1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,360 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, a podcast that's pretty good. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,080 I'm not going to oversell it, I will let the episode speak for itself. 4 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,400 We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,920 We're here today following up on our John Keele episode and what I don't know if we're 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,280 classifying as a two-parter, Chelsea? 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,280 Yeah. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,280 Okay. 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,280 You're at this point. 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Nice. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,280 And I will let you take it from there. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,680 Okay, thanks. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,680 Great opener. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,200 Don't oversell the opener, Chelsea. 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:50,680 So, we left off on Keele and I think you may have noticed that we're clearly missing one 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,440 of Keele's most renowned marks on the UFO community, at least from my perspective, that 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,280 being the Mothman prophecies. 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,800 I decided it needed its own episode or two and I'm talking about an in-depth look at 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,800 the book itself. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,320 I also wanted to take the time in this episode to pull out some of the major happenings in 21 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:13,800 the book to talk about. 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,240 So let's not waste time and dive right in. 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:23,440 November of 1966, the people of Point Pleasant and the surrounding area in West Virginia, 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,200 which is along the Ohio River, begin to experience strange things. 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:35,840 And the events take place over a period of about 13 months and entails hundreds of documented 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,160 witnesses and accounts, Mothman being only one of them. 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,880 It's hard to track down an official first encounter. 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,040 They differ. 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,760 But I'm going to go with this one. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:53,480 It's a National Guardsman on duty at the Point Pleasant 1092nd Engineer Battalion Headquarters. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,640 He was on the base when he saw an impossibly large creature perched high in a tree on a 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,160 fence above the base. 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,280 It was so big he thought it was a man and he sat staring at it for a little bit and couldn't 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,400 make sense of it. 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,120 He thinks it must be a bird, but it's too big and it would have been the largest bird 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,720 he'd ever seen in his life. 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,120 He goes to get someone else to come take a look and by the time he comes back it's gone. 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,240 I was going to say like, I've, I've ostriches larger than a human, but I guess he's never 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,520 technically seen one and it would still be odd to see an ostrich perched on top of that. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,840 I don't think it's perched on top is something you hear from ostriches that often. 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Yeah. 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,760 And I'm going to go out on a limb and say like an ostrich is pretty unique looking. 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,040 So I would think that if you saw an ostrich it would be, I mean if I saw the shadow of 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,880 an ostrich that would be freaky. 45 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,680 I mean I don't like birds so it's like one of my worst nightmares. 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,640 So I wouldn't like seeing it, but I would feel like I'd be like he was in the shape 47 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:57,600 of an ostrich because it just had like one super long neck with a bulb on the top and 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,440 a fat body. 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:05,580 The next day after this sighting, a man you may have heard of before but may not be able 50 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:11,960 to immediately identify named Woodrow Darenberger was driving down the highway and had an 51 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,800 encounter with a little entity that called itself cold. 52 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Ah yes, I know who we're talking about now. 53 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Yeah, so I just wanted to tell you that that's where that happened in conjunction in the 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,480 timeline. 55 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,600 Second encounter of the Mothman comes November 16, 1966 and I'm going to take this one right 56 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,440 from the Point Pleasant Register. 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Quote, two Point Pleasant couples said today they encountered a man-sized bird-like creature 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,600 in the TNT area about midnight last night. 59 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Quote, within a quote I guess because I'm quoting the article, it was a bird or something. 60 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,680 It definitely wasn't a flying saucer, end quote. 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,800 Sheriff's deputies and city police went to the scene about two o'clock in the morning 62 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,280 but were unable to spot anything. 63 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,520 But the two young men telling their story this morning were dead serious and asserted 64 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,000 they hadn't been drinking. 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,640 Steve Millette of 3305 Jackson Avenue, I love that they put their address in there, and Roger 66 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Scarberry of 809. 67 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,080 This is before they came out with the term doxing, isn't it? 68 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,640 It would explain a lot of how much attention these people got after people started walking 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,320 out of the staining and stuff like that. 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,920 And Roger Scarberry of 809 30th Street described the thing as being six or seven feet tall, 71 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,600 having a wind span of 10 feet and red eyes about two inches in diameter and six inches 72 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,600 apart. 73 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,920 It was like a man with wings, Millette said. 74 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Oh that was a quote, re-quote. 75 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,960 It wasn't like anything you'd see on TV or in a monster movie, end quote. 76 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,640 The men and their wives were in Scarberry's car between 11.30pm and midnight, and they 77 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:59,560 spotted the creature near the old power plant adjacent to the National Guard Armory Buildings. 78 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,320 Creature was seen standing on three occasions and was described as being extremely fast. 79 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:11,240 In brackets it flew about 100 miles an hour, in brackets, in flight, but was a clumsy runner. 80 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,240 That's weird. 81 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,240 What? 82 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,240 I just think it's ripped. 83 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Yeah, it must have. 84 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:26,480 Deputy Millert Halstead said that he had seen dust in the vicinity of a quilt field, but 85 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,200 it could have been caused by a bird, he said. 86 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,400 I'm a hard guy to scare, Scarberry said, but last night I was four getting out of there. 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 They did just that, but the thing followed them. 88 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,800 They said it was hovering the car apparently gliding until they reached the National Guard 89 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Armory on Route 62. 90 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,440 But we went downtown, turned around, and went back, and there it is again, Millette said. 91 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,200 It seemed to be waiting on us. 92 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,400 He said the light gray light creature then scurried through a field, it had flown across 93 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,680 the top of the car. 94 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 It apparently is afraid of light, Millette reasoned, and maybe it thought it was scaring 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,440 us off. 96 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,160 The young men said they saw the creature's eyes, which glowed red only when their light 97 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,080 shone on him, and it seemed to want to get away from the lights. 98 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,600 They said it looked like a man with wings, but that the head was not an outstanding characteristic. 99 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Chelsea, is this a good point to bring up just a statement that they have all described 100 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,440 it as bird-like? 101 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,440 Yeah. 102 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,760 Like they're all man-like birds, or bird-like men. 103 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,000 Not one person has said like insect-like. 104 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 No. 105 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Okay. 106 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,280 No, because I think most people compare it to they see a man, but then it spreads its 107 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:39,840 wings and take off. 108 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:40,840 Just generally. 109 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,280 I don't think I've ever heard anyone compare it to an insect. 110 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:45,800 Yeah, and I'm just thinking. 111 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,480 It's always man-shaped, and then there's wings. 112 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Yeah, and bird wings. 113 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Yeah, like bat wings. 114 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 And what year are we talking about here? 115 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 This would be 1960s. 116 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,040 1966. 117 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Okay, this is right around the time that the comic book character Birdman came out. 118 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,120 He was in 67. 119 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,800 They name it after, I can't remember. 120 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,600 You would think I would have it in this episode, but it's not. 121 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,320 It's a superhero that they name it after. 122 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,320 Mothman? 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Like a mix between Batman and something else they name it after. 124 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,720 It's actually somebody that works at one of the newspapers that names it Mothman. 125 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:36,680 But yeah, everybody says man-shaped, and then it'll just take off, and it spreads its wings. 126 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,200 They said it looked like, quote, man with wings, but that they have with not-not-standing 127 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,200 characteristic. 128 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Both were slightly paled and tired from lack of sleep during the night following their 129 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,400 harrowing experience. 130 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,720 They speculated that the thing was living in the vacant power plant, possibly in one 131 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,920 of the huge boilers. 132 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Quote, there are pigeons in all the other buildings, and quote, Mollette said. 133 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,200 Re-quote, but not that one. 134 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,200 End quote. 135 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,560 If I had seen it while by myself, I wouldn't have said anything, Scarberry commented, but 136 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,320 there were four of us who thought. 137 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,120 They said it didn't resemble a bat in any way, but maybe what you would visualize as 138 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,160 an angel. 139 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,040 The last time they saw it at the gate of the CC Lewis Farm on Route 62. 140 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,240 They heard a sound like wings flapping, and they said the bird rose straight up like a 141 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,240 helicopter. 142 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,760 If this doesn't have an explanation to it, Mollette said, it was an animal, but nothing 143 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,320 like I've seen before. 144 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,480 Are they going back to look for the creature? 145 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,880 Yes, Mollette said. 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,000 This afternoon and again tonight. 147 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,200 Today's Scarberry said, but tonight I don't know. 148 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:43,520 So that'll set the scene for you about kinda what's going on in Point Pleasant at the time. 149 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,720 We actually haven't talked about this yet. 150 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,520 I love the Mothman. 151 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,000 It has the math man. 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,200 I don't think you like the math man. 153 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,920 Totally different guy. 154 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,320 But we've never covered this Mothman before. 155 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,360 I love Mothman, and I've done the Illinois Mothman because I hadn't heard of them. 156 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,240 This guy's the famous one, the original one coming out of Point Pleasant. 157 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,720 That's the background. 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Well, I think it's very good of us to get to it within the first four years of the podcast. 159 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Are we in your five? 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Yeah, it could come immediately. 161 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,040 Oh. 162 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,560 No, all the big ones you guys want, we're alluding to and will come at some point. 163 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,360 Yeah, exactly. 164 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 That kinda sets the scene for you for what's going on. 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Gray Barker writes the first book on the Mothman, and it's called The Silver Bridge. 166 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:39,280 He writes it about the goings on in West Virginia, and he writes it in 1970, which is five years 167 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,560 prior to the Mothman prophecies coming out in 1975. 168 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:45,040 I read that one too. 169 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,400 Keel's Mothman prophecies accounts of his investigation into the alleged sightings of 170 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,720 a large wing creature known as the Mothman in the vicinity of Point Pleasant, West Virginia 171 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,880 during 1966 and 1967. 172 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Gray combines these accounts with his series about UFOs and various supernatural phenomena, 173 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,560 ultimately connecting them to the collapse of the Silver Bridge across the Ohio River 174 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:11,360 December 15, 1967. 175 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Official investigations in 1971 determined the bridge collapse was caused by stress-corrosion 176 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,360 cracking in an eye bar in a suspension chain. 177 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Okay, so the official response was not Moth people. 178 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,080 No. 179 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,080 Okay. 180 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,080 It was never. 181 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,080 Nope. 182 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,200 It was years and years ago, and I was never able to get very far through it. 183 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,120 I got a subscription to Audible and thought, I've heard so many great things about this 184 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,120 book. 185 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Everything I've heard has been that it's a great book. 186 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,040 I thought maybe listening would be better. 187 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,000 I don't think that it necessarily was. 188 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,160 I got through it. 189 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,760 The guy said, enthusiast funny. 190 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,840 It came up way more than you would think in this book. 191 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,040 It's a well-used word in the book. 192 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,520 He calls them enthusiasts. 193 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,240 Ah, and sir, who are the enthusiasts? 194 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,240 UFO enthusiasts. 195 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,480 Oh, okay. 196 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,000 He uses the word a lot. 197 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,040 That's my review of the Audible, by the way. 198 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Not bad. 199 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Use the word. 200 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:16,800 Now that I've had time to actually process what I read and taken a great amount of media 201 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:23,000 and other books and TV show, well, media includes all of those, about the Mothman prophecies, 202 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,520 I think I had a hard time with getting into it as well as wrapping my head around the 203 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Audible book because it wasn't necessarily what I was expecting, especially after seeing 204 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,600 the movie, which I'll talk about in a second, which is right now. 205 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,120 So Richard Geer doesn't come up in the book at all, I take it? 206 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Or what's his name? 207 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,120 The guy from Shameless. 208 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,120 What the hell's that guy? 209 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,120 He's the guy who dies. 210 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,640 Oh, did you just spoil Shameless for me? 211 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,600 No, he dies in Mothman prophecy. 212 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,600 Oh, oh, that's little Patton. 213 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Yeah, the guy in Fargo, right? 214 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,880 Who's the guy in Fargo? 215 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,560 I don't think it's Will Patton. 216 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:00,560 Let me look at his name. 217 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:04,600 Will Patton was just in the TV show I really liked, Oder Range. 218 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:05,600 It is. 219 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,640 I don't think it's Will Patton. 220 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,120 It's William H. Macy. 221 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,240 The Mothman prophecies book is not one complete story. 222 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,280 It's not an easy linear story to follow, such as the movie had me expecting. 223 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Is William H. Macy not in Mothman prophecies? 224 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,120 Do I have him confused with somebody? 225 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,520 No, you're thinking of the wrong guy. 226 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Yeah, I am. 227 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,520 Don't think you say that. 228 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Google Will Patton. 229 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Oh, that guy. 230 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Yeah, yeah, I definitely have the wrong guy. 231 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,360 He was in Remember the Titans. 232 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,720 Yes, he is. 233 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,240 I've never seen Shameless so I had no idea. 234 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,080 I disagreed with you. 235 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:50,080 So with all that being said, I wouldn't mind reading it again now knowing what I know and 236 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,200 taking it all in again. 237 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,880 This time I would read it. 238 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,920 Not that I haven't kind of read it based on my notes throughout a book. 239 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:05,400 The book was widely popularized as the basis of a 2002 movie called The Mothman Prophecies, 240 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,800 which stars Richard Gere, Will Patton, like we were just talking about. 241 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Not Macy. 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,000 That's how I knew his name so quick. 243 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,040 Nope, not him. 244 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,520 He was in Fargo. 245 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Laura Linney and Ellen Bates and I don't know why everybody keeps not mentioning Deborah 246 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,240 Messing, but she's in it too. 247 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Only briefly though, maybe that's why. 248 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,680 Is she the one who has a dream? 249 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:28,640 She's the one that dies in the beginning. 250 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Oh, oh right. 251 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,200 2002, I'm not ruining anything. 252 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Well, you can't ruin the first five minutes of a movie. 253 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Yeah. 254 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,520 Straight out. 255 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,520 That came out in 2002. 256 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,160 The whole home movie. 257 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,840 So Gere and Bates played two parts in Keele's personality, Bates' character is named Leak, 258 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,680 which is Keele spelled backwards, and Gere's newspaper journalist character is called John 259 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,480 Clime, also a play on Keele's name. 260 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Taylor. 261 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Yes. 262 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,480 You've seen the movie? 263 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Yeah, it's a Christmas movie. 264 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Yeah. 265 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,760 You know, now that you mention it, it is. 266 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,280 What do you think of it? 267 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,760 From what I remember, it was pretty good. 268 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,360 Based on your really good memory of it. 269 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,440 Yeah, my, William H. Macy was fantastic in it. 270 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,720 It's a shame he had to die. 271 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,480 I don't really know what to tell you. 272 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Like, their Ingrid Cole is probably a little overrepresented for what he actually had 273 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,360 as a relationship in the whole thing. 274 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,960 But overall, not a bad movie. 275 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,320 Richard Gere and his prime. 276 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,320 So. 277 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,000 I will say that it was my first introduction to the Mothman. 278 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Yeah, me too. 279 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 So, as we grew up together. 280 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:42,480 Yes, we were both introduced to Mothman through the Mothman Prophecies movie. 281 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:49,240 Reading the Mothman prophecies and having started out being very familiar, 2002. 282 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:55,200 So it came out when I was like going into high school and reading the book so far after 283 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,600 it came out. 284 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:04,480 After being a huge fan of Mothman, I was actually impressed that most major things in the book 285 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,200 are covered in the movie. 286 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Not necessarily how they're covered in the book, but the first story that I told you, 287 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,160 well, the third story that I told you in the beginning is in the movie. 288 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,400 A lot of things do make it into the movie. 289 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,120 And I will say the movie is much more cohesive than the book is. 290 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,720 I was really impressed because most everything that's in the movie is in the book. 291 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,960 They just took key points, made it into, you know, they made it a linear story that they 292 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,080 can actually sell to the public. 293 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Yeah, exactly. 294 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:45,640 That being said, there's like, Indring Cold isn't the same, but interactions that Will 295 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:53,400 Patton has with Indring Cold, while they weren't necessarily interactions that Woodrow Darenberger 296 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,560 actually have with Indring Cold, they are themes that are in the book. 297 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,840 And you'll see through some of the things that I go through in these episodes that as 298 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,840 well. 299 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,480 You're going to see some things, if you can remember the movie, come up in this that are 300 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,640 just presented a little differently. 301 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,000 He'll also said that he was pleased with director Mark Linton's interpretation of the 302 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 book. 303 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,800 Quote, they got a lot of stuff in the book into the movie, but with slight variations. 304 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,880 I have no real complaints about it. 305 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,920 It's Hollywood and it's done well. 306 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,000 That's my feeling about it. 307 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,120 I actually would give a similar review. 308 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,480 They did do a good job and a lot of the stories did make it in the movie. 309 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Like I said, I agree. 310 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,840 I have to say it's probably one of the best book to movie renditions. 311 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,680 I do have some thoughts on the book. 312 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,000 I read a synopsis of the book above to you. 313 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,160 I mean, previously throughout, if you rewind a little bit, I read it. 314 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,080 And I have to honestly say I would not say it is an accurate one, but it's not. 315 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:56,000 I would summarize the book as being more about general heist strangeness than specifically 316 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,200 the mothman. 317 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,800 And while the moth person does come up, I found there to be much more information on 318 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,880 the men in black, UFO encounters and contactees or random thoughts and encounters where I 319 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,400 think keel is just trying to work out what's going on and he's trying to tie all the weird 320 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,600 information he's getting together. 321 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:23,000 And to that effect, I believe that's why they end up bringing the bridge into the storyline 322 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,040 and tying it to mothman because it gives the mothman a purpose and a closure, which is 323 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:33,960 much more comfortable to the human brain for there to have been a purpose behind the sightings 324 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:34,960 and what happened. 325 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,480 So in the book, is there less of a connection? 326 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,320 No, there's the same connection. 327 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Oh, okay. 328 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,640 They do tie it together with things. 329 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,600 I don't really get into it. 330 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,320 But like I said, I think it's just much more of a comfortable thing for people's brains 331 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,880 to wrap their head around a tragedy as well as the really super weird things that were 332 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,880 going on. 333 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:57,880 Okay. 334 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,560 So yeah, the book jumps around a lot. 335 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,880 He brings in other people's work and sightings from around the world. 336 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,000 I think, like I said, in an attempt to make sense of what's going on, I'm not 100% sure 337 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,600 where he was getting some of his information from that he brings into the book because 338 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,240 there was a large amount of information taken from elsewhere that wasn't noted. 339 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,720 A lot of the book is second hand info. 340 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,880 That being said, he does have a lot of witness accounts too that he works on. 341 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:31,480 And Gray Barker also pulls from John Keel's witnesses that he uses in his Silver Bridge 342 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,480 book. 343 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,600 To be honest, I don't know that I have heard of any other experiences of such a large amount 344 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,720 of centralized weirdness going on, such as what is put together in this book that is 345 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,600 happening to an entire region other than to say Skinwalker Ranch. 346 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,000 But yeah, that's not quite as populated. 347 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:57,120 Yeah, it's more localized in Skinwalker Ranch and West Virginia, I would say, what 348 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:04,080 Keel's reporting on is less weird, but still like weirder in a wider area covered. 349 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,600 So I would compare them kind of the same and I hear a lot of comparisons to the two works 350 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920 in all my stuff that I've been taking in. 351 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,000 This has been a long time coming and all I've been doing is like living and breathing the 352 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,200 Mothman prophecies and the Mothman. 353 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,360 Something that wasn't in the book that I found out from the Coast to Coast AM episode with 354 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:30,880 Art Bell that John Keel was on, he did like a little interview prior to the Mothman prophecies 355 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:31,880 coming out. 356 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,320 The same day he did the interview that it came out and he told Art Bell. 357 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Way back in the day, wow. 358 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Yeah, yeah. 359 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:45,880 So he tells Art Bell that what brought Keel to West Virginia in the first place was to 360 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,720 investigate Thomas, the Wing Cat. 361 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,840 So that's a fun tin bit for you. 362 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,840 That's not in the book. 363 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,840 That's why he's just there. 364 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,960 Oh man, is that a future episode? 365 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Yeah. 366 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Oh my God. 367 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,840 We could do like Bat Boy, Thomas the Wing Cat, like you know those, what are they called? 368 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Like, oh, I don't know, but they were the weekly world news stuff. 369 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Yeah. 370 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Yeah. 371 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Oh, we could do an episode on those guys. 372 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:18,120 The major thing that stuck out to me is that a witness statements and general high-straightness 373 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,120 happenings. 374 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:25,040 Keel tells more like a story than an actual witness account, what people are wearing, 375 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,840 the color of their skin, how good looking an individual was, inner monologues of people 376 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,000 that you wouldn't possibly think he could know or that they would divulge to him. 377 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Do they all think he's really attractive and cool? 378 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Yeah. 379 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,120 He thought, man, Keel's so cool and good looking. 380 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:51,320 Details that are totally irrelevant to eyewitness and countertest emojis. 381 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,600 And on that thought, there were many unnecessary sexual undertones. 382 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,440 It made me uncomfortable listening to it because you don't really get that in books anymore 383 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,440 unless you're listening to like one of those, you know, spicy books, which I don't listen 384 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,440 to. 385 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,440 I assume Keel's not writing. 386 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,440 Yeah, no. 387 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920 This is the Mopin prophecies. 388 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:19,120 He definitely writes it to be like a story, but it's not. 389 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,440 It has true witness accounts in it and stuff like that. 390 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320 So that was also hard for me to wrap my head around. 391 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,520 That being said, this book definitely shows its age, not only in language, but also the 392 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,760 way that the information is presented. 393 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:38,200 And you can tell Keel is trying to connect the dots where he should have just let them 394 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,400 not be connected because, you know, you're trying to connect and make a connection. 395 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,880 It was just kind of scrambled. 396 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,920 That being said, the information is mostly still relevant in the field. 397 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,600 Again, look at Skin Blocker Ranch. 398 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,520 People haven't been able to connect stuff like this. 399 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,440 There's no unifying theory. 400 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,320 That sets you up for the book. 401 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Now I have the Mothman on the way. 402 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,640 I want to get into some of the various other themes that Keel delves into in his book. 403 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,960 So first off, do you have any questions about the book? 404 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,960 General questions. 405 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,760 So is it written in like a very misogynist way? 406 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,760 Yeah. 407 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Yeah. 408 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,560 I don't know what I'm getting from Keel here. 409 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,440 I guess is there chapters or is it just like stream consciousness? 410 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,480 So there's chapters and then the chapters are divided into parts. 411 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600 So this is why I had to. 412 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,640 It took me a good, you know, I read this over Thanksgiving, which the timeline is not going 413 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,000 to make sense for this coming out when it does. 414 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,920 I read it over Thanksgiving. 415 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,840 I feel like I've only just now, like within the last month, kind of put it together in 416 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,720 my head where I want to read it again because I was expecting something so different. 417 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,880 So it took me a while to figure it out in my head. 418 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,120 But now I do think it's a good book. 419 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,800 There's lots of cool stuff in it. 420 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,880 There's lots of different encounters. 421 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,280 I love the high strangeness components to it. 422 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:11,200 But yeah, some of the observations in it didn't age well. 423 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,000 It's interesting to hear just like, you know, you watch old TV shows and it's like kids 424 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,720 today think it's weird that they don't have cell phones and stuff like that. 425 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,280 I know it's actually kind of funny that like if you watch shows from like mid to late 2000s, 426 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,320 they're grasping with that idea that they actually have to write about people always 427 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,960 constantly having cell phones and like a trope of TV shows for the longest time was like, 428 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,880 oh, they can't find each other or somebody's missing. 429 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,880 So they have to find ways to write around people just very easily being able to get out 430 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,880 of that situation. 431 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,880 Yeah. 432 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,320 So kind of like that. 433 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320 But very different. 434 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,320 Yes. 435 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Yeah. 436 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,280 So first up, we're going to talk about the Men in Black. 437 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:00,160 Keel actually invented the term Men in Black in an article for the Men's Adventure Magazine 438 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,880 Saga published 1967. 439 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,880 I love those Men's Adventure Magazine. 440 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,880 There are. 441 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,880 Yes, we talked about in the first half. 442 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,880 Weird, right? 443 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,880 Yeah. 444 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,880 Keel comes up in it. 445 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,360 If I had to rename this book anything, it would be Men in Black because it's such a strong 446 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:16,840 theme throughout the book. 447 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,200 I was left feeling sometimes that the people he was referring to sometimes might not have 448 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,520 been Men in Black based on the descriptions given. 449 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,480 He develops a really complicated relationship with the Men in Black throughout the book, 450 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,720 which will kind of discover. 451 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Is that the sexual undertones? 452 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,840 He's coming to terms that he's that's why he's pursuing the Men in Black. 453 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,880 There are some sexual undertones stuck up with the Men in Black. 454 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,880 Yes. 455 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,880 No. 456 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,720 Keel says, referring to the Men in Black quote, there were a few that almost pulled off their 457 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520 capers without drawing attention to themselves. 458 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,960 But in nearly every case, there is always some small error and slip of dress or behavior 459 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:05,000 which the witnesses were usually willing to overlook but which stood out like signal 460 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,440 flares to me. 461 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,880 That being said, he does present more information than I think I've ever heard or seen on the 462 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,440 Men in Black, which is interesting and a little bit creepy, including that they drink 463 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,120 Jell-O instead of, you know, eating it with a spoon. 464 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,120 Yeah. 465 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,960 That they drove old out of date pristine cars. 466 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,240 The dress appeared to include everything brand new, shoes, pants, wallets, even walking through 467 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,600 mud with no mud appearing on brand new shoes. 468 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Clothing out of fashion or would come into fashion years later. 469 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:48,200 They used very old slings such as 23 Skidew or Haba Haba. 470 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,080 They would claim to be military with no military knowledge. 471 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:58,000 I'd be very curious what the military knowledge was if it's like they saw a gun and it's like 472 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000 what's that? 473 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600 Yeah, it was actually. 474 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,720 No, don't call me on anything because I'm not going to be able to think of a single example 475 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,720 if you do that. 476 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,840 I really like that idea though. 477 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840 I'm from the military. 478 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,680 What's that? 479 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,680 Come up often in conjunction with people who had witnessed a UFO or an inhabitants if 480 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,280 asked and would show up on the doorstep of contactees who had not yet revealed their 481 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,880 encounter with anyone. 482 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Thus, the suspicious nature. 483 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,360 They offered contactees pills. 484 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,520 Some had wires sticking out of their pant legs. 485 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,920 I do have the story. 486 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,200 I think it's too long of a story to read right now. 487 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,400 When you say offered pills, is it literally just here? 488 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,400 Have some pills? 489 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,240 Yeah, so they had gone to the house of, I knew this was going to come up, but I didn't 490 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,360 prepare for it. 491 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,480 They had gone to the house of a contactee and offered her a pill. 492 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,840 They gave her two pills actually and they said take one now and then take one imprecisely 493 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,440 however many hours later. 494 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,880 She did take the pill and then she ended up telling it must have been Keele because it 495 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,920 made it into the book and they had it tested and it was something ordinary. 496 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,960 I wish I could tell you right now. 497 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Something like that. 498 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,280 Yeah, still super straight. 499 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,880 Some had wires sticking out of their pant legs in this story. 500 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:26,440 They show up at the house of a contactee and this man is looking very strange. 501 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:33,640 It's always something that's just out of the ordinary, very well dressed, like bulgy eyes. 502 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,920 This guy says that he needs to come into their house because somebody had passed away in 503 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,040 their family and they just wanted to verify that he was actually the person of the loved 504 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560 one that had died in another state. 505 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,160 So he needs to come in for precisely 40 minutes and ask some questions. 506 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:58,680 So he goes in and he's asking the contactee questions that are very personal about like 507 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:05,120 any identifying marks on his body and stuff like that where he went to school. 508 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,560 Very personal stuff. 509 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,440 The wife asks him if he needs a glass of water, if he'd like some coffee or anything 510 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,400 like that and he says he'll take a glass of water but that he would take it in 10 minutes. 511 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,480 It was a very precise amount of time. 512 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:25,760 So in that time he keeps talking and he is getting more flush and flush and uncomfortable 513 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,840 as he continues talking. 514 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,480 At that 10 minutes is up he says I'll take that glass of water now. 515 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:38,040 He takes a pill to which all the symptoms appear to be relieved and he continues on 516 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,720 and right at the 45 minute mark that he had said or 40 minutes, whatever it is, he gets 517 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:50,200 up and leaves and they are all talking at the end about how weird the encounter was 518 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,880 and they had all noticed that he had wires sticking out of his panty that they talk about 519 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,040 after and then they look out the window when he leaves and he's gone. 520 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,320 No car was ever in the driver or anything and the guy just disappears. 521 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:12,840 So anyhow they get a call weeks later being like yeah he wasn't the guy. 522 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,640 He'll believed he was being watched closely by the men in black and at one point he'll 523 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:23,800 stop making appointments and plans just because it seemed like people would be knowing about 524 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840 plans and meetings that he had. 525 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,360 Random contactees when he was interviewing them would comment on meetings that he would 526 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,160 have in the future and stuff like that which he thought was very weird. 527 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,200 So he ends up stopping planning his life and he just does everything on a whim and he just 528 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,120 starts like stopping by previous contactees houses. 529 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,880 He'll just go about his day drive past and be like this guy's a contactee and stop by 530 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,640 because he wanted to get out of this where people would be able to know about what's 531 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,400 going on because he's keeping appointments and stuff like that. 532 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,120 Once he did that in a bit to reclaim some of his privacy, Keele says they were always 533 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,280 still a step ahead of him even when he didn't know himself what he was doing, what hotel 534 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,200 he was staying at, where he was going in the day and stuff like that. 535 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,680 Contactees would receive phone calls from Keele's secretary that contactees would relate their 536 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,840 experience to about their encounter and Keele did not have a secretary. 537 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,400 He would show up to interview the contactee and he'd be like what secretary? 538 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,240 That's what he talks about as just a brief rundown of men and black encounters in the 539 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,240 book. 540 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,400 Yeah, that's enough that you wonder why he decided to just go with Mothman as the title 541 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,400 of the book. 542 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,480 Yeah, I wondered that too. 543 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,960 It's pretty huge in the book. 544 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,640 There's a lot going on with the men in black and it evolved as it goes on. 545 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,000 He has a very complicated relationship with the men in black. 546 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Now I'm going to move on to Indra Cold and the grinning men. 547 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,840 We have done a whole episode on Indra Cold and to my dismay I've left some stuff out 548 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920 so I get a second chance. 549 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Lucky me. 550 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,680 And in preparation for this episode I told you I took in a lot of Mothman media. 551 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:17,920 I read Woodrow Darenberger's book Visitors to Lanulos which is the story of Woodrow and 552 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280 his contact with Indra Cold. 553 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,600 He did go on to visit the planet Cold was from named Lanulos in case you needed that 554 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,760 spelled out. 555 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,200 I don't know that I talked about that in an episode. 556 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,600 So he's from Lanulos and Darenberger actually goes to Lanulos. 557 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,920 So Woodrow and Cold contact each other. 558 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Well Cold contacts Darenberger primarily through telepathy. 559 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Well Woodrow would get a tingling sensation in his forehead and then receive thoughts 560 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,280 from Cold into his mind that would explain different things such as what Lanulos was 561 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:02,360 like and that the people there lived to be 125 to 175 earth years and then upon completion 562 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200 of the conversation I guess you could call it. 563 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:12,280 Cold withdrawals from Woodrow's reign I guess and he describes it being very painful like 564 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,400 sharp pains on his temple and Cold always says to prepare for it because it's going 565 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,400 to be painful. 566 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,400 End quote. 567 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,560 No that wasn't a quote. 568 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,320 The quote ended before I commented on it. 569 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520 Not the issues with quoting. 570 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 I've never heard it described as like painful telepathy. 571 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,000 Yeah it had to have been a little bit more than telepathy at that point I think. 572 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,200 Woodrow and those around him also had experiences with the men in black. 573 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120 Salesmen went door to door around the small town. 574 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,800 He's actually from just outside of Point Pleasant and salesmen are in around that town 575 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,120 selling different things at each door like when it would be bibles the next door would 576 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:57,400 be vacuums and they would be asking about Woodrow and the validity of his alleged account. 577 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,040 They were asking about him in the end I guess and they're just being super weird. 578 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600 Those men in black are weird. 579 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Another interesting thing about Indra Cold is that there are cooperating stories. 580 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,360 Not only did someone witness Darren Burger pulled to the side of the highway speaking 581 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,920 with someone the night that he met Indra Cold on the same night as Darren Burger's experience 582 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,520 we have this one that I'm going to read right from the book and I'm going to open it up. 583 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,800 Turn the light on because I'm too old to not have the light on to read this. 584 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,880 On November 2nd 19th do you hear that? 585 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,880 That's the book. 586 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Good work. 587 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,480 That's how you know it's true. 588 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,800 On November 2nd 1966 he said he and another workman this is telling the story here I 589 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,760 don't know let's just say he doesn't want to give his name at this point because I don't 590 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,840 know who does. 591 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,560 He and another workman were driving home to Point Pleasant from their job near Marietta, 592 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,640 Ohio on Interstate 77. 593 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,080 As they neared Parkersburg, West Virginia an elongated object appeared low in the sky 594 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,640 and descended directly in front of them. 595 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,040 They stopped their car and a man emerged from the object and walked over to them. 596 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,280 He looked like a normal man and was grinning broadly. 597 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,640 He wore a black coat and kept his arms folded with his hands out of sight under his armpits. 598 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,200 That's such a weird thing to do. 599 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,080 The witness rolled his windows down and there was a brief conversation. 600 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,800 The stranger asked the pair who they were, where they were from, where they were going 601 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,320 and what time it was. 602 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,920 Then he strolled back to the dark cylinder and it rose quickly into the chill drizzling 603 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,920 sky. 604 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,080 The two men had a strong emotional reaction to the seemingly pointless encounter. 605 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,400 They debated whether they should tell anybody deciding against it, but the Point Pleasant 606 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,960 resident found himself suffering from insomnia and when he finally slept he had strange nightmares. 607 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,640 He started to hit the bottle, something very unusual for him. 608 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,000 Mrs. Hyer, we're going to talk about her in the next episode, listened to a story, 609 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200 non-plussed and made a few notes. 610 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,360 A day or so later, the man's son called on her and asked her not to print the story. 611 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,840 Several weeks later, she repeated the story to me and we called the man on her office 612 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,840 phone. 613 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,840 He verified the details and then said, quote, look, don't use my name, I don't want to 614 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,560 get involved in this thing. 615 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,740 That scientist fella told me. 616 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,000 What scientist fella? 617 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 That's Keele. 618 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,720 He's asking what scientist? 619 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,880 And then the guy continues a couple of weeks after this thing happened, a scientist from 620 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,440 Ohio came to see us. 621 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,680 He told us it would be better if we forgot the whole thing and Keele says, how did he 622 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,680 hear about it? 623 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,120 How did he find you? 624 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,880 And the guy says, damn, if I know, and Keele says, did he identify himself? 625 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,320 And he continues, sure, but I can't remember his name, but he seemed to know what he was 626 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,320 talking about. 627 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,080 Keele goes on, I couldn't, this is just his thoughts now, I couldn't get much else 628 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,080 out of him. 629 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,920 I would have ignored the whole story except for one drawing fact, the same thing had happened 630 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,120 the same night on the same road to another West Virginian. 631 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Unlike the two point pleasant residence, he had gone to the police with a story, a press 632 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,960 conference was held and he was catapulted into the Never Neverland of the UFO contactees, 633 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,280 the center of one of the biggest UFO stories in 1966. 634 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040 And that's Woodrow Derenberger with Indra Kolt. 635 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,360 So you think that's weird enough? 636 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,920 That was the same night as Derenberger meets Indra Kolt. 637 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,920 There's more. 638 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,960 The young college student from Adelphi, Maryland called Tom in the book. 639 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,480 He was driving home and sees a large object in the road, specifically a bone white reflective 640 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,400 object like an egg standing on four legs. 641 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,160 He pulls up to the object and he can make out two figures standing next to the thing 642 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,680 and terrify him. 643 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,480 There's another word there that I spelled wrong and I can't make it out. 644 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480 A man walks up to his car grinning. 645 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,800 It was about 5'10", where light blue coveralls, thick stole boots and had a ruddy or sun tan 646 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,560 complexion with large eyes like thyroid eyes he says. 647 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,960 And the grin remained fixed the whole interaction. 648 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,600 I've never heard the term thyroid eyes. 649 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,440 Thyroid eyes are bulging eyes. 650 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,440 Okay. 651 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,000 This man tells Tom his name is Daddig and asks him random questions about where he's 652 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,600 from, where he's going, whatever. 653 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,320 Valding says to Tom, I'll see you in time and peace is the fuck out. 654 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,000 Thyroid makes more appearances to Tom throughout some amount of time and is actually taken 655 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,080 to Daddig's planet. 656 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440 Wait for it, Lanulos. 657 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,640 Tom shares this with his college roommates and gets a hard time about it. 658 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,360 And it wasn't until they were all watching, this is a much longer story in the book by 659 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,880 the way, it wasn't until they were all watching TV together and happened to come across an 660 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,720 interview of Woodrow Derenberger on the TV where he's speaking about Indra Cold and 661 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,200 Lanulos. 662 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,200 And all four were flabbergasted to hear Woody describe the experiences that were identical 663 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,200 to Tom's. 664 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Oh. 665 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,200 Isn't that weird? 666 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200 That is weird. 667 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,080 This is the first time I've ever heard of Lanulos and the fact that two people have the same 668 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,600 story is interesting, I will say. 669 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,840 So what are you more blown away by Lanulos than that you never heard of it before or the 670 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,840 cooperating episode? 671 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,640 Uh, I think Lanulos, just the fact that it's like so out there. 672 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,600 Like we've heard of tons of planets that have been brought up as like things aliens say 673 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,360 they're from there and even places that people get taken. 674 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,720 But like, Lanulos for the first time. 675 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:29,560 Yeah, Keel does go on to say that he wouldn't have put that much stock in Woodrow Derenberger's 676 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:37,080 encounter with Indra Cold and even continuing because his contact with Indra Cold does different 677 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,080 from other contactee encounters that he's having in the book. 678 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,280 So he said based on that, he wasn't putting much stock on it, except that it's so corroborated. 679 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,840 Not only people seeing Derenberger parked on the highway speaking to Indra Cold, but 680 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,880 there's two more encounters with grinning men that happen. 681 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,480 One is with the same exact planet and the other is another grinning man that happens 682 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,720 the same exact night. 683 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,200 Like that's, that's more than a coincidence to me, which I would agree. 684 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,000 For Indra Cold, that one's a little bit out there as far as believable contactee reports. 685 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,720 But again, at the time, this is not something that was following sci-fi movies and stuff 686 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,720 like that. 687 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,040 It would have been out there to even fabricate. 688 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,920 So the grinning men, as you may gather from what I just said, are apparently a phenomenon 689 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:35,000 of contacts with extraterrestrials that differ from Indra Cold. 690 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,240 Yes, I know when I did the Indra Cold episode, there were a couple more, but it wasn't anything 691 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,240 crazy. 692 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,400 Keele says it's a little bit more than that, and he's talking to a witness here. 693 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,840 Quote, one night when I was walking home to my apartment, I became aware of a man following 694 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,840 me. 695 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,320 When I looked at him, he stopped and grinned at me, but there was an air of evil about 696 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,320 him. 697 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,720 I can't pinpoint it exactly. 698 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:05,480 Quote, Keele responds, quote, was he possibly some kind of sex deviant? 699 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,480 Good question. 700 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,480 Very necessary question. 701 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,480 I don't know what you're talking about. 702 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,480 A very unnecessary weird sexual comment I told you about. 703 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480 Yeah. 704 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,720 Quote, no, I don't think so. 705 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,400 He was short and sly and wore a black coat and black trousers. 706 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,240 His face was dark and foreign looking. 707 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,440 I don't know why, but the evil grin is burned into my memory. 708 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:35,720 Quote, Keele goes on to say that the foolishly grinning man is a staple item of psychic lore. 709 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,400 Black suited with a dark complexion and craggy foreign face. 710 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,320 He has been described to me in many places and by many people. 711 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,720 He didn't provide any stories in the book other than, you know, those three about the 712 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,880 grinning man, but he kind of sums it up there saying he sees it over and over again. 713 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,680 I mean, I don't look in all places. 714 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,040 So there has to be more out there. 715 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,040 Question mark. 716 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,000 Because when I looked it up with Indra Cole, I didn't get a whole lot more stories, but 717 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,280 there was quite a few in this one. 718 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,000 So we're moving on from Indra Cole now to contactees. 719 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,080 Quote, when you entered the unreal, this is Keele, when you entered the unreal world of 720 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:24,600 contactees precision, prophecies and mysterious invasion of your privacy become commonplace. 721 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,640 Changes seem to develop heightened perceptions, ESP and prognition. 722 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,560 Is that, I'm just wondering if that's why he's able to glean what people are thinking 723 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,560 throughout the book. 724 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,320 Is he's getting it like secondhand from all these people? 725 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,320 Yes. 726 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,320 Okay. 727 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,320 Yes. 728 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,720 It must be. 729 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,160 The changes occur almost overnight. 730 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,440 In their meetings with the entities, they are served up platters of propaganda along 731 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,000 with rumors and nonsense, which they accept and repeat as fact. 732 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,600 Many of the choice tidbits of UFO lore were put into circulation by contactees who placed 733 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640 their complete trust in their contactors. 734 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,040 Entities spun well, tales about crash saucers being confiscated by the US Air Force, farmers 735 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,600 shooting and wounding spacemen and so forth. 736 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:20,200 Contactees repeated the stories to wild-eyed UFO enthusiasts and certainly spread in ever-widening 737 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,800 circles until they appeared in articles and books. 738 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,760 Daren Berger never claimed psychic powers. 739 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,160 He said he received telepathic messages from cold, giving him specific information. 740 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,380 Uri Geller claimed that his psychic abilities came from space intelligences. 741 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,920 He became world famous after his alleged contact with a flying saucer on a desert in the Middle 742 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,920 East. 743 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,720 He has been tested by armies of scientists and parapsychologists. 744 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,760 Yeah, we've talked about him before. 745 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,640 And he was a part of something else. 746 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,440 Yeah, I'm trying to think too. 747 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,840 It was an army program. 748 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,840 It was remote viewing. 749 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,840 Yes, remote viewing. 750 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,840 Thank you. 751 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,840 I was going to say it's adjacent to Men Who Stare at Goats, but yeah, you're right. 752 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,120 Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. 753 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,280 I always have to translate Men Who Stare at Goats into remote viewing. 754 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,880 Usually contactee experiences follow certain patterns, which they are not even aware of 755 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,880 at the time. 756 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,480 A long series of seemingly unrelated events occur prior to the first overt contact. 757 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,040 These events can begin childhood and span many years. 758 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,640 Then too, most contactees have active or latent psychic abilities before contact. 759 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,600 People who see ghosts or religious apparitions have the same patterns of the UFO contactees. 760 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,800 And in fact, the apparitions described in religious miracles usually share the same 761 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:46,160 physical characteristics as our UFO entities, that is long fingers, dusky complexions, and 762 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,120 pointed fingers. 763 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,240 Those are just, there's many contacts within this book. 764 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:58,020 He basically, the whole book is just men in black and contactees, to be honest. 765 00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:00,080 And the Mothman comes up a couple of times. 766 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,080 Well, there's more than a couple. 767 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,080 Hey, there's a Mothman. 768 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,400 What do you get what I'm trying to say? 769 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:09,480 I just thought that was an interesting thought that he was getting out of boat contactees. 770 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,120 Every so often you see him have a glimpse at what he's trying to put together and it's 771 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,120 pretty good. 772 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,440 I do like that he's making the connection between religious apparitions and UFO contactees 773 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,480 in that last little bit there. 774 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,360 But that's where I'm going to leave this episode on today. 775 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,760 And then I'm going to leave it for a surprise on just what we're going to be talking about 776 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,760 in relation to the Mothman prophecies next week. 777 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,320 What do you think so far? 778 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,280 Ah, there's actually more to it than I was expecting. 779 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,040 I was kind of expecting it to be more bunk than it's turned out. 780 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,640 Well, I think we were both surprised with the Keele episode. 781 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,680 Yes, just with that background and the fact that from what I've heard, yeah, he's not 782 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,440 the best investigator. 783 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:59,280 No, and you can tell I have my critiques in the next episode spoiler alert. 784 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:07,120 But aside from the way he tells his stories and the way he does kind of lead his witnesses, 785 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,920 which again, next episode, it's really entertaining. 786 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:18,920 He has some good stuff in there and I can't fault him for wanting to make it a good read. 787 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,800 You know, he was just generally a good writer before this. 788 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,520 He wasn't a UFO investigator. 789 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,560 He was a propagandist. 790 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,360 So you could see why he would bring something like that into this. 791 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,280 It does make it more enjoyable. 792 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,400 To me, it sticks out like a sore thumb and you can kind of read around it. 793 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,080 But still an enjoyable book. 794 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,160 I like the topic. 795 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,160 I love the stuff he's talking about. 796 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,240 So I don't know what to say about it in the end. 797 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:54,480 And plus, these people are all contactees and haven't had their experiences. 798 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,160 So it's not like he was making it up. 799 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,200 He was just, you know, adding his Keele flair to it. 800 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,800 Well, and you got to think if he's trying to draft a narrative into a linear story, 801 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,640 well, not necessarily a linear but a story nonetheless, he's not going to necessarily, 802 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,320 I don't know, this might be, I didn't read it, but I could be completely off base. 803 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,280 But he's not going to ask as tough of questions as he might need to to actually see if it's 804 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,040 a legit case, if it's aligning with what he already has. 805 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,480 I don't know because I didn't read it. 806 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,480 So you'll have to. 807 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,080 Yeah, but the thing with that is he doesn't know what he has. 808 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,080 That's fair. 809 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,960 But like for the most part, when we're looking at like cryptids and whatnot, they're all 810 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,680 like one off sightings. 811 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,960 They're not things that really go on for that long, but his story seemed to. 812 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,320 Yeah, that's something I couldn't make heads or tails of with the mothman prophecy. 813 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,040 There's nothing else like this. 814 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:54,000 There's nothing else where I mean, yeah, you get UFO flaps and stuff like that, but 815 00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,520 other like I said, skinwalker ranch, there's nothing else where you get such a concentrated 816 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,520 area for a finite amount of time where just some really weird stuff is going on. 817 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,240 And it's not happening every day all the time. 818 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:13,440 But in the end, when you get all these people coming forward and sharing their experiences 819 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,600 and people they're investigating it, it adds up to something weird happening, right? 820 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,400 Like when they're investigating it. 821 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,680 But where else can you say something like that happens? 822 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,680 No, exactly. 823 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,680 And that's why I'm wondering. 824 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,680 You got mothman UFOs. 825 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,000 You got men in black. 826 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,040 Like where else? 827 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,680 It's really sometimes. 828 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,680 Please. 829 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,680 Sometimes. 830 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,160 Sometimes in our creature features at Halloween, there are kind of things that go on for a 831 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,040 few sightings over like a week or two period. 832 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,640 Yeah, but please like leave us a comment if there was anything where there was a prolonged 833 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:54,080 presence of men in black, a prolonged presence of, you know, something like the mothman doesn't 834 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,440 have to be mothman, just something that can't be explained that happens over like the period 835 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,440 of a year. 836 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,120 Please let us know, I would be so interested in that. 837 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:10,840 And it makes me suspicious as to and it doesn't seem, I mean, it does happen sporadically 838 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,300 still in West Virginia with mothman sightings and stuff like that, but not like that. 839 00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,680 So why did it just stop? 840 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,920 And why right around the time he stopped investigating it, I was just going to say, and why did it 841 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,920 stop? 842 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,320 Like they obviously him and Gray Barker obviously didn't stay there forever. 843 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,320 No. 844 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,200 They didn't make it up, but why was it finite? 845 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,480 Well, and especially it's not like it's not like people within this community just abandoned 846 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,880 this location like this. 847 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,880 It's known for this. 848 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,760 Like they have mothman festivals there. 849 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,320 So if there were stories, they would be sharing that. 850 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,600 And if mothman love fame and fortune, he would be there. 851 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,360 Like he'd show up for the festival. 852 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,440 Yeah, it's a weird spot. 853 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,440 I agree. 854 00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,440 It's weird. 855 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,440 Yeah. 856 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,640 And maybe that's the appeal of it as well, because that is just something you can add 857 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,640 to the pile. 858 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,080 The mysteriousness of it. 859 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,080 Mythos. 860 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,080 Yeah. 861 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,640 I don't know if I use that word right. 862 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,560 I guess with that, more questions will come or be answered, I guess, maybe in part three 863 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,200 of this. 864 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,360 So I do or do it. 865 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,360 Chelsea. 866 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,120 I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 867 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,360 We are journey to the fringe. 868 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,320 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 869 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520 Bye. 870 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,840 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 871 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,040 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 872 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,200 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 873 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:46,320 Also please, if possible, leave a five star review, as that really helps us in the algorithms. 874 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,160 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 875 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,920 I bet you we are there. 876 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,400 And if you really want to communicate with us and give 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