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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where, despite what I just said 48 hours ago,

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we're, importantly, not a politics show.

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Although we definitely bump up against it a lot, I feel it's still good to have a place

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to mostly escape from the shit show that is out there.

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So we are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, who will be talking about fringy topics that

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are not going to impact your life directly, harmfully.

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Yeah, I don't even think about it.

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I sure hope that I'm not being played a fool by Chelsea right now, as it is her episode

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and she did not tell me what her topic is.

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It's politics.

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Yeah.

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Probably do think about politics, but not just right now, because you don't want something

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to slip under the radar and then all of a sudden, you know, you know, I don't need to

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say it.

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I don't need to say it.

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Don't let it happen.

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So I didn't think there were many UFO encounters by children at school.

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In fact, I had thought we covered all two of them in a previous episode.

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Those were some good episodes.

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I can't remember if it was one or two episodes that we did.

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I think they're separate episodes.

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I think they are separate episodes.

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Yeah, there's the Australian one and the Madagascar school, right?

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No, I don't think it's Madagascar.

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I think it's somewhere in Africa.

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But Madagascar is also in Africa.

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So you're not wrong, but I'm pretty sure you are wrong because it's not Madagascar.

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Is this in Broadway?

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I can't remember where it is, but it's somewhere in Africa.

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I can make a bet on that.

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So it was news to me when we learned in the Sand Down Clown episode, Sam, the Sand Down

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Clown, a specific reference.

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That's being confused with any of the other Sand Down Clowns.

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Exactly.

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Were other aliens that are clowns?

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Same, Sam.

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So I was surprised when we learned about the Broad Haven school sighting and that one

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was thrown out there by in the before our report.

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And turns out there are a few more in those two that we covered.

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So I put together a few accounts and the thing with these accounts of school children are

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the consistency and the vividness of the children's descriptions, which have made these cases

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just renowned within the UFO community, even though I haven't even heard of these ones.

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But let's jump into it.

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I have two of them today.

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The first one we're going to talk about is the Broad Haven primary school sighting, which

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is in Wales.

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Not only do they have dragons, they have UFO sightings at school.

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In January 1977, a group of 14 children at Broad Haven primary school reported seeing

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a silver cigar shaped object and a man in a silver suit in a field near their school

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playground.

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And they also, yeah.

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They were associated or they just like happen to see these two things and assume they're

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associated.

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Yeah, I mean, they could have assumed that definitely.

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It, the man in the silver suit probably might not be associated with UFO.

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And I would like to just add a cigar is a serpent like shape.

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It's just not wiggling.

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But are there ever any humanoids associated with serpent sightings?

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No, not in silver.

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Actually, I mean, technically in like Chinese mythology, like dragons can turn into people.

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So kind of, but not really.

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Not really.

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I don't think you turn into a dragon if it bites you.

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I'm not 100% on the lore, though.

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I could be mistaken.

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We have to dig into this.

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Also noted about the man in the silver suit was that he had odd long ears onto the sighting.

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The children were playing outside shortly after lunchtime when they noticed the object

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hovering silently.

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They described the figure as humanoid wearing a shiny reflective suit, but no visible facial

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They really, they really just swapped between the guy in the silver suit and the UFO pretty

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interchangeably without saying anything.

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Yeah, they do assume that he's with the UFO.

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Definitely.

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Maybe we get to why they think that no visible facial features, but there is the observation

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that he had odd long ears.

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Some witnesses reported an orange green light that sat on top of a dome on the top of the

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Two hours later at 3 30 p.m. the object was still there.

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It eventually rose from the ground and hovered overhead.

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It was a similar size to a double-decker bus, according to reports.

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After hovering for several minutes, it disappeared behind the trees and out of sight.

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One child said, quote, it was like a silver man, but it wasn't a man.

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Kind of like he's describing a robot.

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Another child added, the thing in the field was like a big long tube and it didn't make

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any noise.

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It just sat there and then it was gone.

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The incident was part of a wave of UFO sightings in the area known as the DyeFed Triangle.

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A teacher at the school who wished to remain anonymous reported that she had also seen something

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strange that day.

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A shiny oval-shaped object with a slight dome in the field where the children said they

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saw it.

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She also heard a distinct humming sound as the object rose above the trees.

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Further reports would also come in from parents who claimed their children had witnessed something

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strange. According to David L. Richards, for example, at just before 5pm on the day of

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the sighting, UFO investigator Randall Jones Pugh would take a report from a lady claiming

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her son and several of his friends had witnessed a UFO on the ground near the school.

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This boy, David Davis, was interviewed by Pugh.

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Around an hour later, he even took the investigator to the location where he had seen the strange

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object.

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At the time they arrived at the location, though, as always, the rain weather had washed

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away whatever imprints that it might have made.

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Pugh, however, believed the boy's account, noting how frightened he had been in the hours

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following the incident.

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Several of the schoolmates also cooperated with his version of events.

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One of them, David George, even claimed that he had seen an occupant of the craft dressed

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in a silver suit seemingly looking down at the field as he was studying it.

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This is an interesting detail in that there were many sightings of apparent extraterrestrials

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in silver suits the previous year in England and Wales during this UFO wave.

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Yeah, but they're completely not connected. There's nothing actually like, oh, and they

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got in the spaceships.

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It's not looking as much, they just saw it with the craft. And I'm assuming the connection

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is made because he looks weird? He doesn't look like he was just out mowing the grass.

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And like he didn't belong with the UFO, it might have seen out of place as if with the

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UFO. And that's my assumption. It doesn't actually say this specifically anywhere that

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they saw him get in on top of or otherwise related to the UFO.

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Anyhow, in the following day, initial inspections of the area showed rain had washed away any

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markings from the ground as we saw when that man went with the boy. Interestingly, however,

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there was substantial damage done to a telegraph pole. What year was this?

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I think it was 90, wasn't it?

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1977.

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77, okay.

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Were they still using the telegraphs at that time?

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Maybe that's just what they called them because like the old people wouldn't adapt and they

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just waited for them to die before they called them telephone posts.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, or it's a British thing. They're weird.

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This is just easier to let old people die off and adjust to them until then.

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Yeah, exactly. They hate learning new things.

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It was bent at an angle instead where the children claim they saw object hovering.

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The head teacher of the school, Ralph Lulun, issued a public statement on the incident

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due to all the attention the event had been receiving. He would state that he had spoken

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to each of the children individually and ultimately did not disbelieve that they saw something

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that they had never seen before, adding that it was not his belief that children of such

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a young age are capable of sustained sophisticated hoax.

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Wow. What a thing to add at the end.

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Following the statement-

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Gee, kids are too stupid to fake it.

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I really like that because it's also like we've seen it with stories with kids. Like

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kids just make shit up all the time.

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Yeah, my favorite is the satanic panic in which the kids were like, yeah, I saw him

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lying.

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And then he flew down the toilet and he went to their secret lair.

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They would never do something so sophisticated.

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And that is sophisticated.

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Following the statement, Lulun refused any further interviews with the media ever again.

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And it's still unsolved to this day.

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Next one.

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Crestview.

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God, those-

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Sorry, I'm just thinking about it.

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Those kids would be in like their 60s.

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They're dying off.

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It's just like the telegraph generation before them.

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I mean, people are living a little bit longer than six years old.

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On average, yeah, but not all of them.

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No, not all of them. Maybe one or two, three or four.

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How many of there were? 14.

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You gotta believe a majority of them are probably alive.

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Probably.

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Next one.

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What was it again?

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Crestview Elementary School, citing in Miami, Florida, USA, March 1967, 10 a.m.

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Several children at Crestview Elementary School reported seeing a large oval-shaped object

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with flashing lights hovering in a field near their school.

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The next 10 minutes were chaotic.

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Mrs. Virginia Martin, a sixth grade teacher, said there was a lot of excitement.

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She wasn't paying any attention to what the children were pointing to at first, but was

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trying to set them lined up to watch.

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What?

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But was trying to set them lined up to watch.

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I don't know what that means.

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Yeah, she's trying to get all the kids to sit down in a straight line to watch this beautiful

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UFO.

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Yeah, that certainly sounds like-

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I didn't think that was right, though, but okay.

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Why wouldn't she be paying attention to it?

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Because she's an elementary teacher, first and foremost.

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And then the bell for recess came and they had to go inside.

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Most of the 200 girls and boys at morning recess were running towards the school ground

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fence, yelling and pointing.

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Mrs. Martin, fourth grade teacher, Bob Atful, sixth grade instructor, Miss Marion Waters,

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spotted the oval shape object hovering behind a pine tree in an open field.

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Seemed to move in toward the school, then went straight back and dropped below a pine

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tree.

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It then came up again and went westward.

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Teacher Bob Atful exhibited no qualms.

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It was a flying saucer.

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That's the guy that was so matter of fact about the dragon sighting.

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Yeah, it was a flying saucer.

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It sure was.

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This was the second consecutive day he in his class had seen similar metallic-like objects

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north of the school grounds.

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See that's why he's used to it now.

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Did he line them up from here?

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No, not this guy.

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He's the sixth grade teacher.

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Oh, the kindergarten teachers are gonna make me laugh.

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Probably just yelling at him.

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Oh, yeah.

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The teachers spent Friday afternoon talking to three Air Force investigators who drove

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to the school from Homestead Air Force Base.

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Andy Cohen, who said there were two objects, became the closest to a consensus spokesman

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for the kids, sat in a car and told what he saw.

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Well, they looked like long cigars.

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They were flying apart one at a time.

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Oh, no, no.

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Continuing the quote.

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Some of the girls got hysterical when they saw them.

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There's the end quote.

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I lost it for a second.

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Here in the day, it was discovered that the UFO sightings were not limited to the children

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and teachers at Crestview.

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Mrs. Mary Troeser called at the Herald to inquire about any strange sightings.

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Mrs. Troeser had been out in the yard and happened to glance in the direction of Crestview

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Elementary School.

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There was this oval object with red lights just over the trees.

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Some children claim to have seen humanoid figures near the craft.

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The object was described as silent and hovering just above the treetops before disappearing

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suddenly.

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One child recalled, quote, it was big and shiny and it had lights that blinked red and

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blue.

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I saw something moving near it, like little people, but they weren't like us.

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Another child said, quote, it didn't make any noise at all.

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It just stayed there for a while and then it zoomed away really fast.

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So I find this really interesting and I know it's been a while since we covered the other

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two school sightings, which were somewhere in Africa, in Australia.

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But I find the children sightings really interesting because they are mass sightings.

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They are coming from as small as 14 children, but that's a lot of witnesses to an event.

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It's a consistent story and hopefully, you know, the interviewers actually doing it in

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a way that they're not leading with it so that you can confirm they all have the same

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story.

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But exactly.

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Yeah, it is interesting.

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And they also have the teachers that are confirming what they're seeing as well.

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When the accounts are consistent, like Taylor said, across various witnesses, it suggests

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that something unusual was happening there.

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Just as much as John Keel would say is if their stories did not align and were very

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different.

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Well, the thing about that, if you want to side with John Keel, is it seems as if some

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kids in both sightings didn't see humanoids, even though they were all witnessing the same

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thing, which I do find to be an interesting detail in the Africa one.

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Why can't I remember what it is?

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It's in the Africa one.

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It's the aerial school.

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Yes, that's it.

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If you recall, it's been a while since I looked at this.

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So correct me if I'm wrong.

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I believe that there were children who also had similar encounters where some of them

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didn't see a being.

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Yeah, some of them saw the alien.

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Some didn't.

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And it was a tiny little alien.

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And they I believe some of them saw it doing different things.

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Some saw it off the UFO.

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I think some saw it on the UFO.

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Don't quote me on that because it's been a while.

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So if I want to play devil's advocate to John Keel, these are people looking at the

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same thing, kind of seeing different things, but they still have commonalities between

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their sightings.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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I'm not going to say it seems to be the beings, but it seems to be the beings.

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Anyhow, pretty much all of them have humanoid sightings as well.

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So I don't know that your one in Australia had humanoid sightings.

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I don't think it did, but I can't remember.

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I love that I'm calling on episodes that are like years ago.

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Yeah, I think this was from you to prepare for.

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Yeah, but I don't think yours did.

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But at least in this episode right now, if I want to be, you know, really accurate, as

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I'm sure most podcasters like to be is a little bit accurate.

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I don't.

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So that's why I'm bringing into question episodes long past.

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In at least these ones, all of the children for the most part described these humanoid

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figures often in silver suits, adding a different aspect to the sighting.

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And it's interesting to note that many UFO sightings involving children seem to be relatively

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benign.

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These children weren't reporting aggressive or hostile beings.

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Rather, they seem to witness stream phenomena much like ordinary people.

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Yeah, it's good they're not sending their aggressive ones to the elementary schools.

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No, it's really good.

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Though in the aerial school, say, a lot of them got downloads about how we're destroying

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the planet.

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So that's right.

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With that, what you will, I don't know if you might consider that hostile.

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It's actually kind of like that.

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No, in the aliens defense, maybe they didn't think they were children.

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And in all of them, at least in these ones, I know I didn't say it specifically, but

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they were all mostly silent craft aside from the one witness that said that when it took

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off, it made a Tesla sound.

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That's the nice word to call those vehicles right now.

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By the way, being very forgiving by saying Tesla.

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Yeah, those are my sightings.

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I know it was a short episode.

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I could have made this longer.

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There are actually a lot of sightings, some of them popular that were cited solely by

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children.

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I wanted to just do a bunch of school sightings where multiple children were witnessing a

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UFO at the same time at schools.

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So I took all the other ones out who wants to hear just about child sightings.

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You got to make it interesting.

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You got to make it a specific child sighting and specific child sighting.

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I did.

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Well, I find it really interesting that they all end up being like elementary schools.

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Like it kind of cats out at like great or sightings.

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So we haven't heard of a high school sighting or a university UFO sighting, which is very

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interesting.

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That is very interesting and when you say it like that, do they know where they are?

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They would have to do it with intention.

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Yeah.

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Because like the schools don't know every UFO sighting.

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This actually has become, you know, people in my regular life find a UFO thing and they

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think of me and they're like, thought of you.

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It's about UFOs and I'm like, thank you.

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I love that you think of me for UFOs.

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But this seems to be the subject in the paranormal that I'm least studied on because these things

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always come up and they surprise me.

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These UFO counters that I've never heard of.

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So that makes me think a little bit, but not but, but again, are these targeted by them?

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Because there's all these other encounters that are mass encounters or whatever, but

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nothing quite like this, like no high schools, like you said, no other things.

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It was a long tangent to come back to that.

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And yeah, it's still kind of weird that like of all the places with a mass sighting, it's

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a place where kids under the age of 12 kind of converge on a routine basis.

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Yeah.

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And no talk in this one of them passing anything telepathically on like in the aerial school

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sighting, which is an also interesting aspect to that one.

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Though telepathy comes in some UFO encounters, they're passing that on to so many school

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children.

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I don't know.

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I'm just thinking out loud here.

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It's not making no sense.

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No fair enough.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's just they're being nice to the kids outside of telling them climate change

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is very real staying apolitical with their visitations.

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Yeah.

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And you know, here we are.

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Yeah.

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Well, thank you for that, Chelsea.

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That was that was a lot of fun.

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And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

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We are journey to the fringe.

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