's gonna get in trouble, nobody should

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feel sad at all. Yeah, this is exactly what I'm

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talking about. Again, don't genocide anybody,

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please. Yeah, please don't kill the NPCs. Yes.

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They should be treated just like everybody else.

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Let's go on to Dolores's inner monologue. This

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is her thinking right now. I thought the idea

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of backdrop people was interesting and certainly

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a new concept, but then I saw more in what the

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Suzette was trying to convey. I'm not sure why

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she calls her the Suzette. That could also be

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me, so I don't know, no judgment. Many times

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at my lectures people want more information about

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the separation of the old earth and the new earth

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not getting into it And those will be left behind.

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I know this concept holds. It's important for

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where we're going Yeah, you now think this concept

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holds some of the answers It said most of us

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chose to come and experience life at this time

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and came with a higher purpose to save the earth

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Unbeknownst to us, other energies were also sent

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to earth to play bit parts in our scenarios we

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have created to act in our illusion. These are

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called backdrop people who came to live, breathe,

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work and die, but have no real purpose other

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than to be extras in our play, the backdrop to

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act against. I call them slaves, but I think

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that is a rather harsh word. They are just energy

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and are taken from one star system to another

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to play their parts, rather like the extras in

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a film who spend their entire lives playing that's

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insignificant part and never getting to play

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the leading role. It reminds me of the movie

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The Truman Story where the young man spent his

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entire life inside of a created illusion where

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actors played their parts before he finally realized

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it wasn't real. The others were playing their

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parts very realistically and convincingly. They

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said these people had become angry, but I think

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they have picked up that anger from associating

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with the negativity which surrounds them. And

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this negativity has increased their anger. This

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has created all the wars and catastrophes that

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is present now on the earth. This would also

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account for the thousands of people who are killed

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in the various wars and natural catastrophes.

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They are there to provide the drama for our illusion,

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they said. Oh. But, I don't know, that doesn't

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make sense to me, though, because wouldn't you

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think that people with souls would also be a

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part of it? This is getting very, what's the

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word for it? Convoluted. Very intense and spiritually

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convoluted. Wouldn't also, in the point of having

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a soul and reincarnation, would be to go through

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experiences like natural disasters and like that

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as well, right? Yeah, that and apparently just

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being talked to by NPCs. Yeah That guy who has

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to make a funny quip because he spilled some

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gas on like your pants or something at the gas

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station. That's an NPC testing So Taken from

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one place to another to do whatever they need

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to do there because they are just energy I think

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the only way to look at this is with all emotions

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removed just like the clip you just showed me

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we wanted to experience certain events in our

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lives and these were the people hired by central

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castings to fill in the scenes. I am not saying

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this is true but it is an interesting concept

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to ponder. More mind candy, take it or leave

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it. I had to leave that in obviously. It is now

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my opinion that these are the ones who will be

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left with the old earth, the backdrop people,

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because they do not have a higher vibration or

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purpose. Teach us lessons by their mere presence

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but they are not intended to evolve further.

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These are the ones who will be left behind. The

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ones who realize their higher purpose and raise

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their vibration and frequency will travel to

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the new earth. There will be those who came in

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knowing their mission and had high ideas, but

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they let the negativity of others pull them down

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and influence them. Those will also have to stay

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with the other energy on the old earth as they

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separate. This is why it is important for us

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to realize that it is only an illusion and find

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a role in the creation of the new earth and our

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part in helping others find theirs. blah blah

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blah blah blah yeah is she describing like the

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biblical rhapsody like people being safe in the

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new world or something like is similar to what

00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.500
david wilcock describes with ascension similar

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ish kind of thought okay i mean humans always

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have to throw their own thing in if you're a

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believer of and for trade bar purposes you have

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to make a little twist yeah I mean, if you believe

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in reincarnation and stuff like that, I mean,

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the concept is there, but she has this idea of

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the New Earth and Older separating. Essentially,

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it's Ascension. I don't know, like, you pick

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up some stuff you like from some people, you

00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:42.859
put it down. I mean, it doesn't mean, you know.

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So she says this strange concept of backdrop

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people who were similar to extras in a movie

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left a lasting impression on me now when I'm

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in a crowded airport cruise ship or busy city

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and I see all the bustling people going about

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their business seemingly oblivious of each other

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I think backdrop people an interesting concept

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and one that probably has more significance than

00:24:06.809 --> 00:24:10.559
I realize now It would have normally done away

00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.980
with the Old Earth, New Earth, but she kind of

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:16.099
had some ideas mixed in with that as well. Leave

00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:18.579
that out, apparently. Yeah, I kind of wanted

00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:22.619
to, but here's just a few more points of what

00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:25.700
she describes the backdrop people as. She says

00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:28.380
that this is not actually her talking. I'm just

00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:31.099
taking a few points from her work now. So first

00:24:31.099 --> 00:24:34.859
I had conversation, then I had her internal thoughts,

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and now I have bullet points. I'm covering it

00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:40.849
all. Backdrop people are just matter. They are

00:24:40.849 --> 00:24:44.029
more than matter. They are deficient We create

00:24:44.029 --> 00:24:47.509
our reality and they yeah, those are all contradictory.

00:24:47.829 --> 00:24:53.809
I don't know They are definitely contradictory

00:24:53.809 --> 00:24:57.029
though. We create a reality and it's like she's

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almost like fighting internally with herself.

00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:02.549
And then moving forward with the next thing,

00:25:02.789 --> 00:25:05.990
disregarding what she just said. We create a

00:25:05.990 --> 00:25:08.509
reality and they're among things that are created

00:25:08.509 --> 00:25:12.210
to populate reality. Their job is to populate

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reality, not to direct it, not to change anything.

00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:18.420
They're just along for the ride. They're like

00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:21.559
the background. They're more than that, but they

00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:24.819
don't know it. They're losing contact with the

00:25:24.819 --> 00:25:27.940
deeper layers of reality. They're confined to

00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:30.799
the upper layers, finally being served from the

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layers beneath. They cannot sustain themselves

00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:37.859
in the superficial reality alone. They have lives,

00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:41.460
but they don't have lives. They don't have permanence.

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Life is life without end. They need to be redefined

00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.140
in order to exist. They need definition. They

00:25:47.140 --> 00:25:49.440
don't define themselves. They don't have the

00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.960
power to do that. They need to be defined by

00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.680
the environment. They need to be defined by their

00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.400
own perceptions. That's all they have. They have

00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.099
not the power to create, but they do have the

00:26:00.099 --> 00:26:02.900
power to sense the creation around them. Some

00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:05.539
conform to this creation. Those are the ones

00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:08.259
that do well. and the ones that don't do well

00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:13.079
are the ones that can't. Does she think autistic

00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.599
people are background characters? We don't know.

00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:20.480
We need direction. I'm not sure what to make

00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:24.539
of that thought process. That was so weird. Yeah,

00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:27.559
no, that last sentence really took a turn. They

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have families. They've been a species. Species

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.799
must continue but these bullet points are not

00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.980
helping her point at all Species must continue

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they must reproduce they must produce all kinds

00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:44.319
of organisms The job is to reproduce their job

00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.059
is to bring forth future generations and provide

00:26:47.059 --> 00:26:50.039
reality with continuity So it becomes what it

00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.880
must become and they themselves cannot make it

00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.259
what they must become. They must leave that to

00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:58.740
others People need people they cannot live alone

00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:02.440
by themselves. They need a web of interdependency

00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.880
they must support each other they need each other

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.940
we create realities with many beings not just

00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:11.119
one to experience the interdependency of the

00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.279
being but this end is shallow for one there's

00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.420
just the one there can be nothing else everything

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:23.480
is created from it so in a nutshell that is the

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:28.039
first ever mention of backdrop people and that

00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:32.069
is essentially her Thoughts on it. Yeah, obviously

00:27:32.069 --> 00:27:34.369
it evolves. She has yeah, I don't even know how

00:27:34.369 --> 00:27:38.049
many I just I find it very interesting that this

00:27:38.049 --> 00:27:41.109
originates from basically to generalize as much

00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:45.089
as possible a grandma and she did use NDC character

00:27:45.089 --> 00:27:48.230
like in a video game in the first iteration of

00:27:48.230 --> 00:27:51.509
this Yeah, but she outside of that she doesn't

00:27:51.509 --> 00:27:54.390
really seem to know what she wants it to be like

00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:57.589
she wants to be so many things The bullet points

00:27:57.589 --> 00:28:01.500
at the end did her no favors So this next guy

00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:06.059
who I have not heard about has a very interesting

00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:11.039
concept of this and his name is Greg Braden and

00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.880
he has a totally different view but super interesting

00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.680
point. It's kind of totally the opposite of hers.

00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:23.210
You'll get it in a second. He proposes that the

00:28:23.210 --> 00:28:26.789
emergence of consciousness did not eliminate

00:28:26.789 --> 00:28:30.730
the existence of Neanderthals, but instead allowed

00:28:30.730 --> 00:28:35.069
coexistence and even interbreeding. This raises

00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:38.309
the possibility that some individuals may possess

00:28:38.309 --> 00:28:42.730
a lower level of consciousness or even lack consciousness

00:28:42.730 --> 00:28:46.069
altogether. Oh, that's what you said! Is it genetic?

00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:49.619
Yeah. And that would be really interesting if

00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.880
it was linked to the Neanderthal genes. Yeah.

00:28:53.059 --> 00:28:56.559
But also, yeah, the implications. Yeah. Let's

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.779
not talk about the implications. Can we? Okay.

00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:03.720
Yeah. Everybody listening now has to make a promise

00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:09.599
not to genocide the NPCs. And by continuing to

00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.460
listen, we understand that to be an agree to

00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:15.500
prom promise. Yeah. That's a contract you just

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:21.789
signed mentally right now. Various historical

00:29:21.789 --> 00:29:24.650
and cultural references, such as the need of

00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:27.430
American concept of the gift of the feather,

00:29:27.750 --> 00:29:30.309
also allude to the existence of individuals without

00:29:30.309 --> 00:29:34.410
consciousness. So, very cool as well. That one's

00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:37.089
just a little blurb, but I think in comparison

00:29:37.089 --> 00:29:40.269
to what Dolores Cannon was saying, that's pretty

00:29:40.269 --> 00:29:45.410
cool as a contrast to it, I think, too. It would

00:29:45.410 --> 00:29:48.009
be an interesting idea that only homo sapiens

00:29:48.009 --> 00:29:51.029
have souls, basically, but I don't like the idea

00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:54.690
of dogs not having souls. Basically, the Neanderthals

00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:58.829
are not capable of having souls. That's just

00:29:58.829 --> 00:30:02.509
how they're genetically predisposed, soulless.

00:30:02.509 --> 00:30:05.250
Who would have thought? I think I remember David

00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:07.170
Attenborough saying it in one of his documentaries.

00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:12.500
So I'm just going to summarize for you here a

00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:15.339
little characteristic list of backdrop people.

00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.680
Number one, limited depth of consciousness. Backdrop

00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.240
people often exhibit a shallower level of self

00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.519
-awareness and consciousness compared to more

00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.220
evolved souls. Our interactions may lack the

00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:31.200
depth and introspection that we seek in relationships.

00:30:31.660 --> 00:30:35.089
Number two, transient nature. These individuals

00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:38.490
come and go, entering and exiting our lives without

00:30:38.490 --> 00:30:41.549
leaving a lasting imprint. They are the acquaintances,

00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:44.849
co -workers or passerbys who briefly cross our

00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:47.650
paths but do not have significant impact on our

00:30:47.650 --> 00:30:52.000
personal journeys. 3. Catalysts for Growth Backdrop

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.900
people serve as a catalyst for our personal growth

00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.779
and self -reflection. They create scenarios and

00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:00.740
provide the backdrop against which we navigate

00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:03.460
challenges, learn important lessons and gain

00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:06.799
insights about ourselves. Number four, mirror

00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.420
reflections. While backdrop people may lack complexity

00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:14.279
themselves, they often act as mirrors, reflecting

00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.180
aspects of our own personalities and unresolved

00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:20.200
issues. Interactions with them can illuminate

00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.140
our own strengths, weaknesses, and areas for

00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:27.400
growth. So the impact of backdrop people in a

00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.740
main character's life would be teaching lessons

00:31:30.740 --> 00:31:34.690
and boundaries. Backdrop people teach the importance

00:31:34.690 --> 00:31:37.690
of establishing healthy boundaries in our relationships.

00:31:38.009 --> 00:31:40.910
Their transient nature or limited depth remind

00:31:40.910 --> 00:31:43.730
us that not every connection needs to be deep

00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:47.089
or long lasting and that it's essential to discern

00:31:47.089 --> 00:31:50.130
where to invest our time and energy. Number two.

00:31:50.230 --> 00:31:53.670
In the soul people, apparently. Yeah, into the

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:58.230
soul people. Fuck, this is all really gives a

00:31:58.230 --> 00:32:00.750
really bad connotation when you think about it.

00:32:00.930 --> 00:32:04.500
Number two. appreciation for depth. The presence

00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:07.319
of backdrop people can heighten our appreciation

00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.019
for relationships that possess depth and meaning.

00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.559
Through their contrasting nature we recognize

00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.059
the value of connections that foster emotional

00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:17.940
intimacy, intellectual stimulation, and personal

00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:20.799
growth. Number three, letting go and detachment.

00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.519
Actrop people teach us the art of letting go

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.380
and practicing detachment from those without

00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:29.279
souls. They remind us that not all connections

00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.420
are meant to be long -term or deeply impactful,

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:47.140
encouraging us to release expectations and embrace

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:50.339
the impermanence of certain relationships. and

00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:53.759
that's the end of those points so the interesting

00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.099
thing to me in reading this what do you call

00:32:57.099 --> 00:33:00.440
the the main character player character i don't

00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.660
know what what else would you call them but they

00:33:02.660 --> 00:33:07.079
never actually referred to in here the soul character

00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.680
the player character seems right here no it's

00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.839
because you just take the non out and it becomes

00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.339
the player character okay no that makes sense

00:33:16.339 --> 00:33:21.460
the thing with it here is a player character

00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:26.539
is the one making impacts. They're the one making

00:33:26.539 --> 00:33:30.859
change, doing things, doing people, someone that

00:33:30.859 --> 00:33:34.119
is affecting many people's lives all around them.

00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.299
You know what I mean? They're making an impact.

00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.740
They're actually going along and doing change.

00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:44.599
The funny thing about background people is that

00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.640
anybody could be a background person because

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.369
they have families. They live their lives. Yeah,

00:33:51.369 --> 00:33:54.869
exactly. How do you know? How do I know if somebody

00:33:54.869 --> 00:33:57.890
just disagrees with you? You can say oh, that's

00:33:57.890 --> 00:34:00.589
a catalyst who's trying to make me grow and clearly

00:34:00.589 --> 00:34:03.630
doesn't have a soul. Yeah. So that to me was

00:34:03.630 --> 00:34:06.829
the most impactful when I did this episode and

00:34:06.829 --> 00:34:08.869
did the notes because I was like, how do I know

00:34:08.869 --> 00:34:13.110
that I'm not one because I also fit the definition

00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:15.949
of backdrop people because you know, I'm just

00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:19.340
you are definitely a cat. Yeah. I have my family,

00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:21.900
I get my groceries, you know, I just follow the

00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:24.940
motions in things. You just wait for people to

00:34:24.940 --> 00:34:29.099
direct you. Exactly. But like, how do you discern

00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:32.960
yourself from that? And so I guess in this, they're

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.619
kind of saying, you know, I don't really know

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:38.539
after reading all of that. Their soul is evolving

00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:41.280
and going through trials and tribulations and

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.860
making an impact on the world around us. See,

00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:46.159
that was more eloquent than what I was just saying.

00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:50.110
I don't... that I'm doing that, so I am strongly

00:34:50.110 --> 00:34:54.449
suspicious that I am an NPC. I don't know, but

00:34:54.449 --> 00:34:57.170
so that's what I was left with by the end of

00:34:57.170 --> 00:35:00.349
this, a pondering whether or not I'm an NPC.

00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:04.849
And like, anybody could be an NPC, like consciousness

00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:07.769
does not necessarily dictate the soul, right?

00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:10.449
Like, we kind of think it does, but it doesn't

00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:13.739
in any way, so it can be anybody. Which also

00:35:13.739 --> 00:35:16.900
leads to simulation theory, which also leads

00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:19.920
to, you know, am I the only one that actually

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.360
has a soul? Are all of you just background people

00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:27.239
to me? We don't know the answer to that. Best

00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.099
not to kill them all, though. Yeah, best not.

00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:32.239
I settled on that a lot. That's just a lot of

00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.650
work. That's so much work. So, yeah, I think

00:35:36.650 --> 00:35:39.469
there's a lot of implications to background people.

00:35:39.849 --> 00:35:41.969
This is not the kind of seat you're going to

00:35:41.969 --> 00:35:45.110
see on those TikTok theories. The one I kind

00:35:45.110 --> 00:35:48.190
of like that TikTok has that kind of has the

00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:51.730
proof of seeing NPCs is the fact, or is that

00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:54.610
simulated reality? It's one of them. And it's

00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:56.789
have you ever seen your neighbors bring groceries

00:35:56.789 --> 00:36:00.210
inside? And that's kind of the point of background

00:36:00.210 --> 00:36:01.309
people. It's the implications that they don't

00:36:01.309 --> 00:36:03.489
eat because they're background people. Yeah,

00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:06.909
exactly. So I've seen that going around TikTok.

00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:09.949
I haven't really seen all of this stuff on TikTok.

00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:14.710
I haven't spied hard on my neighbors enough to

00:36:14.710 --> 00:36:17.650
really care about their day -to -day lives like

00:36:17.650 --> 00:36:20.000
that. Oh no, am I an NPC character because I'm

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.219
too freaking busy to notice my neighbors? Exactly,

00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.340
and the loop just goes on forever. Also, just

00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:28.780
an interesting question I have now for us to

00:36:28.780 --> 00:36:32.400
ponder. Are introverts inherently people with

00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.460
souls because they're not having an impact on

00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.460
other people's lives? Yeah. Are we supposed to

00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:41.320
ponder that long? Yeah, I was hoping, but that's

00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.949
fine. Because like introverts are catalysts to

00:36:44.949 --> 00:36:46.809
guide you in different directions. They're trying

00:36:46.809 --> 00:36:48.949
to avoid you as much as possible There we go.

00:36:48.949 --> 00:36:51.550
You just proved the whole theory wrong. Yeah.

00:36:52.150 --> 00:36:56.130
Oh You just undid all my work Yeah, anyhow, I've

00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:58.690
always thought this one was interesting. Maybe

00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:01.570
we'll do a Dolores Cannon one I don't know. She's

00:37:01.570 --> 00:37:03.570
she's done a lot of work and that seems a little

00:37:03.570 --> 00:37:08.730
convoluted It's more than a little it should

00:37:08.730 --> 00:37:15.849
be very And they're so thick too. I saw there's

00:37:15.849 --> 00:37:18.329
a lot of them as well. There is a lot of them

00:37:18.329 --> 00:37:21.909
I think she also talks about Indigo children

00:37:21.909 --> 00:37:24.489
and stuff like that. Oh, we need to do an indigo

00:37:24.489 --> 00:37:28.210
children thing at some point Yeah, the concept

00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:31.530
that she talks about is an interesting concept

00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:35.590
as I also would compare to how I feel about Project

00:37:35.590 --> 00:37:41.679
Serpo It's fun to listen to, yes, and talk about

00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.199
the implications. It's a fun brain exercise to

00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.500
think about all the options of everything it

00:37:47.500 --> 00:37:49.619
could be. And with that, I have been Taylor,

00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:51.579
here for Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.

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