WEBVTT 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.599 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:16.239 us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.420 to Journey to the Fringe, where you learn all 00:00:18.420 --> 00:00:21.199 sorts of niche -ly important info, like Chelsea, 00:00:21.420 --> 00:00:23.699 this probably will never come up in an episode 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:26.719 outside of me stating it now, but if you're ever 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:30.839 up against a sentient robot, Don't aim for the 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.060 parts that would be important to a human. The 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:35.880 first thing that any sensible robot's gonna do, 00:00:36.259 --> 00:00:38.340 it's going to move its most important parts to 00:00:38.340 --> 00:00:40.979 its general area or its feet, because we will 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:43.560 never attack it there. So just like - Okay, that 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.939 makes sense. I don't - It's niche -ly important 00:00:45.939 --> 00:00:48.939 information if it ever comes up. Like, are their 00:00:48.939 --> 00:00:51.399 parts movable like that, do you think? Well, 00:00:51.500 --> 00:00:53.939 no, they would build them that way. They wouldn't 00:00:53.939 --> 00:00:55.759 just, like, let them move. It would be like, 00:00:55.859 --> 00:00:57.780 no, the most important part of the robot's gonna 00:00:57.780 --> 00:01:00.579 be the feet. because nobody's ever going to attack 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:04.140 the feet nobody unless they're misfiring yeah 00:01:04.140 --> 00:01:06.060 or they know about it but in any event they're 00:01:06.060 --> 00:01:07.480 going to have a severe advantage at that point 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:09.180 so you should know about it donate them at the 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:11.420 robot's head aim at the feet and the genitals 00:01:11.420 --> 00:01:14.900 anyhow yeah enough about that this is a chelsea 00:01:14.900 --> 00:01:17.079 episode which might have something to do with 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.560 it i doubt it though we are your podcast host 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.760 taylor and chelsea here today to talk about something 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.459 that was not that because again just overall 00:01:26.459 --> 00:01:30.239 information everywhere I'm hoping that's actually 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.239 because I don't I don't think we can I don't 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.299 think we can talk for more than that amount of 00:01:34.299 --> 00:01:36.219 time on this topic because it's just sensible 00:01:36.219 --> 00:01:40.340 there's no arguing and that's giving Journey 00:01:40.340 --> 00:01:42.900 to the Fringe listeners a distinct advantage 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:50.099 should be a robot war and Anyhow, have you ever 00:01:50.099 --> 00:01:53.400 heard of an extraterrestrial commander named 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:58.239 Ashtar Sharan leading a galactic fleet to save 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:02.519 humanity from itself? Today, we're diving into 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.939 the fascinating and controversial world of the 00:02:05.939 --> 00:02:10.069 Ashtar Space Command. I weirdly think I have 00:02:10.069 --> 00:02:13.229 heard about this and I think it's YouTube videos 00:02:13.229 --> 00:02:15.650 where they have like a very clearly like fake 00:02:15.650 --> 00:02:20.090 voice retalking as the Ashtar command. I can't 00:02:20.090 --> 00:02:22.949 remember anything about it. I can't remember 00:02:22.949 --> 00:02:25.289 any specifics about it but I can like picture 00:02:25.289 --> 00:02:28.409 the voice in my head from it. I know exactly 00:02:28.409 --> 00:02:30.090 what you're thinking of and you're gonna figure 00:02:30.090 --> 00:02:32.389 out where that voice came from. You didn't just 00:02:32.389 --> 00:02:36.610 channel it. Okay. Well I'm excited to learn more. 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:42.620 Yeah, it's a movement that blends UFO lore, spiritualism, 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:47.219 and an apocalyptic prophecy or favorite. Whether 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:51.060 you're a skeptic, a believer, or just curious 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:54.500 about the strange corners of human belief, this 00:02:54.500 --> 00:02:58.780 is your episode and Also, we talk about shooting 00:02:58.780 --> 00:03:02.020 a robot in the feet, so there's that. Yeah, Chelsea, 00:03:02.539 --> 00:03:05.520 have they been implicated in the assassination 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.259 of Hammerskilled by chance? Is that going to 00:03:08.259 --> 00:03:11.000 come up? Now that you mention it, they cut it 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.860 out because I didn't want it to impede on the 00:03:13.860 --> 00:03:16.800 previous episode, but they do. OK, that's fair. 00:03:17.020 --> 00:03:20.400 They didn't want to turn over their record. That 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:24.419 makes sense. You want to appear powerful. They 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:28.080 did, yeah. So I actually didn't know that Ashtar 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:32.159 had a last name, Shiran, and we're going to talk 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.199 about the origins of the Ashtar Space Command, 00:03:36.500 --> 00:03:41.360 who Ashtar is, and why this movement has captivated 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:44.280 so many people while also raising the eyebrows. 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.599 So we're going to start at the beginning. The 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:52.039 story of Ashtar begins in the early 1950s during 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.180 the golden age of UFO sightings and contactee 00:03:55.180 --> 00:03:58.580 stories. At the center of it all was a man named 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:02.860 George Van Tassel. He's a real human. A former 00:04:02.860 --> 00:04:05.699 aircraft mechanic who became one of the most 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:08.300 famous. I just wanted to make sure you know we've 00:04:08.300 --> 00:04:10.879 been talking about a lot of Belgian names in 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.680 the 50s. George Van Tassel, he's a former aircraft 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.000 mechanic who became one of the most famous UFO 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.319 contactees of his time, even though we haven't 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.660 heard of him. Have you heard of him? Never heard 00:04:24.660 --> 00:04:28.660 of him. Maybe he's famous to other people. Maybe 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:32.699 he's European famous. Van Tassel claimed that 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:37.699 in 1952, he began receiving telepathic messages 00:04:37.699 --> 00:04:41.639 from an extraterrestrial being named Ashtar Sharan. 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.920 According to Van Tassel, Ashtar was the commander 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.459 of a vast galactic fleet known as the Ashtar 00:04:48.459 --> 00:04:52.620 Galactic Command. Their mission? To prevent humanity 00:04:52.620 --> 00:04:55.639 from destroying itself, specifically through 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.459 the misuse of nuclear weapons. Chelsea, I just 00:04:58.459 --> 00:05:01.040 need a clarification on the wording there. They're 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.899 stopping us from the misuse of - weapons or they're 00:05:04.899 --> 00:05:08.459 going to stop us through their misuse of weapons. 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.439 Good point. So far, I think that it's our misuse 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:14.560 of nuclear weapons. OK, because it could have 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.160 been interpreted either way with how you said 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.160 it there. It could have been. Yeah, it could 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.399 have been. It could be. It has been. It was conveyed 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.980 in the superior German, I'm sure. Originally. 00:05:25.579 --> 00:05:28.959 Van Tassel's messages from Ashtar were urgent 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.800 and apocalyptic. In one of the earliest communications, 00:05:33.220 --> 00:05:35.800 Ashtar warned that the detonation of the hydrogen 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.319 bomb could lead to the destruction of Earth. 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:40.920 He claimed that his fleet had entered the solar 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:44.310 system to intervene and protect humanity. It 00:05:44.310 --> 00:05:48.649 was claimed that on July 18, 1952, Ashtar entered 00:05:48.649 --> 00:05:51.589 the solar system as commander -in -chief of the 00:05:51.589 --> 00:05:54.810 Ashtar Galactic Command to warn humanity of the 00:05:54.810 --> 00:05:57.629 dangers of detonating the age bomb, including 00:05:57.629 --> 00:06:00.800 the destruction of the planet. The messages stated 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.240 the space command was determined that humans 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.839 would not destroy the earth through the wrong 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.600 use of nuclear power and that the command was 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.980 helping the human race. Van Tassel also claimed 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:15.180 that Ashtar had provided specific messages that 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:18.139 he was expected to pass on to the US federal 00:06:18.139 --> 00:06:21.079 government regarding the potential negative impacts 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:24.600 of the proposed upcoming bomb tests. After the 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.839 actual explosion of the H -bomb by the US and 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.459 Russian governments, the channeling claimed that 00:06:30.459 --> 00:06:33.500 the space forces had assisted the planet to survive 00:06:33.500 --> 00:06:39.279 the bomb tests. So who or what was Ashtar? Descriptions 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:43.199 of Ashtar often depict him as a humanoid with 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.839 blonde hair and European features, fitting into 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.620 the broader category of Nordic aliens that appear 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:52.120 in the UFO lore. Wait, sorry, I thought he was 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:56.519 channeled. Was he not? So he is this Galactic 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.699 Command. We're going to talk more about it. He's 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:03.860 channeled, but he seems to be a real dude. No 00:07:03.860 --> 00:07:07.740 one's actually had an actual physical encounter 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:10.899 with him, I think. Yeah, and we're gonna get 00:07:10.899 --> 00:07:14.319 more into it, but I don't think there's any actual 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.100 face -to -face encounters with him. Okay. I just 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:18.740 want to make sure, so this is all based on him 00:07:18.740 --> 00:07:21.639 telling people what he looks like, then, correct? 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.639 Or does he - Yes. Okay. From what I believe. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.480 Let's just read it and see if we're led to believe 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.139 anything else, but I think that's my idea of 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:34.040 him. I've never heard of an alien race that is, 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.740 like, African -like. Why are they always, like, 00:07:36.740 --> 00:07:38.660 if they're humanoid, their blue eyes, blonde 00:07:38.660 --> 00:07:41.620 hair? Because a lot of the stuff comes from like 00:07:41.620 --> 00:07:45.579 the 50s and 60s and is probably racist. Yeah, 00:07:45.579 --> 00:07:47.779 I think it was very nice of you to say probably. 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.779 So European features fitting into the broader 00:07:52.779 --> 00:07:55.699 category of Nordic aliens that appear in UFO 00:07:55.699 --> 00:07:59.240 lore. These beings are often described as benevolent, 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:03.000 highly advanced, and deeply concerned with humanity's 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.009 spiritual and technological evolution. Van Tassel's 00:08:07.009 --> 00:08:10.569 claims gained traction quickly, especially after 00:08:10.569 --> 00:08:13.550 he founded the Ministry of Universal Wisdom and 00:08:13.550 --> 00:08:16.990 began hosting weekly channeling sessions at Giant 00:08:16.990 --> 00:08:20.029 Rock, a massive boulder in the Mojave Desert 00:08:20.029 --> 00:08:23.310 that became a hub for UFO enthusiasts. These 00:08:23.310 --> 00:08:26.310 gatherings eventually grew into the annual Giant 00:08:26.310 --> 00:08:30.009 Rock Spacecraft Convention, which drew thousands 00:08:30.009 --> 00:08:34.220 of people in the 1950s and 1960s. But Van Tassel 00:08:34.220 --> 00:08:37.460 wasn't the only one claiming contact with Ashtar. 00:08:37.820 --> 00:08:40.740 Soon, dozens of other channelers began receiving 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:43.740 messages from the Galactic Commander, each with 00:08:43.740 --> 00:08:46.379 their own interpretations and prophecies. This 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:50.720 led to a fascinating and sometimes chaotic evolution 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:55.740 of the Ashtar mythos. These messages often emphasize 00:08:55.740 --> 00:08:58.460 themes of peace, love, and spiritual awakening. 00:08:58.789 --> 00:09:01.730 They also sometimes include warnings about the 00:09:01.730 --> 00:09:05.309 consequences of humanity's actions such as environmental 00:09:05.309 --> 00:09:07.490 destruction or warfare that we've brought up 00:09:07.490 --> 00:09:09.490 quite a few times at this point. So Chelsea, 00:09:09.649 --> 00:09:11.629 when he's channeled is it always at Standing 00:09:11.629 --> 00:09:15.509 Rock for a long time? No. Okay. This is kind 00:09:15.509 --> 00:09:19.169 of where it starts. Okay, so I'm gonna move on 00:09:19.169 --> 00:09:22.850 from here to the Ashtar command and through these 00:09:22.850 --> 00:09:25.710 channeling sessions We learn about the Ashtar 00:09:25.710 --> 00:09:29.889 command Robert Short aka Bill Rose was editor 00:09:29.889 --> 00:09:33.870 of the 1950s UFO magazine called the Interplanetary 00:09:33.870 --> 00:09:37.230 News Digest and was a member of Van Tassel's 00:09:37.230 --> 00:09:40.690 group channeling at Big Rock, the ending rock? 00:09:40.750 --> 00:09:43.789 Whatever rock, yeah. I might as well rock. Giant 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:49.639 rock. and he began to popularize the messages 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.779 through this publication, but as Van Tassel did 00:09:52.779 --> 00:09:56.120 not agree that other Ashtar messages were authentic, 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.720 Short broke away and began his own group called 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.590 the Ashtar Command. By the mid -1950s, we learn 00:10:02.590 --> 00:10:06.710 of this concept of a collective of advanced extraterrestrial 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:09.730 beings who are dedicated to guiding and protecting 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:13.409 Earth and its inhabitants. A galactic law enforcement 00:10:13.409 --> 00:10:17.610 agency. Yes, it goes beyond the Earth that we 00:10:17.610 --> 00:10:20.470 would have organizations with this. They're galactic. 00:10:20.590 --> 00:10:24.370 Of course, the same system would continue on 00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:27.309 outside of Earth. That's fair. It's a Galactic 00:10:27.309 --> 00:10:29.710 UN, then. I'm glad we just finished up with that 00:10:29.710 --> 00:10:33.750 UN episode, then. It is, essentially. Ashtar 00:10:33.750 --> 00:10:36.769 is said to refer to a being who serves as the 00:10:36.769 --> 00:10:40.250 commander of Ashtar Space Command, named after 00:10:40.250 --> 00:10:43.750 Ashtar. Very important person. And it's the leader 00:10:43.750 --> 00:10:45.909 within the group, hence the Ashtar Space Command, 00:10:46.149 --> 00:10:48.009 obviously. I can't think they're that peaceful 00:10:48.009 --> 00:10:50.450 if they're named after their leader, which in 00:10:50.450 --> 00:10:53.269 my mind connotes a dictatorship. Doesn't it? 00:10:53.470 --> 00:10:56.269 The Ashtar command is often depicted as having 00:10:56.269 --> 00:10:59.649 a vast fleet of spacecraft, including motherships 00:10:59.649 --> 00:11:02.230 and smaller scout ships. These vessels are said 00:11:02.230 --> 00:11:04.690 to be stationed around Earth and other parts 00:11:04.690 --> 00:11:07.879 of the solar system. Their mission? is often 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.460 described as having to assist humanity in its 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:14.179 spiritual evolution and prevent catastrophic 00:11:14.179 --> 00:11:17.759 events such as nuclear war or environmental collapse 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.299 not doing a good job of it right now they are 00:11:20.299 --> 00:11:22.679 said to be working behind the scenes to help 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.159 humanity transition to a higher state of consciousness 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.480 yeah they're doing a real shitty job since the 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:32.440 50s oh yeah so shitty we're gonna talk now about 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.440 the evolution of the Ashtar movement and like 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.779 where it's going from here. As the Ashtar movement 00:11:39.779 --> 00:11:44.080 grew it began to shift from a focus on extraterrestrial 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:47.580 intervention to a more spiritual and religious 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:50.639 framework. This transformation was influenced 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.919 by earlier esoteric traditions like theosophy 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:57.340 and the I Am movement which taught about ascended 00:11:57.340 --> 00:12:00.679 masters enlightened beings who guide humanity's 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.769 spiritual evolution. We've talked about Theosophy 00:12:03.769 --> 00:12:08.820 with Madame Blavatsky. HPB. In this new context, 00:12:09.179 --> 00:12:12.100 Ashtar Sharan became less of a space commander 00:12:12.100 --> 00:12:15.480 and more of an ascended master, a divine figure 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.740 offering wisdom and guidance to humanity. The 00:12:18.740 --> 00:12:21.840 Ashtar command was no longer just a fleet of 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:25.000 spaceships, it was a cosmic force working to 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.960 elevate human consciousness. And I'm finding 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.879 it really funny the evolution of where this is 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.539 going because it's kind of going with whatever 00:12:33.539 --> 00:12:37.429 is kind of popular at the time. It went from 00:12:37.429 --> 00:12:40.929 like the nut and bolt UFO. Now it's becoming 00:12:40.929 --> 00:12:44.649 like a spiritual type of movement kind of evolving 00:12:44.649 --> 00:12:47.230 with it. Well, Ashtar, I guess, has to do that. 00:12:47.289 --> 00:12:49.470 By the way, does he mention how long he's going 00:12:49.470 --> 00:12:52.490 to live? Forever, probably. OK. He's an immortal 00:12:52.490 --> 00:12:54.690 dictator. Gotcha. You know, I didn't actually 00:12:54.690 --> 00:12:58.110 read any of the channels. OK. But it's been a 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:01.470 good thing to put in here. But here we are recording. 00:13:01.850 --> 00:13:04.769 So, not everything went smoothly. The movement 00:13:04.769 --> 00:13:07.809 was plagued by failed prophecies, for example. 00:13:08.009 --> 00:13:11.629 In the 1980s, a channeler named Yvonne Cole predicted 00:13:11.629 --> 00:13:13.850 that Earth's civilizations would be destroyed 00:13:13.850 --> 00:13:17.370 in 1994, followed by the arrival of alien creatures. 00:13:17.570 --> 00:13:20.389 When this didn't happen, it dealt a blow to the 00:13:20.389 --> 00:13:23.750 movement's credibility. Similarly, early predictions 00:13:23.750 --> 00:13:26.769 about flourishing civilizations on other planets 00:13:26.769 --> 00:13:30.149 and imminent UFO landings also failed to materialize. 00:13:30.289 --> 00:13:33.269 These setbacks forced the Ashtar Command to adapt. 00:13:33.409 --> 00:13:36.909 By the 1990s, the focus had shifted away from 00:13:36.909 --> 00:13:39.649 physical UFOs and towards spiritual ascension. 00:13:39.929 --> 00:13:42.950 The idea of being beamed up to a spaceship was 00:13:42.950 --> 00:13:46.250 replaced by meditative practices aimed at raising 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:49.330 one's vibrational frequency. One of the most 00:13:49.330 --> 00:13:51.950 intriguing developments during this time was 00:13:51.950 --> 00:13:56.600 the Pioneer Voyage meditations in 1994. And that's 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.019 where followers claim that their consciousness 00:13:59.019 --> 00:14:02.240 was transported to the ships of light. Oh no, 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.440 I know where this is going. Where they experienced 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.960 profound spiritual transformations. While these 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.899 experiences were purely subjective, they helped 00:14:11.899 --> 00:14:14.740 to keep the movement alive during a time of skepticism 00:14:14.740 --> 00:14:19.720 and doubt. This is purely a meditative thing 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:24.399 that lasted a couple minutes and people relayed 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.759 experiences where they were on board the ship 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.080 getting tours and doing different things for 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.740 hours. Oh, okay good. I was worried it was that 00:14:31.740 --> 00:14:34.519 cult around the comet in the mid -90s. They all 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.559 committed suicide. I forget what it's called. 00:14:37.340 --> 00:14:39.659 that would make a good episode yeah they still 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:41.860 have a website it's really weird that's a great 00:14:41.860 --> 00:14:44.600 segue to my next segment which is the cultural 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:48.100 and religious impact of the ashtar command Despite 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:52.100 its controversies, the Ashtar command had a significant 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:55.360 cultural and religious impact. It's often cited 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.460 as one of the most prominent examples of a UFO 00:14:58.460 --> 00:15:02.019 religion, a belief system that combines extraterrestrial 00:15:02.019 --> 00:15:04.620 contact with spiritual teachings. One of the 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:08.379 most fascinating examples of this is the Czech 00:15:08.379 --> 00:15:11.480 group known as the Universe People. They venerate 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.440 Ashtar Sharan alongside figures like Jesus and 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.820 Krishna. blending UFO mythology with traditional 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:21.120 religious iconography. Their website even uses 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.919 the domain name Ashtar Sharan, highlighting the 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.120 central role Ashtar plays in their beliefs. The 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.200 Ashtar Command has also made its mark on popular 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:34.620 culture. In 1977, a mysterious voice claiming 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:38.120 to be Vrillon of the Ashtar Galactic Command 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.980 interrupted a television broadcast in southern 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:44.019 England. The voice delivered a message of peace 00:15:44.019 --> 00:15:46.720 and warned humanity to change its ways. While 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.320 it was later revealed to be a hoax, the incident 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.980 captured the public's imagination and remains 00:15:51.980 --> 00:15:55.799 a memorable moment in UFO lore. Even if you can't 00:15:55.799 --> 00:16:00.059 exactly remember where you heard it. Okay. But 00:16:00.059 --> 00:16:02.179 you actually did, Taylor. I knew it. This is 00:16:02.179 --> 00:16:05.740 what you're thinking. Yeah. Yeah. You can hear 00:16:05.740 --> 00:16:17.129 the voice, right? I'm surprised to hear your 00:16:17.129 --> 00:16:27.529 voice to be frank. Academics have studied the 00:16:27.529 --> 00:16:30.909 Aztar command as a modern mythology or even a 00:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.710 cargo cult. I don't even know what that is. Oh, 00:16:33.830 --> 00:16:36.649 here it is. A belief system. Go ahead. You got 00:16:36.649 --> 00:16:39.490 the answer there. It's just basically when the 00:16:39.490 --> 00:16:42.809 U .S. was dropping food supplies off on the islands 00:16:42.809 --> 00:16:45.929 in the South Pacific during World War II, they 00:16:45.929 --> 00:16:48.110 began being worshipped by the locals as gods 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:51.149 because they were just dropping sustenance from 00:16:51.149 --> 00:16:55.090 the sky. Cargo. The food they were dropping. 00:16:55.230 --> 00:16:58.070 Cargo cult. A cult of the dropped food. Yeah. 00:16:58.409 --> 00:17:01.190 Okay, that makes sense. A belief system that 00:17:01.190 --> 00:17:03.649 blends spiritual ascension with the promise of 00:17:03.649 --> 00:17:06.690 advanced alien technology. Some scholars argue 00:17:06.690 --> 00:17:09.349 that the movement reflects humanity's hopes and 00:17:09.349 --> 00:17:12.210 fears in an age of rapid technological change 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:15.430 and environmental uncertainty. Let's talk about 00:17:15.430 --> 00:17:19.359 debates and controversies. Of course, the Ashtar 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.099 command isn't without its critics. Skeptics point 00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:26.160 to the lack of physical evidence for Ashtar or 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.200 his galactic fleet. They argue that the movement's 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.000 reliance on channel messages makes it vulnerable 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.460 to fraud and manipulation. I thought that would 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:37.440 just give it strength. Yeah, hard to believe, 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.980 right? And it's here that we learn about how 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:43.200 they won't release their documents regarding 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:43.779 the incident and assassination. But to be fair, 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:46.599 has anyone asked them for them? to do with the 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:52.799 Congo. OK, OK. People have they won't release 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.819 them. They said they have some stuff, but it's 00:17:56.819 --> 00:18:00.119 probably not them. conflicting messages from 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.940 different channelers have also raised questions 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:05.799 about the movement's credibility with no central 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.859 authority to verify the authenticity of these 00:18:08.859 --> 00:18:11.339 communications it's hard to separate genuine 00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:14.319 insights from wishful thinking or even deliberate 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.539 deception which is worded very nicely yeah yeah 00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:22.359 there's there's that for sure and then there 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.549 are the failed prophecies Failed or just haven't 00:18:25.549 --> 00:18:29.049 happened yet? Probably. From the 1952 warning 00:18:29.049 --> 00:18:32.509 about the hydrogen bomb to the 1994 prediction 00:18:32.509 --> 00:18:35.930 of an alien apocalypse, the Ashtar Command's 00:18:35.930 --> 00:18:39.230 track record hasn't been great. These failures 00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:41.890 have forced the movement to adapt, shifting its 00:18:41.890 --> 00:18:44.970 focus from physical UFOs to spiritual ascension. 00:18:45.910 --> 00:18:51.029 And it perseveres, you see. Moving. It's goalpost. 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.160 But despite these challenges, the Ashtar Command 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.319 continues to attract followers. For many, the 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.559 movement offers a sense of hope and purpose in 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.140 a chaotic world. Whether or not you believe in 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:07.380 Ashtar Sharan, there's no denying the power of 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:10.920 his story. What are we to make of the Ashtar 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.779 Space Command and its enigmatic leader, Ashtar 00:19:14.779 --> 00:19:18.099 Sharan? Is he a real extraterrestrial being, 00:19:18.380 --> 00:19:21.299 a modern myth, or a reflection of humanity's 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:23.799 deepest hopes and fears? You know, there's a 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.559 little of that in all of us. Reflecting that 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:31.339 in what we believe. The truth is we may never 00:19:31.339 --> 00:19:35.170 know for sure about Ashtar. But what we can say 00:19:35.170 --> 00:19:38.349 is that the Ashtar Command represents a fascinating 00:19:38.349 --> 00:19:41.250 intersection of science fiction, spirituality, 00:19:41.630 --> 00:19:44.789 and human imagination. And it's a reminder that 00:19:44.789 --> 00:19:47.410 in our search for meaning, we're often drawn 00:19:47.410 --> 00:19:50.230 to stories that transcend the ordinary and port 00:19:50.230 --> 00:19:52.549 towards something greater. This reminds me a 00:19:52.549 --> 00:19:54.809 lot of Patah, but it seems like there's more 00:19:54.809 --> 00:19:57.410 than one person at least at the top, which makes 00:19:57.410 --> 00:20:01.730 it less culty. Well... Spoiler alert we're going 00:20:01.730 --> 00:20:06.109 to look in the future at Nordic beings and Ptah 00:20:06.109 --> 00:20:12.130 is a part of that general Yeah Species is that 00:20:12.130 --> 00:20:15.269 what we call alien race? He's included in that 00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:17.690 Species because yeah race would imply they're 00:20:17.690 --> 00:20:21.210 all together, right? He's included in that race 00:20:21.210 --> 00:20:24.369 the one our man his cult I can never remember 00:20:24.369 --> 00:20:27.630 his name Ptah I can but I don't know why I can 00:20:27.630 --> 00:20:29.960 never remember his freaking name, but he comes 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.720 up with the Norgics, which is where this episode 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.160 was born, actually. So yeah, what do you think 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.819 of Ashtar and his command? I mean, that voice 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:42.799 is going to live on in infamy in my mind for 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.920 a while now. And again, when I re -hear this 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:50.619 episode. But yeah, this is brilliant. Yeah, I 00:20:50.619 --> 00:20:53.400 always like a prediction that doesn't come true 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.859 when they just double down on it over and over 00:20:55.859 --> 00:20:59.170 and over again. Oh yeah, big fan of those predictions. 00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:01.670 Especially these things where there's literally 00:21:01.670 --> 00:21:04.289 nothing to back up anything other than somebody 00:21:04.289 --> 00:21:07.069 saying, no this guy talked to me while nobody 00:21:07.069 --> 00:21:11.880 else was around and told me this. It leads to 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.359 fun interactions. I mean, it could have even 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.380 been people around and he could have just been 00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:19.059 sitting there meditating and nobody heard it. 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.660 Yeah, or just sitting there and wasn't involved 00:21:22.660 --> 00:21:24.799 in a conversation and he wanted to get involved 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.160 in it so he needed a good, like, spark. And he 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:29.500 says, oh hey, AshCharkaman just talked to me. 00:21:29.859 --> 00:21:32.500 Well, you guys were completely ignoring me. Not 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:35.980 that big a deal. He told me you guys suck. And 00:21:35.980 --> 00:21:37.980 she shut the fuck up. And the world's gonna end 00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:41.059 because you ignored me. Not me. It was Ashtar. 00:21:41.059 --> 00:21:44.440 Yeah, not me. It was Ashtar in, like, Space Command. 00:21:44.740 --> 00:21:47.019 And the Galactic fucking Federation said it. 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:48.619 And you know what? That would make a lot of sense 00:21:48.619 --> 00:21:50.259 if they were told that right around the time 00:21:50.259 --> 00:21:53.579 of the H -bomb by somebody who was being ignored. 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.240 Anyhow, that's the Ashtar Space Command. It's 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.619 a short and sweet episode today, I guess. I like 00:22:00.619 --> 00:22:01.680 it. I thought it'd be longer, but... That'd be 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:30.950 fun. Yeah. Come on! Thank you for listening to 00:22:30.950 --> 00:22:33.170 Journey to the Fringe. 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