1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,200 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,820 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe. 3 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:25,760 Over in minutes, I was shopping earlier today and I saw a slogan like that on rice and I 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,760 thought it might be a good phrase to say in a podcast. 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,200 It turns out it doesn't trade mediums that well to this. 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Anyhow, we do measure this in time, whatever it is we are doing, so no matter how long 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,560 it takes, it can be measured in minutes and be over in that time. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,280 We are your podcast hosts who probably aren't the best at phrasing things like that, but 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,520 anyhow we're here and we're what you got. 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Taylor and Chelsea here today. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:55,000 I think this is somewhat a part three of Dr. Greer, but not really, but I'll let Chelsea 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,320 take it over from here. 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,320 That's me. 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,880 What better way to follow up the rear of Steven Greer than the Atacama Skeleton. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,880 Ada for short. 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Yep, I'm really proud of that poem by the way. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,200 It actually took a lot of restraint on my end to not put any rhymes in the Steven Greer 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,000 episode. 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,840 It's a good rhyming name. 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,400 Well then, you could have done the whole podcast of rhymes, so now I'm pissed. 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,920 It could have just been a limerick. 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,200 You could have just wrapped it. 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Not enough people do podcast limerick forms. 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Yeah, no, that is totally true. 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,720 So we're talking about Ada, the Atacama Skeleton. 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:37,200 Who is Ada and how does he relate to Steven Greer because he's following up his rear? 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,200 In 2003, the skeleton was removed from the Atacama Desert in Northern Chile. 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,480 And Taylor, feel free to jump in at any time. 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,240 You may have consumed more Ada material than I have in all your journey. 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,840 No, funny enough, it's just the one documentary that Steven Greer did and then mysteriously, 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,360 he doesn't talk about it much anymore. 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,360 That's why. 33 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,720 So we watched that documentary together and I don't recall him giving a backstory on 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,640 Ada and I'm kind of jumping around a lot here, but it'll take its shape pretty soon. 35 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,800 I have faith. 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,200 He never really gave a true background story of Ada and it's also really hard to find 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,640 an actual background story of Ada. 38 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:24,240 And when you first see Ada, it does not look real in any way. 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,520 Maybe I should start by describing it. 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:33,000 So he or she is found in the Atacama Desert in Northern Chile and is originally buried 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,680 in the ghost town of La Noria. 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,240 It's strikingly small. 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,800 It measures just six inches or 15 centimeters. 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,560 So that's about as long as like a freshly sharpened brand new pencil, just to put it 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,760 into perspective. 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Slightly longer than a six inch sub from Subway because they were sued for not being their 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,440 length. 48 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,440 So there you go. 49 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,480 Okay, I get what you're saying. 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,920 It is desiccated, but it's a completely intact skeleton. 51 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:04,880 The top of the skull has a distinct conical shape. 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,040 So it is, you were to say conical and like regular English. 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,920 It's like almost like a cone head kind of. 54 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:16,800 And it see I'm more so think of it like this is the gull of what I would think a gray aliens 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,040 head would have in it. 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,040 You think? 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,040 A little bit. 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,640 But it's got more like evil face. 59 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:22,640 Yeah, it does. 60 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:24,200 It does look evil for sure. 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,480 I think cone head, but maybe you're right. 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,760 No, you know what? 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,280 The professor in Nightmare Before Christmas. 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,280 It's his head. 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,280 Oh yeah. 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,480 Okay, I can get behind that. 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Yeah. 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,840 It also has 10 ribs. 69 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,920 Normal humans have 12 on each side. 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Four ribs and the skeleton only has 10. 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Cat scan reveals internal chest organs, lungs and what appears to be the remains of a heart 72 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,160 structure. 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,600 And just to be clear, this is an actual organism. 74 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:01,280 It has DNA that was tested and it does come back as organic and it's not a hoax or anything. 75 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,280 So what they find is an organic being. 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Many UFO enthusiasts around the globe assumed this was the body of a tiny little alien just 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,960 based on the looks of it. 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,600 It does look really weird. 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Other onlookers suggest the bones might have come from a non-human primate. 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 In any event, the specimen soon becomes world famous. 81 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,320 And I just bring up too that Steven Greer brings it up in his documentary, which is outside 82 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,480 of the Atacama Alien, Eric Skeleton exclusively about aliens. 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,880 He kind of doesn't acknowledge even like publicly that he thinks it's an alien as far 84 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,160 as I can tell. 85 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,920 And if you take steps to really say that later on. 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Yes. 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,120 And I will go through that. 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:49,320 So Lenoria where they find it actually is an abandoned mining town and you can't really 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:55,120 go there anymore because it's absolutely abandoned unless you are, you know, have four by four 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,520 ability to get there. 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,160 And because it was a mining town, the water sources around there did have arsenic in them, 92 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,920 which will tie in in a little bit. 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Maybe that wasn't the best place to bring it up, but this is where it sits. 94 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:13,240 So at a surfaces in 2003 falling into the possession of a treasure hunter named Oscar 95 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,560 Mignoz initially discovered in the Atacama Desert, obviously it's a nitrate mining town. 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,560 That's what they were mining. 97 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,040 I did not know we'd mind that. 98 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Yeah, it had to do with around the wars. 99 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,960 And then they found a way to synthesize it easier. 100 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,840 I was listening to a podcast about it earlier. 101 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:39,880 So most accounts say he dug up the body at a Lenorian burial site, although a few sources 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,440 claim it was discovered lying on a shelf inside of one of the town's deserted buildings. 103 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,920 So a couple of different stories there. 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:53,060 Somewhere down the line, the Atacama skeleton was sold to Ramon Navia Asorio, a Spanish 105 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:56,920 Barcelona actually business owner and private collector. 106 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:03,000 He's also the president of the Institute for Research and Exobiological Studies, a prominent 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 UFO organization. 108 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:12,920 Navia Asorio later cross paths with longtime ufologist Stephen M. Greer at a 2009 conference. 109 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,240 Greer got permission to take a bone marrow sample from Atas body. 110 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Okay, so was this guy into aliens? 111 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Like why did he end up at a Stephen Greer thing? 112 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,640 Yes, he was. 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,440 So he was something you just kind of stumbled. 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,720 So he was the president for the Institute of Research and Exobiological Studies, which 115 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 is a prominent UFO organization. 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,760 So that's kind of where he would have crossed paths with Stephen M. Greer. 117 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:38,760 Well, why? 118 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,720 He's in Spain, right? 119 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Yeah. 120 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Okay, so he must have thought Stephen Greer was an important person. 121 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Yeah, exactly. 122 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,680 So plan was to have the material from Atas body examined for Sirius, which is the documentary 123 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,160 we were talking about. 124 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,320 Then a microbiologist got in touch with Greer, Stanford University School of Medicine Professor 125 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,360 Gary Nolan caught wind of the upcoming film. 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,320 He became intrigued by a promotional photo showing Atas body. 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,280 I wonder how much Atta would have cost. 128 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,920 I wonder that too. 129 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,240 This guy sounds like he just straight up had a lot of money and was like, yep, I want it. 130 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,520 I mean, I can't say that I would see something like that and want to buy it. 131 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,280 I just don't have the money for it. 132 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,800 Oh, if I saw it, I would immediately say this is fake. 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Why are you trying to sell this? 134 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,800 I know, right? 135 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,320 This guy probably had his yacht sunk by Orcas off the coast of Portugal. 136 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,080 Actually, yeah, we should follow up. 137 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Yeah. 138 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,720 See how his yachts doing. 139 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,640 It's also it's weird that like all the bones are all together. 140 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Like bones don't naturally stay together like that. 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,480 Oh, I should say that it is mummified and that is just okay. 142 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,920 So yeah, it's not just you can see the bones, but they're not like the actual upset layer. 143 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Okay. 144 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,520 It's going to be one of those episodes where I just slowly leak the information to you 145 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,120 that you should have the bodies. 146 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,240 As you remember, we're supposed to know. 147 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 You should know this. 148 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,880 And that's just purely due to the desert like conditions that it was its home. 149 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,880 I don't know how to. 150 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Yeah, it jerky thighs jerky bodies. 151 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,240 That was it. 152 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Because it's super salty and dry. 153 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,960 So the conditions are right to mummify it and it mummified with all its organs inside 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,960 of it. 155 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:23,960 So that's why it looks like that. 156 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,960 It's not like decay or anything. 157 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,640 It's definitely mummified. 158 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,760 That was a huge part of the puzzle. 159 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,840 So I apologize for putting this in here. 160 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,960 So the public got a sneak preview of Nolan's research in 2013 when Science Magazine ran 161 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,960 an article about his team's preliminary findings. 162 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,960 Quote, the DNA was modern, abundant and high quality. 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,200 And quote, he explained at the time, Nolan went on to say that he and his co-authors 164 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,240 had revealed the Atacama skeleton, quote, is human and there's no doubt about it, quote, 165 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,680 and quote, and quote again, I think, because there's a lot of quotes in there. 166 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:09,200 Much anticipated study was finally published March 22, 2018 in the journal Genome Research. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,040 Genomes are the unique genetic codes possessed by all organisms. 168 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,680 Using Greer's marrow sample, Nolan and his colleagues were able to carry out detailed 169 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,320 whole genome analysis of the Atacama skeleton. 170 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:27,360 When they compared Adda's genetic info to that of various primate species like the chimpanzee, 171 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,600 macaque, and of course, homo sapiens, it became clear that the specimen is human. 172 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,520 A close look at the chromosomes revealed she is a human female, a fetus who probably died 173 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:39,760 in the womb. 174 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,920 But hold on, how can we explain Adda's eye-catching physique, which is a lot of what Stephen Greer 175 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:52,880 points at when he says, I mean, let's face it, he is alluding that it's extraterrestrial. 176 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,800 It would be incredibly weird if being the only thing in a documentary about aliens, 177 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,640 for him to not be saying it's an alien. 178 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Totally. 179 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Evidence of several genetic mutations were present in the study, and these would theoretically 180 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,640 account for Adda's ribcage and cone shaped head. 181 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,520 Nolan's team also stated that her bones could have aged prematurely due to yet another 182 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,080 mutation. 183 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:22,240 Given the size of the specimen and the severity of the mutations, it seems likely the specimen 184 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,720 was a preterm birth, wrote the scientists in their 2018 genome research paper. 185 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:34,520 Quote, DNA analysis on the premature human fetus identified unusual mutations associated 186 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:41,120 with dwarfism and scoliosis, although other research contested genetic abnormalities, finding 187 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,480 that the skeleton showed normal fetal development. 188 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:50,760 There is unfounded speculation by people such as UFO theorist Stephen M. Greer that Adda 189 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,000 is an extraterrestrial. 190 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Such speculation led to Adda's inclusion in the 2013 UFO film Serious and captured 191 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:05,960 the attention of Stanford University, we already knew Gary P. Nolan, and tea analyze those 192 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,960 remains, I don't need to say that to you again, you're all following me I'm pretty 193 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,400 sure. 194 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,000 So initially, thought to be older, the fetal remains had been dated to as recently as the 195 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:22,160 late 1970s and have been found to contain high quality DNA. 196 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Suitable for scientific analysis, the remains have an irregularly shaped skull and a total 197 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:37,240 of 10 ribs as opposed to 12 for adult humans, the potential signs of oxifcephaly. 198 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,160 It is also noted that the frontal suture of the skull is very open and the hands and feet 199 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,040 not fully ossified. 200 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:54,720 Anatomous and paleoanthropologist William Hungers has suggested that it was a human fetus that 201 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,440 was born prematurely and died before or shortly after birth. 202 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,320 An alternative hypothesis by Nolan is that Adda had a combination of genetic disorders 203 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,960 that led to the fetus being aborted before term and pediatric radiologist Ralph Lochman 204 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,840 has said that dwarfism alone could not account for all the features found in the fetus. 205 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:24,280 So big debate, during the DNA analysis by Nolan, the B2MT DNA haplotype group was found 206 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,720 in the remains. 207 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,200 Haplogroups identify human genetic populations that often are associated distinctly with 208 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,560 particular geographic regions around the globe. 209 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:40,520 Combined with the alleles found in the mitochondrial DNA contained in the remains, the findings 210 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,800 suggested that Adda is indigenous to the western region of South America. 211 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,880 In March 2018, Nolan published additional results stating that the fetus had a rare bone 212 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:58,720 aging disorder as well as other genetic mutations in genes associated with dwarfism, scoliosis 213 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,680 and abnormalities in the muscle and skeleton. 214 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,920 The researchers identified 64 unusual mutations in 7 genes linked to the skeletal system and 215 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,240 they noted that finding so many mutations that specifically affect skeletal development 216 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,760 has never been reported before. 217 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:24,920 So there's this whole debate between what's normal and what's not. 218 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Please Stephen Greer is pointing to the fact that a lot is not normal and we're going to 219 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:40,360 get into it a little bit more when I talk about Stephen Greer involved with this. 220 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Also another reason why I mentioned the arsenic as a byproduct of whatever they were mining 221 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:58,360 up there which would cause a lot of fetal abnormalities should somebody be drinking that arsenic water 222 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:04,760 which was probably everyone hence why it's no longer a inhabited town. 223 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,640 So that's much of the debate going back and forth between Stephen Greer and his posse 224 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:19,560 and the scientists saying that it is a human with multiple genetic mutations present. 225 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:25,040 I also really wish Stephen Greer would actually take a position other than just saying that's 226 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,040 weird. 227 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Yeah we're actually going to go through his statement in full and not that long here. 228 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480 So we're going to see exactly his position. 229 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,400 I just thought that I would follow up the rear on that one with you know there is a very 230 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,320 differing part of this. 231 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,040 They're saying it's mutations and a fetus that obviously. 232 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,840 By that you mean scientists who did DNA testing on it. 233 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Yeah that's what they're saying Stephen Greer does say something else which is important 234 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,680 but not present here so I just ad lib that for you guys so you'll see you'll see it's 235 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,680 all here. 236 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:10,360 So everything for a reason in my episode of course it's not an order but we're going 237 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,760 to get there it's like a puzzle we're all here together having fun. 238 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,840 Ada is very controversial and Skeleton is on the young side she's got well preserved 239 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,400 DNA and based on our knowledge of how fast DNA breaks down over time it's safe to say 240 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:31,400 that Ada is under 500 years old as I said they're thinking she's within 40 years old. 241 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,800 Oh man Ada should be going through her midlife crisis right now. 242 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,040 There's a decent chance that one or both of her parents are still around today. 243 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,080 There's a lot of ethical questions around data that is brought up within the scientific 244 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,080 community because of what's going on with her. 245 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,800 We imagine how either one of the parents might feel if they lived to see their child's body 246 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,040 snatch sold and then labelled as a humanoid by UFO gurus. 247 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,080 One also has to wonder about how they'd react to scientists drawing international attention 248 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,320 to what was for all we know a private family tragedy. 249 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:09,360 The 2018 genome research paper faced a swift public outcry less than a week after the 250 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,600 document was published the Chilean Society of Biological Anthropology and the Chilean 251 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,320 Association of Archaeologists both issued statements calling the study unethical. 252 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Under Chilean law it is illegal to quote carry out archaeological anthropological or paleontological. 253 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,000 Help me out how do you say that? 254 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 I have no idea what words you're trying to say paleontological. 255 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Yeah there you go, excavations, end quote, without first getting authorization from the 256 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,240 country's Council of National Monument. 257 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,000 That probably didn't happen and at his case it most definitely did not as it was just 258 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,600 straight up sold to a collector. 259 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,840 But to be fair that list did not include treasure hunting. 260 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Yeah, it's true it didn't. 261 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,120 Which is how he technically got it in the first place. 262 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,120 It's true. 263 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Norbert and he Chilean researchers evolved in the genome research study which became 264 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,480 another bone of legal contention. 265 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,560 Wow that was not a nice pun. 266 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Especially when they're talking in the ethical section. 267 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,400 Some of the studies biological claims were criticized too. 268 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,840 A follow-up paper published in August 2018 in the International Journal of Paleo-Pathology 269 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,840 chases some hard science words in this. 270 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,600 That add a striking appearance could have very little to do with genetic mutations. 271 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,600 Instead parts of her skeleton might have been disordered or flat out lost during her birth 272 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,760 mummification or burial. 273 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:41,440 Getting back to Nolan, he and one of his co-authors, a tool-bute of the University of San Francisco 274 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,520 later penned a statement defending their research, noting that nobody on their team physically 275 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,400 touched or even saw the actual skeleton. 276 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,560 The two expressed their desire for Adda to be repatriated and accorded proper respect 277 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,560 as human remains. 278 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,760 I guess in the end it was Steven Kerr that caught all the stamp. 279 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,760 We'll hear from him about the samples soon. 280 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Genetic mutations identified in Adda's DNA could account for her distinct physical traits 281 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,240 such as her small stature, conical skull shape, and reduced number of ribs, suggesting a rare 282 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,760 possibly unknown condition. 283 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,960 A subsequent study published in September 2018 by an international research team led 284 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:28,360 by New Zealand's University of Otago, associate professor of bio-archeological C.N. 285 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:35,120 Halcro, questioned the March 2018 study by Nolan stating, quote, as experts in human 286 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,840 anatomy and skeletal development, we find no evidence for any of the skeletal anomalies 287 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,880 claimed by the authors. 288 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Their observations of anomalies represent normal skeletal development in a fetus, cranial 289 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:56,080 molding from delivery and potential post-mortem tiphonomic effects, and that the team was 290 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,560 skeptical concerning the genomic results. 291 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,280 Authors also raised ethical concerns about the work by Nolan, saying that studies such 292 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,400 as these that do not address ethical considerations of the deceased and their descendant communities 293 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,560 threatened to undo the decades of work anthropologists and others have put in to correct past colonialist 294 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,920 tendencies, end quote. 295 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,760 The publishers of the early study, Genome Research, responded by stating that the ethical 296 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,520 standards did not cover work on, quote, specimens of uncertain biological origins, such as the 297 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:34,280 Atacama Skeleton, end quote, but also stated their intention to review their own policies 298 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,560 on such studies. 299 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,320 The authors of the Genome Research article published a response acknowledging the ethical 300 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,760 concerns and calling for the repatriation of the remains. 301 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,000 They distanced themselves from possible ethical missteps by largely claiming ignorance about 302 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,560 the handling of the remains and the circumstances of the discovery and nothing that they were 303 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,400 presented with roughly a cubic millimeter of bone to analyze. 304 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Okay, so here's the part we've all been waiting for. 305 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,880 Let's talk about Steven Greer. 306 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:10,000 First off, I find Steven Greer to be very hard pressed to give any background information 307 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,200 on adult, like I said at the beginning of the episode. 308 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,840 He'll say it came from the Atacama Desert. 309 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,840 That's pretty much it. 310 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,880 Fair, that's fully within how he's worked this entire time is I can't tell you much 311 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,880 about anything in the past. 312 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,240 I can give you a vague idea sometimes. 313 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,240 That's totally true. 314 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,240 But if it's important, no, we'll touch it. 315 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,240 That's top secret. 316 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,240 We'll touch it at all. 317 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,360 He talks about Atta in detail on one of his stupid documentaries, which is serious. 318 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,080 What I find hilarious about it. 319 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:45,640 And sorry, I think we should mention serious as in the Star Serious, S-I-R-I-U-S. 320 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Not serious as in like this is serious stuff. 321 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Yeah. 322 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:56,240 Again, it would be weird to not think it's an alien if you're putting a skeleton that 323 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:03,760 you're biopsying and studying in a show called Serious about another star. 324 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,720 What I find hilarious about it is that Greer and this other guy are super excited about 325 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,440 the skeleton and they have someone do an analysis of it that does not appear on camera, which 326 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,920 is Nolan, I believe. 327 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Now I want you to listen for yourself to my favorite part of it. 328 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Yeah. 329 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,400 Hold on, we're going to add. 330 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,320 So one of the first things that Dr. Lachman immediately remarked upon was the shape of 331 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,920 the head and the skull. 332 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,360 That it was not something that he is accustomed to seeing. 333 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:41,280 Certain aspects of the skull and certain aspects of the potential mutations and syndromes 334 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,280 that might account for the specimen were present. 335 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:54,880 But what was remarkable, at least in my discussions with him, that any given syndrome often has 336 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,680 co-phenotypes or co-events that would occur. 337 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:08,040 It was quite interesting in some ways, exciting, as he would remark upon a particular feature 338 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,520 of the specimen and then find that the associated features that you would expect from a syndrome 339 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720 of that nature were not found. 340 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,160 What you also see is that he says it has 10 ribs. 341 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,160 That was it. 342 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Okay. 343 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,160 Okay. 344 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,840 And maybe you missed it. 345 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,680 I just really like that they are even like at that point establishing it in its human. 346 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960 It just has a lot of abnormalities, which they find weird. 347 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,560 But like, here's the thing. 348 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Yeah. 349 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Okay. 350 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Yeah, it's weird. 351 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,080 It's like an alien documentary. 352 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,000 So I don't know if you caught it. 353 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,960 They say it very like they continue talking. 354 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:52,480 But the guy literally says, quote, say certain aspects of the potential mutations and syndromes 355 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,880 that might account for the specimen present. 356 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Yeah. 357 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,880 I know. 358 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,880 That's what I was saying. 359 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 They're like, yeah, these are rare mutations. 360 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,600 That's great. 361 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,600 It's a human. 362 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,800 All of the things that would account for it are there. 363 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Yes. 364 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,800 They are. 365 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:15,720 So on Greer's website, he has a document out of Kama humanoid still a mystery. 366 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,880 Danford University research by Stephen M Greer, April 22, 2013. 367 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,720 And I want to find it because I thought that I had it linked here. 368 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,720 I did not. 369 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,720 I'm going to find it. 370 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,960 We're just going to go through it. 371 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,080 I swear to God I had a link in here. 372 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Where the fuck is this? 373 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,800 It's so nice to meet this document. 374 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,800 It's a freaking mess. 375 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,800 Okay. 376 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Where are you? 377 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,240 It's the one you sent me. 378 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,640 I can see if I can find it. 379 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,680 I'm looking for it too. 380 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Okay. 381 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,920 I really thought it was right on the landing page. 382 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,040 I go on a cruise. 383 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,200 You're looking for the document I sent you, right? 384 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,200 Yeah. 385 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Okay. 386 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,000 Because he does have a whole like write up on the thing on his web page, but this is 387 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,320 not what you're looking for. 388 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Oh, I want the document. 389 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,480 Why can't I search his web page? 390 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Evidence and docs. 391 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,480 Oh, it might be in here. 392 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,200 He misgenders it in his web page. 393 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,200 I know. 394 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Gulls of a he throughout. 395 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,200 I know. 396 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,200 Over here. 397 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200 It is open. 398 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,200 Okay. 399 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,440 I hope this is it. 400 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,600 I'm pretty sure this is it. 401 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,040 So it starts out May 14, 2018. 402 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,480 Steven M. Grer MD, serious technology, advanced research, LLC. 403 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,160 We all know how to feel about that. 404 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,160 Two. 405 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,080 All these people I don't care. 406 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Atacama skeleton. 407 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,600 This is clearly an email. 408 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,960 I've become aware of the recent publication in genome research of a study on the Atacama 409 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,680 skeleton that has now received worldwide media attention. 410 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,080 This is the one I was telling you about that says it was human for the record. 411 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:56,400 Neither I nor anyone on my team have ever claimed that Atacama skeleton was alien, but 412 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,480 only highly unusual and needed competent scientific investigation. 413 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:09,080 Alas, the study recently published in the genome research makes a mockery of science. 414 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Can we just stop right there and acknowledge his tacit statement that he is not capable 415 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,760 of that research? 416 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Yes, we can acknowledge that. 417 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,040 We can bask in. 418 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,320 I think that's pretty great that he's saying somebody competent. 419 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,160 Yes, somebody competent, let's do it. 420 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,160 So, he goes on. 421 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:39,400 You should note that as principal investigator, and quotes PI, on this case that I was neither 422 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:47,040 consulted nor given an opportunity to review Gary Nolan's et al findings prior to publication. 423 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,480 This is unfortunate, as any qualified PhD would have found the paper deeply flawed and 424 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:00,560 incompetent. 425 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:07,160 Have looked into this paper and have concluded it is junk science at its worst. 426 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,440 Who have written comments after studying the data? 427 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,040 No, Chelsea, can we just ponder the statement junk science at its worst? 428 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,200 Does that swing the pendulum back to competent again? 429 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,040 If it's bad junk science? 430 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,640 Yeah, a double negative. 431 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,560 A bad bad guy might be a good guy. 432 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,560 You're right. 433 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,560 Back it good. 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,560 This is good science. 435 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,560 It's a great science. 436 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,560 It's bad junk science. 437 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,640 It's good science. 438 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,640 Have concerned that? 439 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,120 Have spent tens of thousands of dollars obtaining the sample at our expense. 440 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:52,480 Danford UCSF and genome research journal have published a false defaming and inaccurate 441 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,160 paper that does not substantiate harm to the cause of science and to me personally. 442 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,600 I just in picturing him like he was defamed by this. 443 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,600 You read it. 444 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040 I've been with one finger so fast. 445 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,680 You think just like you would get like 10 taps and then you just get a heavy sigh and 446 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,240 then like eight more taps and then a heavy sigh and then the pace. 447 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,800 Yeah, I can't see how he would be defamed by this. 448 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,360 And then he comes back and he flips the chair around and has to go back. 449 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:27,280 In the end it probably got him more exposure than he regularly has. 450 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,440 In my opinion. 451 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,520 Aside from the legal and ethical questions of such a paper being published and garnishing 452 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:40,600 worldwide media coverage without my knowledge or advice, there is the damage to the underlying 453 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:51,960 purpose to discover what the Atigama skeleton is. 454 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,720 Oh man. 455 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,720 It goes on. 456 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,120 Oh I know I saw it. 457 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,880 Oh we're reading all of this. 458 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840 I need to look at this document with you. 459 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,760 I wasn't going to and then I actually looked at it and we have to. 460 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,680 The bone samples provided were done so with assurances from Nolan that a thorough and 461 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,840 objective study would be made. 462 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:21,080 However, all of the PhD geneticists that have delved into his data and methodology assure 463 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:29,400 me it was done at best incompetently and at worst, and this is their belief, fraudulently, 464 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:36,200 lack of controls, the methods used and so forth were so blatantly incompetent that they're 465 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,960 only conclusion is that the study was corrupted from the beginning to obtain a predetermined 466 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,080 conclusion. 467 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,680 This is not science. 468 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800 It is politics or something else. 469 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000 He has a lot of big stuff. 470 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,200 This is trying to think of one more example of what it could be. 471 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,600 Oh at that point, at that point there was a heavy sigh of pace and he's like you know 472 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,600 what screw it. 473 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,840 I'm going to put something else and move on. 474 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,840 I'm furious. 475 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:15,480 I really like that he couldn't name the PhD friends that he had talked to who said this 476 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,160 was junk science. 477 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,000 That wouldn't help my case at all saying who specifically stated that this was bad. 478 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Oh no you couldn't do that. 479 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,080 You can't do that. 480 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,080 You're just too mad. 481 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,080 Friend. 482 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,080 It's a stream of consciousness thing. 483 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,080 No, he's a friend. 484 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,680 Yeah, he's too enraged. 485 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,120 It's a friend of a friend. 486 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520 God damn it. 487 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,760 Finally the study had no controls. 488 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,520 It was not a reference free DNA study. 489 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Data was cherry picked and key data left out. 490 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:51,880 Example, 360,000 triploid alleles and was done with antiquated technology and methodology. 491 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,320 I've been assured that any competent peer review process would have given the paper 492 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,120 a zero score and returned it. 493 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,480 This has been peer reviewed, correct? 494 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000 Like I think we mentioned that. 495 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Yeah. 496 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,200 Is that what peers do is market? 497 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,960 Yeah, they give you a zero or a higher score than a zero I assume. 498 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:23,040 The assertion that the skeleton is a deformed fetus, allegedly female, which is why he says 499 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:29,760 that on his website, is unfounded by the data and the clinical medical findings. 500 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:36,400 See Dr. Lockman's report attached that there were seven de novo mutations resulting in the 501 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,960 scene biological specimen is spurious and without scientific foundation. 502 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,680 Others have included that had there been such widespread genetic damage that the embryo 503 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,120 would never have been able to divide and develop further. 504 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,760 It died in the womb. 505 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,960 Like yeah, it seems it got slightly further than he just had, but it died in the womb. 506 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,200 To me, that's what makes the most sense. 507 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,600 Two PhD scientists with deep knowledge and expertise in DNA sequencing have assured 508 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,680 me the study was faked from the very beginning and that the report could not have been properly 509 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,680 peer reviewed. 510 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,680 Assured. 511 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 That's an interesting way to put that. 512 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Assured. 513 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Assured. 514 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,320 That's an interesting way to put that. 515 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Assured. 516 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Assured. 517 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,320 Assured. 518 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Assured. 519 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,320 Assured. 520 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320 Assured. 521 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,320 Assured. 522 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,320 Assured. 523 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,320 Assured. 524 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Assured. 525 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Assured. 526 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Assured. 527 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,320 Assured. 528 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,320 Assured. 529 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,320 Assured. 530 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,320 And I say that. 531 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,320 I'll just put it here. 532 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,320 Assured. 533 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,320 Assured. 534 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320 Assured. 535 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Assured. 536 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,320 That's what he did. 537 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,320 Okay, I can totally see that. 538 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:52,080 I am an MD and not a PhD geneticist, so he's incompetent as an editor. 539 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080 He cannot do it. He's not confident. 540 00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:00,280 But he can clearly spot the issues of somebody who actually knows what they're doing doing 541 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,280 it. 542 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,280 He knows it. Yeah, it was done wrong. 543 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Mostly because they didn't... 544 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,280 Not a page. 545 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,880 I just want to put this in here. He's mad that they didn't run it by him first, despite 546 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,280 the fact that he fully acknowledges he has no expertise in this area. 547 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,280 Okay, just wait. When we get to the end, he has it all in bullet form when he's unhappy. 548 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:26,480 He just... Oh man, he got so fuming, he just couldn't even form structure anymore. 549 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,480 I am not a PhD geneticist, however, I can attest that even the statement that we told 550 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Nolan the specimen was thousands of years old is false. 551 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,240 Clinically and archaeologically, we knew it was from early in the 20th century or the 552 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440 late 19th century. 553 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,640 This was reported to Nolan specifically. He asserted it is 40 years old, although there 554 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040 is no evidence for this either. 555 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:59,240 But the strata of ruins in which the skeleton was found is from the late 1900s, 1930 or 556 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,240 so. 557 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,640 So I'm pretty sure in the documentary he mentioned it several times that it's... it could be 558 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,640 hundreds of years old, correct? 559 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,640 Yeah. 560 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,560 And he's even saying, I agree with what he found that it was in the 1900s and then he 561 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,360 shits all over him again. 562 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,480 There were also studies showing the specimen was around 6 years of age, a finding nullified 563 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:30,680 by the fanciful idea that it prematurely aged in utero, in brackets progeria. 564 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,400 Nolan's own research assistant found a similar creature from 1996 in Russia. 565 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,560 See attached email and Russian photos also found in an area of alleged UFO events. 566 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,840 Nolan asserted to me that if there were two of these unusual creatures that the likelihood 567 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,960 the attic hamam one was a deformed human was nil. 568 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,960 Why? 569 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Nolan was fully aware of these clinical and historical facts prior to completing this 570 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000 study and report. 571 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000 I don't know why. 572 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Why? 573 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Doesn't say why. 574 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Yeah. 575 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Can't say why. 576 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 He was fully aware that... 577 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,440 Otherwise the why would be in there. 578 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,680 I really feel like you should explain yourself if you're saying that like, oh, finding another 579 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,920 one shows it can't be an abnormality, but does that not add to the likelihood that it's 580 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,720 a genetic abnormality that can exist out there? 581 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:20,960 Well in his mind it must add to the fact that it's an alien. 582 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,080 But he's also said he knew it wasn't an alien right at the beginning of it. 583 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,120 Yeah, he's true to it. 584 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,280 And he's started this off saying I knew it wasn't an alien and also I am not an expert 585 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,360 in this subject matter and you should not take me seriously. 586 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,360 But... 587 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,800 We need some more confidence to do this. 588 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:46,280 It has also come to my attention that Nolan received a $3.2 Department of Defense teal 589 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,280 award approximately... 590 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,280 Did you say $3.2 or $3.2 million? 591 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,600 Well it just says $3.2 with a dollar sign, Department of Defense teal award. 592 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680 There's no million or anything. 593 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:05,160 Approximately one month after I provided the DNA samples to him on October 2012, C-Attach. 594 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640 This document is really just like a gold mine. 595 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,080 I first opened it up and I was like this is bullshit I'm not even reading this. 596 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,840 And then I read a little bit to see what he had to say and I was like holy shit this is 597 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,480 a gold mine of amazing bits. 598 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,080 Oh yeah I was in the middle of this. 599 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,360 It was separate people, the director of the film Sirius and a member of my team who met 600 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,440 privately with Tristan Harris, I don't know who that is, have stated that Nolan was induced 601 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,440 to say the specimen was a deformed human by federal agents or someone connected to the 602 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,760 US government and that is why he reached the spurious scientific conclusion. 603 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Scientific was enclosed by the way. 604 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,080 If true, if is capitalized. 605 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:52,000 If true, this constitutes fraud and scientific corruption at its worst. 606 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,880 We need a full state, federal and academic investigation into this case to determine 607 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,360 how this study came to these conclusions whether fraud was committed if federal or state funds 608 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:08,040 were used and why the study published in an obscure journal gained such media attention. 609 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,760 Something tells me he's going to be hard pressed to do that. 610 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:18,080 Recently Nolan has become associated with a group called To The Stars Academy. 611 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:25,840 Headed up by a former rock star, this group C attached article is packed with former in 612 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:32,640 brackets question mark current and quote Pentagon and CIA operatives well known for running 613 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520 scams on the US government and American people. 614 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,560 See email for senior CIA official written to me attached. 615 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,520 Was it this group or there is assets that arrange for global media coverage of Nolan's 616 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,520 findings. 617 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,680 I'd just like to point out at this time that he is working with Richard Doty, Steven Greer 618 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,800 by the way, just in case we weren't clear and David Wilcock. 619 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,920 I mean, Doty has the bigger implications. 620 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,320 David Wilcock just asked. 621 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Oh yeah, that's fair. 622 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,400 All of these issues need a full and a partial investigation by academic conduct committees 623 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,840 and offices that handle legal and ethical problems. 624 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,720 Sorry, I'm laughing because he really does hate to the stars. 625 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,800 He really wants to get him. 626 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,800 I ask that here are his demands. 627 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,840 Number one, you provide me with the peer review comments from the genome research related 628 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,680 to Nolan's paper. 629 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:38,400 You return to me any unused DNA materials from the specimen that I provided to Nolan. 630 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,760 Three, compensate me for the cost involved in obtaining the sample in the damage to my 631 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:51,080 reputation, travel time and damage to my intellectual property in brackets serious and others and 632 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,400 bracket to be determined by arbitration or other means if necessary. 633 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,680 Wouldn't you have to go to court for arbitration? 634 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,680 No courts a different avenue. 635 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,000 But it's very easy to actually file a complaint, an ethics complaint with the university, which 636 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000 I was trying to look up. 637 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000 See if he did it. 638 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800 Like he wants to apparently he sued Fox. 639 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,800 I'm just learning this now. 640 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,240 He would put it in this fucking report if you wanted to. 641 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,240 But I just learned this. 642 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:19,960 Is everything else is fucking in here. 643 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,520 He sued Fox News in 2020. 644 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,520 What? 645 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,280 Stephen Greer sued Fox News in 2020. 646 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,080 I just learned this because I was trying to find if he filed an ethics complaint with 647 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080 the university. 648 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,240 I don't know what to do with that information. 649 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,400 It might be a follow up. 650 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,440 Next one launch a full I lost count. 651 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,800 I was numbering these by the way he has them bullet point launch a full and impartial investigation 652 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:48,160 headed by competent scientists knowledgeable in sequencing DNA from ancient or old samples 653 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,760 to document where the scientific method broke down. 654 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,920 Next launch a full and partial investigation to determine if there was a corruption by 655 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,800 financial interest governmental and national security interests and the media. 656 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,720 Next a full report on who funded the Nolan study and if any state or federal funds personal 657 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,360 equipment etc were involved. 658 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:16,040 I should also note that two renowned PhD genetic experts have spoken to me and stated emphatically 659 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,160 that they offered their help to Nolan to do the study properly and that he refused their 660 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,160 assistance. 661 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,400 One of these scientists at the time headed up a company that did state of the art reference 662 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,440 free DNA sequencing offered his company services to Nolan. 663 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,440 He refused. 664 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,440 Sorry. 665 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,200 I am at a loss there. 666 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,360 People contacted him and said hey you're probably going to screw this up. 667 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,840 Can we help Nolan? 668 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,840 Yeah. 669 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,840 Okay. 670 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,840 Yeah. 671 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,440 And then they put the person's name in there who offered their help which again he hates 672 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440 details. 673 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,440 That's his friend. 674 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,440 Yeah. 675 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:56,760 But also he's saying hey your university probably has shit equipment come use our company's 676 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,960 equipment for what I'm assuming isn't just going to be out of the goodness of his heart. 677 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,520 And he probably didn't even say his name. 678 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,680 He was probably like hey I'm Stephen Gruse friend. 679 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Yeah. 680 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,680 Want to come use my equipment. 681 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,680 I told him a name. 682 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,680 I'm just a friend. 683 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,280 Which you would be right to decline. 684 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,560 Both of these scientists have assured me that the study must have been corrupted from the 685 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,560 beginning. 686 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,680 Sense and competence at this level from Stanford and UCSF is simply not plausible. 687 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,840 I do not know. 688 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,280 We must get to the bottom of what happened. 689 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,680 How and why. 690 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,560 Ultimately we need to address what exactly is the Atacoma skeleton. 691 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040 That was such weird grammar in that sentence. 692 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,560 This Nolan study muddies the water and brings no scientific clarity to the question. 693 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,080 So we are back where we started when I first saw the specimen in 2009. 694 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,920 Unfortunately it is unlikely we will obtain another sample of the bone marrow DNA since 695 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,840 Nolan's behavior has so disgusted the owner of the specimen. 696 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,800 He wishes no further involvement. 697 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800 Isn't that convenient. 698 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,800 Who can blame him. 699 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,960 This Yasko has damaged my relationship with this person and others. 700 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,960 He's such a witty irreparably. 701 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:19,000 You blew your one and only chance. 702 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:25,320 You can't screw up any more than that. 703 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,960 So bad that he won't even give more DNA to prove that he was wrong. 704 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,240 If this skeleton represents a here to for unknown species. 705 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,160 I'm here to for. 706 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,960 He could really just said previously but he's in that kind of mood. 707 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,960 Yep he is. 708 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,680 We have lost a great deal to the advancement of science. 709 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:53,560 We lost our we could have had so many chances but you just did it so bad that was it. 710 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,560 We did it good it would have been unlimited chances. 711 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,160 I don't think I don't think unlimited. 712 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,480 See the skeletons only six inches. 713 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,480 But more than one. 714 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,120 See the owner of the skeleton is too pissed too. 715 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,680 We lost our only chance. 716 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,000 Okay never mind it was the only chance based on that. 717 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,160 Your review. 718 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960 These are all emails too. 719 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,680 They're not even just peer reviews. 720 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,680 They're emails. 721 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,280 Okay where's the next thing I wanted to discuss with you. 722 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,640 Dr. Lachman's letter and full report. 723 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,160 Here's Dr. Nolan's report. 724 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,880 Thank you very much for the opportunity to examine the radiographic images of the specimen. 725 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,240 I've examined in the course of my career many skeleton and other pediatric bone anomalies 726 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:49,480 and dysmorphias especially in the field of skeletal dysplasias and syndromes. 727 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,560 The specimen does not fall under any known to me class of disorders or syndromes as 728 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,240 I told you during our last meeting when I formally went over the images in preparation 729 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,800 for the formal report. 730 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,200 There's no known form of dwarfism and that accounts for all the anomalies seen in the 731 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,440 specimen. 732 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,080 Most interestingly based on knee epiphyseal standards the specimen appears to be six to 733 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,040 eight years of age. 734 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:20,760 While there remains a possibility this latter result is due to some form of unknown criteria. 735 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,960 The aging syndrome in my opinion this is a low probability. 736 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,800 This is the one that is on the documentary. 737 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,800 Yeah. 738 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,120 So this is where Stephen Greer gets that it's like a six to eight year old. 739 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,920 Yeah and crazy how studying it in a different way might give you a different conclusion. 740 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,320 Yeah so this is what we see they're looking at this document on the documentary clip where 741 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:50,680 it says definitely all the things that could be wrong with it are there as far as abnormalities. 742 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:57,520 So it just goes through like basically physically what it looks like thorax 10 ribs narrow thorax 743 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,880 with otherwise normal ribs elongated clavicles blah blah. 744 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,880 Email to Dr. Nolan. 745 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,120 Oh no it's not an angry email it's just about the Russian. 746 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,240 Oh what does it say it's about the Russian skeleton. 747 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:16,600 Begin forwarded message from Gary Nolan April 10 to Stephen Greer subject a very similar 748 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,720 specimen below. 749 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:24,680 I don't even know why these emails are in here from Aaron Simmons to Gary Nolan subject 750 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,960 read there's no subject on this one. 751 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:34,200 I just says nice the adjicam is specimen looks a bit like Alexis of kitsch Tim discovered 752 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,200 in 1996. 753 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,680 Here's the most informative account on Alexis that I found thought the English is poor. 754 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,680 It's a link. 755 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,320 The video at the end is a highlight. 756 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,040 I wonder if you'll get the opportunity to do deep sequencing on Alexis if this is due 757 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,840 to a rare mutation then having a second sample might reveal it. 758 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,840 Yes. 759 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:59,920 And I'm reading this because he includes some really weird things like this like just afforded 760 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:00,920 email. 761 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:07,280 Oh here's the you know how we said the senior CIA is acknowledgement that the stars are 762 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,280 okay. 763 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,280 Oh yeah. 764 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,280 Sorry. 765 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,280 Yeah. 766 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,280 It says sent from my iPhone. 767 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,400 Again forwarded message from he took out the email. 768 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,400 Of course. 769 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,560 Date December 31 to Steve Greer regarding subject with no alien DNA. 770 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,040 Hi Steve. 771 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,440 Glad to hear all is fine. 772 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,360 I have watched that rat pack run scams against the US government. 773 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,680 Looney billionaires and now average citizens keep up the good work. 774 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,080 That's literally that's how he knows. 775 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080 That's it. 776 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080 That's it. 777 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080 That's it. 778 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,080 Well that's how you know. 779 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,840 Then he has a whole thing in this document to the Scars Academy team and this is basically 780 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,120 what we went through when we did the two to stars episode. 781 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:59,440 So it just lists all the people into the stars and like where they come from and what their 782 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,960 title is within. 783 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:09,360 He just has this in this document which is just fricking weird and that's the document. 784 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,400 This is what he has on his web page that's easily accessible to everybody on. 785 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,600 Isn't that a weird document? 786 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,040 And he's just throwing to the stars under because Nolan's a part of them. 787 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,040 I don't know. 788 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,440 I just that's why I had to go through it. 789 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,760 I was just like what the fuck was that? 790 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,320 Oh man that's great. 791 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:33,240 And I think a pretty good example that our listeners can see of don't send an email when 792 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,920 you're angry. 793 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,520 Sit on it for at least a day. 794 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,720 At least save it as a draft and go back and edit it. 795 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:46,200 Yeah that's what I thought I would end up on. 796 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,520 Add as a really strange little alien being. 797 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:56,160 Widely not discredited because it is something. 798 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,320 It is agreed on that it is weird. 799 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,920 I think I don't think there's anybody who says yep just a normal fetus. 800 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:09,800 Yeah but I mean not everybody stumbles on to what is probably a miscarried fetus every 801 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,480 day and is looking at it in the eyes of I've found an alien being. 802 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,200 That also Chilly has asked for it to be returned. 803 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,440 Yes it said that it would. 804 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:27,760 Yeah and you're Stephen Inker is saying he lost his one and only DNA sample because one 805 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:35,800 never gets a chance to look at it again because it was so incompetently looked at. 806 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,400 Giving us all a new answer to what's the worst that could happen. 807 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,560 Yeah what is the worst that could happen. 808 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,680 Apparently what happened to Stephen Inker is the worst case scenario. 809 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,440 But yeah it's a funny story. 810 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,440 Ada. 811 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,520 Quite sad in the end if you look at it from the eyes of you know the Chilean government 812 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,280 trying to get it back because of how ethics were not followed very well given it. 813 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,000 But yeah kind of fuzzy. 814 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,600 Nobody really knows where it came from. 815 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,480 We know where it is right now. 816 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,160 And yeah then you just leave it with Stephen Greer. 817 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,400 And this is where I think that he's the only person pushing any narrative with it anymore. 818 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,080 And he doesn't talk about it that much anymore either. 819 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,120 It's more so it's just like I think it builds his rage. 820 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:29,040 And actually it gives some context of why he's calling to the stars out. 821 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,040 More than there was. 822 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,600 Yeah a little bit. 823 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,800 I quite enjoyed that that was in there. 824 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,520 And his fricking evidence of it with this one liner email where you don't even put 825 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,520 a name in it. 826 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,840 Like oh my god. 827 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,200 Oh no it would be weirder if he actually put a name in it Chelsea. 828 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,200 Yeah. 829 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,320 And I actually think. 830 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,600 I'm surprised that he puts that email in but he didn't put any of the emails saying well 831 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,960 maybe it was in the peer review. 832 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,600 Maybe those were his friends because I didn't actually read those with you. 833 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,360 But peer review I say that with air quotes around it. 834 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,840 But I was going to say oh the things where people were saying that it was so incompetently 835 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,240 done was not in there. 836 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:11,800 Maybe I just skipped over it though. 837 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,960 Yeah I was actually hoping. 838 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,240 The weirdest answer I think could have actually happened was when they were running those original 839 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,440 genetic tests and they started talking about the monkeys. 840 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,160 Even if it turned out it was a chimpanzee in the middle of Chile from the 70s. 841 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,880 But I could see him still being so focused on how it was incompetently done because it 842 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,680 was tied back to something on her. 843 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,480 Not the other implications of it. 844 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,760 And I'll be the first to admit that's why you're here on Journey to the Fringe. 845 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,400 It was a little all over the place with me explaining it. 846 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,040 But in the end we got to where we needed to. 847 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,680 We got the main course and it was served for cold I think. 848 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,840 No that wasn't revenge. 849 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,920 So it was served sassily. 850 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,600 They just chucked onto the table. 851 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920 And then the server left in the huff. 852 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,440 Yep he was pissed. 853 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,520 Do you have any closing thoughts? 854 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,880 I did enjoy this. 855 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,840 I do like that different angle on Steven Greer. 856 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,320 Because we alluded to that there's this like under the surface like rage that he has against 857 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,000 anybody who wrongs him. 858 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,040 And however he perceives it being wronged. 859 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,080 And I think that letter really shows that that is there. 860 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080 I know. 861 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,600 And I'm so glad that in the end I ended up reading it. 862 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,160 I tried to make AI read it and it wasn't doing a very good job. 863 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,880 So I went back and read it and I was like I just got to read this whole letter. 864 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,360 But it's a wonderful word. 865 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,360 It is. 866 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,320 It's truly some of his best work because we've seen his documentaries. 867 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,320 It was. 868 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,320 Yes. 869 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,600 Then I forgot to say that you had to imagine while I was reading it. 870 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:53,320 Imagine him sitting in the stool and the camera is on the floor and it's looking up at him. 871 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,280 And what is to be known as the worst camera angle in existence. 872 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,280 Yeah. 873 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,520 I actually think they copyrighted it after that because they came up with something special 874 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520 in that documentary. 875 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,520 The Greer. 876 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:12,520 But they quickly moved away from ever using again in the next documentaries. 877 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,760 You know what we better splurge and buy the tripod for the entire shoot. 878 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,640 Oh well thank you for that Chelsea. 879 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,880 He is a truly wonderful person to learn about in the worst way. 880 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,160 I hope we never have to cross pass with him. 881 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,480 We check the email fairly often so I'm just waiting when these episodes come out for the 882 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,280 cease and desist letter or for some some weird allusions to how there's podcasts out there 883 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,800 who are just evil and spiteful and paid off by the inner workings of the governments. 884 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,920 You know what I don't think we can get as worst case scenario was Adam. 885 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,400 He pulls everything. 886 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:57,200 Our episodes are so bad that he just removed his online presence. 887 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,560 There's nothing there anymore. 888 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,960 That is a great place to end. 889 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,320 I've been Taylor here with Chelsea. 890 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,800 We are Journey to the Fringe. 891 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,800 Thank you all for listening. 892 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,800 We'll see you next week. 893 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,800 Bye. 894 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:18,040 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 895 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:24,320 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe or follow depending 896 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,120 on what venue you are listening to us through. 897 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:33,560 Also please if possible leave 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