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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where tomorrow's news is probably a couple
years away, but yesterday's news is today, I'm pretty sure.
We are your almost-topical podcast, that was Taylor and Chelsea, looking at something that's
happened in the real recent events for us.
It could still be unfolding.
Yeah.
And it feels so wrong.
This is like, this should be a 2027 episode at the earliest.
It's so true.
Why are we even covering this?
We're breaking it, I think.
Well, that being said, I think instead of coming in late, we're coming in right on time.
Probably, I don't know.
Maybe it already happened by now.
Maybe we are coming in late, I don't know.
Yeah.
It's coming in so fast.
Yeah, the weird thing is we still record a little bit early, so we don't know for sure.
Right now, yes.
Sometimes, no.
You may or may not have been hearing rumblings of something going on with a little thing
called disclosure.
And you know what?
I don't think this one is quite fringy enough.
We're going with it.
I still think it's pretty fringy.
I haven't heard anybody outside the UFO community know anything about this.
Let's see what we think about it at the end.
Okay.
I think I'll call myself a UFO enthusiast.
I feel as if we have had disclosure and we've seen UFOs, like we have had disclosure technically,
right?
What was that 2017 thing?
I mean, we've had congressional hearings on UFOs.
It's never really amounted to what I would consider disclosure.
And I think, I guess it really depends on what you mean by disclosure.
And when I hear somebody say the government disclosure, it's the government comes out
and says, we know about UFOs.
We have, they don't have to say this part, we have a UFO.
But here are the documents about all our interactions with UFOs.
Okay.
And that brings up a good point.
Like, what would disclosure look like to you?
Now to me, I feel like we've had it.
Like we all saw the Tic Tac video on the news.
That was big news.
And ever since then, it's just kind of been like, yeah, we know about it.
To me anyway, I've just struck and, you know, I'm like, yeah, I thought we already knew
that.
But to different people, it's different things.
Like some people do want to see a craft.
Some people want, like, yes, we know UFOs exist.
Well, they have done that by releasing that video.
They said that they knew that they exist.
And that's that thing.
There's always been an acknowledgement that there's UAPs or UFOs in the sky.
It's never gone that they are entities that we don't know about, which I think is the
difference here.
Yeah.
But I think they were saying that with the video.
But to more my point, I think I'm going to go on a limb to say it's more likely a common
attitude that I have.
I thought I had an idea of what's going on and what's being worked on.
Turns out I was way in the dark and there is way more to learn about what's been going
on.
Possibly that was the plan all along for that to be the attitude.
The one that I exactly adopted, just like, you know, like, yeah, we saw it on TV exists.
Like we already know that.
I was listening to a lot the last little bit and there were some people who were saying
this is a very slow trickling out process of what's going on.
And it's very bureaucratic at this level because it has to go through so many hearings
and they're releasing little by little and it becomes boring at that point.
The bureaucratic process is not necessarily a thrilling thing.
That's where most people lose their interest and say disclosure didn't happen.
Yeah, I'm going to say something seriously suspicious is going on.
And it only took me a little bit of digging when I started to get the suspicion for it
to unravel into a million different directions.
And there are a lot of moving parts in what I'm about to talk about.
We know some of the people in the game, some we have covered, some we've not.
And some of those who are not are on our list.
So I'm really excited to talk about this.
Let's take a little bit of a look about what's been going on.
There's obviously more before this, but for purposes of this episode, this is where I
saw fit to start.
In June 2023, so not that long ago, David Grush, Grush testifies in front of Congress
being the first big whistleblower with claims about a secret program where we were retrieving
and studying extraterrestrial technology since the 40s.
And he's a former U.S. Air Force officer.
There's a big smear campaign against him right now and he's on our eventual list.
So they're trying to discredit David Grush right now.
That's the whole other thing.
And famously hated by Dr. Greer.
Yes.
There's that.
So at this point in June 2023, all we've had are people from the outside saying that
they have heard of knowledge of people being within a program in the government where they're
retrieving UFOs.
No one has actually come forward who has actually retrieved these UFOs.
That's an important note.
October 13, 2024, the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability held
a hearing titled United Anomalous Phenomena, Exposing the Truth.
Rayburn House Office Building in Washington, D.C. at 11.30 a.m.
That was a mouthful.
Louis Alazando testifies that he was a part of some government program, something like
that.
This episode isn't about him either.
Let's move on.
Here is where Immaculate Constellation, and I kept calling it Conception when I was
going it, which brings up a whole other topic.
That's not the same thing.
And I had to keep correcting myself.
So this document is presented in front of Congress, which is an 11-page document.
It's super easy to find.
And it's a maze who's in Congress posted it to her website.
He did.
And it's her first page, suspiciously enough.
Interesting.
I didn't know that.
But yeah, it's super easy to find.
And here it says, I'm just going to read you a section.
Immaculate Constellation is an unacknowledged special access program, USAP, established
following the public disclosure of the A-tip.
A SWAP says, I'm kind of not what these things mean, programs by Louis Alazando in 2017.
On disclosure to Congress, it was determined that this USAP and its collateral information
have not been lawfully reported to Congress.
Immaculate Constellation's primary mission is collecting imagery intelligence on unidentified
aerial phenomenon, UAP, and ARV, reproduction vehicles, utilizing tasked and untasked US
military intelligence resources as part of a network of SAP's linked to non-human
intelligences and UAP technologies.
So they just expect you to know what all these acronym means reading this, I take it.
Well, no, they're putting a lot of them in.
The SAP's, I have no idea what that is.
Immaculate Constellation acts as a nexus for collecting, analyzing, and disseminating
intelligence on the activities, capabilities, and locations of anomalous aerospace threats
that originate from foreign or identified sources.
The intelligence within the Immaculate Constellation program primarily consists of high quality
imagery intelligence, the collateral measurements and signatures intelligence, of UAPs, blah,
blah, blah, ARV, or Vs within Earth's atmosphere.
The collection platforms involved are a blend of tasked and untasked capabilities, and low
earth orbit, the upper atmosphere, and military and civilian aviation altitudes and maritime
environments.
So basically what they're saying is that there's been something going on in the government
where they've been tracking photos from the military of UAPs and stuff like that, and
it should have been reported to Congress.
So it's been operating without its knowledge, and they've been collecting all this information
on UAPs.
There is a specific journalist who broke the actual program of Immaculate Constellation,
I always want to call it the wrong thing, and he goes by Michael Schellenberg, and he
also testified on this date telling the representatives that there's a quote, growing body of evidence
that the government is not being transparent about what it knows about unidentified anomalous
phenomena, and that elements within the military and intelligence community are in violation
of their constitutional duty to notify Congress of their operations.
Schellenberg stated that there is a secret program within the US government known as
Immaculate Constellation whose sole purpose is to collect UFO and UAP reports from military
personnel and censor data and quarantine them away from the rest of the government and military.
While he noted that a Pentagon spokesperson has stated no such program exists, Schellenberg
recounted prior examples in which the Department of Defense has initially denied knowledge
of UAP related information, only the later changes stance and either admit the information
exists or releases it to the public.
So his position is because they've denied things in the past, it's proof that the
personnel is not correct, is that kind of how he's saying it?
So he obtained this information through various whistleblowers, and so now we have this document
that has been presented to Congress.
So just in the sake of we have a lot to cover in this episode, I just want to jump quickly.
This document covers a lot of crazy sightings from the military.
It covers USOs, it covers a floating sphere that just floated over the ocean for hours.
It's crazy.
So I'm just going to read a couple of the military personnel testimony that's in this
document.
The U-boid formation of metallic orbs on USG networks, there exists daytime FMV and daytime
FLIR footage of a formation of 12 metallic orbs skimming the ocean surface at high speed
before dispersing in multiple directions.
The rapid and agile maneuvering of the metallic orbs were incompatible with known aerospace
vehicles and were between 3 to 6 meters in diameter.
In the opening segment of this footage, the 12 metallic orbs flew in a tight cuboid formation.
The metallic orbs were in 3 vertical square formations of about 4 orbs each, arranged
in a 3-pronged configuration, creating the illusion of a cube shape at distance.
All the orbs were white-hot against the black-cold ocean in the FLIR footage, and each sphere
created a faint atmospheric distortion both around itself and as a heat-shimmered contrail.
The metallic orbs moved in this cube formation over the ocean for some time before rapidly
breaking formation as pairs.
The sensor platform lost track of most of the metallic orbs as they ascended in altitude
and accelerated in speed, but maintained observation on a pair of metallic orbs continuing the
original trajectory of the larger formation.
So I guess this was near military equipment just because it's military people.
So it wouldn't be just drones doing some sort of practice thing.
Because they wouldn't know there's military in there.
Yes, exactly.
I'm going to share just one more.
There's a bunch of these if you want to pull up the document.
This one is Jellyfish UAP Crosses US-Mexico Border.
In USG Networks, there exists FLIR footage of an irregularly shaped UAP flying across
the southern border.
UAP appeared in FLIR to be MOTLed MOTTLED.
Modeled?
Modeled, yeah.
Never heard that word before.
Irregularly.
With hot, cold emissions and do you have, do you know what it means?
Marked with spots or smears of color.
Ah, okay.
Irregularly with hot, cold emissions and approximated a jellyfish or floating brain.
With hanging appendages in appearance creepy.
The UAP flew against the wind with no visible means of propulsion, maintained an unnatural
rigidity in its movements and flight path.
Maintained a comparatively low altitude to geographic features.
In appearance and behavior, footage of this UAP violating the airspace of the southern
border resembled the same class of UAPs observed near DOD facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There exists at least one compilation video of this class of UAP sourced from DOD Force
Protection Assets and Theater ISR which uses this footage as a point of comparison.
Again, I'm not going to spend much time on this but they use a lot of military jogging
that I don't know what they're talking about.
That cube one is creepy though.
It's available.
Taylor already said the place that it's through.
I think that's where it was.
It was Nancy Mace at around her website.
Yeah, Nancy Mace has it on her website.
You can download it there.
It's only 11.
And we don't have enough for you to go through.
It's supposed to be 12 but the first page is miraculously missing.
That's why they said 12.
Yeah.
It turns out all of this document was written by Jeremy Corbell.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's on the first page.
Yeah.
So why would they take that off?
Yes.
That is something that I wanted to know too.
I was in here for a later episode.
Okay.
Well, thank you for bringing that up.
I thought it was a typo so I turned all the 12s into 11.
My bad.
Thank you for saying that.
So we're going to move on from there.
Not enough time to think about it.
Let's move.
January 13, 2025, which as I've recorded, that's 13 days ago.
Jeremy Corbell, funny enough, claims that we're going to be told that there is a craft
of extraterrestrial origin on its way to Earth and will be here by 2027.
But that will be a lie.
And he says his information is coming from reliable military intelligence sources.
He discloses this on the last episode of his new show that's called UFO Revelation on
2B.
I actually just want to play that for you right now.
Okay.
Hear it.
Should there be sound right now?
Your government now.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I can hear it.
One truth.
And that truth is that UFOs are real.
They've already done told you.
Sometimes when you want somebody to know a truth, it's so you can set them up to believe
a lie.
And that's coming.
I have zero doubt that lies coming.
What is the lie?
Specifically, you want me to say it right now for real, on camera, to be put in the show?
Okay.
Problem with that.
If we tell the lie before it's told, they can adapt.
That wouldn't be wise.
I'll tell you privately, but I would really think about it if you want to put this in
your show.
For real.
That's a real thing I'm telling you.
So will you think about it before we put it in your show?
I really like that.
Okay.
That Schrodinger's cat of, I can't tell you the lie because then it won't be a lie because
they'll change what they're doing.
But the lie is coming.
All indications, like all of them, is that that lie is going to be that there is a craft
slowly making its way to us here on earth.
And that is the lie they're going to want you to believe.
It's nuanced, how they explain that, the nature of that threat, but that 100% is the lie you
are going to be told.
You even got a date.
A language.
People whisper in a date.
I should believe that.
For a long time now.
It's a family.
I know.
Where that lie comes from.
I know specifically what document from the seventies initiated the idea of that lie.
A classified document.
That is the lie you will be told.
You're going to be told that there is a craft on its way to earth.
That's the lie.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Hope.
Okay, you're probably wrong.
Can you say 100% today?
With a year.
Not from me.
Oh, I'm dramatic here in the text.
Nope.
I'm not going to propagate that lie.
Not going to be part of it.
Not going to say it to the kids.
What?
Everybody knows.
Did you see the text and said what's this?
They just said 2077.
And then 2077 again.
Things will change.
Because maybe I'm trustworthy.
Do you think that clarified it?
Maybe I've told you the truth the whole way through it.
Now you can verify it.
Okay, enough of this.
You're missing all the dramatic close ups and stuff like that.
Yeah, truly you can't appreciate this without seeing it.
But yeah, Chelsea, that was maybe one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
And I had to hear it through the whiny voice of Jeremy Corbell.
He does have a whiny voice.
Yeah, I don't like the voice.
Started off by saying there's a lie.
I can't tell you the lie because then the lie won't happen if I tell you.
Okay, okay.
Here it is.
100% this is the lie.
But then he says maybe it won't happen.
And then he says see like how I texted it to you and all of a sudden was 2077 twice.
With the dot dot dot at the end of that last one.
What?
Okay, so here's the thing about Jeremy Corbell.
He works very closely with George Knapp who I'm very scared to do a deep dive on.
I love Knapp and I hope he's not an asshole because I love him.
Corbell has released some military footage of UAPs, including the first page in that
whole document that I just read to you.
Apparently he's been very involved with a lot of this disclosure stuff, though I don't
know that he's actually working with Tom DeLong's group.
Not as far as I know.
He has worked with Lou.
Yeah, I can't remember.
I was just listening to Wild Ride with Steve-O of all podcasts go figure it.
Oh man.
Why?
He does not have podcasts.
I know he really doesn't and I love him.
But why Jeremy Corbell chose that podcast to immediately go on after that episode was
aired?
This episode is just from not even a week ago.
So why that podcast?
I don't know.
But I was listening to him on there and I actually think he said that him and Luisa
Elizondo didn't get along.
Don't quote me on that.
Even though I just listened to it today, I have a lot going on in my head.
It is incredibly rare for people in the UFO community to get along with more than one
other person.
So Jeremy Corbell's working on this disclosure stuff.
Tom DeLong's group is they don't actually come up in this episode other than Louis Elizondo
a couple times.
Actually Chelsea, just sorry.
Well, my thoughts process is still here.
One of the few exceptions of that rule is Richard Doherty.
What a guy.
God, I love that guy.
So Corbell has released some military footage of UAPs, including the USS US.
Too many USS, USS Omaha video where in July 2019, an object is seen moving across the
water that goes into the water.
A night vision video captured by naval personnel on the USS Russell in July 2019 showing a
pyramid just floating in the sky.
And with George Knapp January 2023, they released an image of a metallic orb from a
US spy plane over Iraq.
Yeah.
He's actually working on all of this stuff.
I don't know how he's like I said, these are not the episodes where we're looking at
these people.
And there's a lot of these people.
We said we're not going to be covering for a little bit because they're so they're recent
people.
Yeah.
And yeah, Jeremy has a weird background in that like he has been a part of some big releases.
But then he's also been involved with a lot of people that we've actually covered in the
past as completely you should not take seriously.
Yeah.
You find that with everyone and his involvement with George Knapp.
I mean, George Knapp and him have an ongoing podcast that I've never listened to.
Yeah.
It's not that great of a podcast, honestly, which is sad because I love listening to George
Knapp and no, it's honestly Jeremy just butters up George Knapp's asshole the entire time,
just like feeding him like you're the greatest.
Nobody's ever been as good as you.
You worked so hard on this.
And it's just like my God, like just put put some sensor bars on here or something.
I thought this was a family show.
Yeah, exactly.
Family show.
George Knapp is known for being a good investigator.
He hasn't come out and stopped working with Jeremy Corbell over this statement that he's
making, which may call into question George Knapp.
I don't know.
Let's get to the end of this.
Even Steve, when we do, damn it, when we do Jeremy Corbell as an episode, I just had
a slip and you're going to see why in a second.
Moving on.
We got to move quickly.
In comes Stephen Greer.
Oh, good.
I knew he was in here too.
I love it.
He comes out and says disclosure project is going to be releasing a collection of whistleblower
accounts and documents in the next 72 hours.
I'm going to stress that Jeremy Corbell and Stephen Greer do not work together.
They hate each other.
Now, I mean, it's not that hard to eat.
Stephen Greer.
So I've had to listen to a lot of stuff that I did not like these past couple days.
Now, what Stephen Greer is talking about is hard to wrap my head around.
For one, he started a new podcast to talk about these disclosures.
Yeah, that was the first episode.
Yes, it was.
And my God, is he hard to listen to?
And I feel like I've heard all of this shit before.
I always actually feel like the interviewer when Stephen Greer is there is actually like
filtering it to be listenable and not insufferable.
It's not.
He's all about briefing the president and he was a doctor.
And what he's saying is that there are two governments, the one we know, and then there's
one operating in the background, the secret government.
So his whistleblowers are coming forward from the government operating in the background,
highly illegal, he says.
But here they are deciding to go to work.
Well, yeah, that's that's why all their non-disclosures are like null and void, isn't it?
Because this government is illegal anyway, so you can't sign anything with an illegal
thing so that all the whistleblowers are just free to talk to him.
Isn't that how it worked?
Yeah, that's how it works.
I just love that he says that it's so illegal, but they're coming forward to him because they
want to come out and they're deciding to leak the info slowly to us and the regular government
that we all know they want it to be leaked to them as well.
But listen.
Listen to this.
There is one thing that got my ears up and this is where this is going to take a little
bit of a turn.
This had kind of been, I'm going to leave it.
I'm not going to say a thing, you know, I'm not going to say a thing.
It's just a short blip on this one.
We're not listening to very long like we had to listen to fucking Jeremy Kerbal.
Okay, so first of all, it's going to give you a startle because he's not the best looking
man.
He definitely looks like a frazz old man.
I do really like he's doing a podcast with earbuds and the earbuds are sorry, not built
at earbuds, the corded headphones, corded earbuds with the built in microphone on them.
Like that is high level right there.
Ready?
Yeah.
The biggest part of this story isn't the extraterrestrial part of it.
Ironically.
That's secondary.
In fact, people who have been in these covert programs that are very disinformation oriented
have wanted the public to believe we're not alone, but that there's a threat.
And most of you who are familiar with my work, Werner von Braun, through his spokesperson
for the last five years of his life, Carol Rosen said, when he was dying and in 1974
said, the whole purpose of these covert program, one of the big overarching purposes, is to
be able to hoax a attack or an alien threat and present the extraterrestrial presence
as a threat so that they could consolidate military power, industrial power, and also
pivot the population through fear and to realize there's another enemy to fight.
Now when you're doing that, it's a long term psychological warfare operation, a PSYOP.
And the best way to do that is once they figured out and reverse engineered the extraterrestrial
vehicles, the NHI craft as we're calling them now, non-human intelligence craft.
Those then began to be deployed in the late 1950s into operational craft that look like
a UFO.
For most people in the lay public, they're indistinguishable from the vehicle.
And those have been used in deceptive operations known as false flag operations.
And these include everything that's in the pop culture on the subject, human abductions
by aliens, mutilations of cattle and humans, and all kinds of skull duggery.
Now we can prove, if you go to our archive, that this has been a CIA PSYOP for many, many
decades.
Okay, enough.
I wanted to hear, I don't know if you got the point that I was really wanting to hear.
It sounded like he was just copying Jeremy Corpbell in a much vaguer sense.
Yeah, the thing that really got me to perk my ears up when it was just, you know, you
know what Steven Greer talks about?
What really perked my ears up was Werner von Braun.
Good.
Who was a part of Operation Paperclip, which was a secret US program that recruited six
people.
Great Nazi who came over to NASA.
Yeah, we did an episode on it.
That's right.
It's hard to remember.
Yeah, we did.
No, no, it came up with Nazis on the moon, I think.
Okay.
One of the Nazi episodes.
Anyway, that kind of got me perking my ears up because you're going to see here, I didn't
know that this was being talked about.
This kind of lie about aliens coming.
And in the last couple weeks, all of these major people, Jeremy Corpbell, Steven Greer,
we're going to get to another one, are leaking and coming out with this information.
Has anybody paid three dollars to see Tranma's opinion on the subject?
We'll get to that.
Okay.
Not to spoil it.
But none of these people work together.
So yeah, he's saying the same information that Jeremy Corpbell is saying out there.
The Warner Von Braun thing kind of got me to perk my ears up when I've been hearing
this thing coming out more and more.
The enormous amount of far right shit that is being pushed in everyone's faces right
now.
I will just say that much.
That's why I was like, what?
Greer goes on to say, don't get confused.
All aliens are very good and they're here to help us.
He then goes on for another fucking hour and a half in his podcast and I don't have time
for that.
My favorite part for as far as I got is when he was talking about meeting with the director
of the CIA for Bill Clinton, R. James Wolsey, I think is his name.
And then Greer says, but he denies meeting me because well, my commentary on that is
that he didn't want to hear that and it's Washington and it's lawyers and politicians
and what have you and everybody knows what that means.
I always love that letter back from Wolsey.
If you haven't listened to the Greer episode, go listen.
It's great.
That's in the second half.
And speak of the devil.
I wanted to see if David Wilcock was talking about any of this and at the time of writing
this, which was yesterday, I didn't feel like sifting through 175 hours of over two YouTube
lives that are just in the last three weeks.
And I also just wasn't in the mood to entertain various forms of drama and bad daddy.
So that's a very specific mood.
But I did Google him and then I was like, I don't really feel like it, but let's just
check out if he's talking about this.
And this post on X came up, which I read this, I gave up on him.
Here's David Wilcock.
I just watched the inauguration and have never felt more proud of our country.
It's still hard to believe this really happened, but here we are.
Thank you to everyone who's hard work and sacrifice made this amazing day possible.
So after that, I was fucking over that shit.
I was like, I'm out of here.
I'm not even looking at this face.
But then cut to today because it's a constant, evolving mess of bullshit going on here.
There's a live and I was like, let's just hop on the live and the live was called.
What was it called Taylor?
Oh, uh, blue, the blues for blue beam or something like that.
Blue beam blues.
That is hard to say.
And so I was like, this jackass is going to be talking about this.
So we jump on it and what did he say?
He's been holding onto this info since 2009.
And we're going to be seeing a fake alien invasion scenario play out in a relatively
short amount of time.
That's right between jumping back and forth between his multiple cameras and putting up
his slides that say his hips finally feeling better.
He said that Donald Trump made it past the deep state.
They didn't want him to be president.
And here he is.
They got him there.
And then I was out of there.
I was like, enough of this bullshit.
So is he the one announcing then that the UFO was coming and it's great that he got
in, but he's going to lie to us?
Yes.
I think that that's what everybody is pushing is that it's going to be disclosed by Trump.
But it's a lie.
It's a lie.
Mixed in with all of this.
You think I wasn't going to talk about it, but I have to.
January 16th news nation announces actually David Wilcock was a little too far up in the
timeline, but this is evolving.
I had to add it in just before I jump on.
Yeah.
And I did bring up Fran Ma.
You can't leave Tran Ma unaddressed.
Yes.
And do you know how many times he brought up Tran Ma in the 20 minutes I was listening?
It was ungodly.
He stumbled unaware.
He can't stop.
People were trying to distract him from his five hour long freaking life.
He would think you have enough time to fucking talk about how broke he is to a million Tran
Ma episodes.
January 16th news nation announces Jake Barber Air Force veteran will be sharing his story
about being a part of a secret military operation to retrieve an egg shaped UFO.
According to Barber, the craft was egg shaped.
Like I said, seemless.
And this is Alec.
I do think it's important that this was within 72 hours of when Greer said something's coming
on 72 hours.
Correct?
Yeah.
So it was seamless, metallic, repelled light and stayed cool to touch.
And there was a body found within the craft that was clearly not human.
News nation has all the receipts to back up his credentials.
They've spoken with other people.
He's worked with not willing to come forward, but are willing to say that they worked with
him, but not in the thing that he was doing that they're actually talking about.
Correct?
Right.
Yeah.
It seems that Greer has tried to latch on to Barber like Greer has something to do with
it as he does.
And we know from our Greer episodes that he likes to do that.
He's not associated with Barber at all.
He's making it seem like he is.
I'm also going to say why did catch a little bit of Greer's episode number two on his podcast
and he's using a whole bunch of news nation clips of Barber in it.
So he's really trying to grasp onto it like he has something to do with it, but he's not
involved with Barber at all.
So I'm going to read you just some highlights from the news nation article that goes along
with the story.
So this is from the article titled full special whistleblower reveals the way P retrieval program
object caught on video by Ross Cool Thart updated January 19, 2025.
Jacob Barber says that for the past 30 years, he's worked in both an official and unofficial
capacity for the United States government and its partners in the intelligence community.
And while others have alleged that there's a secret government UAP retrieval program
that's been going on for decades, people like David Grush and Louise Elizondo, they say
they've been told about it.
They believe it exists, but they weren't actually a part of it themselves.
Barber, however, is different.
He says he was a part of a covert program that worked with alien spacecraft for years.
He says he was contracted as a helicopter pilot and he was part of a team assigned to retrieve
crashed aircraft and an undisclosed testing facility in the desert.
A lot of the work we did was on what I called the range where the US government and its
private partners used to test all kinds of things, weapons systems and resilience to
weapons systems of certain craft.
And so you see a lot of exciting things said Barber.
That's where Barber said he began to see strange things.
It's always interesting out there.
He said things come in and out of sight, things disappear for a moment and reappear, things
seem to move very quickly, things change color, they change shape.
Barber said that his team recovered things that were exotic in nature.
We know they were classified craft, he said, and we covered them and took them back to
where they go.
Just visually looking at an object on the ground, you could tell that it was extraordinary
and anomalous.
It was not human, he said.
Barber said he got his first glimpse of non-human pretty quickly.
I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with 150 to 200 foot long line.
So I got within 100 feet of this object, he said.
That's when he saw it.
I saw an egg, a white egg, he said.
There was no engine, there was no thermal signature, I was operating at night when I finally came
to pick it up.
So I'm working under night vision goggles at the time and it was quite clear.
I flipped them up, flipped them down and looked at it a couple of different ways.
Barber said the metallic pearly white object was about the size of an SUV.
I can tell you that the reaction by my team, we all knew we were dealing with something
extraordinary, he said.
While Barber said he was never told the craft wasn't human, he's certain.
I'll tell you that because of the reaction of my leadership structure and because of
my experience working in that capacity, everyone involved was convinced that what we were seeing
and dealing with was in fact exotic in origin, said Barber.
I will also tell you that during this process over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed
to me by ranking members of the UAP task force that what we were working with that night
was in fact NHI, non-human intelligence and it was not a unique experience.
Barber said he still doesn't know what exactly the object was or where it may be housed now.
It would be taken to a secure facility but my role stops once I delivery, he said.
That wasn't Barber's only brush with the LX plate, there was another object.
One was the egg, the other is what I called an 8 gun.
The 8 gun was essentially a flying disc with what?
I think it's supposed to be octagon.
Like an 8 sided gun.
8 gun, yeah, that looks great.
Thank you for clarifying that because I had no idea what that meant, I just went with
it.
I think that's what they mean.
That's a problem I have sometimes.
Essentially a flying disc with what looked like 8 delineated sections when looking down,
there you go, said Barber.
And I can tell you what it looked like from looking down because that's primarily how
I saw it because I'm a helicopter pilot.
We did recoveries with the 8 guns, there was more than one that made its way to the ground
of this particular operation.
Barber said what happened next would be one of the most profound experiences he's had
in his life.
As I get closer to the site, I start feeling odd.
I start feeling extremely emotional and the closer I get, the more emotions starts to
overwhelm me, he said.
I feel this intense hybrid of sadness and happiness with beauty and song and it was
very disruptive to me because I had a very practical responsibility at that time to operate
a helicopter in the mountains at night and I became wondering what's wrong with me.
Barber said it didn't feel like an emotional breakdown but rather something entirely different.
Drone sightings over Long Island airport sparks concerns.
Oh I think that's a title going into the next one.
I've note that was an ad.
That I copied.
Yep, that's an ad to another link.
I felt like something connected with me, he said.
I'm just gonna skip over this.
Yeah, no and I heard his, because this was in the interview too.
Yes, that was, yeah, that grew me for you.
It's essentially the same thing, I know.
Yeah, because it just seems like it shouldn't have been included honestly because it just
seemed like he was attaching too much emotion to what was actually going on.
And it seems like it kind of takes away from it.
But exactly.
But he does go in to say in the interview and I think that's where he's getting at in
this article that there is a psychic connection with UAPs and that's a part of what he's disclosing.
Yeah, see he shouldn't be there for that because he didn't really have any part of it other
than being emotionally affected by something.
Which anything can emotionally affect you.
And not to bring up John Keel, but I mean we saw things and it was our speculation on
that part about people's emotional when they're seeing something that they can't fit into
their regular life.
Well, there's other parts to it too.
The big thing for me, sound frequencies can give an emotional response that you can't
hear it, but it is impacting you.
So maybe whatever it was you're picking up is emitting this high frequency sound that
is impacting you or something else.
Maybe you had bad food for lunch.
Maybe you didn't eat.
Who knows?
That's why this is such a thing that really shouldn't be included here.
And given the attachment to the video that they also had, the video is not great.
No, and that's the next thing I wanted to talk about.
And I think that was everybody's reaction to this coming out, which is why I wanted to
read a little bit of this article because I saw the video and I was like, well, that
sucks.
It's just it could be anything.
Now, yeah, it seemed like there was a huge lead up there saying he has high depth footage
and then you see it and you're like, well, that doesn't look like anything.
So I did want to put it out there because I don't know.
And like I said, I didn't know a lot of this stuff going on with disclosure as well.
So we're all in this together.
And if you're anything like me, you missed all of this.
So I'm here to help you with this.
So you know, this stuff, if you've been in the UFO community for any longer than just
this disclosure saga, you know, to wait until it passes.
Definitely, which is why we wait for a lot of these people.
Something else I found out apparently I'm really behind on the times because I was missing
a lot of little details about what's been going on.
Did you know that in July 2024, the US government passed the UAP Disclosure Act of 2024 and
it's coming into effect in 2025?
I vaguely knew about it.
It was Chuck Schumer talked about it a bit.
And I've been seeing stuff about it.
I knew something was happening.
I didn't know the specific dates on it.
Yeah.
So it's coming into effect.
Corbel was talking a lot about whistleblower protection on Steve's podcast and how we need
them to move forward because right now they can't because they're scared of losing pensions
and stuff like that.
So they're really important in the movement.
And that's great that the current government is canceling security and any sort of support
that they offer to people left and right.
Yeah.
I know that's a lot to take in.
There are lots of moving parts, but now I'm going to circle back to what Jeremy Corbel
has said about someone big coming out and disclosing an ET aircraft on its way here.
It just happens to be an ex CIA agent who has said this exact thing that Corbel and
Wilcock and Greer are all talking about.
And he actually talked about this quite a while ago.
He goes by the name of John Ramirez.
I know you're just waiting for me to say Richard Doty.
I know.
Yes.
This is a different CIA guy.
Coast to coast, Ambiote anyone?
John Ramirez served from 1984 to 2009 in the CIA, Directorate of Science and Technology,
Directorate of Intelligence and the ODNI National Counter-Rolliferation Center and CPC.
During his 25 year career, he specialized in ballistic missile defense systems and signals
analysis of weapons system radars.
He served as the Chief of Base for an overseas technical collection facility and was Chief
of the Electronic Intelligence ELINT Analysis Branch, a founding member of the ODNI and
CPC.
He was the SIGINT Specialist and Multidiscipline Collection Requirement Strategist for Counter-Rolling
Affirmation Equities.
Prior to his career in the intelligence community, John enlisted in the US Navy as an electronics
warfare technician.
He is a graduate of the George Washington University in Washington DC.
He's currently a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers and the Central
Intelligence Retirees Association.
You getting any red flags here?
I gotta say there's a lot of letters.
So my mind kind of just went blank for a minute there.
I think that they do it on purpose because you just kind of zone out when you hear too
many letters.
But he's in Directorate of Intelligence and not only that, he is still a part of the Central
Intelligence Retirees Association.
He is still involved with the CIA.
Yeah, and there's always the saying, once, I forget how it is, once in CIA, always in
the CIA or something like that.
So I'm going to share my screen with you once more and we're going to just watch this
guy so I can find him.
That's what we would do if there was like a mass landing.
Would we just simply prepare for a conflict?
That's the podcast or a phobia.
You know, that's a scary thing.
Well, I think the dialogue we're having now in this country, even with the recent legislation
that passed through the legislature and is on its way up to the President's desk, even
with that, we're kind of preparing the US population at least and by extension, the
world population and to that reality that there is something, there is a presence here
and that we need to explain this presence because if they show up and we continue to
do what we did before in previous decades and this show up, there will be mass panic.
But if you understand that, though, these are real and we have five years from 2022,
well, maybe now four years, if they come in 2027, for the US government to prepare the
people about what is up there.
In many ways, I think the word got out within the government that they're showing up in
2027 and we better be prepared and if not, there's going to be a lot of explaining to
do.
And so I think that dialogue has happened within, inside the government and certain areas inside
the government that we need to prepare and that's why in 2017, that set a clock of 10
years.
And why Lou Elizondo earlier in this year said, just find a hobby for five years and
it'll all be out in five years.
And he said that this year, so that was 2027.
And I would say, I've heard 2027 in a kind of an official capacity and I can't reveal.
So I think I would say that people in the government are aware of something happening
and that there's limited time, a few more years to prepare the people and that's what's
ramping up this acceleration from the previous seven decades.
So he can say it's 2027, but I can't tell you how told me this.
At a faster and faster pace.
So this is kind of where Trace is back to is this guy.
Interesting.
I don't know where he's getting his information from and he's a CIA agent.
Who talks to Lou Elizondo.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I'm just going to leave that for you to just sit with.
He gives me massive Doty vibes.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I'm going to say that now for a fun part of this and thank you to David Wilcock for
the soft intro into this portion of the podcast.
I don't have a date on this one, but I just want to talk a little bit about Project Bluebeam,
which is also another weird thing that comes into play in all of this.
Project Bluebeam we haven't talked about before.
We probably should have.
This is a very good time.
We have alluded to it.
Because it came up in the Norway spiral.
Yes it did.
That was a very quick reference you pulled out.
Yes it did.
Just a quick background on it.
Just one more ad.
It might have come up in harp as well.
I can't remember for sure.
Here right on that too.
Project Bluebeam EBB as I like to call it.
If I'm going to pull a steven career on you.
Originated in the 1990s proposed by Canadian journalist Serge Monast from Quebec who died
in 1996.
He died super early too.
It was like 56.
It alleges that a covert operation by global elites to establish a dictatorship world government
by orchestrating fake celestial or supernatural events using futuristic NASA technology.
Yes it's going to be Jesus in the sky for your Messiah.
According to the theory advanced holographic technology would be used to project images
of religious figures or extraterrestrial invasions in the sky tailored to specific
cultural beliefs.
This phenomena would aim to deceive populations creating global panic and dismantling existing
religious and social structures.
The theory outlines several alleged stages.
First earthquakes would be triggered to unearth hidden artifacts proving existing religions
are false.
Next, holographic projections would stimulate the return of divine figures customized to
each region followed by a unifying god speaking to all people.
Finally, it posits that technology would manipulate human thoughts creating the illusion of direct
communication with deities and simulating an alien invasion to justify authoritarian
control.
Part of the rollout of Project Bluebeam and why I'm talking about it right now is a fake
alien invasion and the start date for this was predicted as 2025.
Which is fucking insane and I just want to add that something like this is not outside
of the realms of believability for what we can achieve through the technology that is
out there currently.
Uh it's a lot higher.
Like you wouldn't be able to beam into every person's head their Messiah knowing who their
Messiah is.
No that's true thought reading but I think it could get pretty close if you were-
It's better than it was in the 90s that's for sure.
I mean you can speak pretty ambiguously and people would take it as something especially
religious people.
So that's what I have for you guys for this episode.
Putting that all together something's not sitting right with me about it.
Chelsea?
Yeah?
So we're at the first page of the Immaculate Constellation release which I think really
paints it in a different light and it's kind of interesting that it was left out.
Okay let's read it.
Titled Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Truth Lies and Strategic Surprise 13 November
2024.
My name is Jeremy Corbell and I am an American investigative journalist.
My mentor in journalism is George Knapp.
No he's got to add that.
Yeah, he's so good looking.
The following document is submitted on behalf of a courageous government whistleblower who
has presented evidence on the UAP issue to the appropriate committees of the United States
Congress.
This report includes highly credible information not only affirming the existence of an identified
anomalous phenomena but also exposing a decades-long conspiracy to deceive the American people
and their elected representatives from uncovering the truth about the durational UAP presence
on planet Earth and its potential origin.
Naturally one might ask why not step forward directly?
Why does the author remain unseen before the American public?
The answer to this is nearly as unsettling as the revelations asserted within this report.
In today's America, speaking truth has become a perilous endeavor.
Citizens and journalists now face the grim reality of potential lethal retaliation from
rogue government factions.
Whistleblowers and the journalists who support them are no longer assured freedom, safety,
or prosperity in the United States of America.
This should disturb every American out their core.
We are witnessing the erosion of free expression under the guise of national security, a slippery
descent into authoritarian censorship.
Yet, the spirit of freedom remains.
Brave individuals have defied intimidation and oppression to bring these truths to light.
This document is merely one piece in a larger body of evidence, a rising tide of undeniable
truth that cannot and will not be silenced.
I have personally gone to objectively extreme measures to ensure this.
My hope is that by sharing this document, Americans will feel inspired to reclaim not
just their government, but the very fabric of their reality.
Reality itself has been manipulated by a privileged few who, blinded by fear and greed, have disregarded
the suffering of millions.
What unfolds from here will shape not only the future of the United States, but that
of humanity on planet Earth.
I have a lot more to say on the matter, however, I request to do so under oath when I am formally
invited by Congress in a hearing open to the American public.
Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Cobel.
I actually really like the end of his signature block.
Co-host weaponicepodcast.com.
He refrained him from saying co-host with torch nap.
It definitely feels less official in that capacity.
Yeah, no, it did not come from anywhere official.
It came directly from Jeremy Corbell who refuses to say who gave it to him.
Which is his whistleblowers.
Yeah.
This was specifically excluded from the documentation of this.
It was.
Yeah.
That's funny that you brought that up.
I'm glad that you had that knowledge in this.
One thing that keeps coming to me, which should be the big question that I had not heard addressed
in any single one of these people speaking is why are they lying about this?
What's the lie?
It's really weird.
There's no answer that anybody is saying.
The shadow government's already in control.
Is it not?
Yeah.
You do see it a lot on the news where you see something big in the news like Kim Kardashian
or what have you and then something is being like something important is happening that
nobody wants to draw attention to.
That does happen.
Saying it's a distraction.
It's going to be a lie.
What is the freaking lie?
This has been being propagated for years now and it's crazy how often these years are coming
up for years now and why is all of this happening with all of these people coming out with it
right now?
If they've known for years, why are they all saying it right now?
None of these people work together.
No, that's a hilarious part.
It's like they're leaking off of each other.
I can't wait to see what happens with this because I feel like they're leaking off of
each other.
And there's two people in this that I would not put it past them to be leaking off of
each other.
I mean all of them.
So my theory, like I said, something's not sitting right.
Something doesn't feel right.
This isn't right.
I don't know if someone is leaking something to one of them and then they're all playing
off each other trying to capitalize on this because these are mostly all grifters just
trying to capitalize on it and they all have their own following.
I don't know if this is something that's a part of a bigger and more sinister thing,
but it feels like anything but what these people are saying and they're not saying why.
So.
No.
It's crazy.
I don't know what to make of it.
I can't put it together.
All of this is kind of ongoing right now.
I just thought it was the egg guy.
That's all I thought this disclosure thing was.
And I didn't realize there was all this stuff going on with aliens coming here.
So I'm kind of like, this is weird.
I know and I've been seeing things about saying, hearing that it would be a lie if somebody
says that.
But I'm like, why are you warning us about this though?
It's so weird.
It seems it's disinformation.
It feels like we're living it and getting it right now.
Why?
What is the purpose of them all talking about it?
Yeah.
And so like.
Oh, the one thing I wanted to add with that guy who airlifted the egg out of wherever it
was.
Yeah.
That does remind me of that covert NASA program that retrieved satellites no matter where they
are that we did learn about, I forget what episode it was in, but it's a talk speaker
program where they pick up bizarre pieces of things falling from the sky.
They're just very terrestrial.
We put them up there.
I don't know what episode we wouldn't even talk to folks.
I can't remember either, but it came up in something.
But does that not remind you of that?
And it's probably this guy just wasn't told that he was a part of that.
Yes.
You know what?
I'm even deciphered that this guy is on a helicopter or how big the object is.
Yeah.
I and people are saying like they've tried to do measurements because they say it's a
250 foot lift or whatever.
So you can kind of do a measurement of it, but I'm not getting into the details of that.
No, I took one look at it and I can't do that.
And as soon as I saw Steven Greer's face on it disclosure in 72 hours, I was just like
with this.
Yeah.
I was not going to happen because it's Steven Greer and he's a fucking grifter.
And I love that he's also giving his seal of approval of, you know, the aliens are
good guys.
I know they say they're bad, but they're good.
So definitely believe me.
But we're the bad guys.
I always love that part of the story.
We're the bad guys.
Yeah.
So yeah, I can't make heads or tails of this.
What do you think?
Oh, I can't either.
I just, and this is why I usually like to cover them at the end so we can say like these
are the assholes who played this out.
But hey, we get to take part in some assholery, which is like stash watchery, but slightly
different footery.
We're taking part in the big footery.
So yeah, I actually think we might have an update on this one before the end of the year.
So I am excited for that.
In the meantime, or it should be soon because the latest, it'll be 2027.
I am here.
Yeah.
The very latest.
And we're the ones that just disclosed it.
Damn it.
We're the suckers.
A lot of these people are saying within a couple of weeks.
So yeah, you know, by the time this episode comes out, we may already have been told
that they're on their way.
So yeah.
And in any event, we all hope for Tranmon.
If it's the next update, but in the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are journey to the fringe.
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